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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #675 on: February 06, 2017, 06:23:14 PM »

It would be rather neat if Memphis was listed underneath Fulton.  :D  I know, I-69 probably will not reach Memphis for at least 15-20 years (if we are lucky), however, this is the way to get to Memphis if you live in Evansville, SW Indiana, or western Kentucky.  Why not?

Memphis would still be a logical control city since the Parkway dumps you onto US 51, which also has a control city of Memphis once you get to Tennessee.

However, Memphis is in Tennessee and why should the citizens of Kentucky pay for a sign that has a TN city if lieu of a logical KY one.  It isn't like I-65 south out of Nashville TN that has a control city of Huntsville.  There isn't a logical control city for TN unless you want it to read Ardmore TN or perhaps Spring Hill, Columbia or Pulaski.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #676 on: February 06, 2017, 07:42:04 PM »

It would be rather neat if Memphis was listed underneath Fulton.  :D  I know, I-69 probably will not reach Memphis for at least 15-20 years (if we are lucky), however, this is the way to get to Memphis if you live in Evansville, SW Indiana, or western Kentucky.  Why not?

Memphis would still be a logical control city since the Parkway dumps you onto US 51, which also has a control city of Memphis once you get to Tennessee.

However, Memphis is in Tennessee and why should the citizens of Kentucky pay for a sign that has a TN city if lieu of a logical KY one.  It isn't like I-65 south out of Nashville TN that has a control city of Huntsville.  There isn't a logical control city for TN unless you want it to read Ardmore TN or perhaps Spring Hill, Columbia or Pulaski.

Fulton, KY is about the same size as Ardmore, TN and Ardmore, AL combined, FWIW.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #677 on: February 06, 2017, 09:00:08 PM »

It would be rather neat if Memphis was listed underneath Fulton.  :D  I know, I-69 probably will not reach Memphis for at least 15-20 years (if we are lucky), however, this is the way to get to Memphis if you live in Evansville, SW Indiana, or western Kentucky.  Why not?

Memphis would still be a logical control city since the Parkway dumps you onto US 51, which also has a control city of Memphis once you get to Tennessee.

However, Memphis is in Tennessee and why should the citizens of Kentucky pay for a sign that has a TN city if lieu of a logical KY one.  It isn't like I-65 south out of Nashville TN that has a control city of Huntsville.  There isn't a logical control city for TN unless you want it to read Ardmore TN or perhaps Spring Hill, Columbia or Pulaski.

Fulton, KY is about the same size as Ardmore, TN and Ardmore, AL combined, FWIW.

Having never been through Ardmore, I cannot speak to it, but I've been to or through Fulton several times, and it doesn't seem to be as big as it apparently is.

I think it's goofy to have Fulton listed on the Pennyrile Parkway at Henderson or where it intersects the WK. Fulton made sense for the Purchase at I-24, since it's the southern terminus of the Purchase, but even then I doubt if most traffic on the Purchase has Fulton as its ultimate destination. I'd venture to guess that most regional traffic is headed to Mayfield or Murray; more long-range travelers are likely going to Union City, Dyersburg or Memphis.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #678 on: February 07, 2017, 11:24:08 PM »

It would be rather neat if Memphis was listed underneath Fulton.  :D  I know, I-69 probably will not reach Memphis for at least 15-20 years (if we are lucky), however, this is the way to get to Memphis if you live in Evansville, SW Indiana, or western Kentucky.  Why not?

Memphis would still be a logical control city since the Parkway dumps you onto US 51, which also has a control city of Memphis once you get to Tennessee.

However, Memphis is in Tennessee and why should the citizens of Kentucky pay for a sign that has a TN city if lieu of a logical KY one.  It isn't like I-65 south out of Nashville TN that has a control city of Huntsville.  There isn't a logical control city for TN unless you want it to read Ardmore TN or perhaps Spring Hill, Columbia or Pulaski.

Fulton, KY is about the same size as Ardmore, TN and Ardmore, AL combined, FWIW.

Having never been through Ardmore, I cannot speak to it, but I've been to or through Fulton several times, and it doesn't seem to be as big as it apparently is.

I think it's goofy to have Fulton listed on the Pennyrile Parkway at Henderson or where it intersects the WK. Fulton made sense for the Purchase at I-24, since it's the southern terminus of the Purchase, but even then I doubt if most traffic on the Purchase has Fulton as its ultimate destination. I'd venture to guess that most regional traffic is headed to Mayfield or Murray; more long-range travelers are likely going to Union City, Dyersburg or Memphis.

Kentucky has done a lot of goofy things in regards to signage along I-69.

It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.
It's goofy that mileage is given for places such as Providence and Morganfield, yet never for Evansville or Union City.
It's goofy that no "Temp 69" or "To 69" signs are used along the US 41 stretch in Henderson County.

What kind of logic says a state should only use cities within that state as control cities? That is never a requirement. In Kentucky alone, Cincinnati, Nashville and Knoxville are all used as control cities. I guess they should take Nashville off of I-24 and replace it with Oak Grove.

IMO, Memphis and Evansville should be the control cities for the entire length between the two cities.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #679 on: February 08, 2017, 08:37:52 AM »

There is now a "To 69" sign on the overhead on US 41 South after you travel through the strip in Henderson.  I also don't know why there aren't more of those signs, especially in Indiana where I-69 stops at US 41.  To someone that didn't have a GPS or map around and was told to follow I-69 from Southern Indiana through Western KY, when they got to the sign in Evansville that says "I-69 Ends", I could see someone go WTF???  Since I don't consider this a temporary problem, since the bridge is a good 10+ years away, this stretch ought to be signed on how to get from one part of I-69 to another.  Just like the old days.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #680 on: February 08, 2017, 09:00:38 AM »

It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #681 on: February 08, 2017, 10:39:59 AM »

I'm going to do some checking to see how long the Purchase/I-24 interchange construction project is going to be ongoing. Might do a road meet down that way if there's any interest.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #682 on: February 08, 2017, 03:32:24 PM »

There is now a "To 69" sign on the overhead on US 41 South after you travel through the strip in Henderson.  I also don't know why there aren't more of those signs, especially in Indiana where I-69 stops at US 41.  To someone that didn't have a GPS or map around and was told to follow I-69 from Southern Indiana through Western KY, when they got to the sign in Evansville that says "I-69 Ends", I could see someone go WTF???  Since I don't consider this a temporary problem, since the bridge is a good 10+ years away, this stretch ought to be signed on how to get from one part of I-69 to another.  Just like the old days.

The best option would be to label US-41 between the two sections as "Temporary I-69".   IIRC this was used fairly often between completed stretches of interstates during construction in the 60's.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #683 on: February 08, 2017, 06:40:35 PM »

Does anyone see "Temporary I-xx" signs coming back? I certainly don't.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #684 on: February 08, 2017, 06:53:56 PM »

There is now a "To 69" sign on the overhead on US 41 South after you travel through the strip in Henderson.  I also don't know why there aren't more of those signs, especially in Indiana where I-69 stops at US 41.  To someone that didn't have a GPS or map around and was told to follow I-69 from Southern Indiana through Western KY, when they got to the sign in Evansville that says "I-69 Ends", I could see someone go WTF???  Since I don't consider this a temporary problem, since the bridge is a good 10+ years away, this stretch ought to be signed on how to get from one part of I-69 to another.  Just like the old days.

The best option would be to label US-41 between the two sections as "Temporary I-69".   IIRC this was used fairly often between completed stretches of interstates during construction in the 60's.

Ten years, I see the bridge more like twenty years if that out.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #685 on: February 08, 2017, 09:06:20 PM »

Does anyone see "Temporary I-xx" signs coming back? I certainly don't.

A satisfactory alternative would also be the simplest one: "TO (fill in direction) I-69" trailblazer sign assemblies along US 41 between the ends of the completed/signed I-69 segments.  And put enough of them up to actually be effective! 
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #686 on: February 09, 2017, 10:24:11 AM »

I traveled the Pennyrile southbound last fall, where I-69 signage begins at what used to be KY 425 (southern bypass of Henderson) but is now US 41. I failed to notice if there are any "End I-69" signs going north on the Pennyrile at that exit.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #687 on: February 09, 2017, 11:08:34 PM »

It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?

No, where I-69 splits from I-24, Elizabethtown is used as the control city for I-69.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #688 on: February 10, 2017, 12:58:02 AM »

Which makes perfect sense. You're goofy.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #689 on: February 10, 2017, 10:00:37 AM »

It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?

No, where I-69 splits from I-24, Elizabethtown is used as the control city for I-69.

...which is onto the Western KY Parkway. I'm assuming that exit always had Elizabethtown as the control city, and they left it that way.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #690 on: February 10, 2017, 01:42:06 PM »

It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?

No, where I-69 splits from I-24, Elizabethtown is used as the control city for I-69.

...which is onto the Western KY Parkway. I'm assuming that exit always had Elizabethtown as the control city, and they left it that way.

Yes, it's always been Elizabethtown. I can't remember if new signage was installed there, or if the old WK Parkway markers were removed and I-69 markers were posted to replace them.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #691 on: February 14, 2017, 08:22:36 AM »

Does anyone see "Temporary I-xx" signs coming back? I certainly don't.

A satisfactory alternative would also be the simplest one: "TO (fill in direction) I-69" trailblazer sign assemblies along US 41 between the ends of the completed/signed I-69 segments.  And put enough of them up to actually be effective! 

Louisiana is doing that in the Shreveport area to direct travelers between the disjointed section of I-49: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.4599074,-93.8333101,3a,32.4y,265.19h,87.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svQdcH7Ia_npiBLk7jPLRkw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #692 on: February 14, 2017, 05:16:10 PM »

It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?

No, where I-69 splits from I-24, Elizabethtown is used as the control city for I-69.

...which is onto the Western KY Parkway. I'm assuming that exit always had Elizabethtown as the control city, and they left it that way.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Evansville added to (or supplanting ) Elizabethtown on the BGS's at the NB I-69/EB I-24 split in the next couple of years, regardless of the progress on an Ohio River bridge -- particularly considering the modifications to the WKY/Breathitt interchange making I-69 the through facility.  The other way?  Fulton will likely remain the control city until some progress is made (!?) on SIU 8 in TN (with Memphis added or substituted as control city at that time). 
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #693 on: February 15, 2017, 08:57:04 AM »

It's goofy that Elizabethtown is used as a control city. I-69 doesn't get within 100 miles of there.

Is that just on the Western KY Parkway section?

No, where I-69 splits from I-24, Elizabethtown is used as the control city for I-69.

...which is onto the Western KY Parkway. I'm assuming that exit always had Elizabethtown as the control city, and they left it that way.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Evansville added to (or supplanting ) Elizabethtown on the BGS's at the NB I-69/EB I-24 split in the next couple of years, regardless of the progress on an Ohio River bridge -- particularly considering the modifications to the WKY/Breathitt interchange making I-69 the through facility.  The other way?  Fulton will likely remain the control city until some progress is made (!?) on SIU 8 in TN (with Memphis added or substituted as control city at that time). 

Knowing KYTC, it would be Henderson they use as a control city for NB I-69.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #694 on: February 15, 2017, 04:42:08 PM »

Knowing KYTC, it would be Henderson they use as a control city for NB I-69.

Right -- if they're going to use a tiny burg like Fulton as a SB control city -- ostensibly because it's in-state, then Henderson would, it follows, be the obvious choice for NB 69.  Maybe KYTC will eventually put Evansville on a sign -- on the pull-through to the (future) I-69 Ohio River Bridge, whenever that occurs!   
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #695 on: February 15, 2017, 09:35:43 PM »

Well, if this is any indication as to what will happen, this is what the new sign at the end of the Audubon Parkway looks like.

2016 Alabama Meet Trip Day 1 - 112 by H.B. Elkins, on Flickr

And you don't get a mention of Evansville until here.

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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #696 on: February 16, 2017, 06:16:40 PM »

Evansville on a single pull-through.  More or less what I guessed would happen.  Let's wait a few years and see if they do the same with the actual I-69 crossing!
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« Reply #697 on: February 17, 2017, 08:28:07 AM »

Let's face it, on that one sign, Kentucky had run out of cities.  There are no KY cities on US 41 north from that point.  Interestingly enough, on I-69 at the intersection with I-64 north of Evansville, the sign shows I -69 South and lists Henderson, KY as one of the destination cities.  Perhaps we should change that just to spite and list Fulton now.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #698 on: February 17, 2017, 09:49:41 AM »

What I would suggest is that when the new bridge is built, US 41 to be signed for Henderson and Evansville, and I-69 for Indianapolis.

Let's face it, on that one sign, Kentucky had run out of cities.  There are no KY cities on US 41 north from that point.  Interestingly enough, on I-69 at the intersection with I-64 north of Evansville, the sign shows I -69 South and lists Henderson, KY as one of the destination cities.  Perhaps we should change that just to spite and list Fulton now.

Which is a holdover from the I-164 days.  There isn't even a city posted for I-69 north, even though Indy could and should be posted.
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Re: I-69 in KY
« Reply #699 on: February 17, 2017, 09:58:08 AM »

Sorry to change topic here, but does anyone know if they have started construction on the I-24/Purchase Pkwy interchange in Calvert City? Is it still scheduled to be completed in 2018?

Also, when the above project and the other 2 Purchase parkway interchanges are done, can it be signed as I-69?
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