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Title: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on September 20, 2010, 12:25:35 PM
Since KY recently completed an I-69 guardrails project, and apparently has remainder of $51 million to "tweak" I-24 and parkways to interstate-grade in reasonably near future, I thought it might be a good time to start a "Kentucky only" I-69 construction progress thread.

Here's a link to a recent Evansville Courier-Post article regarding both the $51 million funding and the completion of the guardrails project: http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/sep/18/no-headline---18a04i-69/

Regarding the $51 million funding:

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another big step for the Kentucky portion of I-69 took place this spring when the state legislature included $51 million to "make tweaks to existing parkways within the corridor to conform to federal highway standards" when the project moves forward. In Kentucky, the highway will follow several existing highways, including I-24, the Western Kentucky, Purchase and Pennyrile parkways.


Regarding completion of the guardrail project:

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One example of the upgrades is the recent guardrail improvements made to the parkways, Hancock said. The guardrail projects on the Purchase, Western Kentucky and Pennyrile parkways were completed within the last few weeks, ahead of schedule, according to Kentucky Transportation Cabinet spokesman, Keith Todd.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: hbelkins on September 20, 2010, 02:41:48 PM
I wouldn't call this an I-69 project. A similar guardrail project is being done on the Mountain Parkway. They're trying to convert the end treatments to cushioned barriers and get away from the "Texas Twist" that has served in the past as a launching pad for cars that run upon the guardrail ends that are twisted and mounted flush with the ground.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: ShawnP on September 21, 2010, 09:02:23 PM
Speaking of the Mountain Parkway will Kentucky ever four lane it to Paintsville?
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: Grzrd on September 21, 2010, 11:27:17 PM
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/sep/18/no-headline---18a04i-69/

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"Obviously, our governments understand the important of this interstate project on Western Kentucky and the five states it will include," .... The superhighway is ultimately planned to run 1,250 miles through Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana and Texas.
 :confused:  :hmmm:
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: hbelkins on September 22, 2010, 10:47:29 AM
Speaking of the Mountain Parkway will Kentucky ever four lane it to Paintsville?

The section from Exit 43 to Exit 46 is being widened now. There's a planning study underway for the section from Exit 57 to Exit 75, and we held a public meeting for it last summer and presented some right of way alternates to the public. It will be a long process, for sure.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: Grzrd on September 24, 2010, 09:54:06 AM
Recent article in Princeton Times-Leader (http://www.timesleader.net/articles/stories/public/201009/22/0004SSUU_news.html) referred to I-69 projects "in various stages of completion".  Here is pertinent part of KYTC response to a request to provide specifics re projects "in various stages of completion":

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The “ongoing” work consists of: the design phase of interchange improvements at KY 109/Ford Parkway Interchange, a planning study on the Carroll Parkway to determine improvements needed to convert the parkway to I-69, several other projects will be advertised for design services in the near future. We do not have any projects scheduled for a letting  in the near future. Thank you for your interest in I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: hbelkins on September 24, 2010, 10:57:39 PM
Recent article in Princeton Times-Leader (http://www.timesleader.net/articles/stories/public/201009/22/0004SSUU_news.html) referred to I-69 projects "in various stages of completion".  Here is pertinent part of KYTC response to a request to provide specifics re projects "in various stages of completion":

"The “ongoing” work consists of: the design phase of interchange improvements at KY 109/Ford Parkway Interchange, a planning study on the Carroll Parkway to determine improvements needed to convert the parkway to I-69, several other projects will be advertised for design services in the near future. We do not have any projects scheduled for a letting  in the near future. Thank you for your interest in I-69."
Out of curiosity -- who was your response signed by?

Fixed a quote like Bob Vila fixed that old house.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: Grzrd on September 24, 2010, 11:08:36 PM
Out of curiosity -- who was your response signed by?
My email to the general KYTC "Contact Us" was forwarded directly to Ted Merryman, the I-69 Project Manager for Kentucky, and he was kind enough to give an incredibly prompt response.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: Grzrd on November 09, 2010, 09:32:46 AM
KYTC has completed a scoping study of I-69 from Eddyville to Fulton and will hold an informational meeting in Mayfield on Nov. 15 from 5:30 to 7:30: http://www.westkentuckystar.com/News/Local---Regional/Western-Kentucky/Transportation-Cabinet-to-Share-I-69-Study-Nov--15

Materials from that meeting will be available for 15 days after meeting in Paducah.  Looks like I-69 upgrades will be phased in gradually as maintenance projects.  Anticipated cost of upgrades: $1.5 million per mile.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: hbelkins on November 10, 2010, 10:06:53 PM
My email to the general KYTC "Contact Us" was forwarded directly to Ted Merryman, the I-69 Project Manager for Kentucky, and he was kind enough to give an incredibly prompt response.

I only know him in passing, but he's said to be a good guy.

I get a few of those "KYTC Comments" e-mails sent to me to handle every now and then. ;-)
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 10, 2010, 10:20:17 PM
So hb, in your personal opinion, when do you think KY will see it's first "official" I-69 shield posted and on what segment?

** Post #800!! :D **
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: ShawnP on November 11, 2010, 08:40:10 PM
Was in Evansville today and it appears that I-69 is moving along nicely. Laying concrete right now with mainlines done and working on shoulders. I can see the next section open by Spring or Summer of next year at latest. Congrats to INDOT for getting it done and not taking excuses and giving into certain groups.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: Grzrd on November 12, 2010, 08:04:24 AM
I get a few of those "KYTC Comments" e-mails sent to me to handle every now and then. ;-)
That was the only email I have ever sent to KYTC, I promise!  :sombrero:
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: hbelkins on November 12, 2010, 09:06:41 PM
So hb, in your personal opinion, when do you think KY will see it's first "official" I-69 shield posted and on what segment?

I don't think Kentucky will post it until it's completed, and that will require building a bridge across the Ohio River.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 13, 2010, 11:41:24 AM
I wonder what kind of configuration the current interchange where the Pennyrile Pkwy and Western KY Pkwy would look with I-69 going from one parkway to another?
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on November 13, 2010, 12:02:59 PM
I drive through that interchange several times per year following the Pennyrile Parkway.  It is currently a traditional cloverleaf interchange, having been opened in late 1963. At this time it seems adequate to handle current traffic demand without any trouble.

I have no way to know what KYTC will end up doing, but it is my suspicion that the loop that serves the eastbound to northbound movement will be replaced with a direct flyover ramp.  The current ramp that serves the soutbound to westbound movement may end up being widened but otherwise keep its same alignment.  Other than that I figure the rest of the interchange will remain as it is.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: hbelkins on November 13, 2010, 07:02:27 PM
I drive through that interchange several times per year following the Pennyrile Parkway.  It is currently a traditional cloverleaf interchange, having been opened in late 1963. At this time it seems adequate to handle current traffic demand without any trouble.

I have no way to know what KYTC will end up doing, but it is my suspicion that the loop that serves the eastbound to northbound movement will be replaced with a direct flyover ramp.  The current ramp that serves the soutbound to westbound movement may end up being widened but otherwise keep its same alignment.  Other than that I figure the rest of the interchange will remain as it is.

That would make sense to me. The I-24/Purchase Parkway interchange is also a cloverleaf and would probably get the same treatment.
Title: Re: I-69 KY; Construction Progress
Post by: Grzrd on December 12, 2010, 08:57:10 PM
KYTC has completed a scoping study of I-69 from Eddyville to Fulton and will hold an informational meeting in Mayfield on Nov. 15 ... Materials from that meeting will be available for 15 days after meeting in Paducah ...
I noticed that the Nov. 15 materials are now on the KYTC website: http://www.planning.kytc.ky.gov/projects/projects/I-69/I-69.asp
They hope to issue the final report in February, 2011.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on May 26, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
KYTC has completed a scoping study of I-69 from Eddyville to Fulton and will hold an informational meeting in Mayfield on Nov. 15 ... Materials from that meeting will be available for 15 days after meeting in Paducah ...
I noticed that the Nov. 15 materials are now on the KYTC website: http://www.planning.kytc.ky.gov/projects/projects/I-69/I-69.asp
They hope to issue the final report in February, 2011.
I get a few of those "KYTC Comments" e-mails sent to me to handle every now and then. ;-)

I recently emailed KYTC's Division of Planning to see if the final report might be issued in the near future.  R. Steven Ross was awarded the task of responding to my email (lucky for you, HB :D) and he replied as follows:

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The I-69 study from Eddyville to Fulton was originally scheduled to be complete by March.  Due to retirement and other circumstances, the project changed project managers a couple of times which has resulted in a delay.  A draft copy of the report is now being reviewed; we hope to have the final copy available in a few weeks.  When it is complete, an electronic copy will be made available on our web page.
The results of the study will be used to determine what improvements need to be made to the existing facilities (Purchase Parkway) to receive approval from the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) to sign it as an Interstate.  The improvements required by FHWA will be addressed as funding becomes available.
To my knowledge, the only active project along this corridor is the interchange reconstruction in Marshall County at the Purchase Parkway and KY 348.  It is currently in Phase II Design and will change the interchange from the tollbooth style interchange to a diamond interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 28, 2011, 01:28:34 AM
To my knowledge, the only active project along this corridor is the interchange reconstruction in Marshall County at the Purchase Parkway and KY 348.  It is currently in Phase II Design and will change the interchange from the tollbooth style interchange to a diamond interchange."

"Tollbooth style" = four loop ramps such as what would be found in a cloverleaf. The way they worked is that you moved to the right lane to pay the toll at a booth either under the bridge (or in the case of the KY 11 exit on the Mountain Parkway, on the bridge) and then exited. Incoming traffic looped around, yielded to traffic already on the parkway, paid the toll, then entered. You always told the attendant "getting on" or "getting off" so they'd know how much toll to charge you. You could also go through in those lanes because sometimes those lanes were the only two that were staffed if you needed change.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mightyace on May 28, 2011, 02:41:21 AM
You always told the attendant "getting on" or "getting off" so they'd know how much toll to charge you.

I never knew that.  But, I only may have gotten on once at a tollbooth exit.

But, it's a moot point now as all the tolls are gone.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: wriddle082 on May 31, 2011, 03:52:04 PM
You always told the attendant "getting on" or "getting off" so they'd know how much toll to charge you.

I never knew that.  But, I only may have gotten on once at a tollbooth exit.

But, it's a moot point now as all the tolls are gone.

Looks like Oklahoma still uses these types of toll exit setups as well:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Muskogee,+OK&aq=0&sll=35.823033,-96.435928&sspn=0.034449,0.077162&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Muskogee,+Oklahoma&ll=35.265927,-95.931029&spn=0.008672,0.01929&t=k&z=16
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Sykotyk on June 02, 2011, 08:40:20 PM
It really is the 'cheap and dirty' way of tolling the mainline and dealing with the on/off traffic. But, when you remove the tolls, they become extremely dangerous if not for their sheer remoteness to the world.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 02, 2011, 11:50:35 PM
It really is the 'cheap and dirty' way of tolling the mainline and dealing with the on/off traffic. But, when you remove the tolls, they become extremely dangerous if not for their sheer remoteness to the world.

They're not that dangerous. For the most part, those parkways are lightly traveled with not a high volume of traffic having to weave at the cloverleaves. Definitely not like a freeway-to-freeway cloverleaf like I-64 and I-265.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on June 03, 2011, 03:11:23 PM
I recently emailed KYTC's Division of Planning ... R. Steven Ross was awarded the task of responding to my email
I emailed Mr. Ross back and asked him if KYTC had thought about trying be included in the Texas I-69 legislation because upgrades to parkways will be relatively inexpensive to upgrade & could be done relatively soon ($$$ permitting), but completion of Ohio River bridge and Memphis to Union City sections are so far off that signage could be a problem.  My email got sent over to Ted Merryman, the I-69 Project Manager.  After reading his response, I realized I had overlooked the connections to I-24 as enabling signage :

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Congress passed H.R. 1195 in April 2008 which amended SAFETEA-LU. The bill designated Interstate 69 as the Ford Western Kentucky Parkway from I-24 to the Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway and the Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway from the Ford  Western Kentucky Parkway to Henderson.
The Cabinet is partnering with FHWA to develop an agreement for physical improvements to the parkways which will allow conversion into the Interstate System. We do not have to complete the Ohio River Bridge project prior to conversion.
EX.- There is a short section of I-69 in Mississippi.

Oh, well.  :banghead:

By the same token, I suppose US 59 in the Houston area could be signed immediately.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on September 01, 2011, 08:42:05 AM
I ... asked ... if KYTC had thought about trying be included in the Texas I-69 legislation because upgrades to parkways will be relatively inexpensive to upgrade & could be done relatively soon ($$$ permitting), but completion of Ohio River bridge and Memphis to Union City sections are so far off that signage could be a problem.  My email got sent over to Ted Merryman, the I-69 Project Manager.  After reading his response, I realized I had overlooked the connections to I-24 as enabling signage :
"Congress passed H.R. 1195 in April 2008 which amended SAFETEA-LU. The bill designated Interstate 69 as the Ford Western Kentucky Parkway from I-24 to the Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway and the Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway from the Ford  Western Kentucky Parkway to Henderson.
The Cabinet is partnering with FHWA to develop an agreement for physical improvements to the parkways which will allow conversion into the Interstate System. We do not have to complete the Ohio River Bridge project prior to conversion.
EX.- There is a short section of I-69 in Mississippi."
Oh, well.  :banghead: ...

Yesterday's announcement regarding I-69 signage in Kentucky is still based on the notion of being connected to I-24.  I think it would still make sense for the Kentucky delegation to insist on amendments to the Texas I-69 legislation (HR 1535) that would allow the Kentucky parkways to be included in that bill.  Doing so might accelerate I-69 signage in Kentucky and allow Kentucky to hit an I-69 home run far exceeding 55 miles.  Here is a link to an article describing how Kentucky is starting in the middle of the state and that the agreement with FHWA announced yesterday might serve as a model for getting I-69 signage on the Pennyrile and Breathitt Parkways:
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/sep/01/no-headline---ev_i69/

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Indiana has started building its portion of new Interstate 69 near Evansville and is moving north. Tennessee has started building its portion at the Kentucky state line and is heading south.
But it looks as though Kentucky will start work in the middle of its section of the Canada-to-Mexico highway.
Gov. Steve Beshear announced Wednesday that Kentucky soon will be permitted to install I-69 signs along the Western Kentucky Parkway as well as a short section of Interstate 24 near Eddyville.
That will mean a 55-mile stretch from Madisonville to near Kentucky Dam Village State Resort Park will bear the red, white and blue I-69 shield — the first in a series of efforts to extend the interstate across Western Kentucky.
“The first domino has fallen,” Henderson Chamber of Commerce President Brad Schneider said.
“For the average person, they need a tangible sign — pardon the pun — that I-69 can actually happen in Western Kentucky,” Schneider said. “We’ve been talking about and talking about this. … To see actual I-69 signs hung in Western Kentucky is a tremendous achievement.” ...
Aside from the moral victory of being permitted to hang I-69 signs along the Western Kentucky Parkway and I-24, Schneider said the agreement may pave the way for a future agreement to identify the Breathitt/Pennyrile Parkway as part of the I-69 corridor from Henderson to south of Madisonville.
Upgrading the Pennyrile will include completing the Kentucky 416 interchange at Robards in Henderson County and reconstructing the Kentucky 56 interchange at Sebree in Webster County to interstate standards.
Final phases will include upgrading the Purchase Parkway in far-Western Kentucky to reach the Tennessee border and the Henderson-Evansville bridge.

Here's a link to a summary of HR 1535:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:2:./temp/~bdhfHD:@@@D&summ2=m&

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SUMMARY AS OF:
4/14/2011--Introduced.

Amends the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 to include U.S. Route 83 from U.S. Route 281 to U.S. Route 77 as part of the high priority Lower Rio Grande Valley Corridor of the National Highway System in Texas.
Declares that the requirement of connection to an existing Interstate System segment shall not apply to segments of the Lower Rio Grande Valley Corridor or to the U.S. Route 59 Corridor from Laredo through Houston to near Texarkana, Texas.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 15, 2011, 09:37:07 PM
Someone on Google maps decided to put the I-69 signs
http://maps.google.com/?ll=37.429069,-87.503357&spn=0.845158,1.757813&t=m&z=10&vpsrc=6
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 15, 2011, 09:50:06 PM
Someone on Google maps decided to put the I-69 signs
http://maps.google.com/?ll=37.429069,-87.503357&spn=0.845158,1.757813&t=m&z=10&vpsrc=6

Google has been doing that for awhile on any "Future" Interstate that has the "Future Interstate Corridor" signage.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Anthony_JK on September 16, 2011, 12:22:15 AM
Gee....does that mean, then, that LA can now drop I-49 shields on the completed freeway segments of US 90 and automatically designate them as Interstates, too?? AWESOME...Lafayette now has its own "Cajun Breezwood"!! (Evangeline Thruway)  :sombrero: :sombrero: :sombrero:

And...I've seen no I-49 shields as of yet on US 90 segments in Google Maps or Google Earth..but it's been a while.


Anthony
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 16, 2011, 08:34:38 PM
AWESOME...Lafayette now has its own "Cajun Breezwood"!! (Evangeline Thruway)  :sombrero: :sombrero: :sombrero:
Anthony

I like the sound of that.  :-D :-P
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: ssummers72 on September 30, 2011, 05:56:41 PM
It appears Kentucky is going to sign I-69 according to this contract:

http://transportation.ky.gov/Construction-Procurement/Pages/lettings.aspx?letting=10/21/2011

Then select "Notice to Contractors"

See Call 200 for details.

It involves signing for I-69 along I-24 from the Purchase Parkway to the Western Kentucky Parkway, then along the Western Kentucky Parkway.

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: ssummers72 on October 20, 2011, 01:36:44 PM
It is official according to this article.
I-69 is going to be signed in Kentucky.
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/oct/18/i-69-unveiling/
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 20, 2011, 01:44:18 PM
will the shields have the state name on them?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on October 20, 2011, 10:34:59 PM
Our sorry excuse for a governor is holding a re-election campaign event sign unveiling ceremony next Tuesday. After that, Kentucky will have the third-most miles of I-69, following Michigan and Indiana.

Don't know if the signs have the state name on them or not, but I have heard that the sign assemblies will be "I-69, Formerly WK Parkway" so it appears as if the WK Parkway will be truncated to the Pennyrile Parkway interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 21, 2011, 02:46:50 AM
Don't know if the signs have the state name on them or not, but I have heard that the sign assemblies will be "I-69, Formerly WK Parkway" so it appears as if the WK Parkway will be truncated to the Pennyrile Parkway interchange.

Please let me know if the WK Parkway is officially truncated so I can update it on the CHM project correctly. ;)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on October 21, 2011, 07:31:40 AM
Don't know if the signs have the state name on them or not, but I have heard that the sign assemblies will be "I-69, Formerly WK Parkway" so it appears as if the WK Parkway will be truncated to the Pennyrile Parkway interchange.

I wonder what the sign below the I-69 shield will look like. That's almost worth a trip up there to find out. ;)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on October 21, 2011, 09:49:05 AM
Probably the existing shield. My guess is it will look similar to this:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6159/6182970874_5d70b68a55.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Alex on October 21, 2011, 11:31:22 AM
Don't know if the signs have the state name on them or not, but I have heard that the sign assemblies will be "I-69, Formerly WK Parkway" so it appears as if the WK Parkway will be truncated to the Pennyrile Parkway interchange.

I wonder what the sign below the I-69 shield will look like. That's almost worth a trip up there to find out. ;)

I am probably gonna do it as part of an AARoads trip somewhere.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on October 25, 2011, 05:54:54 PM
will the shields have the state name on them?
Here's a link to an article with some photos from the ceremony - no state name:
http://isurfhopkins.com/local/13407-beshear-says-i-69-is-now-on-the-kentucky-map.html
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 25, 2011, 06:14:53 PM
rats!

I know some districts in KY are going back to the state name but apparently this is not one of them.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 25, 2011, 07:25:26 PM
That looks like it might be a sign for a BGS.  I bet once we see some pictures of the shields on the highway itself, we'll see some state named I-69 signs.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on October 26, 2011, 07:31:56 AM
Here is the AASHTO report on the signing of I-69 in KY:

http://ballot.transportation.org/FileDownload.aspx?attachmentType=Item&ID=525
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on October 26, 2011, 10:33:54 AM
rats!

I know some districts in KY are going back to the state name but apparently this is not one of them.

This is I-24 country, and I have never seen a state-name I-24 shield.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on October 26, 2011, 05:43:54 PM
Here's a link to a TV news report with a good closeup of an in the field "SOUTH" I-69 no-state shield assembly next to a "FORMERLY WEST" "FORMERLY WESTERN KY PARKWAY ["Wendell H. Ford" is also above Western Ky Parkway] sign assembly (closeup is approximately at 1:55 mark):
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/ky-state-news/Beshear-Puts-I-69-On-The-Map-132568533.html

The "Kentucky Unbridled Spirit" logo is also at the bottom of the "Formerly" sign assembly
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on October 26, 2011, 06:45:31 PM
Anyone know for sure if the overlap with I-24 has been signed? The above link says "Eddyville to Nortonville" but 55 miles, which includes the I-24 overlap west of Eddyville.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 26, 2011, 08:48:30 PM
What I'm wondering is if they have changed any exit numbers yet.  Both I-69 and the Western KY Parkway will both need to be renumbered.  Plus, when they do approve I-69 South of I-24, they'll start running into duplicate numbers if they don't go ahead and change them on the new I-69 segment.  I mean, come on, they already know the route, the mileage for that section of I-69, so just put up the dang new exit #'s.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on October 27, 2011, 08:39:09 AM
Anyone know for sure if the overlap with I-24 has been signed? The above link says "Eddyville to Nortonville" but 55 miles, which includes the I-24 overlap west of Eddyville.

This article indicates that the overlap with I-24 has been signed:
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/oct/25/kentucky-gov-steve-beshear-unveils-i-69-signs/

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Under a gleaming October sky, Gov. Steve Beshear in essence saluted the red, white and blue on Tuesday afternoon.
It wasn’t the American flag — he was talking about the new Interstate 69 signs that have been placed along 55 miles of the Western Kentucky Parkway and Interstate 24 from just south of Madisonville to just past Eddyville.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on October 27, 2011, 10:52:31 AM
What I'm wondering is if they have changed any exit numbers yet.  Both I-69 and the Western KY Parkway will both need to be renumbered.  Plus, when they do approve I-69 South of I-24, they'll start running into duplicate numbers if they don't go ahead and change them on the new I-69 segment.  I mean, come on, they already know the route, the mileage for that section of I-69, so just put up the dang new exit #'s.

Did you mean I-24 would have to be renumbered instead of I-69?

My prediction is that I-24 will retain its exit numbers. The Purchase Parkway segment will be able to keep its exit numbers because no matter whether the route is Purchase Parkway or I-24, the numbering scheme will start at 0 at the Tennessee state line. There shouldn't be any exit number duplication between the I-69 Purchase Parkway exits and the 24-69 concurrency. And even if there is, it won't matter. The 64/75 concurrency has an Exit 113 in Lexington (based on 75's exit numbers) and I-64 has an Exit 113 just 30 miles east of Lexington at Mt. Sterling.

They'll have to change the exit numbers on the WK Parkway east of the Pennyrile, but that's no big deal since Kentucky uses demountable copy. They can just take a bucket truck and take the old numbers off the signs and bolt some new ones on.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 27, 2011, 07:45:46 PM
What I'm wondering is if they have changed any exit numbers yet.  Both I-69 and the Western KY Parkway will both need to be renumbered.  Plus, when they do approve I-69 South of I-24, they'll start running into duplicate numbers if they don't go ahead and change them on the new I-69 segment.  I mean, come on, they already know the route, the mileage for that section of I-69, so just put up the dang new exit #'s.

Did you mean I-24 would have to be renumbered instead of I-69?

No, I did mean I-69 in reference to the newly posted segment that's NOT part of I-24.

They'll have to change the exit numbers on the WK Parkway east of the Pennyrile, but that's no big deal since Kentucky uses demountable copy. They can just take a bucket truck and take the old numbers off the signs and bolt some new ones on.

Yeah, that's the section I was talking about.  That's the section that if it's using the old WKY Parkway's numbers, would have to be renumbered.  I'm just wondering when that will be happening (so I can do the I-69 file for the CHM project correctly).  If the numbers aren't going to be changed soon, I'll just use the WKY Parkway's numbers on the file for now.  I'll also use the old numbers for the remaining segment of the WKY Parkway if they aren't going to be changing them soon.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on October 27, 2011, 11:06:03 PM
If I hear anything, I will let you know. Someone posted a question about exit numbers on one of the KYTC district FB pages in that area, but I don't know if it got answered or not.

Exit numbers on the Natcher are changing as a result of that route's extension from I-65 to US 231. They are increasing by two. So Exit 1 becomes Exit 3, Exit 40 (hypothetical) becomes Exit 42.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 27, 2011, 11:20:59 PM
If I hear anything, I will let you know. Someone posted a question about exit numbers on one of the KYTC district FB pages in that area, but I don't know if it got answered or not.

Thanks HB.  Really appreciate it.  For now, I'll just use the current WKY Parkway exit numbers for the new I-69 segment and update the file when they do change the numbers.  Same with the WKY Parkway itself.

Exit numbers on the Natcher are changing as a result of that route's extension from I-65 to US 231. They are increasing by two. So Exit 1 becomes Exit 3, Exit 40 (hypothetical) becomes Exit 42.

You know,  I would have just gave the new SPUI @ KY-622 "Exit #0" since no exit number is needed for the intersection with US-231.  Then the highway wouldn't have had to have new numbers unless they are updating the mile markers as well.  If the mile markers are updated, might as well update the exit numbers to match.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on October 28, 2011, 11:31:20 AM

You know,  I would have just gave the new SPUI @ KY-622 "Exit #0" since no exit number is needed for the intersection with US-231.  Then the highway wouldn't have had to have new numbers unless they are updating the mile markers as well.  If the mile markers are updated, might as well update the exit numbers to match.

They are changing the mile markers.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Alex on November 08, 2011, 08:31:40 PM
I posted a photo we took yesterday of the first Interstate 69 southbound shield (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150389525827948&set=a.10150201857597948.328078.181045197947) on the AARoads at Facebook page last night.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on November 28, 2011, 07:48:51 AM
I drove the future I-69 stretches in KY yesterday. The only signage for I-69 in the field that I saw was along the Western Kentucky Pkwy, and those were just reassurance shields. None of the BGS's have been updated yet, but I assume this will happen soon. No shields have been installed along the Pennyrile Pkwy north of the Western KY Pkwy, nor were there any I-69 shields along its concurrence with I-24.

I noticed two areas that may need upgrading along the KY parkway system to incorporate it into I-69 besides the median width.

First is the interchange of the Purchase Pkwy with US 45 in Mayfield, KY: http://g.co/maps/3et9g
Currently to stay on the Purchase Pkwy both NB and SB requires a one-lane through movement.  This wasn't among the segments officially designated as I-69, but I suspect this interchange will need to be revised at some point.

The second is the short distance between Exits 44 and 45 in Madisonville along the Pennyrile Pkwy for KY 281 and US 41 north, respectively: http://g.co/maps/bd8sk
Even though it is a weaving section both NB and SB, the space is really tight there.

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 28, 2011, 10:37:56 AM
I drove the future I-69 stretches in KY yesterday. The only signage for I-69 in the field that I saw was along the Western Kentucky Pkwy, and those were just reassurance shields. None of the BGS's have been updated yet, but I assume this will happen soon. No shields have been installed along the Pennyrile Pkwy north of the Western KY Pkwy, nor were there any I-69 shields along its concurrence with I-24.

The Pennyrile hasn't gotten the designation yet, just the WK.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on January 19, 2012, 08:31:03 PM
I took a look at the 2012 Recommended Highway Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/program-Management/pages/2012-recommended-highway-plan.aspx) to see what's projected for I-69 from FY 2012 to FY 2018.

New Terrain: A baby step - 2012 Project Review to locate the I-69 alignment around Henderson from the Pennyrile Parkway to the Ohio River Crossing (page 54/136 of pdf; page 54 of document).  Nothing else scheduled through 2018.

Interchange Improvements: Pennyrile/KY 416 (2012-2013); Pennyrile/KY 56 (2014-15); I-69/W. Ky. Pkwy/Pennyrile Pkwy (2012); Pennyrile/Morton's Gap (2013-14); I-69/W Ky Pkwy/KY 109 (2012-13); Purchase Pkwy/Mayfield Bypass (2013-18); I-24/Purchase Pkwy (2013-17); Purchase Pkwy/KY 348 (2012-13).

Corridor Upgrade to Interstate Grade: 36.4 miles of Pennyrile between milepoints 37.0 and 73.4 (2014); Purchase Pkwy from MP 25 to MP 52 (2014-15).

EDIT

This article has a brief discussion of the I-69 projects: (http://www.wlky.com/r/30253099/detail.html)

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Following through on the agreement that brought an I-69 designation to western Kentucky, the governor’s plan allocates $146.6 million through 2018 for improvements in the corridor – mainly reconstruction of seven state parkway interchanges to bring them up to interstate highway standards. The interchanges are in Henderson, Webster, Hopkins, Marshall and Graves counties ...
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on January 31, 2012, 09:46:14 AM
I took a look at the 2012 Recommended Highway Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/program-Management/pages/2012-recommended-highway-plan.aspx) to see what's projected for I-69 from FY 2012 to FY 2018 ...
Interchange Improvements ... Purchase Pkwy/Mayfield Bypass (2013-18) ...

This article (http://murrayledger.com/news/construction-of-i--could-be-included-in-state-road/article_6c6bc26e-4b4b-11e1-9cc4-0019bb2963f4.html) indicates that there is current construction on the interchange at the Mayfield Bypass (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=36.73530455430877~-88.66815185546875&lvl=13&dir=0&sty=h&where1=Mayfield%2C%20KY&form=LMLTCC) with KY 80:

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KYTC Second District Engineer Kevin McClearn of the Department of Highways District One and Two offices in Paducah said state transportation officials are pressing the importance of the [I-69] project to the General Assembly and hope to have portions included in an approved six-year road plan .... “I-69 is important to this administration and our (KYTC) Commissioner Mike Hancock,” McClearn said .... An interchange is now under construction in Mayfield at the Mayfield bypass of Ky. 80.

Also, as previously posted on the "I-69 in TN" thread, the article indicates that KYTC and TDOT officials will meet soon to discuss the KY/TN state line (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fulton,+KY&hl=en&ll=36.499701,-88.898964&spn=0.066236,0.153637&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.435463,78.662109&oq=fulton+ky&hnear=Fulton,+Kentucky&t=h&z=13) connection:

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KYTC Second District Engineer Kevin McClearn of the Department of Highways District One and Two offices in Paducah ...  said the highway [I-69] will improve transportation, promote economic development and reduce congestion of highways ...  Some difficulty is expected at the Tennessee line where officials hope to connect with a major interchange near Fulton.
Burgeoning housing development in the area could cause complications ....
McClearn said both KTC and Tennessee Department of Transportation officials will likely meet soon to discuss details of how the roadway will connect with ongoing projects in the Volunteer State ...
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on January 31, 2012, 09:49:10 AM
I took a look at the 2012 Recommended Highway Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/program-Management/pages/2012-recommended-highway-plan.aspx) to see what's projected for I-69 from FY 2012 to FY 2018 ...
Interchange Improvements ... Purchase Pkwy/Mayfield Bypass (2013-18) with KY 80 ...

This article (http://murrayledger.com/news/construction-of-i--could-be-included-in-state-road/article_6c6bc26e-4b4b-11e1-9cc4-0019bb2963f4.html) indicates that there is current construction on the interchange at the Mayfield Bypass (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=36.73530455430877~-88.66815185546875&lvl=13&dir=0&sty=h&where1=Mayfield%2C%20KY&form=LMLTCC) with KY 80:

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KYTC Second District Engineer Kevin McClearn of the Department of Highways District One and Two offices in Paducah said state transportation officials are pressing the importance of the [I-69] project to the General Assembly and hope to have portions included in an approved six-year road plan .... “I-69 is important to this administration and our (KYTC) Commissioner Mike Hancock,” McClearn said .... An interchange is now under construction in Mayfield at the Mayfield bypass of Ky. 80.

Also, as previously posted on the "I-69 in TN" thread, the article indicates that KYTC and TDOT officials will soon meet to discuss the KY/TN state line (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fulton,+KY&hl=en&ll=36.499701,-88.898964&spn=0.066236,0.153637&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.435463,78.662109&oq=fulton+ky&hnear=Fulton,+Kentucky&t=h&z=13) connection:

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KYTC Second District Engineer Kevin McClearn of the Department of Highways District One and Two offices in Paducah ...  said the highway [I-69] will improve transportation, promote economic development and reduce congestion of highways ...  Some difficulty is expected at the Tennessee line where officials hope to connect with a major interchange near Fulton.
Burgeoning housing development in the area could cause complications ....
McClearn said both KTC and Tennessee Department of Transportation officials will likely meet soon to discuss details of how the roadway will connect with ongoing projects in the Volunteer State ...

I assume this is for a new alignment of KY 80 to bypass Mayfield and not the current KY 80 interchange
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on January 31, 2012, 11:04:39 AM
I assume this is for a new alignment of KY 80 to bypass Mayfield and not the current KY 80 interchange
It looks like the current project and the project referenced on page 45/136 of the Project Listing page of the 2012 Recommended Highway Plan  (http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Highway%20Plan/2012RecommendedProjectListing.pdf) are two separate projects and I mistakenly assumed they were one and the same (I corrected my above two most recent posts to delete "with KY 80" in regard to the recommended project).  :banghead:  The project referenced in the Plan is to :

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RECONSTRUCT JULIAN CARROLL PKWY INTERSECTION W/THE MAYFIELD BYPASS TO PROVIDE SUPERIOR THROUGH MOVEMENT TO THE PARKWAY. (I-69 CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT) [milepoints 20.9 to 21.9]

Exit numbers 21 and 21A can be seen in the Google Maps view of the interchange referenced in the Plan. (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=mayfield+ky&hl=en&ll=36.723888,-88.666105&spn=0.033022,0.076818&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.435463,78.662109&hnear=Mayfield,+Graves,+Kentucky&t=h&z=14)  I assumed that the current construction project regarding KY 80 was for an upgrade of the current Purchase/KY 80 interchange, but I do not know for sure.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on January 31, 2012, 12:05:46 PM
Correct. I was down in Mayfield over the weekend. The four-lane KY 80 right now ends at KY 464, the east/north bypass of Mayfield, with construction continuing on the south bypass which will be KY 80. This will tie into a hopefully reconstructed US 45 tie-in with the Purchase Parkway and Business US 45, which is a mess.

The US 45 bypass of Mayfield was completed in 1961 from US 45 south of the city to US 45 north of the city. The rest of the Purchase Parkway was generally completed in 1967-68. The Mayfield bypass is terrible, with a curbed median and zero acceleration/deceleration lanes. The other segments of the parkway are about 600', which is not up to interstate standard.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 31, 2012, 09:57:21 PM
I thought that bypass was KY 121. Last time I was in Mayfield, KY 80 pretty much ended at the KY 121/KY 97/Business KY 121 intersection, then "To KY 80" was signed on KY 58 inside the bypass to downtown, where 58 joined 45 and 80 ran westward.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on February 18, 2012, 10:52:03 AM
To combine the US 641 and I-69 subjects, I have never disagreed with the decision to route I-69 in Kentucky along the WK and Pennyrile parkways. The most direct route from Paducah to Henderson is US 60, not I-24 and the parkways. There have been a few upgrades to US 60 in the western part of the state, and completion of this improved US 641 would probably mean the shortest way to get to Evansville/Henderson from Paducah would be to take this new US 641 up to US 60 and then US 60 northeast. I haven't run a mileage comparison, but I'd think the all-parkway routing would be significantly longer.
It reminds me of the "new terrain vs. US 41/I-70" debate in Indiana.
(above quote from "US 641" (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6168.0) thread on Ohio Valley page)
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Interstate 69 will follow the Purchase Parkway until its end at Interstate 24. Between 1991 and 1999, it appeared as if Interstate 69 would be constructed on a new alignment from the parkway terminus northeast to Henderson, Kentucky. However, in May 1999, the state of Kentucky announced that Interstate 69 would follow the existing Wendell Ford/Western Kentucky Parkway and Breathitt/Pennyrile Parkway (Segment 5, from Eddyville to Nortonville, and Nortonville to Henderson).
(above quote from Interstate-Guide's Interstate 69 page (http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-069.html))
In case you missed the live streaming last night and want some weekend viewing, the I-69: Are We There Yet? documentary may be seen here. (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/special-features/i-69-are-we-there-yet/)  The documentary itself is about one hour and Q & A with the panelists afterwards is about thirty minutes.
(above quote from "Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana" (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.100) thread on Ohio Valley page)

HB,  I really like your comparison to the situation in Indiana.  Did CARR and the Tokarskis try to influence Kentucky's decision to go with the parkways, or have they restricted their efforts to Indiana?  From what I can tell, Kentucky did not have anything similar to the "Washington, Indiana to Washington, D.C. Connection" to push for new terrain construction, and it seems like Kentucky was able to go with the economically sensible parkway solution.

Also, did studies for the new terrain construction ever advance to the point where maps for alternative routes might have been developed?  If so, do you know if they are accessible on the internet?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 18, 2012, 05:37:22 PM
Actually, that was a typo. I need to go back and fix it. I have never AGREED with the decision to route I-69 along the parkways. I supported a new terrain route from Paducah to Henderson, paralleling US 60.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on February 18, 2012, 06:45:26 PM
The most direct route from Paducah to Henderson is US 60, not I-24 and the parkways. There have been a few upgrades to US 60 in the western part of the state, and completion of this improved US 641 would probably mean the shortest way to get to Evansville/Henderson from Paducah would be to take this new US 641 up to US 60 and then US 60 northeast.
(above quote from "US 641" (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6168.0) thread on Ohio Valley page)
I supported a new terrain route from Paducah to Henderson, paralleling US 60.

The article about the US 641 upgrade (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/feb/15/route-to-lake-barkley-improving/) indicates that a lot of Hendersonians already use the two-lane version of US 60 and US 641 to get from Henderson to Eddyville and Lake Barkley (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=henderson+ky&hl=en&ll=37.509726,-87.849426&spn=1.359512,2.458191&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=43.25835,78.662109&hnear=Henderson,+Kentucky&t=h&z=9):

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Taking the Pennyrile and Western Kentucky parkways from Henderson to Eddyville covers approximately 84 miles; some Hendersonians take a more direct two-lane route using U.S. 60 and U.S. 641 that shaves about 13 miles off the trip.

I suppose even more people will shun the parkways/I-69 route when the US 641 four-laning is completed.  It is an interesting contrast to Indiana's decision to go with the more direct new terrain routing.

EDIT

If I read this article (http://www.kentuckynewera.com/web/news/article_b6b73152-58d2-11e1-97b4-001871e3ce6c.html) correctly, the four-laning of US 641 will be a new terrain project:

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The governor did not visit the primary site of construction in Crayne, but instead made his remarks christening the four-lane road after touching down in a state helicopter and traveling to the Ed-Tech Center in Marion. The center is about a mile from where the new U.S. 641 will tie into the existing corridor.

Although I realize that a new terrain expressway is much less expensive than a new terrain interstate-grade freeway, I still find it ironic that the US 641 project is a new terrain project.  :eyebrow:
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on February 20, 2012, 06:50:01 AM
On Saturday morning, I drove the old Western Kentucky Parkway section that was recently designated as I-69.  As has been mentioned here before, there is no advanced signage on any other road that you are approaching I-69 (with one exception).  All of the trailblazers and overhead signs still say Western Kentucky Parkway alone.  The only exception appears to be at the US 62/Eddyville exit, where there actually were I-69 trailblazer signs.  Why there, I am not sure, unless the ceremony took place at that interchange.

Along I-69 itself, the confirmation signs are all small (24" I suppose), with the old WK parkway signs beside them with "Formerly" above each, with the exception at the Eddyville exit and beginning from I-24 where small I-69 signs are by themselves.  No mile markers have been changed, or have any exit numbers been changed.

So it looks like that for now, the I-69 designation was done "on the cheap", with only a half-hearted effort to redesignate the roadway in the field.

I suppose at some point the rest of the signage will be updated.  It may happen after sections of the roadway are upgraded to interstate standards, or after other sections have been designated as well.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on February 20, 2012, 11:56:54 AM
Not really surprised; the designation was mainly a publicity stunt anyways.  They'll probably replace signage as it wears out.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 20, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
do any of the signs have the state name?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Great Whamini on February 20, 2012, 06:46:12 PM
With all these small towns slated to get new US 60 bypasses, they may as well prep the terrain for a possible new terrain I-69.  But I guess renaming the parkways was the path of least resistance.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on February 20, 2012, 07:58:22 PM
No I-69 signs had the state name, they were all neutered.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 20, 2012, 08:00:19 PM
No I-69 signs had the state name, they were all neutered.

penis crap.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on February 20, 2012, 08:01:32 PM
In reference to a new terrain route, you would probably have to wait another 20-30 years at least before such a route could be constructed due to lack of funding in Kentucky, notwithstanding all of the environmental crap that would have to be dealt with as well as the opposition that it would generate.  Be thankful the parkways already exist for use as a basis for an I-69 in Kentucky.  It is bad enough that it will take Kentucky years to have the money to buid a few miles of new freeway to connect with the proposed Ohio River bridge at Henderson.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Great Whamini on February 20, 2012, 11:09:50 PM
In reference to a new terrain route, you would probably have to wait another 20-30 years at least before such a route could be constructed due to lack of funding in Kentucky, notwithstanding all of the environmental crap that would have to be dealt with as well as the opposition that it would generate.  Be thankful the parkways already exist for use as a basis for an I-69 in Kentucky.  It is bad enough that it will take Kentucky years to have the money to buid a few miles of new freeway to connect with the proposed Ohio River bridge at Henderson.
I understand Evv/Hen bridge won't begin before the new I-65 (265?) bridge east of Louisville is complete.  I'm glad I found this forum because I want to stay appraised on the status of that bridge.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on February 21, 2012, 06:36:33 AM
The Brent Spence (I-75) bridge in Cinncinatti/Covington may come before I-69 as well.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on February 21, 2012, 01:32:48 PM
Out of curiosity, would it be any cheaper just to upgrade the current US 41 from Henderson toward Interstate 164 and grade seperate everything along US 41 through that stretch north of US 60 with a series of frontage roads along the side with some slip ramps and then just use the current bridges, and rebuild one span at a time, with an interchange for Ellis Park on the northern side of the river. Or is the new terrain and new bridge route better?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 21, 2012, 01:44:38 PM
Out of curiosity, would it be any cheaper just to upgrade the current US 41 from Henderson toward Interstate 164 and grade seperate everything along US 41 through that stretch north of US 60 with a series of frontage roads along the side with some slip ramps and then just use the current bridges, and rebuild one span at a time, with an interchange for Ellis Park on the northern side of the river. Or is the new terrain and new bridge route better?

That would be a major cluster-foxtrot. Plus the US 60 interchange would have to be rebuilt since the mainline drops to one lane for a short distance there.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on February 21, 2012, 07:25:40 PM
My firm was a subconsultant to the study that was done for the new I-69 bridge.  As I recall the two primary reasons not to use there existing bridge were cost and traffic.  One of the alternatives evaluated is what was described above.  The section of US 41 between the bridge and  US 60 is extremely densly developed and would cost a fortune to convert into a freeway, even with frontage roads on the outside.  The RW impacts would be huge.

The other issue is traffic.  The existing twin spans are already heavily traveled.  Adding I-69 traffic to them would overload them.  They could use an extra bridge even now.  As somebody who had either lived in Evansville or had one or  both parents living them since 1967 when I was age 10, I can testify to the superiority of a new alignment alternative.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on February 21, 2012, 09:31:22 PM
Okay, just asking. I figured the current alignment wouldn't work, I just wanted to know if that was the correct assessment or not.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: ShawnP on February 22, 2012, 08:45:26 AM
Having lived in Bowling Green and traveled to the St. Louis area alot. That US-41 was a nightmare slowdown and I-164 was a great thing (went that even with the extra miles involved) to avoid those dang lights in Evansville. Henderson has boomed and their side with lights is now just as bad.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on March 06, 2012, 09:30:12 PM
So it looks like that for now, the I-69 designation was done "on the cheap", with only a half-hearted effort to redesignate the roadway in the field.
I suppose at some point the rest of the signage will be updated.

This article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/mar/06/i-69-improvements-begin-on-western-ky-parkway/) indicates that more permanent I-69 signage is now being installed:

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... a contractor for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet has started installing permanent I-69 signs along the route, beginning with the pouring of concrete anchors for the new signs.
The contractor, Westate Construction Inc. of Hopkinsville, is starting at the WK Parkway (WKP) interchange with the Pennyrile Parkway near Madisonville and will be moving westward. Minimal traffic disruptions are expected.
New signs will also be placed along 16 miles of the existing I-24 near Eddyville that will double as a portion of I-69 ....
Plans call for the Pennyrile Parkway to be eventually designated as I-69 from Madisonville to Henderson. However, the state's I-69 coordinator, Ted Merryman, said last fall that he doesn't expect that the Federal Highway Administration will permit interstate signs to go up along the Pennyrile until improvements — including rebuilding the Sebree/Kentucky 56 interchange and completing the Robards/Kentucky 416 interchange — are actually completed sometime in the future ....
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on March 06, 2012, 09:53:03 PM
So it looks like that for now, the I-69 designation was done "on the cheap", with only a half-hearted effort to redesignate the roadway in the field.
I suppose at some point the rest of the signage will be updated.

This article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/mar/06/i-69-improvements-begin-on-western-ky-parkway/) indicates that more permanent I-69 signage is now being installed:

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... a contractor for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet has started installing permanent I-69 signs along the route, beginning with the pouring of concrete anchors for the new signs.
The contractor, Westate Construction Inc. of Hopkinsville, is starting at the WK Parkway (WKP) interchange with the Pennyrile Parkway near Madisonville and will be moving westward. Minimal traffic disruptions are expected.
New signs will also be placed along 16 miles of the existing I-24 near Eddyville that will double as a portion of I-69 ....
Plans call for the Pennyrile Parkway to be eventually designated as I-69 from Madisonville to Henderson. However, the state's I-69 coordinator, Ted Merryman, said last fall that he doesn't expect that the Federal Highway Administration will permit interstate signs to go up along the Pennyrile until improvements — including rebuilding the Sebree/Kentucky 56 interchange and completing the Robards/Kentucky 416 interchange — are actually completed sometime in the future ....


I don't understand why the substandard WK was allowed to be designated but the substandard Pennyrile wasn't.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on March 07, 2012, 11:50:38 AM
My guess is the cloverleaf between the two parkways.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on March 07, 2012, 11:52:47 AM
^^ My guess is Exits 44 and 45 on the Pennyrile and how close they are to each other.  The cloverleaf may have something to do with it too, though.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on March 07, 2012, 12:09:33 PM
From what I have read, the reason the WK parkway segment was designated I-69 first is because the is a project to be constructed this year that will eliminate certain substandard features of the roadway.  That was part of the agreement with the Feds that allowed the designation.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on April 07, 2012, 09:51:24 PM
From what I have read, the reason the WK parkway segment was designated I-69 first is because the is a project to be constructed this year that will eliminate certain substandard features of the roadway.  That was part of the agreement with the Feds that allowed the designation.

The construction work mentioned above is scheduled to begin on Monday, April 9 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/apr/06/parkway-work-on-1-69-set-monday/):

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Motorists traveling toward Lake Barkley along Interstate 69/Western Kentucky Parkway will see more evidence of work to upgrade the roadway to federal interstate standards, according to the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet.
A contractor will restrict traffic to one lane at two locations in Caldwell County starting Monday.
Traffic will be restricted to one lane in both directions between the 4- and 7-mile markers in Caldwell County to allow drainage work in the median. All traffic will be moved to the right-hand or driving lane in this work zone.
Also, westbound traffic will move to the left-hand passing lane between the 10- and 9-mile markers to allow drainage work along the right of way.
Work at these sites is expected to take just more than a week, weather permitting, according to the cabinet.
These projects are in addition to the installation of new I-69 signs that began earlier this year.These work zones are among several that will be required through the summer construction season as part of a $9.9 million project to bring the section of former parkway up to interstate standards. Other improvements will include lengthening on/off ramps and raising bridges to meet clearance requirements.
The Federal Highway Administration authorized the state to redesignate the portion of the Western Kentucky Parkway as I-69 between the Pennyrile Parkway interchange and I-24 near Eddyville provided it undertakes a series of roadway improvements ....
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on May 11, 2012, 10:45:10 AM
This article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/mar/06/i-69-improvements-begin-on-western-ky-parkway/) indicates that more permanent I-69 signage is now being installed:
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... a contractor for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet has started installing permanent I-69 signs along the route, beginning with the pouring of concrete anchors for the new signs.
The contractor, Westate Construction Inc. of Hopkinsville, is starting at the WK Parkway (WKP) interchange with the Pennyrile Parkway near Madisonville and will be moving westward. Minimal traffic disruptions are expected.
New signs will also be placed along 16 miles of the existing I-24 near Eddyville that will double as a portion of I-69 ....

This article (http://westkentuckystar.com/News/Local-Regional/Western-Kentucky/Part-of-KY-2619-Closing-for-Bridge-Work-May-14.aspx) indicates that the installation of I-69 signage is proceeding on schedule and that, as part of the upgrade to interstate standard, the project involving the teardown of the current KY 2619 bridge and construction of a new KY 2619 bridge will begin on May 14:

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A contractor for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet plans to close KY 2619/White School Road in Caldwell County at the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway overpass starting Monday, May 14.
This closure at mile point zero is to facilitate removal of the existing overpass and construction of a new bridge at the site. The road will be closed between Board Road and KY 2612. This work will include some lane restrictions and shifts for traffic on Interstate 69/The Western Kentucky Parkway as the work progresses. Motorists should be alert for this work zone at mile point 20 on I-69/The Western Kentucky Parkway. This is part of ongoing work along Interstate 69/The Western Kentucky Parkway between Eddyville and the Pennyrile Parkway Interchange required to meet Interstate highway standards ....
Additionally, motorists are advised to be alert for sign crews working at various locations along this route.
These work zones are among several that will be required through the summer construction season as part of a $9.9 million project to bring this section of former Western Kentucky Parkway up to federal standards for interstate.


Slow but steady progress ...
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on May 17, 2012, 09:08:02 PM
I just noticed that KYTC has posted the I-69 Strategic Planning Corridor Study For Purchase Parkway and Interstate 24 (December 2011) (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Strategic%20Planning%20Corridor%20Study_Overview%20of%20Existing%20Conditions%20_Final%20Draft-2.pdf).  Part of the Summary and Conclusion is as follows (pages 9-6 to 9-7 of document; pages 117-118/402 of pdf):

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Based on the findings of this study, it can generally be concluded that the Purchase Parkway is currently providing motorists efficient and safe travel from US 51 in Tennessee to I-24 with operating conditions similar to an interstate. There would be minimal to no impact to the operating characteristics of the Purchase Parkway in the near future if it was designated as I-69 under the current conditions. The operation characteristics of the I-69 corridor would not be expected to be altered until more sections of I-69 are completed across the country especially in Tennessee and Indiana .... Intuitively, there may be sections of interstate in Kentucky and around the United States that do not meet the current design standards. Some design features on these other interstates may be very similar to the existing design features on the Purchase Parkway. Based on the impact to other sections of Parkways that are designated as future interstate corridors and existing interstates with similar design feature deficiencies, designation of the Purchase Parkway as I-69 under the Parkway’s existing conditions appears realistic .... The Necessary Upgrades and Spot Safety Improvement alternative includes upgrading the Purchase Parkway to meet all current interstate standards but with design exceptions/variances .... In general, improvements related to bridge deficiencies, Mayfield Bypass median, interchange acceleration and deceleration lanes, and toll plaza interchange improvements are recommended. It is also recommended that initially, minimal improvements should be made to the Purchase Parkway and I-24 interchange and US 45 interchange in Mayfield ...

It looks like the strategy is to steadily implement improvements as increased traffic warrants.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on May 25, 2012, 08:48:46 AM
I suspect that, in this article (http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=70821), a reporter slightly misreported comments from a KYTC representative about construction costs for I-69. I think the KYTC rep probably said that the cost of completing the parkways to interstate grade (excluding the Ohio River bridge and new terrain construction near Henderson) is $400 million;

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In Kentucky, there are three segments of I-69 that extend through the western end of the state, according to Jim LeFevre of the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet.
“We’ve got really good news from Kentucky,” LeFevre told the more than 40 officials from across the region who turned out for Wednesday’s meeting. “What’s happening in Kentucky is good news.”
He went on to say the parkway system through West Kentucky has officially been designated as the I-69 corridor through the state.
LeFevre said there are about $150 million in road projects, connected to I-69, planned in West Kentucky.
“We think we’re making progress,” he said at the meeting.
Two other key updates were presented by LeFevre — the Kentucky Legislature recently approved a six-year highway plan and he said the cost to upgrade six bridges along the I-69 route through West Kentucky is estimated at $400 million.
(bold emphasis supplied by me)

They reported; you decide ...
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on June 14, 2012, 06:18:36 PM
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Motorists traveling toward Lake Barkley along Interstate 69/Western Kentucky Parkway will see more evidence of work to upgrade the roadway to federal interstate standards, according to the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet .... These work zones are among several that will be required through the summer construction season as part of a $9.9 million project to bring the section of former parkway up to interstate standards. Other improvements will include lengthening on/off ramps and raising bridges to meet clearance requirements.
The Federal Highway Administration authorized the state to redesignate the portion of the Western Kentucky Parkway as I-69 between the Pennyrile Parkway interchange and I-24 near Eddyville provided it undertakes a series of roadway improvements ....

This article (http://westkentuckystar.com/News/Local-Regional/Western-Kentucky/Lane-Restriction-at-I-24-I-69-Interchange.aspx) indicates that an exit ramp on the I-69 Western Kentucky Parkway/I-24 interchange is being lengthened and widened:

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A contractor for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet plans has restricted traffic to one lane on Interstate 24 westbound at the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway Interchange in Lyon County.
This work zone is to allow the southbound/westbound exit ramp from I-69/WK Pkwy to westbound Interstate 24 to be lengthened and widened.
All westbound I-24 traffic will move to the left-hand lane as they approach the Exit 42 Interchange. This work zone includes restrictions for southbound/westbound traffic on the I-69/WK Pkwy Exit ramp to I-24 westbound ....
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: kharvey10 on June 24, 2012, 10:50:54 PM
KY hasn't even bothered signing I-69 on that sixteen mile section of I-24, in fact there is not a single reference at the interchange with WKY Parkway.  The locals don't bother referring it as I-69 anyway, and they will still treat the WKY Parkway portion as eastbound/westbound 69 even if they did.
Title: 70 MPH Coming Soon to I-69 in Kentucky?
Post by: Grzrd on July 09, 2012, 08:23:04 AM
This July 9 report (http://www.fox19.com/story/18977846/govenor-beshear-signs-150-bills-into-ky-law) indicates that many new laws will go into effect in Kentucky this week, including one that will authorize KYTC to increase the I-69 speed limit to 70:

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A lengthy list of new laws will go into effect this week .... Governor Steve Beshear signed about 150 bills into law earlier this year including ....  Speed limits. HB 439 will allow the Transportation Cabinet to increase the speed limit on I-69 in Western Kentucky to 70 miles per hour.

Also, Kentucky's gas tax increased on July 1, but the math regarding it in the report is open to question:

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On July 1st, the state's gas tax increased 2.1 cents per gallon, meaning motorist will be paying nearly 30 more cents for each gallon they purchase.
  :hmm:
Title: Re: 70 MPH Coming Soon to I-69 in Kentucky?
Post by: hbelkins on July 09, 2012, 11:48:22 AM
This July 9 report (http://www.fox19.com/story/18977846/govenor-beshear-signs-150-bills-into-ky-law) indicates that many new laws will go into effect in Kentucky this week, including one that will authorize KYTC to increase the I-69 speed limit to 70:

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A lengthy list of new laws will go into effect this week .... Governor Steve Beshear signed about 150 bills into law earlier this year including ....  Speed limits. HB 439 will allow the Transportation Cabinet to increase the speed limit on I-69 in Western Kentucky to 70 miles per hour.

I don't understand this. The speed limit on the WK Parkway was already 70, as well as the Pennyrile portion that will become I-69 later on.
Title: Re: 70 MPH Coming Soon to I-69 in Kentucky?
Post by: Grzrd on July 09, 2012, 12:54:38 PM
I don't understand this. The speed limit on the WK Parkway was already 70, as well as the Pennyrile portion that will become I-69 later on.

HB 439 (http://www.mygov365.com/legislation/view/id/4f474b0649e51bcf7ac70100/tab/overview/) adds I-69 to the list of highways that can be signed as 70:

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HB 439
AN ACT relating to speed limits on interstate highways. Amend KRS 189.390 to add the entire length of Interstate 69 to the list of roads where the Secretary of the Transportation Cabinet can increase the speed limit to 70 miles per hour.

KRS 189.390 (http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/krs/189-00/390.PDF) already includes the Western Kentucky and Pennyrile Parkways:

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... the secretary may increase the speed limit on any of the following segments of highway to seventy (70) miles per hour:
1. Interstate 24 (entire length);
2. Interstate 64 from Interstate 264 to the West Virginia state line;
3. Interstate 65 from Interstate 264 to the Tennessee state line;
4. Interstate 71 from Interstate 264 to Interstate 275;
5. Interstate 75 from the Tennessee state line to Interstate 275;
6. The Audubon Parkway (entire length);
7. The Julian M. Carroll Purchase Parkway (entire length);
8. The Bert T. Combs Mountain Parkway from Interstate 64 to the beginning of the Mountain Parkway Extension (KY 9009) in Wolfe County;
9. The Edward T. Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway (entire length);
10. The Wendell H. Ford Western Kentucky Parkway (entire length)
;
11. The Louie B. Nunn Cumberland Parkway (entire length);
12. The Martha Layne Collins Bluegrass Parkway (entire length); and
13. The William H. Natcher Parkway (entire length).

I'm guessing that, either the Legislature was being thorough enough to include future new terrain segments of I-69, or the Western Kentucky Parkway was truncated when I-69 received its designation, which created the need for the addition of I-69.

EDIT

I'm guessing that the Western Kentucky Parkway was truncated, which created the need to include I-69 as a 70 mph zone:

Don't know if the signs have the state name on them or not, but I have heard that the sign assemblies will be "I-69, Formerly WK Parkway" so it appears as if the WK Parkway will be truncated to the Pennyrile Parkway interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Alps on July 09, 2012, 06:36:14 PM

I'm guessing that the Western Kentucky Parkway was truncated, which created the need to include I-69 as a 70 mph zone:

Don't know if the signs have the state name on them or not, but I have heard that the sign assemblies will be "I-69, Formerly WK Parkway" so it appears as if the WK Parkway will be truncated to the Pennyrile Parkway interchange.
A few signs say "Formerly," but a majority of signs have yet to be changed over, including I-24 advance signs in either direction. It's coming, though.
Title: Construction of I-69 Ramp to I-24 Completed
Post by: mukade on September 08, 2012, 08:50:47 AM
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The development of an Interstate-69 corridor in western Kentucky took another step forward Friday with the opening of an extended and widened ramp connecting I-69 southbound lanes to I-24 westbound lanes in Lyon County...

Construction of I-69 Ramp to I-24 Completed (http://www.westkentuckystar.com/News/Local-Regional/Western-Kentucky/Construction-of-I-69-Ramp-to-I-24-Completed.aspx) (West Kentucky Star)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Henry on September 08, 2012, 12:18:08 PM
So we could have a direct Interstate connection from Memphis to Indianapolis sooner than we think? Good for them!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on September 09, 2012, 11:39:55 AM
That's on the part that's already designated.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on September 11, 2012, 07:53:18 AM
So we could have a direct Interstate connection from Memphis to Indianapolis sooner than we think? Good for them!

That pesky Ohio River bridge may hold that back, as well as the lack of progress in TN.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on October 24, 2012, 10:56:18 AM
This article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/mar/06/i-69-improvements-begin-on-western-ky-parkway/) indicates that more permanent I-69 signage is now being installed:
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... a contractor for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet has started installing permanent I-69 signs along the route, beginning with the pouring of concrete anchors for the new signs.
The contractor, Westate Construction Inc. of Hopkinsville, is starting at the WK Parkway (WKP) interchange with the Pennyrile Parkway near Madisonville and will be moving westward. Minimal traffic disruptions are expected.
New signs will also be placed along 16 miles of the existing I-24 near Eddyville that will double as a portion of I-69 ....

This brief article (http://www.westkentuckystar.com/News/Local-Regional/Western-Kentucky/Work-on-I-69-WK-Parkway-Exit-12-Set-for-Thursday.aspx) is primarily about upcoming ramp work at the Exit 12/ KY 91 interchange, but it also briefly mentions that the I-69 signage project is still ongoing:

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Sign crews are continuing to work at various locations along this section of I-69/The WK Parkway between Interstate 24 at Eddyville and the Breathitt-Pennyrile Parkway near Madisonville.

Does anyone have any recent field reports and/or photos regarding the I-69 signage?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2012, 12:18:40 PM
So we could have a direct Interstate connection from Memphis to Indianapolis sooner than we think? Good for them!

That pesky Ohio River bridge may hold that back, as well as the lack of progress in TN.
Not to mention the lack of progress further south, with the exception of TX.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on November 06, 2012, 12:17:33 PM
o       Our priority in that region is I-69 and will be for some time.
o       55 miles of I-69 already sport the red, white and blue interstate shield signs.
o       Just this past Friday, we opened bids for the project to rebuild the Dawson Springs interchange to interstate standards. (Have not yet awarded contract.)
(above quote from I-67: TN, KY, IN (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5513.msg181663#msg181663) thread)

This article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/nov/06/pavement-repairs-planned-on-outer-second-ky-425/) reports that KYTC has awarded the contract for the KY 109/ Dawson Springs interchange upgrade:

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... the state also awarded a nearly $5.1 million contract to Road Builders LLC of Greenville to upgrade the interchange of Interstate 69/Western Kentucky Parkway and Kentucky 109 near Dawson Springs in Hopkins County to interstate standards.
The project is one of several to bring the WK Parkway up to interstate standards between Eddyville and the Pennyrile Parkway since it was officially designated as part of I-69 a year ago. Similar work is planned along the Pennyrile from the WK Parkway to Henderson so that leg can become part of I-69 as well.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 06, 2012, 08:51:50 PM
Sunday evening and Monday morning, I drove the entire length of I-69 in Kentucky, northbound from the Tennessee state line to Henderson.

Observations:

1.) "Future I-69 corridor" signs are posted along the entire route of the Purchase Parkway, and intermittently along the included portion of the Pennyrile Parkway.

2.) There is no mention of I-69 whatsoever on I-24 eastbound.

3.) A sign replacement project is underway. I noticed new posts approaching I-24 on the Purchase, all along the I-69 portion of the WK, and southbound on the Pennyrile approaching the WK. I don't understand this. Kentucky uses demountable copy and route shields on its guide signs, so it would be a simple matter to add I-69 shields where appropriate. If they are changing out exit numbers on the I-69 portion of the WK, it would be easier to just change the exit tabs the way they did on the Natcher when they had to change exit numbers because of the new extension.

4.) In order to achieve proper interstate bridge clearance, looks like they lowered the level of the route surface in a couple of places. A Jersey barrier has been placed in those areas.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on November 06, 2012, 09:12:17 PM
How old were the signs? The ones on the WK were not that old - maybe 15 to 20 years, but some signs in the state are pretty damn old - like the Mountain Parkway that have got to be approaching 40.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 06, 2012, 09:46:36 PM
How old were the signs? The ones on the WK were not that old - maybe 15 to 20 years, but some signs in the state are pretty damn old - like the Mountain Parkway that have got to be approaching 40.

Not that old. In fact, one of the signs set to be replaced is for Mineral Mound State Park on the WK. It's a Clearview sign and looks practically new.

The Mountain Parkway signs date back to around 1976 or so. They replaced text-based non-button copy signs that were 1963 originals. All of the signs eastbound, with the exception of a couple of mileage signs, have been replaced between Clay City and Slade.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: SSF on November 24, 2012, 07:59:33 PM
It was weird seeing those massive signs right behind the old signs, and all to add only one interstate shield and word "south"(i was traveling on SB Pennyrile heading back to Atlanta).  The new signs are probably at least 25% bigger than the old signs.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 24, 2012, 08:42:43 PM
It was weird seeing those massive signs right behind the old signs, and all to add only one interstate shield and word "south"(i was traveling on SB Pennyrile heading back to Atlanta).  The new signs are probably at least 25% bigger than the old signs.

That's unusual. Most of Kentucky's recent installations have been smaller than the signs they replaced.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on November 30, 2012, 10:46:03 AM
from the current six-year highway plan:
PROJECT REVIEW TO LOCATE ALIGNMENT FOR INTERSTATE 69 AROUND HENDERSON FROM E.T. BREATHITT PARKWAY (PENNYRILE PARKWAY) TO OHIO RIVER CROSSING. (I-69 CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT). (10CCR) D $1 million, 2012
(above quote from I-69 Ohio River Bridge (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3245.msg186475#msg186475) thread)

With 2013 rapidly approaching, I emailed the generic KYTC "Contact Us" address (I did not want to impose on HB) about the extent of progress on the above project:

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Q:
The 2012 Recommended Highway Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Highway%20Plan/2012RecommendedProjectListing.pdf), on page 54, has the following $1 million 2012 listing :
"PROJECT REVIEW TO LOCATE ALIGNMENT FOR INTERSTATE 69 AROUND HENDERSON FROM E.T. BREATHITT PARKWAY (PENNYRILE PARKWAY) TO OHIO RIVER CROSSING. (I-69 CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT)"
Has work started & when should it be finished?

A:
There are twelve total I-69 projects in the 2012 Recommended Highway Plan totaling $155 million worth of commitment.  Each of these projects are at various stages of planning and design.  The project you referenced in your question is in the early stages of planning.  The Recommended Highway Plan has money set aside for its construction in 2019.  This is a target construction date and at this time we are uncertain as to if that date is realistic or not.  Regardless, the Cabinet has a long way to go before we begin to construct this project.
Jeff Jasper, P.E., Director
Kentucky Transportation Cabinet
Division of Highway Design

I had intended to only ask when the review would begin, not actual construction.  If KYTC believes some type of Kentucky-Indiana toll authority can be established for the bridge in the near future, then 2019 construction for I-69 to the east of Henderson may not be out of the question.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on November 30, 2012, 10:57:05 AM
Such an authority may be doable. With one such authority authorized for the Ohio River Bridges Project to impose tolls for the East End Bridge and another with "strong" support from both Kentucky Governor Beshear and Ohio Governor Kasich for the Brent Spence Bridge (supplemental) Project. It's a reality that both of those projects would not be doable with conventional funding sources, both state and federal.

But if the I-69 bridge is tolled, what is to stop folks from using the existing US 41 bridges which are well within their capacity? If the 1931-era span is demolished and the three-lane bridge built in the 1960s is kept, that may be better. I can't see a need for three bridges - it's expensive to maintain these crossings.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mgk920 on November 30, 2012, 11:30:08 AM
Going over aerial images of that area, I can see no way that the existing US 41 through the Henderson, KY area can be economically upgraded to full interstate status without screwing everything at the local level up along the way.

IMHO, the best routing (assuming no undue environmental hangups) would have I-69 diverge from the the existing Parkway by the railroad overcrossing just north of KY 351, run along the railroad to just south of US 60 where it would curve a bit northward and cross the railroad, running a short distance east of KY 414, then curve nearly due northward and cross the river.  From there, it would join I-164, feeding into that curve about a half-section east of Weinbach Ave, threading the highway between those ponds.  I-164 to the west could then connect to it just south of that pond that would be west of I-69.  The routing could be smoothed a bit if one or more of those ponds are expendable.

I would also find some way to simplify the area around the US 41/60 interchange for batter local utility, study the US 41 connection to the Parkway just south of KY 351 (is it really needed?) and preserve KY 425 for long-term future upgrading to be a permanent I-69.  (The Parkways from there to I-24 near Hopkinsville, KY would make a nice 'I-41' southward extension, too, I'd say!  :hmmm:  :nod:  :spin: )

Mike
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 30, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
Meant to post this a long time ago, but back in the summer I sat through a presentation on I-69 projects. Here is a link:

http://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/Conference%20Presentation/An%20Update%20On%20I69%20Progress%20Schedules%20and%20Challenges.pdf
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on November 30, 2012, 01:30:12 PM
Meant to post this a long time ago, but back in the summer I sat through a presentation on I-69 projects. Here is a link:
http://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/Conference%20Presentation/An%20Update%20On%20I69%20Progress%20Schedules%20and%20Challenges.pdf

Great info.  Thanks for sharing.

The next-to-last slide concerns the "End of Purchase Parkway in Fulton".  Did the presenters discuss whether any efforts have been made to coordinate with TDOT for corridor preservation at the state line (I recently asked TDOT this question in an email but have not received an answer yet)?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 30, 2012, 02:18:50 PM
The next-to-last slide concerns the "End of Purchase Parkway in Fulton".  Did the presenters discuss whether any efforts have been made to coordinate with TDOT for corridor preservation at the state line (I recently asked TDOT this question in an email but have not received an answer yet)?

Nope.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on November 30, 2012, 02:22:25 PM
Nope.

Shoot.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on November 30, 2012, 06:10:42 PM
Question for those familar with this corridor in Kentucky. I know in Indiana there is a plan for a rest area that wasn't built, but will be in the future. Are there any plans for these kinds of services (welcome centers, rest areas, etc) on Kentucky's stretch of I-69?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mukade on November 30, 2012, 06:35:39 PM
Also, when will the Pennyrile section be signed? Are the upgrades happening in 2013?

Does the order of the slides in that KYTC PowerPoint imply that SIU 4 (Henderson Bypass) will be built before the SIU 6 (Purchase Pkwy section) upgrade?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Revive 755 on November 30, 2012, 11:19:59 PM
Meant to post this a long time ago, but back in the summer I sat through a presentation on I-69 projects. Here is a link:

http://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/Conference%20Presentation/An%20Update%20On%20I69%20Progress%20Schedules%20and%20Challenges.pdf

Page 7/49 makes a great case for making it easier to override FHWA on interstate designations on substandard freeways.  How many existing sections of interstates already have one or more of those features without any immediate plans to fix them?

Narrow medians?  I-44 in Missouri easily beats the one pictured:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=rolla,+mo&hl=en&ll=37.938356,-91.833528&spn=0.0143,0.033023&sll=42.032432,-88.091192&sspn=0.215482,0.528374&hnear=Rolla,+Phelps,+Missouri&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.938356,-91.833528&panoid=mIGBRT6JmMoWuwN3vL-eBw&cbp=12,60.88,,0,19.94 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=rolla,+mo&hl=en&ll=37.938356,-91.833528&spn=0.0143,0.033023&sll=42.032432,-88.091192&sspn=0.215482,0.528374&hnear=Rolla,+Phelps,+Missouri&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.938356,-91.833528&panoid=mIGBRT6JmMoWuwN3vL-eBw&cbp=12,60.88,,0,19.94)

Low bridges?  Pretty sure I've seen that haunched beam design elsewhere on interstates, yet I just can't find any examples on streetview tonight. So Michigan does not have fix their deficient bridges on I-94?
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=hartford,+mi&hl=en&ll=42.18325,-86.223793&spn=0.053742,0.132093&sll=42.183016,-86.224806&sspn=0.107994,0.264187&hnear=Hartford,+Van+Buren,+Michigan&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=42.183272,-86.223637&panoid=uvQapwDuoen-X2tJakroTg&cbp=12,77.92,,0,1.25 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=hartford,+mi&hl=en&ll=42.18325,-86.223793&spn=0.053742,0.132093&sll=42.183016,-86.224806&sspn=0.107994,0.264187&hnear=Hartford,+Van+Buren,+Michigan&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=42.183272,-86.223637&panoid=uvQapwDuoen-X2tJakroTg&cbp=12,77.92,,0,1.25)

Narrow shoulders?  Widening on I-44 actually made the shoulder narrower than it had been:http://maps.google.com/maps?q=rolla,+mo&hl=en&ll=37.961021,-91.772398&spn=0.028727,0.066047&sll=42.032432,-88.091192&sspn=0.215482,0.528374&hnear=Rolla,+Phelps,+Missouri&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=37.961021,-91.772398&panoid=En3H2AvhM1CUcDz8FTtudg&cbp=12,263.39,,0,9.82 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=rolla,+mo&hl=en&ll=37.961021,-91.772398&spn=0.028727,0.066047&sll=42.032432,-88.091192&sspn=0.215482,0.528374&hnear=Rolla,+Phelps,+Missouri&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=37.961021,-91.772398&panoid=En3H2AvhM1CUcDz8FTtudg&cbp=12,263.39,,0,9.82)

Outdated guardrail?  Who except an engineer or a roadgeek is really gonna notice that?

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 01, 2012, 02:14:55 AM
Question for those familar with this corridor in Kentucky. I know in Indiana there is a plan for a rest area that wasn't built, but will be in the future. Are there any plans for these kinds of services (welcome centers, rest areas, etc) on Kentucky's stretch of I-69?

I wonder how difficult it would be to obtain a copy of the 2008 I-69 Corridor Master Plan (the cover of which is shown in the presentation) ... surely such a topic would be covered in that.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on December 01, 2012, 10:12:02 AM
I wonder how difficult it would be to obtain a copy of the 2008 I-69 Corridor Master Plan (the cover of which is shown in the presentation) ... surely such a topic would be covered in that.

The 2008 I-69 Corridor Master Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/i-69-complete%20report-2.pdf), in addition to other I-69 corridor studies, can be found on this page on the KYTC website (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Pages/I-69.aspx).

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I may be mistaken, but I believe that the December 2011 I-69 Strategic Planning Corridor Study Final Report For Purchase Parkway and Interstate 24 (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Strategic%20Planning%20Corridor%20Study_Overview%20of%20Existing%20Conditions%20_Final%20Draft-2.pdf) was not included in the slide presentation, but it is included on KYTC's I-69 webpage.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 01, 2012, 05:55:58 PM
I wonder how difficult it would be to obtain a copy of the 2008 I-69 Corridor Master Plan (the cover of which is shown in the presentation) ... surely such a topic would be covered in that.

The 2008 I-69 Corridor Master Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/i-69-complete%20report-2.pdf), in addition to other I-69 corridor studies, can be found on this page on the KYTC website (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Pages/I-69.aspx).

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I may be mistaken, but I believe that the December 2011 I-69 Strategic Planning Corridor Study Final Report For Purchase Parkway and Interstate 24 (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Strategic%20Planning%20Corridor%20Study_Overview%20of%20Existing%20Conditions%20_Final%20Draft-2.pdf) was not included in the slide presentation, but it is included on KYTC's I-69 webpage.

Thanks!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 03, 2012, 12:56:46 PM
 Update on I-69 signage in Kentucky (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=455411001161320&set=a.193392244029865.38034.168622233173533&type=1)
Title: KY; Signage Project Makes Switch To I-69
Post by: Grzrd on December 14, 2012, 07:32:33 PM
Update on I-69 signage in Kentucky (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=455411001161320&set=a.193392244029865.38034.168622233173533&type=1)

This article (http://wkyufm.org/post/interstate-69-official-new-signs-and-mile-points-lyon-hopkins-trigg-counties) reports that the switch to I-69 signage and mile points (the I-24 overlap will continue to have I-24 based mile points) occurred on December 14:

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The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet reports that a contractor for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet switched the new 38-mile section of Interstate 69 in Lyon, Caldwell, and Hopkins Counties to new mile points and new signage Friday.   Old mile markers for the former Western Kentucky Parkway have been removed or covered.
The change also reoriented the east-west direction of the former Parkway to north-south for Interstate 69 from the Interstate 24 Interchange near Eddyville to the Breathitt-Pennyrile Parkway Interchange near Madisonville.
Transportation Cabinet spokesman Keith Todd noted that there are a few old signs that will have to be removed over the next few days, but the new I-69 signs and mile markers are to be used to report emergencies to area agencies.
“Most of the old signage has been removed or covered,” Todd said.  “There are a few old signs that will be taken down on Monday.  I think the toughest challenge for everyone is the reorientation from east and west that we’ve used for so many years to the north-south direction for I-69.”
Todd emphasized that mile points along the “co-badged” section where I-24 and I-69 run together from the Purchase Parkway Interchange at I-24 Exit 25 near Calvert City to the I-24 Exit 42 Interchange near Eddyville will remain the same.
“Whenever two routes converge, the lowest number or oldest route is prime or dominant,” Todd said.
The work included updating some of the existing signage along Interstate 24 to current Interstate standards.  State signs crews have also placed signs along a number of state highways directing motorists to the new I-69 route.
The new section of I-69 starts with the 68 mile marker running eastward from the I-24 Interchange, crosses US 62 at mile point 71.784, meets KY 91 at mile point 79.771, crosses KY 109 at mile point 92.5, and ends at the I-69 Interchange with the Pennyrile Parkway at mile point 106.4.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tidecat on December 14, 2012, 08:58:23 PM
I understand I-24 is the older route, but I always thought the higher numbered route dictated exit numbers (like I-75 in Lexington).  Of course if age of the route is an acceptable criterion, the rout number really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 14, 2012, 09:12:59 PM
Photo galleries...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.429116630493656.99094.111931842212138&type=1

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.460189167350170.94376.168622233173533&type=1

Press releases...

https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict1/posts/453516394711773

https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict2/posts/433328806734745


I understand I-24 is the older route, but I always thought the higher numbered route dictated exit numbers (like I-75 in Lexington).  Of course if age of the route is an acceptable criterion, the rout number really doesn't matter.

In that case, I-75 was the older route. I-64 beyond what is now the northern split wasn't completed until 1971. Prior to that, I-64 traffic was directed off of I-75 at KY 922 (Exit 115).
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 14, 2012, 11:12:20 PM
HB, is there a list of what the former "Western Kentucky Parkway" exit numbers will change to so they work with I-69's mileage?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: amroad17 on December 15, 2012, 03:48:04 AM
Just add 68 to the former exit numbers up to the Pennyrile Pkwy.  It will probably be, in order, 68, 72, 80, 92, and 106.  Then the numbers on the Pennyrile will change starting at 106 where exit 34 is.  Add 72 to the current exit numbers north of the WK Pkwy.

Will the exit numbers on the WK change east of the Pennyrile?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mukade on December 15, 2012, 06:34:49 AM
Or add 100 on the Pennyrile for continuity (and 96 on WK). Or not.

One thing I noticed on the incorrectly marked I-69 sections in Google Maps for Kentucky, they have a few miles near Henderson marked that will never be I-69. I am not exactly sure where the proposed new eastern I-69 bypass will be, but I thought it was before the Audubon Pkwy and near the Henderson southern bypass.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 15, 2012, 07:57:41 AM

One thing I noticed on the incorrectly marked I-69 sections in Google Maps for Kentucky, they have a few miles near Henderson marked that will never be I-69. I am not exactly sure where the proposed new eastern I-69 bypass will be, but I thought it was before the Audubon Pkwy and near the Henderson southern bypass.

I guess Google maps anticipated a possible future "Business Route I-69" minus the green sign. ;) 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 15, 2012, 10:39:41 AM
HB, is there a list of what the former "Western Kentucky Parkway" exit numbers will change to so they work with I-69's mileage?

I think there was a link in one of those press releases to the official Kentucky route log. Failing that, the photo galleries show both the old and new exit numbers for the KY 109 interchange, so that could be used as a guide.

Will the exit numbers on the WK change east of the Pennyrile?

According to the press release, no.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on December 15, 2012, 11:29:17 AM

One thing I noticed on the incorrectly marked I-69 sections in Google Maps for Kentucky, they have a few miles near Henderson marked that will never be I-69. I am not exactly sure where the proposed new eastern I-69 bypass will be, but I thought it was before the Audubon Pkwy and near the Henderson southern bypass.

I guess Google maps anticipated a possible future "Business Route I-69" minus the green sign. ;) 
Someone probably just jumped the gun without realizing that a bypass will be built.  With most people, the more they think they know, the less they actually know, and it's especially true for the people who edit Google Maps.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on December 15, 2012, 12:53:56 PM
The 2012 KYTC state map shows the new exit numbers (but of course not the details of what has which suffix, if any, at each end): http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Pages/Official-Highway-Map.aspx
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 16, 2012, 08:37:16 PM
The 2012 KYTC state map shows the new exit numbers (but of course not the details of what has which suffix, if any, at each end): http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Pages/Official-Highway-Map.aspx

Thanks for posting that NE2.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on December 18, 2012, 07:13:48 AM
I drove the Audubon Pkwy on Sunday between Henderson and Owensboro and I noticed "Future I-69 Spur" signs along it in either direction. The one sign that was facing me was bent, so I didn't get to capture a picture of it.

I don't know if this has already been mentioned in this thread or not.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 18, 2012, 10:18:36 PM
Last time I drove the Audubon it was raining so my pictures turned out crappy. Such is life.
Title: I-69 in KY; Ground Broken For KY 109 Interchange Upgrade
Post by: Grzrd on December 19, 2012, 05:34:10 PM
"Tollbooth style" = four loop ramps such as what would be found in a cloverleaf. The way they worked is that you moved to the right lane to pay the toll at a booth either under the bridge (or in the case of the KY 11 exit on the Mountain Parkway, on the bridge) and then exited. Incoming traffic looped around, yielded to traffic already on the parkway, paid the toll, then entered. You always told the attendant "getting on" or "getting off" so they'd know how much toll to charge you. You could also go through in those lanes because sometimes those lanes were the only two that were staffed if you needed change.

This article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/dec/19/no-headline---interstate69/) reports that another former toll cloverleaf, near Dawson Springs, will be converted to a diamond:

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Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear helped ceremonially break ground for a new interchange on Interstate 69 near his hometown of Dawson Springs in Hopkins County.
A 38-mile stretch of the Western Kentucky Parkway was designated as part of I-69 from Eddyville to near Madisonville last year. The state entered into an agreement with the Federal Highway Administration to bring that stretch of parkway up to interstate standards, including converting the Dawson Springs/Kentucky 109 interchange from a cloverleaf to a diamond.
The cloverleaf, designed to accommodate a toll plaza when the parkway was opened in 1963, was typical of interchanges on Kentucky's parkways, all of which began as toll roads. But interstate standards require an interchange with longer ramps
....
The state eventually hopes to redesignate the portion of the Pennyrile Parkway from near Madisonville to Henderson as I-69 as well. However, it's expected that the FHWA will require that it first be brought up to interstate standards.
That work will include completing the Robards/Kentucky 416 interchange in Henderson County and rebuilding the Sebree/Kentucky 56 interchange in Webster County, among other improvements.
Construction work on the Robards interchange was scheduled in the state's 2012 Highway Plan to take place during the 2012-2013 fiscal year, while the rebuilding of the Sebree interchange is projected to take place in 2016.

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This TV video report (http://tristatehomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=570802) has some footage of the current KY 109 interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on December 19, 2012, 06:52:17 PM
Said interchange: http://goo.gl/maps/TbrYS

Speaking of, I wish the remainder would be converted, like the Audubon Parkway and KY 416 interchange: http://goo.gl/maps/WIVzb. Work has been ongoing to replace the original 1970 concrete, which was in good condition sans the part at the toll booth, but the interchange with its funky cloverleaf was rebuilt with new concrete - not rebuilt into a new interchange.

Even more odd, is the use of concrete. Kentucky's other rebuilds throughout the state have been in asphalt unless it was in an urbanized area - like around Cincinnati and Louisville.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: aae991 on December 20, 2012, 09:28:55 PM
I'll be traveling through I-69 in Kentucky this weekend with my RV, from Evansville to I-24 (total route from Chicago to Orlando).  How is the condition of the road in terms of ruts, bumps, and pot holes?  Normally I take I-65 southbound through Indiana, but it's in terrible condition.  This year I'm doing the U.S. 41, Ind. 63, I-69 route towards I-24 and Nashville.

Thanks for any advice.

Stuart
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 20, 2012, 09:53:44 PM
I'll be traveling through I-69 in Kentucky this weekend with my RV, from Evansville to I-24 (total route from Chicago to Orlando).  How is the condition of the road in terms of ruts, bumps, and pot holes?  Normally I take I-65 southbound through Indiana, but it's in terrible condition.  This year I'm doing the U.S. 41, Ind. 63, I-69 route towards I-24 and Nashville.

Thanks for any advice.

Stuart

Shouldn't be too bad. You are going to stay on the Pennyrile Parkway all the way south to Hopkinsville, right?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Alps on December 20, 2012, 10:53:36 PM
I'll be traveling through I-69 in Kentucky this weekend with my RV, from Evansville to I-24 (total route from Chicago to Orlando).  How is the condition of the road in terms of ruts, bumps, and pot holes?  Normally I take I-65 southbound through Indiana, but it's in terrible condition.  This year I'm doing the U.S. 41, Ind. 63, I-69 route towards I-24 and Nashville.

Thanks for any advice.

Stuart
The Parkways making up 69 are in fine conditions last I drove them.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 20, 2012, 11:22:36 PM
I'll be traveling through I-69 in Kentucky this weekend with my RV, from Evansville to I-24 (total route from Chicago to Orlando).  How is the condition of the road in terms of ruts, bumps, and pot holes?  Normally I take I-65 southbound through Indiana, but it's in terrible condition.  This year I'm doing the U.S. 41, Ind. 63, I-69 route towards I-24 and Nashville.

Thanks for any advice.

Stuart
The Parkways making up 69 are in fine conditions last I drove them.

I drove the opposite direction of what he's going (north on 69) last month and the roads were fine, but it would be illogical for him to take the WK west to I-24 east, instead of shooting straight down the Pennyrile to I-24.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: aae991 on December 21, 2012, 12:07:23 AM
Yes, I'm going straight through to Hopkinsville and then I-24.  Thanks for the road reports.  I'm very glad I discovered this forum.  There are lots of very helpful people here.  It reminds me of the irv2.com forum for RVing... People helping people instead of arguing that's so common in other forums.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 21, 2012, 11:51:38 AM
People helping people instead of arguing that's so common in other forums.

You're obviously new...  :-D

Depending on time of day, you may run into some delays when you cross the Ohio River into Henderson, Ky. There's about at two-mile stretch of US 41 that jams up sometimes, and any lane closures on the bridges can compound things. One unusual thing you may notice is that you will have already crossed into Kentucky before you get to the Ohio River, and the US 41 bridges are entirely in the Bluegrass State.

You will have a chance to see some new I-69 signage on the Pennyrile southbound approaching the Western Kentucky Parkway. The posts were up, but the signs were not yet erected, when I was on the Pennyrile last month.

The last seven miles of the Pennyrile are newly-constructed, as the route previously ended at Alternate US 41.

I had heard of some concrete pavement repairs in various places on I-24, but I can't remember the location but I would guess the lane restrictions will be lifted for the holidays.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 21, 2012, 12:15:15 PM

You're obviously new...  :-D


depends on which forum.

also, I think here straightforward questions are answered quickly and efficiently - the arguing is more in places which have room for disagreement.  ("Clearview sucks", "interstate 99 is a silly number", "Alanland is neither fact nor opinion", etc.)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: exit322 on December 21, 2012, 01:18:39 PM

You're obviously new...  :-D


depends on which forum.

also, I think here straightforward questions are answered quickly and efficiently - the arguing is more in places which have room for disagreement.  ("Clearview sucks", "interstate 99 is a silly number", "Alanland is neither fact nor opinion", etc.)

Absolutely true.  I vehemently disagree and agree that Alanland is both fact and opinion.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 21, 2012, 01:43:04 PM

Absolutely true.  I vehemently disagree and agree that Alanland is both fact and opinion.

no, no, hell no, and you've gotta be kidding me ... I mean yes.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 21, 2012, 01:45:51 PM
Absolutely true.  I vehemently disagree and agree that Alanland is both fact and opinion.

Yes, Virginia, there is an Alanland...
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 21, 2012, 01:55:31 PM
Absolutely true.  I vehemently disagree and agree that Alanland is both fact and opinion.

Yes, Virginia, there is an Alanland...

(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/misc/alanland.png)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on December 21, 2012, 02:26:28 PM
Alanland and Ethanland are mortal enemies ... Alanland has banned the use of "366" as a highway number because of the distaste it holds for Ethanland.
(above quote from Alanland (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.msg181225#msg181225) thread)

^ The above map provides a clear representation of the territorial dispute between the mortal enemies.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Alps on December 21, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
Take it to the Alanland thread, guysssss
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Traffic on December 22, 2012, 09:54:45 PM
I drove I-24 earlier this week on a trip from St. Louis back to NC.   Signs are posted at Exit 42 saying I-69 North TO W KY Pkwy.  This is the only mention of I-69 along I-24 in KY.  It also seems to indicate that the WKP was truncated with the westernmost part now I-69.  There currently is no indication or signage for a 24/69 overlap even though this is intended west of Exit 42 in the future.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 22, 2012, 10:52:19 PM
There currently is no indication or signage for a 24/69 overlap even though this is intended west of Exit 42 in the future.

Didn't see this then?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=429117097160276&set=a.429116630493656.99094.111931842212138&type=3&permPage=1
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on December 23, 2012, 12:27:14 AM
Thanks for the pics, but I am wondering why KY is still using Elizabethtown as the control city? I-69 doesn't get within a 100 miles of E-town.

Seems if KY is serious about this being I-69 now instead of the WK, then they would have Evansville or at least Henderson or Madisonville as the control city.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on December 23, 2012, 12:41:17 AM
Thanks for the pics, but I am wondering why KY is still using Elizabethtown as the control city? I-69 doesn't get within a 100 miles of E-town.
Because, despite the new number, the road still goes in the direction of Elizabethtown. I'd certainly add Evansville to signs, but Liztown shouldn't be removed.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 23, 2012, 01:41:25 AM
Thanks for the pics, but I am wondering why KY is still using Elizabethtown as the control city? I-69 doesn't get within a 100 miles of E-town.
Because, despite the new number, the road still goes in the direction of Elizabethtown. I'd certainly add Evansville to signs, but Liztown shouldn't be removed.

And I'd say that most traffic that's headed from the Paducah area to Henderson/Evansville probably uses US 60 instead of the parkways. The new construction of US 641 from the Eddyville area over toward US 60 will only help to encourage traffic to use that route instead of the parkways.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on December 24, 2012, 01:01:59 AM
Thanks for the pics, but I am wondering why KY is still using Elizabethtown as the control city? I-69 doesn't get within a 100 miles of E-town.
Because, despite the new number, the road still goes in the direction of Elizabethtown. I'd certainly add Evansville to signs, but Liztown shouldn't be removed.

And I'd say that most traffic that's headed from the Paducah area to Henderson/Evansville probably uses US 60 instead of the parkways. The new construction of US 641 from the Eddyville area over toward US 60 will only help to encourage traffic to use that route instead of the parkways.

I know alot of people that make the trip between E'ville/Hendo and the lakes and I don't know of anyone that takes 60-641. I have done it a couple of times just for a change of scenery, but in the last 40 years, I would say I have taken 41-Pennyrile-WK about 98% of the time.

Wouldn't that logic imply that through 69 traffic would be taking US 60 instead of following the 69 route?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 24, 2012, 02:23:36 AM
Thanks for the pics, but I am wondering why KY is still using Elizabethtown as the control city? I-69 doesn't get within a 100 miles of E-town.
Because, despite the new number, the road still goes in the direction of Elizabethtown. I'd certainly add Evansville to signs, but Liztown shouldn't be removed.

And I'd say that most traffic that's headed from the Paducah area to Henderson/Evansville probably uses US 60 instead of the parkways. The new construction of US 641 from the Eddyville area over toward US 60 will only help to encourage traffic to use that route instead of the parkways.

I know alot of people that make the trip between E'ville/Hendo and the lakes and I don't know of anyone that takes 60-641. I have done it a couple of times just for a change of scenery, but in the last 40 years, I would say I have taken 41-Pennyrile-WK about 98% of the time.

Wouldn't that logic imply that through 69 traffic would be taking US 60 instead of following the 69 route?

^^ Amen.  If I'm in absolutely NO hurry (in other words, if my wife and I don't have the kids with us), I'll drive down 60, but by and large, I stick to the parkways.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 24, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
Wouldn't that logic imply that through 69 traffic would be taking US 60 instead of following the 69 route?

Some people won't stray off the RWB Interstate route.

The overhead at the split of US 60 and US 62 lists  Henderson as US 60's destination.

I still maintain that signing I-69 on the parkways instead of building a direct route between the Calvert City/Kentucky Dam area and Henderson was basically Kentucky's version of putting I-69 on US 41 and I-70 instead of building a direct route between Evansville and Indianapolis.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mgk920 on December 25, 2012, 11:09:48 AM
Am I correct in assuming that the long-term option of building that 'corner cut' still exists, more as an 'as local traffic warrants and funding allows' sort of thing?

Mike
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 25, 2012, 01:08:58 PM
Am I correct in assuming that the long-term option of building that 'corner cut' still exists, more as an 'as local traffic warrants and funding allows' sort of thing?

Mike

I don't think it ever really was seriously considered as an option.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on December 25, 2012, 03:07:56 PM
There's really nothing along a "cutting the corner" route to even mandate building new terrain Interstate in the first place.

Sure it'd be nice to save a few minutes off the Evansville to Memphis travel time, but it's a totally different situation than I-69 in Indiana where you had a sizeable number of people in SW Indiana lobbying for the road, and quite a few people being served by having the road built (Evansville, Bloomington, Martinsville, Washington, Crane Naval, etc).

Also US 41 in Indiana would need a lot more work to be upgraded to Interstate standards between Terre Haute & Evansville than the Parkways that will be I-69 in KY will need.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmeck on December 26, 2012, 05:52:04 AM
Why in the world should Elizabethtown, KY be on an I-69 control sign? It's not even on an I-65 sign, and I-65 passes through that area.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 26, 2012, 10:00:43 AM
Why in the world should Elizabethtown, KY be on an I-69 control sign? It's not even on an I-65 sign, and I-65 passes through that area.

The WK Parkway is, and will remain, the principal through route along that corridor for quite some time now. My guess is that most traffic heading east on the WK will pass the Pennyrile Parkway exit and continue on the WK. Elizabethtown is the eastern terminus of the WK, so that's why it's the control city. E-town is also the control city for the westbound Bluegrass Parkway out of Versailles and Lexington.

What would you suggest as a control city for the WK Parkway?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on December 26, 2012, 12:00:48 PM
I'd sign both Elizabethtown and Evansville on that stretch of I-69, and probably Paducah and Memphis (when it becomes time to do so) for westbound. If I remember from that stretch, I don't even think that Evansville gets mentioned on the Pennyrile until around Henderson. Exit signs at that interchange COULD say both communities as this becomes more of a regional route, but maybe not until the I-69 bridge is built over the Ohio.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on December 26, 2012, 05:59:37 PM
It is my understanding that the WK now ends at the Pennyrile. The section from the Pennyrile to I-24 is only I-69 now. The signs all say "Formerly" WK on them. If that is the case, then E-town shouldn't be on that section.

If the WK and I-69 are multi-plexed on that section, then probably both Evansville and E-town should be on there, but since that is now just I-69, and I-69 doesn't go to E-town, then the signs should be changed to either Evansville, the correct control city, or at least Madisonville until the Pennyrile gets redesignated.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on December 26, 2012, 06:04:30 PM
It is my understanding that the WK now ends at the Pennyrile. The section from the Pennyrile to I-24 is only I-69 now. The signs all say "Formerly" WK on them. If that is the case, then E-town shouldn't be on that section.
Control cities aren't as anal as you. They can be reached by more than one route.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 27, 2012, 10:04:30 AM
It is my understanding that the WK now ends at the Pennyrile. The section from the Pennyrile to I-24 is only I-69 now. The signs all say "Formerly" WK on them. If that is the case, then E-town shouldn't be on that section.

If the WK and I-69 are multi-plexed on that section, then probably both Evansville and E-town should be on there, but since that is now just I-69, and I-69 doesn't go to E-town, then the signs should be changed to either Evansville, the correct control city, or at least Madisonville until the Pennyrile gets redesignated.

Using that logic, I-79 should be signed for Erie, not Pittsburgh, since it doesn't go to Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on December 27, 2012, 12:54:07 PM
It is my understanding that the WK now ends at the Pennyrile. The section from the Pennyrile to I-24 is only I-69 now. The signs all say "Formerly" WK on them. If that is the case, then E-town shouldn't be on that section.

If the WK and I-69 are multi-plexed on that section, then probably both Evansville and E-town should be on there, but since that is now just I-69, and I-69 doesn't go to E-town, then the signs should be changed to either Evansville, the correct control city, or at least Madisonville until the Pennyrile gets redesignated.
So?  Traffic patterns aren't going to radically alter themselves simply because of a designation change.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on December 29, 2012, 02:47:53 PM
There currently is no indication or signage for a 24/69 overlap even though this is intended west of Exit 42 in the future.

Didn't see this then?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=429117097160276&set=a.429116630493656.99094.111931842212138&type=3&permPage=1

When I drove through that area a couple of weeks ago, the 24/69 overlap was only signed immediately west of the WK Parkway interchange on mainline I-24. The overlap was mentioned along the exits as shown in the picture above west to the Purchase Pkwy, but not along the mainline.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 28, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Heard an interesting story about I-69's routing in Kentucky from someone who would be in a position to know.

Original plans were for a new-terrain routing from the Princeton area northeastward to Henderson. Before the study was completed, Congressman Ed Whitfield asked for it to be deep-sixed and instead pushed for the parkway routing between I-24 and Henderson. His reasoning was that this would push the interstate closer to his hometown of Hopkinsville, thus opening up the possibility of the Pennyrile Parkway south of the WK Parkway to become a interstate-numbered spur of I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on February 28, 2013, 01:31:30 PM
That cloverleaf at the Pennyrile and WK will need to be upgraded to handle I-69-only bound traffic if they intend on that being the through route, instead of how it is currently set up.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on February 28, 2013, 03:10:54 PM
That cloverleaf at the Pennyrile and WK will need to be upgraded to handle I-69-only bound traffic if they intend on that being the through route, instead of how it is currently set up.

Take a look at Figure 3 (page 95/129 of pdf) here (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/i-69-complete%20report-2.pdf).

edit - added below image

(http://i.imgur.com/19CNPE3.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on February 28, 2013, 04:46:59 PM
That cloverleaf at the Pennyrile and WK will need to be upgraded to handle I-69-only bound traffic if they intend on that being the through route, instead of how it is currently set up.

Take a look at Figure 3 (page 95/129 of pdf) here (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/i-69-complete%20report-2.pdf).
Looks like a waste of money. At most you need a flyover for the left turn.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on February 28, 2013, 07:36:40 PM
Wow ... my immediate reaction is that's about the dumbest idea ever, which means that's probably what will get built.  :no:
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 28, 2013, 08:50:15 PM
Looks like a waste of money. At most you need a flyover for the left turn.

Plus widening the ramp from the southbound Pennyrile to the westbound WK. But it looks like they are intent on making I-69 the through route and thus will have the WK exit to the right going east (north) and similarly for the Pennyrile southbound. And I guess they want to eliminate left-lane merges.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Revive 755 on February 28, 2013, 08:59:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/19CNPE3.jpg)

I hope that map is not to scale, or is Kentucky trying to win some 'largest interchange' contest?  I'm pretty sure non-loop ramps designed for 80 mph wouldn't need that big of footprint.

Interesting how the map shows the I-66 designation going up to the cloverleaf but not east of it.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: theline on February 28, 2013, 09:23:03 PM
^^ Actually, if you want to avoid a left exit for SB "exiting" traffic, you have to make the changes shown. It just depends on if you think it's important to make I-69 the real through road.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Alps on February 28, 2013, 10:35:54 PM
It's really not that terrible.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Revive 755 on March 01, 2013, 11:53:00 PM
^^ Actually, if you want to avoid a left exit for SB "exiting" traffic, you have to make the changes shown. It just depends on if you think it's important to make I-69 the real through road.

Considering that the mainline NB I-69 uses a loop ramp at I-55 in Mississippi, I'm not sure why this interchange really needs to be upgraded right away.

A variant on the design used for the western I-72/US 51 interchange at Decatur, IL, would take up less land.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=decatur,+il&hl=en&ll=39.839683,-89.044168&spn=0.013955,0.033023&sll=39.840919,-89.043353&sspn=0.013955,0.033023&hnear=Decatur,+Macon,+Illinois&t=h&z=16 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=decatur,+il&hl=en&ll=39.839683,-89.044168&spn=0.013955,0.033023&sll=39.840919,-89.043353&sspn=0.013955,0.033023&hnear=Decatur,+Macon,+Illinois&t=h&z=16)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 02, 2013, 12:58:06 AM
^^ Actually, if you want to avoid a left exit for SB "exiting" traffic, you have to make the changes shown. It just depends on if you think it's important to make I-69 the real through road.

Considering that the mainline NB I-69 uses a loop ramp at I-55 in Mississippi, I'm not sure why this interchange really needs to be upgraded right away.

I think that's because they want people to use I-269 (once built) instead of going into downtown Memphis.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on March 03, 2013, 01:13:49 AM
Heard an interesting story about I-69's routing in Kentucky from someone who would be in a position to know.

Original plans were for a new-terrain routing from the Princeton area northeastward to Henderson. Before the study was completed, Congressman Ed Whitfield asked for it to be deep-sixed and instead pushed for the parkway routing between I-24 and Henderson. His reasoning was that this would push the interstate closer to his hometown of Hopkinsville, thus opening up the possibility of the Pennyrile Parkway south of the WK Parkway to become a interstate-numbered spur of I-69.

I was driving from Nashville to Evansville the other day, thinking about the Hopkinsville segment. I am in favor of the remaining section of the Pennyrile from the 69/WK interchange to I-24 being upgraded to an interstate, but I would like to see it get a designated 2-di, such as 61, instead of another 69 3-di. "61" could start in the E-ville-Hendo area, multiplex with 69, then continue southward to 24. This would make the Evansville-Nashville route alot less confusing than adding another highway altogether. I could also see this leading to a push in Indiana to continually expand "61" north towards Terre Haute and Chicago.  This would also leave Western KY with just one 69 3-di, the former Audubon Pkwy to Owensboro.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mgk920 on March 03, 2013, 01:18:24 PM
Heard an interesting story about I-69's routing in Kentucky from someone who would be in a position to know.

Original plans were for a new-terrain routing from the Princeton area northeastward to Henderson. Before the study was completed, Congressman Ed Whitfield asked for it to be deep-sixed and instead pushed for the parkway routing between I-24 and Henderson. His reasoning was that this would push the interstate closer to his hometown of Hopkinsville, thus opening up the possibility of the Pennyrile Parkway south of the WK Parkway to become a interstate-numbered spur of I-69.

I was driving from Nashville to Evansville the other day, thinking about the Hopkinsville segment. I am in favor of the remaining section of the Pennyrile from the 69/WK interchange to I-24 being upgraded to an interstate, but I would like to see it get a designated 2-di, such as 61, instead of another 69 3-di. "61" could start in the E-ville-Hendo area, multiplex with 69, then continue southward to 24. This would make the Evansville-Nashville route alot less confusing than adding another highway altogether. I could also see this leading to a push in Indiana to continually expand "61" north towards Terre Haute and Chicago.  This would also leave Western KY with just one 69 3-di, the former Audubon Pkwy to Owensboro.

Heck, take a page out of WisDOT's book and have the Pennyrile become a southward extension of 'I-41'.  IMHO, upgrading the US 41/IN 63 corridor in Indiana and the Pennyrile to be a single full two-digit interstate would create a very attractive straight-shot north-south corridor for traffic between the upper Midwest (Chicagoland and beyond) and the southeast (Nashville and beyond).

This would also allow a future upgrade of the US 60 and 641 corridor between the Eddyville and Henderson areas as a more 'proper' I-69 without unnecessarily bruising any political egos.

Not facetiously, but very seriously.

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on March 04, 2013, 12:03:11 PM
It doesn't look like that corridor needs a freeway at all... why should KY spend the money?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on March 04, 2013, 01:06:01 PM
It doesn't look like that corridor needs a freeway at all... why should KY spend the money?

Indiana certainly wouldn't spend the money on US 41 north of Terre Haute.  Chicago to Nashville is already served by I-65
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: trafficsignal on March 04, 2013, 01:39:33 PM
It doesn't look like that corridor needs a freeway at all... why should KY spend the money?

Indiana certainly wouldn't spend the money on US 41 north of Terre Haute.  Chicago to Nashville is already served by I-65

Not to mention the difficulty in selling the project to the public after thoroughly dismissing the upgraded US 41 and I-70 link for new terrain I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on March 04, 2013, 02:09:18 PM
Everyone on the Western side of Indiana still wants US 41 / SR 63 redone, because if it was interstate quality it would be faster to drive from Nashville to Chicago via Terre Haute than via Indianapois becuse it is alot shorter drive that way. It might also improve the economy in Westen Indiana.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on March 04, 2013, 02:50:16 PM
Not sure if I could ever see US 41 turned into a freeway across Indiana, at least not until US 31 is a complete freeway from Indy to South Bend and maybe US 30 from Valpo to Fort Wayne (hypotetically.) However, a complete freeway bypass around Terre Haute (SR 641) is certainly not out of the question and may do wonders for improve this trip. Raising the speed limit to 65 couldn't hurt either. As it is, from Clinton north to Cedar Lake there are two stoplights altogether. As far as Evansville to Terre Haute is considered, I-69 probably ruined it's chance to become a freeway in the near if not long term future.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on March 04, 2013, 08:13:29 PM
SR 641 is only bypassing South Eastern Terre Haute. There have been light talks about a NE bypass or Western bypass. However I live in Terre Haute and don't see either of those bypasses happening soon, if ever.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on March 04, 2013, 09:54:42 PM
US 41 from Terre Haute south to Evansville is a fine highway as it is. It doesn't need to be upgraded to a freeway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on March 05, 2013, 07:34:32 AM
US 41 from Terre Haute south to Evansville is a fine highway as it is. It doesn't need to be upgraded to a freeway.

What it does need is a 65 MPH speed limit.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on March 05, 2013, 10:42:42 PM
US 41 from Terre Haute south to Evansville is a fine highway as it is. It doesn't need to be upgraded to a freeway.

What it does need is a 65 MPH speed limit.

I'm not too sure I would call it fine..tolearable maybe, but not fine.

I agree with the increased speed limits.  In addition, I would like to see the following at a minimum between Evansville and Chicago.

*Full Bypass around Terre Haute
*Redesignate the SR 63 segment as US 41. This is idiotic in it's current state
*From Chicago, extend the 394 Freeway along the state line and then join up with US 41 near SR 2 at Lowell
*Prohibit Sullivan from running a speed trap with artificially low speed limits
*Reconfigure the US 41-50 interchange in Vincennes, especially southbound with a possible flyover


 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: cabiness42 on March 06, 2013, 07:46:39 AM

*From Chicago, extend the 394 Freeway along the state line and then join up with US 41 near SR 2 at Lowell
 

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-03-04/classified/ct-met-getting-around-0304-20130304_1_economic-development-lynwood-roadway

This isn't exactly what you are wanting, but it will be another connection between 394 and 41.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on March 06, 2013, 10:27:07 AM
I'm not too sure I would call it fine..tolearable maybe, but not fine.

What's wrong with it? It's four lanes, fairly flat and straight, and not overrun with traffic lights.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on March 06, 2013, 02:18:55 PM

I wish Terre Haute had a full bypass. 3rd Street is a mess especially by the mall. I made a map showing the differeent options INDOT has considered. I think the Eastern Bypass has the best chance of getting built which is shown in dark green. When you click on the link give it about 10 seconds to load the map.


http://www.scribblemaps.com/create/#id=xLNlymUNzH&lat=39.42978665175039&lng=-87.52803333343549&z=11&t=Map&y=0&p=0
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on March 06, 2013, 10:43:53 PM
I'm not too sure I would call it fine..tolearable maybe, but not fine.

What's wrong with it? It's four lanes, fairly flat and straight, and not overrun with traffic lights.

The items I mentioned above for improvements primarily.

In sections, it is overrun with stoplights..Evansville, Terre Haute and Lake County particularly. Yes, Evansville is somewhat fixed with I-164, but the other areas are too clogged. Try driving US 41 through Terre Haute during Christmas time. The same can be said for anywhere and anytime through Lake County.

There are also a few unneccessary lights and dangerous crossings all along the route. The speed limit is too low for most of the route, including the nortorious speed trap at Sullivan.

I would like to see the route as an interstate for the length of Indiana. Short of that, with just the improvements I suggested above, I think it would at least be sufficient as both an Evansville-Chicago route and as an alternative to I-65, which is getting too crowded and dangerous, especially between Indianapolis and Nashville.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on March 06, 2013, 10:48:54 PM

I wish Terre Haute had a full bypass. 3rd Street is a mess especially by the mall. I made a map showing the differeent options INDOT has considered. I think the Eastern Bypass has the best chance of getting built which is shown in dark green. When you click on the link give it about 10 seconds to load the map.


http://www.scribblemaps.com/create/#id=xLNlymUNzH&lat=39.42978665175039&lng=-87.52803333343549&z=11&t=Map&y=0&p=0

Those are good suggestions and ones I have also thought about over the years. Do you know if it would be feasable for it to actually run between the river and downtown Terre Haute? This would eliminate the need for a Wabash River bridge and be the shortest distance in terms of miles.

With 641 under construction, I would think that route would be the ultimate goal. Do you know when it is expected to be completed to I-70?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: cabiness42 on March 07, 2013, 07:49:50 AM
I'm not too sure I would call it fine..tolearable maybe, but not fine.

What's wrong with it? It's four lanes, fairly flat and straight, and not overrun with traffic lights.

The items I mentioned above for improvements primarily.

In sections, it is overrun with stoplights..Evansville, Terre Haute and Lake County particularly. Yes, Evansville is somewhat fixed with I-164, but the other areas are too clogged. Try driving US 41 through Terre Haute during Christmas time. The same can be said for anywhere and anytime through Lake County.

There are also a few unneccessary lights and dangerous crossings all along the route. The speed limit is too low for most of the route, including the nortorious speed trap at Sullivan.

I would like to see the route as an interstate for the length of Indiana. Short of that, with just the improvements I suggested above, I think it would at least be sufficient as both an Evansville-Chicago route and as an alternative to I-65, which is getting too crowded and dangerous, especially between Indianapolis and Nashville.

I don't ever drive between Terre Haute and Evansville, but I can confirm the claim that I-65 is two congested south of Indy.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on March 07, 2013, 08:48:43 AM
SR 641 in Terre Haute is expected to be finished by 2016. INDOT said 2015 but they didn't work on it last year so I bumped it up another year. A bridge for the Wabash would have to be built. The Terre Haute Pennitentiary is in the way, the sewage plant west of the mall is in the way, and Fairbanks Park in Downtown TH is in the way. INDOT put an estimated price on the Western Bypass and said it would cost around $500,000,000. The Eastern Bypass minus 641 would cost around 100,000,000 dollars.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: adt1982 on March 07, 2013, 11:06:29 PM
US 41 from Terre Haute south to Evansville is a fine highway as it is. It doesn't need to be upgraded to a freeway.

What it does need is a 65 MPH speed limit.

I'm not too sure I would call it fine..tolearable maybe, but not fine.

I agree with the increased speed limits.  In addition, I would like to see the following at a minimum between Evansville and Chicago.

*Full Bypass around Terre Haute
*Redesignate the SR 63 segment as US 41. This is idiotic in it's current state
*From Chicago, extend the 394 Freeway along the state line and then join up with US 41 near SR 2 at Lowell
*Prohibit Sullivan from running a speed trap with artificially low speed limits
*Reconfigure the US 41-50 interchange in Vincennes, especially southbound with a possible flyover


 

From what I have heard Parke County has been very against swapping 63 and 41.  One rumor I heard is that they are afraid tourism will drop because people will look for covered bridges along 41, not 63.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rte66man on March 08, 2013, 09:55:15 AM
^^ Actually, if you want to avoid a left exit for SB "exiting" traffic, you have to make the changes shown. It just depends on if you think it's important to make I-69 the real through road.

A variant on the design used for the western I-72/US 51 interchange at Decatur, IL, would take up less land.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=decatur,+il&hl=en&ll=39.839683,-89.044168&spn=0.013955,0.033023&sll=39.840919,-89.043353&sspn=0.013955,0.033023&hnear=Decatur,+Macon,+Illinois&t=h&z=16 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=decatur,+il&hl=en&ll=39.839683,-89.044168&spn=0.013955,0.033023&sll=39.840919,-89.043353&sspn=0.013955,0.033023&hnear=Decatur,+Macon,+Illinois&t=h&z=16)

Illinois seems to like that kind of interchange:
http://goo.gl/maps/yfFUZ

rte66man
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: theline on March 08, 2013, 01:36:03 PM
^^ Actually, if you want to avoid a left exit for SB "exiting" traffic, you have to make the changes shown. It just depends on if you think it's important to make I-69 the real through road.

A variant on the design used for the western I-72/US 51 interchange at Decatur, IL, would take up less land.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=decatur,+il&hl=en&ll=39.839683,-89.044168&spn=0.013955,0.033023&sll=39.840919,-89.043353&sspn=0.013955,0.033023&hnear=Decatur,+Macon,+Illinois&t=h&z=16 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=decatur,+il&hl=en&ll=39.839683,-89.044168&spn=0.013955,0.033023&sll=39.840919,-89.043353&sspn=0.013955,0.033023&hnear=Decatur,+Macon,+Illinois&t=h&z=16)

Illinois seems to like that kind of interchange:
http://goo.gl/maps/yfFUZ

rte66man

Good solution, using less ROW, but in both cases the traffic "exiting" the through road gets a left exit. Not always a deal-breaker, but a consideration.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: adt1982 on March 10, 2013, 01:40:24 PM
I have driven the mentioned I-55/I-72 interchange quite frequently for 6 years and I have never seen a problem with the left exit.
Title: Pennyrile Redesignation As I-69 In 2015?
Post by: Grzrd on March 27, 2013, 11:16:52 AM
I hope that map is not to scale, or is Kentucky trying to win some 'largest interchange' contest?  I'm pretty sure non-loop ramps designed for 80 mph wouldn't need that big of footprint.

This (behind pay wall) article (http://www.kentuckynewera.com/news/article_5bef77ee-9697-11e2-890c-001a4bcf887a.html?success=1?success=2) reports that KYTC is currently redesigning the interchange and that construction of it and all other Pennyrile projects necessary for the I-69 designation "could" be finished in 2015:

Quote
A 2008 law named the Pennyrile Parkway part of the I-69 route, designed to run all the way to Texas. But to become part of the federal interstate system, it still needs five construction projects, which could be finished by 2015, a state engineer said.
Kevin McClearn, chief engineer for district 2 of the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet, gave an update Tuesday to the regional transportation management committee of the Pennyrile Area Development District.
Right now the state is redesigning the interchange between the former Western Kentucky Parkway and the Pennyrile Parkway, in Nortonville, McClearn said.
Drivers moving from one road to the other shouldn’t have to use on-ramps or off-ramps, which slow them down, he said. In the future, they’ll be on I-69 the whole time.
Three of the remaining projects are also interchanges: at Kentucky 813, Kentucky 56 and Kentucky 416.
The other project is a series of improvements to the parkway itself, such as upgrading guardrails and bridge rails.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on April 19, 2013, 08:27:37 AM
This (behind pay wall) article (http://www.kentuckynewera.com/news/article_5bef77ee-9697-11e2-890c-001a4bcf887a.html?success=1?success=2) reports that KYTC is currently redesigning the interchange and that construction of it and all other Pennyrile projects necessary for the I-69 designation "could" be finished in 2015:
Quote
A 2008 law named the Pennyrile Parkway part of the I-69 route, designed to run all the way to Texas. But to become part of the federal interstate system, it still needs five construction projects, which could be finished by 2015

This article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/apr/19/no-headline---interstate_69_update/) reports that Gary Valentine, the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet’s new project manager for Interstate 69, told the Henderson Chamber of Commerce that several projects over the next two to three years on both the Pennyrile and Purchase Parkways will allow I-69 shields to be installed from Mayfield to Henderson:

Quote
... the I-69 project in Kentucky is moving pretty well — as long as the General Assembly maintains funding.
“I have $155 million showing in the six-year plan (with) $70 million in this biennium. There will be several construction projects you’ll see on I-69 on both the Pennyrile and the Purchase parkways over the next two to three years. Those projects will allow I-69 to be under shield (interstate signs) from Mayfield to Henderson.”



Also, as posted in another thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3245.msg216589#msg216589), Valentine spoke about trying to shave costs by shortening the new terrain Henderson approach to the I-69 Ohio River bridge:

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Kentucky’s six-year road plan, which guides all state highway construction, provides $1 million to study ways to make the bridge more affordable and Valentine said he thinks costs can be shaved, but a toll might be necessary.
The preferred corridor branches off from the Pennyrile Parkway south of Henderson “what I consider way early,” which will require the construction of about nine miles of new highway at a cost of about $10 million a mile. He said highway officials will look at branching off closer to Henderson.
Quote
Having two controlled access highways paralleling one another in that stretch doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense, he said, so highway officials will be looking at branching off closer to Henderson.

edit

A more recent version of the above-quoted article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/apr/19/i-69-prospects-look-good-8212-except-for-the/) has Valentine stating that construction on the KY 416 interchange should begin in August or September:

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Of the 11 projects in the six-year plan, one that will be happening relatively quickly is an improved interchange with Kentucky 416. “Today, if you’re coming northbound, you can’t get off at 416. If you want to go south, you can’t get on at 416. That will change.” The project will cost $6 million and is scheduled to begin construction in August or September.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on May 14, 2013, 10:25:09 AM
This article (http://murrayledger.com/news/ktc-to-share-plans-for-benton-interchange-work/article_ffbc35ea-bc3c-11e2-a029-0019bb2963f4.html) reports that another conversion of a toll plaza to a diamond interchange, this one at the Purchase Parkway/KY 348 Exit 43 interchange at Benton (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Benton,+KY&hl=en&ll=36.868704,-88.365172&spn=0.004283,0.009602&sll=32.678125,-83.178297&sspn=4.61356,9.832764&oq=benton&t=h&hnear=Benton,+Marshall,+Kentucky&z=17), should be let before the end of 2013:

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The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC) has finalized plans for reconstruction of the Purchase Parkway/KY 348 Exit 43 interchange at Benton.  Plans call for converting the existing toll plaza interchange into a modern diamond interchange that will meet standards for the parkway to become part of Interstate 69, according to Keith Todd, public information officer for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet's District One and District Two.
According to KYTC District 1 Project Development Engineer Mike McGregor, the plans have been shared with eight property owners that will be affected by the new interchange.  Those plans are being made available to others interested in the project.
“The final plans are available for review at our district office in Paducah.  We’ll also continue to be available to meet with landowners whose property will be touched by the project” McGregor said.
Approximately $20 million is budgeted for the interchange reconstruction.  The project is expected to be ready for a construction bid before the end of 2013.
McGregor says anyone interested in reviewing the final plans for the new Purchase Parkway/KY 348 Exit 43 interchange may contact him at 270-898-2431.

edit

Another article about the interchange reconstruction (http://www.tribunecourier.com/view/full_story/22570930/article-Parkway--interchange-revamping-to-begin-) reports that the new ramps could be open by 2015:

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Keith Todd, public information officer for the Kentucky Department of Highways, said the new interchange will eliminate the cloverleaf ramps and replace them with high-speed on and off ramps ....
One group that will likely be displaced is the Lakeland Chapter of the American Red Cross. Todd said the Transportation Cabinet owns the old toll plaza the Red Cross uses as its headquarters.* ....
Todd said the project is anticipated to span a full construction season or longer. He added the new ramps could be open by 2015.

“At some point, there could be lane restrictions,” Todd said. “We’re doing a similar construction at I-69 at Dawson Springs. It’s going forward with remarkably few traffic interruptions. Workers are able to handle dirt work and paving off the right-of-way. At some point, when they handle the tie-ins to the highway, there would be a lane restriction, but I don’t anticipate anything longer than a week or two, here or there.”

second edit * I assume this is the building on Bill Wood Lane?
Answered my own question:

(http://i.imgur.com/84zVFHo.gif)
American Red Cross
Address: 88 Bill Wood Ln, Benton, KY 42025

It would be interesting if KYTC requested, and FHWA later granted, a design exception that would allow the Red Cross to stay.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on May 30, 2013, 06:31:46 AM
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/may/29/several-major-highway-projectsto-take-place-here/

A little more info on two of the Pennyrile Parkway interchange upgrades projects.

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Pennyrile Parkway interchanges: The state plans to award contracts to complete the Pennyrile’s existing half-interchange at the Kentucky 416/Robards exit and to completely rebuild the Kentucky 56/Sebree interchange, which was designed for slow-moving traffic when that was a toll collection location.

The goal is to award a construction contract for the Kentucky 416 interchange this December, while the target letting date for the Kentucky 56 interchange is May 2014, according to Kevin McClearn, the chief district engineer for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet’s District Two office in Madisonville.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on July 10, 2013, 06:52:40 AM
A little update on the potential I-369 spur route (Audubon Parkway to Owensboro)

http://surfky.com/index.php/communities/77-owensboro-news/34218-owensboro-city-commission-hears-from-transportation-cabinet

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In its monthly work session on Tuesday, the Owensboro City Commission heard a special report from Kentucky Department of Transportation District 2 Chief District Engineer Kevin McClearn concerning the state of road projects in the Owensboro and Daviess County area.
 
According to McClearn, efforts to maintain and renovate sections of the Audubon Parkway are underway at this time, with a projected completion this fall. During the work session, Mayor Ron Payne brought the question concerning the state of the parkway, citing a goal by his administration to incorporate the Audubon Parkway as a spur of Interstate 69. McClearn stated that currently, the parkway is not up to Interstate standards, and that modifications have yet to be made to make the road interstate ready. There is currently an ongoing study by the Kentucky Department of Transportation to specify exactly where the Audubon Parkway falls short of Interstate standards, and to project costs of bringing the road’s condition to where it needs to be. Construction is currently anticipated to be completed in September
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on July 10, 2013, 10:43:35 PM
A little update on the potential I-369 spur route (Audubon Parkway to Owensboro)

http://surfky.com/index.php/communities/77-owensboro-news/34218-owensboro-city-commission-hears-from-transportation-cabinet

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In its monthly work session on Tuesday, the Owensboro City Commission heard a special report from Kentucky Department of Transportation District 2 Chief District Engineer Kevin McClearn concerning the state of road projects in the Owensboro and Daviess County area.
 
According to McClearn, efforts to maintain and renovate sections of the Audubon Parkway are underway at this time, with a projected completion this fall. During the work session, Mayor Ron Payne brought the question concerning the state of the parkway, citing a goal by his administration to incorporate the Audubon Parkway as a spur of Interstate 69. McClearn stated that currently, the parkway is not up to Interstate standards, and that modifications have yet to be made to make the road interstate ready. There is currently an ongoing study by the Kentucky Department of Transportation to specify exactly where the Audubon Parkway falls short of Interstate standards, and to project costs of bringing the road’s condition to where it needs to be. Construction is currently anticipated to be completed in September

No number for this road has been assigned. 169 makes more sense than 369.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on July 10, 2013, 11:57:37 PM
^ Maybe I-169 may be reserved in case a spur route is built further south? I don't know where another spur from I-69 would be needed at this time in Kentucky, but it may be their thinking. It also may be to keep from confusing from I-164 (even though that would be going away).
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on July 11, 2013, 07:06:02 AM
I am not sure I will live long enough to see it, but the southern half of the Pennyrile Pkwy could at some point be designated as I-169, since it would connect to I-24 at Hopkinsville.  Actually, I think there is a 69 spur designated somewhere in TN.  The number may be reserved for there.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on July 11, 2013, 07:10:15 AM
I am not sure I will live long enough to see it, but the southern half of the Pennyrile Pkwy could at some point be designated as I-169, since it would connect to I-24 at Hopkinsville.  Actually, I think there is a 69 spur designated somewhere in TN.  The number may be reserved for there.

I would think the rest of the Pennyrile Pkwy would get an even 3di since it isn't technically a spur. I think there was talk of TN 22 from Union City, TN to Martin, TN being designated as an I-69 spur.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rte66man on July 11, 2013, 08:12:52 AM
I am not sure I will live long enough to see it, but the southern half of the Pennyrile Pkwy could at some point be designated as I-169, since it would connect to I-24 at Hopkinsville.  Actually, I think there is a 69 spur designated somewhere in TN.  The number may be reserved for there.

I would think the rest of the Pennyrile Pkwy would get an even 3di since it isn't technically a spur. I think there was talk of TN 22 from Union City, TN to Martin, TN being designated as an I-69 spur.

How would they connect the NW end with the new I69?  The remaining part seems to be at or near interstate standards.

rte66man
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: english si on July 11, 2013, 10:15:28 AM
Will Owensboro get a second 3di down the Natcher Parkway when (well if) I-66 happens? :P
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mgk920 on July 11, 2013, 10:48:16 AM
I am not sure I will live long enough to see it, but the southern half of the Pennyrile Pkwy could at some point be designated as I-169, since it would connect to I-24 at Hopkinsville.  Actually, I think there is a 69 spur designated somewhere in TN.  The number may be reserved for there.

'I-41'

 :nod:

Mike
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on July 11, 2013, 11:05:41 AM
Will Owensboro get a second 3di down the Natcher Parkway when (well if) I-66 happens? :P

On behalf of KYTC, Palmer Engineering is finishing up a feasibility study that includes a cost estimate of upgrading the Natcher to a possible I-x65 (the linked article does mention I-66):

http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/local/report-on-road-work-due-in-march/article_a6210bdc-43ba-11e2-809e-001a4bcf887a.html
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: english si on July 11, 2013, 01:10:00 PM
Really, it should be one even 3di, but that won't happen as that is sensible...
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 11, 2013, 01:31:14 PM
All this interstate nonesense is nonsense.  If the plebs were able to travel prior to GPS and the internet, why the push now?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 11, 2013, 04:45:16 PM
All this interstate nonesense is nonsense.  If the plebs were able to travel prior to GPS and the internet, why the push now?

It's not a make it easier for regular travelers.  The push for expanding the Interstate SYSTEM to as many roads that meet standards as possible comes more from a Supply Chain and Logistics influence than anything else.

If you look at it from a Supply Chain and Logistics POV - there's plenty of good reasoning for it.  The other option is to have separate shields/designations for the NHS.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on July 12, 2013, 11:27:26 AM
All this interstate nonesense is nonsense.  If the plebs were able to travel prior to GPS and the internet, why the push now?

It's all about the marketing. If you're pushing a business location to someone, it means something to say, "Located adjacent to I-xx or I-xxx."

Compare that to saying, "Located adjacent to the Bluegrass Parkway, an Interstate-quality limited-access four-lane freeway."

Even though Kentucky's parkways are the functional equivalent of interstates, even if they don't meet some anal-retentive FHWA standard for signing and numbering as an Interstate highway like the median being two feet too narrow, locations along them aren't as marketable for industrial or economic development as a location along an Interstate.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 12, 2013, 11:42:56 AM
All this interstate nonesense is nonsense.  If the plebs were able to travel prior to GPS and the internet, why the push now?

It's all about the marketing. If you're pushing a business location to someone, it means something to say, "Located adjacent to I-xx or I-xxx."

Compare that to saying, "Located adjacent to the Bluegrass Parkway, an Interstate-quality limited-access four-lane freeway."

Even though Kentucky's parkways are the functional equivalent of interstates, even if they don't meet some anal-retentive FHWA standard for signing and numbering as an Interstate highway like the median being two feet too narrow, locations along them aren't as marketable for industrial or economic development as a location along an Interstate.

It's more than marketing.  Often overlooked is that the Interstate Highway System is a Network of limited access highways to standards that facilitate the best transport of goods and services.

This is why North Carolina had several different Interstate requests for a connection from Charlotte or Greensboro to Wilmington and Morehead City in the 1960s.  It eventually evolved to I-40 as we know it today.  It really is why Gov. Easley pushed for I-20 to be extended from Florence, SC to Wilmington.  I-20 would give the Port of Wilmington direct access to Atlanta allowing it to be more competitive with the Port of Charleston.

This is why the I-69 Corridor is called the NAFTA Corridor and with the Panama Canal Expansion Project this is why so many eastern states are trying to improve their ports and highway systems.

Suppliers & Manufacturers focus more on Interstates because they know the standards of the highway system will allow them to have the best mode of operations on a ground (truck) transport basis.  Yes, I know ARC corridors and even regular freeways handle it as well.

Does this mean I thin every freeway should be an Interstate of course not.  However, if it meets the standards and can be added/attached to the system - why not?  After all, it is a network of highways.

I understand that many don't like Interstate shields on every road but isn't no different than US Highways replacing the Lincoln Highway and The Yellowstone Trail and The Dixie Highway nearly a century ago?

Just imagine if they assigned numbers to the NHS - then many would say, "OH NO, the NHS is killing all the Interstate Numbers!"
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 12, 2013, 11:11:26 PM
^ Maybe I-169 may be reserved in case a spur route is built further south? I don't know where another spur from I-69 would be needed at this time in Kentucky, but it may be their thinking. It also may be to keep from confusing from I-164 (even though that would be going away).

I would think that the part of I-164 that isn't going to be taken over by I-69 might become an I-x69, most likely I-169.  That would explain why KY is going for I-369.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tvketchum on July 13, 2013, 08:58:54 AM
Kentucky could take a better step to marketing the parkways, if they carried US designations where a US route parallels, or a KY route number. The Audubon could be labeled US 60, with existing US 60 becoming a KY x60, or, call the Audubon a KY x69 and make the switch to an I x69 when or if upgrades are made.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tidecat on July 14, 2013, 10:04:05 AM
How long will the orphaned part of I-164 once I-69 is done?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: theline on July 14, 2013, 11:49:04 AM
^^ Just going from memory on the preferred location for the new bridge, my guess is "I-169" will run about 5 miles.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 23, 2013, 06:45:56 AM
^ Maybe I-169 may be reserved in case a spur route is built further south? I don't know where another spur from I-69 would be needed at this time in Kentucky, but it may be their thinking. It also may be to keep from confusing from I-164 (even though that would be going away).

I would think that the part of I-164 that isn't going to be taken over by I-69 might become an I-x69, most likely I-169.  That would explain why KY is going for I-369.

What's the likely jumping-off point for the new southerly extension of I-69 from existing I-164?  Green River Rd.?  That's going to leave a very short I-164, then a very short Veterans Parkway.  Maybe all that remainder ought to become Veterans Parkway rather than I-164 just to simplify things.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 23, 2013, 10:00:15 AM
I-381, I-175, I-375 are very short.  So is I-395 in Miami as well.  There are others out there as well.  Oh yeah don't forget about I-180 in Cheyenne, WY.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on July 23, 2013, 11:09:13 AM
What's the likely jumping-off point for the new southerly extension of I-69 from existing I-164?  Green River Rd.?

The Executive Summary of the 2004 Draft Environmental Impact Statement for I-69 between Evansville and Henderson (http://www.edrgroup.com/pdf/executive%20summary.pdf) identifies Alternative 2 as the Preferred Alternative (page 23/23 of pdf; page S-23 of document) and describes Alternative 2's Indiana approach as follows (page 11/23 of pdf):

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Alternative 2 utilizes the existing I-164 alignment from its northern terminus at I-64 in Warrick County, to just east of the Green River Road interchange and west of Angel Mounds State Memorial Site. From that location, the alternative leaves the existing I-164 alignment and heads south to cross the Ohio River immediately west of the mouth of the Green River.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on July 23, 2013, 11:47:45 AM
Yes, the general belief is that it will leave the current I-164 route somewhere just east of the Green River Road exit. That will leave approximately 3 miles between Green River Road and US 41. INDOT is supposedly considering relocating US 41 to the current I-164 route. If that happens, it will simply be US 41 in that section. If not, I would imagine it would just become Veterans Parkway. It seems silly to create a new route number for that short section of highway, and somewhat confusing to motorist as it would go from Veterans Parkway to a new 3di, to I-69 in about a 3 mile stretch.

I don't understand why INDOT doesn't go ahead and co-sign I-164 with 69 to at least the SR 662 exit, as it will certainly replace that much of the route. Go ahead and get people used to calling it I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on July 23, 2013, 02:16:40 PM
Yes, the general belief is that it will leave the current I-164 route somewhere just east of the Green River Road exit. That will leave approximately 3 miles between Green River Road and US 41. INDOT is supposedly considering relocating US 41 to the current I-164 route. If that happens, it will simply be US 41 in that section. If not, I would imagine it would just become Veterans Parkway. It seems silly to create a new route number for that short section of highway, and somewhat confusing to motorist as it would go from Veterans Parkway to a new 3di, to I-69 in about a 3 mile stretch.

I don't understand why INDOT doesn't go ahead and co-sign I-164 with 69 to at least the SR 662 exit, as it will certainly replace that much of the route. Go ahead and get people used to calling it I-69.

I thought that piece was going to be called i-169
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 23, 2013, 08:20:52 PM
I-381, I-175, I-375 are very short.  So is I-395 in Miami as well.  There are others out there as well.  Oh yeah don't forget about I-180 in Cheyenne, WY.

Don't forget I-579 as well.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 23, 2013, 09:37:23 PM
Yes, the general belief is that it will leave the current I-164 route somewhere just east of the Green River Road exit. That will leave approximately 3 miles between Green River Road and US 41. INDOT is supposedly considering relocating US 41 to the current I-164 route. If that happens, it will simply be US 41 in that section. If not, I would imagine it would just become Veterans Parkway. It seems silly to create a new route number for that short section of highway, and somewhat confusing to motorist as it would go from Veterans Parkway to a new 3di, to I-69 in about a 3 mile stretch.

I don't understand why INDOT doesn't go ahead and co-sign I-164 with 69 to at least the SR 662 exit, as it will certainly replace that much of the route. Go ahead and get people used to calling it I-69.

Wait, relocating 41 to the 164 remnant?  Using what routing?  41 is a pretty important commercial corridor in Henderson (though it remains to be seen what happens there after 69 bypasses it).  They're not removing the 41 bridges, are they?

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on July 23, 2013, 09:41:12 PM

Wait, relocating 41 to the 164 remnant?  Using what routing?  41 is a pretty important commercial corridor in Henderson (though it remains to be seen what happens there after 69 bypasses it).  They're not removing the 41 bridges, are they?

No, supposedly INDOT has floated the idea of re-routing US 41 from the north, east on I-64 to current I-164, down I-164 to where it joins US 41 on the south side of Evansville and turning the existing road through Evansville back to local.

I am sure the current bridges are safe for quite some time, Evansville-Hendo really needs two sets of bridges.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on July 23, 2013, 10:09:46 PM

Wait, relocating 41 to the 164 remnant?  Using what routing?  41 is a pretty important commercial corridor in Henderson (though it remains to be seen what happens there after 69 bypasses it).  They're not removing the 41 bridges, are they?

No, supposedly INDOT has floated the idea of re-routing US 41 from the north, east on I-64 to current I-164, down I-164 to where it joins US 41 on the south side of Evansville and turning the existing road through Evansville back to local.

I am sure the current bridges are safe for quite some time, Evansville-Hendo really needs two sets of bridges.

Those bridges aren't going anywhere, even if they reroute us 41
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 23, 2013, 11:43:12 PM

Wait, relocating 41 to the 164 remnant?  Using what routing?  41 is a pretty important commercial corridor in Henderson (though it remains to be seen what happens there after 69 bypasses it).  They're not removing the 41 bridges, are they?

No, supposedly INDOT has floated the idea of re-routing US 41 from the north, east on I-64 to current I-164, down I-164 to where it joins US 41 on the south side of Evansville and turning the existing road through Evansville back to local.

I am sure the current bridges are safe for quite some time, Evansville-Hendo really needs two sets of bridges.

Interesting.  I don't think 41 gets much use as a through route between 64 and 164 so I can see how it wouldn't affect things much, though it seems like an excessive move just to get 41 onto that sliver of remaining 164.  By comparison, leaving that stub 164 (or making it an an unsigned Interstate with the Veterans Parkway name) seems less involved.

I think it's helpful to have the airport on a major regional highway (it's on 41 currently) and that might be my biggest reason for keeping 41 through there.

Is there an Indiana 23?  If not, 41 could be renumbered IN-23 there in honor of Eville native Don Mattingly.  "The Mattingly" has so much nicer a ring to it than "the Lloyd."
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 24, 2013, 12:10:45 AM
How about BUS SPUR I-69?  Or make it BY-PASS US 41
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on July 24, 2013, 12:32:42 AM
I-69W.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: cabiness42 on July 24, 2013, 07:46:04 AM

Wait, relocating 41 to the 164 remnant?  Using what routing?  41 is a pretty important commercial corridor in Henderson (though it remains to be seen what happens there after 69 bypasses it).  They're not removing the 41 bridges, are they?

No, supposedly INDOT has floated the idea of re-routing US 41 from the north, east on I-64 to current I-164, down I-164 to where it joins US 41 on the south side of Evansville and turning the existing road through Evansville back to local.

I am sure the current bridges are safe for quite some time, Evansville-Hendo really needs two sets of bridges.

Interesting.  I don't think 41 gets much use as a through route between 64 and 164 so I can see how it wouldn't affect things much, though it seems like an excessive move just to get 41 onto that sliver of remaining 164.  By comparison, leaving that stub 164 (or making it an an unsigned Interstate with the Veterans Parkway name) seems less involved.

I think it's helpful to have the airport on a major regional highway (it's on 41 currently) and that might be my biggest reason for keeping 41 through there.

Is there an Indiana 23?  If not, 41 could be renumbered IN-23 there in honor of Eville native Don Mattingly.  "The Mattingly" has so much nicer a ring to it than "the Lloyd."

Yes, there is an IN-23 in St. Joseph and Starke counties
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on July 24, 2013, 01:58:53 PM
They're not removing the 41 bridges, are they?

The bridges belong to Kentucky, since at that point the state line is north of the Ohio River and the entirety of the spans is in the Bluegrass State.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on July 24, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
How about BUS SPUR I-69?  Or make it BY-PASS US 41

highly doubt both, Indiana never uses business routes (only cities do) and very rarely use bypass routes.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: dirtroad66 on July 24, 2013, 05:47:42 PM
I know quite a few people who take us 41 instead of I 164. Does anyone know if the proposed bridge will go over the green river also or is the bridge to the west of the confluence.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 24, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
I usually take US 41 in lieu of I-164 over to I-64 then back to US 41.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: theline on July 25, 2013, 01:02:25 PM
Does anyone know if the proposed bridge will go over the green river also or is the bridge to the I west of the confluence.

The answer you seek, my friend, is just upthread. To save you the trouble, I'll quote it here (emphasis added):
What's the likely jumping-off point for the new southerly extension of I-69 from existing I-164?  Green River Rd.?

The Executive Summary of the 2004 Draft Environmental Impact Statement for I-69 between Evansville and Henderson (http://www.edrgroup.com/pdf/executive%20summary.pdf) identifies Alternative 2 as the Preferred Alternative (page 23/23 of pdf; page S-23 of document) and describes Alternative 2's Indiana approach as follows (page 11/23 of pdf):

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Alternative 2 utilizes the existing I-164 alignment from its northern terminus at I-64 in Warrick County, to just east of the Green River Road interchange and west of Angel Mounds State Memorial Site. From that location, the alternative leaves the existing I-164 alignment and heads south to cross the Ohio River immediately west of the mouth of the Green River.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on July 25, 2013, 09:24:25 PM
I always thought it odd that there's a Green River Road in Indiana, since the Green River is a Kentucky stream that empties into the Ohio just upstream of Evansville/Henderson and downstream of Owensboro.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on July 27, 2013, 12:43:37 AM
I always thought it odd that there's a Green River Road in Indiana, since the Green River is a Kentucky stream that empties into the Ohio just upstream of Evansville/Henderson and downstream of Owensboro.

Evansville's Green River Road is a north/south road that ends pretty well directly across the Ohio from where the Green empties into it.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 27, 2013, 04:55:02 AM
I always thought it odd that there's a Green River Road in Indiana, since the Green River is a Kentucky stream that empties into the Ohio just upstream of Evansville/Henderson and downstream of Owensboro.

Well, Old Henderson Rd also only goes across the river from Henderson.   
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on August 16, 2013, 08:06:24 PM
This article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/aug/16/interstate-69-conference-to-focus-on-impacts-on/) reports that there will be a daylong conference, “I-69: Our Road to the Future”, on October 15 in Madisonville.  Many of Kentucky's foremost politicians have been invited to speak, but I am intrigued by what type of spin the Tennessee DOT representative will put on Tennessee's progress:

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“I-69: Our Road to the Future” will take place Tuesday, Oct. 15 at the Ballard Convention Center, 605 E. Arch St., in Madisonville ....
Local, state and regional infrastructure and economic development experts will address the expectations, opportunities and concerns regarding the development of a new interstate highway. Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear, U.S. senators Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul and U.S. Rep. Ed Whitfield are among the invited speakers.
Representatives of the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet and the departments of transportation in Tennessee and Indiana will provide updates on the road’s construction in all three states.

“I-69 is coming to Kentucky, and in some cases it’s already here, so cities and counties all along its path need to be thinking right now about how it will impact them,” Lee Lingo, president of the Madisonville-Hopkins County Chamber of Commerce and a staff member of C-LINK, said in a statement.
“This conference is designed to give local elected officials, economic developers, chamber members, business leaders and transportation advocates information and perspective on how I-69 could benefit their communities and what issues they should be considering,” Lingo said. “I-69 is going to be a reality in our state, so as a region we need to start thinking about how we can best leverage this new connection Kentucky will have to the rest of the country.”
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Revive 755 on August 21, 2013, 09:11:49 PM
Found this in the I-24 interchange with the Purchase Parkway the other day:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img191/8898/pkvb.jpg)

There's an End North I-69/Begin Western Kentucky Parkway sign of similar design at the interchange with the Pennyrile Parkway.


As to earlier discussion in this thread regarding US 41 across Indiana, it is a great example of how not to build or maintain an expressway.  A pity IDOT didn't and will not upgrade IL 1 to provide a rival facility.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mukade on August 21, 2013, 09:54:45 PM
As to earlier discussion in this thread regarding US 41 across Indiana, it is a great example of how not to build or maintain an expressway.  A pity IDOT didn't and will not upgrade IL 1 to provide a rival facility.

Are you kidding me? IL 1 from Crete to Danville and from I-70 south is very desolate, and an upgrade never made sense. Also, there is the fact that Illinois is nearly bankrupt, and an IL 1 upgrade would be far from the top of the list of needs there. The US 41/SR 63 corridor in Indiana is adequate and is really only bad in Terre Haute. When SR 641 is done, it will be the four miles from I-70 north to SR 63 that are awful.

In Evansville, I-164 is four miles east and is the primary north-south highway built to bypass US 41. There is no need to upgrade this part of US 41, IMO.

So taking US 41/SR 63 from I-64 to the proposed Illiana Expressway, except for Terre Haute is far from the worst expressway. It is generally a pretty enjoyable drive that has approximately 18 interchanges.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Revive 755 on August 21, 2013, 10:26:38 PM
^ I don't have a problem with I-164 over US 41, although I-164 should really be posted at 65 instead of 60 for most of its route.  I have a problem with the numerous stoplights and areas where the already low speed limit falls on US 41.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mukade on August 21, 2013, 10:55:51 PM
^ I don't have a problem with I-164 over US 41, although I-164 should really be posted at 65 instead of 60 for most of its route.  I have a problem with the numerous stoplights and areas where the already low speed limit falls on US 41.

Agreed that US 41 has a couple of annoying slowdowns due to stoplights and one massively annoying one, but all in all:
1) the corridor comprised of I-164, US 41, SR 641, and SR 63 is not bad
2) the general population density in eastern Illinois and western Indiana is low so a nearby parallel expressway is not needed

I thought I-164 was posted at 70 for most of its length. Google maps street view (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=i-164&hl=en&ll=38.158987,-87.472736&spn=0.000539,0.001155&sll=40.47676,-86.137878&sspn=0.132405,0.295601&t=h&hnear=County+Road+E+164+S,+Union,+Howard,+Indiana+46936&z=20&layer=c&cbll=38.158987,-87.472736&panoid=dDIiPqxZeW3Ddu2_RdUPWw&cbp=12,190.14,,0,13.51)

US 41 and SR 63 are primarily posted at 60.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on August 22, 2013, 12:45:16 AM
My experiences on US 41 between I-70 and I-64 are that the route is perfectly adequate for the amount of traffic it carries and the area it serves. Not everything has to be an interstate, and the existing US 41 is perfectly fine.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Henry on August 22, 2013, 01:27:29 PM
My experiences on US 41 between I-70 and I-64 are that the route is perfectly adequate for the amount of traffic it carries and the area it serves. Not everything has to be an interstate, and the existing US 41 is perfectly fine.
Try telling that to the ones who wanted I-69 in Terre Haute!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Brandon on August 22, 2013, 02:22:16 PM
My experiences on US 41 between I-70 and I-64 are that the route is perfectly adequate for the amount of traffic it carries and the area it serves. Not everything has to be an interstate, and the existing US 41 is perfectly fine.
Try telling that to the ones who wanted I-69 in Terre Haute!

Wouldn't that be a certain group of people in Bloomington, Indiana (who still seem to have not gotten it yet)?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on August 22, 2013, 04:18:55 PM
the us 41 routing of 69 was a stupid idea
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Revive 755 on August 22, 2013, 10:53:18 PM
I thought I-164 was posted at 70 for most of its length. Google maps street view (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=i-164&hl=en&ll=38.158987,-87.472736&spn=0.000539,0.001155&sll=40.47676,-86.137878&sspn=0.132405,0.295601&t=h&hnear=County+Road+E+164+S,+Union,+Howard,+Indiana+46936&z=20&layer=c&cbll=38.158987,-87.472736&panoid=dDIiPqxZeW3Ddu2_RdUPWw&cbp=12,190.14,,0,13.51)

There's still a long section posted at 60:
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=38.007136,-87.468166&spn=0.01432,0.033023&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.006862,-87.468106&panoid=gG4U_5LQ-ZogNmFO0aoSpQ&cbp=12,185.96,,0,10.7 (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=38.007136,-87.468166&spn=0.01432,0.033023&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.006862,-87.468106&panoid=gG4U_5LQ-ZogNmFO0aoSpQ&cbp=12,185.96,,0,10.7)


My experiences on US 41 between I-70 and I-64 are that the route is perfectly adequate for the amount of traffic it carries and the area it serves. Not everything has to be an interstate, and the existing US 41 is perfectly fine.

I would agree if there weren't 24 stoplights and 3 at-grade railroad crossings.

Between I-64 and the future Illiana interchange, I count 43 stoplights (25 of them in Terre Haute, the total will be 45 with the Illiana interchange), and 7 at-grade railroad crossings (two in Terre Haute)
Map showing location of stoplights and railroad crossings on US 41 (https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200204648507496438495.0004e4937bc83e2cdd403&msa=0&ll=39.787434,-85.534058&spn=3.591847,8.453979)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mukade on August 22, 2013, 11:29:03 PM
My experiences on US 41 between I-70 and I-64 are that the route is perfectly adequate for the amount of traffic it carries and the area it serves. Not everything has to be an interstate, and the existing US 41 is perfectly fine.

I would agree if there weren't 24 stoplights and 3 at-grade railroad crossings.

Between I-64 and the future Illiana interchange, I count 43 stoplights (25 of them in Terre Haute, the total will be 45 with the Illiana interchange), and 7 at-grade railroad crossings (two in Terre Haute)
Map showing location of stoplights and railroad crossings on US 41 (https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200204648507496438495.0004e4937bc83e2cdd403&msa=0&ll=39.787434,-85.534058&spn=3.591847,8.453979)


I don't care for the expression "perfectly adequate", but US 41 is mostly adequate - except for Terre Haute as stated several times. When SR 641 opens, that will eliminate 8 or 9. The map looks about right except I don't think SR 56 has a light. So a traffic light every 10 miles or so outside of Terre Haute, right? Not awful.

I've never seen a train at any crossing on 41. US 31 between Indy and South Bend also has at least three RR crossings, but one will disappear soon. Still, these are not busy lines, but I agree I wish they were gone.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: cabiness42 on August 23, 2013, 07:41:55 AM
My experiences on US 41 between I-70 and I-64 are that the route is perfectly adequate for the amount of traffic it carries and the area it serves. Not everything has to be an interstate, and the existing US 41 is perfectly fine.

I would agree if there weren't 24 stoplights and 3 at-grade railroad crossings.

Between I-64 and the future Illiana interchange, I count 43 stoplights (25 of them in Terre Haute, the total will be 45 with the Illiana interchange), and 7 at-grade railroad crossings (two in Terre Haute)
Map showing location of stoplights and railroad crossings on US 41 (https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200204648507496438495.0004e4937bc83e2cdd403&msa=0&ll=39.787434,-85.534058&spn=3.591847,8.453979)


I don't care for the expression "perfectly adequate", but US 41 is mostly adequate - except for Terre Haute as stated several times. When SR 641 opens, that will eliminate 8 or 9. The map looks about right except I don't think SR 56 has a light. So a traffic light every 10 miles or so outside of Terre Haute, right? Not awful.

I've never seen a train at any crossing on 41. US 31 between Indy and South Bend also has at least three RR crossings, but one will disappear soon. Still, these are not busy lines, but I agree I wish they were gone.

US 31 has a crossing south of Plymouth near 14th road and north of Tipton near 100 S.  Where's the third one?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on August 23, 2013, 03:45:41 PM
I could count the number of signals and railroad crossings on US 23 between Asheville and Columbus, too, but so what? The US 23 corridor is fine as it is (bypasses of downtown Ashland and Portsmouth would be nice, however). Same with US 41. I've driven all the way from Terre Haute to Evansville once, between Evansville and Vincennes or Vincennes and Terre Haute a few times, and had no issues. The route adequately moves the traffic that's on it with no major delays, as does the above-referenced US 23.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mukade on August 23, 2013, 05:45:16 PM

I've never seen a train at any crossing on 41. US 31 between Indy and South Bend also has at least three RR crossings, but one will disappear soon. Still, these are not busy lines, but I agree I wish they were gone.

US 31 has a crossing south of Plymouth near 14th road and north of Tipton near 100 S.  Where's the third one?

In Kokomo by Menards. The one south of Lincoln Rd. is supposed to return as well, but by then, it won't be US 31 anymore.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mukade on August 23, 2013, 05:48:01 PM
I could count the number of signals and railroad crossings on US 23 between Asheville and Columbus, too, but so what? The US 23 corridor is fine as it is (bypasses of downtown Ashland and Portsmouth would be nice, however). Same with US 41. I've driven all the way from Terre Haute to Evansville once, between Evansville and Vincennes or Vincennes and Terre Haute a few times, and had no issues. The route adequately moves the traffic that's on it with no major delays, as does the above-referenced US 23.

It is adequate. It isn't perfectly adequate because of the clusters of lights in Terre Haute, Princeton, and Evansville. You definitely can have significant delays in Terre Haute.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: cabiness42 on August 23, 2013, 06:14:27 PM

I've never seen a train at any crossing on 41. US 31 between Indy and South Bend also has at least three RR crossings, but one will disappear soon. Still, these are not busy lines, but I agree I wish they were gone.

US 31 has a crossing south of Plymouth near 14th road and north of Tipton near 100 S.  Where's the third one?

In Kokomo by Menards. The one south of Lincoln Rd. is supposed to return as well, but by then, it won't be US 31 anymore.

I never realized that was still an active line.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mukade on August 23, 2013, 06:21:57 PM

I've never seen a train at any crossing on 41. US 31 between Indy and South Bend also has at least three RR crossings, but one will disappear soon. Still, these are not busy lines, but I agree I wish they were gone.

US 31 has a crossing south of Plymouth near 14th road and north of Tipton near 100 S.  Where's the third one?

In Kokomo by Menards. The one south of Lincoln Rd. is supposed to return as well, but by then, it won't be US 31 anymore.

I never realized that was still an active line.

Article: Rail deal to reopen 12 miles of track  (http://kokomotribune.com/local/x354172765/Rail-deal-to-reopen-12-miles-of-track)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 23, 2013, 11:33:40 PM
Didn't they have a bunch of BUS US 41 routes at one time or another?  I seem to remember seeing those back in the 80's to 90's.  I convinced my family to drive US 41 to Chicago in lieu of I-65 and we went that way ever since back in the day.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on August 25, 2013, 09:22:42 AM
Didn't they have a bunch of BUS US 41 routes at one time or another?  I seem to remember seeing those back in the 80's to 90's.  I convinced my family to drive US 41 to Chicago in lieu of I-65 and we went that way ever since back in the day.

There were a few in Evansville, but they were taken down last year.  In vincennes, there are a few still up. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on August 26, 2013, 01:32:49 AM
There is still a few in Evansville. I noticed them both just north and south of Morgan Avenue on Fares Ave. Admittedly, there aren't very many left.

When US 41 was relocated in the early 70's, many of the motels and gas stations were still adequate and dependent on the traveler for business, which made designating the old route as Business 41 practical. Now, there really aren't any service stations relying on travelers on this route, and I can't imagine anyone passing through town staying at any of the motels on the old route. I am sure they are all just flop houses or hourly rate beds.

Another note, since the Lloyd Expressway blocked Kentucky Avenue, the old US 41 route isn't even complete through Evansville any longer. Kind of hard to have a business route/loop when it isn't even complete from end to end.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on August 26, 2013, 01:45:32 AM
Somehow "Business 41" became a neighborhood name in Evansville in some database.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22business+41%22+evansville
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 27, 2013, 10:34:12 PM
Speaking of Evansville, what does this mean?  http://goo.gl/maps/FOQOO (http://goo.gl/maps/FOQOO)

Is this a google maps thing?

West State Route 62 [P](~4 segments)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on August 27, 2013, 10:57:02 PM
West State Route 62 [P](~4 segments)
It's no Quebec Route 366.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on August 28, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
There is still a few in Evansville. I noticed them both just north and south of Morgan Avenue on Fares Ave. Admittedly, there aren't very many left.

When US 41 was relocated in the early 70's, many of the motels and gas stations were still adequate and dependent on the traveler for business, which made designating the old route as Business 41 practical. Now, there really aren't any service stations relying on travelers on this route, and I can't imagine anyone passing through town staying at any of the motels on the old route. I am sure they are all just flop houses or hourly rate beds.

Another note, since the Lloyd Expressway blocked Kentucky Avenue, the old US 41 route isn't even complete through Evansville any longer. Kind of hard to have a business route/loop when it isn't even complete from end to end.

Can't speak to Fares, but Kentucky Ave has lost most of its traveler-oriented stuff.  A few flophouse motels, as you say, and a handful of rundown restaurants and low-end car lots.  It's funny to just look at the lot sizes along it and compare them to the much larger swaths taken up by comparable newer developments in town.  A new gas station in that area takes up more room than the parcels those old motels sit on.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on August 28, 2013, 07:47:12 PM
Speaking of Evansville, what does this mean?  http://goo.gl/maps/FOQOO (http://goo.gl/maps/FOQOO)

Is this a google maps thing?

West State Route 62 [P](~4 segments)
likely an error on google's part
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on August 28, 2013, 07:55:26 PM
I got my engine replaced at a shop just off of Fares a year and a half ago, which is old US 41 north of the Lloyd (Division St. for us old timers).  I can testify that the pavement on old 41 is in bad shape and the buildings and land uses are not what I could call highway oriented.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on August 29, 2013, 12:18:07 AM
There is still a few in Evansville. I noticed them both just north and south of Morgan Avenue on Fares Ave. Admittedly, there aren't very many left.

When US 41 was relocated in the early 70's, many of the motels and gas stations were still adequate and dependent on the traveler for business, which made designating the old route as Business 41 practical. Now, there really aren't any service stations relying on travelers on this route, and I can't imagine anyone passing through town staying at any of the motels on the old route. I am sure they are all just flop houses or hourly rate beds.

Another note, since the Lloyd Expressway blocked Kentucky Avenue, the old US 41 route isn't even complete through Evansville any longer. Kind of hard to have a business route/loop when it isn't even complete from end to end.

Can't speak to Fares, but Kentucky Ave has lost most of its traveler-oriented stuff.  A few flophouse motels, as you say, and a handful of rundown restaurants and low-end car lots.  It's funny to just look at the lot sizes along it and compare them to the much larger swaths taken up by comparable newer developments in town.  A new gas station in that area takes up more room than the parcels those old motels sit on.

Yep, Kentucky Avenue is pretty well a ghost town. It doesn't help that the area is pretty bad around it. The area around North Fares isn't much better, but many of the motels still remain on that section. None are recommended unless you are looking for some paid companionship. I would hate to think of the impression of Evansville someone would have if they were passing through and decided to drive along old 41.

With that said, The Merry Go Round Restaurant on North Fares continues to be one of the best diners in Evansville. It still has the same decor as it did when US 41 ran in front, clean, with great food and a good price.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on August 29, 2013, 12:42:07 AM
I would hate to think of the impression of Evansville someone would have if they were passing through and decided to drive along old 41.
You can always use Old State Road/Stringtown Road. It was never US 41 but was presumably the main road at one time.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on August 29, 2013, 09:06:05 PM
I would hate to think of the impression of Evansville someone would have if they were passing through and decided to drive along old 41.
You can always use Old State Road/Stringtown Road. It was never US 41 but was presumably the main road at one time.

I am not sure if it ever carried a 41 shield, but it was officially known as Dixie Bee Road. There is a neighborhood built in the early 20's just north of Maxwell called Dixie Bee, and the brick enterance post is still standing, with Dixie Bee Road engraved across the top.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 29, 2013, 11:02:02 PM
So was Darmstadt Rd the old US 41?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on August 29, 2013, 11:46:00 PM
So was Darmstadt Rd the old US 41?
No; Biz 41 was. http://bl-libg-doghill.ads.iu.edu/gm-web/imdb/inhwy1927.pdf (note the Evansville inset at left, and that several streets have been renamed)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on August 30, 2013, 12:21:48 AM
So was Darmstadt Rd the old US 41?
No; Biz 41 was. http://bl-libg-doghill.ads.iu.edu/gm-web/imdb/inhwy1927.pdf (note the Evansville inset at left, and that several streets have been renamed)

Neat map! That clarifies that Stringtown never carried the 41 shield. Ross Avenue is now Willow Road. The section from Columbia to Morgan is still there, however, north of Morgan, Ross/Willow is under the current 41. Not sure the exact year that 41 was moved over to the Fares Avenue alignment. I have a '37 map which still shows it on the Ross Avenue route. My guess is sometime in the early 40's.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on August 31, 2013, 01:03:04 AM
There is still a few in Evansville. I noticed them both just north and south of Morgan Avenue on Fares Ave. Admittedly, there aren't very many left.

When US 41 was relocated in the early 70's, many of the motels and gas stations were still adequate and dependent on the traveler for business, which made designating the old route as Business 41 practical. Now, there really aren't any service stations relying on travelers on this route, and I can't imagine anyone passing through town staying at any of the motels on the old route. I am sure they are all just flop houses or hourly rate beds.

Another note, since the Lloyd Expressway blocked Kentucky Avenue, the old US 41 route isn't even complete through Evansville any longer. Kind of hard to have a business route/loop when it isn't even complete from end to end.

Can't speak to Fares, but Kentucky Ave has lost most of its traveler-oriented stuff.  A few flophouse motels, as you say, and a handful of rundown restaurants and low-end car lots.  It's funny to just look at the lot sizes along it and compare them to the much larger swaths taken up by comparable newer developments in town.  A new gas station in that area takes up more room than the parcels those old motels sit on.

Yep, Kentucky Avenue is pretty well a ghost town. It doesn't help that the area is pretty bad around it. The area around North Fares isn't much better, but many of the motels still remain on that section. None are recommended unless you are looking for some paid companionship. I would hate to think of the impression of Evansville someone would have if they were passing through and decided to drive along old 41.

With that said, The Merry Go Round Restaurant on North Fares continues to be one of the best diners in Evansville. It still has the same decor as it did when US 41 ran in front, clean, with great food and a good price.

Drifting ever further off topic, is the Merry Go Round connected to the Carousel off Green River Rd?  They seem similar (though the Merry Go Round seems a little less disused-office-y than the Carousel.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on September 02, 2013, 12:29:29 AM
Off topic when it pertains to food is always alright with me..lol.

The Carousel was previously The Merry Go Round East. From what I understand, I think some employees bought it from the owners of the Merry Go Round and renamed it The Carousel. The building originally housed a Bonanza Steakhouse for many years.

The food at the Carousel is good and is indeed very similar to the Merry Go Round. You just don't get that old time highway feel that you get at the Merry Go Round.

I drove both sections of Business 41 the other day. I think the Merry Go Round, Roca Bar and House of Como are the last three businesses on the entire stretch still doing what they did when the highway used that route. Most of the motels are still there, but I think every single one of them have changed their name, and they aren't servicing the same clientele they did back then.
Title: "Southern" Pennyrile As I-x69?
Post by: Grzrd on September 27, 2013, 03:06:51 PM
This article (http://wkms.org/post/pennyrile-parkway-receiving-study-possible-interstate-i-69-designation) reports that KYTC is studying the possibility of making the southern 38 miles of the Breathitt/Pennyrile Parkway (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=36.994711~-87.453358&lvl=10&dir=0&sty=h&q=henderson%20ky&form=LMLTCC) part of the I-69 Corridor:

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The Edward T. Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway might be getting a new designation, as the Interstate 69 project gains momentum.
The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet is currently conducting a study to determine whether the southern portion of the parkway could possibly receive Interstate status. A similar study has already been conducted on the northern portion, which is now considered a future I-69 corridor ....
The KYTC is analyzing the parkway infrastructure and determining if it’s suitable for Interstate designation. Hendricks estimates the study should take another eight months.
The southern portion of the Pennyrile Parkway runs about 38 miles, south of the Western Kentucky Parkway interchange all the way to I-24.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on September 27, 2013, 03:22:55 PM
Not part of the I-69 corridor...
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: SFPredsFan on September 27, 2013, 03:25:19 PM
I haven't driven the Pennyrile in years but it would be a logical addition as an even numbered X24 or X69 since it would connect 2 Interstates. I know the Hopkinsville bypass that was just completed is up to Interstate standards but not sure about the section to I-69 and Western Kentucky Parkway. In any case KyDOT wouldn't have to do much to get that part up to date if they need to.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on September 27, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
Not part of the I-69 corridor...

Agreed that it is not part of the statutory I-69 corridor.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: andy on September 27, 2013, 03:41:44 PM
I think there are some uses of the term "corridor" which applies to some distance either side of the actual road.  I'm 20 miles away and considered to be within the "corridor" for some studies.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: SFPredsFan on September 27, 2013, 03:43:17 PM
Not part of the I-69 corridor...

Agreed that it is not part of the statutory I-69 corridor.

Why not? The Audubon Parkway is going to be an X69 spur, so why wouldn't the southern Pennyrile since it would connect I-69 and I-24?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on September 27, 2013, 04:05:57 PM
Not part of the I-69 corridor...
Agreed that it is not part of the statutory I-69 corridor.

Why not? The Audubon Parkway is going to be an X69 spur, so why wouldn't the southern Pennyrile since it would connect I-69 and I-24?

"I-69 Corridor" is commonly understood to mean the statutory descriptions for High Priority Corridors 18 and 20 (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm), and NE2 is correct in pointing out that the southern Pennyrile is not included in those statutory descriptions.

That said, I think that, if the southern Pennyrile were designated as an I-x69, you would also be correct in asserting that I-x69 could legitimately be described as a non-statutory addition to the I-69 Corridor "system" in Kentucky (as indicated by the "x69" number), even though it would not be part of the Congressional description. This would be analogous to how the Alliance for I-69 Texas views I-2, not a part of the statutory corridor, as being part of the Texas I-69 "system".
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Indyroads on September 27, 2013, 06:13:44 PM
Not part of the I-69 corridor...

Agreed that it is not part of the statutory I-69 corridor.

Why not? The Audubon Parkway is going to be an X69 spur, so why wouldn't the southern Pennyrile since it would connect I-69 and I-24?

That is something I have already proposed on my site. It makes sense that it would become an x69 spur. I have proposed I-269 as the suggested route number for this route.

Also what about the rest of the WK parkway. (and the BG pky) could it become I-58 ending at I-75/64 on Lexington KY. that would make sense since 99% of the roadway already exists and would only need minor improvements to bring it up to interstate standards. Plus a gap closure project at Lexington to connect it to I-75
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Alps on September 27, 2013, 08:14:26 PM
I think there are some uses of the term "corridor" which applies to some distance either side of the actual road.  I'm 20 miles away and considered to be within the "corridor" for some studies.

It's even better as an engineer. I've used the word "corridor" to refer to "the given route between the two ends of the study area" as well as "every road in the study area within X miles of the route in question", and everything betwee.
Title: Re: "Southern" Pennyrile As I-x69?
Post by: mgk920 on September 27, 2013, 11:06:45 PM
This article (http://wkms.org/post/pennyrile-parkway-receiving-study-possible-interstate-i-69-designation) reports that KYTC is studying the possibility of making the southern 38 miles of the Breathitt/Pennyrile Parkway (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=36.994711~-87.453358&lvl=10&dir=0&sty=h&q=henderson%20ky&form=LMLTCC) part of the I-69 Corridor:

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The Edward T. Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway might be getting a new designation, as the Interstate 69 project gains momentum.
The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet is currently conducting a study to determine whether the southern portion of the parkway could possibly receive Interstate status. A similar study has already been conducted on the northern portion, which is now considered a future I-69 corridor ....
The KYTC is analyzing the parkway infrastructure and determining if it’s suitable for Interstate designation. Hendricks estimates the study should take another eight months.
The southern portion of the Pennyrile Parkway runs about 38 miles, south of the Western Kentucky Parkway interchange all the way to I-24.

'I-41'?

 :hmmm:

 :spin:

MIke
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: froggie on September 28, 2013, 01:04:39 AM
I'd rather the whole of the Pennyrile become a rerouted US 41, but that's straying into Fictional territory.  KYTC could sign it as US 41 "today", whereas any Interstate signs (other than "Future") would require some notable upgrades to the existing freeway.  I've driven it.  It's not Interstate standard, especially the loop-only interchanges at the old mainline tollbooths.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 28, 2013, 08:25:04 AM
Bing maps show part of the Pennyrile pkwy in Hopkinsville between Exit 7 and Exit 12 marked as "Truck US-41".

Also Bing still show US-41 taking the Pennyrile pkwy between Nortonville and Madisonville like it did in the past instead of taking the alignement who was once known as ALT US-41.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on September 28, 2013, 10:54:40 AM
I'd rather the whole of the Pennyrile become a rerouted US 41, but that's straying into Fictional territory.  KYTC could sign it as US 41 "today", whereas any Interstate signs (other than "Future") would require some notable upgrades to the existing freeway.  I've driven it.  It's not Interstate standard, especially the loop-only interchanges at the old mainline tollbooths.

I know the loop interchange at Sebree is planned to be replaced as part of the I-69 conversion within the next two years. Such has been the case along the former WK stretch. I am sure the other one at Hopkinsville would be converted as well with any plan to number this as an interstate.

As I have posted before, if they are going to do this, instead of another 3-di from Nortonville to Hopkinsville, I would like to see it get a 2-di from Evansville to at least the 24 interchange, if not on to Nashville...for example, I-61. It would be co-signed with 69 for part, and would eliminate confusion on the Evansville-Nashville route. If that section goes 3-di, you would have at least 3 numbers on a 150 mile route that was served by US 41. It would also leave the door open to continue it north at some point toward Terre Haute and Chicago.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on September 28, 2013, 11:02:38 PM
Bing maps show part of the Pennyrile pkwy in Hopkinsville between Exit 7 and Exit 12 marked as "Truck US-41".

I believe it's still signed like that as well.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on October 16, 2013, 08:21:36 AM
This article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/aug/16/interstate-69-conference-to-focus-on-impacts-on/) reports that there will be a daylong conference, “I-69: Our Road to the Future”, on October 15 in Madisonville.  Many of Kentucky's foremost politicians have been invited to speak ...

This Messenger-Inquirer article (behind paywall) (http://www.messenger-inquirer.com/news/local/article_b1c6d8d0-7d89-5c5c-bd3d-877aa172a412.html?success=1?success=2) reports that Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear spoke at the I-69 Development Conference:

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.... Improvements to bring the roadways up to interstate standards in the amount of $146.6 million will be made on seven interchanges in Henderson, Webster, Hopkins, Marshall and Graves counties by 2018, Beshear said. 
"These old interchanges have small ramps made for toll booths — not for merging in at 70 mile-per-hour traffic." he said.
The Dawson Springs interchange was the first to be rebuilt. A ceremony marking the start of construction took place in December.
The next interchange set for construction is located in Mortons Gap.The governor said officials with the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet have sought bids for the project and hope to have the job under contract by December.
"We will continue to push ahead,"said Beshear. "We believe in the importance of I-69." ....
By the time he is out of office in December 2015, construction on I-69 will be so far along there will be no other choice but to make sure the project is completed, Beshear said.

It is interesting that Beshear wants to be partially remembered as the Kentucky bookend counterpart to former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels in terms of making I-69 an inevitable proposition for his state.

The I-69 Ohio River Bridge is briefly mentioned in the article, but (unike the article in this post (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3245.msg253038#msg253038)) no mention is made of the new BridgeLink initiative:

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The Ohio River crossing connecting Henderson to Evansville is currently not up to interstate standards and will also require upgrades. Plans call for a bridge to be constructed that would lead traffic around the east side of Henderson and connect with what is now the Pennyrile Parkway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on October 18, 2013, 11:09:53 AM
http://surfky.com/index.php/news/local/hopkins/39358--kydot-district-engineer-presents-road-work-updates

Another update  from this week

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Kentucky Transportation District 2 Engineer Kevin McClearn presented an update to projects around Kentucky during a recent Madisonville Rotary Club meeting.
 
McClearn told the Rotarians that Kentucky spends almost $1 billion each year on roads and highways (maintenance, upgrades and new projects) with a major portion of it in District 2. The District has the most roads (3,300 miles), the most four-lane roads, the most bridges, the most employees (270) and the fourth largest population.
 
McClearn said that he is working on placement of I-69 shields as quickly as possible. He has five current projects ongoing to get the roadways up to interstate standards, he said.
 
“We have 38 miles of the old Western Kentucky Parkway from old MP 0 to MP 38 designated as I-69…at a cost about $10 million,” said McClearn. “And, with I-24, another 17 miles of I-69 is official.”
 
The I-69 transition at the WKP to Pennyrile Parkway “will be a transportation feature you don’t see in Hopkins County very often,” he said referring to the engineering rendering in the photo.
 
The “Design Build” is unique and a quicker process, said McClearn. He expects to see action on it next spring. Drivers will be able to negotiate the turn without using the current ramps and cloverleaf.
 
“You will be able to make the turn from either direction at 70 miles per hour,” said McClearn.
 
Other improvements planned next spring include the Pennyrile Parkway to Henderson and the Mortons Gap interchange will see a total rebuild, he said.
 
 “This will be a large undertaking and will be late in 2014 before the project will be let,” he said.
 
McClearn said putting up the I69 shields will increase visibility for Madisonville.
 
“Total cost for I-69 in Kentucky will be $146,000,000,” he said. “The goal is to get the I-69 shields up and Madisonville can advertise that we are now on an interstate.”
 
The number does not include a bridge near Henderson. McClearn estimates the Ohio River Bridge for I-69 to be $1 billon. Other estimates have been as high as 1.4 billion, he said, and suggested that tolls may be necessary to fund bonds to build the Ohio Bridge.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on October 18, 2013, 05:52:46 PM
Total rebuild of the Pennyrile from the Western Kentucky north? I wonder if they will rebuild it full depth with new concrete like they have done with the Audubon.

Just noticed Exit 68 has room and ROW for a full interchange. Will be nice to see that done.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on October 18, 2013, 08:43:02 PM
They've only fully rebuilt about 8-10 miles of the Audubon, from just west of the KY 416/Hebbardsville exit to the Green River bridge, including the cloverleaf ramps at 416 ... and why they didn't just rip those out and replace 'em with a diamond interchange, I do not know.

East of there, they replaced small sections as needed, and did a good diamond-grinding on the rest. (It really is a quality job, far better than any other in this area to date.)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 13, 2013, 08:50:29 PM
Heard today that the high-speed connections for the through I-69 route at the WK/Pennyrile interchange will go to bid in December.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on November 21, 2013, 12:12:58 AM
This article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/jul/28/antique-street-lamps-to-sprout-on-second-street/) reports on how the anticipated location of the I-69 Ohio River Bridge ("probably somewhere near the mouth of the Green River"), and the anticipated new terrain approach to the bridge will probably make Second Street (KY 351) (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2nd+Street,+Henderson,+KY&hl=en&ll=37.835683,-87.57906&spn=0.052535,0.076818&sll=32.678125,-83.178297&sspn=7.163737,9.832764&oq=second+street+henderson+&t=h&hnear=2nd+St,+Henderson,+Kentucky&z=14) "the logical front door when I-69 happens" (essentially replacing the US 41 North strip); as a result, Henderson already has efforts underway to improve the Second Street (KY 351) corridor
(above quote from I-69 Ohio River Bridge (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3245.msg235743#msg235743) thread)

This article (http://www.14news.com/story/24027203/officials-looking-to-add-new-gateway-into-henderson) provides an update on rezoning efforts along the Second Street corridor aimed at creating the new I-69 gateway to Henderson:

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Henderson is looking at rezoning some areas of Second Street and adding developments for a new gateway into the city.
The Henderson City-County Planning Commission has discussed the idea for a new gateway to Henderson with city commissioners, working on the project for about a year now. They say they need a new gateway for when the I-69 corridor comes through.
They're hoping to do it in three phases. The first will begin from the Second Street overpass to Ingram Street
, with the second and third phases extending to the Pennyrile Parkway ....
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: SEWIGuy on November 24, 2013, 05:35:47 PM
My experiences on US 41 between I-70 and I-64 are that the route is perfectly adequate for the amount of traffic it carries and the area it serves. Not everything has to be an interstate, and the existing US 41 is perfectly fine.
Try telling that to the ones who wanted I-69 in Terre Haute!


The reason people were in favor of that was because it was thought to be a cheaper alternative than the new terrain route.  Especially considering that I doubt I-69 traffic counts are ever going to match their projections.  I took the portion of I-69 north of Evansville last week, and the traffic was embarrassingly low, even for a four lane rural interstate.  I fully realize that it wont' meet its capacity until fully completed, but I really have my doubts that the entire exercise will be considered worthwhile in the end.

That being said, US-41 is just fine between Evansville and Terre Haute...and yeah Terre Haute is a mess, but how much do you really want to spend to relieve what I think is mostly local traffic?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on November 24, 2013, 06:13:36 PM
My experiences on US 41 between I-70 and I-64 are that the route is perfectly adequate for the amount of traffic it carries and the area it serves. Not everything has to be an interstate, and the existing US 41 is perfectly fine.
Try telling that to the ones who wanted I-69 in Terre Haute!


The reason people were in favor of that was because it was thought to be a cheaper alternative than the new terrain route.  Especially considering that I doubt I-69 traffic counts are ever going to match their projections.  I took the portion of I-69 north of Evansville last week, and the traffic was embarrassingly low, even for a four lane rural interstate.  I fully realize that it wont' meet its capacity until fully completed, but I really have my doubts that the entire exercise will be considered worthwhile in the end.

That being said, US-41 is just fine between Evansville and Terre Haute...and yeah Terre Haute is a mess, but how much do you really want to spend to relieve what I think is mostly local traffic?

Of course the traffic on 69 is low, it begins in the middle of nowhere and ends short of the ohio river, until it is complete, I wouldn't pay attention to traffic counts.  Also the us41 alternative was never a good idea, it was just used to appease the people who didn't want their land messed with on the current route. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: SEWIGuy on November 24, 2013, 06:39:10 PM
My experiences on US 41 between I-70 and I-64 are that the route is perfectly adequate for the amount of traffic it carries and the area it serves. Not everything has to be an interstate, and the existing US 41 is perfectly fine.
Try telling that to the ones who wanted I-69 in Terre Haute!


The reason people were in favor of that was because it was thought to be a cheaper alternative than the new terrain route.  Especially considering that I doubt I-69 traffic counts are ever going to match their projections.  I took the portion of I-69 north of Evansville last week, and the traffic was embarrassingly low, even for a four lane rural interstate.  I fully realize that it wont' meet its capacity until fully completed, but I really have my doubts that the entire exercise will be considered worthwhile in the end.

That being said, US-41 is just fine between Evansville and Terre Haute...and yeah Terre Haute is a mess, but how much do you really want to spend to relieve what I think is mostly local traffic?

Of course the traffic on 69 is low, it begins in the middle of nowhere and ends short of the ohio river, until it is complete, I wouldn't pay attention to traffic counts.  Also the us41 alternative was never a good idea, it was just used to appease the people who didn't want their land messed with on the current route. 


Agree on both counts.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: roadman65 on November 24, 2013, 07:32:38 PM
Just how do they measure the amount of long distance travelers.  I mean we all know how each state measures daily traffic counts by installing the same detector loops that are used at signals at various points along interstate, and local arterials.  However, how to you actually determine which counts in each area are the same counts unless you have what Florida uses and a mini chip inside our tags which are measured and counted by ugly white squares either attached to traffic lights or along the side of freeways on ugly assemblies.

As far as I can tell there is really no way to say how many cars and trucks travel the whole length of I-5 from Mexico to Canada.  We can estimate from the data collected from the three states it transits, but we cannot be one hundred percent of just how many full length travelers use the single digit N-S freeway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on November 25, 2013, 06:19:26 AM
Just how do they measure the amount of long distance travelers.  I mean we all know how each state measures daily traffic counts by installing the same detector loops that are used at signals at various points along interstate, and local arterials.  However, how to you actually determine which counts in each area are the same counts unless you have what Florida uses and a mini chip inside our tags which are measured and counted by ugly white squares either attached to traffic lights or along the side of freeways on ugly assemblies.

As far as I can tell there is really no way to say how many cars and trucks travel the whole length of I-5 from Mexico to Canada.  We can estimate from the data collected from the three states it transits, but we cannot be one hundred percent of just how many full length travelers use the single digit N-S freeway.

From what I understand about traffic modeling, determining the true origin and destination for long-distance traffic is mostly guesswork.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on November 25, 2013, 06:42:29 AM
From what I understand about traffic modeling, determining the true origin and destination for long-distance traffic is mostly guesswork.
Maybe not for trucks due to the Secret Muslim Kenyan Socialist logbook regulations. But determining the actual route is still guesswork: http://www.ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/freight_analysis/faf/faf3/netwkdbflow/index.htm

For example, it appears that they forgot about I-335 when calculating this: http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/freight_analysis/nat_freight_stats/nhsmajortrkrts2040.htm
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: trafficsignal on November 25, 2013, 09:35:31 AM
Just how do they measure the amount of long distance travelers.  I mean we all know how each state measures daily traffic counts by installing the same detector loops that are used at signals at various points along interstate, and local arterials.  However, how to you actually determine which counts in each area are the same counts unless you have what Florida uses and a mini chip inside our tags which are measured and counted by ugly white squares either attached to traffic lights or along the side of freeways on ugly assemblies.

As far as I can tell there is really no way to say how many cars and trucks travel the whole length of I-5 from Mexico to Canada.  We can estimate from the data collected from the three states it transits, but we cannot be one hundred percent of just how many full length travelers use the single digit N-S freeway.

There is a lot of research / investigation into using bluetooth data since it is freely transmitted by wireless devices (unless you turn the feature off).  I don't know the details, but from what I understand each device carries a unique random ID # and you can buy a scanner that picks up that number.  Track it in several places and you have information about volumes and travel times.  INDOT / Purdue has done research with monitoring of a few arterials to see the benefits / limitations.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: roadman65 on November 25, 2013, 10:35:16 AM
How do they get potential data that the Feds do believe that there are many trucks that deliver between Southern Ontario to Eastern Mexico that they are going all out on making this a reality?  So far to me it seems more political than reality. Is there proof that this would be warranted from a source other than the typical politics as we know that their words mean nothing any more.  I would be more tend to believe something non political than that comes from Washington.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on November 25, 2013, 11:05:17 AM
How do they get potential data that the Feds do believe that there are many trucks that deliver between Southern Ontario to Eastern Mexico that they are going all out on making this a reality?  So far to me it seems more political than reality. Is there proof that this would be warranted from a source other than the typical politics as we know that their words mean nothing any more.  I would be more tend to believe something non political than that comes from Washington.

Well, it's needed in some spots along the route, but the whole thing is basically political.  The plan was cooked up by some folks from Washington, IN when they wouldn't get the time of day from the Feds for just an extension of I-69 from Indianapolis to Evansville.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: roadman65 on November 25, 2013, 11:13:07 AM
How do they get potential data that the Feds do believe that there are many trucks that deliver between Southern Ontario to Eastern Mexico that they are going all out on making this a reality?  So far to me it seems more political than reality. Is there proof that this would be warranted from a source other than the typical politics as we know that their words mean nothing any more.  I would be more tend to believe something non political than that comes from Washington.

Well, it's needed in some spots along the route, but the whole thing is basically political.  The plan was cooked up by some folks from Washington, IN when they wouldn't get the time of day from the Feds for just an extension of I-69 from Indianapolis to Evansville.

True it is mainly points along the way.  Its like I-95 is needed along the coast, but most traffic is short range even though in the Summer not that many from Houlton, ME are going to Miami.  You will get a lot of Richmond to Baltimore, Philadelphia to Boston, etc, but not the whole route.

I-10 is a better example as I doubt many at all drive all the way from CA to FL as I have not yet seen many out of state tags except for AL and LA on the Florida section of that particular interstate.  Once in a while a Texas plate you will see, but none from NM, AZ, and CA.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 06, 2013, 09:12:53 PM
Looks as if the conversion of the KY 109 exit from one of the old toll booth cloverleafs to a diamond is complete.

(http://www.millenniumhwy.net/loose_pics/new-KY_109_exit.jpg)

Not my photo, but this was tweeted today by a motorist regarding the ice storm in western Kentucky and was retweeted by a meteorologist I follow.

What's interesting here is that the sign is NOT in Clearview. All the signage along the I-69 portion of the WK Parkway was replaced with Clearview last year, except the old signs at this exit which were mounted on the overpass.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on December 10, 2013, 02:08:23 PM
A little update on the potential I-369 spur route (Audubon Parkway to Owensboro)
http://surfky.com/index.php/communities/77-owensboro-news/34218-owensboro-city-commission-hears-from-transportation-cabinet
No number for this road has been assigned. 169 makes more sense than 369

The I-69 Spur page (http://gotransportation.net/highway_plans_&_projects/i-69_spur.php) on the Greater Owensboro Chamber of Commerce website projects a preference for I-169:

(http://i.imgur.com/QY1vW1U.png)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 10, 2013, 03:36:24 PM
My understanding is that they're going to attempt to use as much of the Pennyrile as possible to keep from having to build more new freeway. So I think the greater likelihood is that the I-69 designation will stay on the Pennyrile to and north of the Audubon's western terminus.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on December 10, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
A little update on the potential I-369 spur route (Audubon Parkway to Owensboro)
http://surfky.com/index.php/communities/77-owensboro-news/34218-owensboro-city-commission-hears-from-transportation-cabinet
No number for this road has been assigned. 169 makes more sense than 369

The I-69 Spur page (http://gotransportation.net/highway_plans_&_projects/i-69_spur.php) on the Greater Owensboro Chamber of Commerce website projects a preference for I-169:

(http://i.imgur.com/QY1vW1U.png)

I thought it was going to be called i-369, I think I even saw it signed on google maps too
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on December 10, 2013, 05:28:03 PM
I saw on Google Maps that US 30 was going to be Quebec Route 366.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 10, 2013, 08:52:14 PM
No official number has been assigned to my knowledge, and Google Maps is hardly an official source. I think we have a thread for that...

They've been showing I-69 on the northern portion of the Pennyrile Parkway despite that route not being officially assigned. My counterpart in western Kentucky finally was able to convince Google to take that designation off the map.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on December 10, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
No official number has been assigned to my knowledge, and Google Maps is hardly an official source. I think we have a thread for that...

They've been showing I-69 on the northern portion of the Pennyrile Parkway despite that route not being officially assigned. My counterpart in western Kentucky finally was able to convince Google to take that designation off the map.

It's really annoying trying to convince them to change something, they always assume you're wrong, even though they are wrong most of the time. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 26, 2013, 02:15:00 PM
The reconstruction of the Western Kentucky-Pennyrile interchange has been awarded as a design-build.

Project memo:
http://transportation.ky.gov/Construction-Procurement/Bulletins/Draft%20RFP%20-%20Design-Build%20Project%20-%20Hopkins%20County.pdf

Pre-bid conference minutes (some interesting info on future projects):
http://transportation.ky.gov/Construction-Procurement/Bulletins/Hopkins%20County%20-%20Design-Build%20Project%20-%20Pre-Bid%20Meeting%20Minutes.pdf

Bid awards (completion date of 5/29/15):
http://transportation.ky.gov/Construction-Procurement/Bulletins/Hopkins%20County%20Design-Build%20Bid%20Results.pdf
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Alps on December 27, 2013, 06:57:36 PM
Project memo includes FTP link with password.
ftp://ftp.palmernet.com/Plan_DATA/Geometric_Layout/INTERCHANGE_APPROVAL.pdf : Concept (heading NB) is to gradually widen out from 2 lanes each way to 4, lanes are added on the right, then the mainline stays in the middle and curves through the interchange while the ramps come back into the ROW. Oddly, the SB side is a right split while the parkway continues straight from the left side. Of course, that's perfectly acceptable for a major diverge, but it still violates expectancy.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on December 27, 2013, 07:03:54 PM
I-69 should go south on the Pennyrile to end at I-24. The WK etc. can be I-155 for now, and maybe I-30 in the future.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 27, 2013, 08:58:52 PM
I-69 should go south on the Pennyrile to end at I-24. The WK etc. can be I-155 for now, and maybe I-30 in the future.

Tell that to Congress.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mgk920 on December 30, 2013, 09:56:33 AM
^^
(Once again) 'I-41'???

 :hmmm:

 :nod:

Mike
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on January 12, 2014, 08:45:51 AM
http://www.14news.com/story/24411938/more-construction-plans-for-i-69-project-announced

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Kentucky transportation crews announced more construction plans for the I-69 project.
 
On Thursday, 14 News learned Hazex Construction Co., of Henderson, is the presumed low bidder for completing an interchange at the Robards exit on the Pennyrile Parkway.
 
Crews said Exit-68 will undergo construction to make it suitable for interstate standards.
 
That project is expected to be about $5-million.
 
Crews will also plan to build a new interchange just south of Madisonville on the Pennyrile and I-69.
 
That $29-million project would change the current cloverleaf to a "full flow interchange" which will allow drivers to go faster.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on January 13, 2014, 01:41:53 PM
Exit 68 is already suitable; it's just completing the diamond interchange on existing ROW.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on January 24, 2014, 01:47:08 PM
What I am curious about is how the TN section of I-69 will tie into the Purchase Pkwy with the complication of having the existing interchange with US 45E.
(above quote from I-69 in TN (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg124799#msg124799) thread)
Meant to post this a long time ago, but back in the summer I sat through a presentation on I-69 projects. Here is a link:
http://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/Conference%20Presentation/An%20Update%20On%20I69%20Progress%20Schedules%20and%20Challenges.pdf
The next-to-last slide concerns the "End of Purchase Parkway in Fulton".  Did the presenters discuss whether any efforts have been made to coordinate with TDOT for corridor preservation at the state line (I recently asked TDOT this question in an email but have not received an answer yet)?
Nope.

KYTC has posted the 2014 Recommended Highway Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Pages/2014-Highway-Plan.aspx). The Project Listing (http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Highway%20Plan/2014RecommendedProjectListing.pdf) page includes "reconstruct and improve" I-69 from the KY/TN state line to milepost 1.66, with preliminary work scheduled to begin 2014 (page 43/139 of pdf) :

(http://i.imgur.com/IC2eOGo.png)



This January 22 article (http://www.wkyt.com/news/headlines/Governor-calling-for-7-billion-in-improvements-in-road-plan-241550411.html) summarizes the I-69 projects set forth in the 2014 Recommended Highway Plan:

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On Wednesday, Governor Steve Beshear sent to the Kentucky General Assembly a 2014-2020 Recommended Highway Plan that, if enacted, would provide nearly $7 billion of state and federal funding for transportation improvements across the Commonwealth ....
Notable provisions include: ....
I-69
The Governor’s plan allocates $162.7 million through 2020 for improvements in the I-69 Corridor. Work includes upgrading roadway geometrics to interstate standards and reconstruction of eight parkway interchanges in Graves, Henderson, Hopkins, Marshall and Webster counties. I-69 eventually will run north to south from the Ohio River at Henderson to the Tennessee border at Fulton, using sections of the present Pennyrile, Western Kentucky and Purchase parkways. Fifty-five miles of the corridor already is designated I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on January 24, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
What is wrong with the cloverleaf at the Pennyrile / Western KY Parkway? Cloverleafs are good interchanges.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on January 25, 2014, 01:37:01 AM
What is wrong with the cloverleaf at the Pennyrile / Western KY Parkway? Cloverleafs are good interchanges.

Cloverleafs are great in the middle of nowhere, but in urban areas, they can be very dangerous, weaving is a big issue.  The short distances given to merge onto the road are shared with people trying to merge off of the road, causing conflicts.  i-69 and 465 is a big example (I know it isn't a full cloverleaf, I am referring to the 2 loop ramps there). 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on January 25, 2014, 01:56:25 AM
The Pennyrile/WKY is in the middle of nowhere :bigass:
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 25, 2014, 01:06:34 PM
What is wrong with the cloverleaf at the Pennyrile / Western KY Parkway? Cloverleafs are good interchanges.

Try navigating the I-64/I-265 interchange in Louisville during busy times and you will rescind your opinion.

I got in that mess once in the middle of morning rush and said "never again."

The Pennyrile/WKY is in the middle of nowhere :bigass:

I honestly don't see that interchange ever having heavy traffic volumes, but it has to be done (according to the feds) to complete I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Anthony_JK on January 25, 2014, 03:02:00 PM
Isn't that one of those "cloverleaf" interchanges like they used to have on Kentucky's parkways where the loop ramps meet below the bridge structures to accomodate the toll booths?? If so, then I can see why they have to be removed and replaced with conventional diamond interchanges.  I guess we're not talking about traditional cloverleaf interchanges here..are we??

And in fact, if combined with C/D roadways to seperate the weaving movements, full cloverleafs can actually be pretty effective up to a point. See the I-55/I-69/I-269 interchange just south of Memphis, for example. (Though, a directional ramp where I-69 turns from E to N would be nice to add instead of having to negotiate a TOTSO 25-30mph loop.)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on January 25, 2014, 04:12:36 PM
Isn't that one of those "cloverleaf" interchanges like they used to have on Kentucky's parkways where the loop ramps meet below the bridge structures to accomodate the toll booths??
No. It's a full cloverleaf where two parkways cross.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Buck87 on January 25, 2014, 04:14:54 PM
Isn't that one of those "cloverleaf" interchanges like they used to have on Kentucky's parkways where the loop ramps meet below the bridge structures to accomodate the toll booths?? If so, then I can see why they have to be removed and replaced with conventional diamond interchanges.  I guess we're not talking about traditional cloverleaf interchanges here..are we??

No, this one looks like a traditional freeway to freeway cloverleaf. One where northbound I-69 traffic would currently have to use a loop ramp from the Western KY east to the Pennyrile north.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on January 25, 2014, 07:17:46 PM
I believe they would rather have you continue at normal freeway speeds along I-69 from one parkway to the next without having to go 25 MPH on the loop ramp. On that note, won't they have to do something similar at the interchange with the Purchase and I-24 as well?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on January 25, 2014, 07:42:15 PM
I believe they would rather have you continue at normal freeway speeds along I-69 from one parkway to the next without having to go 25 MPH on the loop ramp.
More correctly, it's a ramp that connects two perpendicular freeways along which I-69 happens to run.

PS: I-69 north takes a loop ramp of almost exactly the same radius to get onto I-55 in Mississippi. Being in a metropolitan area, this will probably get more traffic than the WK-Pennyrile ramp. Yet FHWA didn't throw a shitfit over it.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on January 25, 2014, 07:57:10 PM
KYTC has posted the 2014 Recommended Highway Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Pages/2014-Highway-Plan.aspx). The Project Listing (http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Highway%20Plan/2014RecommendedProjectListing.pdf) page
I believe they would rather have you continue at normal freeway speeds along I-69 from one parkway to the next without having to go 25 MPH on the loop ramp. On that note, won't they have to do something similar at the interchange with the Purchase and I-24 as well?

An approximate $40 million upgrade is planned (page 98/139 of Project Listing pdf):

(http://i.imgur.com/CyJh0jv.jpg)

edit

This report (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Fulton%20to%20Eddyville%20Section%20-%209_RECOMMENDATIONS_AND_NEXT_STEPS.pdf) suggests the following (pages 3-4/7 of pdf):

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• I-24 / Purchase Parkway Interchange – It is recommended to improve the eastbound I-24 to southbound I-69 ramp and construct a new southbound I-69 flyover ramp from  westbound I-24. The following existing ramps will be eliminated with this  recommendation:
o Westbound I-24 to northbound Purchase Parkway ramp
o Westbound I-24 to southbound Purchase Parkway loop ramp
o Eastbound I-24 to northbound Purchase Parkway loop ramp
The existing northbound Purchase Parkway to westbound I-24 loop ramp also will  remain in place and serve as the northbound I-69 to westbound I-24 connector under this scenario.

Here's a map (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Fulton%20to%20Eddyville%20Section%20-%208%20POTENTIAL%20IMPROVEMENT%20ALTERNATIVES%20AND%20DEVELOPMENT%20COSTS.pdf) (page 5/7 of pdf):

(http://i.imgur.com/H6mqfJj.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 25, 2014, 08:33:55 PM
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• I-24 / Purchase Parkway Interchange – It is recommended to improve the eastbound I-24 to southbound I-69 ramp and construct a new southbound I-69 flyover ramp from  westbound I-24. The following existing ramps will be eliminated with this  recommendation:
o Westbound I-24 to northbound Purchase Parkway ramp
o Westbound I-24 to southbound Purchase Parkway loop ramp
o Eastbound I-24 to northbound Purchase Parkway loop ramp
The existing northbound Purchase Parkway to westbound I-24 loop ramp also will  remain in place and serve as the northbound I-69 to westbound I-24 connector under this scenario.

That makes sense. The Purchase Parkway north of I-24 runs into US 62, for which access is provided to the northeast of the I-24/Purchase cloverleaf.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on January 25, 2014, 09:04:30 PM
I obviously don't think cloverleafs should be used in downtown Louisville, but in the middle of nowhere they should definitely be used. They are the cheapest interchange and work very well in the middle of nowhere. They even work well in medium sized cities.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on January 25, 2014, 10:42:15 PM
I obviously don't think cloverleafs should be used in downtown Louisville, but in the middle of nowhere they should definitely be used. They are the cheapest interchange and work very well in the middle of nowhere. They even work well in medium sized cities.

Sorry I didn't realize where you were talking about was in a rural area, I agree, a cloverleaf would work there. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 26, 2014, 12:19:12 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/Dil4p
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: froggie on January 26, 2014, 08:20:59 AM
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PS: I-69 north takes a loop ramp of almost exactly the same radius to get onto I-55 in Mississippi. Being in a metropolitan area, this will probably get more traffic than the WK-Pennyrile ramp. Yet FHWA didn't throw a shitfit over it.

A) it was designed before I-69 came into the mix.

B) MDOT added C/D roads along I-55.

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They are the cheapest interchange and work very well in the middle of nowhere.

Not necessarily.  It's all about the traffic volumes, not whether it's in an urban or rural area.  Case-in-point:  the three loop ramps at I-80/I-81.  Another example:  I-40/I-77.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on January 26, 2014, 01:03:19 PM
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They are the cheapest interchange and work very well in the middle of nowhere.

Not necessarily.  It's all about the traffic volumes, not whether it's in an urban or rural area.  Case-in-point:  the three loop ramps at I-80/I-81.  Another example:  I-40/I-77.


Loops are cheaper than bridges.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on January 26, 2014, 04:19:51 PM
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PS: I-69 north takes a loop ramp of almost exactly the same radius to get onto I-55 in Mississippi. Being in a metropolitan area, this will probably get more traffic than the WK-Pennyrile ramp. Yet FHWA didn't throw a shitfit over it.

A) it was designed before I-69 came into the mix.
And the WK/Pennyrile wasn't designed before I-69?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: froggie on January 26, 2014, 04:37:41 PM
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Loops are cheaper than bridges.

Per FHWA, design standards trump cost.  Only in rare cases will they grant a design exemption, and it's always for a reason other than cost.

And it seems you missed my point anyway.  My point is that traffic volumes will dictate whether a cloverleaf "works very well", not whether or not it's in an urban or rural area.

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And the WK/Pennyrile wasn't designed before I-69?

As I recall, it was also unclear until after construction on the "MS 304 freeway" began that I-69 was going to go through Memphis.  At the time, routing around Memphis via the MS 304/TN 385 loop was considered an option (and the one that Mississippi preferred), until the decision was made to make that I-269.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on January 26, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
If they're going to make a US 641 freeway to Marion, they should make a US 60 freeway from Marion to Henderson.
It's not going to be a freeway. Just a relocated surface route. Saw some evidence of construction along the route last month on my trip to Joliet.
(above quote from US 641 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6168.msg147969#msg147969) thread)

While recently looking at the I-69 Corridor Planning Study, Eddyville to Henderson (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/i-69-interstateCH%209%20Recommendations%20and%20Next%20Steps.pdf), a section suggesting that KYTC seek "formal recognition" of the "US 60 and US 641 corridor north of Eddyville" as "part of the National I-69 corridor" caught my eye (page 4/5 of pdf):

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C. I-69 Connectors
Should the two Parkways be designated or developed as I-69, it is recommended that  consideration be given to improving other highway corridor connections to the route in order to enhance regional highway service and accessibility. Currently, the US 60 and US 641 corridor north of Eddyville is designated as a strategic  priority corridor and a future connector to I-69. The KYTC is currently undertaking  design efforts for the portion of the route between Marion and Fredonia, along a corridor that lies to the east of the existing US 641 route. In addition, the KYTC has initiated planning efforts for the portion of the route that would extend from Fredonia south to Eddyville.
Local officials from Hopkinsville have also expressed a strong interest in designating the  portion of the Breathitt Parkway south of the Ford Parkway (not included in the current I-69 study area) as a strategic corridor connection to I-69. South of Hopkinsville, an  extension of the Breathitt Parkway to I-24 would provide an additional north-south connection serving the I-69 corridor. The 8-mile extension of the Breathitt Parkway is shown as a proposed roadway on the KYTC’s Official Highway Map. The KYTC may want to pursue efforts to encourage the formal recognition of these segments as part of the National I-69 corridor, as other I-69 connectors have been similarly designated in other parts of the U.S.

I'm not sure if the US 641 and US 60 corridor really needs to be part of the I-69 Corridor, but I'm sure Congress could find a reason...  :D
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 26, 2014, 09:52:02 PM
^^^
How old is the above? The Pennyrile extension's been open for a couple of years now.

The US 641 corridor is being built, I understand, as two lanes on a four-lane ROW -- similar to the KY 67 Industrial Parkway on the other side of the state.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on January 27, 2014, 09:11:47 AM
How old is the above? The Pennyrile extension's been open for a couple of years now.
The US 641 corridor is being built, I understand, as two lanes on a four-lane ROW -- similar to the KY 67 Industrial Parkway on the other side of the state.

It's from the March 2005 Overview of Existing Conditions (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/i-69-interstate1a-cover.pdf).  After a brief look, I don't see any followup in the March 2008 Master Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/i-69-complete%20report-2.pdf) (a closer look may uncover it).

The 2005 report indicated that the 60-641 corridor, "Currently ... is designated as ... a future connector to I-69".  I assume that designation is from the Kentucky, and not the federal, side.  "I-69 connector" can mean pretty much whatever you want it to mean.  The corridor is currently composed of sections of two US highways: 60 and 641.  Giving that corridor one name (I-69 Connector, or something else) would probably help persuade businesses to look at locations along the corridor.  Also, this Feb. 15, 2012 article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/feb/15/route-to-lake-barkley-improving/) reports that the 60-641 corridor is thirteen miles shorter than the Future I-69 routing:

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Taking the Pennyrile and Western Kentucky parkways from Henderson to Eddyville covers approximately 84 miles; some Hendersonians take a more direct two-lane route using U.S. 60 and U.S. 641 that shaves about 13 miles off the trip.

With spot improvements lessening the drive time on the corridor, it would become even more attractive to potential businesses.

I wouldn't anticipate any type of interstate-grade freeway upgrade for the corridor.  If Congress did formalize the 60-641 corridor as being part of the I-69 Corridor, then I would suspect it would be akin to the Joe Fulton International Trade Corridor (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3624.msg235241;topicseen#msg235241) in Texas: a part of the I-69 Corridor that will probably never be upgraded to interstate standards, but will receive focused attention over time for spot improvements.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on January 28, 2014, 04:34:01 PM
When the William Natcher Parkway in Kentucky was extended south in Bowling Green they put a cloverleaf at I-65. My point is that, that cloverleaf is in a mid-sized city. The cloverleaves we're talking about aren't even in a city.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Buck87 on January 28, 2014, 09:02:24 PM
When the William Natcher Parkway in Kentucky was extended south in Bowling Green they put a cloverleaf at I-65. My point is that, that cloverleaf is in a mid-sized city. The cloverleaves we're talking about aren't even in a city.

But that's not really a comparable situation.

Leaving the WKY/Pennyrile cloverleaf as is would make through interstate traffic use a 25 mph loop ramp and traverse 2 weaving lanes to stay on the same interstate route. It would also likely create an awkward situation where the 70 mph WKY east would technically be a 2 lane left exit off of a 25 mph 1 lane interstate 69 that is about to make a 270 degree turn.

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on January 28, 2014, 09:12:36 PM
through interstate traffic
Hah. There's probably more traffic staying on each parkway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 28, 2014, 11:04:28 PM
When the William Natcher Parkway in Kentucky was extended south in Bowling Green they put a cloverleaf at I-65. My point is that, that cloverleaf is in a mid-sized city. The cloverleaves we're talking about aren't even in a city.

C/D lanes on I-65, if I'm not mistaken. And there is not exactly a lot of traffic on the Natcher.

Of course there won't be a lot of traffic on I-69 either.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on January 29, 2014, 09:11:45 AM
In Beloit, WI where I-43 meets I-90/39 there is a cloverleaf. I have many more examples I can pull out of the hat.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Buck87 on January 29, 2014, 10:28:35 AM
I have many more examples I can pull out of the hat.

For the sake of equal comparison to the situation we're talking about, filter that list of examples to just the ones where:

- only 1 interstate route uses the interchange
- said interstate is a 2di that does not terminate at the interchange
- the through routing of said interstate changes freeways at the interchange, with one direction of travel needing to use a loop ramp to stay on said interstate

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 29, 2014, 11:33:32 AM
In Beloit, WI where I-43 meets I-90/39 there is a cloverleaf. I have many more examples I can pull out of the hat.

There are cloverleafs all over the northeast. I-84/NY 17 (Future I-86) and I-95/I-495 southwest of Boston come to mind. Doesn't mean they are optimal.

I-64/I-255 in Illinois does too, but it has a network of C/D lanes that helps with the weaving/merging issues.


For the sake of equal comparison to the situation we're talking about, filter that list of examples to just the ones where:

- only 1 interstate route uses the interchange
- said interstate is a 2di that does not terminate at the interchange
- the through routing of said interstate changes freeways at the interchange, with one direction of travel needing to use a loop ramp to stay on said interstate



I don't think you need to apply all those criteria to the WK/Pennyrile interchange, although in this case instead of the WK and Pennyrile being two separate through routes, the through route is going to become I-69.

Can't remember if anyone pointed out I-55 and Crump in Memphis, but that's getting reworked.

I can see more of a case being made for not doing anything to the I-24/Purchase cloverleaf since I-24 is a through interstate. If not for the existence of the extension north to US 62, that would be a trumpet which would be good enough.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: TheStranger on January 29, 2014, 11:35:11 AM
I have many more examples I can pull out of the hat.

For the sake of equal comparison to the situation we're talking about, filter that list of examples to just the ones where:

- only 1 interstate route uses the interchange
- said interstate is a 2di that does not terminate at the interchange
- the through routing of said interstate changes freeways at the interchange, with one direction of travel needing to use a loop ramp to stay on said interstate



As mentioned in the post before this one, I-55 north in Memphis is the first one that comes to mind, with a loop ramp at US 70.

Until it became I-215, I-15E southbound in Riverside, CA had this at Route 60/Route 91, though years later this movement was replaced with a flyover.

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: english si on January 29, 2014, 11:44:03 AM
I realise that many of the same points were made while I was compiling this post...
For the sake of equal comparison to the situation we're talking about, filter that list of examples to just the ones where:

- only 1 interstate route uses the interchange
- said interstate is a 2di that does not terminate at the interchange
- the through routing of said interstate changes freeways at the interchange, with one direction of travel needing to use a loop ramp to stay on said interstate
I-55 in Memphis (http://mapq.st/1dO1hNE).

However, especially given the nature of Kentucky's Parkways (and the looming presence of future I-66), your first point isn't great for comparisons. There's little reason why the other arms of the cloverleaf at Nortonville aren't interstates, other than history. If Kentucky got AASHTO & FHWA approval for I-66, or signed the bottom half of the Pennyrile as I-x69 or I-x24, surely then the cloverleaf's loop ramps wouldn't matter.

The I-24/Purchase Pkwy junction needing a flyover ramp due to being the mainline of an interstate is more odd. If it is justified by the volume of turning traffic, or safety reasons, then great. However there are many places where an interstate turns off of (or onto) another via a loop ramp, and pointless work shouldn't be undertaken simply due to numbering.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on February 27, 2014, 09:09:26 AM
This TV video (http://www.tristatehomepage.com/story/d/story/i-69-transformation-coming-sooner-than-expected/32902/7sO4qKTpLkyEiYXEVKfdmA) reports that I-69 shields may go up along the Pennyrile as soon as two years from now and that a commitment to making upgrades, instead of completion of upgrades, will be sufficient for the I-69 signage:

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Kentucky Transportation officials say they're hopeful the Pennyrile Parkway will officially become I-69 sooner than you think. Officials say the I-69 signs could go up as soon as two years from now.
Several exit upgrades are on the governor's six year highway plan. Work has already started at the intersection of the Pennyrile and Western Kentucky Parkway just south of Madisonville.
"They don't have to have these projects completed to get commitment to hang the shields up," said Brad Schneider of Kyndle. "The 55 miles of the Western Kentucky Parkway that's already shielded as I-69, not all the improvements were done before federal highways allowed Kentucky to put the shields up."
Officials say more than $160 million will be spent this year on several I-69 upgrades in Henderson County, Webster County, and Hancock County.

Kyndle is a new organization born of the merger of the Henderson Chamber of Commerce and the Northwest Kentucky Forward regional economic development organization:

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/dec/20/merger-of-chamber-nwkf-into-kyndle-now-official/
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 27, 2014, 09:15:15 AM
I realise that many of the same points were made while I was compiling this post...
For the sake of equal comparison to the situation we're talking about, filter that list of examples to just the ones where:

- only 1 interstate route uses the interchange
- said interstate is a 2di that does not terminate at the interchange
- the through routing of said interstate changes freeways at the interchange, with one direction of travel needing to use a loop ramp to stay on said interstate
I-55 in Memphis (http://mapq.st/1dO1hNE).

However, especially given the nature of Kentucky's Parkways (and the looming presence of future I-66), your first point isn't great for comparisons. There's little reason why the other arms of the cloverleaf at Nortonville aren't interstates, other than history. If Kentucky got AASHTO & FHWA approval for I-66, or signed the bottom half of the Pennyrile as I-x69 or I-x24, surely then the cloverleaf's loop ramps wouldn't matter.

It's not like there's no precedent.  Millions of folks have driven off an uncompleted 95 onto a numberless route into NJ for years without ever making a turn.  The through routing of the NJ Turnpike will continue on a non-Interstate even once the 95 mess is sorted out and that route exits the Turnpike.

Did I edit this correctly? ~S
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on March 01, 2014, 01:16:49 AM

It's not like there's no precedent.  Millions of folks have driven off an uncompleted 95 onto a numberless route into NJ for years without ever making a turn.  The through routing of the NJ Turnpike will continue on a non-Interstate even once the 95 mess is sorted out and that route exits the Turnpike.

Did I edit this correctly? ~S

I think so.  I'm not sure what I actually submitted but this reads to say what I meant to. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Alps on March 02, 2014, 12:25:35 AM

It's not like there's no precedent.  Millions of folks have driven off an uncompleted 95 onto a numberless route into NJ for years without ever making a turn.  The through routing of the NJ Turnpike will continue on a non-Interstate even once the 95 mess is sorted out and that route exits the Turnpike.

Did I edit this correctly? ~S

I think so.  I'm not sure what I actually submitted but this reads to say what I meant to. 
You had two posts, both had the same first sentence, but each had a different second sentence, so I just amalgamated them into a paragraph.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on March 02, 2014, 08:51:21 AM


It's not like there's no precedent.  Millions of folks have driven off an uncompleted 95 onto a numberless route into NJ for years without ever making a turn.  The through routing of the NJ Turnpike will continue on a non-Interstate even once the 95 mess is sorted out and that route exits the Turnpike.

Did I edit this correctly? ~S

I think so.  I'm not sure what I actually submitted but this reads to say what I meant to. 
You had two posts, both had the same first sentence, but each had a different second sentence, so I just amalgamated them into a paragraph.

Ah, tapatalk hiccup.  Didn't seem to post at first.  Thanks.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Anthony_JK on March 02, 2014, 09:28:20 AM
I realise that many of the same points were made while I was compiling this post...
For the sake of equal comparison to the situation we're talking about, filter that list of examples to just the ones where:

- only 1 interstate route uses the interchange
- said interstate is a 2di that does not terminate at the interchange
- the through routing of said interstate changes freeways at the interchange, with one direction of travel needing to use a loop ramp to stay on said interstate
I-55 in Memphis (http://mapq.st/1dO1hNE).

Apparently, TnDOT doesn't see it your way regarding I-55 in Memphis.

http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i55/default.htm (I-55/Riverside Dr./E. E. Crump Interchange Upgrade)

Requiring major Interstate traffic to be forced to negotiate single-lane loops hardly counts as "feasible" in my book.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on March 02, 2014, 09:37:53 AM

I realise that many of the same points were made while I was compiling this post...
For the sake of equal comparison to the situation we're talking about, filter that list of examples to just the ones where:

- only 1 interstate route uses the interchange
- said interstate is a 2di that does not terminate at the interchange
- the through routing of said interstate changes freeways at the interchange, with one direction of travel needing to use a loop ramp to stay on said interstate
I-55 in Memphis (http://mapq.st/1dO1hNE).

Apparently, TnDOT doesn't see it your way regarding I-55 in Memphis.

http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i55/default.htm (I-55/Riverside Dr./E. E. Crump Interchange Upgrade)

Requiring major Interstate traffic to be forced to negotiate single-lane loops hardly counts as "feasible" in my book.

Massachusetts disagrees.

http://goo.gl/maps/gI5b6
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on March 02, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
Mississippi disagrees wrt I-69 at I-55.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: english si on March 02, 2014, 05:07:46 PM
Apparently, TnDOT doesn't see it your way regarding I-55 in Memphis.
really? I-55 is incomplete due to that junction?

They are in agreement with me - crappy TOTSOs, while they should be sorted eventually, should not be barriers to Interstate designations going through the interchange, contra KDOT...
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Requiring major Interstate traffic to be forced to negotiate single-lane loops hardly counts as "feasible" in my book.
suggest you look up the word "feasible". You meant "sensible".

and arguably for the junction in KY, it is sensible, given that traffic volumes are light, turning traffic small and the money can be put to better use currently, like helping to pay for the Bridge over the Ohio that would finish the I-69 corridor in Kentucky to freeway-standard, even if some things aren't quite Interstate standard, and some loop ramps are needed to follow the route.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on March 02, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
Mississippi disagrees wrt I-69 at I-55.

I-55 has C/D lanes and the interchange is much newer (with, I believe, less tight ramps); plus the likely directional split of traffic is different, you have a much later design year in play, and when FHWA signed off on the interchange, the loop routing for I-69 proper via SIU 9 was still a possibility.

But other than that, exactly the same. :)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on March 02, 2014, 06:17:04 PM
Mississippi disagrees wrt I-69 at I-55.
I-55 has C/D lanes and the interchange is much newer (with, I believe, less tight ramps)
At best the ramps are very slightly larger.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Anthony_JK on March 05, 2014, 01:21:34 AM
Apparently, TnDOT doesn't see it your way regarding I-55 in Memphis.
really? I-55 is incomplete due to that junction?

They are in agreement with me - crappy TOTSOs, while they should be sorted eventually, should not be barriers to Interstate designations going through the interchange, contra KDOT...
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Requiring major Interstate traffic to be forced to negotiate single-lane loops hardly counts as "feasible" in my book.
suggest you look up the word "feasible". You meant "sensible".

and arguably for the junction in KY, it is sensible, given that traffic volumes are light, turning traffic small and the money can be put to better use currently, like helping to pay for the Bridge over the Ohio that would finish the I-69 corridor in Kentucky to freeway-standard, even if some things aren't quite Interstate standard, and some loop ramps are needed to follow the route.


The point is that TnDOT doesn't see your point that Interstate highways should have to go through loop ramps or TOTSO's; which is why they are reworking that interchange the way they are.

What do you have against simply adding a directional ramp?? It's not like I'm proposing converting that interchange to a 5-level full stack, right?

If the I-69 corridor is that necessary, then it should be done to full standards and funded adequately, not patchworked with short-term gimmicks.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on March 05, 2014, 02:35:30 PM
Unless something totally unforeseen happens, even with the signing of I-69 and the construction of a direct ramp, the majority of the through traffic eastbound on the WK Parkway is going to stay on the WK and not exit onto the northbound Pennyrile.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on March 05, 2014, 05:51:22 PM
Unless something totally unforeseen happens, even with the signing of I-69 and the construction of a direct ramp, the majority of the through traffic eastbound on the WK Parkway is going to stay on the WK and not exit onto the northbound Pennyrile.

Hb,

Do you know if that is factual? I am not picking at you, but my guess is that now, about the same number of people exit northbound as go straight on the WK, especially in the warmer months. A lot of people from Evansville-Henderson-Owensboro hang out at the lakes. There really isn't anything sizeable on the WK, unless you are considering traffic that would eventually end up in Louisville or Lexington, which I can't think is that sizeable of a traffic count.

I also believe that once the interstate is designated and the ramps reconfigured, the majority of traffic on the Pennyrile/69 section will have come from the Pennyrile South section and not the WK/69. Evansville-Hopkinsville-Nashville will still be a busier route than Evansville-Memphis.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on March 05, 2014, 08:02:12 PM
Do you know if that is factual? I am not picking at you, but my guess is that now, about the same number of people exit northbound as go straight on the WK, especially in the warmer months. A lot of people from Evansville-Henderson-Owensboro hang out at the lakes. There really isn't anything sizeable on the WK, unless you are considering traffic that would eventually end up in Louisville or Lexington, which I can't think is that sizeable of a traffic count.

I also believe that once the interstate is designated and the ramps reconfigured, the majority of traffic on the Pennyrile/69 section will have come from the Pennyrile South section and not the WK/69. Evansville-Hopkinsville-Nashville will still be a busier route than Evansville-Memphis.

It's just a guess on my part, and I don't know traffic counts for the ramps to know exactly how much traffic uses each ramp or stays straight.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 02, 2014, 09:19:18 PM
They're getting ready to do a traffic shift on the Pennyrile to accommodate the reconstruction of the interchange.

https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict2/posts/681271918611458?stream_ref=10

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Traffic ADVISORY

A contractor for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC) is continuing to ramp up work to upgrade the Interstate 69 Interchange with the Breathitt-Pennyrile Parkway and the Wendell Ford-Western Kentucky Parkway south of Madisonville in Hopkins County. To facilitate this increased level of activity the contractor plans to restrict traffic to one lane in each direction running along the Pennyrile Parkway from mile point 34.3 to mile point 35.1 starting next week.

This lane restriction with two-way traffic running on the southbound lanes will include a 15 ft. MAXIMUM LOAD WIDTH. There will be a strictly enforced 55 mile per hour speed limit in this work zone with an enhanced enforcement presence.

Motorists who regularly travel through the I-69/Pennyrile Pkwy/Western Kentucky Pkwy Interchange south of Madisonville may have already noticed construction work on crossovers in this work zone. Once those crossovers are completed, all traffic will move to the southbound lanes with two-way traffic. The contractor plans to use a median barrier wall along this restricted section for about 8/10ths of a mile.

The $29 million design-build contract was awarded to the Rogers Group, Inc., and QK4 Inc., with an expected completion date in May of 2015.

Kentucky now has 55 miles of I-69. The route follows I-24 for 17 miles from The Julian Carroll-Purchase Parkway at Calvert City to Eddyville. I-69 then runs for 38 miles along the former Wendell Ford-Western Kentucky Parkway from Eddyville to the Pennyrile Parkway near Madisonville.
The existing I-69/Pennyrile Parkway cloverleaf requires motorists to slow to about 45 miles per hour to negotiate the ramps through the interchange. The new arrangement will allow motorists to make the transition between the west and north legs of the interchange at normal highway speeds.
The interchange project in Hopkins County is among about 10 major projects scheduled over the next 2 to 3 years aimed at extended I-69 northward along the Pennyrile toward Henderson and southward along the Purchase Parkway toward Fulton. I-69 will eventually cover about 150 miles through Kentucky.

View of what the interchange will look like:

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2923/13906117198_b6ce394393.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nbQuam)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on May 02, 2014, 10:01:29 PM
They're getting ready to do a traffic shift on the Pennyrile to accommodate the reconstruction of the interchange.

https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict2/posts/681271918611458?stream_ref=10

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Traffic ADVISORY

A contractor for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC) is continuing to ramp up work to upgrade the Interstate 69 Interchange with the Breathitt-Pennyrile Parkway and the Wendell Ford-Western Kentucky Parkway south of Madisonville in Hopkins County. To facilitate this increased level of activity the contractor plans to restrict traffic to one lane in each direction running along the Pennyrile Parkway from mile point 34.3 to mile point 35.1 starting next week.

This lane restriction with two-way traffic running on the southbound lanes will include a 15 ft. MAXIMUM LOAD WIDTH. There will be a strictly enforced 55 mile per hour speed limit in this work zone with an enhanced enforcement presence.

Motorists who regularly travel through the I-69/Pennyrile Pkwy/Western Kentucky Pkwy Interchange south of Madisonville may have already noticed construction work on crossovers in this work zone. Once those crossovers are completed, all traffic will move to the southbound lanes with two-way traffic. The contractor plans to use a median barrier wall along this restricted section for about 8/10ths of a mile.

The $29 million design-build contract was awarded to the Rogers Group, Inc., and QK4 Inc., with an expected completion date in May of 2015.

Kentucky now has 55 miles of I-69. The route follows I-24 for 17 miles from The Julian Carroll-Purchase Parkway at Calvert City to Eddyville. I-69 then runs for 38 miles along the former Wendell Ford-Western Kentucky Parkway from Eddyville to the Pennyrile Parkway near Madisonville.
The existing I-69/Pennyrile Parkway cloverleaf requires motorists to slow to about 45 miles per hour to negotiate the ramps through the interchange. The new arrangement will allow motorists to make the transition between the west and north legs of the interchange at normal highway speeds.
The interchange project in Hopkins County is among about 10 major projects scheduled over the next 2 to 3 years aimed at extended I-69 northward along the Pennyrile toward Henderson and southward along the Purchase Parkway toward Fulton. I-69 will eventually cover about 150 miles through Kentucky.

View of what the interchange will look like:

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2923/13906117198_b6ce394393.jpg)
 (https://flic.kr/p/nbQuam)

Why don't they just leave it alone? Isn't the cloverleaf good enough?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: SSF on May 02, 2014, 10:58:53 PM
no, the current interchange is not good enough. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on May 02, 2014, 11:37:42 PM
Was through there last week. They have done a lot of tree clearing and grading already.

I agree that it is needed. Through traffic on an interstate shouldn't have to use a single lane cloverleaf ramp.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on May 03, 2014, 05:51:46 AM
I actually traveled that way (along all of what will be I-69 in Kentucky) yesterday and was surprised to see that they were actually building that interchange. I assume that was what I saw. Speaking of tree clearing, it appeared that there were a lot of trees cleared along the former Western Kentucky Parkway (the stretch that is now I-69.) Is having trees cleared out a certain distance from the road a standard for a highway to be an interstate?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on May 03, 2014, 06:41:34 PM
It might have been done to maintain the clear zone along 69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on May 03, 2014, 11:23:39 PM
Why does the SB 69 split involve a left exit?  Do they know that through traffic going straight on the parkway will be the more heavily travelled ramp.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on May 04, 2014, 08:57:08 AM
I have not seen the traffic forecasts, but 2 points in response to last post - today the traffic probably does favor the old WK parkway through movement, but for the design year (usually 20 years from opening year) the forecasts very likely favor I-69 movements.  Second point - whatever the traffic forecasts are, the point of the reconfiguration is to make I-69 the through route through the interchange.  The I-69 movement will not be considered an "exit".  The traffic continuing on the parkways will use new right-hand exits.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mgk920 on May 04, 2014, 09:09:09 AM
Also, it would not be beyond my realm of expectation to someday see the Pennyrile from there to I-24 becoming a full interstate (cough, cough, I-41, cough), so IMHO, such a split is appropriate.  Yes, it now does go through as a full, although not quite fully interstate-standard, freeway.

Mike
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Anthony_JK on May 04, 2014, 09:11:02 AM
Was through there last week. They have done a lot of tree clearing and grading already.

I agree that it is needed. Through traffic on an interstate shouldn't have to use a single lane cloverleaf ramp.

You mean, like I-69 just south of Memphis at the I-55/I-269 interchange?? Or, potential I-22 at the proposed I-269 interchange?

Not disagreeing with you at all, of course, but those are the execptions.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on May 04, 2014, 01:32:39 PM
I have not seen the traffic forecasts, but 2 points in response to last post - today the traffic probably does favor the old WK parkway through movement, but for the design year (usually 20 years from opening year) the forecasts very likely favor I-69 movements.  Second point - whatever the traffic forecasts are, the point of the reconfiguration is to make I-69 the through route through the interchange.  The I-69 movement will not be considered an "exit".  The traffic continuing on the parkways will use new right-hand exits.

If you look at the map, it shows 69SB veering off to the right, while thru traffic on the parkway (exit) will go to the left.  I just wondered if projected traffic volumes dictated that.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on May 04, 2014, 04:40:14 PM
Is having trees cleared out a certain distance from the road a standard for a highway to be an interstate?
Believe it or not, yes.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 04, 2014, 07:21:58 PM
Kentucky's been doing a lot of tree clearing on a lot of routes lately.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: qguy on May 05, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Kentucky's been doing a lot of tree clearing on a lot of routes lately.

Ditto the PA Turnpike.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on May 06, 2014, 04:17:06 PM
Kentucky's been doing a lot of tree clearing on a lot of routes lately.

They started here in Western Kentucky in the past 3 years or so.  Both the Audubon and Natcher have seen some trimming of major proportions.  It's certainly improved the sightlines on the hills and curves, not that they were really all that bad before.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on June 02, 2014, 12:42:17 AM
Well, when the asphalt was rehabilitated on I-64 during my college years (~2003) in the eastern part of the state, many of the rock cuts were modified to be more sloped or were cleared. They did some tree trimming, but I've noticed that the cuttings have gotten much further back recently.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on June 17, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
This article (http://surfky.com/index.php/communities/174-top-news-for-all-sites-touching-hopkins/49543-gov-beshear-announces-award-of-i-69-corridor-project-contract-in-western-kentucky) reports that KYTC has awarded a contract to bring 36.4 miles of the Pennyrile Parkway up to interstate standards, and it reports that, "The remaining portion of the I-69 Corridor is scheduled to have signs in place in late 2015":

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The new project will result in improvements to a 36.4-mile stretch of the Parkway in Hopkins, Webster and Henderson counties. The project includes pavement rehabilitation, new lighting, reconstructing ramps, widening overpass bridges and fixing vertical clearance issues on some overpass structures. Addressing outdated bridge barrier walls, disjointed pipes along the routes and low or damaged guardrails also fall within the scope of the contract ....
Once complete, I-69 in Kentucky will run north to south from the Ohio River at Henderson to the Tennessee border at Fulton. Completion of the corridor requires improvements to portions of three Kentucky parkways, all of which originally were toll roads, the Breathitt-Pennyrile, Ford-Western Kentucky and Carroll-Purchase parkways ....
The remaining portion of the I-69 Corridor is scheduled to have signs in place in late 2015.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on June 17, 2014, 03:39:03 PM
What about the Purchase Parkway?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 17, 2014, 03:47:54 PM
There's a public meeting scheduled for June 26 in Calvert City to discuss the I-24/Purchase parkway interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on June 17, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
This article (http://surfky.com/index.php/communities/174-top-news-for-all-sites-touching-hopkins/49543-gov-beshear-announces-award-of-i-69-corridor-project-contract-in-western-kentucky) reports that KYTC has awarded a contract to bring 36.4 miles of the Pennyrile Parkway up to interstate standards, and it reports that, "The remaining portion of the I-69 Corridor is scheduled to have signs in place in late 2015":

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The new project will result in improvements to a 36.4-mile stretch of the Parkway in Hopkins, Webster and Henderson counties. The project includes pavement rehabilitation, new lighting, reconstructing ramps, widening overpass bridges and fixing vertical clearance issues on some overpass structures. Addressing outdated bridge barrier walls, disjointed pipes along the routes and low or damaged guardrails also fall within the scope of the contract ....
Once complete, I-69 in Kentucky will run north to south from the Ohio River at Henderson to the Tennessee border at Fulton. Completion of the corridor requires improvements to portions of three Kentucky parkways, all of which originally were toll roads, the Breathitt-Pennyrile, Ford-Western Kentucky and Carroll-Purchase parkways ....
The remaining portion of the I-69 Corridor is scheduled to have signs in place in late 2015.

In other words, KYTC just told Ron Payne to pound sand.  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on June 18, 2014, 11:23:28 AM

In other words, KYTC just told Ron Payne to pound sand.  :-D :-D :-D

Pretty much..until Payne starts pimping routing 69 across the Audubon, around Owensboro and over the Natcher to his mythical Jasper-Washington Interstate. IMO, Payne doesn't shut up until the ribbon is cut on the new bridge, or 67 is approved.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 18, 2014, 11:48:43 AM
IMO, Payne doesn't shut up until the ribbon is cut on the new bridge, or 67 is approved.

It's an election year for local offices in Kentucky. Does Payne have any opposition?

I don't know if Owensboro's mayoral race is partisan or nonpartisan. If it's partisan, candidates will have already filed. If it's nonpartisan, they have until August to file. Some mayoral races in Kentucky are partisan and some are not.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 18, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
Press release on the I-69/Purchase Parkway public meeting. (Don't have to be a Facebook member to view).

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=681997218502696&set=a.193392244029865.38034.168622233173533&type=1
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on June 19, 2014, 12:15:26 AM
IMO, Payne doesn't shut up until the ribbon is cut on the new bridge, or 67 is approved.

It's an election year for local offices in Kentucky. Does Payne have any opposition?

I don't know if Owensboro's mayoral race is partisan or nonpartisan. If it's partisan, candidates will have already filed. If it's nonpartisan, they have until August to file. Some mayoral races in Kentucky are partisan and some are not.

Payne is, as of now, unopposed. I've no idea why.  :eyebrow: Our city races are nonpartisan.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on June 19, 2014, 08:02:03 PM

Payne is, as of now, unopposed. I've no idea why.  :eyebrow: Our city races are nonpartisan.

Sounds like an opportunity for anyone in Owensboro with an ounce of common sense. Maybe you should throw your hat in the ring?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on June 20, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
No way. My blood pressure's high now ... I don't need the stress of :banghead: undoing his doings! Lol!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on June 22, 2014, 12:15:36 PM
This article (http://surfky.com/index.php/communities/174-top-news-for-all-sites-touching-hopkins/49543-gov-beshear-announces-award-of-i-69-corridor-project-contract-in-western-kentucky) reports that KYTC has awarded a contract to bring 36.4 miles of the Pennyrile Parkway up to interstate standards, and it reports that, "The remaining portion of the I-69 Corridor is scheduled to have signs in place in late 2015"
What about the Purchase Parkway?

This article from the Alliance for I-69 Texas website (http://www.i69texasalliance.com/NewsUpdates/update%206.21.14%20DC%20FlyIn.html) provides state-by-state I-69 updates and reports that all of I-69 in Kentucky (with the exception of the Ohio River bridge) should have I-69 shields by 2017:

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A total of 59 miles of Interstate 69 has been added to the Interstate Highway System in Kentucky and more than $125 million is budgeted over the next few years to upgrade the remaining 95 miles of existing parkways to interstate standard.  Some $34 million in construction is underway to reconstruct the interchange of the Pennyrile Parkway. It is anticipated that the entire 154 miles in Kentucky will be signed with the I-69 shield by 2017.
Groups in Kentucky and Indiana are concentrating efforts on advocating construction of an I-69 bridge over the Ohio River at Henderson, Kentucky.
 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on June 27, 2014, 03:18:37 PM
Press release on the I-69/Purchase Parkway public meeting. (Don't have to be a Facebook member to view).
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=681997218502696&set=a.193392244029865.38034.168622233173533&type=1

This June 18 article (behind $1.00 paywall) (http://www.the-messenger.com/news/local/article_9fdf3c8a-f70f-11e3-9dab-001a4bcf887a.html?success=2) reported that both plans to be presented at the Open House would reportedly eliminate the stretch of the Purchase Parkway from the I-69/I-24 interchange north to Calvert City (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Calvert+City,+KY/@36.9911237,-88.3463403,3044m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x887a6ed4c5d6d13b:0xdb0dd66befc2e54c):

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According to one local source, the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet will present two different redesigns to the I-24 and Purchase Parkway intersection at a meeting scheduled by the Transportation Cabinet on Thursday, June 26 at 5 p.m. in the Calvert City Civic Center. Both those plans will reportedly eliminate the stretch of Purchase Parkway from the intersection to Calvert City.
The proposed change in the Purchase Parkway will affect hundreds if not thousands of commuters every day as well as large amounts of commercial traffic.

The new design will force traffic to use the intersection at I-24 and U.S. Highway 62 some distance further east of the present Purchase Parkway and U.S. Hwy. 62 interchange or use Hwy. 95 from U.S. High 68 as north bound traffic to Calvert City did before the construction of Purchase Parkway.

However, this article (http://wkms.org/post/kytc-engineers-hear-public-comment-i-69i-24-connector-shutdown) reports that KYTC ran into a lot of local resistance to elimination of the Purchase Parkway spur and that KYTC is "gonna go back to the drawing board":

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Deputy State Highway Engineer Gary Valentine says there's been concern over the effect shutting down the interchange’s connecting spur would have on drivers' commutes. But he says the interchange doesn't meet Federal Highway safety requirements and must be updated. Valentine says it needs to accommodate the safety of out-of-state travelers who have to make decisions at high speeds.
“Not the locals who know the area but the national traveler, it has to meet their expectations to make sure they maneuver the interchange safely," said Valentine. "So our initial options did do that but we do recognize that we have heard the public, and that’s a major concern. So what we’ve committed to is that we’re gonna go back to the drawing board. Reexamine is there any way to meet the national and regional needs of I-69 and kinda mitigate the impacts to the local community here.” 
Valentine says project engineers will now look at other options, present them before the FHWA and come back later in the year to meet with the public again.
Construction on the interchange has been tentatively scheduled for 2016.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 27, 2014, 04:26:58 PM
Here are three stories about it:

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/25884014/state-goes-back-to-the-drawing-board-for-i-69-interchange-plans
 
http://www.marshallcountydaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8313:transportation-cabinet-set-to-go-back-to-the-drawing-board-on-proposed-purchase-parkway-closure-&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50
 
http://www.westkentuckystar.com/News/Local-Regional/Western-Kentucky/Engineers-Willing-to-Alter-Plans-for-Calvert-I-24.aspx

I don't know why they can't use a design similar to what's being used at the WK/Pennyrile interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on July 01, 2014, 03:56:23 AM
I don't know why they can't use a design similar to what's being used at the WK/Pennyrile interchange.

Without seeing any diagrams of what the engineers were proposing, I can't see what the issue would be except for trying to keep it under the $38 million budget; maintaining the northern stub while adding a high-speed connection, eliminating the mainline loop weaves, and keeping full access at US 62 may just be too much for the budget to bear, particularly given the Highway 95 overpass just to the west.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on July 27, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
This July 23 article (http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/governor-hails-pennyrilei69-project_64582970) reports that a contract has been awarded to upgrade the KY 56/ Sebree interchange, and that the final Pennyrile interchange upgrade project, KY 813 near Mortons Gap, is scheduled to be let January 2015:

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Gov. Steve Beshear on Wednesday formally announced the awarding of a contract to upgrade the Kentucky 56/Sebree interchange to help the Pennyrile Parkway become part of Interstate 69.
Dumey Contracting of Benton, Missouri, was awarded the contract on a low bid of $10 million. The project has a completion date of Oct. 1, 2015. ....
The contract to Dumey was the second awarded this year for the I-69 corridor. The first, to Hall Contracting of Kentucky Inc., was for improvement of a 36.4-mile stretch of the Breathitt-Pennyrile Parkway in Hopkins, Webster and Henderson counties. It has a completion date of August 2015.
Late last year, Hazex Construction was awarded a contract to rebuilding the Kentucky 416/Robards interchange in southern Henderson County.
With the awarding of a contract for a new interchange near Sebree, the only interchange remaining is the KY 813 interchange with the Breathitt-Pennyrile near Mortons Gap. The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet expects to put it out for bids in January 2015.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on September 11, 2014, 09:43:07 PM
This article from the Alliance for I-69 Texas website (http://www.i69texasalliance.com/NewsUpdates/update%206.21.14%20DC%20FlyIn.html) provides state-by-state I-69 updates and reports that all of I-69 in Kentucky (with the exception of the Ohio River bridge) should have I-69 shields by 2017:
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It is anticipated that the entire 154 miles in Kentucky will be signed with the I-69 shield by 2017.
This July 23 article (http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/governor-hails-pennyrilei69-project_64582970) reports that ... the final Pennyrile interchange upgrade project, KY 813 near Mortons Gap, is scheduled to be let January 2015

This article (http://www.lanereport.com/38524/2014/09/construction-contracted-awarded-for-i-69-in-marshall-graves-counties/) reports that, in addition to the recent Pennyrile Parkway contracts, a contract was recently awarded to upgrade thirty miles of the Purchase Parkway to interstate standards:

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Gov. Steve Beshear today announced the awarding of a contract for improvements needed to bring a portion of the Julian M. Carroll Purchase Parkway up to interstate highway standards and eventual designation as Interstate 69.
The project involves reconstruction of 30 miles of the parkway from Exit 22 (mile point 22) in Graves County to U.S. 62 at Calvert City (mile point 52) in Marshall County. Hall Contracting of Kentucky was awarded the contract on a low bid of $8.08 million. The project has a completion date of Sept. 15, 2015.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on September 11, 2014, 11:10:27 PM
I'm not sure if this includes reconstruction of the I-24 interchange or not. It says the project area runs to US 62.
Title: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 12, 2014, 08:41:20 AM
At that point they can't not post Temp-69 shields on 41 in Henderson, right?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on September 12, 2014, 11:02:09 AM
Or maybe "To I-69."
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on September 12, 2014, 12:54:31 PM
At that point they can't not post Temp-69 shields on 41 in Henderson, right?
I'm pretty sure that Temp shields have fallen out of use.  I don't even think they're allowed any more.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on September 12, 2014, 01:05:19 PM
At that point they can't not post Temp-69 shields on 41 in Henderson, right?
I'm pretty sure that Temp shields have fallen out of use.  I don't even think they're allowed any more.
North Carolina got them approved. But those are on freeways that are not quite up to standards (e.g. I-26 in Asheville). TO I-69 would probably work better in Henderson.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: roadman65 on September 12, 2014, 01:20:15 PM
Is the upgrade of the Purchase Parkway planned anytime soon? 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on September 12, 2014, 02:12:41 PM
I'm not sure if this includes reconstruction of the I-24 interchange or not. It says the project area runs to US 62.

Are the interchange reconstruction projects usually always separate?

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Gov. Steve Beshear today announced the awarding of a contract for improvements needed to bring a portion of the Julian M. Carroll Purchase Parkway up to interstate highway standards and eventual designation as Interstate 69.



From the quote above, it sounds like this project wouldn't be all that is needed to bring it up to interstate standards, or the article would say that it WILL be I-69 when finished, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on September 12, 2014, 09:06:45 PM
North Carolina got them approved. But those are on freeways that are not quite up to standards (e.g. I-26 in Asheville). TO I-69 would probably work better in Henderson.

I haven't seen any TEMP banners in North Carolina. I've seen plenty of FUTURE banners with an I-26 marker that does not have the word INTERSTATE on it.

Is the upgrade of the Purchase Parkway planned anytime soon? 

This is for the Purchase Parkway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 12, 2014, 09:41:17 PM

At that point they can't not post Temp-69 shields on 41 in Henderson, right?
I'm pretty sure that Temp shields have fallen out of use.  I don't even think they're allowed any more.

I realize this, and think it's high time they made an encore.  Perfect application for it.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Tom958 on September 17, 2014, 04:57:18 AM
What type(s) of median barriers are being used on the parkways? I'm just curious.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on September 17, 2014, 10:20:04 AM
Cable barriers?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on September 17, 2014, 01:23:43 PM
When I drove the length of the WK last year, there weren't any barriers in the median other than some Jersey barriers in the areas where they had lowered the roadway surface under some of the underpasses to increase bridge clearance.

The cable barriers have been placed on interstates where there have been some crossover wrecks.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on September 17, 2014, 04:52:28 PM
They'd be smart to get signs that say "TO I-69", since those can be reused elsewhere later.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 17, 2014, 05:37:27 PM

They'd be smart to get signs that say "TO I-69", since those can be reused elsewhere later.

Or left there.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on September 18, 2014, 01:20:52 AM
Drove past the Pennyrile-WK interchange today and work is progressing nicely. I took a picture but am too stupid to figure out how to upload it on this board..lol.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on September 18, 2014, 10:34:17 PM
Drove past the Pennyrile-WK interchange today and work is progressing nicely. I took a picture but am too stupid to figure out how to upload it on this board..lol.

Email it to me and I will stick it up on Photobucket or Imgur and post it. my username here @gmail.com will get it to me.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on October 24, 2014, 04:23:47 PM
This June 18 article (behind $1.00 paywall) (http://www.the-messenger.com/news/local/article_9fdf3c8a-f70f-11e3-9dab-001a4bcf887a.html?success=2) reported that both plans to be presented at the Open House would reportedly eliminate the stretch of the Purchase Parkway from the I-69/I-24 interchange north to Calvert City (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Calvert+City,+KY/@36.9911237,-88.3463403,3044m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x887a6ed4c5d6d13b:0xdb0dd66befc2e54c):
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According to one local source, the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet will present two different redesigns to the I-24 and Purchase Parkway intersection at a meeting scheduled by the Transportation Cabinet on Thursday, June 26 at 5 p.m. in the Calvert City Civic Center. Both those plans will reportedly eliminate the stretch of Purchase Parkway from the intersection to Calvert City.
The proposed change in the Purchase Parkway will affect hundreds if not thousands of commuters every day as well as large amounts of commercial traffic.

However, this article (http://wkms.org/post/kytc-engineers-hear-public-comment-i-69i-24-connector-shutdown) reports that KYTC ran into a lot of local resistance to elimination of the Purchase Parkway spur and that KYTC is "gonna go back to the drawing board"

This article (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/26835025/solution-proposed-for-interchange-update) reports that KYTC has come up with a solution that will allow traffic to use the spur, that FHWA approval is not expected to be a problem, and that construction on the interchange could begin next October:

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A local lawmaker is expressing optimism that a new Interstate 69 interchange won't cut off a route into Calvert City.
The concern is over changes to the cloverleaf between the Purchase Parkway and Interstate 24.

State representative Will Coursey spoke with Kentucky Transportation leaders on Friday.
“The Cabinet heard our concerns and has come up with a solution that solves the problem,” said Rep. Coursey, (D) Benton. “All that remains is approval by the Federal Highway Administration, something that is not expected to be an issue. Assuming that's the case, this is great news for the region and especially for those who would have been negatively affected under the previous proposal.”
If approved, construction on the updated interchange could start next October.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on October 28, 2014, 09:15:00 AM
Because it's so hard to go a mile down I-24/69 and just use the other interchange. That segment of US 62 is like a wasteland of tourism past - abandoned/closed/underused hotels and motels, shuttered restaurants, bygone amusements and unrestricted access and planning.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on October 28, 2014, 12:36:19 PM
This July 23 article (http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/governor-hails-pennyrilei69-project_64582970)
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Late last year, Hazex Construction was awarded a contract to rebuilding the Kentucky 416/Robards interchange in southern Henderson County.

This article (http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/news/southern-ramps-on-pennyriles-robards-interchange-to-open_69635777) reports that a ribbon-cutting is being held today, October 28, for the KY 416/ Robards interchange:

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For the first 40 years of the Pennyrile Parkway’s existence, the Kentucky 416/Robards interchange remained half built.
Only the northern portion was constructed.
Traffic southbound from Henderson could exit the Pennyrile there to travel to Robards and various industries including the Big Rivers Electric power plants, the adjacent Century Aluminum smelter, Tyson Foods and Columbia Sportswear. Traffic in that area could get on the Pennyrile only northbound back toward Henderson.
But in a move to save money, the southern half of the interchange went unbuilt. Instead, motorists heading to or coming from south of Robards had to use the Pennyrile exit several miles away at Sebree and use U.S. 41.
Four decades later, that’s about to change. To bring the Pennyrile Parkway up to interstate standards so it can become part of Interstate 69, the state is upgrading various interchanges, including rebuilding the Robards exit to a full-diamond interchange.
The completion of the$4.9 million Robards interchange project will be celebrated at a ceremony at 12:45 p.m. Tuesday featuring area officials, Kentucky Transportation Cabinet engineers, contractor Hazex Construction of Henderson and, as a special guest, Federal Highway Administration Kentucky Division Administrator Jose Sepulveda, who has been instrumental in Kentucky’s endeavors to convert state parkways into I-69.
At approximately 2 p.m., the new ramps on the south side of the interchange will be opened to the public for the first time.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on October 29, 2014, 11:07:31 AM
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/news/first-i69-project-rebuilt-robards-interchange-finished-on-pennyrile_17548997

Here's an article on the interchange opening yesterday

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With lights flashing and siren blaring, Robards Volunteer Fire Department pumper truck 454 became the ceremonial first vehicle to use the new southbound on-ramp at the Kentucky 56/Robards interchange on the Pennyrile Parkway on Tuesday afternoon.

The opening of the southern portion of the interchange also represents the near-completion of the first of six projects along the Pennyrile that will bring the parkway up to interstate standards.

Those projects will enable the Pennyrile to become part of Interstate 69 from Henderson to just south of Madisonville by the end of 2015, state and federal highway officials said during a ribbon-cutting at the interchange.

In fact, one of the final two contracts to be awarded will be for installing the red, white and blue interstate shield signs and new mile markers along the Pennyrile, according to Kevin McClearn, the chief district engineer for the Kentucky Department of Highways’ District 2 in Madisonville.

There's other good deal in the article on the current status of all the other Pennyrile I-69 upgrade projects.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on October 29, 2014, 11:22:02 AM
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“We need the shields to bring truck traffic and new industry,” state Sen. Dorsey Ridley of Henderson said. Economic development officials have long said that out-of-state industries have a difficult time grasping that Kentucky’s state parkways are quite similar to interstate in terms of speed and capacity.

Why not just sign all parkways as the us routes or state routes a lot of them parallel?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on October 29, 2014, 02:56:49 PM
Or actually signing the parkway with signs that motorists can read? :)

Bring back the old Daniel Boone and Mountain Parkway shields! And while you are at it, make the Audubon Parkway a bird, Western Kentucky an open pit coal mine, the Purchase Parkway a farm field...
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on October 29, 2014, 07:39:47 PM
this makes me wonder, why weren't these roads ever signed as us routes or state routes?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 29, 2014, 10:12:51 PM
this makes me wonder, why weren't these roads ever signed as us routes or state routes?

Weren't US routes because of the tolls I bet.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on October 30, 2014, 09:50:38 AM
Well, they have state route designations, but I suspect it's because most people know them as the "Western Kentucky Parkway," not KY 9009.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: billtm on October 30, 2014, 02:36:35 PM
Well, they have state route designations, but I suspect it's because most people know them as the "Western Kentucky Parkway," not KY 9009.

What's the use of having the hidden state route designations for the parkways anyway? :confused:
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on October 30, 2014, 03:20:08 PM
Internal controls, such as for logging work and expenditures.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on December 05, 2014, 02:23:43 PM
This article (http://surfky.com/index.php/communities/174-top-news-for-all-sites-touching-hopkins/49543-gov-beshear-announces-award-of-i-69-corridor-project-contract-in-western-kentucky) reports that KYTC has awarded a contract to bring 36.4 miles of the Pennyrile Parkway up to interstate standards, and it reports that, "The remaining portion of the I-69 Corridor is scheduled to have signs in place in late 2015

This Dec. 3 article (http://www.tristatehomepage.com/story/d/story/i-69-signs-going-up-in-western-kentucky/12613/ltYZRTdA_0GMe04goxiDEg) projects that I-69 shields will be installed on the Pennyrile by the end of 2015, with currently scheduled work on the Pennyrile-to-I-69 upgrade anticipated to be completed by August, 2015:

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Transportation engineers say I-69 signage should be seen through Hopkins County by the end of next year. Right now, 36 miles of the Pennyrile Parkway is being upgraded to interstate standards. That stretches through Hopkins County, Webster County, and Henderson County.
The work is scheduled to be done in August of 2015.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on December 12, 2014, 10:32:51 PM
This article (http://www.lanereport.com/38524/2014/09/construction-contracted-awarded-for-i-69-in-marshall-graves-counties/) reports that, in addition to the recent Pennyrile Parkway contracts, a contract was recently awarded to upgrade thirty miles of the Purchase Parkway to interstate standards

Governor Beshear's office has issued a press release (http://migration.kentucky.gov/newsroom/governor/20141212i69corridor.htm) announcing the award of a contract to upgrade the KY 348 interchange on the Purchase Parkway:

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Governor Steve Beshear today announced the award of a contract for more of the improvements needed for bringing the Julian M. Carroll Purchase Parkway up to interstate highway standards and eventual designation as Interstate 69.
The project involves reconstruction of the interchange at KY 348, starting at mile point 42.1 to Exit 43 at Benton in Marshall County – a distance of about 1 mile. The existing cloverleaf interchange will be converted to a diamond interchange to accommodate traffic moving at modern highway speeds. Jim Smith Contracting Co. was awarded the contract on a low bid of $8.15 million. The project has a completion date of June 30, 2016 ....
The remaining portion of the I-69 Corridor is scheduled to have signs in place in the summer of 2015.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on December 19, 2014, 10:38:50 AM
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/news/changes-coming-to-pennyrilei69-interchange_57445731

New ramp from the Pennyrile to W. Kentucky Parkway (I-69) opening Saturday, allowing for folks to maintain Interstate speeds.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 19, 2014, 07:18:13 PM
They've put that off until Jan. 5.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on January 07, 2015, 02:05:05 AM
They've put that off until Jan. 5.

Went past there today, the ramp is now open.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on January 26, 2015, 11:12:46 AM
This Dec. 3 article (http://www.tristatehomepage.com/story/d/story/i-69-signs-going-up-in-western-kentucky/12613/ltYZRTdA_0GMe04goxiDEg) projects that I-69 shields will be installed on the Pennyrile by the end of 2015

This article (http://surfky.com/index.php/component/content/article/174-top-news-for-all-sites-touching-hopkins/57007-mcclearn-optimistic-i-69-signs-will-go-up-between-madisonville-and-henderson-by-years-end) reports that KYTC still expects to sign the Pennyrile by the end of 2015, and it provides a listing of the new I-69 exit numbers that will replact the current Pennyrile numbers:

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Kentucky Transportation Cabinet District 2 Chief Engineer Kevin McClearn is optimistic Interstate 69 can be extended up the Pennyrile Parkway from Madisonville to Henderson by the end of the year ....
"We plan to meet the requirements mapped out in an official agreement between KYTC and the Federal Highway Administration to allow us to place I-69 signs along 41.8 miles of the Pennyrile, allowing it to officially become a part of the Interstate system," McClearn said. "Once we have our list of projects completed or under contract, we can request approval to move ahead with the required signage and new exit numbers. We expect to gain that approval this summer." ....
I-69 will bring the following shift in exit numbers along the Pennyrile.
McClearn noted that the agency now knows what those changes will be:
•Kentucky 813 Mortons Gap Exit 37 to Exit 108
•Kentucky 2171 Earlington/Madisonville Exit 40 to Exit 111
•Kentucky 70 Madisonville/Central City Exit 42 to Exit 114
•Kentucky 281 Madisonville Exit 44 to Exit 116
•U.S. 41 Madisonville Exit 45 to Exit 117
•Kentucky 260 Hanson Exit 49 to Exit 120
•Kentucky 136 Calhoun/Slaughters Exit 54 to Exit 125
•Kentucky 56 Sebree/Owensboro Exit 63 to Exit 134
•Kentucky 416 Robards/Niagara Exit 68 to Exit 140
•Kentucky 425 Henderson Bypass Exit 76 to Exit 148 A and B
McClearn said a similar effort is being made in KYTC District 1 to gain approval to push I-69 southward along the Purchase Parkway toward Fulton where exit numbers will also change.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on January 26, 2015, 02:54:35 PM
Why would the Purchase's exit numbers change? Are they mis-measured or something?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Tom958 on January 31, 2015, 12:34:52 PM
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/news/changes-coming-to-pennyrilei69-interchange_57445731

New ramp from the Pennyrile to W. Kentucky Parkway (I-69) opening Saturday, allowing for folks to maintain Interstate speeds.


"On Saturday, the contractor plans to open one lane of the ramp leading from the southbound Pennyrile to I-69 heading west toward Eddyville. Traffic will be limited to 55 miles per hour for the time being." As tight as that curve looks, I'd be surprised if the new roadways were ever posted for more than 55mph.
(http://mediaassets.courierpress.com/photo/2014/12/18/Interchange_11392175_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on January 31, 2015, 03:56:41 PM
OH MY GOD A LEFT EXIT
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: wdcrft63 on January 31, 2015, 04:11:46 PM
Maybe not. I guess the concept is that the Western Ky Parkway traffic is exiting I-69, instead of the other way around.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on January 31, 2015, 04:40:56 PM
Maybe not. I guess the concept is that the Western Ky Parkway traffic is exiting I-69, instead of the other way around.
A left exit from 69 *southbound*. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Tom958 on January 31, 2015, 06:16:42 PM
Maybe not. I guess the concept is that the Western Ky Parkway traffic is exiting I-69, instead of the other way around.
A left exit from 69 *southbound*. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


A case could be made that there is, but it doesn't bother me since the split is in the intuitive direction. Cheaper + better = win.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 31, 2015, 09:17:17 PM
I don't think the designation of I-69 will result in any traffic pattern changes at this exit for a long, long time.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on January 31, 2015, 09:26:18 PM
I don't think the designation of I-69 will result in any traffic pattern changes at this exit for a long, long time.
Indeed. 70-57-55 will continue to be the better route.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on February 02, 2015, 04:52:21 PM
In the short/medium term it will add more traffic to the Pennyrile than people turning to stay on I-69, since that will be the better route from SW Indiana to Nashville and points south (and vice-versa) than I-65.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on February 02, 2015, 05:52:19 PM
In the short/medium term it will add more traffic to the Pennyrile than people turning to stay on I-69, since that will be the better route from SW Indiana to Nashville and points south (and vice-versa) than I-65.

I would think that the people that live in SW Indiana already use US 41->Pennyrile->I-24 as a route to Nashville and points south and east, so I don't see how the I-69 designation will really change that.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mgk920 on February 02, 2015, 08:53:28 PM
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/news/changes-coming-to-pennyrilei69-interchange_57445731

New ramp from the Pennyrile to W. Kentucky Parkway (I-69) opening Saturday, allowing for folks to maintain Interstate speeds.


"On Saturday, the contractor plans to open one lane of the ramp leading from the southbound Pennyrile to I-69 heading west toward Eddyville. Traffic will be limited to 55 miles per hour for the time being." As tight as that curve looks, I'd be surprised if the new roadways were ever posted for more than 55mph.
(http://mediaassets.courierpress.com/photo/2014/12/18/Interchange_11392175_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)

I've mentioned this before, but I can't help but think that there might be some (unpublicized) plans lurking around somewhere to someday upgrade the Pennyrile from there to I-24 just south of Hopkinsville to full interstate standards (a southern 'I-41', anyone?).

 :nod:

Mike
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: roadman65 on February 02, 2015, 08:57:12 PM
How about I-366 being that the Western Kentucky is supposed to be someday I-66?  I think it would make a better candidate for that than VA 28.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 02, 2015, 10:28:35 PM
How about I-366 being that the Western Kentucky is supposed to be someday I-66?  I think it would make a better candidate for that than VA 28.

But Kentucky doesn't have an 85 mph speed limit.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on March 23, 2015, 04:57:15 PM
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/news/changes-coming-to-pennyrilei69-interchange_57445731

New ramp from the Pennyrile to W. Kentucky Parkway (I-69) opening Saturday, allowing for folks to maintain Interstate speeds.


"On Saturday, the contractor plans to open one lane of the ramp leading from the southbound Pennyrile to I-69 heading west toward Eddyville. Traffic will be limited to 55 miles per hour for the time being." As tight as that curve looks, I'd be surprised if the new roadways were ever posted for more than 55mph.
(http://mediaassets.courierpress.com/photo/2014/12/18/Interchange_11392175_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)

Ahh this will be a very interesting interchange when complete

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on March 25, 2015, 01:13:57 PM
This article (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/26835025/solution-proposed-for-interchange-update) reports that KYTC has come up with a solution that will allow traffic to use the spur, that FHWA approval is not expected to be a problem, and that construction on the interchange could begin next October:
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A local lawmaker is expressing optimism that a new Interstate 69 interchange won't cut off a route into Calvert City.
The concern is over changes to the cloverleaf between the Purchase Parkway and Interstate 24.
State representative Will Coursey spoke with Kentucky Transportation leaders on Friday.
“The Cabinet heard our concerns and has come up with a solution that solves the problem,” said Rep. Coursey, (D) Benton. “All that remains is approval by the Federal Highway Administration, something that is not expected to be an issue."

This article (http://www.lex18.com/story/28611227/gov-beshear-announces-redesign-of-interchange-to-preserve-interstate-access-for-calvert-city) reports that FHWA has approved the design that includes the spur into Calvert City and a contract for the interchange reconstruction is expected to be let this Fall:

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Governor Steve Beshear today announced that engineers designing the corridor for Interstate 69 can rebuild a key interchange for Interstate 24 in Marshall County in a way that preserves direct interstate access to U.S. 62 at Calvert City.
“The project team has come up with a design that accomplishes two important objectives,” Gov. Beshear said. “It will result in an interchange that meets federal interstate standards. At the same time, it will maintain a critical connection for Calvert City.”
The key to the project will be construction of a separate ramp – called a “flyover” ramp – to afford traffic an exit from I-69 North onto the Julian M. Carroll Purchase Parkway
, which directly connects with U.S. 62 and KY 1523 – Oak Park Boulevard – in Calvert City ....
The I-24/Purchase Parkway interchange was among nine targeted for reconstruction, and a contract for the project is expected to be awarded this fall. Five other interchanges are completed or under construction.
The I-24/Purchase Parkway interchange lies at the western end of an 18-mile segment of interstate on which I-69 and I-24 run concurrently. This interchange is unique in that it involves a major fork where two interstates combine.  Under the project design, the interstates will split immediately east of the interchange. Traffic continuing west on I-24 will bear to the right. Traffic going south on I-69 will peel off to the left.
Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) rules for interstate highways require “route continuity” – meaning traffic staying on a particular interstate route within the confines of an interchange must be able to do so seamlessly, with no loss of speed.
However, there is no such requirement for traffic switching from one interstate route to another – in this case, from I-69 northbound to I-24 westbound. FHWA has approved retention of a cloverleaf ramp for this traffic movement ....
The new design preserves three of the existing cloverleaf ramps. It eliminates a fourth ramp that currently serves as the Fulton exit for I-24 westbound traffic. The design also eliminates the ramp that currently serves as the Nashville exit for northbound parkway traffic merging into I-24 East/I-69 North. In place of that ramp will be the new mainline I-69 movements and the flyover ramp for Calvert City.

edit

Here is a snip of the interchange redesign map (http://governor.ky.gov/Press%20Release%20Attachments/20150325_I-69interchange.pdf) from Gov. Beshear's press release (http://migration.kentucky.gov/newsroom/governor/20150325interchange.htm) that provides an illustration of the flyover ramp from Future I-69/Purchase Parkway northbound to the Purchase Parkway spur:

(http://i.imgur.com/uOuAsyK.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on March 25, 2015, 08:58:03 PM
That design looks rather familiar...
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 27, 2015, 10:52:58 AM
A left exit for 69 SB?  Given the large amount of traffic that uses I-24 and the relatively tiny amount of traffic that will ever use I-69, that ramp needs to be right-hand.  This design is going to cause weaving problems between the service interchange with US 62 and the left-hand exit.

-1 for Kentucky
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on March 27, 2015, 11:11:14 AM
A left exit for 69 SB?  Given the large amount of traffic that uses I-24 and the relatively tiny amount of traffic that will ever use I-69, that ramp needs to be right-hand.  This design is going to cause weaving problems between the service interchange with US 62 and the left-hand exit.

-1 for Kentucky

There will also be a left exit at the I-69/Pennyrile/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange where drivers going south on I-69 will need to stay to the right to continue on I-69. In this case, though. most of the traffic will probably stay on the Pennyrile.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on March 27, 2015, 11:43:41 AM
I hate left hand exits, they aren't so bad in rural areas, but the few that still exist in urban areas are awful!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on March 27, 2015, 12:37:12 PM
This design is going to cause weaving problems between the service interchange with US 62 and the left-hand exit.
They'll probably direct traffic to take US 62 west to the Purchase.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on April 05, 2015, 08:20:47 AM
Contract awarded to resign the Pennyrile Parkway as I-69
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/columnists/chuck-stinnett/c-stinnett-state-awards-i69-sign-contract-fazolis-remodeling-starts_25107190

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Further evidence that Interstate 69 is on its way to Henderson: The state has awarded a contract to install I-69 shields and related signs along nearly 41 miles of what's now the Pennyrile Parkway from just south of Henderson to southern Hopkins County.

That Pennyrile is being upgraded to interstate standards from here to the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange near Nortonville so it can be turned into I-69 later this year.

But it wouldn't be an interstate without interstate signs.

The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet awarded a $3.2 million contract to install new shields, overhead signs, interstate mile markers and other signs from the Kentucky 425/South Bypass just south of Henderson to near the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange in southern Hopkins County near Nortonville.

The "primary completion date" for the I-69 sign project is Oct. 15.

The contract was awarded last week to low bidder Eden Fence Inc. of Elizabethtown.

It's not certain when the public will see the I-69 shields on the Pennyrile. "The (state) engineer will advise the contractor when the signs may be displayed," according to the state's official project proposal said.

"The contractor is advised that no signs depicting the change in designation of the (Pennyrile) Parkway to I-69 will be displayed prior to the contract award of the Morton's Gap interchange project" south of Madisonville, the document states.

The contract to reconstruct that interchange is scheduled to be let on May 29.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on April 06, 2015, 08:11:09 PM
Contract awarded to resign the Pennyrile Parkway as I-69
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/columnists/chuck-stinnett/c-stinnett-state-awards-i69-sign-contract-fazolis-remodeling-starts_25107190
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... The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet awarded a $3.2 million contract to install new shields, overhead signs, interstate mile markers and other signs from the Kentucky 425/South Bypass just south of Henderson to near the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange in southern Hopkins County near Nortonville.

This article (http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/news/stretch-of-us-41south-might-become-kentucky-2084_86678070) reports that, with I-69 having its temporary terminus at the KY 425/South Bypass interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Henderson,+KY/@37.8065814,-87.5558398,6568m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x88702827d1c4d369:0x9aa976ef3c352ce3), and with the Pennyrile ending 40 miles south in Hopkins County, the northern three miles of the current Pennyrile will be redesignated as US 41 and the current stretch of US 41 South from south of KY 351 to KY 425 will be redesignated as KY 2084:

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The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet is proposing to reroute — at least on paper and signs — more than two miles of U.S. 41-South in Henderson, redesignating that stretch as Kentucky 2084, according to state documents reviewed by The Gleaner.
The proposed change — which has to do with Interstate 69 — would affect U.S. 41-South from the Kentucky 425/South Bypass north to at least Kentucky 812/Airline Road/Outer Clay Street
...
All this relates to the effort to bring I-69 north up the Pennyrile Parkway from southern Hopkins County later this year. Tens of millions of dollars are being spent to upgrade the parkway to interstate standards, including a $3.2 million contract awarded last week for installing I-69 shields, mile markers and other signs along almost 41 miles of parkway, which would cease being part of the Pennyrile.
The Gleaner's review of the project proposal for that sign work revealed that the Kentucky Transportation intends for I-69 to terminate at what is now the Pennyrile interchange with the Kentucky 425/South Bypass south of Henderson.
State highway officials weren't available for comment on Monday, pending a planned announcement by the governor's office.
But it's likely that the interstate designation for the four-lane highway will stop there because the state isn't sure where I-69 will go from there. The original proposal had been for I-69 to split off from the existing roadway near Kentucky 425 and extend north, crossing the Audubon Parkway, Kentucky 351 and U.S. 60-East a few miles east of Henderson before crossing the Ohio River on a new bridge.
However, the bridge project is in limbo. Kentucky doesn't know where it will find the money — once estimated at $1.4 billion — to pay for so many miles of new four-lane highway in addition to its share of the bridge.
With progress on the bridge and approaches largely stalled, the Henderson-Evansville I-69 advocacy group BridgeLink last July proposed tying I-69 into what's known locally as the U.S. 41-Bypass (although officially it's simply U.S. 41). That, along with a proposal to build a four-lane bridge instead of the six-lane span that was originally proposed, could reduce the cost of the project to approximately $800 million, Henderson Mayor Steve Austin said in announcing the July proposal.
But the Federal Highway Administration hasn't ruled on what route I-69 will take past Henderson, perhaps prompting the state to "stop" the interstate at Kentucky 425 south of town.
But that creates a dilemma: What will the three miles of four-lane north of Kentucky 425 be labeled?
It won't I-69, at least for now, and it won't be the Pennyrile; the parkway will officially end 40 miles south in Hopkins County.
The state's proposed solution is to extend the U.S. 41 designation south three miles to where the I-69 designation will end at Kentucky 425.
U.S. 41 would then exit the four-lane highway at that interchange, running west a short distance to reconnect with U.S. 41-South
, just south of the state police post.
That has prompted the state to propose renaming, to Kentucky 2084, the two-lane section of existing U.S. 41-South that lies south of Outer Second Street/Kentucky 351 ....
When the Pennyrile Parkway was built in the late 1960s, it ran directly into the end of what locals call the U.S. 41-Bypass just south of Zion Road.
Motorists in the city still needed to reach U.S. 41-South, including by turning south from Outer Second Street.
What few Henderson residents might know is that the first mile or so of that roadway, from Palmer's to somewhere near Airline Road, is designated by the state as Kentucky 2084, though it's not marked by highway or street signs.
But sometime later this year, Kentucky 2084 signs just might appear on what's now U.S. 41-South.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on April 06, 2015, 08:55:30 PM
Contract awarded to resign the Pennyrile Parkway as I-69
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/columnists/chuck-stinnett/c-stinnett-state-awards-i69-sign-contract-fazolis-remodeling-starts_25107190
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... The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet awarded a $3.2 million contract to install new shields, overhead signs, interstate mile markers and other signs from the Kentucky 425/South Bypass just south of Henderson to near the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange in southern Hopkins County near Nortonville.

This article (http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/news/stretch-of-us-41south-might-become-kentucky-2084_86678070) reports that, with I-69 having its temporary terminus at the KY 425/South Bypass interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Henderson,+KY/@37.8065814,-87.5558398,6568m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x88702827d1c4d369:0x9aa976ef3c352ce3), and with the Pennyrile ending 40 miles south in Hopkins County, the northern three miles of the current Pennyrile will be redesignated as US 41 and the current stretch of US 41 South from south of KY 351 to KY 425 will be redesignated as KY 2084:

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The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet is proposing to reroute — at least on paper and signs — more than two miles of U.S. 41-South in Henderson, redesignating that stretch as Kentucky 2084, according to state documents reviewed by The Gleaner.
The proposed change — which has to do with Interstate 69 — would affect U.S. 41-South from the Kentucky 425/South Bypass north to at least Kentucky 812/Airline Road/Outer Clay Street
...
All this relates to the effort to bring I-69 north up the Pennyrile Parkway from southern Hopkins County later this year. Tens of millions of dollars are being spent to upgrade the parkway to interstate standards, including a $3.2 million contract awarded last week for installing I-69 shields, mile markers and other signs along almost 41 miles of parkway, which would cease being part of the Pennyrile.
The Gleaner's review of the project proposal for that sign work revealed that the Kentucky Transportation intends for I-69 to terminate at what is now the Pennyrile interchange with the Kentucky 425/South Bypass south of Henderson.
State highway officials weren't available for comment on Monday, pending a planned announcement by the governor's office.
But it's likely that the interstate designation for the four-lane highway will stop there because the state isn't sure where I-69 will go from there. The original proposal had been for I-69 to split off from the existing roadway near Kentucky 425 and extend north, crossing the Audubon Parkway, Kentucky 351 and U.S. 60-East a few miles east of Henderson before crossing the Ohio River on a new bridge.
However, the bridge project is in limbo. Kentucky doesn't know where it will find the money — once estimated at $1.4 billion — to pay for so many miles of new four-lane highway in addition to its share of the bridge.
With progress on the bridge and approaches largely stalled, the Henderson-Evansville I-69 advocacy group BridgeLink last July proposed tying I-69 into what's known locally as the U.S. 41-Bypass (although officially it's simply U.S. 41). That, along with a proposal to build a four-lane bridge instead of the six-lane span that was originally proposed, could reduce the cost of the project to approximately $800 million, Henderson Mayor Steve Austin said in announcing the July proposal.
But the Federal Highway Administration hasn't ruled on what route I-69 will take past Henderson, perhaps prompting the state to "stop" the interstate at Kentucky 425 south of town.
But that creates a dilemma: What will the three miles of four-lane north of Kentucky 425 be labeled?
It won't I-69, at least for now, and it won't be the Pennyrile; the parkway will officially end 40 miles south in Hopkins County.
The state's proposed solution is to extend the U.S. 41 designation south three miles to where the I-69 designation will end at Kentucky 425.
U.S. 41 would then exit the four-lane highway at that interchange, running west a short distance to reconnect with U.S. 41-South
, just south of the state police post.
That has prompted the state to propose renaming, to Kentucky 2084, the two-lane section of existing U.S. 41-South that lies south of Outer Second Street/Kentucky 351 ....
When the Pennyrile Parkway was built in the late 1960s, it ran directly into the end of what locals call the U.S. 41-Bypass just south of Zion Road.
Motorists in the city still needed to reach U.S. 41-South, including by turning south from Outer Second Street.
What few Henderson residents might know is that the first mile or so of that roadway, from Palmer's to somewhere near Airline Road, is designated by the state as Kentucky 2084, though it's not marked by highway or street signs.
But sometime later this year, Kentucky 2084 signs just might appear on what's now U.S. 41-South.

Why cant they just sign it as kentucky 425? or kentucky x41? could this mean that 41 could be cosigned from i-64 to the split south of henderson (in the future when the bridge is built)? 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: dfwmapper on April 07, 2015, 04:05:22 AM
The whole point of the change is that they want the Interstate to continue on as a US route, not a state route. Much better for continuity to post a "To I-69 North - Evansville/Indianapolis use US 41" sign than it would be to have it run over multiple routes. US 41 won't be cosigned over any eventual new routing because there's no reason to do that, and it certainly won't happen if the new crossing is tolled.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on April 13, 2015, 07:52:10 PM
Contract awarded to resign the Pennyrile Parkway as I-69
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/columnists/chuck-stinnett/c-stinnett-state-awards-i69-sign-contract-fazolis-remodeling-starts_25107190
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The "primary completion date" for the I-69 sign project is Oct. 15.

Meanwhile, in regard to the Purchase Parkway, this TV video (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/28792197/purchase-parkway-transitioning-to-i-69) reports that a KYTC official "said we should see all signs change along the Purchase Parkway to I-69 by the end of this year":

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A local community is excited about a possible boom in business. Interstate 69 has been in the works for more than 20 years, and now construction to extend it through Graves and Marshall counties starts this week.
I-69 will extend southward along the Julian-Carroll-Jackson Parkway near Mayfield, extending northward toward the I-24 interchange near Calvert City. ....
Keith Todd with the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet said crews couldn't start work Monday as planned because of weather.
Weather permitting, they hope to start on the ramps near U.S. 45 sometime this week. The 30 mile stretch is an $8.08 million project the cabinet hopes to finish by October 15. Todd said we should see all signs change along the Purchase Parkway to I-69 by the end of this year.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on May 11, 2015, 11:13:16 AM
An April 22, 2015 state-by-state status updates presented to the I-69 Congressional Caucus PowerPoint (linked on this page (http://www.i69texasalliance.com/resource.html)) includes a slide that provides an update on I-69 progress in Kentucky with particular emphasis on interchange improvements (slide 37/54). 

(http://i.imgur.com/3No6ULu.png)

In the progress report, the Purchase Parkway/ Mayfield Bypass interchange is described as "Future project (not included in approved plan)".  I assume this description of the project means that completion of it is not necessary for the Purchase Parkway to be designated as I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 11, 2015, 11:56:37 AM
"Flop interchange?" That's a folded diamond, and I wonder why it has to be converted to a diamond. There's a truck stop in the NE quadrant that looks problematic to me.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on May 11, 2015, 02:35:13 PM
"Flop interchange?" That's a folded diamond, and I wonder why it has to be converted to a diamond. There's a truck stop in the NE quadrant that looks problematic to me.

Looking at Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mortons+Gap,+KY/@37.2517009,-87.4503988,347m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x886555c66f8ff7f1:0xe5aa58904946f33a!6m1!1e1), the biggest issue seems to be the lack of deceleration and acceleration lanes to/from the loop ramps. It's almost certainly cheaper to convert the interchange to a standard diamond (perhaps with tight ramps on the north side) rather than widening the overpass bridges to include both shoulders and accel/decel space.

And it looks like there's plenty of space on the NE quadrant for a straight ramp.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on June 01, 2015, 12:30:27 PM
The PDF Grzrd posted in the I-69 in Texas thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3624.msg2067915#msg2067915) also had approvals from AASHTO for upgrading both parkways to I-69

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/05%2014%202015%20Cheyenne,%20WY%20Report/SM%202015%20USRN%20SCOH%20REPORT.pdf

I-69 will run from the KY 166 interchange in Fulton in the South to the KY 425 interchange just south of Henderson

(http://i.imgur.com/1WrsSXA.png)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 01, 2015, 12:59:42 PM
^^^ In other words, from the state line, since that exit is right on the state line.

Why not extend it to the interchange of US 51, US 45, US 45E and US 45W?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on June 01, 2015, 02:20:52 PM
Does this mean they can sign the parkways as I-69 once the improvement projects are done? What is the timeline for the projects, BTW?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on June 01, 2015, 03:44:44 PM
have they redone that weird interchange with bypass us 45 in mayfield?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on June 01, 2015, 10:51:45 PM
Why not extend it to the interchange of US 51, US 45, US 45E and US 45W?

Because that's in Tennessee, and Kentucky can't apply for interstate designations for roads in other states.

A slightly more serious answer: my guess is FHWA wouldn't approve that I-69 designation until TDOT shows them some environmental paperwork and an LRTP entry for reconstructing the interchange to make I-69 the through movement; back when TDOT did the environmental work on SIU 7, they punted the interchange work (they thought they'd need to coordinate it with KYTC's SIU 6 work), so there's no plans whatsoever for it. And Kentucky seems to have basically forgotten that they were going to work with TDOT on it as part of SIU 6.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 02, 2015, 09:06:43 PM
Does this mean they can sign the parkways as I-69 once the improvement projects are done?

Yes, and FHWA has already given approval for it. Still don't know why interstate designations need to go through AASHTO since it's FHWA that makes the decisions on what can and what can't be an interstate.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on June 02, 2015, 11:56:42 PM
Does this mean they can sign the parkways as I-69 once the improvement projects are done?

Yes, and FHWA has already given approval for it. Still don't know why interstate designations need to go through AASHTO since it's FHWA that makes the decisions on what can and what can't be an interstate.

Will both of those projects be completed by the end of the year?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 04, 2015, 03:46:38 PM
Kentucky has it easy with its portion of Interstate 69, since it mostly follows existing roads.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Henry on June 09, 2015, 12:46:41 PM
And once the bridge into IN and the remaining missing sections in the Hoosier state are built, it'll be a continuous drive from at least the TN state line to Indianapolis!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on June 12, 2015, 10:26:44 PM
This June 12 KYTC Press Release (http://transportation.ky.gov/Pages/PressReleasePage.aspx?&FilterField1=ID&FilterValue1=139) announces the award of a contract to upgrade the Mortons Gap interchange:

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Governor Steve Beshear today announced the award of a contract for more of the improvements needed to bring the Edward T. Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway up to interstate highway standards and eventual designation as Interstate 69.
The project involves reconstruction of the interchange at Mortons Gap in Hopkins. The existing interchange will be converted to a diamond interchange to accommodate traffic moving at modern highway speeds. Road Builders LLC was awarded the contract on a low bid of $14.04 million. The project has a completion date of June 1, 2017. The project area covers about 1 mile.
“This is another important step in the I-69 Corridor project through western Kentucky,” Gov. Beshear said. “It will result in an interchange that meets federal interstate standards and get us even closer to completion.” ....
One of the main challenges of the I-69 project has been the need to rebuild interchanges that were designed to accommodate drivers who were slowing and stopping at toll plazas – as opposed to merging with or exiting from 70 mph interstate traffic. The Mortons Gap interchange was among nine targeted for reconstruction. Five other interchanges are completed or under construction.

This TV video (http://www.14news.com/story/29305939/contract-awarded-to-rebuild-interchange-in-hopkins-co-for-i-69) includes footage of the current Mortons Gap interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: froggie on June 13, 2015, 12:18:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins
^^^ In other words, from the state line, since that exit is right on the state line.

Only the northbound off-ramp, and that's still a couple blocks in.  The other interchange ramps range from 2/5 to 3/4 mile north of the state line.  It should also be noted that the KY 166 underpass is almost a mile north of the state line, and it's possible they're using that as the "interchange point".

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Yes, and FHWA has already given approval for it. Still don't know why interstate designations need to go through AASHTO since it's FHWA that makes the decisions on what can and what can't be an interstate.

As a general rule, FHWA defers to AASHTO for route number approval.  FHWA has final approval on when segments are actually added to the Interstate system.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Otto Yamamoto on June 17, 2015, 08:51:17 AM
KYTC has completed a scoping study of I-69 from Eddyville to Fulton and will hold an informational meeting in Mayfield on Nov. 15 from 5:30 to 7:30: http://www.westkentuckystar.com/News/Local---Regional/Western-Kentucky/Transportation-Cabinet-to-Share-I-69-Study-Nov--15

Materials from that meeting will be available for 15 days after meeting in Paducah.  Looks like I-69 upgrades will be phased in gradually as maintenance projects.  Anticipated cost of upgrades: $1.5 million per mile.
Scoping? Any Moms involved?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 17, 2015, 01:03:22 PM
Contract awarded to resign the Pennyrile Parkway as I-69
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/columnists/chuck-stinnett/c-stinnett-state-awards-i69-sign-contract-fazolis-remodeling-starts_25107190

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Further evidence that Interstate 69 is on its way to Henderson: The state has awarded a contract to install I-69 shields and related signs along nearly 41 miles of what's now the Pennyrile Parkway from just south of Henderson to southern Hopkins County.

That Pennyrile is being upgraded to interstate standards from here to the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange near Nortonville so it can be turned into I-69 later this year.

But it wouldn't be an interstate without interstate signs.

The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet awarded a $3.2 million contract to install new shields, overhead signs, interstate mile markers and other signs from the Kentucky 425/South Bypass just south of Henderson to near the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange in southern Hopkins County near Nortonville.

The "primary completion date" for the I-69 sign project is Oct. 15.

The contract was awarded last week to low bidder Eden Fence Inc. of Elizabethtown.

It's not certain when the public will see the I-69 shields on the Pennyrile. "The (state) engineer will advise the contractor when the signs may be displayed," according to the state's official project proposal said.

"The contractor is advised that no signs depicting the change in designation of the (Pennyrile) Parkway to I-69 will be displayed prior to the contract award of the Morton's Gap interchange project" south of Madisonville, the document states.

The contract to reconstruct that interchange is scheduled to be let on May 29.

$3.2 million dollars just to put up I-69 signs.  Wow, I am sure if the average Kentuckian knew this they would like these dollars used elsewhere.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on June 17, 2015, 01:14:10 PM
Contract awarded to resign the Pennyrile Parkway as I-69
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/columnists/chuck-stinnett/c-stinnett-state-awards-i69-sign-contract-fazolis-remodeling-starts_25107190

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Further evidence that Interstate 69 is on its way to Henderson: The state has awarded a contract to install I-69 shields and related signs along nearly 41 miles of what's now the Pennyrile Parkway from just south of Henderson to southern Hopkins County.

That Pennyrile is being upgraded to interstate standards from here to the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange near Nortonville so it can be turned into I-69 later this year.

But it wouldn't be an interstate without interstate signs.

The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet awarded a $3.2 million contract to install new shields, overhead signs, interstate mile markers and other signs from the Kentucky 425/South Bypass just south of Henderson to near the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange in southern Hopkins County near Nortonville.

The "primary completion date" for the I-69 sign project is Oct. 15.

The contract was awarded last week to low bidder Eden Fence Inc. of Elizabethtown.

It's not certain when the public will see the I-69 shields on the Pennyrile. "The (state) engineer will advise the contractor when the signs may be displayed," according to the state's official project proposal said.

"The contractor is advised that no signs depicting the change in designation of the (Pennyrile) Parkway to I-69 will be displayed prior to the contract award of the Morton's Gap interchange project" south of Madisonville, the document states.

The contract to reconstruct that interchange is scheduled to be let on May 29.

$3.2 million dollars just to put up I-69 signs.  Wow, I am sure if the average Kentuckian knew this they would like these dollars used elsewhere.
Bgs's aren't cheap, I've seen some as high as $5,000. They're worth it though they last for a long time.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 17, 2015, 01:47:01 PM
They'll be replacing all the guide signs on the mainline, plus I-69 markers on the intersecting routes, if what was done on the Western Kentucky Parkway is any indication.

But as far as just replacing signs go, this is a more worthwhile expenditure than was the arbitrary changing of the state's parkway route markers from the previous designs to the current design.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 17, 2015, 03:51:31 PM
They'll be replacing all the guide signs on the mainline, plus I-69 markers on the intersecting routes, if what was done on the Western Kentucky Parkway is any indication.

But as far as just replacing signs go, this is a more worthwhile expenditure than was the arbitrary changing of the state's parkway route markers from the previous designs to the current design.
I will agree with this statement.  Nothing was wrong with the Green River Parkway, Bluegrass Parkway, Cumberland Parkway, or Pennyrile Parkway.  What was the justification for the changes anyway?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 17, 2015, 04:36:59 PM
I will agree with this statement.  Nothing was wrong with the Green River Parkway, Bluegrass Parkway, Cumberland Parkway, or Pennyrile Parkway.  What was the justification for the changes anyway?

Trying to get maximum exposure for the new "Kentucky Unbridled Spirit" logo. At least that's what I suspect. I don't know if an official reason was ever released. One of the few things the previous administration did with which I disagreed.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: bob7374 on June 17, 2015, 05:52:08 PM
Contract awarded to resign the Pennyrile Parkway as I-69
http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/columnists/chuck-stinnett/c-stinnett-state-awards-i69-sign-contract-fazolis-remodeling-starts_25107190

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Further evidence that Interstate 69 is on its way to Henderson: The state has awarded a contract to install I-69 shields and related signs along nearly 41 miles of what's now the Pennyrile Parkway from just south of Henderson to southern Hopkins County.

That Pennyrile is being upgraded to interstate standards from here to the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange near Nortonville so it can be turned into I-69 later this year.

But it wouldn't be an interstate without interstate signs.

The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet awarded a $3.2 million contract to install new shields, overhead signs, interstate mile markers and other signs from the Kentucky 425/South Bypass just south of Henderson to near the I-69/Western Kentucky Parkway interchange in southern Hopkins County near Nortonville.

The "primary completion date" for the I-69 sign project is Oct. 15.

The contract was awarded last week to low bidder Eden Fence Inc. of Elizabethtown.

It's not certain when the public will see the I-69 shields on the Pennyrile. "The (state) engineer will advise the contractor when the signs may be displayed," according to the state's official project proposal said.

"The contractor is advised that no signs depicting the change in designation of the (Pennyrile) Parkway to I-69 will be displayed prior to the contract award of the Morton's Gap interchange project" south of Madisonville, the document states.

The contract to reconstruct that interchange is scheduled to be let on May 29.

$3.2 million dollars just to put up I-69 signs.  Wow, I am sure if the average Kentuckian knew this they would like these dollars used elsewhere.
Bgs's aren't cheap, I've seen some as high as $5,000. They're worth it though they last for a long time.

You can check out the sign plans here:
http://transportation.ky.gov/Construction-Procurement/Proposals/200-HENDERSON-HOPKINS-WEBSTER-15-1207.pdf (http://transportation.ky.gov/Construction-Procurement/Proposals/200-HENDERSON-HOPKINS-WEBSTER-15-1207.pdf)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on June 17, 2015, 06:26:29 PM
Interesting that there aren't many southbound mileage signs, and the control city is Fulton, KY. I guess for now that makes sense, but Memphis may be a better fit if/when I-69 gets completed to Memphis. Northbound, I would rather see Evansville, but Henderson works, too.

Also, it is interesting that continuing onto US 41 (which I guess is now relocated or will be relocated onto the Pennyrille at KY 425) will be signed as a left exit. I guess at this point I-69 will eventually diverge off of the Pennyrille onto a new alignment to the Ohio River?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on June 17, 2015, 06:39:26 PM
Interesting that there aren't many southbound mileage signs, and the control city is Fulton, KY. I guess for now that makes sense, but Memphis may be a better fit if/when I-69 gets completed to Memphis. Northbound, I would rather see Evansville, but Henderson works, too.

Apparently they got their control city namer from Mississippi DOT. Fulton might actually out-Picayune Picayune; even as-is, Dyersburg (or even Paducah) makes more sense than Fulton.

The US 41 exit numbering is odd too; it seems like it is based on US 41's mileage in the county, which I don't think is consistent with the MUTCD rules. Plus, if it is based on US 41's mileage, US 41 manages to exit from itself southbound.  This is one case I think either continuing the I-69 numbering for now, or omitting exit numbers, would have been more sensible. Or moving US 60 onto KY 425 and the Pennyrile and using its statewide mileage instead.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 17, 2015, 10:26:38 PM

You can check out the sign plans here:
http://transportation.ky.gov/Construction-Procurement/Proposals/200-HENDERSON-HOPKINS-WEBSTER-15-1207.pdf (http://transportation.ky.gov/Construction-Procurement/Proposals/200-HENDERSON-HOPKINS-WEBSTER-15-1207.pdf)

Interesting that they'd put the sign plans in the proposal. Usually the proposals are just broad overviews of the project, special wage or environmental concerns, etc.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on June 17, 2015, 11:44:40 PM
The US 41 exit numbering is odd too; it seems like it is based on US 41's mileage in the county, which I don't think is consistent with the MUTCD rules. Plus, if it is based on US 41's mileage, US 41 manages to exit from itself southbound.  This is one case I think either continuing the I-69 numbering for now, or omitting exit numbers, would have been more sensible. Or moving US 60 onto KY 425 and the Pennyrile and using its statewide mileage instead.

That's exactly what it's based upon. It's just how KYTC does things, although why they do it that way, I don't know.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on June 18, 2015, 07:20:17 AM
The US 41 exit numbering is odd too; it seems like it is based on US 41's mileage in the county, which I don't think is consistent with the MUTCD rules. Plus, if it is based on US 41's mileage, US 41 manages to exit from itself southbound.  This is one case I think either continuing the I-69 numbering for now, or omitting exit numbers, would have been more sensible. Or moving US 60 onto KY 425 and the Pennyrile and using its statewide mileage instead.

That's exactly what it's based upon. It's just how KYTC does things, although why they do it that way, I don't know.

KYTC has done exit numbering like this along US 23 in Pikeville as well.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 18, 2015, 03:39:40 PM
The US 41 exit numbering is odd too; it seems like it is based on US 41's mileage in the county, which I don't think is consistent with the MUTCD rules. Plus, if it is based on US 41's mileage, US 41 manages to exit from itself southbound.  This is one case I think either continuing the I-69 numbering for now, or omitting exit numbers, would have been more sensible. Or moving US 60 onto KY 425 and the Pennyrile and using its statewide mileage instead.

That's exactly what it's based upon. It's just how KYTC does things, although why they do it that way, I don't know.

KYTC has done exit numbering like this along US 23 in Pikeville as well.

Also the Owensboro bypass. They changed the exit numbers to reflect US 60's mileage after 60 was routed out of downtown. Kentucky resets mile markers at the county line for all roads except the parkways and interstates.

What I found interesting in the sign plans was the use of "Left Exit..." for the straight movements.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on August 17, 2015, 10:32:20 AM
I noticed this week that the Pennyrile has bases for new sign gantries up and down the 69 portions.

I also noticed when taking Exit 11 off the Pennyrile in Hopkinsville (KY 1682) that it has painfully tight tolerances for a vehicle coming from freeway speeds.  Was this part of the new extension, ir an old remnant?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: okroads on August 17, 2015, 03:49:36 PM
I also noticed when taking Exit 11 off the Pennyrile in Hopkinsville (KY 1682) that it has painfully tight tolerances for a vehicle coming from freeway speeds.  Was this part of the new extension, ir an old remnant?

I'm guessing a toll plaza used to be underneath KY 1682 before the parkway was made toll-free. There are several interchanges along turnpikes in Oklahoma which look just like this one (ie. Indian Nation Turnpike @ OK 3 in Antlers: https://goo.gl/maps/EiieE (https://goo.gl/maps/EiieE) ), but there are toll plazas at each one of those. And I believe the fairly new extension starts at ALT U.S. 41 (Exit 7) and goes south from there to I-24.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: noelbotevera on August 17, 2015, 03:53:22 PM
Interesting that there aren't many southbound mileage signs, and the control city is Fulton, KY. I guess for now that makes sense, but Memphis may be a better fit if/when I-69 gets completed to Memphis. Northbound, I would rather see Evansville, but Henderson works, too.

Apparently they got their control city namer from Mississippi DOT. Fulton might actually out-Picayune Picayune; even as-is, Dyersburg (or even Paducah) makes more sense than Fulton.

The US 41 exit numbering is odd too; it seems like it is based on US 41's mileage in the county, which I don't think is consistent with the MUTCD rules. Plus, if it is based on US 41's mileage, US 41 manages to exit from itself southbound.  This is one case I think either continuing the I-69 numbering for now, or omitting exit numbers, would have been more sensible. Or moving US 60 onto KY 425 and the Pennyrile and using its statewide mileage instead.
A good control city would be Nashville and Memphis - there's really nothing on I-69 in KY.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on August 17, 2015, 04:29:40 PM
Fulton is already the end of the Purchase Parkway, and Kentucky will have its portion of I-69 done long before Tennessee, so that's probably why they're using Fulton instead of a Tennessee city.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on August 20, 2015, 02:50:40 PM
http://surfky.com/index.php/communities/hopkins/175-top-news-for-all-sites-touching-pennyrile-pkwy/63668-kytc-chief-engineer-offers-updates-insidghts-on-i69-area-projects

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Interstate 69 is well underway, McClearn said, with upgrades to the exchanges and other improvements as well as Federal Highway Administration approval to change the Pennyrile Parkway to interstate highway status.

“An interstate (highway) is recognized across the nation,” he said. “We're really almost 95 percent there. We will have Interstate 69 out here real soon.”

McClearn said 58 miles of the Western Kentucky Parkway have been designated as I69.

In the Dawson Springs area, the larger mile point numbers are in place and mile markers headed north will subsequently be changed to reflect the higher mile numbers, he said.

“They will be I69 exit numbers,” said McClearn. “And, that progression will follow because you'll stay on I69 as you come out of Henderson and you head south to the Dawson Springs and Lakes area; actually, to I24.”
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: bmeiser on August 20, 2015, 08:44:30 PM
How can you be "almost 95 percent there"?  :-D
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 08:52:22 PM
Kentucky is by far the luckiest of all the states that are along the 69 route.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on October 24, 2015, 07:50:47 PM
http://surfky.com/index.php/communities/hopkins/51-top-news-kentucky/65941-pennyrile-parkway-exit-numbers-changing-over-to-i-69

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MADISONVILLE,  Ky. (10/23/15) –  A contractor for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet District has started transitioning exit numbers along a 40-plus mile section of the Breathitt-Pennyrile Parkway to new exit numbers for Interstate 69.
 
While a switch to the official Interstate 69 designation is still weeks away, District 2 Chief Engineer Kevin McClearn says the volume of signs that have to go up requires signage to be changed out in phases over the next month or two.
 
Interchange numbers are determined by the official mile point at which they are located, and since the roadway will drop its association with the Pennyrile Parkway designation, the exit numbers will change to appropriately match I-69 mile points from Mortons Gap to Henderson.  The first indicator of that transition is new panels indicating the I-69 exit numbers that started going up this week.
 

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The transition to I-69 will bring the following shift in exit numbers along the Pennyrile:
 
KY 813 Mortons Gap Exit 37 to Exit 108 (To Change when Interchange Construction is Completed)
KY 2171/KY 336 Earlington/Madisonville Exit 40 to Exit 111
KY 70 Madisonville/Central City Exit 42 to Exit 114
KY 281 Madisonville/Providence Exit 44 to Exit 116
U.S. 41 North Madisonville Exit 45 to Exit 117
KY 260 Hanson Exit 49 to Exit 120
KY 136 Calhoun/Dixon Exit 54 to Exit 125
KY 56 Sebree/Owensboro Exit 63 to Exit 134
KY 416 Robards/Niagara Exit 68 to Exit 140
KY 425 Henderson Bypass Exit 76 to Exit 148 Northbound
 
Northbound panel signs with the new exit numbers have been installed from the KY 2171/KY 336 Earlington/Madisonville Exit to the KY 260 Hanson Exit.  Again, the smaller exit number signs at the end of the ramp will continue to have the Pennyrile Parkway exit numbers.
 
Some exit numbers have also changed in the New Interstate 69/Pennyrile Parkway Interchange at Nortonville.  Exit 106-B that formerly went to Madisonville now carries traffic to the Western Kentucky Parkway eastbound lanes to Elizabethtown and I-69 traffic continues northward toward Henderson and Madisonville without having to make an exit.  Exit 106-A continues to carry traffic to the southbound lanes of the Pennyrile toward Hopkinsville.
 
A $3.23 million contract to construct and place signs in Henderson, Hopkins and Webster counties was awarded to Eden Fence Inc.  The contract is to extend I-69 signage along the former Edward T. Breathitt-Pennyrile Parkway from mile point 35.6 in Hopkins County to the KY 425 Henderson Bypass at Exit 76. The contract includes updating signage along U.S. 41 and other nearby highways that now direct traffic to the parkway. It will include changing mile markers and exit numbers to reflect I-69 mileage.
 
The contract also includes rerouting a section of U.S. 41 at Henderson to replace a short section of the Pennyrile Parkway between the Henderson Bypass and the end of the parkway.  The KY 2084 Connector from KY 351 will be extended southward to provide a replacement route number for section of U.S. 41 being moved over to the Pennyrile.
 
McClearn said once all of the 10 major I-69 contracts totaling $260 million in upgrades are either completed or under construction, he expects FHWA to allow Kentucky to move ahead official Interstate 69 shields along the route.  For the northern leg of the Pennyrile Parkway, the familiar red, white and blue shields could be up in late-November.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Henry on October 26, 2015, 01:00:06 PM
Kentucky is by far the luckiest of all the states that are along the 69 route.
That's because most of the route has already been built, albeit as a series of parkways. I seriously doubt that when they were first built, anyone in their right mind would have guessed that they would one day be a part of the Interstate system. And now, I-69 will follow them, with the Ohio River bridges as the missing link between Evansville and Owensboro.

Speaking of the bridges, it's a guessing game between them and the Bloomington-Indianapolis link as to which will be completed first.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on October 26, 2015, 01:31:14 PM
I would say Bloomington-Indianapolis.  As of right now, there doesn't seem to be much more than talk with the bridge.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on October 27, 2015, 08:48:46 PM
Kentucky is by far the luckiest of all the states that are along the 69 route.
That's because most of the route has already been built, albeit as a series of parkways. I seriously doubt that when they were first built, anyone in their right mind would have guessed that they would one day be a part of the Interstate system. And now, I-69 will follow them, with the Ohio River bridges as the missing link between Evansville and Owensboro.

Speaking of the bridges, it's a guessing game between them and the Bloomington-Indianapolis link as to which will be completed first.

I honestly think there is a 50/50 chance that the US 41 bridges will end up being used long term as the I-69 bridges.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on October 27, 2015, 08:50:21 PM
Kentucky is by far the luckiest of all the states that are along the 69 route.
That's because most of the route has already been built, albeit as a series of parkways. I seriously doubt that when they were first built, anyone in their right mind would have guessed that they would one day be a part of the Interstate system. And now, I-69 will follow them, with the Ohio River bridges as the missing link between Evansville and Owensboro.

Speaking of the bridges, it's a guessing game between them and the Bloomington-Indianapolis link as to which will be completed first.

I honestly think there is a 50/50 chance that the US 41 bridges will end up being used long term as the I-69 bridges.
That's highly likely. They could just slap some "to i-69" shields next to all the US 41 shields.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Henry on October 28, 2015, 12:24:50 PM
Kentucky is by far the luckiest of all the states that are along the 69 route.
That's because most of the route has already been built, albeit as a series of parkways. I seriously doubt that when they were first built, anyone in their right mind would have guessed that they would one day be a part of the Interstate system. And now, I-69 will follow them, with the Ohio River bridges as the missing link between Evansville and Owensboro.

Speaking of the bridges, it's a guessing game between them and the Bloomington-Indianapolis link as to which will be completed first.

I honestly think there is a 50/50 chance that the US 41 bridges will end up being used long term as the I-69 bridges.
That's highly likely. They could just slap some "to i-69" shields next to all the US 41 shields.
Or make that section TEMP I-69, 1960s-style!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on October 28, 2015, 01:08:34 PM
Wouldn't those bridges need to be upgraded to meet interstate standards?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: andy on October 28, 2015, 01:26:48 PM
Wouldn't those bridges need to be upgraded to meet interstate standards?

Isn't the bigger and more important challenge going to be getting through downtown Henderson?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on October 28, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
It's not actually downtown, but a short commercial strip northeast of downtown. However, in the short term I don't expect the changeover of the parkways to I-69 to cause that much of an increase in traffic.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: noelbotevera on October 28, 2015, 05:04:40 PM
Can't they upgrade the US 41 bridge rather than a new one? Just rehab the US 41 bridge and twin it, slap I-69 through it, then boom, I-69 has a bridge. An even easier one is to just simply put I-69 on I-64 and follow it to Kentucky.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: TheStranger on October 28, 2015, 05:12:03 PM
An even easier one is to just simply put I-69 on I-64 and follow it to Kentucky.

Doesn't make sense to have 69 go east and then west a significant distance just to avoid bypassing 2 miles of stoplights.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on October 28, 2015, 05:44:33 PM
Wouldn't those bridges need to be upgraded to meet interstate standards?

Isn't the bigger and more important challenge going to be getting through downtown Henderson?

Easier to go around the development than through.  Meanwhile, bridges are EXTREMELY expensive, and getting the US 41 bridges up to standards would likely require replacement anyways.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on October 28, 2015, 05:47:27 PM
Can't they upgrade the US 41 bridge rather than a new one? Just rehab the US 41 bridge and twin it, slap I-69 through it, then boom, I-69 has a bridge. An even easier one is to just simply put I-69 on I-64 and follow it to Kentucky.
You can't do that to the US 41 bridge.
1. The bridge already has 2 spans

2. Even if the bridge was twinned you could only have 2 lanes in each direction because of the existing spans it's 2 lands with no shoulder. You can't get those spans to interstate standards unless you pulled a Huey. P Long, AKA widening the actual spans with new truss.

 If KYTC really wanted to, they could connect the two spans but that would probably be as expensive if not more than just a completely new bridge on a new ROW like current plans are.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on October 29, 2015, 12:58:22 PM
Plus modern interstate standards require FULL WIDTH shoulders, both left and right, and the bridge exemption is long gone.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on October 29, 2015, 03:10:58 PM
One of the bridges is 1930s vintage, the other is 1960s vintage.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on October 29, 2015, 03:58:27 PM

Kentucky is by far the luckiest of all the states that are along the 69 route.
That's because most of the route has already been built, albeit as a series of parkways. I seriously doubt that when they were first built, anyone in their right mind would have guessed that they would one day be a part of the Interstate system. And now, I-69 will follow them, with the Ohio River bridges as the missing link between Evansville and Owensboro.

Speaking of the bridges, it's a guessing game between them and the Bloomington-Indianapolis link as to which will be completed first.

I honestly think there is a 50/50 chance that the US 41 bridges will end up being used long term as the I-69 bridges.
That's highly likely. They could just slap some "to i-69" shields next to all the US 41 shields.

It's not highly likely, for reasons covered heavily here.  Neither the route nor the bridges are suitable.  It's very possible that I-69 has a gap for many years, though.

It's not actually downtown, but a short commercial strip northeast of downtown. However, in the short term I don't expect the changeover of the parkways to I-69 to cause that much of an increase in traffic.

It's also a very large hunk of Henderson's tax base.  Fifty years ago the Interstate might have been rammed through anyway, but ruining local economies for expedient rights-of-way is less popular these days.

I would think if there's any meaningful uptick, it will be when 69 makes it to Indianapolis.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 02, 2015, 04:54:52 PM
How long before the Pennyrile Parkway and the Purchase Parkway are upgraded to Interstate Standards and become signed as Interstate 69?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 03, 2015, 09:17:59 AM
How long before the Pennyrile Parkway and the Purchase Parkway are upgraded to Interstate Standards and become signed as Interstate 69?

The Pennyrile is almost done - I believe the Mortons Gap interchange project and the sign replacement is all that's left, and that should be done by year's end.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vtk on November 03, 2015, 10:48:40 PM
Plus modern interstate standards require FULL WIDTH shoulders, both left and right, and the bridge exemption is long gone.

I thought inside shoulders could be much narrower, if the highway is only two lanes each way.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on November 04, 2015, 06:40:53 AM
Inside shoulders need to be full width only for three lanes or more in each direction, based on my experience.  I believe the inside paved shoulder width for a two lane section is now 6', which is still higher than the previous 4'.  KYTC probably received a Design Exception for the existing inside shoulder width, at least until the next round of paving contracts.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on November 04, 2015, 08:50:24 AM

How long before the Pennyrile Parkway and the Purchase Parkway are upgraded to Interstate Standards and become signed as Interstate 69?

The Pennyrile is almost done - I believe the Mortons Gap interchange project and the sign replacement is all that's left, and that should be done by year's end.

What about the I-24 ramps?  They were still under construction when I was there a couple of times in July and August. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 04, 2015, 04:52:12 PM

How long before the Pennyrile Parkway and the Purchase Parkway are upgraded to Interstate Standards and become signed as Interstate 69?

The Pennyrile is almost done - I believe the Mortons Gap interchange project and the sign replacement is all that's left, and that should be done by year's end.

What about the I-24 ramps?  They were still under construction when I was there a couple of times in July and August.

I've not been able to get down that way lately, so hopefully someone who has will chime in.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on November 08, 2015, 01:15:10 PM
How long before the Pennyrile Parkway and the Purchase Parkway are upgraded to Interstate Standards and become signed as Interstate 69?

The Pennyrile is almost done - I believe the Mortons Gap interchange project and the sign replacement is all that's left, and that should be done by year's end.


The local news has had a couple stories about the resigning efforts along the Pennyrile Parkway to alert the public about the changes in the exit signs and mile markers.  Also, I have a friend who works for the I-69 Innovation Corridor, and he told me that there is supposed to be an official ribbon-cutting event down in Madisonville, KY sometime in mid-November before the Thanksgiving Holiday.  I'm making some additional queries to try and confirm that.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 08, 2015, 07:53:03 PM
The local news has had a couple stories about the resigning efforts along the Pennyrile Parkway to alert the public about the changes in the exit signs and mile markers.  Also, I have a friend who works for the I-69 Innovation Corridor, and he told me that there is supposed to be an official ribbon-cutting event down in Madisonville, KY sometime in mid-November before the Thanksgiving Holiday.  I'm making some additional queries to try and confirm that.

Something's in the works but I don't know specifics, or a date.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on November 11, 2015, 03:58:21 PM
Just found out that Kentucky will have the official ribbon-cutting ceremony for the Pennyrile Parkway section of I-69 on Monday, November 16th in Madisonville, KY.

http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event;jsessionid=19DDFEE2099F394A2B7519DBA111CC04.worker_registrant?llr=nx5jb7iab&oeidk=a07ebtme3en33265bff

I hope that I hyperlinked this correctly.  Nice to see this section completed and officially dedicated!  Not sure what the time frame is for the I-69 section that will follow along the Carroll/Purchase Parkway between I-69/I-24 and the Kentucky/Tennessee state line.

At the rate that things are going, I think that we will have I-69 from Michigan to KY/Tenn, and within Texas done well before the remaining states in the middle make any substantial progress.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on November 16, 2015, 01:47:26 PM
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/pressroom/fhwa1571.cfm

Quote
Federal Highway Administration Approves Redesignation of Kentucky's Edward T. Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway

Major Milestone Reached in Decades-Long Effort to Improve Traffic Flow, Upgrade 40 Miles of Major Regional Corridor

MADISONVILLE, Ky. – The U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Highway Administration approved the redesignation of 39.9 miles of the “Edward T. Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway” as Interstate 69, and Federal Highway Administrator Gregory Nadeau and other federal, state and local officials were on hand for a ceremony dedicating the nation’s newest section of interstate earlier today.

“This latest addition to the national interstate system is the newest ladder of opportunity for residents of rural Kentucky and the thousands who depend on this region,” said U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx. “This project created jobs for highway workers and, in the years to come, it will continue to create jobs by strengthening the economy and helping freight move more easily to and from markets worldwide.”

Construction on the second segment of the new I-69 – from the Wendell H. Ford Western Kentucky Parkway interchange to the Kentucky 425 interchange nearly 40 miles north – began in early 2014. Workers reconstructed the I-69/Pennyrile Parkway/Western KY Parkway system interchange to provide a continuous through traffic movement for the mainline of I-69, upgraded guardrail and bridge rails, corrected vertical clearances and made numerous interchange ramp improvements to enhance safety for the thousands who use the route daily.

Though the cost of the overall I-69 Corridor project is estimated at more than $1 billion, this segment cost $110 million – nearly all of which came from federal funding.

“This route is a key segment of one of the nation’s most economically needed freight corridors,” said Administrator Nadeau. “Improving its ability to handle the predicted increase in traffic over the next 20 years will make a big difference to those living in and traveling through the region.”

According to Kentucky Transportation Cabinet figures, nearly 15,000 drivers use the route each day – a figure they expect will nearly triple to 41,000 drivers in the next 20 years.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on November 16, 2015, 05:33:50 PM
Just found out that Kentucky will have the official ribbon-cutting ceremony for the Pennyrile Parkway section of I-69 on Monday, November 16th in Madisonville, KY.

http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event;jsessionid=19DDFEE2099F394A2B7519DBA111CC04.worker_registrant?llr=nx5jb7iab&oeidk=a07ebtme3en33265bff

I hope that I hyperlinked this correctly.  Nice to see this section completed and officially dedicated!  Not sure what the time frame is for the I-69 section that will follow along the Carroll/Purchase Parkway between I-69/I-24 and the Kentucky/Tennessee state line.

At the rate that things are going, I think that we will have I-69 from Michigan to KY/Tenn, and within Texas done well before the remaining states in the middle make any substantial progress.

Is there any progress at all going on in TN? It doesn't seem like with converting a dual-lane and mostly rural highway, along with the benefits to one of the states largest metros, this would have dragged on for so long there. I drove the US 51 route last month, and there is nothing besides the Future Corridor signs.  It's signed from the MS-TN line, and shortly from the KY-TN line, this is really the only large gap left between MS and MI.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on November 16, 2015, 06:37:32 PM
According to KTC's I-69 pages, there are 4 interchanges (not counting the one on the KY/TN line) that need to have improvements done along the Purchase Parkway before it can be converted to I-69.  Based on what I read, and what I can see on Google Earth, construction appears to be progressing on Exit 43 at Benton, KY.  I don't know where the level of progress on the remaining interchanges stand.  It is my understanding that these improvements must either be completed (or substantially done) before KY can ask FHWA for permission to re-brand the Purchase Parkway.

Perhaps there are others who might have more information.

Of course, the 800-lb gorilla in the room is SIU 4 that would take I-69 over the Ohio River between Henderson, KY and Evansville, IN.  Latest news is that INDOT agreed to do a tolling study.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: roadman65 on November 16, 2015, 07:14:37 PM
I heard officially the Penryville Parkway is now I-69 and not future I-69 as a ribbon cutting ceremony was held today!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on December 01, 2015, 02:59:43 PM
I drove this section from Henderson to the former WK exit today. Not sure what the ribbon cutting was about. There are no visable 69 shields along the route, other than the ones on the BGS at the WK split. Much of the road is still under construction with many miles of one lane highway in each direction.

I did notice a couple of new mileage signs. Seemed odd to replace Hopkinsville with Fulton. I understand 69 will go to Fulton and not Hopkinsville, but I am certain that a large majority of through traffic from the Henderson-Madisonville segment will continue towards Hopkinsville, and not west on the former WK. Might should include both cities. Same going north, Evansville should also be included on the mileage signs. Seems rather silly to have Morganfield when the road doesn't get within 30 miles of there, and none for Evansville, where the majority of the northbound traffic is heading.


Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 01, 2015, 04:01:02 PM

I drove this section from Henderson to the former WK exit today. Not sure what the ribbon cutting was about. There are no visable 69 shields along the route, other than the ones on the BGS at the WK split. Much of the road is still under construction with many miles of one lane highway in each direction.

I did notice a couple of new mileage signs. Seemed odd to replace Hopkinsville with Fulton. I understand 69 will go to Fulton and not Hopkinsville, but I am certain that a large majority of through traffic from the Henderson-Madisonville segment will continue towards Hopkinsville, and not west on the former WK. Might should include both cities. Same going north, Evansville should also be included on the mileage signs. Seems rather silly to have Morganfield when the road doesn't get within 30 miles of there, and none for Evansville, where the majority of the northbound traffic is heading.

Where are the miles of lane closures? When I was last through there a couple of months ago, I only encountered real road narrowing around the Western Kentucky Parkway interchange and maybe Mortons Gap.  Might be there again soon – it would be good to know what to expect.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on December 01, 2015, 04:22:58 PM
Down the road, the controls should probably be Memphis and Evansville, but until the bridge is built over the Ohio River and Tennessee builds their part of I-69, I can see why Kentucky would keep Fulton and Henderson, that and good old provincialism. Based on my trip down the WK Parkway several years ago, leaving Elizabethtown, Kentucky had no problem giving the distances to Paducah, Owensboro and Hopkinsville. I see no reason why Hopkinsville and Fulton couldn't be listed heading south on I-69 out of Henderson.  The really radical thing would be to sign Nashville heading south, I bet there's some traffic heading all the way down there via 69 and the Pennyrile.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 01, 2015, 04:36:39 PM
I just looked at the Pennyrile Parkway site on Wikipedia. The new exit numbers for Interstate 69 will stop at the Audubon Parkway, and existing exits 76/77/78/79/81 will become 10/11/12/13/14. Why is that? I would have thought that the northernmost portion of the Pennyrile Parkway that will not become part of Interstate 69 would have its exits remain the same numbers.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on December 01, 2015, 06:37:06 PM
I just looked at the Pennyrile Parkway site on Wikipedia. The new exit numbers for Interstate 69 will stop at the Audubon Parkway, and existing exits 76/77/78/79/81 will become 10/11/12/13/14. Why is that? I would have thought that the northernmost portion of the Pennyrile Parkway that will not become part of Interstate 69 would have its exits remain the same numbers.
I cannot think of any circumstances in which those numbers would make sense.  Are all of them confirmed, or just 10?  The only circumstance I can think of exit 76 becoming 10 is if you numbered them backwards based on US 41.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 01, 2015, 08:47:05 PM

I just looked at the Pennyrile Parkway site on Wikipedia. The new exit numbers for Interstate 69 will stop at the Audubon Parkway, and existing exits 76/77/78/79/81 will become 10/11/12/13/14. Why is that? I would have thought that the northernmost portion of the Pennyrile Parkway that will not become part of Interstate 69 would have its exits remain the same numbers.

I thought the ultimate plan was that 69 will branch off closer to the commercial strip in Henderson. That is north of the Audubon Parkway.  Are they just stopping at the Audubon Parkway until further plans are finalized?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 01, 2015, 10:33:38 PM
Not sure what the ribbon cutting was about.

Victory lap for the outgoing governor.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 01, 2015, 10:38:07 PM
The I-69 designation currently ends at, I believe, the KY 425 exit. US 41 is being rerouted onto KY 425 and the Pennyrile, so the exit numbers would correspond to US 41's mileage within Henderson County (much as the exit numbers on the Owensboro bypass were changed to reflect US 60's mileage when it was rerouted out of downtown.) Remember that on non-interstate or parkway routes, Kentucky's mile markers reset at the county line.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: english si on December 02, 2015, 05:08:42 AM
Remember that on non-interstate or parkway routes, Kentucky's mile markers reset at the county line.
I did wonder why the exit numbers were so low given that they were based off US41.
I thought the ultimate plan was that 69 will branch off closer to the commercial strip in Henderson. That is north of the Audubon Parkway.  Are they just stopping at the Audubon Parkway until further plans are finalized?
The plan was (at least what was drawn on OSM) to branch off at KY425/FutUS41 and bypass the town a little bit further east than you were thinking. Arguably this is still the plan, as there's no reason why KY425 to the Audubon Pkwy wasn't also made a full part of I-69 if it would become I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on December 02, 2015, 02:45:43 PM
I cannot think of any circumstances in which those numbers would make sense.  Are all of them confirmed, or just 10?  The only circumstance I can think of exit 76 becoming 10 is if you numbered them backwards based on US 41.

Based on earlier discussion, they appear to be based on mileage of US 41 within the county (which I don't think conforms to FHWA's exit numbering rules, but whatevs).

I thought the ultimate plan was that 69 will branch off closer to the commercial strip in Henderson. That is north of the Audubon Parkway.  Are they just stopping at the Audubon Parkway until further plans are finalized?

There's no final/ultimate approved plan yet, so they can only base it on the approved routing omitting the urban area routing (SIU 4).
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 11:14:25 AM
I just have an open-ended question to see if anyone has any information regarding SIU 6.  The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet's home page on I-69 reported that there were four interchanges that would need to be upgraded to interstate standards.  These interchanges are at the I-69/I-24 junction with the Purchase Parkway, exit 43 at Route 348 at Benton, exit 21 in Mayfield, and exit 14 at Route 339 at Wingo.  Google Earth shows construction going on at the Benton Interchange, but the imagery is back from July.  Does anyone have any updates regarding these improvements?  I was also under the impression that the KTC could not re-sign the Purchase Parkway until these improvements were either finished or substantially under construction.  Any updates would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 10, 2015, 04:57:12 PM
I still think the new numbers on the northern non-Interstate 69 section of the Pennyrile Parkway are kind of goofy. If that part of the parkway is to become part of US 41, why don't they renumber the exits based on the mileage of US 41 from the Tennessee/Kentucky border? Or just leave them alone.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on December 10, 2015, 10:06:24 PM
I still think the new numbers on the northern non-Interstate 69 section of the Pennyrile Parkway are kind of goofy. If that part of the parkway is to become part of US 41, why don't they renumber the exits based on the mileage of US 41 from the Tennessee/Kentucky border? Or just leave them alone.

Because Kentucky resets mileage markers for non-interstate or parkway routes at county lines.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: halork on December 11, 2015, 06:27:59 AM
So, Google Maps still doesn't have (most of) the Pennyrile marked as I-69. Is the signing in the field progressing?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on December 11, 2015, 09:09:51 AM
So, Google Maps still doesn't have (most of) the Pennyrile marked as I-69. Is the signing in the field progressing?

Not only that, but Google Maps presently shows I-69 along the US 41 twin bridges and through Henderson's US 41 commercial strip which is definitely not accurate.  I've also noticed that the roadway identifications shown on Google Maps doesn't always match up with Google Earth.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on December 11, 2015, 12:57:45 PM
Just found out that Kentucky will have the official ribbon-cutting ceremony for the Pennyrile Parkway section of I-69 on Monday, November 16th in Madisonville, KY.

http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event;jsessionid=19DDFEE2099F394A2B7519DBA111CC04.worker_registrant?llr=nx5jb7iab&oeidk=a07ebtme3en33265bff

I hope that I hyperlinked this correctly.  Nice to see this section completed and officially dedicated!  Not sure what the time frame is for the I-69 section that will follow along the Carroll/Purchase Parkway between I-69/I-24 and the Kentucky/Tennessee state line.

At the rate that things are going, I think that we will have I-69 from Michigan to KY/Tenn, and within Texas done well before the remaining states in the middle make any substantial progress.

Is there any progress at all going on in TN? It doesn't seem like with converting a dual-lane and mostly rural highway, along with the benefits to one of the states largest metros, this would have dragged on for so long there. I drove the US 51 route last month, and there is nothing besides the Future Corridor signs.  It's signed from the MS-TN line, and shortly from the KY-TN line, this is really the only large gap left between MS and MI.

Other than work on a Union City bypass, not much at all. Tennessee doesn't have it high on their radar due to funding issues and other needs across the state.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 14, 2015, 04:10:16 PM
Isn't there a page on AARoads that says "Google Maps F-ing Sucks. Maybe that's why it isn't shown on that site.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: noelbotevera on December 14, 2015, 04:34:38 PM
Hmm, I think they might finish up the Purchase upgrades. This (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Strategic%20Planning%20Corridor%20Study_Overview%20of%20Existing%20Conditions%20_Final%20Draft-2.pdf) PDF is dated December 2011.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on December 15, 2015, 10:18:05 PM
Other than work on a Union City bypass, not much at all. Tennessee doesn't have it high on their radar due to funding issues and other needs across the state.

A Union City bypass will be a welcome site. Union City is like the speed and red light camera capital of Tennessee. Actually almost all of US 51 in Tennessee has red light cameras. Union City just takes it the extra step with their speed cameras.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on January 02, 2016, 01:47:37 PM
So, Google Maps still doesn't have (most of) the Pennyrile marked as I-69. Is the signing in the field progressing?

I recently drove along the Pennyrile, and the progress of the new signage was nowhere as complete as some of the news reports suggested, which may be why Google Maps doesn't show it as I-69.  I estimate that perhaps only a quarter to maybe a third of the work has been done, mostly near the northern and southern limits.  In particular, I observed:

1.  None of the exit signs or mile marker signs have been changed.  Those miles are still reflective of the Pennyrile.  I found this amusing at the locations where new informational signs (giving the I-69 mile marks) were in place next to the exit signs with the original mile marks.

2.   Where the new informational signs were installed, the contractor had not yet removed the old signs.

3.   At many of the original signs, I saw that new steel posts had been installed in front of them, but the sign panels themselves were not yet installed.

4.  Finally, with the exception of the northern and southern ends, there were no I-69 Interstate Shields installed.  Only the Pennyrile Parkway signs were in place.  I was expecting that, at minimum,  the KTC would have had the combined "I-69/former parkway" signs (similar to what they did on the earlier parkway conversion) installed in time for the re-branding and ribbon cutting ceremony.

Overall, it was very disappointing to see how little had been completed.  I didn't think that a signage installation contract should take so long to complete.   This is probably why Google Earth and Google Maps have not updated their information.  However, on the positive side of things, it appeared that most of the bridge railings had been replaced with concrete barrier rails, much of the pavement had been resurfaced, and the new interchange with the Western Parkway looked really nice and provided smooth driving transitions.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on January 02, 2016, 02:58:44 PM
So, Google Maps still doesn't have (most of) the Pennyrile marked as I-69. Is the signing in the field progressing?

I recently drove along the Pennyrile, and the progress of the new signage was nowhere as complete as some of the news reports suggested, which may be why Google Maps doesn't show it as I-69.  I estimate that perhaps only a quarter to maybe a third of the work has been done, mostly near the northern and southern limits.  In particular, I observed:

1.  None of the exit signs or mile marker signs have been changed.  Those miles are still reflective of the Pennyrile.  I found this amusing at the locations where new informational signs (giving the I-69 mile marks) were in place next to the exit signs with the original mile marks.

2.   Where the new informational signs were installed, the contractor had not yet removed the old signs.

3.   At many of the original signs, I saw that new steel posts had been installed in front of them, but the sign panels themselves were not yet installed.

4.  Finally, with the exception of the northern and southern ends, there were no I-69 Interstate Shields installed.  Only the Pennyrile Parkway signs were in place.  I was expecting that, at minimum,  the KTC would have had the combined "I-69/former parkway" signs (similar to what they did on the earlier parkway conversion) installed in time for the re-branding and ribbon cutting ceremony.

Overall, it was very disappointing to see how little had been completed.  I didn't think that a signage installation contract should take so long to complete.   This is probably why Google Earth and Google Maps have not updated their information.  However, on the positive side of things, it appeared that most of the bridge railings had been replaced with concrete barrier rails, much of the pavement had been resurfaced, and the new interchange with the Western Parkway looked really nice and provided smooth driving transitions.

Hehehe ... if you want to see how long it can take, come to Owensboro, where they have been replacing BGSs on U.S. 60 (the former bypass section) since 2013. Several sets of posts sat for two years before they finally got put to use when they rebuilt the western half of the road.  And now, in 2016, there are still several that haven't been replaced yet.   :eyebrow:
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on January 04, 2016, 10:10:28 PM
Curious: Why are new sign posts needed when the old ones are reusable? This may not be the case if the sign needs enlargement, but I passed by a few in Ohio that were new steel poles that were identical in size to the old poles. The signs, which were less than 6 months old, were replaced with identical signs sans the "A-B" on the exit tab (the cloverleaf was reduced to a diamond).
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on January 05, 2016, 06:15:22 AM
Curious: Why are new sign posts needed when the old ones are reusable? This may not be the case if the sign needs enlargement, but I passed by a few in Ohio that were new steel poles that were identical in size to the old poles. The signs, which were less than 6 months old, were replaced with identical signs sans the "A-B" on the exit tab (the cloverleaf was reduced to a diamond).

Some were moved to different locations - others were larger or smaller.  At any rate, it had been 20+ years since they were last replaced, so they were probably due.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on January 05, 2016, 03:15:49 PM
This morning on one of the local radio stations, a spokesman from the KTC was called to discuss problems that some motorists were having with the new I-69 signage.  At the newly opened interchange where I-69 ties together with the Pennyrile Parkway and Western Kentucky Parkway, the new signage shows Fulton, KY as the new control city.  Apparently some drivers who were used to seeing Paducah, KY were getting confused as to which road they should be on and were making U-turns trying to get themselves on the correct roads.  The KTC spokesman explained to the listening audience that the new I-69 would now be using Fulton as its new southernmost control city since it's on the border with Tennessee.  He also stated that the various GPS devices should be getting software updates with the new routing and exit mile markers within the next few months.  I found this rather amusing, since I had recently driven this newly rebranded section of I-69 and found the signage nowhere near complete.  What was even more amusing was this spokesman stated his confusion why in Indiana, when one drives northbound into Evansville on US 41, the US 41 control city is shown as Vincennes, IN.  I guess that he didn't understand that drivers reading that sign were already in Evansville, so it makes no sense to list a control city as the same one that you are presently in.

What I find interesting is that the KTC is already signing Fulton as its new control city, yet I-69 "officially" does not go all the way to Fulton.  Based on what I've been able to research, I couldn't find information confirming that AASHTO/FHWA gave approval to KTC to re-sign the Purchase Parkway as I-69.  I wonder why the KTC is doing this?  Presently, in southern Indiana, none of the I-69 North signs show any control city.  INDOT cannot have these shown as "Indianapolis" because, technically, I-69 does not go all the way to Indianapolis.  Interesting decision by the KTC.

I also don't see why the KTC couldn't have left Paducah as a control city, since technically I-69 and I-24 share a common alignment.  I'd be curious to read others' thoughts on this.  I note this because, in Illinois, I-57 South shows Memphis, TN as its southernmost control city (even though I-57 terminates into I-55 and doesn't go directly to Memphis).
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on January 05, 2016, 03:20:27 PM
I think using Fulton makes no sense, even though I-69 will go through it. If I-69 would be completed to Memphis in our lifetimes, then Memphis would make more sense. Dyersburg, TN would be a little bit better if not Memphis, but I would also have dual control cities for both Paducah and either Fulton/Dyersburg/Memphis.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on January 05, 2016, 04:53:47 PM
It's not that big of a deal. I would agree that Paducah and Fulton would be great control cities to use on the former Western Kentucky Parkway alignment, considering that further east, westbound signs I think still feature Paducah. If there are signs on Interstate 64 for Ashland but not for Huntington, then the same can be said for Fulton and not Dyersburg/Memphis for Interstate 69.

People should rely on their GPS less and just follow signs, common sense and maps.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jpi on January 05, 2016, 05:00:56 PM
I agree Cody, at the very least it should be signed "Fulton-Memphis" on the BGS's at the Purchase PKWY\ I-24 interchange, just like they do on I-65 south of E-Town with "Bowling Green-Nashville" co-signed on BGs's and distance signage. They should keep Paducah signed along with Fulton at the WK PKWY\ Pennyrile PKWY exit going south\ west bound too. I have not driven through that area since over the summer, the re-configured interchange was the biggest change I noticed, other then that, nothing new.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on January 05, 2016, 05:43:10 PM
Since the KTC is converting their parkways in stages, I think that they should sign I-69 in the manner similar to what INDOT is presently doing for its I-69 construction, and simply install I-69 North and I-69 South BGS's without any control cities until the full interstate within Kentucky is completed.  The signs could be fabricated with enough space so that the control cities could be added later.  At the very least, the I-69 North signs could show Henderson (since its doubtful that KTC would include either Evansville or Indianapolis) as that control city.  I also think that including Memphis for the I-69 South signs is not realistic, because I-69 does not run continuously to Memphis and there is no indication that Tennessee will be completing its sections of I-69 within the next decade or two (or three).
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on January 05, 2016, 06:36:42 PM
I think the control city thing depends on state.  Obviously INDOT obsesses about only signing control cities that a route goes to.  Other states don't; NY, for example, uses Corning for I-390, Downtown Rochester for I-590, Buffalo for I-490, Rochester for I-290, and New York City and Erie for NY 17/I-86.

Besides, why spend money on the signs twice?  I'm pretty sure it won't be long before I-69 makes it to Fulton anyways.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 05, 2016, 10:09:04 PM
There's already a project underway to improve parts of the Purchase Parkway to get it signed as I-69 (similar to the projects done on the WK and Pennyrile) and I think the project to re-do the I-24/Purchase interchange goes to bid this month. As for the choice of control cities, the road goes to Fulton no matter whether it's signed I-69 or the Purchase Parkway, and even Tennessee doesn't sign Memphis on US 51 very often around Fulton or Union City. I don't know who made the decision to use Fulton (KYTC or FHWA), but surely people can look at a map and tell where the roads go.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on January 06, 2016, 11:56:36 AM
There's already a project underway to improve parts of the Purchase Parkway to get it signed as I-69 (similar to the projects done on the WK and Pennyrile) and I think the project to re-do the I-24/Purchase interchange goes to bid this month. As for the choice of control cities, the road goes to Fulton no matter whether it's signed I-69 or the Purchase Parkway, and even Tennessee doesn't sign Memphis on US 51 very often around Fulton or Union City. I don't know who made the decision to use Fulton (KYTC or FHWA), but surely people can look at a map and tell where the roads go.

I had read elsewhere that reconstruction of the I-69/I-24/Purchase Parkway interchange was supposed to start sometime in the spring of 2016.  Glad to hear that project is due to be bid.  I'd be curious what the cost and time frame to complete will be.

I have no particular horse in the race regarding control cities.  I was simply commenting earlier how it was reported that some drivers were confused with the change in signage.  On a side note, within the limits of Evansville, the signs for I-69 South presently do not have any control city listed.  Given how US 41 is signed, it wouldn't surprise me if INDOT updates those signs with Henderson, KY (probably using adhesive-applied sign labels) as the control city once (or whenever) I-69 is extended over the Ohio River to complete SIU 4, since that is how US 41 South is presently signed within Evansville.

BTW - not having been there myself, just how big a town is Fulton?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on January 06, 2016, 12:29:24 PM
Fulton is big enough for a Walmart, it seems. Population of Fulton, KY is 2,295 people. Adjoining South Fulton, TN is 2,304.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on January 06, 2016, 12:31:59 PM
And, as it turns out, Memphis is actually used (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5056936,-88.899487,3a,75y,194.51h,77.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sngGSTOuPr_vQysOgEava0g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) as a control city for US 51/US 45W southbound at its interchange with US 45E and the Purchase Parkway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on January 06, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
I had read elsewhere that reconstruction of the I-69/I-24/Purchase Parkway interchange was supposed to start sometime in the spring of 2016.  Glad to hear that project is due to be bid.  I'd be curious what the cost and time frame to complete will be.

I have no particular horse in the race regarding control cities.  I was simply commenting earlier how it was reported that some drivers were confused with the change in signage.  On a side note, within the limits of Evansville, the signs for I-69 South presently do not have any control city listed.  Given how US 41 is signed, it wouldn't surprise me if INDOT updates those signs with Henderson, KY (probably using adhesive-applied sign labels) as the control city once (or whenever) I-69 is extended over the Ohio River to complete SIU 4, since that is how US 41 South is presently signed within Evansville.

BTW - not having been there myself, just how big a town is Fulton?

I-164 never had control cities if I recall, other than US 41 and I-64. Henderson would be appropriate for that though and in the future INDOT would likely sign Memphis given their ability to recognize larger cities down the road. An article in the Bloomington newspaper I put up on the I-69 in Indiana thread showed that INDOT plans on including some signage for northbound I-69 in the direction of Bloomington, signing perhaps that city as the northbound control city, since completion to Indy is still years away. Signing in the same respect toward Henderson would be appropriate.

I would also like to mention that Fulton also has a McDonalds, I have stopped there and was surprised to see the Walmart as well.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 06, 2016, 07:12:20 PM
And, as it turns out, Memphis is actually used (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5056936,-88.899487,3a,75y,194.51h,77.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sngGSTOuPr_vQysOgEava0g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) as a control city for US 51/US 45W southbound at its interchange with US 45E and the Purchase Parkway.

Yep, that's on the Purchase Parkway in Kentucky, and is obviously a Tennessee install on Bluegrass turf. The style of gantry is the giveaway. That's the first mention of Memphis, and I don't remember where the next mention is. I've only driven US 51 southbound as far as where US 45W splits off. My two forays across US 51 (from Memphis north a few years ago, and a clinch about three years ago) were northbound.

As for Fulton's size, it's not that big of a town. I've been to or through there three or four times, and I don't remember the Walmart. I'm not surprised it's on the Kentucky side of the state line, though, given the difference in sales tax rates between the two states.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on January 28, 2016, 12:18:35 PM
This was great news to hear.  Kentucky Governor Bevin both confirmed his commitment to I-69 and specifically announced during his first State of the Commonwealth speech his intention to dedicate millions of dollars towards accelerating Kentucky's portion of the new I-69 bridge and roadway over the Ohio River.

http://www.thegleaner.com/news/bevin-road-plan-includes-millions-in-new-money-for-i-69-bridge-project-2a53b7b1-f655-3c52-e053-01000-366760241.html

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On Wednesday, the state released hard copies of the proposed road plan. As BridgeLink requested, the money for the environmental study was moved forward to 2017.

The plan calls for $2.82 million to be allocated in 2017 for the environmental study but then goes on to call for $41 million for the project, spread out over three years, starting in 2019, to "develop alignment for Interstate 69 Henderson/Evansville Ohio River crossing."

The project would receive $6 million in 2019, $20 million in 2020 and $15 million in 2021 for preconstruction work.

"That's all new money (for the project),"

This is great news!  Now if Indiana can step up its share of the project, we may see I-69 between Indiana and Kentucky a reality much sooner.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on January 28, 2016, 01:08:12 PM
This was great news to hear.  Kentucky Governor Bevin both confirmed his commitment to I-69 and specifically announced during his first State of the Commonwealth speech his intention to dedicate millions of dollars towards accelerating Kentucky's portion of the new I-69 bridge and roadway over the Ohio River.
http://www.thegleaner.com/news/bevin-road-plan-includes-millions-in-new-money-for-i-69-bridge-project-2a53b7b1-f655-3c52-e053-01000-366760241.html

Also, this article (http://www.westkentuckystar.com/News/Local-Regional/Western-Kentucky/Gov-Bevin-Releases-6-Year-Highway-Plan.aspx) reports and clarifies that all of Kentucky's prior commitments for I-69 are honored in the Recommended Plan:

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Governor Bevin submitted his six-year highway plan to members of the Kentucky General Assembly on Wednesday, including a major Calloway County road project.
The governor's outline allocates funding to expand U.S.641 to four lanes from Murray to the Tennessee state line. The plan also honors prior commitments for improvements along the I-69 corridor in western Kentucky.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 28, 2016, 04:29:17 PM
Somehow, I think it will be awhile before we see an Interstate 69 bridge across the Ohio River.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on January 29, 2016, 10:13:52 AM
Somehow, I think it will be awhile before we see an Interstate 69 bridge across the Ohio River.

If Kentucky passes a law to allow a P3 with Indiana for this bridge I think we will see it completed within the next decade.  The reduced cost of the BridgeLink proposal makes it viable between the toll funding, some state + federal.  Politicians on the Indiana side certainly seem to be gung-ho on finishing I-69 and increasing road funding.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on January 29, 2016, 05:09:31 PM
I wouldn't be suprised if, in the next decade, I-69 goes all the way from the TN-KY border near Fulton all the way to Canada.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on February 03, 2016, 09:08:02 AM
I just have an open-ended question to see if anyone has any information regarding SIU 6.  The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet's home page on I-69 reported that there were four interchanges that would need to be upgraded to interstate standards.  These interchanges are at the I-69/I-24 junction with the Purchase Parkway, exit 43 at Route 348 at Benton, exit 21 in Mayfield, and exit 14 at Route 339 at Wingo.  Google Earth shows construction going on at the Benton Interchange, but the imagery is back from July.  Does anyone have any updates regarding these improvements?  I was also under the impression that the KTC could not re-sign the Purchase Parkway until these improvements were either finished or substantially under construction.  Any updates would be greatly appreciated!

This February 1 TV video (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/31113931/i-69-transition-already-bringing-dozens-of-jobs) provides an update on the Purchase Parkway transition and quotes Graves County Economic Development Director Ryan Drane as hoping that I-69 shields will be installed "within the next 12 to 18 months":

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... Upgrades to portions of west Kentucky’s Purchase Parkway as it transitions to I-69 are more than halfway done.
The $8 million project, which started last April, is about 70 percent complete. It’s a 30 mile stretch from Julian-Carroll-Jackson Purchase Parkway near Mayfield, extending northward toward the I-24 interchange near Calvert City.
Upgrades include guard rail and median work, along with widening and lengthening exit ramps.
Graves County Economic Development Director Ryan Drane ....
hopes they will get their shields or signage changed within the next 12 to 18 months.

“The I-69 designation that totally changes the game. Then we are known by not only by national but international travelers that this is a direct and quickest route to get from their location to where they are going,” Drane said.
Kentucky Transportation Cabinet Spokesperson Keith Todd says the most notable work ongoing at this time is new deck and barrier walls on the Clarks River bridge between Benton and Draffenville around the 44 mile marker. They also have some extended sections of milling and paving that will have to wait until March.
There’s also reconstruction happening along Kentucky 348 in Benton at the exit 43 interchange in Marshall County. It is 40 percent complete and shut down for the winter. The target completion date is June 30. Work should resume in March.
Todd says in the future they expect to have projects for reconstruction of the I-69/I-24/Purchase Parkway interchange at Calvert City and the interchange at the southwest edge of Mayfield for the US 45 bypass and the south leg of the Purchase Parkway to Fulton. This is to make these interchanges full flow for I-69 traffic. Start dates for the projects are expected to be announced soon.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on February 09, 2016, 12:26:18 PM
Here is a snip of the interchange redesign map (http://governor.ky.gov/Press%20Release%20Attachments/20150325_I-69interchange.pdf) from Gov. Beshear's press release (http://migration.kentucky.gov/newsroom/governor/20150325interchange.htm) that provides an illustration of the flyover ramp from Future I-69/Purchase Parkway northbound to the Purchase Parkway spur:
(http://i.imgur.com/uOuAsyK.jpg)
This February 1 TV video (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/31113931/i-69-transition-already-bringing-dozens-of-jobs) provides an update on the Purchase Parkway transition ...:
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Kentucky Transportation Cabinet Spokesperson Keith Todd ....
says in the future they expect to have projects for reconstruction of the I-69/I-24/Purchase Parkway interchange at Calvert City and the interchange at the southwest edge of Mayfield for the US 45 bypass and the south leg of the Purchase Parkway to Fulton. This is to make these interchanges full flow for I-69 traffic. Start dates for the projects are expected to be announced soon.

This article (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/31172535/contracts-awarded-for-i-69-interchange-upgrades) reports that contracts have been awarded for the Interstate 24/Julian Carroll-Purchase Parkway interchange near Calvert City, the U.S. 45-Bypass/Purchase Parkway interchange southwest of Mayfield, and the reconstruction of the Kentucky 80 Mayfield interchange and improved connections to U.S. 45; work is expected to begin in March:

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The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet says it has awarded two contracts for major interchange upgrades on the Interstate 69 Corridor in Marshall and Graves counties.
KYTC spokesman Keith Todd says Gov. Matt Bevin announced Jim Smith Contracting, of Grand Rivers, has been awarded a $37 million contract for the reconstruction of the Interstate 24/Julian Carroll-Purchase Parkway interchange near Calvert City in Marshall County.
Todd said Bevin also announced awarding Jim Smith Contracting a $24 million contract for the reconstruction of the U.S. 45-Bypass/Purchase Parkway interchange southwest of Mayfield in Graves County.  The project includes the reconstruction of the Kentucky 80 Mayfield interchange and improved connections to U.S. 45.

Todd says the revised interchange design for Calvert City maintains a direct connection between the existing Purchase Parkway and U.S. 62 at Calvert City. The project, which is on the southwest edge of Mayfield, includes the reconstruction of the U.S. 45-Bypass/Purchase Parkway interchange, as well as the reconstruction of the KY 80 interchange and improved connections with U.S. 45.
Todd said the chief engineer on the project expects the contractor will be ready to start work sometime in March.

Here is a snip of the US 45 interchange:

(http://i.imgur.com/Mp9TrWQ.jpg)

Here is a snip of the KY 80 interchange:

(http://i.imgur.com/FhAKwel.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: abqtraveler on February 09, 2016, 03:36:59 PM
Nice to see that Kentucky is moving full bore on converting the Purchase Parkway to I-69.  Unfortunately it looks like it'll end up being a cul-de-sac at the Tennessee state line until Tennessee comes up with the money to reconfigure the South Fulton interchange.  I doubt that'll happen any time soon.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rte66man on February 10, 2016, 08:52:14 PM
That KY80 interchange in Mayfield is desperately in need of improvement.  When I was there a few years ago, I was westbound on 80 and turned north on the Purchase.  I was horrified to see there was ZERO merge area.  You come down the hill with limited visibility and are dumped immediately onto the Purchase. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on February 10, 2016, 10:01:51 PM
Nice to see that Kentucky is moving full bore on converting the Purchase Parkway to I-69.  Unfortunately it looks like it'll end up being a cul-de-sac at the Tennessee state line until Tennessee comes up with the money to reconfigure the South Fulton interchange.  I doubt that'll happen any time soon.

TDOT could close the median cut at the southbound ramp and the turnaround for TN 214 as an interim measure; traffic from town trying to access the high school would have to take the long way, but otherwise limiting access wouldn't cause too much trouble.

Besides which, the Union City bypass is probably still a decade away from being complete, so at best it'd just extend the designation a few miles to the southwest to a seemingly arbitrary point on the US 51/45W freeway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on February 11, 2016, 08:48:25 AM
Besides which, the Union City bypass is probably still a decade away from being complete, so at best it'd just extend the designation a few miles to the southwest to a seemingly arbitrary point on the US 51/45W freeway.

Judging by how TDOT has been dragging their feet with I-269 signage in Memphis, I doubt I-69 shields will go up anytime soon between Fulton and Union City, or between Troy and Dyersburg.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: abqtraveler on February 11, 2016, 09:50:16 AM
Besides which, the Union City bypass is probably still a decade away from being complete, so at best it'd just extend the designation a few miles to the southwest to a seemingly arbitrary point on the US 51/45W freeway.

Judging by how TDOT has been dragging their feet with I-269 signage in Memphis, I doubt I-69 shields will go up anytime soon between Fulton and Union City, or between Troy and Dyersburg.

Tennessee simply lacks the money and political will to get their part of I-69 done.  Segment 8 between Dyersburg and Millington has pretty much been taken off the table, meaning its probable that that portion of I-69 will never get built. Same goes for the section of I-69 between I-269 and I-40/TN-300 on the north side of Memphis.  The only reason Segment 7 is being built (at glacial speed) is because a slow trickle of federal money for that section.

The rationale of course--no money to build the 74 miles of new highway between Memphis and Dyersburg.  Several years ago the Tennessee Legislature passed a bill that would authorize toll roads, but no section of I-69 in Tennessee has been considered for tolling.  From that I surmise that politicians and transportation officials in Tennessee are simply not interested in building I-69, but the state is being forced to pursue the highway thanks to an unfunded mandate imposed by the federal government.  IMHO, it's being viewed as a "nice-to-have," but "we can live without it too."
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on February 11, 2016, 10:37:43 AM
Besides which, the Union City bypass is probably still a decade away from being complete, so at best it'd just extend the designation a few miles to the southwest to a seemingly arbitrary point on the US 51/45W freeway.

Judging by how TDOT has been dragging their feet with I-269 signage in Memphis, I doubt I-69 shields will go up anytime soon between Fulton and Union City, or between Troy and Dyersburg.

Tennessee simply lacks the money and political will to get their part of I-69 done.  Segment 8 between Dyersburg and Millington has pretty much been taken off the table, meaning its probable that that portion of I-69 will never get built. Same goes for the section of I-69 between I-269 and I-40/TN-300 on the north side of Memphis.  The only reason Segment 7 is being built (at glacial speed) is because a slow trickle of federal money for that section.

The rationale of course--no money to build the 74 miles of new highway between Memphis and Dyersburg.  Several years ago the Tennessee Legislature passed a bill that would authorize toll roads, but no section of I-69 in Tennessee has been considered for tolling.  From that I surmise that politicians and transportation officials in Tennessee are simply not interested in building I-69, but the state is being forced to pursue the highway thanks to an unfunded mandate imposed by the federal government.  IMHO, it's being viewed as a "nice-to-have," but "we can live without it too."

Does Tennessee really benefit from this highway?  I'm still skeptical at the use of 69 south of e-ville.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: english si on February 11, 2016, 11:42:55 AM
Linking Memphis to the areas north/northeast of it, especially the I-71 corridor via the W KY Pkwy, better is a decent gain for TN.

The issue TN has is that US51 is a pretty decent road, but requires a lot of costly work to get it to interstate standards. There's no not-that-decent bit that needs an offline new-build route anyway, like IN, to get momentum for the project going*. Nor is it like KY where a dozen small schemes improving bridge clearances and a couple of medium ones rebuilding junctions can get 95% of the work done for not much, allowing the momentum to build for the remaining 5%**.

TN just cannot get the momentum of something that needs upgrading badly (IN) or low-hanging fruit that can add large lengths of I-69 for less than $1bn (KY).

*it's sheer momentum that will get IN37 upgraded, as it suffers from the same issues as US51 in TN of the existing road being mostly fine and works to upgrade it being costly.
**the Ohio River Bridge suffers the same issues as IN37 and US51 in TN: the existing road is mostly good enough and the cost of getting it to a standard that blue and white shields can be used is high.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: abqtraveler on February 11, 2016, 02:09:51 PM
Linking Memphis to the areas north/northeast of it, especially the I-71 corridor via the W KY Pkwy, better is a decent gain for TN.

The issue TN has is that US51 is a pretty decent road, but requires a lot of costly work to get it to interstate standards. There's no not-that-decent bit that needs an offline new-build route anyway, like IN, to get momentum for the project going*. Nor is it like KY where a dozen small schemes improving bridge clearances and a couple of medium ones rebuilding junctions can get 95% of the work done for not much, allowing the momentum to build for the remaining 5%**.

TN just cannot get the momentum of something that needs upgrading badly (IN) or low-hanging fruit that can add large lengths of I-69 for less than $1bn (KY).

*it's sheer momentum that will get IN37 upgraded, as it suffers from the same issues as US51 in TN of the existing road being mostly fine and works to upgrade it being costly.
**the Ohio River Bridge suffers the same issues as IN37 and US51 in TN: the existing road is mostly good enough and the cost of getting it to a standard that blue and white shields can be used is high.


From Dyersburg to Fulton, US-51 is already close to interstate grade, aside for the Troy-Union City section (~22 miles) and the South Fulton interchange at the Kentucky state line, so it would make sense for Tennessee to finish Segment 7.  That way, I-69 would continue from where the Purchase Parkway ends to I-155, where traffic could follow 155 over the river to Cape Girardeau, Missouri and continue south to Memphis and points beyond on I-55.  Since there's already a viable route from Dyersburg to Memphis, there would be no immediate need to build Segment 8 of I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rte66man on February 11, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
Linking Memphis to the areas north/northeast of it, especially the I-71 corridor via the W KY Pkwy, better is a decent gain for TN.

The issue TN has is that US51 is a pretty decent road, but requires a lot of costly work to get it to interstate standards. There's no not-that-decent bit that needs an offline new-build route anyway, like IN, to get momentum for the project going...

I beg to differ.  Dyersburg to Ripley is very nice, but Ripley to Covington is fair, and from there it is nothing but poor.  51 takes you right through the heart of Covington, there are stretches of Missouri 4 lane that is highly substandard, the amount of cross traffic is heavy, etc.  Ripley to Millington HAS to have a new alignment.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on February 12, 2016, 04:26:14 AM
I beg to differ.  Dyersburg to Ripley is very nice, but Ripley to Covington is fair, and from there it is nothing but poor.  51 takes you right through the heart of Covington, there are stretches of Missouri 4 lane that is highly substandard, the amount of cross traffic is heavy, etc.  Ripley to Millington HAS to have a new alignment.

Indeed. As I've said before elsewhere, the traffic and operational demand is there for an alignment west of US 51 from Millington to Covington to the Hatchie River crossing; it's just a matter of resources. I think you'll start to see more serious movement on SIU 8 when the Troy-Union City section goes out for paving. Until then there isn't a lot of point in moving the environmental and design paperwork forward since it'd likely just have to be reexamined when the money is there to build anyway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 12, 2016, 05:10:48 PM
Linking Memphis to the areas north/northeast of it, especially the I-71 corridor via the W KY Pkwy, better is a decent gain for TN.

The issue TN has is that US51 is a pretty decent road, but requires a lot of costly work to get it to interstate standards. There's no not-that-decent bit that needs an offline new-build route anyway, like IN, to get momentum for the project going*. Nor is it like KY where a dozen small schemes improving bridge clearances and a couple of medium ones rebuilding junctions can get 95% of the work done for not much, allowing the momentum to build for the remaining 5%**.

TN just cannot get the momentum of something that needs upgrading badly (IN) or low-hanging fruit that can add large lengths of I-69 for less than $1bn (KY).

*it's sheer momentum that will get IN37 upgraded, as it suffers from the same issues as US51 in TN of the existing road being mostly fine and works to upgrade it being costly.
**the Ohio River Bridge suffers the same issues as IN37 and US51 in TN: the existing road is mostly good enough and the cost of getting it to a standard that blue and white shields can be used is high.


From Dyersburg to Fulton, US-51 is already close to interstate grade, aside for the Troy-Union City section (~22 miles) and the South Fulton interchange at the Kentucky state line, so it would make sense for Tennessee to finish Segment 7.  That way, I-69 would continue from where the Purchase Parkway ends to I-155, where traffic could follow 155 over the river to Cape Girardeau, Missouri and continue south to Memphis and points beyond on I-55.  Since there's already a viable route from Dyersburg to Memphis, there would be no immediate need to build Segment 8 of I-69.

There is a parallel discussion of I-69 in TN going on in the appropriate forum for that state. It seems that Tennessee is indeed moving forward slowly on Segment 7, with several projects ready for bid this year.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on February 12, 2016, 05:25:58 PM
I don't understand why Kentucky is redoing perfectly fine interchanges. If they have that much money to waste on stupid stuff like that then I am 100% against a raise in the gas tax. There is nothing wrong with the cloverleaf or the trumpet, and both are interstate quality interchanges regardless. The trumpet could've used some more signage or better markings on the road itself, but totally changing the interchange is just dumb. BTW I have driven through both of these interchanges, so I know what I am talking about.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on February 12, 2016, 06:37:14 PM
I don't understand why Kentucky is redoing perfectly fine interchanges. If they have that much money to waste on stupid stuff like that then I am 100% against a raise in the gas tax. There is nothing wrong with the cloverleaf or the trumpet, and both are interstate quality interchanges regardless. The trumpet could've used some more signage or better markings on the road itself, but totally changing the interchange is just dumb. BTW I have driven through both of these interchanges, so I know what I am talking about.

When the KTC proposed converting these parkways to I-69, all aspects of these highways (such as ramp widths, sight distance, ramp lengths for transitions, bridge capacities, barriers, and such) were studied against current code requirements for interstates that are mandated by law.  Although you and others may think that there is nothing wrong with the current configurations, these interchanges do not meet interstate design criteria and must be upgraded before FHWA would allow the parkways to be converted to I-69.  All of these documents, along with supporting appendices, are available on the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet's website for I-69.  These are legal documents that must be made available to the public.  In fact, every state DOT website related to I-69 have all of these studies available to the public.  As an engineer, I found many of these studies interesting to read.  However, to many in the public, they may not see these in the same manner as I do.

When I design a structure (and I've worked in both the transportation and private development industries), my work must be in compliance with all applicable codes for the structure's designated function.  I may not always agree with these requirements, but they are legally binding.  And all of these code requirements are based on years of on-going study, research, crash-data, and many other variables, and any changes proposed have been rigorously peer-reviewed by professionals experienced in these fields.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on February 12, 2016, 07:02:15 PM
I don't understand why Kentucky is redoing perfectly fine interchanges. If they have that much money to waste on stupid stuff like that then I am 100% against a raise in the gas tax. There is nothing wrong with the cloverleaf or the trumpet, and both are interstate quality interchanges regardless. The trumpet could've used some more signage or better markings on the road itself, but totally changing the interchange is just dumb. BTW I have driven through both of these interchanges, so I know what I am talking about.
They AREN'T interstate quality, not if I-69 is to be the "through route".  The FHWA has BANNED TOTSOs in new interstates.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on February 12, 2016, 07:35:31 PM
They AREN'T interstate quality, not if I-69 is to be the "through route".  The FHWA has BANNED TOTSOs in new interstates.
Which is why the I-55/69 split will need to be rebuilt. Oh wait.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on February 12, 2016, 08:15:30 PM
Sorry Gang, what is a TOTSO?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Big John on February 12, 2016, 08:22:30 PM
^^ TOTSO means "Turn Off To Stay On" meaning one must take an exit to stay on the same route.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on February 12, 2016, 10:07:38 PM
They AREN'T interstate quality, not if I-69 is to be the "through route".  The FHWA has BANNED TOTSOs in new interstates.
Which is why the I-55/69 split will need to be rebuilt. Oh wait.

Yeah no kidding.

Then we got the Quad Cities in Illinois where I-74 / I-80 meet at a cloverleaf. Further west I-74 goes through another cloverleaf. Both of those are in a much busier setting.

I don't care what the rules are, it's still a waste of money to redo exits that are basically interstate quality. Until they stop wasting money on pointless projects like these I am totally against a raise in the gas tax. They could use all that money they are wasting to fix (repave) existing roads.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on February 13, 2016, 02:05:43 AM
They AREN'T interstate quality, not if I-69 is to be the "through route".  The FHWA has BANNED TOTSOs in new interstates.
Which is why the I-55/69 split will need to be rebuilt. Oh wait.

I-55/69 has a C/D road on the I-55 mainline, which probably allowed the capacity of the interchange to be sufficient for the design year when FHWA Mississippi division signed off on designating the route. I don't think the TOTSO issue has much to do with it.

If we compare the I-24/Purchase interchange, you have two loop ramps on the westbound I-24 carriageway that will attract a lot of movements (I-69 through traffic as well as I-69 NB traffic heading for Paducah) without a C/D road. You're likely going to run into operational issues for I-24 through traffic in addition to people trying to stay on I-69 as soon as you see an uptick in I-69 through traffic due to the upgrades elsewhere.

As for the US 45 and KY 80 interchanges, one thing you'll note in the diagram is that KYTC is also adding capacity with auxiliary lanes; I suspect that it'd be hard to add the necessary extra through lanes for I-69 under traffic (particularly widening the northbound I-69 overpass over US 45 to add an extra lane and a shoulder), while rebuilding the interchange with I-69 as the through route allows the staging to be less disruptive.

As for Quad Cities, nobody is proposing designating a new interstate there so it's really a non-sequitur.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on February 13, 2016, 03:43:59 AM
Since 1995 the following has been law:
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(A) IN GENERAL- The portions of the routes referred to in clauses (i), (ii), and (iii) of subsection (c)(5)(B), in subsection (c)(9), and in subsections (c)(18) and (c)(20) that are not a part of the Interstate System are designated as future parts of the Interstate System. Any segment of such routes shall become a part of the Interstate System at such time as the Secretary determines that the segment--

    (i) meets the Interstate System design standards approved by the Secretary under section 109(b) of title 23, United States Code; and
    (ii) connects to an existing Interstate System segment.

Nothing here says that the connection to an existing Interstate (I-24) must be up to extra "no-TOTSO" standards. Simply make sure that the Purchase itself is up to standards, and it becomes I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on February 13, 2016, 01:52:56 PM
Since 1995 the following has been law:
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(A) IN GENERAL- The portions of the routes referred to in clauses (i), (ii), and (iii) of subsection (c)(5)(B), in subsection (c)(9), and in subsections (c)(18) and (c)(20) that are not a part of the Interstate System are designated as future parts of the Interstate System. Any segment of such routes shall become a part of the Interstate System at such time as the Secretary determines that the segment--

    (i) meets the Interstate System design standards approved by the Secretary under section 109(b) of title 23, United States Code; and
    (ii) connects to an existing Interstate System segment.

Nothing here says that the connection to an existing Interstate (I-24) must be up to extra "no-TOTSO" standards. Simply make sure that the Purchase itself is up to standards, and it becomes I-69.

I think by definition any connection to an existing Interstate segment would have to meet the design standards under 23 USC 109(b), since the connecting interchange itself would be part of the newly designated Interstate highway. Here's the relevant section of federal law:

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(b) The geometric and construction standards to be adopted for the Interstate System shall be those approved by the Secretary in cooperation with the State transportation departments. Such standards, as applied to each actual construction project, shall be adequate to enable such project to accommodate the types and volumes of traffic anticipated for such project for the twenty-year period commencing on the date of approval by the Secretary, under section 106 of this title, of the plans, specifications, and estimates for actual construction of such project. Such standards shall in all cases provide for at least four lanes of traffic. The right-of-way width of the Interstate System shall be adequate to permit construction of projects on the Interstate System to such standards. The Secretary shall apply such standards uniformly throughout all the States.

Emphasis added. Incidentally this suggests that FHWA Mississippi division blew the decision to approve the I-55/69 routing involving single-lane ramps, although I believe there are plans to widen the loop ramp at least; it also means that FHWA Tennessee division probably won't approve designating I-69 in South Fulton until there are plans to rebuild the interchange at US 45E.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on February 13, 2016, 03:31:50 PM
They AREN'T interstate quality, not if I-69 is to be the "through route".  The FHWA has BANNED TOTSOs in new interstates.
Which is why the I-55/69 split will need to be rebuilt. Oh wait.
I have no idea how that ever got approved.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: english si on February 13, 2016, 04:20:03 PM
Which is why the I-55/69 split will need to be rebuilt. Oh wait.
I have no idea how that ever got approved.
I think it's fine as long as the other route is an interstate. The issue in KY is where the straight on route isn't an interstate.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rte66man on February 13, 2016, 05:38:05 PM
Here is a screen cap from Earth Explorer showing the Purchase just north of the KY80 interchange:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1567/24981190866_5764306515.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/E4v8Hm)2016-02-13_16-33-36 (https://flic.kr/p/E4v8Hm) by rte66man (https://www.flickr.com/photos/rte66man/), on Flickr

The lack of merging lanes and VERY short ramps are a real problem IMO.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 13, 2016, 10:05:40 PM
Which is why the I-55/69 split will need to be rebuilt. Oh wait.
I have no idea how that ever got approved.
I think it's fine as long as the other route is an interstate. The issue in KY is where the straight on route isn't an interstate.

I think it's because they think most traffic will bypass using I-269 once that's open.  I can think that's the only reason it was approved.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: noelbotevera on February 13, 2016, 10:33:52 PM
Here is a screen cap from Earth Explorer showing the Purchase just north of the KY80 interchange:
(snip)
The lack of merging lanes and VERY short ramps are a real problem IMO.
Someone should correct me here, but I believe that the interchange dates from when the Purchase was a toll road, and thus the toll was under the overpass, and all the lanes merged and exited before and after it respectively. After the tolls were removed, all the interchanges that had tolls end up like this with almost no merge space and sometimes short ramps.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 14, 2016, 01:09:19 AM
Here is a screen cap from Earth Explorer showing the Purchase just north of the KY80 interchange:
(snip)
The lack of merging lanes and VERY short ramps are a real problem IMO.
Someone should correct me here, but I believe that the interchange dates from when the Purchase was a toll road, and thus the toll was under the overpass, and all the lanes merged and exited before and after it respectively. After the tolls were removed, all the interchanges that had tolls end up like this with almost no merge space and sometimes short ramps.

Actually, the KY 80 interchange dates back from where that segment of the Purchase was the US 45 bypass.

As for TOTSOs, that might be the case for I-69 being the through route at the WK/Pennyrile interchange, but not necessarily at the I-24/Purchase interchange. I-24 would seem to be the through route. And I'm surprised more wasn't done to upgrade the I-24/WK interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on February 14, 2016, 02:55:35 AM
Someone should correct me here, but I believe that the interchange dates from when the Purchase was a toll road, and thus the toll was under the overpass, and all the lanes merged and exited before and after it respectively. After the tolls were removed, all the interchanges that had tolls end up like this with almost no merge space and sometimes short ramps.

Actually, the KY 80 interchange dates back from where that segment of the Purchase was the US 45 bypass.

Indeed. The former toll booth locations are mostly eliminated now and reconstructed as standard diamonds; originally many were loop-ramp only interchanges where mainline and ramp tolls were collected in the same place with toll booths under the overpass. A surviving example. (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mayfield,+KY+42066/@36.6462967,-88.7555817,16.89z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x887a2e39060ee5ad:0x55bc347896b2aea8)

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As for TOTSOs, that might be the case for I-69 being the through route at the WK/Pennyrile interchange, but not necessarily at the I-24/Purchase interchange. I-24 would seem to be the through route. And I'm surprised more wasn't done to upgrade the I-24/WK interchange.

Again suggesting there's not a TOTSO "rule" but instead it's about design capacity. The I-24/WK ramps are adequate for traffic expected around 2025; the WK/Pennyrile and I-24/Purchase (and US 45 Bypass/Purchase) ramps weren't.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: noelbotevera on February 15, 2016, 06:02:15 PM
So just north of exit 14, I found this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6538603,-88.7455642,3a,18.8y,48.03h,90.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEPtY4RD7dA0IWV2Gi7RcfA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1). So starting from the beginning, this will be part of I-69 or the sign outdated? Also, is exit 14 another project that has to be done in order for this to become I-69?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: ukfan758 on February 15, 2016, 09:04:19 PM
So just north of exit 14, I found this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6538603,-88.7455642,3a,18.8y,48.03h,90.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEPtY4RD7dA0IWV2Gi7RcfA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1). So starting from the beginning, this will be part of I-69 or the sign outdated? Also, is exit 14 another project that has to be done in order for this to become I-69?
To answer your first question, yes, the Purchase Parkway will become I-69 once improvements are made and the sign is not outdated due to the parkway not yet being an interstate. To answer the second, considering there is only about 100-150 feet of merging and exit space, exit 14 will most likely have to be re-done.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: abqtraveler on February 22, 2016, 05:33:27 PM
So just north of exit 14, I found this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6538603,-88.7455642,3a,18.8y,48.03h,90.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEPtY4RD7dA0IWV2Gi7RcfA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1). So starting from the beginning, this will be part of I-69 or the sign outdated? Also, is exit 14 another project that has to be done in order for this to become I-69?
To answer your first question, yes, the Purchase Parkway will become I-69 once improvements are made and the sign is not outdated due to the parkway not yet being an interstate. To answer the second, considering there is only about 100-150 feet of merging and exit space, exit 14 will most likely have to be re-done.

Exit 14 is one of those "tollbooth" style interchanges that will have to be reconfigured to (preemptively) a diamond interchange.  I think it's the last of the tollbooth interchanges that needs to be reworked.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on April 20, 2016, 01:45:49 PM
All the I-69 signs on the Pennyrile Parkway and mile markers are now up. (http://www.dawsonspringsprogress.com/news/article_68b37c12-0699-11e6-a5d1-7360a72ccf9d.html)

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Installation of signage for new exit numbers and mile markers along 41.8 miles of Interstate 69 from Mortons Gap to the Ky. 425 Henderson Bypass is complete. According to KYTC District 2 Chief Engineer Kevin McClearn, all I-69 mile markers are up, and the old Pennyrile Parkway mile points are being taken down.

As of April 14, emergency agencies in Hopkins, Webster and Henderson counties were asked to convert their incident response and crash reporting to the I-69 mile points.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 20, 2016, 02:49:08 PM
Now to upgrade the Purchase Parkway and connect the Pennyrile with Interstate 69 in Indiana. Then Kentucky's segment of 69 will be good to go.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on April 20, 2016, 04:30:53 PM
Now to upgrade the Purchase Parkway and connect the Pennyrile with Interstate 69 in Indiana. Then Kentucky's segment of 69 will be good to go.

Close, but not quite.  I did read earlier that contracts were awarded by the KTC for two or three interchange reconstructions (which is a big part of the conversion of the Purchase Parkway to I-69).  However, the last major item that will still need to be done is the interchange work and transition between Kentucky and Tennessee down in Fulton.  Not really sure when that work will begin and it will need to be coordinated between both states.  However, excluding that, you are correct: Kentucky's segment will essentially be completed.

Still need to stay tuned for the I-69/Ohio River bridge between Kentucky and Indiana.  :D
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on April 20, 2016, 11:06:11 PM
Close, but not quite.  I did read earlier that contracts were awarded by the KTC for two or three interchange reconstructions (which is a big part of the conversion of the Purchase Parkway to I-69).  However, the last major item that will still need to be done is the interchange work and transition between Kentucky and Tennessee down in Fulton.  Not really sure when that work will begin and it will need to be coordinated between both states.  However, excluding that, you are correct: Kentucky's segment will essentially be completed.

Technically the substandard interchange is entirely in Tennessee, so there's nothing for Kentucky to do. Any solution that makes I-69 a proper through route probably will require some work in Kentucky though.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: EngineerTM on May 03, 2016, 02:36:38 PM
Close, but not quite.  I did read earlier that contracts were awarded by the KTC for two or three interchange reconstructions (which is a big part of the conversion of the Purchase Parkway to I-69).  However, the last major item that will still need to be done is the interchange work and transition between Kentucky and Tennessee down in Fulton.  Not really sure when that work will begin and it will need to be coordinated between both states.  However, excluding that, you are correct: Kentucky's segment will essentially be completed.

Technically the substandard interchange is entirely in Tennessee, so there's nothing for Kentucky to do. Any solution that makes I-69 a proper through route probably will require some work in Kentucky though.

I found this document on the KTC's I-69 webpage.  It is the "Recommendations" part of what I think was their final corridor study:

http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Fulton%20to%20Eddyville%20Section%20-%209_RECOMMENDATIONS_AND_NEXT_STEPS.pdf

On page 9-3, the report recommended that Kentucky seek design variances for interchange spaces for Exits 0, 1, and 3 around Fulton.  It also stated that there would need to be coordination between Kentucky and Tennessee regarding the Exit 0 Weigh Station Interchange along with addressing other undefined deficiencies for the I-69 connectivity across state lines.  This is what I was alluding to in my earlier posts.  I was in no way trying to make light of the work that the KTC has recently let for construction for the remainder of the Purchase Parkway's improvements.  I sincerely hope that I-69 through Indiana and Kentucky will be completely finished (including the new Ohio River crossing) by 2022.
Title: I-169 coming to Kentucky?
Post by: Grzrd on May 22, 2016, 10:20:45 AM
Kentucky U.S. Senator Rand Paul has introduced a proposed amendment, SA 3967, to SA 3896 to House Appropriations Bill H.R. 2777 (https://www.congress.gov/amendment/114th-congress/senate-amendment/3967/text/2162137) that designates the Edward T. Breathitt Parkway from I-24 to I-69 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8771637,-87.6869152,107843m/data=!3m1!1e3) as I-169:

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SA 3967. Mr. PAUL submitted an amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 3896 proposed by Ms. Collins (for herself, Mr. Kirk, Mr. Reed, and Mr. Tester) to the bill H.R. 2577, making appropriations for the Departments of Transportation, and Housing and Urban Development, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2016, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 41, strike lines 12 through 25 and insert the following:
``(89) United States Route 67 from Interstate 40 in North Little Rock, Arkansas, to United States Route 412.
``(90) The Edward T. Breathitt Parkway from Interstate 24 to Interstate 69.''.
(b) Inclusion of Certain Route Segments on Interstate System.--Section 1105(e)(5)(A) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended in the first sentence by striking ``and subsection (c)(83)'' and inserting ``subsection (c)(83), subsection (c)(89), and subsection (c)(90)''.
(c) Designation.--Section 1105(e)(5)(C)(i) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended by adding at the end the following: ``The route referred to in subsection (c)(89) is designated as Interstate Route I-57. The route referred to in subsection (c)(90) is designated as Interstate Route I-169.''.

Well, this probably eliminates one designation possibility for the Future I-69 Spur/ Audubon Parkway.



I found this document on the KTC's I-69 webpage.  It is the "Recommendations" part of what I think was their final corridor study:
http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Fulton%20to%20Eddyville%20Section%20-%209_RECOMMENDATIONS_AND_NEXT_STEPS.pdf
On page 9-3, the report recommended that Kentucky seek design variances for interchange spaces for Exits 0, 1, and 3 around Fulton.  It also stated that there would need to be coordination between Kentucky and Tennessee regarding the Exit 0 Weigh Station Interchange along with addressing other undefined deficiencies for the I-69 connectivity across state lines.  This is what I was alluding to in my earlier posts.

TDOT and KYTC conducted a December 3, 2015 Public Meeting regarding an I-69 state ine connection that has been recently discussed in the I-69 in TN thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2146133#msg2146133).
Title: Re: I-169 coming to Kentucky?
Post by: mgk920 on May 22, 2016, 11:10:02 AM
Kentucky U.S. Senator Rand Paul has introduced a proposed amendment, SA 3967, to SA 3896 to House Appropriations Bill H.R. 2777 (https://www.congress.gov/amendment/114th-congress/senate-amendment/3967/text/2162137) that designates the Edward T. Breathitt Parkway from I-24 to I-69 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8771637,-87.6869152,107843m/data=!3m1!1e3) as I-169:

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SA 3967. Mr. PAUL submitted an amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 3896 proposed by Ms. Collins (for herself, Mr. Kirk, Mr. Reed, and Mr. Tester) to the bill H.R. 2577, making appropriations for the Departments of Transportation, and Housing and Urban Development, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2016, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 41, strike lines 12 through 25 and insert the following:
``(89) United States Route 67 from Interstate 40 in North Little Rock, Arkansas, to United States Route 412.
``(90) The Edward T. Breathitt Parkway from Interstate 24 to Interstate 69.''.
(b) Inclusion of Certain Route Segments on Interstate System.--Section 1105(e)(5)(A) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended in the first sentence by striking ``and subsection (c)(83)'' and inserting ``subsection (c)(83), subsection (c)(89), and subsection (c)(90)''.
(c) Designation.--Section 1105(e)(5)(C)(i) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended by adding at the end the following: ``The route referred to in subsection (c)(89) is designated as Interstate Route I-57. The route referred to in subsection (c)(90) is designated as Interstate Route I-169.''.

Well, this probably eliminates one designation possibility for the Future I-69 Spur/ Audubon Parkway.



I found this document on the KTC's I-69 webpage.  It is the "Recommendations" part of what I think was their final corridor study:
http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Fulton%20to%20Eddyville%20Section%20-%209_RECOMMENDATIONS_AND_NEXT_STEPS.pdf
On page 9-3, the report recommended that Kentucky seek design variances for interchange spaces for Exits 0, 1, and 3 around Fulton.  It also stated that there would need to be coordination between Kentucky and Tennessee regarding the Exit 0 Weigh Station Interchange along with addressing other undefined deficiencies for the I-69 connectivity across state lines.  This is what I was alluding to in my earlier posts.

TDOT and KYTC conducted a December 3, 2015 Public Meeting regarding an I-69 state ine connection that has been recently discussed in the I-69 in TN thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2146133#msg2146133).

Naaaah, 'I-41'.

 :nod:

Mike
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 22, 2016, 02:44:42 PM

Naaaah, 'I-41'.

 :nod:

Mike

 :-D 

With the interchange at KY-1682 who's the remaining interchange left if it's original configuration http://gokml.net/maps-azteca.php#ll=36.893257,-87.464286&z=15&t=r and some overpasses height. Is there a lot to upgrade the remaining Edward T. Breathitt pwky/Pennyrile pkwy to upgrade before it's get its I-169 or I-41  :-D designation? 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on May 22, 2016, 03:31:43 PM
why the hell did he pick 169? this should be an even triple digit interstate!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 22, 2016, 04:26:36 PM
why the hell did he pick 169? this should be an even triple digit interstate!

Why?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on May 22, 2016, 04:29:30 PM
why the hell did he pick 169? this should be an even triple digit interstate!

Why?

Eh, it's no big deal, I just say that because it connects to two interstates, so it's not a spur that doesn't connect at the other end. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: LM117 on May 22, 2016, 05:50:30 PM
why the hell did he pick 169? this should be an even triple digit interstate!

Why?

Eh, it's no big deal, I just say that because it connects to two interstates, so it's not a spur that doesn't connect at the other end.

That was my first reaction also. What surprises me even more is that it took this long for the idea to turn the Pennyrile to an I-x69 from I-69 to I-24 to come about (unless I missed something). I figured it would happen sooner or later. Either way, it gives Nashville and Evansville an interstate connection.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on May 22, 2016, 05:51:49 PM
I think every parkway in Kentucky should be an interstate or throw the parallel us or state highway on it.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on May 23, 2016, 09:59:37 AM
What would be the rationale? Every parkway is already a state highway, albeit unsigned. Some parkways also do not parallel US highways - such as the Mountain Parkway, so adding a designation wouldn't be feasible.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on May 23, 2016, 10:03:34 AM
What would be the rationale? Every parkway is already a state highway, albeit unsigned. Some parkways also do not parallel US highways - such as the Mountain Parkway, so adding a designation wouldn't be feasible.
Only where it makes sense, I don't know a lot about Kentucky so it may not work everywhere
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 23, 2016, 12:58:48 PM
Eh, it's no big deal, I just say that because it connects to two interstates, so it's not a spur that doesn't connect at the other end.

There's precedent. See I-155 and I-355 in Illinois.

What would be the rationale? Every parkway is already a state highway, albeit unsigned. Some parkways also do not parallel US highways - such as the Mountain Parkway, so adding a designation wouldn't be feasible.

I'd put US 460 on the Mountain Parkway and have it end at I-64, and return US 460 to its original number of KY 40. (I'd also swap US 460 and KY 114 between Salyersville and US 23).
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: froggie on May 23, 2016, 02:00:26 PM
What would be the rationale? Every parkway is already a state highway, albeit unsigned. Some parkways also do not parallel US highways - such as the Mountain Parkway, so adding a designation wouldn't be feasible.

I'd put US 460 on the Mountain Parkway and have it end at I-64, and return US 460 to its original number of KY 40. (I'd also swap US 460 and KY 114 between Salyersville and US 23).

Concur.  It'd be fairly easy to put US 460 on the Mountain Parkway.  As for the broader question of what the rationale would be,  there are a number of reasons.  A) that subset of the driving population who more easily navigates via route numbers, B) numbers are easier (usually, maybe not for everyone) to remember than names, C) easier for inventory and database purposes, which is likely why KYTC has hidden route numbers for the parkways already.

So, right there, one doesn't even have to reroute highway routes onto the parkways, because they already have numbers.  Simply sign KY 402 along the Mountain Parkway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 23, 2016, 11:26:19 PM
Concur.  It'd be fairly easy to put US 460 on the Mountain Parkway.  As for the broader question of what the rationale would be,  there are a number of reasons.  A) that subset of the driving population who more easily navigates via route numbers, B) numbers are easier (usually, maybe not for everyone) to remember than names, C) easier for inventory and database purposes, which is likely why KYTC has hidden route numbers for the parkways already.

I think an even better rationale is that US 460 is not really a major through route west of Salyersville. It's basically a road that serves county seats and local traffic, even though Kentucky's rebuilding it in increments. It's not a key interstate (as opposed to Interstate) link. No one in Salyersville is going to use US 460 to get to the central part of the state.

Quote
So, right there, one doesn't even have to reroute highway routes onto the parkways, because they already have numbers.  Simply sign KY 402 along the Mountain Parkway.

It was interesting to watch Kentucky's progression on what to do with the route once the tolls came off. (It was the first toll road that wasn't already signed as a numbered route to become free). Kentucky first put KY 114 on the route, although it was never signed. Then came KY 402, which was only signed when Exit 33 at Slade was rebuilt. Those signs only lasted a couple of months before they were replaced with the standard old circular blue and green markers, and I regret not getting a photo. The 9000-series came later. I think KY 402 got reassigned somewhere out in the far western part of the state.

Occasionally some maps or mapping software will still show the route as KY 402 or KY 114.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on May 25, 2016, 10:40:15 AM
why the hell did he pick 169? this should be an even triple digit interstate!

Why?

Eh, it's no big deal, I just say that because it connects to two interstates, so it's not a spur that doesn't connect at the other end.

That was my first reaction also. What surprises me even more is that it took this long for the idea to turn the Pennyrile to an I-x69 from I-69 to I-24 to come about (unless I missed something). I figured it would happen sooner or later. Either way, it gives Nashville and Evansville an interstate connection.

I-169 is a good choice. The only problem I could see with it is that there is supposed to be a 169 in both Indiana and Tennessee. (There's also one in Texas.) But obviously there can be more than one "169" as long as they're located in different states.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Henry on May 25, 2016, 11:11:18 AM
why the hell did he pick 169? this should be an even triple digit interstate!

Why?

Eh, it's no big deal, I just say that because it connects to two interstates, so it's not a spur that doesn't connect at the other end.

That was my first reaction also. What surprises me even more is that it took this long for the idea to turn the Pennyrile to an I-x69 from I-69 to I-24 to come about (unless I missed something). I figured it would happen sooner or later. Either way, it gives Nashville and Evansville an interstate connection.

I-169 is a good choice. The only problem I could see with it is that there is supposed to be a 169 in both Indiana and Tennessee. (There's also one in Texas.) But obviously there can be more than one "169" as long as they're located in different states.
Well, a long time ago, there was to have been an I-169 leading into downtown Indianapolis, but that got cancelled. And the one in TN has not been signed yet. I would've signed the KY one as I-369, if it were up to me, and it's far enough away from the already-signed I-369 in TX.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on May 25, 2016, 12:40:02 PM
why the hell did he pick 169? this should be an even triple digit interstate!

Why?

Eh, it's no big deal, I just say that because it connects to two interstates, so it's not a spur that doesn't connect at the other end.

That was my first reaction also. What surprises me even more is that it took this long for the idea to turn the Pennyrile to an I-x69 from I-69 to I-24 to come about (unless I missed something). I figured it would happen sooner or later. Either way, it gives Nashville and Evansville an interstate connection.

I-169 is a good choice. The only problem I could see with it is that there is supposed to be a 169 in both Indiana and Tennessee. (There's also one in Texas.) But obviously there can be more than one "169" as long as they're located in different states.
Well, a long time ago, there was to have been an I-169 leading into downtown Indianapolis, but that got cancelled. And the one in TN has not been signed yet. I would've signed the KY one as I-369, if it were up to me, and it's far enough away from the already-signed I-369 in TX.

The proposed I-169 in Indiana I was referring to is the rumored one south of Evansville that will connect I-69 to US 41 (was I-164 and will literally be less than a half mile long).

As far as numbering for the proposed KY I-169 goes, why not make it I-124 instead? There's really no other I-124 anywhere (besides the unsigned one in Chattanooga that basically no one knows about).
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 25, 2016, 03:27:06 PM
My guess is that Evansville I-169 will be totally unsigned, other than "To I-69" and "To US 41."

As for other numbers for the the southern end of the Pennyrile, 369 has long been the suggested number for the Audubon.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on May 25, 2016, 04:08:13 PM
If it's that short in Evansville, does it even need to be an Interstate? :hmmm:
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on May 25, 2016, 05:12:55 PM
If INDOT ever reroutes US 41 around Evansville via I-69 and I-64 then that could be the new route number for that stretch of road. If not, it could be an extension of the Veterans Memorial Parkway. Indiana is always looking for ways to offload any highway and I could see them easily hand that stretch of roadway back to Evansville (if the US 41 idea doesn't work.)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: US 41 on May 25, 2016, 10:59:40 PM
If INDOT ever reroutes US 41 around Evansville via I-69 and I-64 then that could be the new route number for that stretch of road. If not, it could be an extension of the Veterans Memorial Parkway. Indiana is always looking for ways to offload any highway and I could see them easily hand that stretch of roadway back to Evansville (if the US 41 idea doesn't work.)

INDOT has done some crazy unpredictable things within the past year, but I think it is very unlikely that US 41 will be rerouted around Evansville on I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rte66man on May 26, 2016, 07:55:55 AM
Concur.  It'd be fairly easy to put US 460 on the Mountain Parkway.  As for the broader question of what the rationale would be,  there are a number of reasons.  A) that subset of the driving population who more easily navigates via route numbers, B) numbers are easier (usually, maybe not for everyone) to remember than names, C) easier for inventory and database purposes, which is likely why KYTC has hidden route numbers for the parkways already.

I think an even better rationale is that US 460 is not really a major through route west of Salyersville. It's basically a road that serves county seats and local traffic, even though Kentucky's rebuilding it in increments. It's not a key interstate (as opposed to Interstate) link. No one in Salyersville is going to use US 460 to get to the central part of the state.

Since US460 is one of the '400' series, isn't it supposed to be a through route?  Does KYTC see it that way?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on May 26, 2016, 09:02:37 AM
I am actually not sure that US 460 is a 400 series route. It was established in 1934.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 26, 2016, 01:40:30 PM
I am actually not sure that US 460 is a 400 series route. It was established in 1934.

Yes. It's not like US 400 (no parent) or 412 and 425 (no connection to their "parent" routes.) It's a child of US 60 and after its truncation from St. Louis, terminates at its parent at both ends.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: dvferyance on May 27, 2016, 02:01:58 PM
I am actually not sure that US 460 is a 400 series route. It was established in 1934.

Yes. It's not like US 400 (no parent) or 412 and 425 (no connection to their "parent" routes.) It's a child of US 60 and after its truncation from St. Louis, terminates at its parent at both ends.
It used to go to St Louis?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Alex on May 27, 2016, 02:57:58 PM
I am actually not sure that US 460 is a 400 series route. It was established in 1934.

Yes. It's not like US 400 (no parent) or 412 and 425 (no connection to their "parent" routes.) It's a child of US 60 and after its truncation from St. Louis, terminates at its parent at both ends.
It used to go to St Louis?

Yes until 1975. From the St. Louis Roads Facebook Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/369721483111108/):

(https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/12525407_10207176921255346_3287997320073619829_o.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: tdindy88 on May 31, 2016, 05:25:25 AM
I took a trip down to Evanville and Henderson yesterday so I wanted to share a picture from the northern end of I-69, one that I'm sure others have seen but I don't think has been shared here.

(http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y361/thomasj88/IMG_6082_zpsy55fugnx.jpg) (http://s1030.photobucket.com/user/thomasj88/media/IMG_6082_zpsy55fugnx.jpg.html)

So my only question is what is with the exit signage for I-69. I get it that the interstate is technically exiting itself off of US 41 but the signage leading to this exit has all three control points mentioned. Everything was exiting off at this exit even though it is a simple trumpet exit with US 41/KY 425 and the (former) Pennyrile Parkway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on May 31, 2016, 04:05:17 PM
is there really a need for the "left" tab?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: flaroads on May 31, 2016, 08:05:04 PM
I took a trip down to Evanville and Henderson yesterday so I wanted to share a picture from the northern end of I-69, one that I'm sure others have seen but I don't think has been shared here.

(http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y361/thomasj88/IMG_6082_zpsy55fugnx.jpg) (http://s1030.photobucket.com/user/thomasj88/media/IMG_6082_zpsy55fugnx.jpg.html)

So my only question is what is with the exit signage for I-69. I get it that the interstate is technically exiting itself off of US 41 but the signage leading to this exit has all three control points mentioned. Everything was exiting off at this exit even though it is a simple trumpet exit with US 41/KY 425 and the (former) Pennyrile Parkway.

What got me more interested than the left exit tab (which is completely unnecessary) is the exit number for this interchange. Before this portion of the parkway became I-69, this was Exit 76. I took a look at the 2017 Rand and noticed on the Indiana page that for the Kentucky side there are Exit 14 and 15 boxes for KY 351 and U.S. 60, respectively. Further down toward the edge there is an Exit 140 box. On the Kentucky page though neither the Exit 14 or 15 boxes are present, but the 140 box is the last along that portion of I-69.

Though I haven't seen anything yet in my initial research of this, is this renumbering indicative of when (and if) the future I-69 alignment will branch off to the east of Henderson to join the existing sections in Indiana? And if so, will this become another I-x69?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: flaroads on May 31, 2016, 08:45:12 PM
Update: I think I answered one of my questions in my previous post.

The exit tabs that were recently posted in Henderson County seem to reflect the mileage of the Pennyrile Parkway from the county line. I verified using Bing maps that the interchange with KY 425 falls after mile marker 10 (though I measured 10.9 miles from the county line to the off ramp along northbound). Taking it a step further, it measured approximately 13.5 miles to KY 351 and 15.2 miles to U.S. 60, which almost matches the 2017 Rand with the Exit 14 and 15 boxes as shown on the Indiana page.

So now that leads me to more questions:

Why would they number them in this fashion? I ask because I found an article from October 23, 2015 that stated the interchange between I-69 and KY 425 would be renumbered as Exit 148 (not Exit 10[AB]):

http://surfky.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/69424-pennyrile-parkway-exit-numbers-changing-over-to-i-69 (http://surfky.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/69424-pennyrile-parkway-exit-numbers-changing-over-to-i-69)

So are these exit tabs in error or was it decided sometime after that article to just temporarily post the interchanges within Henderson County with exit numbers solely based from the county line northward?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on June 01, 2016, 07:41:18 AM
I think this exit number represents the mileage for US 41 in Henderson County. Why this is posted along mainline I-69 I don't know.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: thefro on June 01, 2016, 12:07:47 PM
I think this exit number represents the mileage for US 41 in Henderson County. Why this is posted along mainline I-69 I don't know.

Remember Exit 10 is the "exit" from US 41 to I-69.  It's exit 148 A/B coming from southbound from I-69 to US 41.

It should make more sense whenever the new terrain section leading to the bridge is built.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: flaroads on June 01, 2016, 05:23:19 PM
I think this exit number represents the mileage for US 41 in Henderson County. Why this is posted along mainline I-69 I don't know.

I thought so at first, but after reviewing one of the EIU's for I-69 discovered otherwise.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 01, 2016, 08:42:27 PM
So have they decided to build a redundant bridge?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 02, 2016, 12:30:18 AM
Cody's right. In Kentucky, mile markers for all routes except Interstates and parkways reset at the county lines, and any freeway portions that have numbered exits reflect the mile marker for that county (see the two Pikeville exits on US 23, and the exit numbers for the US 60 Owensboro bypass). US 41 was rerouted across KY 425 to the Pennyrile when the Pennyrile south of this exit got the I-69 designation. I saw the sign plans before the signs were erected and scratched my head about the "left exit" application here myself.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: flaroads on June 02, 2016, 04:50:57 PM
Quote
US 41 was rerouted across KY 425 to the Pennyrile when the Pennyrile south of this exit got the I-69 designation. I saw the sign plans before the signs were erected and scratched my head about the "left exit" application here myself.

I see it was a recent transition per an article I found this afternoon. Thanks for verifying this for me.

It still seems odd though that they would use Exit 10 for the southbound exit even though U.S. 41 is over 11 miles into the county by that point. Oh well, we have this kind of occurrence in Florida along portions of I-75 throughout the state.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: OracleUsr on June 02, 2016, 09:31:59 PM
Thoughts on this exit:

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: OracleUsr on June 02, 2016, 09:34:44 PM
Thoughts on this interchange signage:

1.  Looks like Kentucky followed its neighbor to the east and started using mixed Clearview, but that's beside the point.
2.  Do I see a double-height tab on the opposite direction of I-69?  Are pull-throughs now left exits?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: froggie on June 03, 2016, 07:51:17 AM
Were there supposed to be graphics with those last two posts?  Because if so, they didn't show up.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on June 20, 2016, 11:54:23 AM
What is the status of the construction of I-69 between I-24 and the Tennesse state line?

Aside from the I-24/I-Interchange, what else needed to be done to bring Purchase Parkway up to interstate standards?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 20, 2016, 01:04:32 PM
What is the status of the construction of I-69 between I-24 and the Tennesse state line?

Aside from the I-24/I-Interchange, what else needed to be done to bring Purchase Parkway up to interstate standards?

There's work ongoing in the Mayfield area. The primary issues are the old toll booth cloverleaf interchanges, and the exit from the Purchase (where it currently exits itself) to the continuation of the US 45 bypass/spur to US 45.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 20, 2016, 04:12:21 PM
Kentucky is lucky their section of Interstate 69 mostly follows pre-existing roads.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rte66man on June 20, 2016, 09:12:51 PM
What is the status of the construction of I-69 between I-24 and the Tennesse state line?

Aside from the I-24/I-Interchange, what else needed to be done to bring Purchase Parkway up to interstate standards?

There's work ongoing in the Mayfield area. The primary issues are the old toll booth cloverleaf interchanges, and the exit from the Purchase (where it currently exits itself) to the continuation of the US 45 bypass/spur to US 45.

As HB mentioned, there are 2 of the old cloverleafs left on this stretch:
at Benton
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7325/27805714435_ea5a883ff2.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jn6yaz)

at Wingo
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7411/27805713115_3eee903ff1.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jn6xLP)

IMO, they are better off addressing the atrocious lack of merging lanes such as this:
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7412/27805713715_b33cec4f16.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jn6xXa)

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on June 20, 2016, 09:57:43 PM


IMO, they are better off addressing the atrocious lack of merging lanes such as this:
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7412/27805713715_b33cec4f16.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jn6xXa)

The ramps at that exit are reportedly being fixed as part of the work as well.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: amroad17 on June 21, 2016, 05:13:06 AM
It does appear in the photo that the cloverleaf issue is being addressed in Benton. 

Is the Exit 21 interchange (where the Purchase exits itself) being totally re-worked or are extra lanes being added in the current configuration? 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on June 21, 2016, 09:14:03 AM
See https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3518.msg2125583.msg#2125583
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 21, 2016, 02:33:36 PM


IMO, they are better off addressing the atrocious lack of merging lanes such as this:
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7412/27805713715_b33cec4f16.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jn6xXa)

The ramps at that exit are reportedly being fixed as part of the work as well.

That's the KY 80 exit at Mayfield and yes, that interchange is being reworked. The bridge was torn down and rebuilt as well.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 22, 2016, 12:42:58 PM
Kentucky is lucky their section of Interstate 69 mostly follows pre-existing roads.

I would say that the expense is uneeded as an exsisting road already is place.  Why spend money on changing the sinage and then having to make upgrades to meet a different standard?  T
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on June 22, 2016, 09:56:28 PM
I think you missed much of this thread:

1. There were several substandard interchanges that included ramps with no decel/accel lanes;
2. Ramps that were designed when the road was tolled;
3. 25 MPH ramps for through movements; and
4. Signage that needed to be updated to reflect Interstate 69 and it's mileage within Kentucky. Otherwise, we'd have Interstate 69 with mileages of three different parkways.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on June 23, 2016, 07:29:09 AM
Besides, those bizarre toll booth interchanges need to be removed, they can be dangerous.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 23, 2016, 01:19:57 PM
Besides, those bizarre toll booth interchanges need to be removed, they can be dangerous.

Not really at low-volume interchanges. Only one of the Bluegrass Parkway interchanges (US 127) has been rebuilt. The KY 52 New Haven/Boston and KY 55 Bloomfield/Springfield exits are still as they always were. I know of no plans to rebuilt them.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 23, 2016, 03:10:49 PM
I think you missed much of this thread:

1. There were several substandard interchanges that included ramps with no decel/accel lanes;
2. Ramps that were designed when the road was tolled;
3. 25 MPH ramps for through movements; and
4. Signage that needed to be updated to reflect Interstate 69 and it's mileage within Kentucky. Otherwise, we'd have Interstate 69 with mileages of three different parkways.

I have been on nearly every mile of the Kentucky Parkway system.  I think I missed some of the Audobon PKWY or whatever it is called now.  Maybe the President Stiver Pkwy or whatever.  At any rate the parkway system is overbuilt for the traffic that it carries. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on June 23, 2016, 04:29:39 PM
-_-

The AADT's of every parkway is comparable to other interstates in Kentucky and in other states. Given that the population density can be far lower in many areas of the state (e.g. Mountain Parkway, Daniel Boone/Hal Rogers Parkway), traffic levels will decline accordingly. That's why some portions of the parkway system, like the Daniel Boone/Hal Rogers and portions of the Mountain Parkway (for now) are two-lanes.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on June 23, 2016, 04:32:55 PM
Those loop-ramp-only interchanges are a really unsafe design for 70 mph through-running traffic - remember, they were designed for an interchange where the mainline traffic, at much lower volumes than today, was coming to a dead stop to pay a toll - and unlike a lot of unsafe freeway ramps in America, there's an opportunity for them to be safely fixed at a relatively low expense.

I have no problem with FHWA telling Kentucky they need to be fixed before they can slap up Interstate shields on the parkways.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 23, 2016, 04:36:03 PM
The only other non-Interstate-conversions I can think of have been done on the Cumberland at US 127 and the WK at KY 259. That does not include the KY 11/Mountain Parkway interchange, where the toll booths were on the bridge over the crossroads and the whole interchange had to be reconstructed to remove the toll booths.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on November 08, 2016, 12:19:18 PM
Some observations from driving I-69 between Henderson and Mayfield recently.

Construction in full swing on interchange with 1-24 at Benton.

Screw up on BGS southbound approaching I-69 split with Pennyrile Parkway. The BGS for Fulton has a "Y" arrow, basically meaning you can go either way at the split. I think they are trying to say either lane works, but that should be (2) arrows pointing to the right, not a "Y"

South of Madisonville, there is a mileage sign for Providence. This makes no sense. Providence isn't anywhere near the road. Southbound motorists who are traveling to Providence would have exited at the 1st Madisonville exit, and taken 41-A over to Providence...about 5 miles north of this sign. At the point of the sign, you would continue south and then west on I-69 to Dawson Springs, then north on a very narrow and curvy state highway for about 20 miles. Completely out of the way. I find it odd that there is mileage signs for off-route places like Providence and Morganfield, but not a one for Evansville, where most of the traffic is headed.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on November 08, 2016, 12:28:11 PM
Screw up on BGS southbound approaching I-69 split with Pennyrile Parkway. The BGS for Fulton has a "Y" arrow, basically meaning you can go either way at the split. I think they are trying to say either lane works, but that should be (2) arrows pointing to the right, not a "Y"

Here are some photos of the signs in question. The first is two miles out and the second is at the split between the parkways and I-69 South.

(http://i.imgur.com/XDIAdQ3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Fd8kDzM.jpg)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on November 08, 2016, 01:59:03 PM
Thanks for the pics.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 08, 2016, 04:19:02 PM
Screw up on BGS southbound approaching I-69 split with Pennyrile Parkway. The BGS for Fulton has a "Y" arrow, basically meaning you can go either way at the split. I think they are trying to say either lane works, but that should be (2) arrows pointing to the right, not a "Y"

Here are some photos of the signs in question. The first is two miles out and the second is at the split between the parkways and I-69 South.

(http://i.imgur.com/XDIAdQ3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Fd8kDzM.jpg)
Is the parkways with I-69 signed just I-69, or I-69 and Parkway? (Example being I-69 consigned with Pennyrile Parkway, or is the Pennyrile signed former?)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on November 08, 2016, 04:53:48 PM
Screw up on BGS southbound approaching I-69 split with Pennyrile Parkway. The BGS for Fulton has a "Y" arrow, basically meaning you can go either way at the split. I think they are trying to say either lane works, but that should be (2) arrows pointing to the right, not a "Y"

Here are some photos of the signs in question. The first is two miles out and the second is at the split between the parkways and I-69 South.

(http://i.imgur.com/XDIAdQ3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Fd8kDzM.jpg)
Is the parkways with I-69 signed just I-69, or I-69 and Parkway? (Example being I-69 consigned with Pennyrile Parkway, or is the Pennyrile signed former?)

pretty sure it's just 69 now.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: amroad17 on November 08, 2016, 07:08:11 PM
Why is there even an APL sign 2 miles from the interchange?  This, as it is shown, can be very misleading to a motorist.  This overhead should only have the left part of the sign on it with no arrows and no sign for I-69.  The second photo of signs is fine the way it is because of the extra lane appearing at the sign.  The 1-mile advance is probably wrong also based on what I can see in the first photo.  Both the 1-mile and 2-mile advance BGS's should only have the EXITS 106B-A info on it to reduce motorist confusion or have a separate BGS for I-69 with the 1-mile advance BGS.

Another thought is to have the APL signs look like the ones at the interchange, having a left-curved arrow, a "Y" arrow underneath the vertical line, and a right-curved arrow.  This would make a lot of sense and, I believe, should reduce motorist confusion.

It would be rather neat if Memphis was listed underneath Fulton.  :D  I know, I-69 probably will not reach Memphis for at least 15-20 years (if we are lucky), however, this is the way to get to Memphis if you live in Evansville, SW Indiana, or western Kentucky.  Why not?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 08, 2016, 10:30:47 PM
Screw up on BGS southbound approaching I-69 split with Pennyrile Parkway. The BGS for Fulton has a "Y" arrow, basically meaning you can go either way at the split. I think they are trying to say either lane works, but that should be (2) arrows pointing to the right, not a "Y"

Here are some photos of the signs in question. The first is two miles out and the second is at the split between the parkways and I-69 South.

(http://i.imgur.com/XDIAdQ3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Fd8kDzM.jpg)
Is the parkways with I-69 signed just I-69, or I-69 and Parkway? (Example being I-69 consigned with Pennyrile Parkway, or is the Pennyrile signed former?)

At one time, the westernmost part of the WK had "North (or South) I-69/Formerly WK Parkway" signs. I didn't drive far enough west on the WK when I was there to see the signage.

No mention of the Pennyrile north of the WK. And the approaches on both parkways have "Parkway Ends 1 Mile" signs.

I have pics on the Millennium Highway Facebook page but haven't gotten them uploaded to Flickr or to my site yet.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on November 09, 2016, 02:02:33 AM
I don't believe that the 2 mile advance sign is confusing. It correctly indicates which lane you need to be in at that point for I-69 and that you can be in either lane for the parkways at that point.

The major problem with stipple signs (other than legibility) is that they were generally based on the gore point; if the roadway picks up lanes or loses lanes between the advance sign and the interchange, the driver has no way of knowing how the lane they're in now corresponds to the stipples - specifically, does the new lane show up on the left or right? This signing approach doesn't require the driver to know that - you get in the appropriate lane now based on the overhead and you're fine, although you can also move over a lane when the new one shows up.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on November 09, 2016, 07:19:55 AM
It would be rather neat if Memphis was listed underneath Fulton.  :D  I know, I-69 probably will not reach Memphis for at least 15-20 years (if we are lucky), however, this is the way to get to Memphis if you live in Evansville, SW Indiana, or western Kentucky.  Why not?

Memphis would still be a logical control city since the Parkway dumps you onto US 51, which also has a control city of Memphis once you get to Tennessee.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 09, 2016, 10:15:05 AM
Screw up on BGS southbound approaching I-69 split with Pennyrile Parkway. The BGS for Fulton has a "Y" arrow, basically meaning you can go either way at the split. I think they are trying to say either lane works, but that should be (2) arrows pointing to the right, not a "Y"

Here are some photos of the signs in question. The first is two miles out and the second is at the split between the parkways and I-69 South.

(http://i.imgur.com/XDIAdQ3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Fd8kDzM.jpg)
Is the parkways with I-69 signed just I-69, or I-69 and Parkway? (Example being I-69 consigned with Pennyrile Parkway, or is the Pennyrile signed former?)
At one time, the westernmost part of the WK had "North (or South) I-69/Formerly WK Parkway" signs. I didn't drive far enough west on the WK when I was there to see the signage.

No mention of the Pennyrile north of the WK. And the approaches on both parkways have "Parkway Ends 1 Mile" signs.

I have pics on the Millennium Highway Facebook page but haven't gotten them uploaded to Flickr or to my site yet.
I've personally kept myself up to date on I-69 in Indiana, as I live right next to the proposed route. I've relied on other sources to keep me updated on other sections. Thanks!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jpi on November 09, 2016, 02:50:05 PM
It looks as if there is room for another control city under "Fulton" maybe in time (15-20 years) Memphis could easily be added.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Mr_Northside on November 09, 2016, 04:03:44 PM
I don't believe that the 2 mile advance sign is confusing. It correctly indicates which lane you need to be in at that point for I-69 and that you can be in either lane for the parkways at that point.

I think the biggest issue with the 2mi advance sign, and it took me a minute or 2 to figure out why I thought there was an issue, is that the vertical dividing line doesn't split the "Y" arrow.  In a sense, it seems one could assume, that *somehow* if you want to use I-69 South, you can veer either left or right in the right lane.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 10, 2016, 08:41:18 PM
Any mention of I-69 along Purchase Parkway and I-24 between Tennessee and I-24's first interchange east of Purchase Parkway (I think it's US 62)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 10, 2016, 10:00:06 PM
I-69 is fully signed along I-24 between the WK and Purchase parkways.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 11, 2016, 08:40:29 AM
I-69 is fully signed along I-24 between the WK and Purchase parkways.
I know, is there any End I-69 shields and any mention of I-69 along Purchase Parkways?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 11, 2016, 07:17:17 PM
I-69 is fully signed along I-24 between the WK and Purchase parkways.
I know, is there any End I-69 shields and any mention of I-69 along Purchase Parkways?

There used to be an "End I-69" sign at the Purchase Parkway/I-24 interchange (westbound on 24) and several "Future I-69 corridor" signs on the Purchase south of Mayfield.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Georgia on November 14, 2016, 05:07:03 PM
I-69 is fully signed along I-24 between the WK and Purchase parkways.
I know, is there any End I-69 shields and any mention of I-69 along Purchase Parkways?

There used to be an "End I-69" sign at the Purchase Parkway/I-24 interchange (westbound on 24) and several "Future I-69 corridor" signs on the Purchase south of Mayfield.

yep, the one on WB 24 is still there as of 2 weeks ago
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 12, 2017, 08:36:47 AM
The reconstruction of the Exit 43 interchange with KY 343 at Benton, KY was opened to traffic on the new ramps last December.  It is now a diamond interchange.

http://www.marshallcountydaily.com/2016/12/12/purchase-pkwyky-348-exit-43-interchange-at-benton-expected-to-open-by-weeks-end/

Final pavement will be laid in the spring.

One step closer.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: edwaleni on January 15, 2017, 07:33:20 PM
The reconstruction of the Exit 43 interchange with KY 343 at Benton, KY was opened to traffic on the new ramps last December.  It is now a diamond interchange.

http://www.marshallcountydaily.com/2016/12/12/purchase-pkwyky-348-exit-43-interchange-at-benton-expected-to-open-by-weeks-end/

Final pavement will be laid in the spring.

One step closer.

Any dates on the same exit type remediation needed at Wingo?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 16, 2017, 09:31:42 AM
The reconstruction of the Exit 43 interchange with KY 343 at Benton, KY was opened to traffic on the new ramps last December.  It is now a diamond interchange.

http://www.marshallcountydaily.com/2016/12/12/purchase-pkwyky-348-exit-43-interchange-at-benton-expected-to-open-by-weeks-end/

Final pavement will be laid in the spring.

One step closer.

Any dates on the same exit type remediation needed at Wingo?

Not sure, I had a REALLY slow day at work and was digging through Google looking for any updates on I-69 in Kentucky and found that article.

Google maps from that interchange is from 2012 both on 69 and KY 339.

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on February 03, 2017, 03:10:44 PM
Anyone know if the Purchase Parkway is officially Interstate 69? If not, is there any upgrades underway?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 03, 2017, 04:04:52 PM
Anyone know if the Purchase Parkway is officially Interstate 69? If not, is there any upgrades underway?

No, it isn't a part of I-69 yet. And yes, there is construction. The I-24 interchange is being rebuilt to provide a high-speed movement to stay on 69, one of the old toll booth interchanges has been rebuilt, and the southern end of the Mayfield bypass (ramp to US 45) is being rebuilt.

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Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: abqtraveler on February 04, 2017, 12:11:21 PM
Anyone know if the Purchase Parkway is officially Interstate 69? If not, is there any upgrades underway?

No, it isn't a part of I-69 yet. And yes, there is construction. The I-24 interchange is being rebuilt to provide a high-speed movement to stay on 69, one of the old toll booth interchanges has been rebuilt, and the southern end of the Mayfield bypass (ramp to US 45) is being rebuilt.



Before I-69 signs can be added to the Purchase Parkway, there's still the last remaining "tollbooth" style interchange at Wingo that needs to be reconstructed, and upgrades to the mainline between Mayfield and Fulton that need to be accomplished (e.g., cable barriers, lengthening merge lanes at interchanges, lowering the roadway below overpasses to increase clearance, etc.).  KYTC lists in its latest 6-Year Road Plan these projects being completed in the 2020-2021 timeframe, which would be around the same time it, along with TDOT, plans to start reconfiguration of the South Fulton interchange to extend I-69 into Tennessee.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on February 06, 2017, 01:13:51 PM
Kentucky U.S. Senator Rand Paul has introduced a proposed amendment, SA 3967, to SA 3896 to House Appropriations Bill H.R. 2777 (https://www.congress.gov/amendment/114th-congress/senate-amendment/3967/text/2162137) that designates the Edward T. Breathitt Parkway from I-24 to I-69 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8771637,-87.6869152,107843m/data=!3m1!1e3) as I-169

I don't know if the legislation has passed (I don't think so), but a state representative is making sure people hear about I-169 (http://www.kentuckynewera.com/news/article_941940d8-e845-11e6-b1e7-23de6f854cee.html):

Quote
After working hard for a few weeks, a representative and senator stopped by Tuesday at the Hopkinsville Rotary Club’s weekly lunch to give them an update on the work they’ve done.
State Rep. Walker Thomas informed the Rotarians his big goal is to make Interstate 169 happen. He explained it doesn’t make sense to not have the best way to Nashville.
Former Mayor Dan Kemp asked how soon this would happen. Westerfield responded saying “someday.” Thomas said he is working to make Congress and the other levels of legislature aware of the project.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2017, 06:23:14 PM
It would be rather neat if Memphis was listed underneath Fulton.  :D  I know, I-69 probably will not reach Memphis for at least 15-20 years (if we are lucky), however, this is the way to get to Memphis if you live in Evansville, SW Indiana, or western Kentucky.  Why not?

Memphis would still be a logical control city since the Parkway dumps you onto US 51, which also has a control city of Memphis once you get to Tennessee.

However, Memphis is in Tennessee and why should the citizens of Kentucky pay for a sign that has a TN city if lieu of a logical KY one.  It isn't like I-65 south out of Nashville TN that has a control city of Huntsville.  There isn't a logical control city for TN unless you want it to read Ardmore TN or perhaps Spring Hill, Columbia or Pulaski.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on February 06, 2017, 07:42:04 PM
It would be rather neat if Memphis was listed underneath Fulton.  :D  I know, I-69 probably will not reach Memphis for at least 15-20 years (if we are lucky), however, this is the way to get to Memphis if you live in Evansville, SW Indiana, or western Kentucky.  Why not?

Memphis would still be a logical control city since the Parkway dumps you onto US 51, which also has a control city of Memphis once you get to Tennessee.

However, Memphis is in Tennessee and why should the citizens of Kentucky pay for a sign that has a TN city if lieu of a logical KY one.  It isn't like I-65 south out of Nashville TN that has a control city of Huntsville.  There isn't a logical control city for TN unless you want it to read Ardmore TN or perhaps Spring Hill, Columbia or Pulaski.

Fulton, KY is about the same size as Ardmore, TN and Ardmore, AL combined, FWIW.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 06, 2017, 09:00:08 PM
It would be rather neat if Memphis was listed underneath Fulton.  :D  I know, I-69 probably will not reach Memphis for at least 15-20 years (if we are lucky), however, this is the way to get to Memphis if you live in Evansville, SW Indiana, or western Kentucky.  Why not?

Memphis would still be a logical control city since the Parkway dumps you onto US 51, which also has a control city of Memphis once you get to Tennessee.

However, Memphis is in Tennessee and why should the citizens of Kentucky pay for a sign that has a TN city if lieu of a logical KY one.  It isn't like I-65 south out of Nashville TN that has a control city of Huntsville.  There isn't a logical control city for TN unless you want it to read Ardmore TN or perhaps Spring Hill, Columbia or Pulaski.

Fulton, KY is about the same size as Ardmore, TN and Ardmore, AL combined, FWIW.

Having never been through Ardmore, I cannot speak to it, but I've been to or through Fulton several times, and it doesn't seem to be as big as it apparently is.

I think it's goofy to have Fulton listed on the Pennyrile Parkway at Henderson or where it intersects the WK. Fulton made sense for the Purchase at I-24, since it's the southern terminus of the Purchase, but even then I doubt if most traffic on the Purchase has Fulton as its ultimate destination. I'd venture to guess that most regional traffic is headed to Mayfield or Murray; more long-range travelers are likely going to Union City, Dyersburg or Memphis.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on February 07, 2017, 11:24:08 PM
It would be rather neat if Memphis was listed underneath Fulton.  :D  I know, I-69 probably will not reach Memphis for at least 15-20 years (if we are lucky), however, this is the way to get to Memphis if you live in Evansville, SW Indiana, or western Kentucky.  Why not?

Memphis would still be a logical control city since the Parkway dumps you onto US 51, which also has a control city of Memphis once you get to Tennessee.

However, Memphis is in Tennessee and why should the citizens of Kentucky pay for a sign that has a TN city if lieu of a logical KY one.  It isn't like I-65 south out of Nashville TN that has a control city of Huntsville.  There isn't a logical control city for TN unless you want it to read Ardmore TN or perhaps Spring Hill, Columbia or Pulaski.

Fulton, KY is about the same size as Ardmore, TN and Ardmore, AL combined, FWIW.

Having never been through Ardmore, I cannot speak to it, but I've been to or through Fulton several times, and it doesn't seem to be as big as it apparently is.

I think it's goofy to have Fulton listed on the Pennyrile Parkway at Henderson or where it intersects the WK. Fulton made sense for the Purchase at I-24, since it's the southern terminus of the Purchase, but even then I doubt if most traffic on the Purchase has Fulton as its ultimate destination. I'd venture to guess that most regional traffic is headed to Mayfield or Murray; more long-range travelers are likely going to Union City, Dyersburg or Memphis.

Kentucky has done a lot of goofy things in regards to signage along I-69.

It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.
It's goofy that mileage is given for places such as Providence and Morganfield, yet never for Evansville or Union City.
It's goofy that no "Temp 69" or "To 69" signs are used along the US 41 stretch in Henderson County.

What kind of logic says a state should only use cities within that state as control cities? That is never a requirement. In Kentucky alone, Cincinnati, Nashville and Knoxville are all used as control cities. I guess they should take Nashville off of I-24 and replace it with Oak Grove.

IMO, Memphis and Evansville should be the control cities for the entire length between the two cities.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 08, 2017, 08:37:52 AM
There is now a "To 69" sign on the overhead on US 41 South after you travel through the strip in Henderson.  I also don't know why there aren't more of those signs, especially in Indiana where I-69 stops at US 41.  To someone that didn't have a GPS or map around and was told to follow I-69 from Southern Indiana through Western KY, when they got to the sign in Evansville that says "I-69 Ends", I could see someone go WTF???  Since I don't consider this a temporary problem, since the bridge is a good 10+ years away, this stretch ought to be signed on how to get from one part of I-69 to another.  Just like the old days.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Buck87 on February 08, 2017, 09:00:38 AM
It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 08, 2017, 10:39:59 AM
I'm going to do some checking to see how long the Purchase/I-24 interchange construction project is going to be ongoing. Might do a road meet down that way if there's any interest.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 08, 2017, 03:32:24 PM
There is now a "To 69" sign on the overhead on US 41 South after you travel through the strip in Henderson.  I also don't know why there aren't more of those signs, especially in Indiana where I-69 stops at US 41.  To someone that didn't have a GPS or map around and was told to follow I-69 from Southern Indiana through Western KY, when they got to the sign in Evansville that says "I-69 Ends", I could see someone go WTF???  Since I don't consider this a temporary problem, since the bridge is a good 10+ years away, this stretch ought to be signed on how to get from one part of I-69 to another.  Just like the old days.

The best option would be to label US-41 between the two sections as "Temporary I-69".   IIRC this was used fairly often between completed stretches of interstates during construction in the 60's.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 08, 2017, 06:40:35 PM
Does anyone see "Temporary I-xx" signs coming back? I certainly don't.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Avalanchez71 on February 08, 2017, 06:53:56 PM
There is now a "To 69" sign on the overhead on US 41 South after you travel through the strip in Henderson.  I also don't know why there aren't more of those signs, especially in Indiana where I-69 stops at US 41.  To someone that didn't have a GPS or map around and was told to follow I-69 from Southern Indiana through Western KY, when they got to the sign in Evansville that says "I-69 Ends", I could see someone go WTF???  Since I don't consider this a temporary problem, since the bridge is a good 10+ years away, this stretch ought to be signed on how to get from one part of I-69 to another.  Just like the old days.

The best option would be to label US-41 between the two sections as "Temporary I-69".   IIRC this was used fairly often between completed stretches of interstates during construction in the 60's.

Ten years, I see the bridge more like twenty years if that out.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on February 08, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
Does anyone see "Temporary I-xx" signs coming back? I certainly don't.

A satisfactory alternative would also be the simplest one: "TO (fill in direction) I-69" trailblazer sign assemblies along US 41 between the ends of the completed/signed I-69 segments.  And put enough of them up to actually be effective! 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 09, 2017, 10:24:11 AM
I traveled the Pennyrile southbound last fall, where I-69 signage begins at what used to be KY 425 (southern bypass of Henderson) but is now US 41. I failed to notice if there are any "End I-69" signs going north on the Pennyrile at that exit.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on February 09, 2017, 11:08:34 PM
It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?

No, where I-69 splits from I-24, Elizabethtown is used as the control city for I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on February 10, 2017, 12:58:02 AM
Which makes perfect sense. You're goofy.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Buck87 on February 10, 2017, 10:00:37 AM
It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?

No, where I-69 splits from I-24, Elizabethtown is used as the control city for I-69.

...which is onto the Western KY Parkway. I'm assuming that exit always had Elizabethtown as the control city, and they left it that way.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 10, 2017, 01:42:06 PM
It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?

No, where I-69 splits from I-24, Elizabethtown is used as the control city for I-69.

...which is onto the Western KY Parkway. I'm assuming that exit always had Elizabethtown as the control city, and they left it that way.

Yes, it's always been Elizabethtown. I can't remember if new signage was installed there, or if the old WK Parkway markers were removed and I-69 markers were posted to replace them.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on February 14, 2017, 08:22:36 AM
Does anyone see "Temporary I-xx" signs coming back? I certainly don't.

A satisfactory alternative would also be the simplest one: "TO (fill in direction) I-69" trailblazer sign assemblies along US 41 between the ends of the completed/signed I-69 segments.  And put enough of them up to actually be effective! 

Louisiana is doing that in the Shreveport area to direct travelers between the disjointed section of I-49: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.4599074,-93.8333101,3a,32.4y,265.19h,87.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svQdcH7Ia_npiBLk7jPLRkw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on February 14, 2017, 05:16:10 PM
It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?

No, where I-69 splits from I-24, Elizabethtown is used as the control city for I-69.

...which is onto the Western KY Parkway. I'm assuming that exit always had Elizabethtown as the control city, and they left it that way.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Evansville added to (or supplanting ) Elizabethtown on the BGS's at the NB I-69/EB I-24 split in the next couple of years, regardless of the progress on an Ohio River bridge -- particularly considering the modifications to the WKY/Breathitt interchange making I-69 the through facility.  The other way?  Fulton will likely remain the control city until some progress is made (!?) on SIU 8 in TN (with Memphis added or substituted as control city at that time). 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on February 15, 2017, 08:57:04 AM
It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?

No, where I-69 splits from I-24, Elizabethtown is used as the control city for I-69.

...which is onto the Western KY Parkway. I'm assuming that exit always had Elizabethtown as the control city, and they left it that way.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Evansville added to (or supplanting ) Elizabethtown on the BGS's at the NB I-69/EB I-24 split in the next couple of years, regardless of the progress on an Ohio River bridge -- particularly considering the modifications to the WKY/Breathitt interchange making I-69 the through facility.  The other way?  Fulton will likely remain the control city until some progress is made (!?) on SIU 8 in TN (with Memphis added or substituted as control city at that time). 

Knowing KYTC, it would be Henderson they use as a control city for NB I-69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on February 15, 2017, 04:42:08 PM
Knowing KYTC, it would be Henderson they use as a control city for NB I-69.

Right -- if they're going to use a tiny burg like Fulton as a SB control city -- ostensibly because it's in-state, then Henderson would, it follows, be the obvious choice for NB 69.  Maybe KYTC will eventually put Evansville on a sign -- on the pull-through to the (future) I-69 Ohio River Bridge, whenever that occurs!   
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 15, 2017, 09:35:43 PM
Well, if this is any indication as to what will happen, this is what the new sign at the end of the Audubon Parkway looks like.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/349/31708329630_1d1eaba502_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QiXtGs)2016 Alabama Meet Trip Day 1 - 112 (https://flic.kr/p/QiXtGs) by H.B. Elkins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/), on Flickr

And you don't get a mention of Evansville until here.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/581/32083841535_5a901ebfdf_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QT95iD)2016 Alabama Meet Trip Day 1 - 120 (https://flic.kr/p/QT95iD) by H.B. Elkins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/), on Flickr
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on February 16, 2017, 06:16:40 PM
Evansville on a single pull-through.  More or less what I guessed would happen.  Let's wait a few years and see if they do the same with the actual I-69 crossing!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 17, 2017, 08:28:07 AM
Let's face it, on that one sign, Kentucky had run out of cities.  There are no KY cities on US 41 north from that point.  Interestingly enough, on I-69 at the intersection with I-64 north of Evansville, the sign shows I -69 South and lists Henderson, KY as one of the destination cities.  Perhaps we should change that just to spite and list Fulton now.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 17, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
What I would suggest is that when the new bridge is built, US 41 to be signed for Henderson and Evansville, and I-69 for Indianapolis.

Let's face it, on that one sign, Kentucky had run out of cities.  There are no KY cities on US 41 north from that point.  Interestingly enough, on I-69 at the intersection with I-64 north of Evansville, the sign shows I -69 South and lists Henderson, KY as one of the destination cities.  Perhaps we should change that just to spite and list Fulton now.

Which is a holdover from the I-164 days.  There isn't even a city posted for I-69 north, even though Indy could and should be posted.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on February 17, 2017, 09:58:08 AM
Sorry to change topic here, but does anyone know if they have started construction on the I-24/Purchase Pkwy interchange in Calvert City? Is it still scheduled to be completed in 2018?

Also, when the above project and the other 2 Purchase parkway interchanges are done, can it be signed as I-69?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 17, 2017, 03:07:00 PM
Sorry to change topic here, but does anyone know if they have started construction on the I-24/Purchase Pkwy interchange in Calvert City? Is it still scheduled to be completed in 2018?

Also, when the above project and the other 2 Purchase parkway interchanges are done, can it be signed as I-69?

Construction has started in the I-69/I-24 interchange.  Google maps has a view of the construction as you move from the Northbound Purchase Parkway to I-24 East/I-69 North:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9891808,-88.3447342,3a,60y,119.29h,78.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj4ofrU6CG-TuqES5rPGzqA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on February 17, 2017, 06:28:53 PM
Sorry to change topic here, but does anyone know if they have started construction on the I-24/Purchase Pkwy interchange in Calvert City? Is it still scheduled to be completed in 2018?

Also, when the above project and the other 2 Purchase parkway interchanges are done, can it be signed as I-69?

Yes, construction is still slated to be finished next year, according to my source (my counterpart in Paducah.)

I'm hoping to schedule a meet later this year to focus on Purchase Parkway construction.

I'm not sure what all will have to be done to get it signed I-69. At a minimum, converting the other toll booth cloverleaf.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on March 29, 2017, 09:51:12 AM
Has anything been done on the Wingo interchange yet?  I know construction has not started.  But have they at least started the paperwork on it?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on May 06, 2017, 11:07:06 AM
Kentucky U.S. Senator Rand Paul has introduced a proposed amendment, SA 3967, to SA 3896 to House Appropriations Bill H.R. 2777 (https://www.congress.gov/amendment/114th-congress/senate-amendment/3967/text/2162137) that designates the Edward T. Breathitt Parkway from I-24 to I-69 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8771637,-87.6869152,107843m/data=!3m1!1e3) as I-169

President Trump signed H.R. 244 into law last night (https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr244/BILLS-115hr244enr.pdf) that designates the Breathitt Parkway between I-24 and !-69 as I-169 (p. 663/708 of pdf):

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SEC. 423. (a) Section 1105(c) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(89) United States Route 67 from Interstate 40 in North Little Rock, Arkansas, to United States Route 412.
‘‘(90) The Edward T. Breathitt Parkway from Interstate 24 to Interstate 69.’’.
(b) Section 1105(e)(5)(A) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended in the first sentence
by striking ‘‘and subsection (c)(83)’’ and inserting ‘‘subsection (c)(83),subsection (c)(89), and subsection (c)(90)’’.
(c) Section 1105(e)(5)(C)(i) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended by adding at the end
the following: ‘‘The route referred to in subsection (c)(89) is designated as Interstate Route I–57. The route referred to in subsection (c)(90) is designated as Interstate Route I–169.’’.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on May 06, 2017, 03:30:16 PM
Looks like there's one remaining former tollbooth-type folded interchange on the southern Breathitt section now designated I-169; otherwise, the facility looks good to go.  At least it's a reasonably logical addition to the network, and provides a fully-designated mostly direct route between Nashville and Evansville.  I'm guessing that actual signage will wait until that singular substandard interchange is addressed. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 07, 2017, 03:19:32 PM
Looks like there's one remaining former tollbooth-type folded interchange on the southern Breathitt section now designated I-169; otherwise, the facility looks good to go.  At least it's a reasonably logical addition to the network, and provides a fully-designated mostly direct route between Nashville and Evansville.  I'm guessing that actual signage will wait until that singular substandard interchange is addressed.

Kentucky will probably put up "Future Interstate 169" signs, and have a big public/press event involving the governor, although it should be noted that while the "Future I-66" signs still remain on the Cumberland Parkway, the "Future I-69 Spur" signs on the Audubon are gone.

There may be some bridges that need to have their height increased (there were two such on the westernmost stretch of the WK that had to be fixed before it was signed as I-69) and possibly some entrance ramps that need to be lengthened (there was at least one on the Pennyrile, and in that case the entire interchange was rebuilt).

I drove that stretch of the Pennyrile (from the WK to that exit with the tollbooth cloverleaf) last fall but don't really remember anything special about it.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on May 07, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
Looks like there's one remaining former tollbooth-type folded interchange on the southern Breathitt section now designated I-169; otherwise, the facility looks good to go.  At least it's a reasonably logical addition to the network, and provides a fully-designated mostly direct route between Nashville and Evansville.  I'm guessing that actual signage will wait until that singular substandard interchange is addressed.

Kentucky will probably put up "Future Interstate 169" signs, and have a big public/press event involving the governor, although it should be noted that while the "Future I-66" signs still remain on the Cumberland Parkway, the "Future I-69 Spur" signs on the Audubon are gone.

There may be some bridges that need to have their height increased (there were two such on the westernmost stretch of the WK that had to be fixed before it was signed as I-69) and possibly some entrance ramps that need to be lengthened (there was at least one on the Pennyrile, and in that case the entire interchange was rebuilt).

I drove that stretch of the Pennyrile (from the WK to that exit with the tollbooth cloverleaf) last fall but don't really remember anything special about it.
Are they not going to convert the Audubon to intestate standards anymore?


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Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on May 07, 2017, 05:11:16 PM
Looks like there's one remaining former tollbooth-type folded interchange on the southern Breathitt section now designated I-169; otherwise, the facility looks good to go.  At least it's a reasonably logical addition to the network, and provides a fully-designated mostly direct route between Nashville and Evansville.  I'm guessing that actual signage will wait until that singular substandard interchange is addressed.

Kentucky will probably put up "Future Interstate 169" signs, and have a big public/press event involving the governor, although it should be noted that while the "Future I-66" signs still remain on the Cumberland Parkway, the "Future I-69 Spur" signs on the Audubon are gone.

There may be some bridges that need to have their height increased (there were two such on the westernmost stretch of the WK that had to be fixed before it was signed as I-69) and possibly some entrance ramps that need to be lengthened (there was at least one on the Pennyrile, and in that case the entire interchange was rebuilt).

I drove that stretch of the Pennyrile (from the WK to that exit with the tollbooth cloverleaf) last fall but don't really remember anything special about it.
Are they not going to convert the Audubon to intestate standards anymore?


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I-369 is still proposed. I-169 is not "Future" too.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on May 07, 2017, 08:59:04 PM
I-369 is still proposed. I-169 is not "Future" too.

I think the point HB was making was that until the substandard features of the southern Pennyrile are addressed, they'll simply post "Future" I-169 signage; full signage won't occur until the segment meets spec.  But of course, political posturing will then have two events at which to display itself:  when the "future" signs are posted, and when the permanent signage is deployed.  Self-congratulation seems to have no bounds regardless of jurisdiction!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on May 08, 2017, 09:01:11 AM
I started an talk on I-169 for all your Interstate 169 in Kentucky needs! https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=20211.0
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: LM117 on May 08, 2017, 09:19:26 AM
Looks like there's one remaining former tollbooth-type folded interchange on the southern Breathitt section now designated I-169; otherwise, the facility looks good to go.  At least it's a reasonably logical addition to the network, and provides a fully-designated mostly direct route between Nashville and Evansville.  I'm guessing that actual signage will wait until that singular substandard interchange is addressed.

Kentucky will probably put up "Future Interstate 169" signs, and have a big public/press event involving the governor, although it should be noted that while the "Future I-66" signs still remain on the Cumberland Parkway, the "Future I-69 Spur" signs on the Audubon are gone.

There may be some bridges that need to have their height increased (there were two such on the westernmost stretch of the WK that had to be fixed before it was signed as I-69) and possibly some entrance ramps that need to be lengthened (there was at least one on the Pennyrile, and in that case the entire interchange was rebuilt).

I drove that stretch of the Pennyrile (from the WK to that exit with the tollbooth cloverleaf) last fall but don't really remember anything special about it.
Are they not going to convert the Audubon to intestate standards anymore?


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Upgrading the Audubon probably isn't as big a priority as upgrading the Pennyrile and Purchase parkways, which would make sense since upgrading the latter two parkways would benefit that whole region while upgrading the Audubon would only benefit Owensboro.

Upgrading the Natcher Parkway into an I-x65 probably isn't a big priority either since, again, it would only benefit Owensboro.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Rover_0 on May 08, 2017, 06:31:07 PM
Looks like there's one remaining former tollbooth-type folded interchange on the southern Breathitt section now designated I-169; otherwise, the facility looks good to go.  At least it's a reasonably logical addition to the network, and provides a fully-designated mostly direct route between Nashville and Evansville.  I'm guessing that actual signage will wait until that singular substandard interchange is addressed.

Kentucky will probably put up "Future Interstate 169" signs, and have a big public/press event involving the governor, although it should be noted that while the "Future I-66" signs still remain on the Cumberland Parkway, the "Future I-69 Spur" signs on the Audubon are gone.

There may be some bridges that need to have their height increased (there were two such on the westernmost stretch of the WK that had to be fixed before it was signed as I-69) and possibly some entrance ramps that need to be lengthened (there was at least one on the Pennyrile, and in that case the entire interchange was rebuilt).

I drove that stretch of the Pennyrile (from the WK to that exit with the tollbooth cloverleaf) last fall but don't really remember anything special about it.

There's still "Future I-66" signs hanging around? KYTC should talk with WVDOT and just replace the designation of I-66 with US 48 already.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on May 08, 2017, 10:38:23 PM
There's still "Future I-66" signs hanging around? KYTC should talk with WVDOT and just replace the designation of I-66 with US 48 already.

US 48?!?!  I seem to recall something in Fictional suggesting that some time ago, but, wow, would that involve one helluva multiplex (or series thereof!).  Getting it from Weston to the east end of the Hal Rogers just to use the number seems to be pushing it a bit.  While the western I-66 may not get anywhere in the foreseeable future, the Cumberland/Nunn (where those signs are posted) could easily be a x65 or even another even 2di between 46 and 58 (lots to choose from, even with 60 & 62 being in-state US routes).  And if you still want a US route, why not US 168?  But now I'm drifting into fictional territory, so I'll just stop here.   
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on May 09, 2017, 09:41:44 AM
Upgrading the Audubon probably isn't as big a priority as upgrading the Pennyrile and Purchase parkways, which would make sense since upgrading the latter two parkways would benefit that whole region while upgrading the Audubon would only benefit Owensboro.

Upgrading the Natcher Parkway into an I-x65 probably isn't a big priority either since, again, it would only benefit Owensboro.

A significant portion of the Audubon was just reconstructed, and the remainder of the original concrete pavement diamond grinded. It has only one substandard interchange in the center and probably standard shoulders.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Brandon on May 09, 2017, 11:31:30 AM
Upgrading the Audubon probably isn't as big a priority as upgrading the Pennyrile and Purchase parkways, which would make sense since upgrading the latter two parkways would benefit that whole region while upgrading the Audubon would only benefit Owensboro.

Upgrading the Natcher Parkway into an I-x65 probably isn't a big priority either since, again, it would only benefit Owensboro.

A significant portion of the Audubon was just reconstructed, and the remainder of the original concrete pavement diamond grinded. It has only one substandard interchange in the center and probably standard shoulders.

Drove it back in 2014.  Not a bad road, but I don't get why Kentucky (and Oklahoma for that matter) put their toll plazas under bridges.  Seems like a stupid place to put them, IMHO.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on May 09, 2017, 12:58:20 PM
I rode and later drove on the Kentucky Parkways for years before the tolls were removed (and the old Kentucky Turnpike for that matter).  Locating those toll plazas under the bridges with cloverleaf ramps was an efficient and inexpensive way to collect tolls for through traffic as well as entering and exiting traffic all in one location.  Those roadways were cash-only and did not have tickets.  They did work well for the traffic that used these facilities.  Traffic volumes were relatively light except for the Kentucky Turnpike  (that toll interchange was gutted and rebuilt in the mid 1980's).  Remember these roadways were designed and constructed  between 45 and 60 years ago.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Brandon on May 09, 2017, 01:05:01 PM
^^ Maybe I'm just seeing them from a NE Illinois perspective, where we had a similar system (pre-I-Pass) with barriers every-so-often.  ISTHC (later ISTHA) put the barriers between interchanges, except for the two on the western East-West Tollway.  Those were placed between the ramps at a couple of trumpet interchanges.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: lordsutch on May 09, 2017, 01:17:23 PM
Drove it back in 2014.  Not a bad road, but I don't get why Kentucky (and Oklahoma for that matter) put their toll plazas under bridges.  Seems like a stupid place to put them, IMHO.

As RoadWarrior56 pointed out, it facilitated tolling both through and ramp traffic at the same location with fewer toll collectors, while (key point) still allowing a discount for entering/exiting traffic. Hence Kentucky didn't need to have ramp tolls, a ticket system, or twice as many barrier tolls, saving substantially on costs - which is probably one of the reasons Kentucky was able to pay off its bonds on most of the parkways (until Hal Rogers swooped in and got the feds to pay off the rest).

It also made it easier for toll collectors to get to/from work, although that's a relatively minor side-benefit.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on May 09, 2017, 02:39:56 PM
The Kentucky toll interchanges were primarily located at every other interchange, with a few exceptions that had toll booths on the ramps themselves.  Interchanges were often spaced up to 20 or more miles apart, so it didn't take that many toll interchanges to cover even a long parkway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 09, 2017, 02:41:00 PM
But now I'm drifting into fictional territory, so I'll just stop here.

Not necessarily. There's money allocated for preliminary design work to turn the Hal Rogers Parkway into an interstate-grade freeway in the current Kentucky road plan.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on May 09, 2017, 02:43:48 PM
I thought the Kentucky Turnpike was a ticket system?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on May 09, 2017, 02:54:21 PM
Kentucky Turnpike had a through toll barrier at the south end of Elizabethtown with a 10 cent toll, and a cloverleaf interchange with the toll booths under the bridge at Shepardsville, that charged 50 cents.  This was the prototype for the Parkway System that followed in the next decade.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on May 09, 2017, 03:59:13 PM
But now I'm drifting into fictional territory, so I'll just stop here.

Not necessarily. There's money allocated for preliminary design work to turn the Hal Rogers Parkway into an interstate-grade freeway in the current Kentucky road plan.

That's interesting to note.  Would have thought that KY DOT would have prioritized the connection between Somerset and London before tackling anything east of there on the Rogers.  I guess the I-66 concept (in whatever guise it's assuming presently) lives on in more than just spirit in KY! 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on May 09, 2017, 07:32:40 PM
But now I'm drifting into fictional territory, so I'll just stop here.

Not necessarily. There's money allocated for preliminary design work to turn the Hal Rogers Parkway into an interstate-grade freeway in the current Kentucky road plan.

That's interesting to note.  Would have thought that KY DOT would have prioritized the connection between Somerset and London before tackling anything east of there on the Rogers.  I guess the I-66 concept (in whatever guise it's assuming presently) lives on in more than just spirit in KY! 

I believe that there are also plans to complete the Somerset bypass and improve KY 80 to London as well.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on May 10, 2017, 06:48:10 AM
The segment between Somerset and London won't be completed any time soon. Besides environmental concerns (building on a new alignment through the Daniel Boone NF), it's cost prohibitive. Considering the existing two-lane route with climbing lanes is more than adequate, I don't see Hal Roger's pet project being fully funded.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 10, 2017, 11:58:57 AM
The segment between Somerset and London won't be completed any time soon. Besides environmental concerns (building on a new alignment through the Daniel Boone NF), it's cost prohibitive. Considering the existing two-lane route with climbing lanes is more than adequate, I don't see Hal Roger's pet project being fully funded.

The excavation required in Perry and Leslie counties to four-lane the existing Hal Rogers Parkway is also going to be very costly. And, there have been several at-grade intersections added in Leslie, Clay and Laurel counties since the tolls were removed, which will be expensive to rectify.

The study to convert the Hal Rogers Parkway to an interstate appeared very abruptly in the highway plan passed by the legislature last year. I'm not sure who got it added, but some influential senators (Albert Robinson, Brandon Smith and Senate President Robert Stivers) have the route pass through their districts.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Rover_0 on May 17, 2017, 12:53:51 PM
There's still "Future I-66" signs hanging around? KYTC should talk with WVDOT and just replace the designation of I-66 with US 48 already.

US 48?!?!  I seem to recall something in Fictional suggesting that some time ago, but, wow, would that involve one helluva multiplex (or series thereof!).  Getting it from Weston to the east end of the Hal Rogers just to use the number seems to be pushing it a bit.  While the western I-66 may not get anywhere in the foreseeable future, the Cumberland/Nunn (where those signs are posted) could easily be a x65 or even another even 2di between 46 and 58 (lots to choose from, even with 60 & 62 being in-state US routes).  And if you still want a US route, why not US 168?  But now I'm drifting into fictional territory, so I'll just stop here.   

But now I'm drifting into fictional territory, so I'll just stop here.

Not necessarily. There's money allocated for preliminary design work to turn the Hal Rogers Parkway into an interstate-grade freeway in the current Kentucky road plan.

It's not anymore outlandish than the current I-66 plan IMO. (How would I-66 west of I-81 get connected to the current I-66?) Plus, no need to get everything built up to Interstate standards. Again, this part of the conversation is drifting into fictional territory, but I feel that an extended US-48 designation is a more reasonable solution than I-66. I do apologize if this part of the conversation is drifting into fictional highway territory.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on May 17, 2017, 06:00:47 PM
It's not anymore outlandish than the current I-66 plan IMO. (How would I-66 west of I-81 get connected to the current I-66?) Plus, no need to get everything built up to Interstate standards. Again, this part of the conversation is drifting into fictional territory, but I feel that an extended US-48 designation is a more reasonable solution than I-66. I do apologize if this part of the conversation is drifting into fictional highway territory.

A westerly extended US 48 isn't outlandish per se, but just would involve miles and miles of multiplex -- which sort of defeats the whole concept.  Yes, the I-66 concept would necessarily involve major upgrades and a US 48 would not, but -- and maybe it's just me -- 100+ miles of new multiplex along mostly US 119 and/or I-79 (and through the Charleston metro area to boot) seems gratuitous.  Just pick a new designation for the KY parkway continuum and be done with it -- an Interstate number if it's planned to actually build out the parkways to I-standards, and a US number if it isn't. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 17, 2017, 11:25:51 PM
The only independently-signed portion of US 48 as it is now planned will be between Bismarck (Mt. Storm Lake) and Moorefield. Everything else will be co-signed with US 33, US 119, US 250, WV 92, US 219, WV 93, WV 55, WV 259 and VA 55.

If you want to put US 48 on the Kentucky parkways, best way to do it is run it concurrently with I-79 and US 19 to Beckley, then replace US 121 with US 48 for the Coalfields Expressway, then co-sign it with US 460 to Watergap, then have it replace KY 80, the Hal Rogers Parkway and the Cumberland Parkway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on May 18, 2017, 12:58:37 AM
The only independently-signed portion of US 48 as it is now planned will be between Bismarck (Mt. Storm Lake) and Moorefield. Everything else will be co-signed with US 33, US 119, US 250, WV 92, US 219, WV 93, WV 55, WV 259 and VA 55.

If you want to put US 48 on the Kentucky parkways, best way to do it is run it concurrently with I-79 and US 19 to Beckley, then replace US 121 with US 48 for the Coalfields Expressway, then co-sign it with US 460 to Watergap, then have it replace KY 80, the Hal Rogers Parkway and the Cumberland Parkway.

Actually, that's the only idea regarding extending US 48 into KY that makes real sense.  "US 121" was a bit of a stretch, seeing that US 21 truncates well south of there.  Don't much care for the long multiplex with US 19, but it's at least better than dragging it through a series of gratuitous alignment changes via Charleston.  And it keeps it on another nascent parkway (Coalfields) -- sort of a "benchmark" for the 48 designation.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on May 18, 2017, 06:37:05 AM
The idea of extending US 48 into Kentucky moves this thread into Fictional Roads territory.  Almost all if not all Kentucky Parkways parallel a US or State highway.  All they would have to do is move that designation over to the parallel parkway for the same effect.  After many decades since these parkways were originally constructed, KYTC has not done that.  They prefer to keep them as independent routes.  However, I suspect that there will be an ongoing effort to convert many of these Parkways to Interstate highways (at least the ones that make sense to convert), as money is available to fix interchanges, etc. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on May 18, 2017, 08:55:42 AM
US 121 is a nod to US 21's original routing in West Virginia. It's an oddity.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on May 18, 2017, 11:24:46 AM
US 121 is a nod to US 21's original routing in West Virginia. It's an oddity.

It would have been better served as an x23, x52 or x60, given the routes that it will intersect (US 23, US 52 and US 460.) Maybe even an x19 by running it south on the turnpike, east on I-64 and north on the East Beckley Bypass which will connect to US 19.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on June 02, 2017, 10:19:53 AM
I found this document on the KTC's I-69 webpage.  It is the "Recommendations" part of what I think was their final corridor study:
http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Fulton%20to%20Eddyville%20Section%20-%209_RECOMMENDATIONS_AND_NEXT_STEPS.pdf
On page 9-3, the report recommended that Kentucky seek design variances for interchange spaces for Exits 0, 1, and 3 around Fulton.  It also stated that there would need to be coordination between Kentucky and Tennessee regarding the Exit 0 Weigh Station Interchange along with addressing other undefined deficiencies for the I-69 connectivity across state lines.  This is what I was alluding to in my earlier posts.
TDOT and KYTC conducted a December 3, 2015 Public Meeting regarding an I-69 state ine connection that has been recently discussed in the I-69 in TN thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2146133#msg2146133).
I recently emailed TDOT with some questions about the various projects ....
Then, there is complicated coordination with Kentucky about the state line section:
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Q: Then, it seems like the state line section would be next, if ready. Have TDOT and KYTC chosen the corridor yet?
A: The state line section will depend on when it is ready.  At this time it depends on when Kentucky will complete their environmental document and the Bi-State agreement between states on the scope of work.
(above quote from I-69 in TN (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2230014#msg2230014) thread)

This TV video (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/35570414/proposed-route-for-i-69-puts-properties-at-risk-in-fulton-kentucky) provides an update from the Kentucky side of the state line; unfortunately, construction is not scheduled to begin before 2024:

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A project to extend the I-69 corridor from Kentucky to Tennessee puts some properties at risk in a local community.
Transportation departments in both states have considered a number of routes for the corridor. Kentucky crews are starting to perform survey work on the one that looks most promising ....
State highway plans show that the design of the specific route wouldn't be complete for another two years ....
The state highway plan shows construction wouldn't begin before 2024.
The cabinet estimates the project to be $20 million.

Here is a snip of a map of the "promising" route mentioned in the video:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_02_06_17_10_15_54.png)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: I-39 on June 02, 2017, 12:47:06 PM
I found this document on the KTC's I-69 webpage.  It is the "Recommendations" part of what I think was their final corridor study:
http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/I-69%20Fulton%20to%20Eddyville%20Section%20-%209_RECOMMENDATIONS_AND_NEXT_STEPS.pdf
On page 9-3, the report recommended that Kentucky seek design variances for interchange spaces for Exits 0, 1, and 3 around Fulton.  It also stated that there would need to be coordination between Kentucky and Tennessee regarding the Exit 0 Weigh Station Interchange along with addressing other undefined deficiencies for the I-69 connectivity across state lines.  This is what I was alluding to in my earlier posts.
TDOT and KYTC conducted a December 3, 2015 Public Meeting regarding an I-69 state ine connection that has been recently discussed in the I-69 in TN thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2146133#msg2146133).
I recently emailed TDOT with some questions about the various projects ....
Then, there is complicated coordination with Kentucky about the state line section:
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Q: Then, it seems like the state line section would be next, if ready. Have TDOT and KYTC chosen the corridor yet?
A: The state line section will depend on when it is ready.  At this time it depends on when Kentucky will complete their environmental document and the Bi-State agreement between states on the scope of work.
(above quote from I-69 in TN (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2230014#msg2230014) thread)

This TV video (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/35570414/proposed-route-for-i-69-puts-properties-at-risk-in-fulton-kentucky) provides an update from the Kentucky side of the state line; unfortunately, construction is not scheduled to begin before 2024:

Quote
A project to extend the I-69 corridor from Kentucky to Tennessee puts some properties at risk in a local community.
Transportation departments in both states have considered a number of routes for the corridor. Kentucky crews are starting to perform survey work on the one that looks most promising ....
State highway plans show that the design of the specific route wouldn't be complete for another two years ....
The state highway plan shows construction wouldn't begin before 2024.
The cabinet estimates the project to be $20 million.

Here is a snip of a map of the "promising" route mentioned in the video:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_02_06_17_10_15_54.png)

Man, how do you find all these articles? You are very resourceful. Well done!  :clap:

Anyway, that's too bad construction won't start before 2024. But I can't really tell where it is going to go from the map.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on June 02, 2017, 04:12:00 PM
Here is a snip of a map of the "promising" route mentioned in the video:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_02_06_17_10_15_54.png)

Man, how do you find all these articles? You are very resourceful. Well done!  :clap:

Anyway, that's too bad construction won't start before 2024. But I can't really tell where it is going to go from the map.

It looks like the blue lines on the map indicate the outer limits of the alignment under most serious consideration; it shows only the privately held property to be potentially acquired; the spaces between the lines and the facility to which the new alignment will be connected are likely already part of the present facility's easement.  This is S.O.P. for most preliminary plans regardless of jurisdiction.  Here it looks like a relatively high-speed connector is being planned; the blue lines on the outside of the diagonal (US 51) facility at the southwest corner of the map indicate other ancillary property to be acquired for the expansion of the interchange itself, including any auxiliary lanes for approaches and ramps.

P.S.: the long blue crossing line is likely a long overpass including anchorages.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mgk920 on June 02, 2017, 10:20:25 PM
^^

I am very impressed by that option's simplicity!

 :thumbsup:

The only thing that I would add to this (if it isn't in there already) is that I would deep-six that half interchange with KY 214 (old US 51) that is just off of the image to the southwest, rerouting the road to restore the surface connection to what is shown as US 45E northeastward to State Line St.  I would then have the KY 215 bypass to the south and southeast end at a 'T' intersection or roundabout with this 'restored' KY 214.

BTW, that east-west proposed road in that diamond interchange on the state line would replace an existing local road on that grade.

Mike
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: roadman65 on June 23, 2017, 12:43:33 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0733061,-88.0827821,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s7UnSmvrnTyR-wEnRXhuF5A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D7UnSmvrnTyR-wEnRXhuF5A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D345.03003%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

I see that  signs along the I-69 and Western KY Parkway overlap don't show the Parkway sharing pavement from the Penryville to I-24.  I am guessing too that Purchase Parkway signage also ends here and just I-69 is signed solo behind the camera.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 23, 2017, 03:21:46 PM
There was "Formerly Western Kentucky Parkway" signage when that road was first signed as I-69, but some of that signage has been removed. There is no "Formerly Pennyrile Parkway" signage on the route north of the WK, although some Pennyrile signage remains on parallel and intersecting roads.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 23, 2017, 04:21:18 PM
Isn't the entire 137-mile roadway still considered the Western Kentucky Parkway, even though it is partially part of Interstate 69? Ditto with the segment of the Pennyrile Parkway that is part of 69.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on June 24, 2017, 12:41:57 AM
Isn't the entire 137-mile roadway still considered the Western Kentucky Parkway, even though it is partially part of Interstate 69? Ditto with the segment of the Pennyrile Parkway that is part of 69.

Not by KYTC. Even though the WK kept its exit numbers east of the spot where I-69 turns to the north, it's now recognized as I-69 only.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 31, 2017, 12:09:44 PM
Found the below from earlier this month:

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2017/10/06/part-future-interstate-2469-interchange-now-open/

Part of future Interstate 24/69 interchange now open

MARSHALL COUNTY, KY- Part of what will be the new interchange between Interstate 24 and future I-69 is now open to traffic.

The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet began shifting northbound traffic on the Purchase Parkway to what will eventually be the alignment for Interstate 69. The change began early Friday afternoon.

Now, Northbound traffic on the Purchase Parkway will be automatically transitioned to the eastbound lanes of I-24. That will eventually take you to Nashville, Tennessee.

Crews also opened “Ramp A,” which will take traffic back to the end of the Parkway where drivers can either go to Calvert City or take the old exit to I-24 westbound. You will need to take that if you want to head to Paducah. You will also need to it to get to Calvert City.

An agency spokesman says there is still a significant amount of work to do before they can open other portions of the new interchange. Some ramps within the construction zone are still closed.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: coolkevs on November 27, 2017, 02:30:02 PM
On the way to and from my parent's place in Tennessee this Thanksgiving weekend, I noticed that I-69 was labeled on both sides of the KY-348 exit at Benton. Each sign had a normal sized North and South designation with a disproportionately small I-69 shield.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 27, 2017, 02:52:46 PM
On the way to and from my parent's place in Tennessee this Thanksgiving weekend, I noticed that I-69 was labeled on both sides of the KY-348 exit at Benton. Each sign had a normal sized North and South designation with a disproportionately small I-69 shield.

Saw that during the western Kentucky meet that I hosted a few weeks ago. That wasn't there back in July when I scouted the meet. My guess is that it was installed as part of the reconstruction of the KY 348 interchange from a toll booth cloverleaf to a diamond, which was part of the I-69 conversion.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 27, 2017, 03:48:38 PM
On the way to and from my parent's place in Tennessee this Thanksgiving weekend, I noticed that I-69 was labeled on both sides of the KY-348 exit at Benton. Each sign had a normal sized North and South designation with a disproportionately small I-69 shield.

Saw that during the western Kentucky meet that I hosted a few weeks ago. That wasn't there back in July when I scouted the meet. My guess is that it was installed as part of the reconstruction of the KY 348 interchange from a toll booth cloverleaf to a diamond, which was part of the I-69 conversion.

Just to clarify, I-69 North and South was marked on KY 348, not on the Purchase Parkway itself, correct?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on November 27, 2017, 09:25:30 PM
When is the Purchase Parkway I-69 project supposed to be completed? I see that the Calvert City interchange will be completed by next July, but I can't find anything on the Purchase Parkway projects.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 27, 2017, 10:00:16 PM
When is the Purchase Parkway I-69 project supposed to be completed? I see that the Calvert City interchange will be completed by next July, but I can't find anything on the Purchase Parkway projects.

This report states I-69 will be complete and signed to Wingo, as of next July.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2017/11/22/69-progress-make-better-2018-holiday-travels/
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on November 27, 2017, 10:04:31 PM
When is the Purchase Parkway I-69 project supposed to be completed? I see that the Calvert City interchange will be completed by next July, but I can't find anything on the Purchase Parkway projects.

This report states I-69 will be complete and signed to Wingo, as of next July.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2017/11/22/69-progress-make-better-2018-holiday-travels/
So it will be interstate standard up to that old toll-booth cloverleaf in Wingo?

Has the KY-80 interchange already been finished?


iPhone
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 27, 2017, 10:09:06 PM
When is the Purchase Parkway I-69 project supposed to be completed? I see that the Calvert City interchange will be completed by next July, but I can't find anything on the Purchase Parkway projects.

This report states I-69 will be complete and signed to Wingo, as of next July.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2017/11/22/69-progress-make-better-2018-holiday-travels/
So it will be interstate standard up to that old toll-booth cloverleaf in Wingo?

Has the KY-80 interchange already been finished?


iPhone

Unfortunately you know as much as I do.  I googled “I-69 Wingo” to see if I could find out if construction had started on it yet or not.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on November 27, 2017, 10:10:47 PM
what more needs to be done from wingo to the state line?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on November 27, 2017, 10:17:31 PM
When is the Purchase Parkway I-69 project supposed to be completed? I see that the Calvert City interchange will be completed by next July, but I can't find anything on the Purchase Parkway projects.

This report states I-69 will be complete and signed to Wingo, as of next July.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2017/11/22/69-progress-make-better-2018-holiday-travels/
So it will be interstate standard up to that old toll-booth cloverleaf in Wingo?

Has the KY-80 interchange already been finished?

Unfortunately you know as much as I do.  I googled “I-69 Wingo” to see if I could find out if construction had started on it yet or not.

It looks like the KY-80 work was done last year. Not sure when it was completed.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on November 28, 2017, 12:48:30 AM
When is the Purchase Parkway I-69 project supposed to be completed? I see that the Calvert City interchange will be completed by next July, but I can't find anything on the Purchase Parkway projects.

This report states I-69 will be complete and signed to Wingo, as of next July.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2017/11/22/69-progress-make-better-2018-holiday-travels/

For the time being, it makes sense to just sign it NE of Wingo, since the Fulton bypass concept has yet to be finalized; when joint plans (w/TN) for the portion crossing the state line are in place and let, then sign the remainder of the route down to Fulton, provided the Wingo "bowtie" has been dealt with by that time. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 28, 2017, 01:38:25 AM
When is the Purchase Parkway I-69 project supposed to be completed? I see that the Calvert City interchange will be completed by next July, but I can't find anything on the Purchase Parkway projects.

This report states I-69 will be complete and signed to Wingo, as of next July.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2017/11/22/69-progress-make-better-2018-holiday-travels/

Looks like somebody jumped the gun and added it to OSM already, and then all the way down to TN......
(OSM changeset (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/51372909))
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: NE2 on November 28, 2017, 02:20:44 AM
Looks like somebody jumped the gun and added it to OSM already, and then all the way down to TN......
(OSM changeset (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/51372909))
Ugh. That guy's still pooing all over the map?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 28, 2017, 09:32:43 AM
When is the Purchase Parkway I-69 project supposed to be completed? I see that the Calvert City interchange will be completed by next July, but I can't find anything on the Purchase Parkway projects.

This report states I-69 will be complete and signed to Wingo, as of next July.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2017/11/22/69-progress-make-better-2018-holiday-travels/

For the time being, it makes sense to just sign it NE of Wingo, since the Fulton bypass concept has yet to be finalized; when joint plans (w/TN) for the portion crossing the state line are in place and let, then sign the remainder of the route down to Fulton, provided the Wingo "bowtie" has been dealt with by that time.

Looking at the map, the next two interchanges are in Fulton, and both seem to have substandard ramps.

So, I am guessing that after current construction is done and 69 is signed to Wingo, they will then fix the bowtie in Wingo and then fix the ramps in Fulton as part of the whole bypass project.

By that time I-69 in Tennessee might be done as far as I-155.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on November 28, 2017, 10:20:26 AM
On the way to and from my parent's place in Tennessee this Thanksgiving weekend, I noticed that I-69 was labeled on both sides of the KY-348 exit at Benton. Each sign had a normal sized North and South designation with a disproportionately small I-69 shield.

Saw that during the western Kentucky meet that I hosted a few weeks ago. That wasn't there back in July when I scouted the meet. My guess is that it was installed as part of the reconstruction of the KY 348 interchange from a toll booth cloverleaf to a diamond, which was part of the I-69 conversion.

Just to clarify, I-69 North and South was marked on KY 348, not on the Purchase Parkway itself, correct?

I saw a "South I-69" sign on the parkway itself, just past the interchange.

what more needs to be done from wingo to the state line?

They're making good progress on the southern end of the US 45 bypass interchange (where you had to exit the mainline on a single-lane ramp to remain on the Purchase Parkway) and they keep opening ramps. AFAIK the only thing remaining between Mayfield and Fulton will be converting the old toll booth cloverleaf at the KY 339 interchange. I'm not sure how much work would need to be done on the Kentucky interchanges in Fulton, or if there are any bridges with height issues.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: coolkevs on November 28, 2017, 03:11:01 PM
On the way to and from my parent's place in Tennessee this Thanksgiving weekend, I noticed that I-69 was labeled on both sides of the KY-348 exit at Benton. Each sign had a normal sized North and South designation with a disproportionately small I-69 shield.

Saw that during the western Kentucky meet that I hosted a few weeks ago. That wasn't there back in July when I scouted the meet. My guess is that it was installed as part of the reconstruction of the KY 348 interchange from a toll booth cloverleaf to a diamond, which was part of the I-69 conversion.

Just to clarify, I-69 North and South was marked on KY 348, not on the Purchase Parkway itself, correct?

I saw a "South I-69" sign on the parkway itself, just past the interchange.

I saw both North and South I-69 signs on the parkway.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 29, 2017, 02:57:22 PM
On the way to and from my parent's place in Tennessee this Thanksgiving weekend, I noticed that I-69 was labeled on both sides of the KY-348 exit at Benton. Each sign had a normal sized North and South designation with a disproportionately small I-69 shield.

Saw that during the western Kentucky meet that I hosted a few weeks ago. That wasn't there back in July when I scouted the meet. My guess is that it was installed as part of the reconstruction of the KY 348 interchange from a toll booth cloverleaf to a diamond, which was part of the I-69 conversion.

Just to clarify, I-69 North and South was marked on KY 348, not on the Purchase Parkway itself, correct?

I saw a "South I-69" sign on the parkway itself, just past the interchange.

what more needs to be done from wingo to the state line?

They're making good progress on the southern end of the US 45 bypass interchange (where you had to exit the mainline on a single-lane ramp to remain on the Purchase Parkway) and they keep opening ramps. AFAIK the only thing remaining between Mayfield and Fulton will be converting the old toll booth cloverleaf at the KY 339 interchange. I'm not sure how much work would need to be done on the Kentucky interchanges in Fulton, or if there are any bridges with height issues.

Would erecting the I-69 signs be part of the interchange projects?  I thought that the signing of I-69 was going to be a separate project like it was on the Pennyrile.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 26, 2018, 02:26:40 PM
The below was in the 2018 Kentucky Transportation Plan posted on the Kentucky Thread:

Improve the Purchase Parkway from Tennessee to Cardinal Road near Mayfield - including the SR 339 interchange in Wingo, as part of the I-69 project (P 2023-24).

The "P" at the end means they are acquiring right of way.


I should add that I am disappointed that they are going to wait until 2023 to remove the bowtie interchange at Wingo.  Fixing that is low hanging fruit compared to the rest of the I-69 project.  I would have thought they would have done that part along with the rest of the upgrades going North to the I-24 interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Life in Paradise on January 28, 2018, 08:49:54 PM
Just came up from the Murray, KY area yesterday, and saw that  for the most part, I-69 is not signed on the Purchase Parkway, but I did see an I-69 sign after I passed the revamped exit in Benton, KY.  Must have been part of the construction to put that sign there.  I can see it marked next year, since the I-24, I-69, Purchase Parkway interchange is well into its changeover.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on June 26, 2018, 05:51:17 PM
The Calvert City Purchase Parkway project will be completed by July 1 according to this article: http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2018/06/17/update-i-69-interchange-almost-done-finishing-touches-to-be-made/
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 01, 2018, 12:01:57 PM
New roadside BGSs went in this past week at the I-69/WKP/Pennyrile interchange directing travelers to I-24 and Paducah once again.  The one for SB I-69 traffic (the one I pass most frequently) reads "To I-24 West - Paducah - Follow I-69 South."

I'll see if I can get a pic Monday.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on July 01, 2018, 04:30:39 PM
New roadside BGSs went in this past week at the I-69/WKP/Pennyrile interchange directing travelers to I-24 and Paducah once again.  The one for SB I-69 traffic (the one I pass most frequently) reads "To I-24 West - Paducah - Follow I-69 South."

I'll see if I can get a pic Monday.

There was one on the westbound WK east of the interchange last fall.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 04, 2018, 11:44:59 PM
It got replaced as part of this project too.  The new WB sign reads "Madisonville/Exit 38C" over "To I-24 West/Paducah/Exit 38A."

This is the southbound sign.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kqCFt7V0E1E4NF6Ovw1BPh2ManQ3SjkrS3veGIuNKY3lSsnOcVbipQXidc5yeE4uYQSjBw2fJzBBQelqXc0w5uXlmoUrzVq0Xr6tUHQlaR8Pj7fcS1pQjJWl0ieyz0V3RGcblzIAiJ8EI9CPbsonc07sCylNcjr6vtmW4Zcr9Wl7TwBtdMLUmzDPBU0HlrQGIg9tP9b7crIbpwsEaCztR9K9XhHy8w87AtLDky7P-BDDQ-do3aZRRjvI7Ut4niKREWihoBDqHf0mKWn0GDxr2vNgW9QJo0SUibF3fJoIKBfrTznbKBwknYlqCQedX50CPh6Ef58ily_zOlth_9-ZQaXBN0MnfXu-GoDbHGcnpggdQZIau1B_FPy3rzGvSe1q4uxlHIPtfqk3F0jJf-o3lHVlEDbM5OmVbNOZwOomtUVzPYar3D4ST6H3vcuZxJNpKO3TD9vmDSHAfPzoE8wdRSuZtTwV46wXO88sbT4TLM4vX8oKZEPUMdciD3jjc01LhTVBEZGRIB9T_bJwniW4B1kyVBV6-WQuKX01wGWEzehluAYhi_8LuL54ZkcwllUJbd2GZMj0WovGXEgEMnQ0aseBhUz_Dt8dewYq0aYk=w582-h436-no)

Edits: (1) Corrected the Paducah exit number and (2) added the photo.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on July 06, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
Photo is not showing up.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Grzrd on July 06, 2018, 10:26:01 AM
The Calvert City Purchase Parkway project will be completed by July 1 according to this article: http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2018/06/17/update-i-69-interchange-almost-done-finishing-touches-to-be-made/

This article (http://wkms.org/post/completion-interchange-projects-adds-30-miles-interstate-69-kentucky) reports that the Calvert City interchange is complete, the US 45 Bypass interchange in Mayfield is complete, and I-69 signs have started going up on the 31 miles between the two interchanges:

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Interstate 69 in Kentucky now has an extra 31 miles following the completion of two major interchange projects.
I-69 will replace the Julian Carroll-Purchase Parkway from the I-24 Exit 25 Interchange at Calvert City, extending southward through Mayfield to the 20 mile marker. The designation is expected to become official following a Federal Highway Administration inspection of the projects later this month.

Governor Matt Bevin announced in 2016 that Jim Smith Contracting of Grand Rivers had been awarded a contract for reconstruction of the Interstate 24 and Julian Carroll-Purchase Parkway Interchange near Calvert City in Marshall County.
He was also the contractor for the U.S. 45-Bypass and Purchase Parkway Exit 21 Interchange southwest of Mayfield in Graves County.I-69 signs are now visible along the section of the Purchase Parkway connecting the two projects.
Kentucky Transportation Cabinet District One Chief Engineer Mike McGregor said the agency is now turning attention to completing upgrades along the remaining 20 miles of the parkway. He said they have started design work for upgrades to the Kentucky 339 Exit 14 Wingo Interchange and upgrades that will extend I-69 southward toward the Kentucky-Tennessee state line.
The final section of I-69 awaiting completion is the new Ohio River Bridge between Henderson, Kentucky, and Evansville, Indiana. A Draft Environmental Impact Statement is expected to be released late this year.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 06, 2018, 11:22:16 PM
Photo is not showing up.

Sorry about that. Try this link instead. https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nf4rS1xrtqYUpwF18
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on July 07, 2018, 01:03:30 PM
This is what was there this time last year.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4437/36900398292_abe5782c58_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YdLbPE)2017 Western KY meet scouting trip Day 1 - 244 (https://flic.kr/p/YdLbPE) by H.B. Elkins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/), on Flickr
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 07, 2018, 01:19:27 PM
Yup, I remember that sign. It's been gone since last winter (I think one of the multiple snow-related wrecks in that area got it), and was replaced by a crudely-made "Madisonville - Exit 38C" sign, which was there until the new combined sign went in last week.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: ThatRandomOshawott on July 23, 2018, 02:58:19 PM
Went through the Calvert City interchange on June 30. On that day, the flyover ramp from the parkway to the connector to Calvert City was not yet complete, but the four-lane connecting ramps were open. In addition, on I-24 WB, there were new gantry signs installed.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rte66man on July 23, 2018, 08:16:31 PM
Since Google hasn't updated it's images since 2015, would someone grab a few photos of the Calvert City interchange and post them? Thanks.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Ryctor2018 on August 20, 2018, 10:47:48 PM
My first post! Hopefully this is embedded properly. This is KYTC District 1's video of I-69 from I-24 south to US 45 near Mayfield. It includes the rebuilt interchanges of I-69/I-24 and I-69/US 45.

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FKYTCDistrict1%2Fvideos%2F1730746516961089%2F&show_text=0&width=560
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on August 21, 2018, 08:39:11 PM
My first post! Hopefully this is embedded properly. This is KYTC District 1's video of I-69 from I-24 south to US 45 near Mayfield. It includes the rebuilt interchanges of I-69/I-24 and I-69/US 45.

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FKYTCDistrict1%2Fvideos%2F1730746516961089%2F&show_text=0&width=560


Welcome to the fun house!  Nice videos, by the way; thanks for sharing.  This obviously won't be the fastest segment of I-69; the 50-60 mph occasional curvature of the old JCP looks like it has been retained (good repaving job, though!). 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Ryctor2018 on August 22, 2018, 11:34:54 AM
Thanks! I wonder if OpenStreetmap needs updating for the I-69/US-45 interchange. I'm too far away to check it out anytime soon; however going by the video it appears the mainlanes flow thru the interchange. I-69 south no longer exits itself.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rel4 on September 03, 2018, 06:52:36 PM
Since Google hasn't updated it's images since 2015, would someone grab a few photos of the Calvert City interchange and post them? Thanks.

I drove Purchase Pkwy/I-69 today. I have a few photos on the travel mapping forum.

http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2663.0
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: abqtraveler on September 03, 2018, 10:18:02 PM
Google hasn't been down the Purchase Parkway around Mayfield in quite some time. I think the street view images along the Purchase through Mayfield date back to the 2012-2013 timeframe. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on September 04, 2018, 07:22:53 AM
Google hasn't been down the Purchase Parkway around Mayfield in quite some time. I think the street view images along the Purchase through Mayfield date back to the 2012-2013 timeframe.

Google's timing can be off.  They drove down I-65 by the I-22 interchange just about a week or so before it opened .  There is a section of I-74 in NC that was last photographed a sunset, so you can't see anything.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: SSR_317 on September 06, 2018, 03:00:50 PM
Google hasn't been down the Purchase Parkway around Mayfield in quite some time. I think the street view images along the Purchase through Mayfield date back to the 2012-2013 timeframe.

Google's timing can be off.  They drove down I-65 by the I-22 interchange just about a week or so before it opened .  There is a section of I-74 in NC that was last photographed a sunset, so you can't see anything.
I concur. Some of Google's Street-View images of SB I-17 north of Phoenix were obviously taken well after sunset as well. All you can see are headlights & taillights. I'm also quite PO'd that they took away the ability to turn off 3-D, as those images were much better to use when you wanted to do measurements.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: vdeane on September 06, 2018, 09:16:11 PM
Turn off the Globe view for the flat (and sometimes newer) satellite imagery.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 08, 2018, 01:32:09 PM
Google hasn't been down the Purchase Parkway around Mayfield in quite some time. I think the street view images along the Purchase through Mayfield date back to the 2012-2013 timeframe. 

The Purchase Parkway isn't the only one where Google didn't visited since a while. The Cumberland Pkwy at Edmonton KY where it meet US-68 date from September 2011 while the part where US-68 goes over Cumberland Pkwy dates from June 2008 and it didn't show the interchange who had been built since then.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: SSR_317 on September 09, 2018, 06:01:59 PM
Turn off the Globe view for the flat (and sometimes newer) satellite imagery.
Thanks, I'll give that a try!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: edwaleni on September 09, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
There are still whole cities that have only one road mapped by Google.

The fact they have what they have is pretty amazing.

On the flip side, there are some very remote dirt roads where Google has some overwhelming coverage, which I couldn't explain in any lifetime.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Roadsguy on September 10, 2018, 08:10:03 AM
Turn off the Globe view for the flat (and sometimes newer) satellite imagery.
Thanks, I'll give that a try!

Keep in mind that in many areas with newer 3D imagery, turning off 3D doesn't go to flat imagery, it goes to a flattened rendering of the same 3D imagery.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: SSR_317 on September 17, 2018, 09:49:57 PM
Turn off the Globe view for the flat (and sometimes newer) satellite imagery.
Thanks, I'll give that a try!
Worked great, many thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 10, 2018, 09:07:14 AM
With I-69 complete from Henderson South to Mayfield, and with SIU 7 construction on going in Tennessee, what is the status of the project to link them together?

Major construction is needed from the US 51/TN interchange to the US51/KY interchange, plus fixing the bow tie at Wingo.

There was a lot of talk about planning on this thread earlier, but what is the official status at this point?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Ryctor2018 on October 10, 2018, 07:09:46 PM
KYTC is working on this next: http://www.wkms.org/post/completion-interchange-projects-adds-30-miles-interstate-69-kentucky

"Kentucky Transportation Cabinet District One Chief Engineer Mike McGregor said the agency is now turning attention to completing upgrades along the remaining 20 miles of the parkway. He said they have started design work for upgrades to the Kentucky 339 Exit 14 Wingo Interchange and upgrades that will extend I-69 southward toward the Kentucky-Tennessee state line."

Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 10, 2018, 07:53:13 PM
KYTC is working on this next: http://www.wkms.org/post/completion-interchange-projects-adds-30-miles-interstate-69-kentucky

"Kentucky Transportation Cabinet District One Chief Engineer Mike McGregor said the agency is now turning attention to completing upgrades along the remaining 20 miles of the parkway. He said they have started design work for upgrades to the Kentucky 339 Exit 14 Wingo Interchange and upgrades that will extend I-69 southward toward the Kentucky-Tennessee state line."

So it is literally "on the drawing board."
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on October 10, 2018, 10:48:59 PM
They aren't in a rush to get that part done, considering that I-69 will just end at the border.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 11, 2018, 02:26:51 AM
They aren't in a rush to get that part done, considering that I-69 will just end at the border.

Except that Tennessee is actively working on SIU 7.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on October 11, 2018, 11:57:54 AM
Hardly. There is very little activity between Fulton and Memphis other than the Union City bypass, which isn't progressing any further than it's current status - graded. There are still years to go for planning and environmental justice work before construction can even begin. The Ohio River bridge is a more urgent matter.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Captain Jack on October 12, 2018, 12:55:58 AM
Hardly. There is very little activity between Fulton and Memphis other than the Union City bypass, which isn't progressing any further than it's current status - graded. There are still years to go for planning and environmental justice work before construction can even begin. The Ohio River bridge is a more urgent matter.

No kidding, I think Tennessee has (1) worker working on the Union City bypass. Seems like it has been under construction for about 20 years. Has there been anything else at all started along this route? I sure haven't seen anything.

I am to the point of wishing that they would just build a straight cut across the Missouri bootheel, from the I-155 bridge towards Steele and the Missouri 164 interchange with I-55. Couldn't be more than 10 miles, and would be a lot cheaper than new terrain from Dyersburg to Memphis, not to mention the snails pace Tennessee is moving on this project.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 12, 2018, 07:23:00 AM
From the I-69 Tennessee thread:

There's a lot of I-69 SIU 7 planned for FY 2020 in the FY 2018-20 Three Year Plan (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Three_Year_Transportation_Plan_(FY_18-20).pdf) (pp. 9-10/21 of pdf):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_23_20.png)
....
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_10_52.png)
There's also revised ROW acquisition for I-69/I-240 (p.12/21 of pdf):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_09_05_17_11_39_06.png)
No Lauderdale County/SIU 8 projects, though.

The FY 2019-21 Three Year Plan (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/documents/GovHighwayProgramFY19-21.pdf) contains the following Obion County projects, which includes the addition of environmental work on the state line section in 2019 and preliminary engineering on the state line section in 2021 (p.14/31 of pdf):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/1615_23_04_18_3_15_30.jpeg)

However, no additional work on either I-69/I-240 in Shelby County or I-69 in Lauderdale County.

It is slow but there is activity on SIU 7.

From what I have been able to determine, they are acquiring land for sections 1, 2 (Troy Bypass) and 5 (TN 21 to US 51)

Section 3 has been under construction, and section 4 needs grading and paving.

And to answer my own question there does appear to some work scheduled for the Tennessee side of the state line section
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on October 12, 2018, 07:48:47 AM
Some of that is about the Union City Bypass, and that timetable to finish construction and paving is absurdly slow. It's been under construction for years in a very piecemeal fashion. It's no hurry to be built considering how adequate the existing road is. Others call for the construction of the Union City Bypass to US 51 at Mulberry Road, but that's way out in 2021. And environmental studies for the remainder of the route north to Kentucky, which will take several years just to complete.

But just like STIP's in other states, just because its listed doesn't mean it happens. I've seen projects languish on Tennessee's and Kentucky's lists for years. At least this provides some guidance on when some of these projects is -expected- to happen.

I'm going to wage a bet that the Ohio River Bridge happens first. With that work progressing faster than what I was expecting, and that project costing so much money, I just don't see Kentucky rushing to get I-69 finished further south when the connector to Union City won't be built out until well into the late 2020's.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on October 13, 2018, 11:33:52 AM
Some of that is about the Union City Bypass, and that timetable to finish construction and paving is absurdly slow. It's been under construction for years in a very piecemeal fashion. It's no hurry to be built considering how adequate the existing road is. Others call for the construction of the Union City Bypass to US 51 at Mulberry Road, but that's way out in 2021. And environmental studies for the remainder of the route north to Kentucky, which will take several years just to complete.

But just like STIP's in other states, just because its listed doesn't mean it happens. I've seen projects languish on Tennessee's and Kentucky's lists for years. At least this provides some guidance on when some of these projects is -expected- to happen.

I'm going to wage a bet that the Ohio River Bridge happens first. With that work progressing faster than what I was expecting, and that project costing so much money, I just don't see Kentucky rushing to get I-69 finished further south when the connector to Union City won't be built out until well into the late 2020's.

The prime incentives to getting I-69 down to the state line in the near term would be simply money (avoidance of inflationary factors) and, well, just getting those I-69 projects in the rear view mirror (except for the Ohio River bridge, of course).  Once done, KY can focus its attention on other projects: upgrading the Natcher to I-165, finishing off the I-65 expansion, etc.   
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: mvak36 on October 13, 2018, 08:17:22 PM
Some of that is about the Union City Bypass, and that timetable to finish construction and paving is absurdly slow. It's been under construction for years in a very piecemeal fashion. It's no hurry to be built considering how adequate the existing road is. Others call for the construction of the Union City Bypass to US 51 at Mulberry Road, but that's way out in 2021. And environmental studies for the remainder of the route north to Kentucky, which will take several years just to complete.

But just like STIP's in other states, just because its listed doesn't mean it happens. I've seen projects languish on Tennessee's and Kentucky's lists for years. At least this provides some guidance on when some of these projects is -expected- to happen.

I'm going to wage a bet that the Ohio River Bridge happens first. With that work progressing faster than what I was expecting, and that project costing so much money, I just don't see Kentucky rushing to get I-69 finished further south when the connector to Union City won't be built out until well into the late 2020's.

The prime incentives to getting I-69 down to the state line in the near term would be simply money (avoidance of inflationary factors) and, well, just getting those I-69 projects in the rear view mirror (except for the Ohio River bridge, of course).  Once done, KY can focus its attention on other projects: upgrading the Natcher to I-165, finishing off the I-65 expansion, etc.

I thought the I-65 expansion in KY will be done this year. Maybe I am mistaken.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: wriddle082 on October 13, 2018, 08:36:37 PM
^ The last four-lane stretch of I-65 is being widened now and should finish fairly soon.  But now there are plans on widening it from 6 to 8 lanes from Elizabethtown to the outskirts of Louisville.  This is the section that was originally the Kentucky Turnpike, and was the first rural stretch to be widened.  Completely reconstructed in the mid-80’s, with not a single original structure remaining.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on October 14, 2018, 02:01:12 AM
I thought the I-65 expansion in KY will be done this year. Maybe I am mistaken.
^ The last four-lane stretch of I-65 is being widened now and should finish fairly soon.  But now there are plans on widening it from 6 to 8 lanes from Elizabethtown to the outskirts of Louisville.  This is the section that was originally the Kentucky Turnpike, and was the first rural stretch to be widened.  Completely reconstructed in the mid-80’s, with not a single original structure remaining.

Good.  Then KY can work on expansion of I-64 (at least between Louisville and Lexington) and as much of I-75 as their budgets can handle.  Traffic on those freeways warrants at least 6 lanes throughout.   
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: silverback1065 on October 14, 2018, 07:36:20 PM
^ The last four-lane stretch of I-65 is being widened now and should finish fairly soon.  But now there are plans on widening it from 6 to 8 lanes from Elizabethtown to the outskirts of Louisville.  This is the section that was originally the Kentucky Turnpike, and was the first rural stretch to be widened.  Completely reconstructed in the mid-80’s, with not a single original structure remaining.

why does 65 need to be 8 lanes wide there?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on October 14, 2018, 10:19:31 PM
The hills and the percentage of truck traffic is the main driver. It gets horribly congested during the daylight hours.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 15, 2018, 12:03:27 AM
The hills and the percentage of truck traffic is the main driver. It gets horribly congested during the daylight hours.

I can confirm this. I-65 in Kentucky needs to be wider than it is. The pain of the widening project is almost over, i remember the massive backups in the truck south of exit 86...and through the sonora section itself. Having the main road south of the city being 6 lanes is a massive improvement, and having more lanes through to the city itself will help as well. rebuilding the 265 and 264 interchanges to be more free flowing would be a massive improvement.

As for i-69, In the truck i use the purchase parkway section infrequently, mostly to connect to i-24 to get to i-57 via US45 when i have to run from Newbern TN to Zeeland Michigan. Using 69 to connect north isn't worth the nearly 40 miles.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on October 15, 2018, 07:37:41 AM
There have been plans out there to rebuild the I-265/64 interchange, and then the I-265/71 interchange, but now there are plans to reconstruct the I-265/65 interchange.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on October 15, 2018, 01:27:41 PM
Those cloverleafs at 265/64 and 265/71 date to the 1960s, and are badly in need of replacement, but the configuration of the 265/65 interchange confuses me, since it's so much newer. I don't know why some sort of flyover wasn't built to link westbound 265/841 to southbound 65, instead of the loop ramp that's currently there.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rte66man on October 17, 2018, 10:33:05 PM
Google hasn't been down the Purchase Parkway around Mayfield in quite some time. I think the street view images along the Purchase through Mayfield date back to the 2012-2013 timeframe. 

Was on Google Earth today and noticed the Street View for the Calvert City interchange was dated 5/2018. The normal view is still 2015.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 24, 2019, 09:30:57 AM
Google Maps has the Streetview of the Southern End of I-69 in Kentucky

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7212172,-88.6857693,3a,68.3y,62.25h,88.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA00SUWaiNB7SUS4KqzQAmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on January 24, 2019, 11:47:39 AM
Google Maps has the Streetview of the Southern End of I-69 in Kentucky

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7212172,-88.6857693,3a,68.3y,62.25h,88.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA00SUWaiNB7SUS4KqzQAmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


And, not coincidentally, the southern end of the K-rail median for I-69.  Although not the "prettiest" thing in the world, quite an improvement over the markedly narrow grass median common to the KY parkways, which potentially posed issues with crossover traffic incidents.  It's probably safe to assume that as the former Purchase is upgraded, the K-rail will follow suit. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: seicer on January 24, 2019, 12:26:38 PM
That's interesting. It's not the jersey barrier (with height extension) that they were using on I-75 and I-65 with the widening projects. This is more in line with newer Ohio and West Virginia installations.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Roadsguy on January 24, 2019, 04:56:04 PM
Google Maps has the Streetview of the Southern End of I-69 in Kentucky

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7212172,-88.6857693,3a,68.3y,62.25h,88.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA00SUWaiNB7SUS4KqzQAmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Is signage of I-69 and the elimination of Purchase Parkway shields now consistent all the way from here to I-24?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 24, 2019, 05:02:08 PM
Google Maps has the Streetview of the Southern End of I-69 in Kentucky

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7212172,-88.6857693,3a,68.3y,62.25h,88.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA00SUWaiNB7SUS4KqzQAmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Is signage of I-69 and the elimination of Purchase Parkway shields now consistent all the way from here to I-24?

I-69 is now signed continuously from Mayfield to Henderson.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Roadsguy on January 24, 2019, 05:12:52 PM
Google Maps has the Streetview of the Southern End of I-69 in Kentucky

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7212172,-88.6857693,3a,68.3y,62.25h,88.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA00SUWaiNB7SUS4KqzQAmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Is signage of I-69 and the elimination of Purchase Parkway shields now consistent all the way from here to I-24?

I-69 is now signed continuously from Mayfield to Henderson.

Is it officially designated but unsigned down to the TN state line?
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: sparker on January 24, 2019, 09:09:51 PM
Google Maps has the Streetview of the Southern End of I-69 in Kentucky

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7212172,-88.6857693,3a,68.3y,62.25h,88.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA00SUWaiNB7SUS4KqzQAmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Is signage of I-69 and the elimination of Purchase Parkway shields now consistent all the way from here to I-24?

I-69 is now signed continuously from Mayfield to Henderson.

Is it officially designated but unsigned down to the TN state line?

It's designated as a future Interstate south of the endpoint depicted above, but won't be approved for actual signage until upgrades, including interchange modification and median work, are completed.  Technically, KY could, with FHWA consent, sign any qualifying portion of their corridor portion; but they may not do so until the Fulton-area projects connecting them to a completed TN route are ready to go.   Since the Purchase Parkway section will likely be completed prior to the Fulton connector, we'll just have to see what strategy they take -- sign it ASAP or wait for TN/connector to be done. 
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 25, 2019, 11:19:03 AM
Google Maps has the Streetview of the Southern End of I-69 in Kentucky

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7212172,-88.6857693,3a,68.3y,62.25h,88.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA00SUWaiNB7SUS4KqzQAmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Is signage of I-69 and the elimination of Purchase Parkway shields now consistent all the way from here to I-24?

I-69 is now signed continuously from Mayfield to Henderson.

Is it officially designated but unsigned down to the TN state line?

It's designated as a future Interstate south of the endpoint depicted above, but won't be approved for actual signage until upgrades, including interchange modification and median work, are completed.  Technically, KY could, with FHWA consent, sign any qualifying portion of their corridor portion; but they may not do so until the Fulton-area projects connecting them to a completed TN route are ready to go.   Since the Purchase Parkway section will likely be completed prior to the Fulton connector, we'll just have to see what strategy they take -- sign it ASAP or wait for TN/connector to be done.

No reason they shouldn't sign it, since they have it signed north on the Pennyrile Parkway up to the approximate point where the new alignment will leave the existing route when the Ohio River bridge is built.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: abqtraveler on January 25, 2019, 10:42:45 PM
Google Maps has the Streetview of the Southern End of I-69 in Kentucky

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7212172,-88.6857693,3a,68.3y,62.25h,88.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA00SUWaiNB7SUS4KqzQAmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Is signage of I-69 and the elimination of Purchase Parkway shields now consistent all the way from here to I-24?

I-69 is now signed continuously from Mayfield to Henderson.

Is it officially designated but unsigned down to the TN state line?

It's designated as a future Interstate south of the endpoint depicted above, but won't be approved for actual signage until upgrades, including interchange modification and median work, are completed.  Technically, KY could, with FHWA consent, sign any qualifying portion of their corridor portion; but they may not do so until the Fulton-area projects connecting them to a completed TN route are ready to go.   Since the Purchase Parkway section will likely be completed prior to the Fulton connector, we'll just have to see what strategy they take -- sign it ASAP or wait for TN/connector to be done.

No reason they shouldn't sign it, since they have it signed north on the Pennyrile Parkway up to the approximate point where the new alignment will leave the existing route when the Ohio River bridge is built.

The final 20 or so miles from Mayfield to the TN line are still not up to interstate standards, so the FHWA won't allow this section of the Purchase Parkway to be signed as I-69 yet.

Reconstructing the interchange at Wingo won't happen for a few years, but they could install cable barriers in the median from Mayfield to Wingo fairly quick, and get the I-69 designation extended another 7 miles.  KYTC could also ready the last 14 miles of the mainline, so all that remains are yhe two interchanges at Wingo and South Fulton.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: jnewkirk77 on January 26, 2019, 02:09:08 PM
KYTC could enter into an agreement with FHWA, as they did with the Natcher, for the remainder of the route. The "new" I-165 will be signed as such later this year, since much of the work to rectify substandard areas is either underway or soon will be. The toll booth interchanges at Bowling Green, Morgantown and Hartford won't be replaced for several years.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on January 26, 2019, 04:44:24 PM
Nothing was done to the majority of the medians along the WK and Purchase parkways that I-69 ate. Was anything done to the Purchase other than in the vicinity of the US 45 bypass interchange that eliminated the TOTSO? I don't recall seeing any work for cable barriers when I was last there 14 months ago.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 27, 2019, 11:42:04 PM
Nothing was done to the majority of the medians along the WK and Purchase parkways that I-69 ate. Was anything done to the Purchase other than in the vicinity of the US 45 bypass interchange that eliminated the TOTSO? I don't recall seeing any work for cable barriers when I was last there 14 months ago.

From what I saw today (Sunday), nope.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 01, 2019, 11:55:54 AM
I-69 Is now correctly marked in Google Maps from I-24 South to Mayfield.

And in typical Google Maps fashion, incorrectly marked all the way South to the TOTSO at US 51 just across the Tennessee line...


"Eh, Close enough."  - Google Maps motto
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Roadsguy on February 01, 2019, 12:07:36 PM
I-69 Is now correctly marked in Google Maps from I-24 South to Mayfield.

And in typical Google Maps fashion, incorrectly marked all the way South to the TOTSO at US 51 just across the Tennessee line...


"Eh, Close enough."  - Google Maps motto

And as normal for any time they add an interchange reconfiguration, the Mayfield trumpet is now an abomination of the new one partially superimposed over the old one.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 01, 2019, 12:17:29 PM
I-69 Is now correctly marked in Google Maps from I-24 South to Mayfield.

And in typical Google Maps fashion, incorrectly marked all the way South to the TOTSO at US 51 just across the Tennessee line...


"Eh, Close enough."  - Google Maps motto

And as normal for any time they add an interchange reconfiguration, the Mayfield trumpet is now an abomination of the new one partially superimposed over the old one.

"Wait, you want us to take another picture of the Midwest?  We did that five years ago!"
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 01, 2019, 06:04:42 PM
I-69 Is now correctly marked in Google Maps from I-24 South to Mayfield.

And in typical Google Maps fashion, incorrectly marked all the way South to the TOTSO at US 51 just across the Tennessee line...


"Eh, Close enough."  - Google Maps motto

And as normal for any time they add an interchange reconfiguration, the Mayfield trumpet is now an abomination of the new one partially superimposed over the old one.

"Wait, you want us to take another picture of the Midwest?  We did that five years ago!"

Let's see if Bing Streetside* will update it and if they did it, let's see if that wake up the guys of Google Streetview. ;) 

*Still wondering if Bing Streetside will cover Canada soon but that's for another story.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: ThatRandomOshawott on February 28, 2019, 09:36:01 PM
Is the Mayfield trumpet complete? I haven't been down there in a while, but while it was under construction, traffic flow was a bit of a circus (you had to take detours if you wanted to get on U. S. 45)
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on March 01, 2019, 12:45:54 PM
Is the Mayfield trumpet complete? I haven't been down there in a while, but while it was under construction, traffic flow was a bit of a circus (you had to take detours if you wanted to get on U. S. 45)

Yep. The parkway is now the through movement.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: codyg1985 on March 01, 2019, 12:54:38 PM
Is the Mayfield trumpet complete? I haven't been down there in a while, but while it was under construction, traffic flow was a bit of a circus (you had to take detours if you wanted to get on U. S. 45)

Yep. The parkway is now the through movement.

It shows up on Google Street View now: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7262519,-88.6745939,3a,51.4y,81.51h,102.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stpxjluVOLlonN77KNtFxqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: edwaleni on March 02, 2019, 11:34:55 PM
Google analyzes phone tracking data.  They update when the phones report large use on a route not defined on the map itself.  Then they will ship a contracted camera car out to the new route to collect imagery.

As for the sat data, in the urban areas, they are good at updates, but there are still large parts of the US that still have sat imagery from the early 2000's.  There are still some low res street imagery from 2003 in certain spots.

Many cities and towns in the flyover states only have had 1 camera car pass through ever, and its only the main street.

In Seattle, there are so many sub-street views in so many places, many of them were taken by camera bicycles, and a Google camera car risked life and limb to drive a dirt road to reach Kona Point in Hawaii. Which to me is ridiculous.

Yet many towns of 5000 people or less are after thoughts and have neever been touched.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: hbelkins on March 03, 2019, 07:19:58 PM
Google analyzes phone tracking data.  They update when the phones report large use on a route not defined on the map itself.  Then they will ship a contracted camera car out to the new route to collect imagery.

Google, through Waze, also partners with some states to exchange information. Kentucky is one of those states. If Kentucky has updated its maps, then Google/Waze will be alerted to the change.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: Revive 755 on March 03, 2019, 10:15:14 PM
It shows up on Google Street View now: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7262519,-88.6745939,3a,51.4y,81.51h,102.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stpxjluVOLlonN77KNtFxqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The best they could do was 50 mph for the curve?  I foresee that interchange developing a crash problem, and have to wonder if a brief section of new alignment to the west would not have been a better option.
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on March 04, 2019, 09:42:00 AM
It shows up on Google Street View now: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7262519,-88.6745939,3a,51.4y,81.51h,102.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stpxjluVOLlonN77KNtFxqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The best they could do was 50 mph for the curve?  I foresee that interchange developing a crash problem, and have to wonder if a brief section of new alignment to the west would not have been a better option.

They did move the road slightly North and West when converting to a four lane highway from the ramp it was before.

Move the whole highway further West would have increased the costs of this project exponentially.   Rebuilding the existing ramp into a freeway is more cost effective and it is hardly the only place in the Interstate system with restricted speeds,
Title: Re: I-69 in KY
Post by: rte66man on March 04, 2019, 02:55:55 PM
It shows up on Google Street View now: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7262519,-88.6745939,3a,51.4y,81.51h,102.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stpxjluVOLlonN77KNtFxqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The best they could do was 50 mph for the curve?  I foresee that interchange developing a crash problem, and have to wonder if a brief section of new alignment to the west would not have been a better option.

I can't figure out from the map or Street View exactly what is going on with SB 45. What's up with that weird weaving ramp?  It looks as