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Started by Alex, August 18, 2009, 12:34:57 AM

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froggie

Here's a couple other articles, though not much different or new information compared to the link Doug posted:

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/blogs18/griffo-calls-for-additional-e-z-pass-toll-booths-for-upstate-20161007

http://www.timestelegram.com/news/20161007/griffo-calls-for-high-speed-e-z-pass-interchanges-new-local-exit

Aside from Griffo's suggestion to put one in Marcy or Rome, none of the articles details or mentions where such interchanges should be built.


Roadgeek Adam

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15B at the crossing of the Thruway, where 17, 17A & CR 106 meet has always been my top choice for an exit like this. It would reduce traffic through Sloatsburg and Tuxedo on 17 to get to the Faire on 17A and direct access to Harriman State Park
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empirestate

The Waterloo Outlets could be a place for some E-ZPass-only ramps.


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kalvado

Quote from: upstatenyroads on October 08, 2016, 09:36:43 AM

Building another Thruway interchange between Canastota (34) and Collamer (34A - I-481) would provide more direct access to Chittenango, Manlius, etc. and possibly help relieve upcoming congestion on I-481 if the I-81 Syracuse project goes with the boulevard.

Building an interchange between Utica (31) and Westmoreland (32) at CR 840 or along the NY 49 straddle roadway would help relieve congestion at the Breezewood-style connection from Exit 31 to I-790.
There are a lot of places where it would be good to have an exit. 85 in Albany comes to mind. Somewhere on the other side of Hudson to make bridge at exit 21A more meaningful..
But my question is more about balancing needs of long haul and commute..

Quote from: empirestate on October 08, 2016, 03:02:53 PM
The Waterloo Outlets could be a place for some E-ZPass-only ramps.
For eastbound lanes only?

empirestate

Quote from: kalvado on October 08, 2016, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 08, 2016, 03:02:53 PM
The Waterloo Outlets could be a place for some E-ZPass-only ramps.
For eastbound lanes only?

Don't know. Maybe eastbound off/westbound on only? A fair amount of Rochester traffic goes there; not so sure about Syracuse.



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Jim

Quote from: empirestate on October 08, 2016, 08:31:53 PM
Quote from: kalvado on October 08, 2016, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 08, 2016, 03:02:53 PM
The Waterloo Outlets could be a place for some E-ZPass-only ramps.
For eastbound lanes only?

Don't know. Maybe eastbound off/westbound on only? A fair amount of Rochester traffic goes there; not so sure about Syracuse.

I'm thinking kalvado meant eastbound off/eastbound on to avoid the need for an overpass and make such an interchange a lot less expensive.
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kalvado

Quote from: Jim on October 08, 2016, 08:48:16 PM
I'm thinking kalvado meant eastbound off/eastbound on to avoid the need for an overpass and make such an interchange a lot less expensive.
Besides, there is a rest area on the other side of Thruway  - until exit is through the area, there will be traffic interference.
Talking things absolutely crazy, I can suggest a pedestrian walkway to outlets from the rest area...

Duke87

Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 08, 2016, 02:07:37 PM
15B at the crossing of the Thruway, where 17, 17A & CR 106 meet has always been my top choice for an exit like this. It would reduce traffic through Sloatsburg and Tuxedo on 17 to get to the Faire on 17A and direct access to Harriman State Park

If you don't mind making it slightly easier to shunpike around the Harriman toll it would be easy enough to build this as a free interchange, since it's outside of the ticket system. If you want to add a couple of ramp tolls to prevent that, there is no reason they couldn't do bill by plate for non-EZpass customers.

Still, any proposal to build an interchange at this location will face NIMBY opposition. The locals in the area like being relatively isolated despite relatively close to the city and would prefer to keep it that way.
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cl94

It wouldn't be unheard of to put an exit through a service area. The original Exit 20 was at the Malden plaza and parking area (still not a trumpet). Maine has an exit like that as well.
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KEVIN_224

I'm guessing you're referring to I-95 Exit 25 in Kennebunk, ME for ME Route 25. Indeed! Now back to the Empire State...

Roadgeek Adam

Quote from: Duke87 on October 08, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 08, 2016, 02:07:37 PM
15B at the crossing of the Thruway, where 17, 17A & CR 106 meet has always been my top choice for an exit like this. It would reduce traffic through Sloatsburg and Tuxedo on 17 to get to the Faire on 17A and direct access to Harriman State Park

If you don't mind making it slightly easier to shunpike around the Harriman toll it would be easy enough to build this as a free interchange, since it's outside of the ticket system. If you want to add a couple of ramp tolls to prevent that, there is no reason they couldn't do bill by plate for non-EZpass customers.

Still, any proposal to build an interchange at this location will face NIMBY opposition. The locals in the area like being relatively isolated despite relatively close to the city and would prefer to keep it that way.

My preference would be if ORT exists that everything south of 16 is taken in tolls. Would be nice to generate some toll revenue.
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empirestate

Quote from: kalvado on October 08, 2016, 09:13:07 PM
Quote from: Jim on October 08, 2016, 08:48:16 PM
I'm thinking kalvado meant eastbound off/eastbound on to avoid the need for an overpass and make such an interchange a lot less expensive.
Besides, there is a rest area on the other side of Thruway  - until exit is through the area, there will be traffic interference.
Talking things absolutely crazy, I can suggest a pedestrian walkway to outlets from the rest area...

There is an overpassing road already adjacent to the area. But I'm not necessarily precluding new construction, either. The service area is, indeed, a complication.

Buffaboy

Quote from: cl94 on October 08, 2016, 11:23:12 AM
There are a bunch of places that should get exits. East of 49 is another big one.

I thought somebody said that wasn't in the long-range plans.
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cl94

Quote from: Buffaboy on October 10, 2016, 10:43:26 AM
Quote from: cl94 on October 08, 2016, 11:23:12 AM
There are a bunch of places that should get exits. East of 49 is another big one.

I thought somebody said that wasn't in the long-range plans.

That was me. None of these are in the long-range plans.
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Buffaboy

Erie County:

Between exits 57a/b @ Lakeview Road (diamond preferred)
Between exits 57a and 56 (Southwestern Blvd or Big Tree)
On I-190 at Van Rensselaer St
I-290 at Maple, Parker???

Split diamond between Cayuga and Wehrle

Interchange at Gunnville Road

Interchange at Ransom Road
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Buffaboy

Quote from: cl94 on October 10, 2016, 10:49:13 AM
Quote from: Buffaboy on October 10, 2016, 10:43:26 AM
Quote from: cl94 on October 08, 2016, 11:23:12 AM
There are a bunch of places that should get exits. East of 49 is another big one.

I thought somebody said that wasn't in the long-range plans.

That was me. None of these are in the long-range plans.

I figured it was you
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Alps

Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 09, 2016, 02:27:42 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 08, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 08, 2016, 02:07:37 PM
15B at the crossing of the Thruway, where 17, 17A & CR 106 meet has always been my top choice for an exit like this. It would reduce traffic through Sloatsburg and Tuxedo on 17 to get to the Faire on 17A and direct access to Harriman State Park

If you don't mind making it slightly easier to shunpike around the Harriman toll it would be easy enough to build this as a free interchange, since it's outside of the ticket system. If you want to add a couple of ramp tolls to prevent that, there is no reason they couldn't do bill by plate for non-EZpass customers.

Still, any proposal to build an interchange at this location will face NIMBY opposition. The locals in the area like being relatively isolated despite relatively close to the city and would prefer to keep it that way.

My preference would be if ORT exists that everything south of 16 is taken in tolls. Would be nice to generate some toll revenue.
You're not going to get it for passenger cars in Rockland County. You might have a chance on the east side of the river.

cl94

Quote from: Alps on October 10, 2016, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 09, 2016, 02:27:42 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 08, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 08, 2016, 02:07:37 PM
15B at the crossing of the Thruway, where 17, 17A & CR 106 meet has always been my top choice for an exit like this. It would reduce traffic through Sloatsburg and Tuxedo on 17 to get to the Faire on 17A and direct access to Harriman State Park

If you don't mind making it slightly easier to shunpike around the Harriman toll it would be easy enough to build this as a free interchange, since it's outside of the ticket system. If you want to add a couple of ramp tolls to prevent that, there is no reason they couldn't do bill by plate for non-EZpass customers.

Still, any proposal to build an interchange at this location will face NIMBY opposition. The locals in the area like being relatively isolated despite relatively close to the city and would prefer to keep it that way.

My preference would be if ORT exists that everything south of 16 is taken in tolls. Would be nice to generate some toll revenue.
You're not going to get it for passenger cars in Rockland County. You might have a chance on the east side of the river.

Please, on the east side, locals use the parkways as it is. Opposition would be minimal.
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NYhwyfan

Quote from: Buffaboy on October 10, 2016, 11:04:43 AM
Erie County:

Between exits 57a/b @ Lakeview Road (diamond preferred)
Between exits 57a and 56 (Southwestern Blvd or Big Tree)
On I-190 at Van Rensselaer St
I-290 at Maple, Parker???

Split diamond between Cayuga and Wehrle

Interchange at Gunnville Road

Interchange at Ransom Road

Youngs Road between exits 50/49

vdeane

Quote from: cl94 on October 10, 2016, 10:53:00 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 10, 2016, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 09, 2016, 02:27:42 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 08, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 08, 2016, 02:07:37 PM
15B at the crossing of the Thruway, where 17, 17A & CR 106 meet has always been my top choice for an exit like this. It would reduce traffic through Sloatsburg and Tuxedo on 17 to get to the Faire on 17A and direct access to Harriman State Park

If you don't mind making it slightly easier to shunpike around the Harriman toll it would be easy enough to build this as a free interchange, since it's outside of the ticket system. If you want to add a couple of ramp tolls to prevent that, there is no reason they couldn't do bill by plate for non-EZpass customers.

Still, any proposal to build an interchange at this location will face NIMBY opposition. The locals in the area like being relatively isolated despite relatively close to the city and would prefer to keep it that way.

My preference would be if ORT exists that everything south of 16 is taken in tolls. Would be nice to generate some toll revenue.
You're not going to get it for passenger cars in Rockland County. You might have a chance on the east side of the river.

Please, on the east side, locals use the parkways as it is. Opposition would be minimal.
This location was actually proposed as part of bid for a casino in the area.  It faced stiff NIMBY opposition who like how the area is a little inaccessible from the Thruway, keeping a more rural character than is common in much of the rest of the area.
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empirestate

Quote from: vdeane on October 11, 2016, 07:49:23 PM
This location was actually proposed as part of bid for a casino in the area.  It faced stiff NIMBY opposition who like how the area is a little inaccessible from the Thruway, keeping a more rural character than is common in much of the rest of the area.

Can't say I don't see their point. I like the same thing about the area I live in.

cl94

I could also see a bunch of environmental issues with having a casino there. Entire area is quite rugged.
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Roadgeek Adam

My issue is that unless you want to drive up 17, it's nearly impossible to get into Harriman without 15A. Harriman State Park is a large park, some kind of access.
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cl94

Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 12, 2016, 08:29:46 PM
My issue is that unless you want to drive up 17, it's nearly impossible to get into Harriman without 15A. Harriman State Park is a large park, some kind of access.

There is. Come in from the Palisades Parkway or head up Seven Lakes Drive. Not like the terrain is great for building an exit in that area. Only place to put it is CR 106 and the Thruway ROW is surrounded by protected land on the east and the Ramapo River on the west side, which is a source of drinking water for Rockland and North Jersey.
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Roadgeek Adam

Quote from: cl94 on October 12, 2016, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 12, 2016, 08:29:46 PM
My issue is that unless you want to drive up 17, it's nearly impossible to get into Harriman without 15A. Harriman State Park is a large park, some kind of access.

There is. Come in from the Palisades Parkway or head up Seven Lakes Drive. Not like the terrain is great for building an exit in that area. Only place to put it is CR 106 and the Thruway ROW is surrounded by protected land on the east and the Ramapo River on the west side, which is a source of drinking water for Rockland and North Jersey.

That's great, but what about drivers coming in from the north. 15A works going northbound, but there are drivers to the south. We're going to make them get off at 16 and then drive for a long distance down to Arden Valley Road then deep into the park onto 7LD? An exit at 17A/106 would be nicer for traffic on 17A and into Harriman from the north.
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M.A. History, Western Illinois University 2015-17
B.A. History, Montclair State University 2013-15
A.A. History & Education - Middlesex (County) College 2009-13



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