New York

[machias]

D262955 - NY 17/I-81 Interchange Phase 2 - preliminary plans - have been released.

https://www.dot.ny.gov/doing-business/opportunities/const-contract-docs?p_d_id=D262955

I noticed Exits 4N-S is becoming Exit 4A and I86/NY 17 West is becoming Exit 4B.

[froggie]

Probably because, if I'm not mistaken, the interchange at NY 7 is being "downgraded" to a single northbound off-ramp.  As best as I can tell, the future Exit 4 will be a 5-ramp par-clo with a NB 7-to-NB 81 loop being the only remaining loop.

[Buffaboy]

The news we've all been waiting for in the Utica Arterial project: traffic to be shifted to the new bridge soon.

http://www.wktv.com/news/Arterial_Project_Shifts_into_High_Gear_Lane_Shifts_Coming.html

[Buffaboy]

The news we've all been waiting for in the Utica Arterial project: traffic to be shifted to the new bridge soon.

http://www.wktv.com/news/Arterial_Project_Shifts_into_High_Gear_Lane_Shifts_Coming.html

Tonight was a bittersweet night, as although I've only known about the Utica area for a couple years, it was my last time driving on the old Arterial bridge.

[D-Dey65]

I forget which old maps I saw this on, but Exit 18 on the Southern State Parkway was supposed to have provisions for expansion into a full cloverleaf interchange. If it had been rebuilt that way, you could've separated ramps for both Eagle Avenue an Hempstead Lake State Park. On the other hand, you'd create too much weaving on the parkway itself.

[SignBridge]

That section of the Southern State Pkwy. from the Queens County-line to the Wantagh Pkwy. is terribly antiquated to begin with. It is basically a (1950's) widened version of the original winding, park-like 1920's four-lane road. Some improvements have been made in recent years, but it's still an antiquated, winding road 'til you get as far east as the Wantagh Pkwy. (Exit-27).  From there on east it's a somewhat straighter route.

[D-Dey65]

I always wonder how beautiful what is now New York City must have been when it was in its natural state.

I can show you something closer to natural in the Bronx from the 1940's;
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?110852

That section of the Southern State Pkwy. from the Queens County-line to the Wantagh Pkwy. is terribly antiquated to begin with. It is basically a (1950's) widened version of the original winding, park-like 1920's four-lane road. Some improvements have been made in recent years, but it's still an antiquated, winding road 'til you get as far east as the Wantagh Pkwy. (Exit-27).  From there on east it's a somewhat straighter route.

That's true, and knowing that I once suggested a major realignment project between Exits 20 and 21 to NYSDOT, and still think Meadowbrook Road (Exit 23) should be closed permanently.

[roadman65]

A question about something that I always thought was peculiar.  Why does the Southern Tier Expressway deviate from the PA Border by several miles  between Olean and Painted Post?  Why did NYDOT just build the freeway along the old NY 17 alignment before that freeway was built which is NY 417, that at one point comes 100 feet more from the border than it does at Waverly.  I believe this current alignment ventures over 30 miles away at its furthest point.

[empirestate]

A question about something that I always thought was peculiar.  Why does the Southern Tier Expressway deviate from the PA Border by several miles  between Olean and Painted Post?  Why did NYDOT just build the freeway along the old NY 17 alignment before that freeway was built which is NY 417, that at one point comes 100 feet more from the border than it does at Waverly.  I believe this current alignment ventures over 30 miles away at its furthest point.

I think the terrain is a little gentler on the northern route. NY 417 goes over some fairly high country in the southwestern corner of Steuben County. It may also have had something to do with getting Hornell on a freeway, though at the expense of Wellsville, of course.

[Rothman]

A question about something that I always thought was peculiar.  Why does the Southern Tier Expressway deviate from the PA Border by several miles  between Olean and Painted Post?  Why did NYDOT just build the freeway along the old NY 17 alignment before that freeway was built which is NY 417, that at one point comes 100 feet more from the border than it does at Waverly.  I believe this current alignment ventures over 30 miles away at its furthest point.

I think the terrain is a little gentler on the northern route. NY 417 goes over some fairly high country in the southwestern corner of Steuben County. It may also have had something to do with getting Hornell on a freeway, though at the expense of Wellsville, of course.

A former boss of mine has an I-386 shield that was used by Wellsville representatives that were lobbying NYSDOT and Albany for a spur route to their town.  I'm hoping to still inherit it.

[route17fan]

A question about something that I always thought was peculiar.  Why does the Southern Tier Expressway deviate from the PA Border by several miles  between Olean and Painted Post?  Why did NYDOT just build the freeway along the old NY 17 alignment before that freeway was built which is NY 417, that at one point comes 100 feet more from the border than it does at Waverly.  I believe this current alignment ventures over 30 miles away at its furthest point.

I think the terrain is a little gentler on the northern route. NY 417 goes over some fairly high country in the southwestern corner of Steuben County. It may also have had something to do with getting Hornell on a freeway, though at the expense of Wellsville, of course.

A former boss of mine has an I-386 shield that was used by Wellsville representatives that were lobbying NYSDOT and Albany for a spur route to their town.  I'm hoping to still inherit it.

WOW!! Is it  state-named or is it neutered?

[cl94]

A question about something that I always thought was peculiar.  Why does the Southern Tier Expressway deviate from the PA Border by several miles  between Olean and Painted Post?  Why did NYDOT just build the freeway along the old NY 17 alignment before that freeway was built which is NY 417, that at one point comes 100 feet more from the border than it does at Waverly.  I believe this current alignment ventures over 30 miles away at its furthest point.

I think the terrain is a little gentler on the northern route. NY 417 goes over some fairly high country in the southwestern corner of Steuben County. It may also have had something to do with getting Hornell on a freeway, though at the expense of Wellsville, of course.

A former boss of mine has an I-386 shield that was used by Wellsville representatives that were lobbying NYSDOT and Albany for a spur route to their town.  I'm hoping to still inherit it.

You're kidding me. Do they want New York's version of I-180? The AADT on NY 19 is under 8,000 and, more importantly, there is nothing there. Hornell at least has the railcar plant.

[Buffaboy]

A question about something that I always thought was peculiar.  Why does the Southern Tier Expressway deviate from the PA Border by several miles  between Olean and Painted Post?  Why did NYDOT just build the freeway along the old NY 17 alignment before that freeway was built which is NY 417, that at one point comes 100 feet more from the border than it does at Waverly.  I believe this current alignment ventures over 30 miles away at its furthest point.

I think the terrain is a little gentler on the northern route. NY 417 goes over some fairly high country in the southwestern corner of Steuben County. It may also have had something to do with getting Hornell on a freeway, though at the expense of Wellsville, of course.

A former boss of mine has an I-386 shield that was used by Wellsville representatives that were lobbying NYSDOT and Albany for a spur route to their town.  I'm hoping to still inherit it.

Haha, I'm surprised this was even considered.

[Rothman]

A question about something that I always thought was peculiar.  Why does the Southern Tier Expressway deviate from the PA Border by several miles  between Olean and Painted Post?  Why did NYDOT just build the freeway along the old NY 17 alignment before that freeway was built which is NY 417, that at one point comes 100 feet more from the border than it does at Waverly.  I believe this current alignment ventures over 30 miles away at its furthest point.

I think the terrain is a little gentler on the northern route. NY 417 goes over some fairly high country in the southwestern corner of Steuben County. It may also have had something to do with getting Hornell on a freeway, though at the expense of Wellsville, of course.

A former boss of mine has an I-386 shield that was used by Wellsville representatives that were lobbying NYSDOT and Albany for a spur route to their town.  I'm hoping to still inherit it.

WOW!! Is it  state-named or is it neutered?

Neutered.

[route17fan]

Gotcha - just curious 

[Rothman]

A question about something that I always thought was peculiar.  Why does the Southern Tier Expressway deviate from the PA Border by several miles  between Olean and Painted Post?  Why did NYDOT just build the freeway along the old NY 17 alignment before that freeway was built which is NY 417, that at one point comes 100 feet more from the border than it does at Waverly.  I believe this current alignment ventures over 30 miles away at its furthest point.

I think the terrain is a little gentler on the northern route. NY 417 goes over some fairly high country in the southwestern corner of Steuben County. It may also have had something to do with getting Hornell on a freeway, though at the expense of Wellsville, of course.

A former boss of mine has an I-386 shield that was used by Wellsville representatives that were lobbying NYSDOT and Albany for a spur route to their town.  I'm hoping to still inherit it.

Haha, I'm surprised this was even considered.

It really wasn't.  It was more them presenting their argument for the route and everyone with common sense saying, "We value your opinion."

[mariethefoxy]

Drove up to Westchester today, I noticed they were replacing the signs on the Cross County Parkway by Exit 6. They had a lane blocked as the crane was hoisting the new sign into place.

[dgolub]

Drove up to Westchester today, I noticed they were replacing the signs on the Cross County Parkway by Exit 6. They had a lane blocked as the crane was hoisting the new sign into place.

Yeah, that was going to happen eventually.  Are they replacing the button-copy on the Hutch as well, or just the Cross County for now.

[Thinks about how he needs an excuse to get up there to snap the new signage.]

[mariethefoxy]

there were a few button letter signs on the Hutch between the City line and Exit 13 (Cross County Parkway)

Cross County still has a few left, but I would get there as soon as you can since it might not be around very long. US 9 in Tarrytown by the Thruway and NY 119 has a few left.

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Just about every button letter sign on Long Island (Nassau and Suffolk) is all gone. In 2012-13 the DOT basically replaced everything, including signs that were only a few years old on I-495 that dated back to the completed HOV lane extension project.

There are a few left here and there on side streets leading up to highways.

[SignBridge]

I believe some button-copy signs still survive on Long Island's Northern State Parkway from the 1984 re-signing project. Most or all of the overhead's have been replaced but there might still be some ground-mounted ones left. To my knowledge, those were the last button-copy signs erected on Long Island.

[mariethefoxy]

I believe some button-copy signs still survive on Long Island's Northern State Parkway from the 1984 re-signing project. Most or all of the overhead's have been replaced but there might still be some ground-mounted ones left. To my knowledge, those were the last button-copy signs erected on Long Island.

nope, theyre all gone, I've been on the entire Northern State as recently as August or so (not all at once, but sections here and there on different days) from Queens to Hauppauge, all the button copy is gone.

Wantagh parkway has one or two button letter signs left near the North end, the rest is all gone.

Recently the expressway part of Sunrise Highway got all new signs.

[dgolub]

I believe some button-copy signs still survive on Long Island's Northern State Parkway from the 1984 re-signing project. Most or all of the overhead's have been replaced but there might still be some ground-mounted ones left. To my knowledge, those were the last button-copy signs erected on Long Island.

nope, theyre all gone, I've been on the entire Northern State as recently as August or so (not all at once, but sections here and there on different days) from Queens to Hauppauge, all the button copy is gone.

Wantagh parkway has one or two button letter signs left near the North end, the rest is all gone.

Recently the expressway part of Sunrise Highway got all new signs.

The FDR Drive is still mostly button copy.  It will be interesting to see how long that lasts.

[Buffaboy]

What's going on with the gantry on the NY 12 NB ramp to I-790 EB? A repair, or complete replacement?

[machias]

What's going on with the gantry on the NY 12 NB ramp to I-790 EB? A repair, or complete replacement?

The signs were replaced in the late 2000s (maybe 2008 or so), but the structure itself is original to the 1989 reconstruction project.

[machias]

What's going on with the gantry on the NY 12 NB ramp to I-790 EB? A repair, or complete replacement?

The signs were replaced in the late 2000s (maybe 2008 or so), but the structure itself is original to the 1989 reconstruction project.

It looks like the overhead structures are cracking and NYSDOT decided they needed to be taken down immediately. The ramp is currently closed. NYSDOT is going to put up ground signs for temporary measures, but knowing that R2, that could be for a year or two. I hope we don't have to wait that long for the new signs to go up. Most likely they'll put up new sign structures but that's just an educated guess.

http://www.uticaod.com/article/20151008/NEWS/151009419