New York

[Alps]

Not to overquote: If NYSTA does not change exit numbers, the FHWA could pressure NYS into losing Federal dollars unless they force NYSTA's hand. This has been mentioned for other agencies as well in my experience, but it's all conjecture for now.

If I recall a while back, isn't that what happened with the NJ Turnpike Authority to force compliance with BGS design practices?

No. They wanted to improve MUTCD compliance.

Alps, I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like we're saying the same thing.

You were saying, or I read as such, that FHWA was forcing NJTA's hand. I was replying that NJTA was doing so on their own accord.

[mariethefoxy]

finally some relief for us Long Islanders, the Northern State Parkway repave in Suffolk is underway, they have it milled and such, in spots revealing the original concrete. Still I wonder why they didn't just keep the concrete? Sunrise Highway has concrete pavement and it still holds up and doesn't end up with the same amount of damage the asphalt roads do.

[Roadgeek Adam]

NYSTA: We don't want to convert the numbers, so we'll just get rid of exit numbers in general.

NYSTA a week later: We'll keep the numbers, but we're getting rid of all exits.

NYSTA a month later: What's this about cars being unable to leave the Thruway?

[seicer]

I'm curious as to why some of the old concrete has held up so well. The Thruway west of Syracuse was rebuilt ... 10 years ago (?) but is already failing at the joints. Meanwhile, I-495 on Long Island is still pressing on with original concrete that's 40 years old, and there are other highways in the state with concrete that's well outlasting what I would have expected in such a salt heavy state. Would it be the type of concrete used?

[cl94]

I'm curious as to why some of the old concrete has held up so well. The Thruway west of Syracuse was rebuilt ... 10 years ago (?) but is already failing at the joints. Meanwhile, I-495 on Long Island is still pressing on with original concrete that's 40 years old, and there are other highways in the state with concrete that's well outlasting what I would have expected in such a salt heavy state. Would it be the type of concrete used?

Climate and relative lack of salt use. It's warmer on Long Island and they limit the use of salt down there due to water quality concerns. The section of the Thruway in question is in a lake effect snow belt and NYSTA is excessive with their use of salt.

[seicer]

Gotcha. Even in "low salt" areas around the Finger Lakes and Adirondacks, they were piling it on. It's seriously harming the ecology of some lakes. I wish we had a better solution, but I suspect it would be to revert to the days of carrying chains and using studded snow tires - and be politically unpopular.

[Rothman]

I don't know. There was additional work done on the Thruway west of Syracuse just a couple of years ago.  Something seems amiss there.

And then you have the I-690 interchange work that is taking forever...

And then the rest area $200m debacle...

[seicer]

I traveled the length of the Erie Canal and frequented the service areas (to sleep, eat, etc.). The new plazas are nice - and the ones that are larger are... much more spacious. I don't think they are places where you'd hang out for a long time doing work on your laptop, but I saw a few people doing just that at night in one of the many comfortable lounge chairs. The smallest of the service areas are awful, though. Very cramped interiors, tiny restrooms... and generally overcrowded for being the least used. Maybe it was because others were out of commission, but still.

I wish more of the plazas would have showers. I think 2 will have them.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/JssU1putE33w2p5j8
Finally got rid of the sine salad I see.

https://goo.gl/maps/6J89JS4CBoYizT8C7
This was what was there originally.

[Roadgeek Adam]

https://goo.gl/maps/JssU1putE33w2p5j8
Finally got rid of the sine salad I see.

https://goo.gl/maps/6J89JS4CBoYizT8C7
This was what was there originally.

Given there is too much information there in the first one (have been under that sign many times), it's a good decision.

You have to look at what's easier to read at XX mph. Less is more.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/JssU1putE33w2p5j8
Finally got rid of the sine salad I see.

https://goo.gl/maps/6J89JS4CBoYizT8C7
This was what was there originally.

Given there is too much information there in the first one (have been under that sign many times), it's a good decision.

You have to look at what's easier to read at XX mph. Less is more.

Oh I'm glad.  I'm surprised that either NYSDOT or NYSTA finally figured it out. Plus adding Binghamton is a good idea as Middletown was fine, but many are destined for Binghamton and it should be used.

In fact it should be used with Harriman on the Thruway Exit 16 guides heading NB.

[D-Dey65]

Do you people know where else bridges for the Appalachian Trail are needed? The Palisades Interstate Parkway south of the Visitor's Center, Bookstore, and former gas station.

Southbound Lanes:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2838639,-74.0281499,3a,75y,197.9h,90.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCKpLc03Dz8xdv9V8q2Ia8w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Northbound Lanes:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2801954,-74.0296056,3a,37.5y,15.08h,89.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snxRzaKefw2eZjMRmiIPXIQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Crossing according to GSV:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2822594,-74.028683,434m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

You can't have hikers trying to dodge speeding cars on the PIP.  I keep thinking of a land bridge or two similar to what you have with the Cross Florida Greenway over I-75 between Marion Oaks and Ocala.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/jz3tFkgoiLqvqN8Y6
Actual trail as you can see it drop down to grade.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/TjfZcfoBwz8FFrgS6
The bigger problem is where the NB left merge is from US 6 and  7 Lakes Drive. If one heading North on 7 Lakes wants to continue on 7 Lakes, has to weave across the two lanes of the PIP.

There is not much room between the left merge and the right exit to do it one lane at a time, so it's a drastic crossing to undertake.

[froggie]

That may have been the location at one point, but no longer.  According to the AT themselves, the crossing is at the Anthony Wayne overpass, albeit "temporarily" until "a permanent route is determined by State Park staff."

[D-Dey65]

https://goo.gl/maps/TjfZcfoBwz8FFrgS6
The bigger problem is where the NB left merge is from US 6 and  7 Lakes Drive. If one heading North on 7 Lakes wants to continue on 7 Lakes, has to weave across the two lanes of the PIP.

There is not much room between the left merge and the right exit to do it one lane at a time, so it's a drastic crossing to undertake.

Hey, I think I've brought up this subject before too. I've always felt there should be some kind of reconstruction in that area.

[storm2k]

Do you people know where else bridges for the Appalachian Trail are needed? The Palisades Interstate Parkway south of the Visitor's Center, Bookstore, and former gas station.

Southbound Lanes:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2838639,-74.0281499,3a,75y,197.9h,90.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCKpLc03Dz8xdv9V8q2Ia8w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Northbound Lanes:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2801954,-74.0296056,3a,37.5y,15.08h,89.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snxRzaKefw2eZjMRmiIPXIQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Crossing according to GSV:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2822594,-74.028683,434m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

You can't have hikers trying to dodge speeding cars on the PIP.  I keep thinking of a land bridge or two similar to what you have with the Cross Florida Greenway over I-75 between Marion Oaks and Ocala.

That's a pretty yikes idea as a hiker as cars routinely exceed the 55 posted speed up and down the PIP. Plus, you can see those taut wire style guiderails on both sides of the parkway without an easy place to get around them as a hiker.

[02 Park Ave]

Google Maps currently is showing the northern portion of the PIP, US 6 in that area, US 9W from Cornwall down passed the Bear Mountain Bridge, the Bridge itself, NY 32 around the Thruway overpass, all of NY 218 from Cornwall southward, and, over in Westchester, the Goat Trail all closed.

I doubt if the Storm King Highway portion of NY 218 will reopen this year.

[Roadgeek Adam]

Given 218 is missing a section that would need to be rebuilt, guaranteed we won't see it open until 2024.

[02 Park Ave]

Given 218 is missing a section that would need to be rebuilt, guaranteed we won't see it open until 2024.

From pictures I have now seen, I think that it has been destroyed.  A part of the mountain it was built on is gone.

[Roadgeek Adam]

They can probably support it. Not gonna be simple though with the eroded side of the mountain. Considering West Point is nearby, wouldn't surprise me if USACE gets involved.

[Rothman]

They can probably support it. Not gonna be simple though with the eroded side of the mountain. Considering West Point is nearby, wouldn't surprise me if USACE gets involved.

USACE really only gets involved with bridges over navigable waterways.

Given NY 218 was only a seasonal road that was already problematic due to rock falls, as well as the other devastation from the storms (e.g., NY 28 near Long Lake), it'll be interesting to see what NYSDOT does with it, if anything.

[LilianaUwU]

I've seen pictures of the damage, and all I can say is "still in better shape than Québec's roads".

[Jim]

If it was on I-95 in South Carolina, it probably wouldn't even warrant a "rough road" warning sign.

I drove that section several years back and enjoyed it, but it does seem unlikely to be a top priority to get it reopened end-to-end any time soon.

[74/171FAN]

Personally, if NY 218 does not get rebuilt, I guess it would get partially decommissioned meaning that I would not have to clinch the damaged section.