New York

[kalvado]

How about they go back to calling it the "Tappan Zee Bridge" on guide signs, but put up a sign at the bridge that says "Gov Mario M Cuomo Tappan Zee Bridge".  After all, the old bridge was the "Gov Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge".

The way Cuomo bridge was slapped to the bridge caused a lot of indigestion. Cleanup is a good idea to prove  that certain tricks should never work.

[lstone19]

How about they go back to calling it the "Tappan Zee Bridge" on guide signs, but put up a sign at the bridge that says "Gov Mario M Cuomo Tappan Zee Bridge".  After all, the old bridge was the "Gov Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge".

The key difference to me is that in this case, the Cuomo name replaced the common name (TZ) rather than being in addition to the common name. Lots of roads and bridges have been renamed to add the name of someone in front of the common name but most people continue to use the common name and largely ignore the added name (e.g. Dewey on the NY Thruway, Shocknessy on the Ohio Turnpike (a name even the Ohio Turnpike itself doesn't use on their website other than on the "About" page).

Here in Illinois, it appears most people have ignored the renaming of three of the tollways with a person or group's name replacing rather than supplementing the common name by just using the number. For instance, the former Northwest Tollway is now the Jane Addams Tollway but except for the tollway itself and traffic reporters, almost everyone I know just calls it I-90. So at least the anecdotal evidence I've seen says the people reject renamings, particularly when they replace a good descriptive name with a name meaningless for navigation.

[roadman65]

The Beachline Expressway in Florida was the Beeline Expressway, but on signs on the side of the road say Martin Anderson Beachline Expressway. No one refers to it as Martin Anderson in any form. Traffic reporters call it the Beachline,  or some call it the Five Twenty-eight.

Ditto for The Spressard L. Holland East- West Expressway in Orlando.  Most call it the four oh eight especially traffic reporters.  Here the East West name isn't even used.

So Mr. Cuomo needs to realize that you can't shove his fathers name on people.  Instead feel grateful the state legislature even named the bridge after him.

[hotdogPi]

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the Five Twenty-eight.
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the four oh eight
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Thread: New York
Topic of discussion: Florida
Dialect: Southern California

[Alps]

Until the name is changed, we won't know, so please end discussion of that topic for now. If there is actual news it can be relevant again. Thanks.

[froggie]

Noticed Google Maps is not doing trip routing onto the loop ramp from EB NY 5/12 to WB NY 840 in Utica.  Is that loop ramp closed?

[cl94]

Noticed Google Maps is not doing trip routing onto the loop ramp from EB NY 5/12 to WB NY 840 in Utica.  Is that loop ramp closed?

Yes. Bridge replacement at that interchange has most of the loop ramps closed.

[baugh17]

Noticed Google Maps is not doing trip routing onto the loop ramp from EB NY 5/12 to WB NY 840 in Utica.  Is that loop ramp closed?

Yes. Bridge replacement at that interchange has most of the loop ramps closed.

The only loop ramp that *IS* open is NY 840 east to NY 5 east/NY 8 and NY 12 north.

[froggie]

Good to know, thx.

[Buffaboy]

With the incoming governor hailing from Hamburg, I wonder if we might see renewed activity in a US 219 extension, AKA "Continental One".

Or is it still a pipe dream?

[Rothman]

With the incoming governor hailing from Hamburg, I wonder if we might see renewed activity in a US 219 extension, AKA "Continental One".

Or is it still a pipe dream?

I really wonder if she has developed a personal agenda.  I would think she's having a hard enough time getting on top of what's going on to start pursuing new initiatives...yet.

[webny99]

The fact that the section from Springville to Peters Rd. was completed makes me think it's more than a pipe dream... but still a long ways from reality.

If it was ever completed, it would be a great alternate to Allegany Park, even from Rochester.

[seicer]

The plans are there - isn't it just awaiting funding?

[Rothman]

US 219 is sitting in the same limbo as I-86.  The long-ago projects were all lumped together as "Statewide Significant" projects that were all put on hold as NYSDOT shifted to Preservation First.

[snowc]

US 219 is sitting in the same limbo as I-86.  The long-ago projects were all lumped together as "Statewide Significant" projects that were all put on hold as NYSDOT shifted to Preservation First.

and I-86 seems to be the slowest of all highway projects to be completed.
Look at this

Shoulder is wide here. But...

It isn't wide at all here
Why is that?

[Rothman]

NYSDOT's just messin' with you.

[vdeane]

I would think we'd be more likely to see significant public-visible changes if Hochul wins re-election rather than immediately.  I imagine she's busy enough without trying to put together a transportation vision.  Short term, I'd expect more from the I-86 upgrade if some of these highway projects were revived, as it has momentum with the widening PEL study and a bit of a political push to move things forward, at least on the eastern side.  Schumer is interested in the project too.  US 219 is less significant, though maybe it would get something.  The next project to Snake Run Road was on the STIP pre-Cuomo.

[Roadgeek Adam]

There is exactly zero chance 219 gets extended south of 242. Once you hit 242, there's a major problem with bulldozing hills and Section 4F. Then there's the Reservation, who will be opposed.

Not opposed to an extension south to 242, but it's still going to be 219 all the way from Ellicottville to Salamanca by 2 lane road.

[froggie]

Are the Seneca on record as being opposed?

On an unrelated note, I got gas there (Salamanca) this morning.  2.989.

[webny99]

Are the Seneca on record as being opposed?

I'm not sure about opposition to the project as a whole, but I believe there was some sort of negotiation that resulted in a diamond interchange with I-86 being proposed instead of a standard freeway-freeway connection.

[cl94]

Are the Seneca on record as being opposed?

On record? I dunno. That being said, knowing their relationship with the state, there is a very low chance of it happening. Remember how long it took to reconstruct 17 and the Thruway through their territory. They're still quite annoyed that the state broke their casino monopoly.

[vdeane]

Are the Seneca on record as being opposed?

On record? I dunno. That being said, knowing their relationship with the state, there is a very low chance of it happening. Remember how long it took to reconstruct 17 and the Thruway through their territory. They're still quite annoyed that the state broke their casino monopoly.

Among other things.  The reason there are no tenth mile markers on I-86 through the reservation is because they got annoyed with the fact that the agreement to build the road says "route 17", not I-86, even though it's the same road.  There's still the dispute over having the Thruway pay them a toll for every car passing through the reservation (which makes zero sense; basically, they just think they took a bad deal and can just get out of it because they don't like it, much like the Shinnecock do with treating Sunrise Highway as if it passes through their reservation, even though it doesn't).  And the money they're supposed to pay to Niagara Falls for their casino (apparently they really, really don't know how contracts work under US law...).  And state taxes on cigarettes.  And they don't like how NY abandoned former NY 17 through the reservation and want the state to pay to replace a bridge that they use but which has been technically closed for decades.  And they want all road work and whatnot to be done by their people, not the state's, even for things that we'd normally use in-house crews for.  And probably even more things than I can think of.  And they're happy to re-open negotiations on all of it whenever anything comes up, which is why re-paving the Thruway took so long; the state wanted a narrow agreement pertaining to that one project and only that one project, and the Seneca Nation wanted a broad agreement covering everything transportation-related that they ever had a grievance over, even things far outside the Thruway's jurisdiction.

For this reason, the US 219 backers would actually like the remainder of the freeway to be built from I-86 north, just to get the reservation part over with while things seem to be at least possible (though hard) to do.

So in short: I'm sure the Seneca Nation would be more than willing to get the road built through their land... but such would very likely have strings attached that the state would consider to be deal-breakers, especially with what little push there is for the US 219 upgrade right now.

[Rothman]

Red House Bridge is much more complicated.  As tribal leadership changes, so does their position (imagine that).  Region 5 has gotten close to actually doing the project even with all the add-ons the Seneca desired (the history is pretty ugly and damning, so NYSDOT has been more open to demands)...only to have things fall apart due to a leadership change.  I believe it was removed from the capital program altogether.

[cl94]

Isn't part of the problem with the Red House Bridge that the Seneca want the state to take over the old alignment and rebuild the bridge, but tack on a thru traffic restriction?

[Rothman]

Isn't part of the problem with the Red House Bridge that the Seneca want the state to take over the old alignment and rebuild the bridge, but tack on a thru traffic restriction?

I have no idea what the current demands are.