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Title: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on April 22, 2011, 07:29:44 PM
Figured I'd create a general Kentucky thread like some other states have.

Anyway, what's the point of the new-terrain KY 680 south of Harold (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.5124&lon=-82.6551&zoom=14&layers=M)? I assume it's pork, but even pork usually has a purpose. Is it just pure economic development with no real expectation of through traffic, like this article (http://www.floydcountytimes.com/view/full_story/2042157/article-Minnie-Harold-connector-gets-jump-start) implies? Or is it intended as a shortcut from KY 80 to Pikeville (I guess part of the "I-66" corridor)?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 23, 2011, 11:16:24 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 22, 2011, 07:29:44 PM
Figured I'd create a general Kentucky thread like some other states have.

Anyway, what's the point of the new-terrain KY 680 south of Harold (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.5124&lon=-82.6551&zoom=14&layers=M)? I assume it's pork, but even pork usually has a purpose. Is it just pure economic development with no real expectation of through traffic, like this article (http://www.floydcountytimes.com/view/full_story/2042157/article-Minnie-Harold-connector-gets-jump-start) implies? Or is it intended as a shortcut from KY 80 to Pikeville (I guess part of the "I-66" corridor)?

There is already a fairly new KY 680 from KY 80 to KY 122 in the McDowell area. When this is completed, it will be a shortcut to Pikeville. It will come out on US 23 just north of the Pike/Floyd county line. It won't be part of the I-66 corridor, and the linked story is the first I'd ever heard that the route will eventually be four lanes.

Long story as to why it's not yet finished, and the first part from US 23 west just opened to traffic last year. There is a part beyond that where the grade work is mostly done but paving hasn't been started yet. And as much as I like road project for rural Kentucky, I must say i agree with the reason this one was delayed.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on April 24, 2011, 01:33:38 AM
Ah, here we go:
Quote from: http://transportation.ky.gov/progperform/Bull%202000-04/12-301_10.htmThis proposed highway is one link in the Garrett to Harold Highway that will provide a needed connector from KY 80 near Garrett to US 23 at Harold.

When I mentioned I-66 I didn't mean that it would be part of I-66, but that it will serve as part of the best route across southern Kentucky to Beckley while I-66 waits in the meat locker.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on April 24, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
There appear to be duplicate KY 2390s in Laurel and Metcalfe Counties. I guess someone screwed up when assigning numbers.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 24, 2011, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 24, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
There appear to be duplicate KY 2390s in Laurel and Metcalfe Counties. I guess someone screwed up when assigning numbers.

You seeing this on a map somewhere? Might be a typo somewhere...
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on April 25, 2011, 01:07:39 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 24, 2011, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 24, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
There appear to be duplicate KY 2390s in Laurel and Metcalfe Counties. I guess someone screwed up when assigning numbers.

You seeing this on a map somewhere? Might be a typo somewhere...
In the SPRS listings. Same for 3215 in Lawrence and Owen Counties - and both of those are signed:
*Lawrence County (http://maps.google.com/maps?sll=38.572159,-84.908652&sspn=0.028016,0.082397&ll=38.069649,-82.681088&spn=0.028076,0.082397&t=k&z=15&layer=c&cbll=38.069633,-82.68121&panoid=4tLa37TQszwf8oFLUhqS2w&cbp=12,89.62,,0,10.03)
*Owen County (http://maps.google.com/maps?sll=38.069649,-82.681217&sspn=0.028211,0.066047&ll=38.529905,-84.870372&spn=0.027898,0.082397&t=k&z=15&layer=c&cbll=38.529806,-84.870523&panoid=Irtw77f2KoiVgC_Pqc-ZtQ&cbp=12,39.07,,0,3.89)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Alex on May 18, 2011, 03:59:14 PM
While trying to find info on the Natcher Parkway extension east from Interstate 65 to U.S. 231, I stumbled across this chamber of commerce site advocating numbering the parkway to Interstate 165 (http://gotransportation.net/highway_plans_&_projects/i-66_65_spur):

QuoteMuch like I-69 and the Audubon Parkway, the building of I-66 to within 25 miles of Owensboro presents an excellent chance to upgrade the Natcher Parkway to an Interstate spur. The question is whether the Natcher should be upgraded to an I-66 or I-65 spur.

I-65 is the third busiest north-south Interstate in the U.S. and already connects to the Natcher Parkway southwest of Bowling Green. While I-66 planning continues, perhaps the best idea is to convert the entire 65 miles of the Natcher Parkway to an Interstate spur between Owensboro and Bowling Green.

Again, the Chamber of Commerce has been working on this project. As with the Audubon Parkway/I-69 spur, the Chamber is working with Kentucky's Congressional delegation to sponsor a bill that would designate the Natcher Parkway as a future Interstate spur.



Meanwhile, it is still hard to find info on the Natcher Parkway extension from Interstate 65 east to U.S. 231. Found this article from last summer:

Interchange construction means blocks (http://www.bgdailynews.com/articles/2010/07/26/news/news2.txt)

QuoteMeanwhile, work is continuing on the 2.5-mile extension of the parkway in the Plano area.

Many people apparently thought Natcher was going over Plano Road.

"But actually Plano Road will go up and over the Natcher,"  Meredith said, noting the crews are starting to bring up the embankments on both sides of the bridge.

That bridge will have a single stop point for the interchange [SPUI].

QuoteCarter said traffic has already been switched onto a new section of about 1,500 feet of Dye Ford Road that changed where the road intersects with Scottsville Road [US 231].

Carter said crews have already set the beams for the Plano Road bridge and should begin setting the forms to pour the concrete bridge deck in the next month.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on May 18, 2011, 07:44:01 PM
Here's what I could get from 2010 NAIP aerials: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.9096&lon=-86.41786&zoom=15&layers=M
I suspect the ramp to I-65 north will be replaced by a loop, but couldn't see any definite evidence of grading.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 23, 2011, 08:01:34 AM
Hey HB, do you know what's up with this new highway being built parallel to US-60/231 just East of Owensboro? http://g.co/maps/y3ydy  Are they going to be building a new bypass to connect to the Wendel Ford Bypass utilizing this new section of highway?

I also noticed that they have built a new road that intersects the bypass at-grade with traffic lights (http://g.co/maps/jqwdp).  I also looked at the Davis SPRS map and noticed it's got the designation of KY-603.  Do you know if the route is posted in the field, or is it hidden?  This PDF (http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/State%20Primary%20Road%20System%20Lists/Daviess.pdf) mentions it got it's number on September 12th of this year (Page 12).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on October 23, 2011, 08:10:54 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 23, 2011, 08:01:34 AM
Hey HB, do you know what's up with this new highway being built parallel to US-60/231 just East of Owensboro? http://g.co/maps/y3ydy  Are they going to be building a new bypass to connect to the Wendel Ford Bypass utilizing this new section of highway?

Map on page 112: http://transportation.ky.gov/Construction-Procurement/Proposals/107-DAVIESS-11-1324.pdf
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 23, 2011, 11:16:59 AM
I was in Owensboro back in the spring and that road that intersects the bypass at that at-grade intersection was not yet open to traffic. They are extending the bypass east to go around that developed section of US 60 east of town. Remember that the state gave US 60 inside the two ends of the existing bypass back to the city and routed the US 60 mainline along the bypass.

A new hospital is being built (you can see it on the Google Maps aerials) and it's possible the new route was built to serve the hospital.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Grzrd on January 19, 2012, 07:20:13 AM
Here is the 2012 Recommended Highway Plan (http://transportation.ky.gov/program-Management/pages/2012-recommended-highway-plan.aspx) in case someone wants some light reading.

EDIT

This article summarizes the highlights of the plan: (http://www.wlky.com/r/30253099/detail.html)

Quote

Notable provisions include:

-Louisville-Southern Indiana Ohio River Bridges Project
The governor's plan funds the project in the next biennium with a combination of federal Interstate Maintenance (IM) and National Highway System (NH) funds and proceeds from previously authorized sales of GARVEE (Grant Anticipated Revenue Vehicle) bonds. IM and NH outlays each would be $25 million per year. GARVEE funds would provide $236 million, most of which would be spent in the coming biennium. In the four "out"  years, FY 2015 through FY 2018, IM and NH outlays would continue at the same annual level, but toll revenue bonds would be sold to produce $846.2 million over the period.

-Mountain Parkway — Widening from Campton to Salyersville
The governor's plan provides just under $80 million toward the long-awaited four-laning of the parkway through Wolfe, Morgan and Magoffin counties. That includes more than $8.5 million for design, $6.8 million for right of way acquisition and utility relocation and $64.5 million for construction.

-Appalachian Development Highway Corridors
The governor's plan provides $269.3 million of federal Appalachian Development (APD) funding to complete construction of the U.S. 460 corridor in Pike County. The project involves relocating U.S. 460 from U.S. 23 to the Virginia line. In Letcher County, the governor's plan provides $152.8 million of APD funds toward completion of the "Valley Floor"  section of the U.S. 119 corridor. The project area extends from Partridge to Oven Fork.

-I-65 — Widening to six lanes
The governor's plan provides $491.4 million over six years to complete the widening of I-65 in Barren, Hart, LaRue and Hardin counties. When completed, the heavily traveled corridor will be six lanes wide from the Tennessee border to the Ohio River at Louisville.

-Land Between the Lakes Bridges and U.S. 68 widening
The Governor's plan follows through on a commitment to economic development in western Kentucky by providing $330 million of construction funds for new bridges over Lake Barkley and Kentucky Lake — key elements in the completion of a four-lane corridor from Mayfield to Bowling Green. The plan also provides $75.9 million toward related projects; the widening of U.S. 68 in Trigg County and four-laning of the existing Cadiz bypass.

-I-69
Following through on the agreement that brought an I-69 designation to western Kentucky, the governor's plan allocates $146.6 million through 2018 for improvements in the corridor — mainly reconstruction of seven state parkway interchanges to bring them up to interstate highway standards. The interchanges are in Henderson, Webster, Hopkins, Marshall and Graves counties. In October, Beshear and Federal Highway Administrator Victor Mendez unveiled one of the distinctive red, white and blue shields, creating 55 miles of I-69 from a 38-mile section of the Wendell H. Ford Western Kentucky Parkway and 17 miles of the present I-24. I-69 will eventually run from the Ohio River at Henderson to the Tennessee border at Fulton, tracing a portion of I-24 and sections of three state parkways — the Edward T. Breathitt Pennyrile Parkway, the Ford Western Kentucky and Julian Carroll Purchase Parkway.

-Newtown Pike Extension — Lexington
The recommended highway plan provides $41.5 million toward completion of the Newtown Pike Extension Project to Broadway in downtown Lexington. The project will result in a corridor from the University of Kentucky campus to I-64/75, north of Lexington, which will greatly reduce downtown traffic congestion while creating a visually appealing gateway to the city.

-I-71 and I-75 — Northern Kentucky
The recommended highway plan provides $72.6 million toward reconstruction of interchanges at KY 536 (Mount Zion Road) and KY 338 (Richwood Road) in Boone County. It also provides $24.7 million for added auxiliary lanes, both north- and southbound, on a 1.5-mile stretch of I-71/I-75 from Mount Zion Road to U.S. 42. The plan also allocates nearly $119 million through 2018, including $58.8 million through the biennium, toward the project to build a companion bridge to the Brent Spence Bridge, which currently carries I-71 and I-75 over the Ohio River between Covington and Cincinnati.

-KY 15 — Perry County
The governor's plan provides $78.3 million toward widening 3-and-a-half miles of KY 15 to four lanes from Bonnyman to the Hazard Bypass.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 20, 2012, 04:20:54 PM
I saw also a proposed new corridor between Elizabethtown and Fort Knox on the District 4 map, is it a planned reroute of US-31W?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 20, 2012, 05:32:56 PM
No, it's additional access to Fort Knox made necessary because of the BRAC proposals (Base Realignment and Closure) that is projected to increase the number of people living and working in the area.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ShawnP on June 11, 2012, 09:56:07 AM
Here's the as enacted plan.

First of all congrats to Kentucky for putting I-65 six lanes project to the forefront. The stretch between E-Town and Bowling Green has been the scene of some horrific cross overs thru the years. Kentucky didn't bite on Scotty's offer but went with pay go. Looks like the final money goes in 2018 with 2020 finishing timeframe. Slow but I see Kentucky's thought pattern.

I-64 widening between Louisville and Lexington took a hit as one stretch fell off (MP 28-32....easily upgradeable...) but they kept a further east bridge widening project.

I-75 has a widening project in Eastern Kentucky (MP 55-69).

Mountain Parkway has their widening on line.

Brent Spence takes a big bite and so does the Louisville Bridges project.

Overall not bad as Kentucky has the two big dogs in BS and LBP eating up hundreds of millions of dollars in funding.

http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Pages/2012-Highway-Plan.aspx
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: codyg1985 on December 19, 2012, 04:17:36 PM
I just found that KY 79 southern terminus is essentially where US 79's northern terminus at Russellville, KY. KY 79 runs north through Morgantown, Caneyville, and Brandenburg before crossing the Ohio River, where it becomes IN 135. This sign assembly (http://goo.gl/maps/tKQqu) also makes it all the more interesting. I wonder if KYTC was suggesting that KY 79 be a continuation of US 79?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 19, 2012, 08:45:52 PM
Unless something's changed. US 79 and KY 79 do not intersect.

Currently, US 79's northern terminus is at the southwestern end of the Russellville bypass, at US 431. If you are coming north on US 79, at the bypass you can turn left onto US 431 north or go straight on US 431 south. Formerly, there was a wrong-way concurrency of US 79 north and US 431 south, then US 431 turned right and US 79 continued straight, to end at Business US 68 near the intersection with KY 100.

KY 79's southern terminus is at Business US 431 north of the downtown Russellville area and north of Business US 68. See map at http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/SPRS%20Maps/Russellville_city.pdf

US 79 and KY 79 never intersected, although there used to be a sign assembly that indicated otherwise. It was located at South Main and East 9th.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.millenniumhwy.net%2Finterestingsigns%2Fky%2FUS-KY79.jpg&hash=be8f88312c8015614c45d8931c048594f98a46d8)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on January 24, 2013, 11:48:55 PM
I am trying to find out how many miles is US 60 in Kentucky.  Wikipedia and other pages google brings up, does not say.  I was wondering if anyone every calculated it, as its run along with I-64 east of Louisville is almost 200 miles, so I figure its alignment west of Louisville is more than 200 miles and overall must be near 500 miles, I would guess.

Also, is US 60 Kentucky's longest continuous route, or is KY 80 hold that title?

Any information would be helpful.  Either own information or a website that does log mileages in each state for US routes.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 25, 2013, 09:40:21 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2013, 11:48:55 PM
I am trying to find out how many miles is US 60 in Kentucky.  Wikipedia and other pages google brings up, does not say.  I was wondering if anyone every calculated it, as its run along with I-64 east of Louisville is almost 200 miles, so I figure its alignment west of Louisville is more than 200 miles and overall must be near 500 miles, I would guess.

Also, is US 60 Kentucky's longest continuous route, or is KY 80 hold that title?

Any information would be helpful.  Either own information or a website that does log mileages in each state for US routes.

I don't know if there is a page on KYTC's site that has total route mileage or not, but it would be possible to calculate the total mileage using the SPRS listings available on the "Maps" page. You'd have to call up the SPRS listing for each county the route runs through and do the math, but that's one way to get the information.

http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Pages/State-Primary-Road-System-Maps.aspx
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on January 25, 2013, 05:24:34 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 25, 2013, 09:40:21 AM
I don't know if there is a page on KYTC's site that has total route mileage or not, but it would be possible to calculate the total mileage using the SPRS listings available on the "Maps" page. You'd have to call up the SPRS listing for each county the route runs through and do the math, but that's one way to get the information.
But that wouldn't include overlaps with lower-numbered routes, would it? (Not that there's much of that on US 60.)

Really, the easiest way is the Goog (487 miles): http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=US-51+S%2FUS-60+E%2FUS-62+E%2FGreat+River+Rd&daddr=37.0775198,-88.955916+to:37.5852558,-87.9670544+to:37.7610299,-87.1615182+to:37.7747441,-87.079828+to:38.2089609,-85.7982739+to:38.2328714,-85.7912156+to:38.2582474,-85.7840229+to:38.2549458,-85.754376+to:38.2539574,-85.7249068+to:38.2025117,-84.8494669+to:38.147204,-84.7954469+to:37.9956589,-84.175814+to:38.028788,-84.0598079+to:38.4388232,-82.6821852+to:38.4820953,-82.6447225+to:35th+St%2FCs-1027&hl=en&ll=38.407464,-82.590923&spn=0.122679,0.264187&sll=38.472507,-82.634912&sspn=0.030642,0.066047&geocode=Fa1wNAIdv7Kv-g%3BFQ_CNQId9KOy-imNTg5tNe55iDEcpQuub3nbUA%3BFWeBPQIdsrrB-imxYHcHrGlwiDFv6L60hIjEgw%3BFQUwQAIdUgXO-ikLIGMo6LlviDFgaewdoAspGA%3BFZhlQAIdbETP-ik_9-RbCrBviDHUaIKf5Rarrw%3BFcAFRwIdf9Li-iljcGiU-hJpiDET9r0ZkqETHA%3BFSdjRwIdEe7i-im9_nbEyBJpiDFnLWPNv_5mlQ%3BFUfGRwIdKgrj-ilbvWgYQW1piDH0AQdqJSu28w%3BFWG5RwId-H3j-imlZgZxu3JpiDFCsE4zq_LPwA%3BFYW1RwIdFvHj-inlkxdbJ3NpiDFhFBv0SheSOA%3BFY_sRgIdxkzx-im1dqJsU3NCiDHu_bWfnBfwCA%3BFYQURgIdyh_y-ikHOkzAQnJCiDGIt5AJZ_-7AA%3BFYrEQwIdOpT7-iktoMAlBa5DiDH42n-KRxhDWg%3BFfRFRAIdYVn9-ilLoEfb4rpDiDEG5n13kbdVtA%3BFaeHSgIdt14S-yk3fqGBMXZGiDE0c_ofjx8HAw%3BFa8wSwIdDvES-ykjHR4PIXRGiDGg2RM-RVS2Sg%3BFbQBSgIdk68T-w&gl=us&dirflg=h&mra=dpe&mrsp=15&sz=15&via=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15&t=m&z=13

This jibes well with the 487.2 miles I get when combining the OSM ways in JOSM.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 25, 2013, 07:22:55 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 25, 2013, 05:24:34 PM
But that wouldn't include overlaps with lower-numbered routes, would it? (Not that there's much of that on US 60.)

You'd be surprised. It enters with US 51, then overlaps US 45 in Paducah, US 41A in Henderson, US 31W and US 31E from Fort Knox to east of downtown Louisville, US 42 in Louisville, US 27 and US 25 in Lexington and US 23 in Ashland. The 31W overlap is probably around 30 miles or so.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ShawnP on January 30, 2013, 06:23:57 PM
Went thru yesterday and the six lane project is moving along between MM28 and MM32 on I-64. Leaves one project to go to close the Waddy gap as I like to call it between the six lane projects on I-64.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: codyg1985 on February 02, 2013, 10:19:25 PM
How long has Kentucky been using the Flashing Yellow Arrow? I noticed quite a few installations of it along US 231/Scottsville Rd in Bowling Green. There was also a three-section FYA along US 31W northbound at the new South Warren Middle School. If I find the answer among the many pages of the FYA thread, I will update this post.

EDIT: According to HB, they started popping up in Frankfort around 2010ish (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2983.msg66694;topicseen#msg66694).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: amroad17 on February 03, 2013, 06:18:21 AM
There is one at KY 17 and Hands Pike in between Covington and Independence that has been around for at least three years.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 03, 2013, 02:24:01 PM
http://www.kentucky.com/2013/02/02/2500783/after-millions-of-dollars-i-66.html

There are so many things wrong in this story that I don't have time to list them all. Suffice it to say that the Lexington Birdcage Liner just uses the story as another excuse to do a hatchet job on Ernie Fletcher and Bill Nighbert, with a few jabs at Hal Rogers thrown in for good measure.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on February 03, 2013, 04:07:30 PM
Just pretend they're talking about Carl Rogers.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on December 15, 2013, 12:05:25 AM
You can follow much of the Corridor Q construction on the Goog: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.363131,-82.460761&spn=0.027663,0.056691&t=k&z=15&layer=c&cbll=37.362762,-82.461164&panoid=uyqOBp1fI-y00xAECtPh4g&cbp=12,124.31,,0,11.81
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 15, 2013, 10:26:16 AM
I'm surprised the Street View vehicles drove Wolfpit Branch. That is one of the most remote areas I've ever seen photographed.

Our meet tour crossed that bridge. We didn't stop, but some of the folks paused to get some photos.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on June 21, 2014, 02:31:54 PM
A couple of general KY questions, as I now primarily work in the Lexington area and am being reacquainted with it:

* Billboard regulations:  I always thought billboards had to be located no less than 500' from interstate ROW (and I don't ever recall seeing any billboards along KY Parkways).  But just north of London along 75, there are a whole bunch of billboards a lot closer than 500'.  I think there is a similar situation on 64 just east of Cannonsburg.  Do county regulations trump state regulations regarding billboards?

* Reflectors:  I've always been a reflector geek at heart since I tend to do a lot of driving at night.  It seems KY is now using what I consider to be a "new old" style of reflector.  They've gone back to the old rectangular divots, but they're about 1.5 times longer than before, tapered at both ends, and contain (2) standard snowplowable reflectors spaced about 6-9" apart.  The result is just about the brightest reflector I've ever seen, and since they're combining two distinct snowplow-proofing techniques, they might just last as long as the pavement itself.  So far I've seen these on a stretch of I-75 b/w north of KY 418 and Man O' War, I-64 in Bath Co near Owingsville, US 27 in the Camp Nelson area (can't remember if N or S of the Kentucky River bridge), and I think the most recently completed 6-lane widened portion of I-75 b/w Lexington and Cincinnati (Williamstown area probably).

Overall I think KY's roads have certainly improved by leaps and bounds since 10 years ago when I last had to drive around there for work.  Better signage, more resilient pavement with periodic crack sealing (annoying to look at but it's a proven method), a higher speed limit (they were 65 till 2007 I believe), and excellent media reps who ought to be paid more!
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: billtm on June 21, 2014, 04:42:23 PM
Two questions:
1. Why does Kentucky have so many state highways?
2. Why doesn't Kentucky sign all of its state highways?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on June 21, 2014, 06:31:27 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on June 21, 2014, 02:31:54 PM
A couple of general KY questions, as I now primarily work in the Lexington area and am being reacquainted with it:

Welcome back to the Bluegrass.

Quote* Billboard regulations:  I always thought billboards had to be located no less than 500' from interstate ROW (and I don't ever recall seeing any billboards along KY Parkways).  But just north of London along 75, there are a whole bunch of billboards a lot closer than 500'.  I think there is a similar situation on 64 just east of Cannonsburg.  Do county regulations trump state regulations regarding billboards?

Federal regs trump all, especially on interstates. There was a big controversy about a billboard with a religious message on I-65 a few years ago. A private landowner erected the billboard but the state still made them take it down. There are billboards on some of the parkways.


Quote* Reflectors:  I've always been a reflector geek at heart since I tend to do a lot of driving at night.  It seems KY is now using what I consider to be a "new old" style of reflector.  They've gone back to the old rectangular divots, but they're about 1.5 times longer than before, tapered at both ends, and contain (2) standard snowplowable reflectors spaced about 6-9" apart.  The result is just about the brightest reflector I've ever seen, and since they're combining two distinct snowplow-proofing techniques, they might just last as long as the pavement itself.  So far I've seen these on a stretch of I-75 b/w north of KY 418 and Man O' War, I-64 in Bath Co near Owingsville, US 27 in the Camp Nelson area (can't remember if N or S of the Kentucky River bridge), and I think the most recently completed 6-lane widened portion of I-75 b/w Lexington and Cincinnati (Williamstown area probably).

I'm not sure about the new installation method. The long groove into which the reflectors are installed was done years ago, but they went away from that technique. I haven't been on those roads you mentioned to see the new installation method, and I think that section of I-75 you mentioned has been recently repaved.

Kentucky has gone away from reflectors on two-lane routes. They did a study that said they were not a significant factor in reducing accidents so now they are not putting them on two-lanes anymore.


Quoteexcellent media reps who ought to be paid more!

I would agree with that statement.  :clap:
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on July 23, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
Ok so I had to make a run to Corbin this afternoon to meet a co-worker coming up from Knoxville with material for a project I'm gonna work on late tonight.  As I'm coming back up 75 to Lexington, I noticed new Road Work signs at the southern US 25 exit for Mt Vernon.  Just past the off ramp were small signs stating "ROAD WORK NEXT 6.2 MILES".  Would this possibly be for the next phase of I-75 six-lane widening up to where it currently stops between Renfro Valley and Berea?

Also, is the Duncannon Lane/Richmond exit the approximate location of the former rest areas b/w Berea and Richmond?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: amroad17 on July 23, 2014, 08:11:14 PM
As to the answer to your second question, the response is yes.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on July 23, 2014, 09:41:53 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on July 23, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
Ok so I had to make a run to Corbin this afternoon to meet a co-worker coming up from Knoxville with material for a project I'm gonna work on late tonight.  As I'm coming back up 75 to Lexington, I noticed new Road Work signs at the southern US 25 exit for Mt Vernon.  Just past the off ramp were small signs stating "ROAD WORK NEXT 6.2 MILES".  Would this possibly be for the next phase of I-75 six-lane widening up to where it currently stops between Renfro Valley and Berea?

I think this just may be a mill-and-fill paving project, but I'm not positive.

QuoteAlso, is the Duncannon Lane/Richmond exit the approximate location of the former rest areas b/w Berea and Richmond?

Just south of it, near the spot where I-75 splits from two adjacent carriageways into the spot with the wider median.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: SSF on July 23, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
after spending a lot of time in the Louisville metro the last month, I am a big fan of the flashing yellow and Kentucky' embracing of it.

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 16, 2014, 08:31:55 AM
LED street lighting has been installed within the last day or so on KY 676/East-West Connector in Frankfort on the ramps for US 60. They were on during this morning's dark and rainy commute and were pretty sharp. It's the first installation I've seen within the state.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jnewkirk77 on September 17, 2014, 07:02:22 AM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on September 16, 2014, 08:31:55 AM
LED street lighting has been installed within the last day or so on KY 676/East-West Connector in Frankfort on the ramps for US 60. They were on during this morning's dark and rainy commute and were pretty sharp. It's the first installation I've seen within the state.
We have some in Owensboro, but to my knowledge they aren't a KYTC install, but are being done by Owensboro Municipal Utilities.  The ones OMU is using around town are virtually identical. Overall, they're all right. My beef with them is that they don't seem to light as large an area as their predecessors.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 17, 2014, 10:19:46 AM
I'm not sure that area covered is a main factor anymore. In many cases, roadways suffered from being overlit and the excess spilled out into areas that were not important to light (e.g. berms, skies, adjoining properties). That was an issue with some of the high mast lighting installed in the state - KY 859 was one example.

In cities, it's the same situation. When I lived in Cincinnati, the city had to tone down some of the historic pedestal street lamps because they were too bright. The white globes radiated the light in all directions - and upward, and residents complained because it appeared as if it was daylight outside at night!

There is also no correlation between over-brightness and safety - and those sodium vapors are terrible for contrast anyways.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 29, 2014, 10:54:52 AM
Spotted some brand new poles with LED lights at the Waddy weigh station going eastbound along I-64. The lights are before the exit taper - I don't recall lights being there before. Meanwhile, the weigh station has some old, wooden poles - some leaning, with some really old light fixtures!
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 20, 2014, 08:58:25 AM
I was along US 119 last night down in Harlan County, and a small section of a new alignment of US 119 was opened along the Poor Fork of the Cumberland River in the vicinity of Barlow Branch. The roadway ended shortly after and shifted back on the old alignment. A significant bridge crosses over KY 3404 and Colliers Creek. I'm not sure of the alignment north and east from there, but it looks like the highway will use some strip mined/mountaintop removal sites. I'm unsure on how it will connect up to US 119 by KY 806 and KY 932 - as US 119 is a scenic byway at that point.

In general, US 119 has good right-of-way control east of Harlan, especially since it's been open since 1975, and excellent right-of-way control east of Cumberland - but it's also newer (1992). In comparison, US 119 west of Harlan was built out by 1966 and is just a mess of driveways and blind curves. Looks like a repaving project just west of US 421 is addressing some of the more obvious issues.

Drove about half of the Little Shepherd Trail/KY 1679 along the ridge again. It's a nice one-lane alternative to US 119 and I'm still thankful that the remainder of the road hasn't been paved. I did some fall foliage/waterfall photography down at a nature preserve and saw five bears. I remember that as a kid you would never see a bear in the state, but they were reintroduced in back in high school. It's become commonplace to see them up in the mountains.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: codyg1985 on October 20, 2014, 09:30:13 AM
I wonder if any of the additional rock cuts east of the bridge along the edge of the mountain indicate where US 119 will be relocated?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 20, 2014, 01:56:43 PM
They commonly refer to that section of US 119 in southwestern Letcher and eastern Harlan counties as "the valley floor route" so it's not likely that the road will get too far up on the ride, especially since it's supposed to eventually tunnel under Pine Mountain when the ARC corridor is completed.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 20, 2014, 02:31:47 PM
That's what I was looking at under one of their planning studies today. I think they are at the conclusion that it won't be four-laned, nor should it - it has some pretty low VPD numbers throughout, and that a tunnel would only be built for two lanes. I haven't heard any movement on that in some years.

That said, I had hot brakes on my Subaru coming down off of Kingdom Come last night! It was the first time it has happened in its 150,000+ miles, and I suspect it was because I was driving along the Little Shepherd Trail earlier. The downgrade was so steep that downshifting was useless. I took it slow and easy on US 119 to save those brakes, however.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: billtm on October 23, 2014, 12:14:29 PM
Quick question: What is the possibility of upgrading (the east portion of) KY-4 to a controlled-access freeway? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: tidecat on October 23, 2014, 06:36:14 PM

Quote from: billtm on October 23, 2014, 12:14:29 PM
Quick question: What is the possibility of upgrading (the east portion of) KY-4 to a controlled-access freeway? :hmmm:
There have been numerous studies done through the years, but little will to seem to get it done.  I think it will happen, but it'll have to take a number behind the ORBP, I-69, the Brent Spence, the Mountain Parkway, etc.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 23, 2014, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: billtm on October 23, 2014, 12:14:29 PM
Quick question: What is the possibility of upgrading (the east portion of) KY-4 to a controlled-access freeway? :hmmm:

Slim to none, and slim will no longer be granted interim approval.

ROW costs would be prohibitive because of all the businesses along that stretch.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 24, 2014, 08:32:44 AM
Access control was sold by the city to initially fund New Circle Road, then called Belt Line Road. The earliest segments were built as a two-lane -dirt- road but was quickly paved. The city ran out of money, then sold off access, and was able to get it completed as far as Newtown Pike and Richmond Road. Most of that segment was built in 1950-51 and apparently widened to four-lanes in 1969.

The other half is what is now Southland Drive. Early maps have it labeled as Belt Line Road. It is built in 1950 with just two-lanes and has many access points, but was never upgraded beyond that.

The state built the remainder of New Circle Road between 1959 and 1969 going counterclockwise.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 17, 2014, 11:55:08 AM
Looks like road construction has begun on a new KY 11 alignment from Mt. Sterling at I-64 to the Cecil Road vicinity: http://goo.gl/maps/nU04m
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on November 17, 2014, 12:38:11 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on November 17, 2014, 11:55:08 AM
Looks like road construction has begun on a new KY 11 alignment from Mt. Sterling at I-64 to the Cecil Road vicinity: http://goo.gl/maps/nU04m
I don't see anything on the aerial?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: dfwmapper on November 17, 2014, 03:42:30 PM
Not seeing it either. I did find a good entry for one of the signs threads nearby though. http://goo.gl/maps/C0VzM
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 17, 2014, 09:21:47 PM
Haven't been up that way for awhile, but yes, construction was supposed to have started recently. I can't remember what the holdup was; if it was ROW acquisition or utility issues.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on November 17, 2014, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: dfwmapper on November 17, 2014, 03:42:30 PM
Not seeing it either. I did find a good entry for one of the signs threads nearby though. http://goo.gl/maps/C0VzM
That might be because the road to the left (and hence the shields pointing left) is older.

Interestingly, KY 686 is a more than 3/4 loop, but is consistently signed east-west.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 18, 2014, 04:24:42 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 17, 2014, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: dfwmapper on November 17, 2014, 03:42:30 PM
Not seeing it either. I did find a good entry for one of the signs threads nearby though. http://goo.gl/maps/C0VzM
That might be because the road to the left (and hence the shields pointing left) is older.

Interestingly, KY 686 is a more than 3/4 loop, but is consistently signed east-west.

I travel that segment of US 460 on a fairly regular basis. That stretch of KY 686 from KY 11 running east and north past US 460 to US 60 opened in the late 1980s. Thought I had a picture of that signage but it's not readily apparent.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on November 19, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
Holy crap, it's a Virginia-style white rectangle (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.573324,-85.732198&spn=0.024388,0.049567&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=37.573414,-85.740339&panoid=qoOKFUEJzwuZq7yMWFd1Uw&cbp=12,113.46,,0,15.04).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: billtm on November 19, 2014, 01:09:37 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
Holy crap, it's a Virginia-style white rectangle (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.573324,-85.732198&spn=0.024388,0.049567&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=37.573414,-85.740339&panoid=qoOKFUEJzwuZq7yMWFd1Uw&cbp=12,113.46,,0,15.04).
OMG! :wow:
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 19, 2014, 01:12:28 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 17, 2014, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: dfwmapper on November 17, 2014, 03:42:30 PM
Not seeing it either. I did find a good entry for one of the signs threads nearby though. http://goo.gl/maps/C0VzM
That might be because the road to the left (and hence the shields pointing left) is older.

Interestingly, KY 686 is a more than 3/4 loop, but is consistently signed east-west.

The leftmost KY 686 sign has been replaced. KYTC's photolog viewer imagery is from 2012 and shows both KY 686 markers to look the same.

BTW, the segment from KY 11 running east and north to US 60 opened in 1985.

Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
Holy crap, it's a Virginia-style white rectangle (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.573324,-85.732198&spn=0.024388,0.049567&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=37.573414,-85.740339&panoid=qoOKFUEJzwuZq7yMWFd1Uw&cbp=12,113.46,,0,15.04).

You mean like this?

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5460/10174164345_1a4cef2d37_z.jpg)

Located here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4836217,-82.0520148,3a,75y,53.22h,92.91t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDBnGQz7OZo5C_63FgzstTA!2e0)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: billtm on November 20, 2014, 07:18:48 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
Holy crap, it's a Virginia-style white rectangle (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.573324,-85.732198&spn=0.024388,0.049567&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=37.573414,-85.740339&panoid=qoOKFUEJzwuZq7yMWFd1Uw&cbp=12,113.46,,0,15.04).
Quote
You mean like this?

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5460/10174164345_1a4cef2d37_z.jpg)

Located here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4836217,-82.0520148,3a,75y,53.22h,92.91t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDBnGQz7OZo5C_63FgzstTA!2e0)
But at least that one's pointing toward VA 711. And it's less than a half mile away from the border.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on November 21, 2014, 04:47:46 AM
US 60X (Frankfort) showed up on detour signage. (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.19519,-84.870243&spn=0.012091,0.024784&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.195303,-84.87432&panoid=zU6CQ4C1PrbWLu9n_LF58Q&cbp=12,205.77,,2,-0.48) (And yes, the old state-name US 60 is still there post-bridge work.)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Captain Jack on November 21, 2014, 11:40:41 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 21, 2014, 04:47:46 AM
US 60X (Frankfort) showed up on detour signage. (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.19519,-84.870243&spn=0.012091,0.024784&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.195303,-84.87432&panoid=zU6CQ4C1PrbWLu9n_LF58Q&cbp=12,205.77,,2,-0.48) (And yes, the old state-name US 60 is still there post-bridge work.)

That is good to hear. I can't tell you how many times I have detoured off of I-64 and snaked through Frankfort, just to drive over that bridge and see that shield.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 21, 2014, 12:14:09 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 21, 2014, 04:47:46 AM(And yes, the old state-name US 60 is still there post-bridge work.)

Yep. I made it a point to check last time I was in downtown Frankfort.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 22, 2014, 12:54:20 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2014, 12:14:09 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 21, 2014, 04:47:46 AM(And yes, the old state-name US 60 is still there post-bridge work.)

Yep. I made it a point to check last time I was in downtown Frankfort.

Is it just me, or did somebody add a 'TO' to it?  Didn't look like the 'TO' was there in the 2007 Google StreetView.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on November 22, 2014, 01:34:37 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on November 22, 2014, 12:54:20 AM
Is it just me, or did somebody add a 'TO' to it?  Didn't look like the 'TO' was there in the 2007 Google StreetView.
I remember seeing photos of it 10-15 years ago with the TO. www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=KY19520601 is from 2007.

And holy crap, I forgot it was a cutout. The pattern of leaves on the Goog makes it look like it's mounted on a black square.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 22, 2014, 10:24:36 PM
The "TO" has been on it for sure since at least 1995, when I started working in Frankfort and first noticed it.

And yes, it's a cutout.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on November 22, 2014, 10:29:22 PM
Oh shit, they added 1928 (mislabeled 1929): http://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Pages/Historical-Maps.aspx
No numbered state routes yet, though a note on the back says they "will be announced...as rapidly as numbers are gotten up".
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 05, 2014, 01:40:32 PM
http://transportation.ky.gov/District-7/Pages/PressReleasePage.aspx?&FilterField1=ID&FilterValue1=391

Widening of New Circle Road between the US 60 (Versailles Road) and US 421 (Leestown Road) exits on the west side of Lexington, and reconstruction of the US 60/KY 4 interchange to add a flyover from eastbound 60 to northbound New Circle. This eliminates two weaves.

Not mentioned in the press release is the fact that the conversion of the New Circle/US 421 interchange into a diverging diamond has been delayed due to funding constraints.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 05, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
What's weird is that the ~one mile stretch from Leestown Road to the existing widened segment near Georgetown Road won't be connected. Or will it? The release was unambigious.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: froggie on December 08, 2014, 08:05:48 AM
QuoteWidening of New Circle Road between the US 60 (Versailles Road) and US 421 (Leestown Road) exits on the west side of Lexington, and reconstruction of the US 60/KY 4 interchange to add a flyover from eastbound 60 to northbound New Circle. This eliminates two weaves.

Is there a schematic or project layout showing the flyover?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 08, 2014, 08:50:32 AM
Froggie:

--

Looks like the realignment of KY 52 around Paint Lick and for about 2 miles east has started. There is still a gap between that and Duncannon Road at Interstate 75, though. I'm surprised they just didn't rebuild the existing route through Paint Lick - sidewalks and curbs through the small town would be nice.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 08, 2014, 11:43:40 AM
Quote from: froggie on December 08, 2014, 08:05:48 AM
QuoteWidening of New Circle Road between the US 60 (Versailles Road) and US 421 (Leestown Road) exits on the west side of Lexington, and reconstruction of the US 60/KY 4 interchange to add a flyover from eastbound 60 to northbound New Circle. This eliminates two weaves.

Is there a schematic or project layout showing the flyover?

http://www.newcircleroadwidening.com/img/Versailles%20Road.pdf

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on December 08, 2014, 08:50:32 AM

Looks like the realignment of KY 52 around Paint Lick and for about 2 miles east has started. There is still a gap between that and Duncannon Road at Interstate 75, though. I'm surprised they just didn't rebuild the existing route through Paint Lick - sidewalks and curbs through the small town would be nice.

Not much left in Paint Lick, last time I was through there. There's also a pretty sharp 90-degree turn there that might prove difficult to rebuild to modern standards. I normally use KY 1295 between Richmond and Lancaster because it's shorter and the alignment is generally better than the unreconstructed portions of 52. Once this portion of the KY 52 project is done, it might be a viable alternative.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Mapmikey on December 08, 2014, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
Holy crap, it's a Virginia-style white rectangle (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.573324,-85.732198&spn=0.024388,0.049567&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=37.573414,-85.740339&panoid=qoOKFUEJzwuZq7yMWFd1Uw&cbp=12,113.46,,0,15.04).

On another part of the square they put two routes on one of those...
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5737667,-85.7398924,3a,75y,336.1h,63.68t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1suMfv8YjxKj_k8ZzwXFF_fQ!2e0

I'm aware of only one instance like this in Virginia, on US 17 Bus/VA 55 in Marshall...

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on February 26, 2015, 08:58:34 PM
KYTC has their photolog online: http://maps.kytc.ky.gov/photolog/

They also have project plans going back to 1909: http://maps.kytc.ky.gov/photolog/?config=ProjectArchives
Random example: https://projectwise.transportation.ky.gov/ws/datasources/pw.KYTC-Main/Files/document/1404bddf-e184-4d4c-b93d-c7175365bfd3?Application=Archives (note the former Project No. 58 1/2 designation - these were defined by state law)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 27, 2015, 10:15:22 PM
Sixty years of New Circle Road in Lexington.

http://www.kentucky.com/2015/02/23/3710226_new-circle-beltline-has-frustrated.html?rh=1
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 14, 2015, 09:54:37 PM
http://www.tristatehomepage.com/story/d/story/police-shut-down-highway-41-to-cross-herd-of-deer/30280/w_jibJ7PFUOCUBfl_JWq9Q

Back story behind this is that Kentucky had two big snowfalls recently, with a pretty decent rain event after each of them. The combo of snowmelt and rain has caused flooding. When the Ohio River gets above a certain stage at Henderson, deer travel patterns under the Ohio River bridges are disrupted. The deer were caught in an area that was going to go under water and several had been hit along the stretch of US 41 between the Henderson commercial strip and the bridges. Officers stopped traffic and someone herded the deer across the road to higher ground.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 01, 2015, 11:54:04 AM
Whoa, HB. Did I miss something? I was driving the Industrial Parkway/KY 67 a few days ago and there were signs posted for 65 MPH! I thought it was perhaps a one-time deal, but New Circle Road/KY 4, East-West Connector/KY 676 and some other limited access roads (for the state) have all been boosted! I didn't see anything go through the legislature on this one.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jnewkirk77 on April 02, 2015, 01:56:53 AM
It'd sure be nice to see 60 & 231 (the Wendell Ford Expressway part, anyway) get raised to 65 MPH around Owensboro.  Maybe they're waiting until the west leg overhaul is done later this year.

Speaking of which:  If you're coming to Owensboro from the west, U.S. 60 eastbound exits #11 (KY 81/Parrish Ave.) and #14 (US 431/KY 2831/Frederica St.) are closing later today for two months as part of that project.  Drivers wanting to use those roads will be diverted to Exit #12 (KY 2698/Carter Rd.). Should be loads of fun sending three exits' worth of traffic into one (which doesn't even have a signal!), but it will be nice to not have craters the size of small Buicks on 60 once it's all done.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 02, 2015, 01:41:34 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on April 01, 2015, 11:54:04 AM
Whoa, HB. Did I miss something? I was driving the Industrial Parkway/KY 67 a few days ago and there were signs posted for 65 MPH! I thought it was perhaps a one-time deal, but New Circle Road/KY 4, East-West Connector/KY 676 and some other limited access roads (for the state) have all been boosted! I didn't see anything go through the legislature on this one.

News to me. I thought the only non-freeway route in the state to have a higher speed limit was a section of US 68/KY 80 between Bowling Green and Hopkinsville. Last time I was on the connector in Frankfort, I didn't notice. I'm a bit surprised that a two-lane route (KY 67) would get a 65 mph speed limit. The House transportation committee chairman lives in Johnson County on US 23 and he has always opposed raising the speed limit on surface four-lane routes above 55 mph.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NE2 on April 02, 2015, 01:58:33 PM
Hibby got owned by a lame April fools.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 02, 2015, 03:40:10 PM
Yeah, it was all I had. No photoshopping this time.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: tidecat on April 03, 2015, 06:57:52 PM
KY 22 is washed out near Springcrest Drive:

http://www.whas11.com/story/news/local/2015/04/03/kytc-said-ky-22-may-be-closed-for-months/25263245/
Title: Kentucky Notes
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 23, 2015, 10:26:41 AM
Here is a thread for miscellaneous things in Kentucky.
The last time I went on the new KY 16 bypass of Taylor Mill it was entirely 4 lanes, but it was still posted at 30 mph and signed with "TO: 16". Construction seems to be wrapping up on the bypass with sidewalks and other little things being finished. Judging by the fact the school zone speed limit is 35 the whole road will be posted at 45 for non-school time.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 23, 2015, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 23, 2015, 10:26:41 AM
Here is a thread for miscellaneous things in Kentucky.
The last time I went on the new KY 16 bypass of Taylor Mill it was entirely 4 lanes, but it was still posted at 30 mph and signed with "TO: 16". Construction seems to be wrapping up on the bypass with sidewalks and other little things being finished. Judging by the fact the school zone speed limit is 35 the whole road will be posted at 45 for non-school time.
Update: I went on the road today and the bypass is posted at 45 mph. It is signed as KY 16, the old KY 16 is signed as KY 3716. Construction seems to have wrapped up fully now. I'll update OSM for this change.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: hbelkins on August 23, 2015, 05:52:26 PM
I've noticed that lately, when Kentucky relocates a highway, the old route gets a four-digit number that incorporates part of the old number if they can't extend an existing number (such as was done with KY 205 taking over part of KY 15's old route in Breathitt County).

Old US 27 in Pulaski County -- KY 2227.
Old US 150 in Rockcastle/Lincoln counties -- KY xx50.
Old KY 30 in Jackson and Laurel counties -- KY 3630.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: Rothman on August 23, 2015, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 23, 2015, 05:52:26 PM
I've noticed that lately, when Kentucky relocates a highway, the old route gets a four-digit number that incorporates part of the old number if they can't extend an existing number (such as was done with KY 205 taking over part of KY 15's old route in Breathitt County).

Old US 27 in Pulaski County -- KY 2227.
Old US 150 in Rockcastle/Lincoln counties -- KY xx50.
Old KY 30 in Jackson and Laurel counties -- KY 3630.

And KY 3527...? (j/k) :D
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 25, 2015, 02:43:53 PM
Whose idea was it to create four-digit state highway designations? I find that a little strange. Three digits are enough for me.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: amroad17 on August 25, 2015, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 23, 2015, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 23, 2015, 10:26:41 AM
Here is a thread for miscellaneous things in Kentucky.
The last time I went on the new KY 16 bypass of Taylor Mill it was entirely 4 lanes, but it was still posted at 30 mph and signed with "TO: 16". Construction seems to be wrapping up on the bypass with sidewalks and other little things being finished. Judging by the fact the school zone speed limit is 35 the whole road will be posted at 45 for non-school time.
Update: I went on the road today and the bypass is posted at 45 mph. It is signed as KY 16, the old KY 16 is signed as KY 3716. Construction seems to have wrapped up fully now. I'll update OSM for this change.
I thought that old KY 16 (Taylor Mill Road) would be Business KY 16.  Wrong on my part.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 25, 2015, 07:02:29 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 25, 2015, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 23, 2015, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 23, 2015, 10:26:41 AM
Here is a thread for miscellaneous things in Kentucky.
The last time I went on the new KY 16 bypass of Taylor Mill it was entirely 4 lanes, but it was still posted at 30 mph and signed with "TO: 16". Construction seems to be wrapping up on the bypass with sidewalks and other little things being finished. Judging by the fact the school zone speed limit is 35 the whole road will be posted at 45 for non-school time.
Update: I went on the road today and the bypass is posted at 45 mph. It is signed as KY 16, the old KY 16 is signed as KY 3716. Construction seems to have wrapped up fully now. I'll update OSM for this change.
I thought that old KY 16 (Taylor Mill Road) would be Business KY 16.  Wrong on my part.
It probably wasn't BUS KY 16 because it doesn't go through a "Downtown." Taylor Mill doesn't have a downtown. It is kind of similar to when the KY 17 bypass part was built in 2001 bypassing what is now KY 3035.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: amroad17 on August 25, 2015, 08:23:27 PM
Yes, you are correct in your assessment.  It is just what Kentucky does.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 26, 2015, 01:39:07 AM
Plans continue to move forward on the replacement for the U.S. 60 Spottsville Bridge over the Green River in Henderson County:

http://www.courierpress.com/gleaner/plans-laid-out-for-wider-new-spottsville-bridge_37223162

I'm pleasantly surprised KYTC is going for a truss-style bridge.  :clap:
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: tidecat on August 26, 2015, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 25, 2015, 02:43:53 PM
Whose idea was it to create four-digit state highway designations? I find that a little strange. Three digits are enough for me.
It's because there aren't numbered county routes like most states have.  But even the one historical example I can find of a county route from Kentucky has a four digit number:

http://www.routemarkers.com/usa/county.html
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 26, 2015, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: tidecat on August 26, 2015, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 25, 2015, 02:43:53 PM
Whose idea was it to create four-digit state highway designations? I find that a little strange. Three digits are enough for me.
It's because there aren't numbered county routes like most states have.  But even the one historical example I can find of a county route from Kentucky has a four digit number:

http://www.routemarkers.com/usa/county.html
That is beautiful. But anyway the 4 digit routes work well for roads like KY 1120 where it is important enough for for a state route designation but too short for a 3 digit number.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: hbelkins on August 27, 2015, 03:38:04 PM
Kentucky was into the four-digit realm decades ago. You can look at some of the old historical maps and see four-digit numbers.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: GCrites on August 27, 2015, 10:00:10 PM
Quote from: tidecat on August 26, 2015, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 25, 2015, 02:43:53 PM
Whose idea was it to create four-digit state highway designations? I find that a little strange. Three digits are enough for me.
It's because there aren't numbered county routes like most states have.  But even the one historical example I can find of a county route from Kentucky has a four digit number:

http://www.routemarkers.com/usa/county.html

In addition, KY doesn't have townships -- so no TWP roads.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: slorydn1 on August 28, 2015, 12:02:14 PM
KY is not alone, we have 4 digit SR#'s in NC too, we just don't sign them, per se. The difference is ours work more like county roads in that the numbers are reused in other counties on other roads. There are a few that do continue on from one county to another (SR-1004 is Brices Creek Rd in Craven County and becomes Island Creek Rd in Jones County, for example).
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 28, 2015, 12:08:39 PM
I think Virginia uses 4 digit routes too.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: jbnati27 on September 16, 2015, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: slorydn1 on August 28, 2015, 12:02:14 PM
KY is not alone, we have 4 digit SR#'s in NC too, we just don't sign them, per se. The difference is ours work more like county roads in that the numbers are reused in other counties on other roads. There are a few that do continue on from one county to another (SR-1004 is Brices Creek Rd in Craven County and becomes Island Creek Rd in Jones County, for example).

I've also seen them in Pennsylvania. They appear on the mile marker signs, in the same way the true signed routes do.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on September 16, 2015, 03:42:57 PM
Quote from: jbnati27 on September 16, 2015, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: slorydn1 on August 28, 2015, 12:02:14 PM
KY is not alone, we have 4 digit SR#'s in NC too, we just don't sign them, per se. The difference is ours work more like county roads in that the numbers are reused in other counties on other roads. There are a few that do continue on from one county to another (SR-1004 is Brices Creek Rd in Craven County and becomes Island Creek Rd in Jones County, for example).

I've also seen them in Pennsylvania. They appear on the mile marker signs, in the same way the true signed routes do.
North Dakota uses 4 digit routes too.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 04, 2015, 03:21:40 PM
Sometimes I'm not sure what my home state is thinking.

The Cynthiana Bypass is signed as US 62. Not US 27, which would be more logical. What they should have done is route both US 27 and US 62 on the bypass and sign the old road as Business US 27.

And the new section of US 68 between Paris and Millersburg is four lanes. Way overbuilt in my opinion. Can't see why this isn't two lanes with an occasional passing lane.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on November 05, 2015, 06:44:32 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 04, 2015, 03:21:40 PM
And the new section of US 68 between Paris and Millersburg is four lanes. Way overbuilt in my opinion. Can't see why this isn't two lanes with an occasional passing lane.

I had to drive 68 a lot last year b/w Lexington and Maysville.  I think the four lanes were justified.  Was pretty busy going NE of Paris.  I would imagine the ultimate goal would be to have a 4-lane corridor to connect Maysville to Lexington, which at this rate might happen more quickly than 4-laning the AA Highway.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on November 05, 2015, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on November 05, 2015, 06:44:32 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 04, 2015, 03:21:40 PM
And the new section of US 68 between Paris and Millersburg is four lanes. Way overbuilt in my opinion. Can't see why this isn't two lanes with an occasional passing lane.

I had to drive 68 a lot last year b/w Lexington and Maysville.  I think the four lanes were justified.  Was pretty busy going NE of Paris.  I would imagine the ultimate goal would be to have a 4-lane corridor to connect Maysville to Lexington, which at this rate might happen more quickly than 4-laning the AA Highway.


Wouldn't 4-laning the AA be unlikely anyway given all the press it got as being a prime example of context-sensitive engineering (whether true or not)?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 06, 2015, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on November 05, 2015, 06:44:32 AM

I had to drive 68 a lot last year b/w Lexington and Maysville.  I think the four lanes were justified.  Was pretty busy going NE of Paris.  I would imagine the ultimate goal would be to have a 4-lane corridor to connect Maysville to Lexington

Probably not going to happen. The section between KY 32 near Carlisle and the Licking River crossing is relatively new (built within the last 20 years). The bypass of Millersburg is under construction, but they're very early in the process and I couldn't tell if it will be two or four lanes. There is probably some commuter traffic between Carlisle and Lexington, but I've never noticed a lot of traffic between Carlisle and Maysville.

With the new construction of KY 11 in Montgomery County, the I-64/KY 11 corridor through Mt. Sterling might siphon some Maysville-to-Lexington traffic off US 68.

Quotewhich at this rate might happen more quickly than 4-laning the AA Highway.

Doubt it will ever be four-laned completely, given some of the relatively low traffic volumes.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 06, 2015, 09:09:47 PM
Oh, by the way, great and relatively new "KY 68" route marker on KY 36 westbound approaching 68 heading out of Carlisle toward Millersburg. (Yes, I got a photo).
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 25, 2015, 11:21:22 PM
Kentucky and Indiana are working together to get the US 41 southbound Twin Bridge resurfaced, possibly in '16:

http://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/local-news/twin-bridge-project-welcome-by-drivers

It's a needed repair job, as the deck is spotted with holes and patches ... and holes in patches ... and patches of patches.  Makes for a rough ride!!
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: rlb2024 on November 27, 2015, 10:54:11 AM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on September 16, 2015, 03:42:57 PM
Quote from: jbnati27 on September 16, 2015, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: slorydn1 on August 28, 2015, 12:02:14 PM
KY is not alone, we have 4 digit SR#'s in NC too, we just don't sign them, per se. The difference is ours work more like county roads in that the numbers are reused in other counties on other roads. There are a few that do continue on from one county to another (SR-1004 is Brices Creek Rd in Craven County and becomes Island Creek Rd in Jones County, for example).

I've also seen them in Pennsylvania. They appear on the mile marker signs, in the same way the true signed routes do.
North Dakota uses 4 digit routes too.
So does Louisiana.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: Georgia on November 30, 2015, 01:50:21 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on November 25, 2015, 11:21:22 PM
Kentucky and Indiana are working together to get the US 41 southbound Twin Bridge resurfaced, possibly in '16:

http://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/local-news/twin-bridge-project-welcome-by-drivers

It's a needed repair job, as the deck is spotted with holes and patches ... and holes in patches ... and patches of patches.  Makes for a rough ride!!

drove over it tonight going back home to Atlanta from central IL, i think the longest stretch without a patch is maybe 40 feet.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: tidecat on January 05, 2016, 12:23:50 PM
Which one of you farted?

http://m.wave3.com/wave/db_338316/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=LUKLya3g
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: GCrites on January 05, 2016, 11:35:19 PM
Wow, I've never heard of a modern rest area catching fire. They're all block and tile.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: hbelkins on January 06, 2016, 07:30:56 PM
Arson is suspected. The state police arson unit and the state fire marshal's office are investigating.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: tidecat on January 06, 2016, 10:38:13 PM
What was odd is that about 12 hours later someone in Nashville climbed on top of a BGS on I-65 near Rosa Parks. It almost makes you wonder if those incidents are related.
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 08, 2016, 03:37:22 PM
Is there any timeline on extending the Cumberland Parkway east of US 27 in Somerset?
Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: seicer on January 28, 2016, 02:46:41 PM
New 2016 plan is out: http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Documents/2016RecommendedProjectListing.pdf

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The Interstate 66 project now being rebranded as a Hal Rogers Parkway extension around Somerset? It's become clear that the interstate won't be completed between Somerset and London, so it's interesting to see Hal Rogers Parkway pop up in Somerset, quite a ways west of London.

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Completion of the Georgetown bypass is now set for 2020.

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Finally, access management for US 31E between Louisville and Bardstown.

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Interchange at US 62 (current southern end of bypass) at Maysville by 2020 and the extension of the bypass to KY 11/AA. It looks like this may be fully controlled with just interchanges.

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Title: Re: Kentucky Notes
Post by: hbelkins on January 28, 2016, 03:30:32 PM
The state named KY 80 as an extension of the Hal Rogers Parkway several months ago. Little green signs went up immediately and big green signs were installed by December.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 17, 2017, 02:31:21 PM
Greenup pursues parkway expansion (http://www.dailyindependent.com/news/greenup-pursues-parkway-expansion/article_9cf86dcc-ca54-11e7-82c3-7342e89e34e2.html)

"Greenup County is lobbying the state of Kentucky to fund an expansion of the Industrial Parkway corridor in light of the announcement by Braidy Industries to locate a major aluminum mill in the EastPark Industrial Center."

[...]

"Traffic counts provided by the Kentucky Department of Highways based on most recent available data show 6,226 vehicles per day on average run between I-64 and EastPark Drive, 25 percent being commercial trucks (counted 2014), 5,088 per day on average halfway between I-64 and U.S. 23 (counted 2015), and 4,373 on average on the parkway between U.S. 23 and Ky. 207 (counted 2016)."
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on November 18, 2017, 04:50:40 PM
I'm guessing the aluminum mill won't last long. Most of Kentucky isn't growing these days. I actually read that Kentucky will probably lose an electoral vote after the 2020 census.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 12, 2018, 09:35:03 AM
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AMAX Coal Company (Ayrshire Collieries) Marion 5761-S (Gibraltar Mine) crossing the Western Kentucky Parkway near Central City. (Source (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212915041203927&set=pcb.1611184405631542&type=3&theater))
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 26, 2018, 01:49:41 PM
My highlights from the 2018 Highway Plan (https://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Highway%20Plan/2018RecHighwayPlanProjectListing.pdf):

Key:
C - Construction
D - Planning
U - Utilities
P - Purchasing of ROW




Central

Interstates, Expressways & Parkways

Other

Lexington Area

Interstates, Expressways & Parkways


Other


Louisville Area

Interstates, Expressways & Parkways


Other





Northern

Interstates, Expressways & Parkways


Other





Eastern




Western

Interstates, Expressways & Parkways


Other




Southern

Interstates, Expressways & Parkways


Other

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: milbfan on January 26, 2018, 10:32:36 PM
Quote from: seicer on January 26, 2018, 01:49:41 PM

  • Major upgrades to SR 15 fro Morton Blvd. (site of a lot of new development and the ARC Hospital) south to the SR 15 bypass of Hazard (C 2018). $48 million means perhaps an interchange at Morton or the bypass?


I hope they address the existing interchange at 80/550 and 15.  When you travel north and in the right lane, lots of people end up stopping to make a sharp(?) right to get down to 80/550.  Can't tell you how many near misses I've had.  Maybe a longer turn lane would help...
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 27, 2018, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: milbfan on January 26, 2018, 10:32:36 PM
Quote from: seicer on January 26, 2018, 01:49:41 PM

  • Major upgrades to SR 15 fro Morton Blvd. (site of a lot of new development and the ARC Hospital) south to the SR 15 bypass of Hazard (C 2018). $48 million means perhaps an interchange at Morton or the bypass?


I hope they address the existing interchange at 80/550 and 15.  When you travel north and in the right lane, lots of people end up stopping to make a sharp(?) right to get down to 80/550.  Can't tell you how many near misses I've had.  Maybe a longer turn lane would help...

Was supposed to go to bid yesterday. It was bid in December but the bids were rejected for being over estimates.

It will include both a grade-separated interchange at Morton Boulevard and a rebuild of the 80/550 interchange.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 27, 2018, 09:08:26 PM
Nice - I am assuming a diamond interchange at Morton and a full four lanes on KY 15 with a much larger folded diamond at SR 550?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 27, 2018, 10:49:19 PM
Quote from: seicer on January 27, 2018, 09:08:26 PM
Nice - I am assuming a diamond interchange at Morton and a full four lanes on KY 15 with a much larger folded diamond at SR 550?

I'm not sure about the design for the 80/550 exit, but the interchange at Morton isn't a diamond. It's been awhile since I've seen the plans, but I'm pretty sure it's not a traditional diamond.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jnewkirk77 on January 31, 2018, 12:38:06 AM
With regard to the cost of re-signing the Natcher as I-165, it's time for most of the signage to get replaced anyway, aside from some spot replacements that have been done in the last few years.  I need to get night pictures of some of the BGSes and the "Parkway Ends" sign at the Owensboro end. The oldest ones are getting to be in pretty sad shape.

Plus ... the exit numbers are likely to go back to what they were before the extension from 65 to 231 opened a few years ago.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: sparker on January 31, 2018, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 31, 2018, 12:38:06 AM
With regard to the cost of re-signing the Natcher as I-165, it's time for most of the signage to get replaced anyway, aside from some spot replacements that have been done in the last few years.  I need to get night pictures of some of the BGSes and the "Parkway Ends" sign at the Owensboro end. The oldest ones are getting to be in pretty sad shape.

Plus ... the exit numbers are likely to go back to what they were before the extension from 65 to 231 opened a few years ago.


Not necessarily -- I-165 could be a "double ended" spur like I-181 was in TN before replacement by I-26, which would keep the exit numbers as is.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 31, 2018, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: sparker on January 31, 2018, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 31, 2018, 12:38:06 AM
With regard to the cost of re-signing the Natcher as I-165, it's time for most of the signage to get replaced anyway, aside from some spot replacements that have been done in the last few years.  I need to get night pictures of some of the BGSes and the "Parkway Ends" sign at the Owensboro end. The oldest ones are getting to be in pretty sad shape.

Plus ... the exit numbers are likely to go back to what they were before the extension from 65 to 231 opened a few years ago.


Not necessarily -- I-165 could be a "double ended" spur like I-181 was in TN before replacement by I-26, which would keep the exit numbers as is.

I think interstates can end at NHS routes, and I'm pretty sure US 231 is on the NHS.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 31, 2018, 05:19:48 PM
Are there any plans to extend the Louie B. Nunn Cumberland Parkway east of US 27?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 31, 2018, 05:51:42 PM
Nothing in the six-year program, although there are plans in the program for an interchange at SR 461 and a parkway-to-interstate conversion study from London to Manchester on the Daniel Boone Parkway. There was a study completed on an Interstate 66 alignment between Somerset and London, which I highly disagreed with - partly because much of it would be on new alignment through very ecologically sensitive areas.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 01, 2018, 11:53:48 AM
They need to at least finish the northern Somerset bypass around to KY 80 on the east side of town.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on June 11, 2012, 09:56:07 AM
Here's the as enacted plan.

First of all congrats to Kentucky for putting I-65 six lanes project to the forefront. The stretch between E-Town and Bowling Green has been the scene of some horrific cross overs thru the years. Kentucky didn't bite on Scotty's offer but went with pay go. Looks like the final money goes in 2018 with 2020 finishing timeframe. Slow but I see Kentucky's thought pattern.

I-64 widening between Louisville and Lexington took a hit as one stretch fell off (MP 28-32....easily upgradeable...) but they kept a further east bridge widening project.

I-75 has a widening project in Eastern Kentucky (MP 55-69).

Mountain Parkway has their widening on line.

Brent Spence takes a big bite and so does the Louisville Bridges project.

Overall not bad as Kentucky has the two big dogs in BS and LBP eating up hundreds of millions of dollars in funding.

http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Pages/2012-Highway-Plan.aspx

The four laning project was one big kickback.  There was not a need of this south of Mount Washington and north of Bowling Green.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 01, 2018, 01:49:12 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on June 11, 2012, 09:56:07 AM
Here's the as enacted plan.

First of all congrats to Kentucky for putting I-65 six lanes project to the forefront. The stretch between E-Town and Bowling Green has been the scene of some horrific cross overs thru the years. Kentucky didn't bite on Scotty's offer but went with pay go. Looks like the final money goes in 2018 with 2020 finishing timeframe. Slow but I see Kentucky's thought pattern.

I-64 widening between Louisville and Lexington took a hit as one stretch fell off (MP 28-32....easily upgradeable...) but they kept a further east bridge widening project.

I-75 has a widening project in Eastern Kentucky (MP 55-69).

Mountain Parkway has their widening on line.

Brent Spence takes a big bite and so does the Louisville Bridges project.

Overall not bad as Kentucky has the two big dogs in BS and LBP eating up hundreds of millions of dollars in funding.

http://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Pages/2012-Highway-Plan.aspx

The four laning project was one big kickback.  There was not a need of this south of Mount Washington and north of Bowling Green.

Please tell us why you think this. I-65 is the most heavily used interstate in Kentucky by truck traffic -- and learning this surprised me; I expected it would be I-75 -- and the two-lane section between Bowling Green and E-town was/is frequently blocked by crashes.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 02:01:31 PM
I-65 is just as busy in Tennessee and does just fine without it being six lanes outside of the Nashville area.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Buck87 on February 01, 2018, 02:36:42 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 02:01:31 PM
I-65 is just as busy in Tennessee and does just fine without it being six lanes outside of the Nashville area.

Depends on how you define "just fine". The last time I drove the section from Nashville to Kentucky it was frustrating as hell how bad the traffic was, particularly the issue of trucks passing trucks causing long backups. Reaching the 6 lane portion in KY was a welcome relief.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 01, 2018, 02:39:17 PM
It's well into level-of-service C/D category, and the accident rate on I-65 in Kentucky is well above average. It doesn't function well at all where it remains two lanes - and where it was two-lanes in Kentucky.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 01, 2018, 09:02:17 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on February 01, 2018, 02:36:42 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 02:01:31 PM
I-65 is just as busy in Tennessee and does just fine without it being six lanes outside of the Nashville area.

Depends on how you define "just fine". The last time I drove the section from Nashville to Kentucky it was frustrating as hell how bad the traffic was, particularly the issue of trucks passing trucks causing long backups. Reaching the 6 lane portion in KY was a welcome relief.

I'm beginning to wonder if there is ANY construction/improvement project he's in favor of.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 2trailertrucker on February 06, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 02:01:31 PM
I-65 is just as busy in Tennessee and does just fine without it being six lanes outside of the Nashville area.

When you travel between Louisville and Nashville, it always seems that the wrecks and hang ups are on the 4 lane sections. Even when a motorist is being pulled over, traffic comes to a stand still.

Please define "fine" .
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Captain Jack on February 10, 2018, 12:01:00 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 01, 2018, 09:02:17 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on February 01, 2018, 02:36:42 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 02:01:31 PM
I-65 is just as busy in Tennessee and does just fine without it being six lanes outside of the Nashville area.

Depends on how you define "just fine". The last time I drove the section from Nashville to Kentucky it was frustrating as hell how bad the traffic was, particularly the issue of trucks passing trucks causing long backups. Reaching the 6 lane portion in KY was a welcome relief.

I'm beginning to wonder if there is ANY construction/improvement project he's in favor of.

He also thinks the Henderson Chamber of Commerce should fight any construction of I-69 to benefit the McDonalds on the 41 Strip.

I-65 is long past due in Tennessee, and frankly, so is I-24 between Nashville and Clarksville. In the 10 states I cover, that may be my least favorite stretch of interstate.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on February 16, 2018, 09:01:33 PM
Looks like I jumped in this thread at the opportune time.

The family and I are heading to Florida in the first week of March, and it's been YEARS since I have driven I-65 in Kentucky. How far north has I-65 been widened? (Last time I drove, it ended just north of the Cumberland Parkway interchange...I told you it's been a while.)

Also, what road work should I be on the lookout for while in the state? Thank you all in advance for your responses.

As for the section of I-65 between the Tenessee-Kentucky line and Tennessee 386 in Nashville, I think a third lane is warranted. If the weigh stations are open and trucks are required to stop, there's one massive choke point to prepare for. Even beyond that, there have been many instances where I had to contend with clusters of traffic that stayed at or below 70 mph for MILES, and that doesn't include any side by side trucks. The extra lane would be handy, and the aforementioned stretch isn't that long; the only real tricky part from a construction standpoint would be that little stretch of I-65 near TN 257 (the section with the rocky ridge and high crosswind potential).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 16, 2018, 09:57:03 PM
They are finishing up the widening just south of Elizabethtown. It won't be done by the time you are traveling through, but two-lane traffic is being maintained in each direction unless they are moving barrier walls or something.

I think it's three lanes now all the way from Bonnieville or Sonora to the Tennessee line. I drove it back in the fall but don't really remember where the widened part ended and the construction began.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on February 17, 2018, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2018, 09:57:03 PM
They are finishing up the widening just south of Elizabethtown. It won't be done by the time you are traveling through, but two-lane traffic is being maintained in each direction unless they are moving barrier walls or something.

I think it's three lanes now all the way from Bonnieville or Sonora to the Tennessee line. I drove it back in the fall but don't really remember where the widened part ended and the construction began.

So that's at least an additional 28 miles of I-65 that has a third lane in each direction. That's great. I like that there will be some level of free flow throughout the entire state within a year or two.

Again, thank you for the heads up.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: froggie on February 19, 2018, 11:36:45 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 31, 2018, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: sparker on January 31, 2018, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 31, 2018, 12:38:06 AM
With regard to the cost of re-signing the Natcher as I-165, it's time for most of the signage to get replaced anyway, aside from some spot replacements that have been done in the last few years.  I need to get night pictures of some of the BGSes and the "Parkway Ends" sign at the Owensboro end. The oldest ones are getting to be in pretty sad shape.

Plus ... the exit numbers are likely to go back to what they were before the extension from 65 to 231 opened a few years ago.


Not necessarily -- I-165 could be a "double ended" spur like I-181 was in TN before replacement by I-26, which would keep the exit numbers as is.

I think interstates can end at NHS routes, and I'm pretty sure US 231 is on the NHS.

Responding late, but yes they can.  Intersecting NHS routes are considered "logical termini".  And yes, US 231 both south of Bowling Green and east of Owensboro (plus the US 60 Owensboro bypass) is on the NHS.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Captain Jack on February 19, 2018, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on February 16, 2018, 09:01:33 PM
Looks like I jumped in this thread at the opportune time.

The family and I are heading to Florida in the first week of March, and it's been YEARS since I have driven I-65 in Kentucky. How far north has I-65 been widened? (Last time I drove, it ended just north of the Cumberland Parkway interchange...I told you it's been a while.)

Also, what road work should I be on the lookout for while in the state? Thank you all in advance for your responses.

As for the section of I-65 between the Tenessee-Kentucky line and Tennessee 386 in Nashville, I think a third lane is warranted. If the weigh stations are open and trucks are required to stop, there's one massive choke point to prepare for. Even beyond that, there have been many instances where I had to contend with clusters of traffic that stayed at or below 70 mph for MILES, and that doesn't include any side by side trucks. The extra lane would be handy, and the aforementioned stretch isn't that long; the only real tricky part from a construction standpoint would be that little stretch of I-65 near TN 257 (the section with the rocky ridge and high crosswind potential).

Not sure where in the region you will be starting from, but we ran into a family from Merrillville in Florida that last time we were there. They swear that taking US 41-I-69-I-24 takes about 30 minutes less to get to Nashville from up there. I know the speed limit is less, but other than Terre Haute, and the two mile Henderson stretch that Avalanchez loves, it is pretty much all open highway. Of course this route will take you on the dreaded Clarksville-Nashville stretch of I-24, but it isn't any worse than the Tennessee stretch of I-65. Plus, you skip Indy and Louisville traffic and the $4  bridge toll.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Avalanchez71 on February 20, 2018, 02:00:34 PM
That is the way I go to Chicagoland.  I avoid Louisville, Indianapolis and the toll bridge.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on July 09, 2018, 03:51:20 PM
Well, this explains the western terminus of the -eastern- segment of KY 8 at Trinity - it connected to a toll ferry to US 52 / Manchester, Ohio over the Ohio River: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Maps/LewisCo1954(1of2).pdf

And the western segment in Boone County was KY 298, ending where KY 8 ends at today.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on July 09, 2018, 09:56:45 PM
I like how KY 377 is hand-labeled on that map.

KY 8 has since been truncated to KY 57 at Concord.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on July 10, 2018, 08:14:25 AM
I still can't find anything, even in old newspapers, about a potential KY 20/I-275 link to KY 8's western terminus in Boone County. It wouldn't serve much and residential sprawl hasn't typically happened along the Ohio River.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on July 10, 2018, 11:32:37 AM
That first I-275 exit in Kentucky, and the short stub road connecting it to KY 20, was originally signed as KY 8. The KY 8 signs were removed from the exit signs on the interstate years ago, but were never replaced. That road's now a 3xxx-series route.

The other section of KY 8 has been truncated to KY 237, and the section extending beyond it to a private road is now under county jurisdiction. I was there last spring and checked it out.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on July 10, 2018, 02:16:57 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 02:01:31 PM
I-65 is just as busy in Tennessee and does just fine without it being six lanes outside of the Nashville area.

No it does not!  Slows down every afternoon going north past Long Hollow Pike towards Millersville, and numerous bad accidents have occurred, many fatal, for years on the downgrade southbound past Ridgetop/Bethel Rd.  And as others have stated, it is notorious for trucks taking up both lanes trying to pass one another with 1/2 MPH difference in speed.  While stuck behind one of these LLB trucks one time about 15 years ago, a piece of “gator” came off of one of this idiot’s trailer tires and damaged my front bumper fascia (one of many reasons why I prefer to own SUVs or pickup trucks now).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on July 12, 2018, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: seicer on July 10, 2018, 08:14:25 AM
I still can't find anything, even in old newspapers, about a potential KY 20/I-275 link to KY 8's western terminus in Boone County. It wouldn't serve much and residential sprawl hasn't typically happened along the Ohio River.

I remember one of the state-printed county maps (maybe 25 years ago) actually showed KY 8 as complete through that gap. But that was completely wrong.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on August 29, 2018, 12:18:37 PM
Routing changes in Lexington:

US 27 is now routed from South Limestone Street to US 68 (South Broadway) via Virginia Avenue. Signage to indicate such has been installed on northbound US 27. Signage on southbound US 27 is still incorrect, as it shows the road being routed via Bolivar and South Upper to South Lime. The signage on extended KY 922 (Oliver Lewis Way) is also incorrect.

US 60 has been rerouted off West High and West Maxwell (near Rupp Arena) onto Oliver Lewis Way (KY 922/the Newtown Pike extension) to intersect US 25 and US 421 (Main Street) west of downtown. This eliminates the short concurrency with US 27 and US 68. Signage in the field does not indicate this, however.

https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/State%20Primary%20Road%20System%20Lists/Fayette.pdf has these changes. https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/SPRS%20Maps/Fayette.pdf does not reflect these changes.

Also, the US 68 four-lane from Paris to Millersburg is complete, as is the two-lane Millersburg bypass. The old route through town is now signed as Business US 68 and shown on maps as US 68X. Construction is underway from the existing end of the reconstructed route to a point north of the US 68/KY 36 intersection southwest of Carlisle.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on September 05, 2018, 03:04:26 PM
Some other big changes in the links HB posted.

KY 1974 now ends at New Circle Road (KY 4).
KY 1723 has been eliminated.
KY 1968 now ends at Man O War.
KY 1681 now ends at Oliver Lewis (KY 922).
KY 1928 (Jefferson Street Overpass) has been eliminated.

KY 1878 has been created: Citation Blvd between Leestown (US 421) and Newtown (KY 922).

All of this is related to the KYTC/LFUCG road swap.

Edit: Forgot the controversial Jefferson Street Overpass elimination.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 05, 2018, 03:43:13 PM
Quote from: CardInLex on September 05, 2018, 03:04:26 PM
Some other big changes in the links HB posted.

KY 1974 now ends at New Circle Road (KY 4).
KY 1723 has been eliminated.
KY 1968 now ends at Man O War.
KY 1681 now ends at Oliver Lewis (KY 922).
KY 1928 (Jefferson Street Overpass) has been eliminated.

KY 1878 has been created: Citation Blvd between Leestown (US 421) and Newtown (KY 922).

All of this is related to the KYTC/LFUCG road swap.

Edit: Forgot the controversial Jefferson Street Overpass elimination.

I knew some of that was going to happen, but am not sure about signage. The Jefferson Street overpass was never signed, and I don't remember the signage for KY 1681 on Oliver Lewis. I do know that US 60 is still not posted to run on Oliver Lewis.

It makes sense for the state to take over Citation. I wish they'd take over Man O'War.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 05, 2018, 04:53:16 PM
KY 1928 / Jefferson Street: That overpass is being proposed for removal, along with the stub for KY 1681 / Old Frankfort Pike, as part of Town Branch Commons. KY 922 / Oliver Lewis Way is sufficient to handle the low traffic loads of Jefferson.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: dvferyance on September 05, 2018, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 02:01:31 PM
I-65 is just as busy in Tennessee and does just fine without it being six lanes outside of the Nashville area.
I agree by biggest issue with Kentucky by far is they have gone way overkill with widening all these rural freeways but ignore widening the urban ones like New Circle Rd and I-64 in Louisville.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 06, 2018, 09:30:48 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 05, 2018, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 02:01:31 PM
I-65 is just as busy in Tennessee and does just fine without it being six lanes outside of the Nashville area.
I agree by biggest issue with Kentucky by far is they have gone way overkill with widening all these rural freeways but ignore widening the urban ones like New Circle Rd and I-64 in Louisville.

There are significant right of way issues with both routes, especially I-64 with the tunnels and park land. Best solution to that would be to widen I-71 inside the Watterson and sign it as an alternate for I-64.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 07, 2018, 08:57:03 AM
The issue with many of Kentucky's rural freeways - I-65 and I-75 especially, isn't that they carry a lot of traffic. They can safely handle their VPD fine. But it's the percentage of trucks that use it that compounds the issue - it's very high, some of the highest percentages for traffic in the nation.

It's also why New Circle Road / KY 4 has remained four lanes for so long. With the exception of the northwest part of the freeway, it really doesn't experience chronic congestion or backups. Traffic flows, sometimes slowly, but it doesn't grind to a halt under normal circumstances. Widening the entrance/exit lanes, and widening the ramps has helped a lot in recent years.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: dvferyance on September 07, 2018, 09:57:51 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 06, 2018, 09:30:48 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 05, 2018, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 02:01:31 PM
I-65 is just as busy in Tennessee and does just fine without it being six lanes outside of the Nashville area.
I agree by biggest issue with Kentucky by far is they have gone way overkill with widening all these rural freeways but ignore widening the urban ones like New Circle Rd and I-64 in Louisville.

There are significant right of way issues with both routes, especially I-64 with the tunnels and park land. Best solution to that would be to widen I-71 inside the Watterson and sign it as an alternate for I-64.
I-64 in Louisville is the equivalent to I-43 on Milwaukee's north shore. Two interstates in the stone age that should have been widened decades ago.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 07, 2018, 10:16:04 AM
I-64 moves for 95% of the day. Even in rush hour, it's not as bad as it could be, mainly because a significant amount of traffic uses I-71 to I-264 or I-265 to reach the eastern suburbs. And now that I-265 is complete, through traffic has another alternative for bypassing that segment. And for inner-city traffic, they use Baxter/Bardstown, Lexington and Frankfort - not I-64, as those city streets are more direct.

Its construction was a compromise - and is why it's just four lanes. For better or worse, it won't be widened.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 07, 2018, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: seicer on September 07, 2018, 08:57:03 AM
The issue with many of Kentucky's rural freeways - I-65 and I-75 especially, isn't that they carry a lot of traffic. They can safely handle their VPD fine. But it's the percentage of trucks that use it that compounds the issue - it's very high, some of the highest percentages for traffic in the nation.

It's also why New Circle Road / KY 4 has remained four lanes for so long. With the exception of the northwest part of the freeway, it really doesn't experience chronic congestion or backups. Traffic flows, sometimes slowly, but it doesn't grind to a halt under normal circumstances. Widening the entrance/exit lanes, and widening the ramps has helped a lot in recent years.

Improvements are being made to the northwestern part of the freeway. One of the biggest problems of afternoon congestion on that segment is the glare from the sun, especially in the fall when the sun gets lower in the sky. It's brutal; I've experienced it. The section from about Newtown/Georgetown around to Leestown is awful.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on May 29, 2019, 03:52:12 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/place/William+H.+Natcher+Bridge/@37.8630769,-87.0062096,5187m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x886fad08f81b1535:0xd1c78c60654fc1a1!8m2!3d37.9013752!4d-87.0340559  I was noticing how close to US 60 that KY 2080 is to the highway.  Also being that the Hatcher Bridge was opened in 2002 with its old crossing located in Owensboro, I assume that KY 2080 was the old US 60 alignment and the current US 60 (and 231) were both constructed along with the bridge opening?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Captain Jack on May 29, 2019, 07:51:50 PM
Yes, KY 2080 is the old US 60 alignment prior to the construction of the bridge.

You can see where the US 60 bypass used to T into this alignment on the eastern edge of Owensboro.

I still get a little confused when I come into Owensboro from the east...mainly because I want to hit the Wonder Whip as I enter town..lol
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jnewkirk77 on May 30, 2019, 03:00:54 AM
Sorry, need to correct this a bit: It's actually KY 2830. And yes, it is the former US 60 northeast of what is now KY 144.

The four-lane from what is now the junction of 144 and 2830 out to the 60/231 Natcher Bridge junction opened in the 1997-98 timeframe, with the bridge itself opening in October '02.

It really doesn't seem like it's all been open that long ... but then I don't feel 41 years old, myself ...  :-D
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on July 07, 2019, 12:46:55 AM
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7kwh2dbx06#page/1/mode/1up/search/%22interstate+64%22

Page 11 - this is a 1962 view of I-64 with what looks like Shelby County. Interesting cost comparisons between asphalt and concrete pavement and where they were used on I-64.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: JMoses24 on August 06, 2019, 09:25:01 PM
Quote from: seicer on January 26, 2018, 01:49:41 PM
Northern

Interstates, Expressways & Parkways

New outer auxiliary lane on I-71/75 from SR 536 north to U42 (C 2024).
New interchange at I-275 and Graves Road - future Exit 7 (C 2022).

The auxiliary lanes for I-71/75 from KY 536 to US 42 is already under construction northbound. The southbound side is slated to be constructed next year. Simultaneously, work is soon to begin on a pair of new Double Crossover Diamond interchanges at Mt Zion (KY 536) and Richwood Road (KY 338) later in the year.

The I-275/Graves Road interchange will begin construction later this year with expected completion in 2022.

Driving NKY Progress (https://www.drivingnkyprogress.org)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on August 13, 2019, 05:20:11 PM
I just wish they would widen US 25 to 4 Lanes from Lexington to Ironworks Pike.

They also need to make a new lane on I-75 from Newtown Pike to Paris Pike that would relieve the rush hour congestion.

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on August 14, 2019, 12:20:49 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on August 13, 2019, 05:20:11 PM
They also need to make a new lane on I-75 from Newtown Pike to Paris Pike that would relieve the rush hour congestion.

SM-G950U

For some reason, over the past 12-18 months, traffic on eastbound I-64/southbound I-75 has been stacking up in the afternoon hours approaching Newtown Pike, and will be stop-and-go at least to Paris Pike and sometimes all the way to the split. I'm not sure why this is happening; I drove that route for years in the afternoon and it didn't happen like this, but it has been like this every time I've been on the way home from Frankfort the last year or so. It's enough to make me start wanting to take US 460 and KY 627 through Georgetown and Paris.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia on October 07, 2019, 11:29:08 PM
did a cursory google search and couldnt find anything

how long is the 75 North welcome center going to be closed?
refurbishment project?
contractor was putting up a fence around the building today, presumably to keep the truckers out of the building as they are still allowed to park on the property as of now.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 08, 2019, 08:41:34 PM
Quote from: Georgia on October 07, 2019, 11:29:08 PM
did a cursory google search and couldnt find anything

how long is the 75 North welcome center going to be closed?
refurbishment project?
contractor was putting up a fence around the building today, presumably to keep the truckers out of the building as they are still allowed to park on the property as of now.

https://kentucky.gov/Pages/Activity-stream.aspx?n=FinanceandAdministrationCabinet&prId=129
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 10, 2019, 01:56:27 PM
I'm not sure if any of you can answer my question, but why does the US 60 Owensboro bypass have it's exits numbered from 10 to 21? Shouldn't the exits be numbered 1 through 12 (or if going by US 60's actual mileage, 161 through 173)?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on October 10, 2019, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 10, 2019, 01:56:27 PM
I'm not sure if any of you can answer my question, but why does the US 60 Owensboro bypass have it's exits numbered from 10 to 21? Shouldn't the exits be numbered 1 through 12 (or if going by US 60's actual mileage, 161 through 173)?

It's probably numbered from where US 60 itself enters Daviess County.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 10, 2019, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on October 10, 2019, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 10, 2019, 01:56:27 PM
I'm not sure if any of you can answer my question, but why does the US 60 Owensboro bypass have it's exits numbered from 10 to 21? Shouldn't the exits be numbered 1 through 12 (or if going by US 60's actual mileage, 161 through 173)?

It's probably numbered from where US 60 itself enters Daviess County.

Correct. For all routes other than interstates or parkways, Kentucky mileage resets at the western or southern border of each county.* A similar situation occurs for the two US 23 exits on the cut-through in Pikeville.

*An exception for I-265, as the numbering begins at KY 841's terminus at US 31W/US 60.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on October 10, 2019, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 10, 2019, 02:27:34 PM
Correct. For all routes other than interstates or parkways, Kentucky mileage resets at the western or southern border of each county.* A similar situation occurs for the two US 23 exits on the cut-through in Pikeville.

KY 9 has precisely one Interstate-style exit in all of Campbell County, which is the one to US 27. It's exit 14 because it's numbered from the Pendleton County line.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on October 11, 2019, 06:02:42 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on October 10, 2019, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 10, 2019, 02:27:34 PM
Correct. For all routes other than interstates or parkways, Kentucky mileage resets at the western or southern border of each county.* A similar situation occurs for the two US 23 exits on the cut-through in Pikeville.

KY 9 has precisely one Interstate-style exit in all of Campbell County, which is the one to US 27. It's exit 14 because it's numbered from the Pendleton County line.

In Tennessee, the mile markers of state highways also reset at county lines, and along most of Tennessee's non-interstate freeways, the exits are unnumbered, with two exceptions in the Nashville area.  TN 155 Briley Pkwy has its first numbered exit as 3 at I-24 on the SE side (roughly 3 miles from the beginning of TN 155 at US 31, but that particular exit is unnumbered), and they go counter-clockwise from there.  This doesn't create confusion since it stays completely in Davidson County.  TN 386 Vietnam Veterans Blvd, however, begins in Davidson County but enters Sumner County almost two miles later for the rest of its run, and the exits were originally unnumbered, but had numbers added later.  I think they changed the mile markers so they no longer reset at the county line so the exit numbers could stay consistent.  The blue median mileage reference markers do not seem to reset, according to GMSV.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on October 23, 2019, 05:48:19 PM
I saw an article in the Louisville newspaper about another bypass around Louisville is it even needed?

I feel like the I-69 bridge and 71/75 bridges are the most pressing need right now.

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on October 23, 2019, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 23, 2019, 05:48:19 PM
I saw an article in the Louisville newspaper about another bypass around Louisville is it even needed?

No. Same for Cincinnati.

Some people just want to build and build and build, and waste our resources just to make a buck. This isn't sustainable.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 24, 2019, 04:53:03 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on October 23, 2019, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 23, 2019, 05:48:19 PM
I saw an article in the Louisville newspaper about another bypass around Louisville is it even needed?

No. Same for Cincinnati.

Some people just want to build and build and build, and waste our resources just to make a buck. This isn't sustainable.

I certainly don't think either one is needed. I know developers are trying to push the Cincy outer loop as a way to open up areas of Gallatin, Owen, Pendleton, Campbell and possibly Bracken counties. I don't know exactly what's fueling the Louisville bypass drive, other than a whole lot of traffic on KY 44 between Shepherdsville and Mt. Washington. I haven't looked at the latest issuance in-depth, but this project was mentioned at a conference I attended last month. They're looking now at possibly doing spot improvements to KY 44, KY 53 and KY 55 in a rough loop involving Bullitt, possibly Spender, Shelby, and Oldham counties. A four-lane KY 44 would be very expensive. Even trying to get turn lanes at major intersections is costly. That corridor has absolutely boomed in the last 35 years. Lots of houses. My aunt lived in one of the last houses on 44 before you cross Floyd's Fork going west toward Mt. Washington (my first cousin lives there now). Now it's wall-to-wall residences along that 11-mile stretch.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 10, 2019, 08:55:30 AM
H.B., did you have a hand in this? These two photos from Catherine Peters are from your neck of the woods  :spin:

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/78567097_2513857425549185_6894982528101253120_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=MY04QmPBc6AAQlgCPnu35Sz8G6HsrYnxmPjdEkwPR31aVJz3QgGuK5EBQ&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=322297f03dafd0b0c2ea8a43bd32817b&oe=5E7E8AA6)

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/78643148_2513857485549179_8663118571276075008_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=X-QVQwZzs14AQlu0sbGvT2TuF7gj7cHwD7q9OKvSq1HXxvhS6QYcJQs8w&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=6c7a79eeeab6032029216eba327e8fb1&oe=5E77EF90)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 11, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
No, I found out about them after the fact. They generated a bit of discussion around here.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: sparker on December 11, 2019, 05:53:47 PM
^^^^^^^^^
Its seems like the now-overused/trite phrase ".....stay in your lane, bro....."  might actually be applicable and even appropriate in the situation illustrated above.     
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on December 11, 2019, 05:58:54 PM
With the new Governor how will that affect all the big road projects on the horizon in Kentucky

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 11, 2019, 09:43:45 PM
Jim Gray, former Lexington mayor and chairman of Gray Construction (well known and competent engineering, design, and construction company) has been named the secretary of KYTC.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on December 11, 2019, 10:26:28 PM
Gray Construction's about to get richer.  Wonder if I can invest.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 12, 2019, 08:04:44 AM
They do not do transportation projects. Plus, Grey has not been involved in any ethic scandals and as mayor, and had no trouble resigning as CEO and Chairman of the company founded by his father (he stayed on in an advisory role). He's still in that role today.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 12, 2019, 12:17:05 PM
Not sure how the legislation will fare, but there's been a bill proposed that would basically codify the SHIFT prioritization process that has been used for the last three years. It would also create a state transportation board similar to what Virginia has, and that board would choose the cabinet secretary and the projects that would move forward. The board would require Senate confirmation, and House members are already speaking out against it, saying it would weaken the House's influence in selecting and funding projects.

(Personal observation follows...)

I don't know Jim Gray. I've never met Jim Gray. All I know about him professionally and politically is that he ran a construction company that was never involved in building roads, and that he was mayor of Lexington and ran unsuccessfully for the Democrat nomination for Congress in the 6th District last year.

Kentucky has no professional requirements for cabinet secretary positions. The former secretary was a PE, but his experience was with public utilities. He did well. His predecessor was a career KYTC engineer, the one before him was a longtime legislator, and the one before him was a mayor and a longtime president of the Kentucky League of Cities. All brought different perspectives and experiences to the table.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 12, 2019, 12:20:31 PM
Quote from: sparker on December 11, 2019, 05:53:47 PM
^^^^^^^^^
Its seems like the now-overused/trite phrase ".....stay in your lane, bro....."  might actually be applicable and even appropriate in the situation illustrated above.   

The effectiveness of this message, and the sentiment behind it, was well-received. But TPTB made it clear that they want pre-approval for future such messaging campaigns.

There is a list of messages that have gotten the OK from some oversight group (NTSB, NHTSA, FHWA, I'm not sure who else may have been involved) and from what I'm told, those messages were on that list.

This location has been the site of several wrecks since construction began, mostly from inattentive drivers. Traffic patterns frequently change.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: seicer on December 12, 2019, 08:04:44 AM
They do not do transportation projects. Plus, Grey has not been involved in any ethic scandals and as mayor, and had no trouble resigning as CEO and Chairman of the company founded by his father (he stayed on in an advisory role). He's still in that role today.
Helps to have friends in high places.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 12, 2019, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: seicer on December 12, 2019, 08:04:44 AM
They do not do transportation projects. Plus, Grey has not been involved in any ethic scandals and as mayor, and had no trouble resigning as CEO and Chairman of the company founded by his father (he stayed on in an advisory role). He's still in that role today.
Helps to have friends in high places.

Jim Gray is a friend and he has not been embroiled in any sort of scandal, but continue believing in your personal vendetta (with zero evidence to back up your assertions) against a well-liked entrepreneur, mayor, and LGBT+ advocate. His track record of managing large-scale construction projects and overseeing a well-respected engineering and construction company speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
It's not a vendetta.  Just as you may be biased by your friendship with him, I'm biased by my experience with businessmen entering the public arena and an almost inevitable progression towards their companies benefitting from such -- even if they follow all legal procedures.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 12, 2019, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
It's not a vendetta.  Just as you may be biased by your friendship with him, I'm biased by my experience with businessmen entering the public arena and an almost inevitable progression towards their companies benefitting from such -- even if they follow all legal procedures

Like entrenched contractors, engineers, and politicians who meddle in state DOT's, like NTSDOT? Or the New York State Thruway? The Mario Cuomo bridge renaming didn't just happen, nor was it suspiciously under-cost (and now embroiled in a lawsuit). I'm sure you were keeping tabs in your home base as much as you have been with Kentucky.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 06:45:11 PM


Quote from: seicer on December 12, 2019, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
It's not a vendetta.  Just as you may be biased by your friendship with him, I'm biased by my experience with businessmen entering the public arena and an almost inevitable progression towards their companies benefitting from such -- even if they follow all legal procedures

Like entrenched contractors, engineers, and politicians who meddle in state DOT's, like NTSDOT? Or the New York State Thruway? The Mario Cuomo bridge renaming didn't just happen, nor was it suspiciously under-cost (and now embroiled in a lawsuit). I'm sure you were keeping tabs in your home base as much as you have been with Kentucky.

Corruption knows no state lines.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: edwaleni on December 12, 2019, 10:17:57 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 06:45:11 PM


Quote from: seicer on December 12, 2019, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
It's not a vendetta.  Just as you may be biased by your friendship with him, I'm biased by my experience with businessmen entering the public arena and an almost inevitable progression towards their companies benefitting from such -- even if they follow all legal procedures

Like entrenched contractors, engineers, and politicians who meddle in state DOT's, like NTSDOT? Or the New York State Thruway? The Mario Cuomo bridge renaming didn't just happen, nor was it suspiciously under-cost (and now embroiled in a lawsuit). I'm sure you were keeping tabs in your home base as much as you have been with Kentucky.

Corruption knows no state lines.

The next time you drive on I-24 from Kentucky to Illinois, you can say that again (and again.....)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 12, 2019, 11:29:47 PM
One of the best things about Kentucky is that it usually has a divided house/senate/governorship, so there are always compromises, debates, and checks-and-balances. The last four years were anything but that. We are getting off-topic at this point, and pointing accusations about someone who is only a few days into their new job is just asinine. Let's leave that for other forums.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: qguy on December 13, 2019, 06:34:39 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
It's not a vendetta.  Just as you may be biased by your friendship with him, I'm biased by my experience with businessmen entering the public arena and an almost inevitable progression towards their companies benefitting from such -- even if they follow all legal procedures.

I think a much greater problem is career politicians becoming extremely wealthy when their public salaries don't seem to support their accumulation of wealth.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 13, 2019, 11:34:19 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
It's not a vendetta.  Just as you may be biased by your friendship with him, I'm biased by my experience with businessmen entering the public arena and an almost inevitable progression towards their companies benefitting from such -- even if they follow all legal procedures.

It's the nature of political appointments in Kentucky. But in this case, Gray was chosen because of his experience as Lexington mayor -- and his maximum campaign donations to the new governor -- and not because of his professional experience in a non-highway-related construction company. His firm primarily built commercial buildings.

As stated earlier, I don't know Jim Gray. I'm sure I will meet him at some point due to the nature of my job. I didn't vote for the new governor. I don't have much use for Gray's politics. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Quote from: seicer on December 12, 2019, 02:31:05 PMLGBT+ advocate.

Not sure what that has to do with running the Transportation Cabinet. I don't see that as a qualifying characteristic. There are already scores of prohibitions against sexual harassment or discrimination. His sexuality should not be a factor in how he runs the agency. And I hope that it does not become a factor.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on December 13, 2019, 02:02:18 PM


Quote from: qguy on December 13, 2019, 06:34:39 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
It's not a vendetta.  Just as you may be biased by your friendship with him, I'm biased by my experience with businessmen entering the public arena and an almost inevitable progression towards their companies benefitting from such -- even if they follow all legal procedures.

I think a much greater problem is career politicians becoming extremely wealthy when their public salaries don't seem to support their accumulation of wealth.

The two problems are not exclusive.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: JMoses24 on December 24, 2019, 10:06:13 PM
Quote from: JMoses24 on August 06, 2019, 09:25:01 PM
Quote from: seicer on January 26, 2018, 01:49:41 PM
Northern

Interstates, Expressways & Parkways

New outer auxiliary lane on I-71/75 from SR 536 north to U42 (C 2024).
New interchange at I-275 and Graves Road - future Exit 7 (C 2022).

The auxiliary lanes for I-71/75 from KY 536 to US 42 is already under construction northbound. The southbound side is slated to be constructed next year. Simultaneously, work is soon to begin on a pair of new Double Crossover Diamond interchanges at Mt Zion (KY 536) and Richwood Road (KY 338) later in the year.

The I-275/Graves Road interchange will begin construction later this year with expected completion in 2022.

Driving NKY Progress (https://www.drivingnkyprogress.org)

Northbound is done. New signage has gone up over the auxiliary lane which is now an exit only lane to US 42. What gets me is why the 1 mile and the second are both on such big gantries.

https://imgur.com/gallery/FeNGIDS
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 26, 2019, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: JMoses24 on December 24, 2019, 10:06:13 PM
Quote from: JMoses24 on August 06, 2019, 09:25:01 PM
Quote from: seicer on January 26, 2018, 01:49:41 PM
Northern

Interstates, Expressways & Parkways

New outer auxiliary lane on I-71/75 from SR 536 north to U42 (C 2024).
New interchange at I-275 and Graves Road - future Exit 7 (C 2022).

The auxiliary lanes for I-71/75 from KY 536 to US 42 is already under construction northbound. The southbound side is slated to be constructed next year. Simultaneously, work is soon to begin on a pair of new Double Crossover Diamond interchanges at Mt Zion (KY 536) and Richwood Road (KY 338) later in the year.

The I-275/Graves Road interchange will begin construction later this year with expected completion in 2022.

Driving NKY Progress (https://www.drivingnkyprogress.org)

Northbound is done. New signage has gone up over the auxiliary lane which is now an exit only lane to US 42. What gets me is why the 1 mile and the second are both on such big gantries.

https://imgur.com/gallery/FeNGIDS

Possibly going to add some signage for the other lanes at some point in the future?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on December 27, 2019, 09:08:14 PM
I was looking at various APD and APD-type four-lane highways in mountainous eastern Kentucky, and I noticed that quite a lot of the mileage has paved, mountable, traversable medians, but marked two-way left turn lanes are relatively rare. Is it legal to use such medians as left turn lanes? Or, if not legal generally tolerated?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 28, 2019, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on December 27, 2019, 09:08:14 PM
I was looking at various APD and APD-type four-lane highways in mountainous eastern Kentucky, and I noticed that quite a lot of the mileage has paved, mountable, traversable medians, but marked two-way left turn lanes are relatively rare. Is it legal to use such medians as left turn lanes? Or, if mnot legal generally tolerated?

They're commonly used as such. One of these projects (a portion of US 23) was built years ago as a federal "demonstration" project. I'm not sure exactly what concept was being demonstrated; possibly the mountable median.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 16, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Saw this tidbit in a KYTC District 12 post (https://www.facebook.com/KYTCD12/posts/3197077263641676?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCQ9NOneDxZOdckD2PcUuwem7TyalSGQCmxJR9cbyx6jf5MvylC8YqWNm_I24K31gXqWDF6MSoVdu9Z4RUz8t3ChMShWpJi-Sn_CR-Nd32Zv-icSvVgC5gYlPhBa23EbHbtC2EPOb1CnoRIR0crAz-c0OH-j50vFaJmPWFwUZbz4J3JwW6yczfYZSpShJPS7KkuKYiD5OEHzjLcmQhRiKAlXUKGOtIo49VlzFldB9CCuvuU2aTGmQMkmIXblNzgFCe7xpuzBEuM97MqQ7WKx8-lWbIuW4PPl8fCc0spNNYyMiDxbY08z9qiZLFMJxtevO_wjRQTAK-6vJ0Lj4AruiA75w&__tn__=-R) about the installation of new reflectors.

"Yes, These are replacing raised markers, many of which have been demolished or damaged by the type of traffic on our highways( SUVs, heavy trucks, and such). Inlaid markers cannot be torn from the pavement or crushed like raised ones can. Also, during the next cycle of striping, we are changing from the type of paint used in recent years back to thermoplastic. This will make a huge difference. Briefly, the paint now on the roads has teeny, tiny pieces of ground glass in it. When headlights hit the glass, it reflects back to the driver so that you can see the lines clearly at night. However, if the glass is wet, the reflection diffuses and goes in different directions, which is why we can't see the lines at night. Thermoplastic works much better in areas like ours where we have moisture on the road more often than not (condensation from fog, for example; it doesn't have to be heavy rainfall)."

Looks like thermoplastic is back to being used, at least in District 12.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jnewkirk77 on January 16, 2020, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: seicer on January 16, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Saw this tidbit in a KYTC District 12 post (https://www.facebook.com/KYTCD12/posts/3197077263641676?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCQ9NOneDxZOdckD2PcUuwem7TyalSGQCmxJR9cbyx6jf5MvylC8YqWNm_I24K31gXqWDF6MSoVdu9Z4RUz8t3ChMShWpJi-Sn_CR-Nd32Zv-icSvVgC5gYlPhBa23EbHbtC2EPOb1CnoRIR0crAz-c0OH-j50vFaJmPWFwUZbz4J3JwW6yczfYZSpShJPS7KkuKYiD5OEHzjLcmQhRiKAlXUKGOtIo49VlzFldB9CCuvuU2aTGmQMkmIXblNzgFCe7xpuzBEuM97MqQ7WKx8-lWbIuW4PPl8fCc0spNNYyMiDxbY08z9qiZLFMJxtevO_wjRQTAK-6vJ0Lj4AruiA75w&__tn__=-R) about the installation of new reflectors.

"Yes, These are replacing raised markers, many of which have been demolished or damaged by the type of traffic on our highways( SUVs, heavy trucks, and such). Inlaid markers cannot be torn from the pavement or crushed like raised ones can. Also, during the next cycle of striping, we are changing from the type of paint used in recent years back to thermoplastic. This will make a huge difference. Briefly, the paint now on the roads has teeny, tiny pieces of ground glass in it. When headlights hit the glass, it reflects back to the driver so that you can see the lines clearly at night. However, if the glass is wet, the reflection diffuses and goes in different directions, which is why we can't see the lines at night. Thermoplastic works much better in areas like ours where we have moisture on the road more often than not (condensation from fog, for example; it doesn't have to be heavy rainfall)."

Looks like thermoplastic is back to being used, at least in District 12.

They're using thermoplastic in D2 as well, on parts of US 60 that were resurfaced late in '19, and the recently-rebuilt I-165 from Ohio County into Daviess County. The inlaid markers have been going in for the past 3 or 4 years. The first ones I saw were on KY 2831 in Owensboro (Frederica Street, formerly US 431) and they've been installing them whenever there's been a resurfacing project.

(EDIT: Sorry, I goofed on I-165 and typed 65 originally ... no coffee yet this morning. LOL!)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on January 16, 2020, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: seicer on January 16, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Saw this tidbit in a KYTC District 12 post (https://www.facebook.com/KYTCD12/posts/3197077263641676?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCQ9NOneDxZOdckD2PcUuwem7TyalSGQCmxJR9cbyx6jf5MvylC8YqWNm_I24K31gXqWDF6MSoVdu9Z4RUz8t3ChMShWpJi-Sn_CR-Nd32Zv-icSvVgC5gYlPhBa23EbHbtC2EPOb1CnoRIR0crAz-c0OH-j50vFaJmPWFwUZbz4J3JwW6yczfYZSpShJPS7KkuKYiD5OEHzjLcmQhRiKAlXUKGOtIo49VlzFldB9CCuvuU2aTGmQMkmIXblNzgFCe7xpuzBEuM97MqQ7WKx8-lWbIuW4PPl8fCc0spNNYyMiDxbY08z9qiZLFMJxtevO_wjRQTAK-6vJ0Lj4AruiA75w&__tn__=-R) about the installation of new reflectors.

"Yes, These are replacing raised markers, many of which have been demolished or damaged by the type of traffic on our highways( SUVs, heavy trucks, and such). Inlaid markers cannot be torn from the pavement or crushed like raised ones can. Also, during the next cycle of striping, we are changing from the type of paint used in recent years back to thermoplastic. This will make a huge difference. Briefly, the paint now on the roads has teeny, tiny pieces of ground glass in it. When headlights hit the glass, it reflects back to the driver so that you can see the lines clearly at night. However, if the glass is wet, the reflection diffuses and goes in different directions, which is why we can't see the lines at night. Thermoplastic works much better in areas like ours where we have moisture on the road more often than not (condensation from fog, for example; it doesn't have to be heavy rainfall)."

Looks like thermoplastic is back to being used, at least in District 12.

I really wish NC would use thermoplastic markings!  Since they can't seem to keep the freeway lighting working anywhere in Charlotte, the thermoplastic lines would help!

Anyway, regarding the new way that KTC installs reflectors, it used to be that KY was the only state where I had seen this done.  Last week on I-85 a few miles north of US 70 in Durham County, NC, I saw a one mile stretch where it looks like they installed some new reflectors KY-style, possibly for testing purposes.  Yesterday I drove that same stretch southbound and that side didn't have them installed, so it's northbound only.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 16, 2020, 10:15:29 AM
On I-75 north of Georgetown after a repaving project, they were testing out the spacings of the reflective bollards - bunching them up on corners/curves and spacing them out further on the straight-aways.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on January 16, 2020, 10:34:45 AM
Quote from: seicer on January 16, 2020, 10:15:29 AM
On I-75 north of Georgetown after a repaving project, they were testing out the spacings of the reflective bollards - bunching them up on corners/curves and spacing them out further on the straight-aways.

That's interesting.  I know that OH spaces their reflectors out to one every three dashes, unlike most states that use one every other dash.  GA and FL use one between every single dash, and MS appears to use them between every single dash in the vicinity of exits and going around curves, otherwise every other dash.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 16, 2020, 01:44:48 PM
The reflectivity of the paint used in striping has long been a source of complaints in Kentucky. When I visited the statewide materials testing lab in Frankfort year before last as part of a class, they said Kentucky was changing its standards in search of paint that's more reflective on rainy nights.

Regarding pavement markers, Kentucky used to install these on a lot of rural two-lane routes, which to me was a blessing because it's hard to see the centerline on rainy nights. Unfortunately, this was being done as part of a study, and the research showed that they did not significantly reduce the number of wrecks, so Kentucky quit using them. They still use them on divided highways, which to me makes no sense at all. Seems like they'd be more useful to delineate the centerline of a road with two-way traffic, vs. between lanes of a multi-lane road.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 29, 2020, 12:06:48 PM
Beshear recommends no tax increase to fund Kentucky road projects (https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article239714173.html)

Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear is not seeking any additional dollars for the state's $1.5 billion Road Fund but has some major road projects in mind.

On that list are speeding up the Mountain Parkway widening project in Eastern Kentucky and building an I-69 bridge in Western Kentucky.

"Transportation is critical for the safety of our families and the future of our businesses,"  said Beshear during a joint session of the Kentucky General Assembly. "And the right projects provide opportunities to transform regional economics, to provide a better future."
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 29, 2020, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: seicer on January 29, 2020, 12:06:48 PM
Beshear recommends no tax increase to fund Kentucky road projects (https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article239714173.html)

Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear is not seeking any additional dollars for the state's $1.5 billion Road Fund but has some major road projects in mind.

On that list are speeding up the Mountain Parkway widening project in Eastern Kentucky and building an I-69 bridge in Western Kentucky.

"Transportation is critical for the safety of our families and the future of our businesses,"  said Beshear during a joint session of the Kentucky General Assembly. "And the right projects provide opportunities to transform regional economics, to provide a better future."

A whole bunch of entities, including the Kentuckians for Better Transportation, Kentucky Chamber of Commerce, Kentucky League of Cities, and Kentucky Association of Counties, are advocating a 10-cent-per-gallon tax increase. I don't know if such a proposal has been officially initiated yet in this legislative session, but some Republicans filed a bill in the last session. It went nowhere.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Buck87 on January 29, 2020, 02:31:47 PM
How long has it been since the last gas tax increase in Kentucky?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on January 29, 2020, 05:00:49 PM
I would think the Brent Spence bridge would be the highest priority.

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:34:58 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 29, 2020, 02:31:47 PM
How long has it been since the last gas tax increase in Kentucky?

Not all that long. They raised the floor a few years ago, which resulted in an increase of a cent or two.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 30, 2020, 01:57:22 PM
It's pegged to inflation, which is good politically.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 31, 2020, 10:09:37 AM
The latest 2020 Recommended Highway Plan at https://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Pages/2020-Recommended-Highway-Plan.aspx with highlights below:

Interstates and Parkways

I-64

I-65

I-69

I-71

I-75

Other Interstates

Major Parkways

US Routes

US 25

US 27

US 60

Other

State Routes

KY 4/New Circle Road

KY 9/AA Highway

Other
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Buck87 on February 03, 2020, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: seicer on January 31, 2020, 10:09:37 AM
  • 11-14.80 | C | FY 2025 | $61 million: Widen I-75 from milepost 20 in Whitley County to US 25E north of Corbin

Nice to see the widening is planned to continue further south. Most of the section listed here should be pretty standard widening, though there's one small section that will take some major work, immediately south of US 25E at the Lauren River (or maybe that's a tributary.) Those bridges there will need replaced, and there will most likely need to be rock blasting done immediately south of those bridges as well. 
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 06, 2020, 04:12:18 PM
Major flooding taking place in southeastern Kentucky. The flood walls are closed at Pineville, meaning US 25E is closed between Cumberland Gap and I-75.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on February 06, 2020, 08:32:36 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 06, 2020, 04:12:18 PM
Major flooding taking place in southeastern Kentucky. The flood walls are closed at Pineville, meaning US 25E is closed between Cumberland Gap and I-75.
Yikes.

Of course, in some of those hollers, you can tell how high the flood was by the toilet paper left in the trees...
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 07, 2020, 12:20:44 PM
They reopened 25E a few hours later yesterday. I heard a media report that this was the first time the gates had been closed in 30 years. The floodwall was built after a devastating 1977 flood and the new route of 25E was built atop it.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on February 12, 2020, 08:21:34 PM
With Mitch McConnell successfully getting the DoD to select Fort Knox as the fourth headquarters of the Army, do you all think we'll finally see the Gene Snyder (KY 841) between I-65 and US 31W/US 60 finally given the I-265 designation that the rest of the Gene Snyder has? (Albeit the northeastern most section that hasn't been signed yet).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 13, 2020, 06:57:09 AM
Quote from: CardInLex on February 12, 2020, 08:21:34 PM
With Mitch McConnell successfully getting the DoD to select Fort Knox as the fourth headquarters of the Army, do you all think we'll finally see the Gene Snyder (KY 841) between I-65 and US 31W/US 60 finally given the I-265 designation that the rest of the Gene Snyder has? (Albeit the northeastern most section that hasn't been signed yet).

To clarify, Fort Knox is going to host the Headquarters of V Corps, which is being reactivated this year:

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/02/12/army-resurrects-v-corps-after-seven-years-to-bolster-europe/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_Corps_(United_States)

I happen to have a game about V Corps...

(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/opengraph/img/9qJFzTfFdKflKqg2PF-bYlRUOTI=/fit-in/1200x630/pic2736742.jpg)





Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 13, 2020, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: CardInLex on February 12, 2020, 08:21:34 PM
With Mitch McConnell successfully getting the DoD to select Fort Knox as the fourth headquarters of the Army, do you all think we'll finally see the Gene Snyder (KY 841) between I-65 and US 31W/US 60 finally given the I-265 designation that the rest of the Gene Snyder has? (Albeit the northeastern most section that hasn't been signed yet).

Doubtful. I think most Ft. Knox traffic uses I-65 and KY 313.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on February 14, 2020, 05:02:29 PM
I stumbled upon an odd bridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2560965,-83.268419,3a,48.6y,97.06h,95.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0G7PjRGYtdSZjFcGBykHfw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D0G7PjRGYtdSZjFcGBykHfw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D225.5279%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) over the Daniel Boone/Hal Rogers Parkway at mile 55 just west of Hazard.  It's built of precast concrete voided slabs and was completed in 1991, while the rest of the highway was built in the mid '70s with the arched concrete T beam bridges that are so ubiquitous in Kentucky.  The tacked-on W beam guardrail looks like something from Texas or maybe Missouri, nothing I'd expect to find in Kentucky outside of some remote county road (though, actually, it is a remote county road!). There's got to be a story behind it. Maybe a coal company built it. Or the county. Or maybe it was an experiment.

Other than the chintzy guardrail, I find the rectilinear lines to be rather handsome, and a welcome change from the ubiquity of those T beam bridges. There's money for an interchange in the state's new transportation plan, and HB tells me that the bridge will be replaced. Too bad, IMO.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 14, 2020, 09:58:09 PM
Blair Fork Circle Road was built to connect KY Route 451 and Briarfork Road and Hurricane Branch Road. It doesn't appear that a bridge had ever been planned for the site.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 15, 2020, 08:27:18 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 14, 2020, 09:58:09 PM
Blair Fork Circle Road was built to connect KY Route 451 and Briarfork Road and Hurricane Branch Road. It doesn't appear that a bridge had ever been planned for the site.

I wonder if either: 1.) A coal company built that bridge to get coal from mines on the south side of the parkway over to KY 451 to haul out, or 2.) The county built that bridge under an encroachment permit. I might be able to ask at work.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on February 16, 2020, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 15, 2020, 08:27:18 PMI wonder if either: 1.) A coal company built that bridge to get coal from mines on the south side of the parkway over to KY 451 to haul out, or 2.) The county built that bridge under an encroachment permit. I might be able to ask at work.

I'd appreciate that. The real question for me isn't why the bridge was built, but why it was built to such an unusual design. If it was an AASHTO beam or plate girder bridge, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 16, 2020, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on February 16, 2020, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 15, 2020, 08:27:18 PMI wonder if either: 1.) A coal company built that bridge to get coal from mines on the south side of the parkway over to KY 451 to haul out, or 2.) The county built that bridge under an encroachment permit. I might be able to ask at work.

I'd appreciate that. The real question for me isn't why the bridge was built, but why it was built to such an unusual design. If it was an AASHTO beam or plate girder bridge, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That bridge design isn't all that uncommon for a lot of county roads, or even state highways for that matter, for stream crossings. See this bridge built not all that long ago on KY 11/KY 15 in Powell County crossing the Middle Fork of the Red River:

(Note: Street View does not have a recent image, and the KYTC Photolog is not loading for me at this time, but search for KY 11 in Powell County at MP 4.1 for an image of the new bridge. I will edit this post if I can get the link to come up for me.)

What is unusual is to see such a bridge spanning a limited access parkway.

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on February 16, 2020, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2020, 06:46:20 PM
What is unusual is to see such a bridge spanning a limited access parkway.

Exactly. There are plenty in Georgia, especially in the northwest part of the state, but almost exclusively for low-volume rural roads. However, there's also this one carrying I-575 over Barrett Parkway just north of the junction with I-75 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0140331,-84.5590729,3a,75y,58.06h,90.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3s2OknkB3lU1RVQzLnFLhA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), which was built in 1979 or so.*

Looking back at the satellite view of the area around the one near Hazard, there was in fact a huge strip mining operation there, now closed down and covered with green. The coal haul road theory is very convincing. Perhaps the new interchange is meant to make that area easier to market for development.

*I guess they chose voided slabs because they really wanted to keep the structure height to a minimum, though it could've been an experiment. Either way, both the northbound and southbound bridges are voided slabs even though there's plenty of headroom on the northbound side. As you see, they used regular AASHTO beams for the Tollercoaster, which is carried on those hammerhead columns.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: edwaleni on February 16, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 06, 2020, 04:12:18 PM
Major flooding taking place in southeastern Kentucky. The flood walls are closed at Pineville, meaning US 25E is closed between Cumberland Gap and I-75.

I thought all the flood walls were to keep water off of US-25E when they closed? Like at Tennessee Ave and Pine street.

Or are you talking about the wall at Park Ave?

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: milbfan on February 16, 2020, 11:18:35 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 16, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 06, 2020, 04:12:18 PM
Major flooding taking place in southeastern Kentucky. The flood walls are closed at Pineville, meaning US 25E is closed between Cumberland Gap and I-75.

I thought all the flood walls were to keep water off of US-25E when they closed? Like at Tennessee Ave and Pine street.

Or are you talking about the wall at Park Ave?

Near Park Ave/South End and near Dairy Queen/Northwest End.

According to this:  https://www.middlesborodailynews.com/2020/02/06/flood-gates-in-pineville-are-planned-to-be-closed-at-2-p-m/

Not sure about the other two gates being closed.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 17, 2020, 12:31:45 PM
Highway safety project to upgrade six miles of US 60 around Rowan-Bath county line (https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictNine/Pages/PressReleasePage.aspx?&FilterField1=ID&FilterValue1=591)

The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet will upgrade six miles of US 60 around the Rowan-Bath county line this year as part of a Highway Safety Improvement Program (HSIP) project.

The project includes realigning a sharp curve at Bluestone and replacing the KY 801 intersection at Farmers with a mini-roundabout, as well as pavement improvements, new rumble strips, improved roadway markings, new guardrails and signs on US 60 from Cherry Lane at Midland in Bath County to Bluestone Road in Rowan County.

The mini-roundabout, a key component of the project, is designed to improve traffic efficiency and safety by changing the US 60-KY 801 intersection's traffic flow.

Despite existing flashing beacons, oversized stop signs and rumble strips in use there, the four-way-stop intersection currently sees a high number of high-speed, T-bone (right angle) and other types of severe crashes.

Replacing the intersection with a mini-roundabout will slow down approaching vehicles and direct all traffic into yield and merge movements. This will reduce the number of places where traffic crosses paths, thereby helping to prevent those right-angle and severe crashes.

Mini-roundabouts, which operate like regular roundabouts but in a much smaller footprint, promote efficient traffic flow by keeping cars moving. They also feature a middle island than can be driven across to accommodate large trucks, vehicles hauling boats, and similar traffic.

State highway engineers will hold an informational meeting in Farmers this month about mini-roundabouts and how they work, as well as about the overall US 60 safety project.

The meeting will take place 6-7 p.m. Feb. 20 at the Farmers Christian Church fellowship hall on KY 801 south near the US 60 intersection.

The public will be able to drop in at any time during that time to talk to highway engineers and look at plans for the safety project.

--

Curve realignment: https://goo.gl/maps/FpcTq7Gsa5wE7FVL6 (my assumption)

US 60 and KY Route 801 intersection: https://goo.gl/maps/vu6bgDZdGm8b63nHA
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 07, 2020, 08:12:44 PM
The last remaining text-based exit sign in Kentucky has been replaced.

https://goo.gl/maps/Q1rkC1k8njkk71KB6

Noticed this on Monday. I was also by there today, but was unable to get a photo of the new signage either time.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ilpt4u on March 08, 2020, 07:34:20 PM
I made a drive down to Paducah this weekend...sorry I did not take any pictures, but a couple of notes since the last time I was south of the Ohio:

1) The I-24 Mile Markers in Paducah have been replaced, with a Green and White "urban"  style marker that has the route shield and mileage...but KYTC has left the route shield Green and White also...looks like a Business 24 shield, which there is a BL 24 in Paducah that is a different road. I feel like this should be a normal blue I-shield on these mile markers, but that probably makes them more expensive to make, and I doubt they will be changed out again for awhile anyway

2) Last time I was down that way, I knew the US 60/Hinkleville Rd with I-24 Interchange was being reconfigured and rebuilt...I had guessed it was being made a SPUI...Nope! Nice, new DDI. I didn't think the traffic flow was signed very well for US 60 thru traffic. I am familiar with DDIs, and I'm sure the Paducah locals have figured out the traffic flow, also. An overhead BGS or two would be nice, IMHO

2b) KYTC doubled down on I-24 West's Control being St Louis. Brand new roadside BGSs placed at the new DDI clearly list Nashville and St Louis on the I-24 signs from US 60

GSV has driven thru and photoed this new DDI, although the GSV imagery does not appear it is fully after construction was completed
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 09, 2020, 12:07:18 PM
St. Louis begins appearing at the US 68 exit. Prior to that, St. Louis had been replaced with Paducah everywhere except one exit down near Hopkinsville, and that signage may have been changed out to reflect Paducah instead of St. Louis since I was last there.

Kentucky hasn't bought into Tennessee's use of Clarksville, though.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on March 16, 2020, 11:03:29 AM
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/dailyindependent.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/6c/26cd8d7c-6565-11ea-9105-df7f015f051f/5e6be64699b76.image.jpg)

I'm wondering how they will fit five lanes along US 23 by the houses and the railroad tracks. And if you look closely enough at the image, you'll see an Amtrak train with an electric catenary setup: https://goo.gl/maps/3vteE645ScUg2iHd6

Spring start for viaduct construction (https://www.dailyindependent.com/news/spring-start-for-viaduct-construction/article_e63e05ac-6564-11ea-897e-2b27a12f7bb4.html)

Construction of a replacement viaduct taking Ky. 244 (Belfonte Street) from downtown Russell to U.S. 23 is expected to start in the spring, a Kentucky Department of Highways spokesman said.

The department has hired a contractor to build the viaduct for $20.6 million, spokesman Allen Blair said.

The viaduct will replace an aging structure that ramps up from Belfonte Street in downtown Russell to U.S. 23. The new route starts at about the same point but veers left and then loops over the river bank, the old structure, the CSX railroad tracks and U.S. 23.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on March 27, 2020, 08:21:22 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 09, 2020, 12:07:18 PM
St. Louis begins appearing at the US 68 exit. Prior to that, St. Louis had been replaced with Paducah everywhere except one exit down near Hopkinsville, and that signage may have been changed out to reflect Paducah instead of St. Louis since I was last there.

Kentucky hasn't bought into Tennessee's use of Clarksville, though.
Kentucky always pushes it's own cities it seams

Just like Huntington should be on signs going east but its Ashland

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on March 27, 2020, 09:43:58 PM
Quote from: seicer on March 16, 2020, 11:03:29 AM
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/dailyindependent.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/6c/26cd8d7c-6565-11ea-9105-df7f015f051f/5e6be64699b76.image.jpg)

I'm wondering how they will fit five lanes along US 23 by the houses and the railroad tracks. And if you look closely enough at the image, you'll see an Amtrak train with an electric catenary setup: https://goo.gl/maps/3vteE645ScUg2iHd6

Spring start for viaduct construction (https://www.dailyindependent.com/news/spring-start-for-viaduct-construction/article_e63e05ac-6564-11ea-897e-2b27a12f7bb4.html)

Construction of a replacement viaduct taking Ky. 244 (Belfonte Street) from downtown Russell to U.S. 23 is expected to start in the spring, a Kentucky Department of Highways spokesman said.

The department has hired a contractor to build the viaduct for $20.6 million, spokesman Allen Blair said.

The viaduct will replace an aging structure that ramps up from Belfonte Street in downtown Russell to U.S. 23. The new route starts at about the same point but veers left and then loops over the river bank, the old structure, the CSX railroad tracks and U.S. 23.

So I take it the road going off to the lower right in the sketch is KY 750 Kenwood Drive?  That type of connection would do an excellent job of connecting old Russell (by the river) with new Russell (on the hill).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on March 27, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
That old viaduct is ancient (1938, actually (http://bridgereports.com/1211865)), but it's pretty. Have a  look (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5255555,-82.6891242,3a,20.9y,92.66h,94.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxh4AGhGy8T-8cJaCQ2SQdg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dxh4AGhGy8T-8cJaCQ2SQdg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D355.05737%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on March 27, 2020, 11:07:48 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on March 27, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
That old viaduct is ancient (1938, actually (http://bridgereports.com/1211865)), but it's pretty. Have a  look (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5255555,-82.6891242,3a,20.9y,92.66h,94.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxh4AGhGy8T-8cJaCQ2SQdg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dxh4AGhGy8T-8cJaCQ2SQdg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D355.05737%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).

Yes I went over it many many times in my youth, as well as the old Russell-Ironton Bridge, which to me was never a scary bridge.  My mom bought an Oldsmobile in Ironton back in the 80's and used to get it serviced at the dealer.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Captain Jack on March 27, 2020, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on March 27, 2020, 08:21:22 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 09, 2020, 12:07:18 PM
St. Louis begins appearing at the US 68 exit. Prior to that, St. Louis had been replaced with Paducah everywhere except one exit down near Hopkinsville, and that signage may have been changed out to reflect Paducah instead of St. Louis since I was last there.

Kentucky hasn't bought into Tennessee's use of Clarksville, though.
Kentucky always pushes it's own cities it seams

Just like Huntington should be on signs going east but its Ashland

SM-G950U

It should be Huntington, and yes, they do.

Elizabethtown is still the control for I-69 from I-24 to the Pennyrile-Breathitt, even though it goes nowhere near it now. If they are going to use this mindset, why did they replace Hopkinsville with Fulton for the southbound traffic?

Evansville doesn't appear on a single mileage or directional sign, regardless that probably 60-70% of the northbound traffic from Madisonville north is heading towards the bridge. No Evansville, but there are mileage signs for KY podunks 20-30 miles away from the highway like Morganfield and Providence.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: sparker on March 28, 2020, 04:51:55 AM
Quote from: Tom958 on March 27, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
That old viaduct is ancient (1938, actually (http://bridgereports.com/1211865)), but it's pretty. Have a  look (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5255555,-82.6891242,3a,20.9y,92.66h,94.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxh4AGhGy8T-8cJaCQ2SQdg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dxh4AGhGy8T-8cJaCQ2SQdg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D355.05737%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).

The type of structure pictured is markedly similar to CA bridge design from the same period (cf. the L.A. River bridges east of the Figueroa Tunnels, later incorporated into the Arroyo Seco Parkway/old US 66).  The original Ramona Parkway, itself later absorbed by the San Bernardino Freeway, featured similar bridge structures dating from approximately the same time period (late '30's to just after WW II).  I'll always wonder if that was simply a preferred design style nationally during that era -- or if other states' highway departments (no omnibus DOT's back then!) were on the CH&PW mailing list -- and they liked what they saw illustrated there.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on March 28, 2020, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: sparker on March 28, 2020, 04:51:55 AMThe type of structure pictured is markedly similar to CA bridge design from the same period (cf. the L.A. River bridges east of the Figueroa Tunnels, later incorporated into the Arroyo Seco Parkway/old US 66).  The original Ramona Parkway, itself later absorbed by the San Bernardino Freeway, featured similar bridge structures dating from approximately the same time period (late '30's to just after WW II).  I'll always wonder if that was simply a preferred design style nationally during that era -- or if other states' highway departments (no omnibus DOT's back then!) were on the CH&PW mailing list -- and they liked what they saw illustrated there.

I'd say the former.

It's unlikely to happen, but I wish they leave the part that's not over the railroad. There's a lovely similar structure roughly 1200 feet long (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4807859,-81.9518121,3a,40.9y,301.99h,81.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbRodkxWCwHNVV-ARZF3o0g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) still standing, except for the northernmost span, in North Augusta, SC.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: sparker on March 28, 2020, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on March 28, 2020, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: sparker on March 28, 2020, 04:51:55 AMThe type of structure pictured is markedly similar to CA bridge design from the same period (cf. the L.A. River bridges east of the Figueroa Tunnels, later incorporated into the Arroyo Seco Parkway/old US 66).  The original Ramona Parkway, itself later absorbed by the San Bernardino Freeway, featured similar bridge structures dating from approximately the same time period (late '30's to just after WW II).  I'll always wonder if that was simply a preferred design style nationally during that era -- or if other states' highway departments (no omnibus DOT's back then!) were on the CH&PW mailing list -- and they liked what they saw illustrated there.

I'd say the former.

It's unlikely to happen, but I wish they leave the part that's not over the railroad. There's a lovely similar structure roughly 1200 feet long (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4807859,-81.9518121,3a,40.9y,301.99h,81.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbRodkxWCwHNVV-ARZF3o0g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) still standing, except for the northernmost span, in North Augusta, SC.

I figured that as well; was being a bit sarcastic with the latter CH&PW comment regarding how we CA residents can be a bit state-centric at times!  I've always (since '67) missed that publication, though!
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 28, 2020, 10:02:54 PM
Lots of bridges still standing in Kentucky with concrete railing similar in appearance to the Russell Viaduct, although very few are that long.

The presence of the new Ironton-Russell bridge at the southern end of the viaduct is probably what prompted that big looping cut through the mountain on the west side of US 23. Otherwise, they'd probably replace in place.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 01, 2020, 01:40:13 PM
Of interest while doing research on the Ashland-Coal Grove Bridge over the Ohio River, the 1931 bridge program that saw the completion of major toll bridges at Boonesboro, Burnside, Canton, Eggner's Ferry, Henderson, Maysville, Paducah, Smithland, Spottsville, and Tyrone:

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/47798721/ohio-river-bridge-bond-program-12/ (1/2)
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/47798576/ohio-river-bridge-bond-program-1931/ (2/2)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on May 24, 2020, 07:58:06 PM
I wish Kentucky would have dedicated web pages to major projects like INDOT does

I was trying to find information on the new 127 route from Jamestown to Ky 90 and it's hard to find ant information on a $120 Million dollar project.

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: edwaleni on May 27, 2020, 11:56:31 AM
Quote from: seicer on April 01, 2020, 01:40:13 PM
Of interest while doing research on the Ashland-Coal Grove Bridge over the Ohio River, the 1931 bridge program that saw the completion of major toll bridges at Boonesboro, Burnside, Canton, Eggner's Ferry, Henderson, Maysville, Paducah, Smithland, Spottsville, and Tyrone:

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/47798721/ohio-river-bridge-bond-program-12/ (1/2)
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/47798576/ohio-river-bridge-bond-program-1931/ (2/2)

Interesting historical references.

Also interesting how they financed large scale bridge building at the time. This was before there was significant federal reimbursement programs for infrastructure.

Curious to know if it was cheaper to build so many at the same time under the same contract, than today, where each bridge has a contract of its own.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadwaywiz95 on May 27, 2020, 05:16:10 PM
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Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: amroad17 on November 13, 2020, 07:39:23 AM
Here in Northern Kentucky, a new interchange on I-275 near Hebron, KY is almost complete.  I just drove through the area this morning after work.

The interchange is for Graves Road, which is around 1 mile west of the current KY 237/Hebron interchange.  Graves Road was realigned about 300 yards west of where the road originally overpassed I-275.  This interchange was built to alleviate the traffic that currently uses KY 237 to get to the Wayfair, UPS, and Amazon Distribution Centers located just north of I-275 along Worldwide Blvd.

Leaving work, I headed west along Worldwide Blvd to where it intersects Graves Road.  I noticed that Graves Road will be designated KY 495 seeing the signage that was put up over the last two evenings.  This designation apparently will go from the Worldwide-Graves intersection to where Graves ends at KY 20 about two miles south.  I then decided to drive on I-275 West to check out the interchange.  The interchange is a diamond with LED lighting (unlike the sodium lighting elsewhere along I-275).  The WB off-ramp begins just east of where the old Graves overpass was.  Signage is up (somewhat covered in tarp) and noticed that this interchange will be EXIT 8.  That was surprising since the KY 237 interchange was EXIT 8 and I was thinking that the new interchange should be EXIT 9 or even 8C.

Then I turned around at the Petersburg (EXIT 11) interchange.  This also had an addition to the signage.  Quite a few years ago, the sign had TO KY 20 on it.  Then it was taken down leaving only Petersburg on the sign.  Now the addition is KY 3608 TO KY 20 on the top line.  Heading back east on I-275, advance signage was up for Graves Road.  The two mile advance sign for KY 237 was taken down.  After passing the new interchange, I saw that the KY 237 interchange has been renumbered to EXIT 6!  This must have been done overnight as this is the exit I take for work and the sign had EXIT 8A and EXIT 8B at 6 pm Thursday night.

So this is the third interchange number for KY 237.  At first, it was EXIT 7 (being at the 7 mile marker), but was changed to EXIT 8 due to an EXIT 7 on the I-74/275 concurrency in Ohio.  Now, with the new Graves Road interchange just past the 8 mile marker, this has obtained the EXIT 8 moniker and KY 237 has been changed to EXIT 6 since 7 cannot be used.  Wonder how much confusion can occur due to this?

Anyway, this interchange appears like it could open in maybe a week or so.  This should help alleviate traffic along KY 237 north of I-275 for those going to Wayfair, UPS, Amazon, or any of the smaller warehouses in that area.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 13, 2020, 04:15:49 PM
They've been publicizing the exit number change the last couple of weeks.

And if I'm not mistaken, that Petersburg exit used to be signed for KY 8, which it was known and signed as for a few years. Unfortunately, I don't have any photos from that era.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 15, 2020, 07:24:54 PM
Now that the project plans are online, I decided to look into this a little further. It appears that I-275's Petersburg interchange may have always been intended for KY 20:

"KY-20 (Grade, Drain, and Surface) 1969, 23 Sheets"
https://projectwise.transportation.ky.gov/ws/v2.5/Repositories/Bentley.PW--KTC1VP-APPW001.kytc.ds.ky.gov~3AKYTC-Main/PW_WSG/Document/6b7658cc-3092-466b-9e45-f0766c1da07e/$file?Application=Archives

"KY-20 (Grade, Drain, and Surface) 1976, 15 Sheets"
https://projectwise.transportation.ky.gov/ws/v2.5/Repositories/Bentley.PW--KTC1VP-APPW001.kytc.ds.ky.gov~3AKYTC-Main/PW_WSG/Document/9be837d4-7373-4bc3-9939-00a501a69edf/$file?Application=Archives

Over at Bullettsburg (north of I-275) along River Road is "KY-8 (Grade, Drain, and Surface) 1935, 2 Sheets"
https://projectwise.transportation.ky.gov/ws/v2.5/Repositories/Bentley.PW--KTC1VP-APPW001.kytc.ds.ky.gov~3AKYTC-Main/PW_WSG/Document/20da7a86-6d46-49c8-8a71-a34e3f38f375/$file?Application=Archives

I never realized that KY 8's designation went that far back along River Road.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: amroad17 on November 17, 2020, 12:35:33 AM
I had not been on many media sites for the last couple of weeks--busy with the job.

The new interchange did open last Friday (11/13).  It is a DDI.  Graves is open from I-275 north to Worldwide Blvd.  South of I-275, there is much work left to do.  KYTC probably completed the north section first because of all the distribution centers that I mentioned before.

I believe that, in the 1970's, KY 8 was supposed to be extended west to connect to the road (current KY 3608) that is at the Petersburg interchange.  However, I also believe that whomever owns the property where River Road becomes private did not want to sell the land needed to complete KY 8 to Bullittsville.

I moved to Northern Kentucky in 1994.  The interchange then was signed as TO KY 20 but the surface road was signed as KY 8 until 2005ish when the TO KY 20 was taken off the interchange signage.  I am not sure if KY 8 was ever on the signage as the post interchange mileage sign after the Lawrenceburg interchange for I-275 South (East) has had "Kentucky S.R. 20         3" on it since I moved here.  This seems to follow what seicer has posted.  The question then would be what would the current routing of KY 20 to Petersburg be renumbered as if KY 20 was re-routed to I-275?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on December 28, 2020, 04:52:50 PM
A while back I saw images of two of the former toll plazas on the Mountain Pkwy (Gullett and Campton). A few minutes ago I noticed Historic Aerials updated its satellite imagery at Slade to include 1984. While the Slade interchange/plaza was laid out in typical KY cloverleaf fashion, the crossing road actually appears to run under the parkway (like it does today) instead of over it, with the toll plaza over the parkway. Does anyone have any insight on this? It's probably unrealistic at this point to ask for a picture :-D
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 29, 2020, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: plain on December 28, 2020, 04:52:50 PM
A while back I saw images of two of the former toll plazas on the Mountain Pkwy (Gullett and Campton). A few minutes ago I noticed Historic Aerials updated its satellite imagery at Slade to include 1984. While the Slade interchange/plaza was laid out in typical KY cloverleaf fashion, the crossing road actually appears to run under the parkway (like it does today) instead of over it, with the toll plaza over the parkway. Does anyone have any insight on this? It's probably unrealistic at this point to ask for a picture :-D

You are correct. Employees parked beneath the bridge and climbed steps to the toll plaza. Newspaper carriers on their way from Lexington left stacks of papers under the bridge, where they would stay dry in wet weather, for the carriers in Lee and Owsley counties to pick up. I don't have any pictures despite having traveled this route hundreds of times. (The toll plaza is only about 20 miles from where I live.)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on December 29, 2020, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 29, 2020, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: plain on December 28, 2020, 04:52:50 PM
A while back I saw images of two of the former toll plazas on the Mountain Pkwy (Gullett and Campton). A few minutes ago I noticed Historic Aerials updated its satellite imagery at Slade to include 1984. While the Slade interchange/plaza was laid out in typical KY cloverleaf fashion, the crossing road actually appears to run under the parkway (like it does today) instead of over it, with the toll plaza over the parkway. Does anyone have any insight on this? It's probably unrealistic at this point to ask for a picture :-D

You are correct. Employees parked beneath the bridge and climbed steps to the toll plaza. Newspaper carriers on their way from Lexington left stacks of papers under the bridge, where they would stay dry in wet weather, for the carriers in Lee and Owsley counties to pick up. I don't have any pictures despite having traveled this route hundreds of times. (The toll plaza is only about 20 miles from where I live.)

Thanks. That has to have been one hell of a design! Probably better than the mess that was Exit 10 on the Bluegrass Pkwy
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 30, 2020, 04:51:47 PM
Quote from: plain on December 29, 2020, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 29, 2020, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: plain on December 28, 2020, 04:52:50 PM
A while back I saw images of two of the former toll plazas on the Mountain Pkwy (Gullett and Campton). A few minutes ago I noticed Historic Aerials updated its satellite imagery at Slade to include 1984. While the Slade interchange/plaza was laid out in typical KY cloverleaf fashion, the crossing road actually appears to run under the parkway (like it does today) instead of over it, with the toll plaza over the parkway. Does anyone have any insight on this? It's probably unrealistic at this point to ask for a picture :-D

You are correct. Employees parked beneath the bridge and climbed steps to the toll plaza. Newspaper carriers on their way from Lexington left stacks of papers under the bridge, where they would stay dry in wet weather, for the carriers in Lee and Owsley counties to pick up. I don't have any pictures despite having traveled this route hundreds of times. (The toll plaza is only about 20 miles from where I live.)

Thanks. That has to have been one hell of a design! Probably better than the mess that was Exit 10 on the Bluegrass Pkwy

Yes, it was the standard toll booth cloverleaf with the structures on the bridge.

Kentucky debated on what to call the Mountain Parkway after the tolls came off and it went into the regular state system. KY 114 and KY 402 were both considered and used, until the 9000-series came into being for the unsigned designations for the former toll roads. When that interchange was reconstructed in the late 1980s, KY 402 signs were briefly installed, no doubt by contractors. Wish I had gotten photos. However, I didn't, and eventually the signs were changed out to the old green and white Mountain Parkway signs with the Bert T. Combs banner.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Harvestman on January 09, 2021, 10:14:59 PM
I don't recall where exactly on US 641 this was, but it was clearly graded for a divided highway, which didn't end up happening.  Anyone happen to know where this is or whether it's going to be changed in the future or not?

(https://i.imgur.com/svNFjWdh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/D9SqOj5h.jpg)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Revive 755 on January 09, 2021, 10:27:00 PM
^ From the KY 91 intersection south of Marion to the KY 91 intersection north of Freedonia?  Unless that section was being four-laned when the aerial photos Google has were taken. (https://goo.gl/maps/ZoYvao51tHJS34us6)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Harvestman on January 09, 2021, 10:32:10 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 09, 2021, 10:27:00 PM
^ From the KY 91 intersection south of Marion to the KY 91 intersection north of Freedonia?  Unless that section was being four-laned when the aerial photos Google has were taken. (https://goo.gl/maps/ZoYvao51tHJS34us6)
That'd be it, thanks.  Why exactly was that stretch under consideration to be four-laned in the first place...?  From what I saw of the traffic flow, it seemed to be doing fine with just two.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on January 10, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
KYTC buys ROW and designs for ultimate four lanes a lot of the time. But, it is odd that the bridge structures and grading already took place.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 11, 2021, 09:33:30 AM
Considering that they are only projecting a ~5,500 AADT by 2030, it's very much overbuilt. The new route was built to connect US 60 to Interstate 69.

I'm surprised they added the bridges considering they didn't for KY Route 67/Industrial Parkway.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 26, 2021, 08:29:57 PM
From the Courier-Journal [Louisville], 15 Mar. 1969, p. B1:

(https://i.imgur.com/tpBVPMA.png)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 23, 2021, 09:20:11 AM
So I was curious about the very large terminus of KY Route 67 / Industrial Parkway at Interstate 64 - it certainly appears that it is built to accommodate an extension southward (along with four-lane expansion): https://goo.gl/maps/BU7WSBmVjc7qbC1A9

(https://i.imgur.com/8c3PA7r.png)

I was looking through KYTC's project archives and came across this on page 111 of the phase one project plans for the parkway (https://projectwise.transportation.ky.gov/ws/v2.5/Repositories/Bentley.PW--KTC1VP-APPW001.kytc.ds.ky.gov~3AKYTC-Main/PW_WSG/Document/2d7773bf-e29d-49a0-89e2-355318dcdeb2/$file?Application=Archives). THere is a marking for the future mainline to proceed south.

(https://i.imgur.com/oNZ1ZxP.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/lLmF17o.png)

--

Looking at the other plans, it seems that the ultimate goal is to build overpasses at all of the intersections and have right-in, right-out movements for those turns to eliminate any cross-median traffic. Some of these stubs were not graded.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Bitmapped on February 23, 2021, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 23, 2021, 09:20:11 AM
So I was curious about the very large terminus of KY Route 67 / Industrial Parkway at Interstate 64 - it certainly appears that it is built to accommodate an extension southward (along with four-lane expansion): https://goo.gl/maps/BU7WSBmVjc7qbC1A9

(https://i.imgur.com/8c3PA7r.png)

This is pretty much the mirror image of the interchange between the US 22 freeway connector and I-99 at Hollidaysburg, PA: https://goo.gl/maps/gSdSz4yhmxWFJ6dD6. The Pennsylvania interchange also looks like it was intended for the mainline to be extended, although I can't figure out what the final configuration would actually be.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 23, 2021, 03:02:47 PM
Were traffic counts too low to have justified building the KY 67 Industrial Parkway as a freeway, even as a two-lane one?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 23, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Pretty much. The southernmost segment has 6,000 VPD dropping to under 5,000 VPD on the northernmost segment in 2014. The intersecting roads have barely any traffic, with KY Route 207 clocking in at 1,300 - 2,100 VPD and one of the side roads getting barely above 200 VPD. Others are just gravel roads to cemeteries or to undeveloped plots of land on old strip mine sites.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Buck87 on February 23, 2021, 07:32:40 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 23, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Others are just gravel roads to cemeteries or to undeveloped plots of land on old strip mine sites.

There's a wedding venue now on Brush Creek Rd. Won't add any traffic of significance, though I thought it was noteworthy, since my traveling to a wedding there last fall was the first time I'd ever used SR 67 for a purpose other than bypassing Ashland.


Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 24, 2021, 08:21:13 AM
The southern extension of KY Route 67 would align up with alternate 9 of the KY Route 645 northern extension that was proposed in 2006 (and rejected): https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/Ky%20-%20645%20Regional%20Corridor%20Study%202_Report%20Text.pdf

Looking further down in the text, the KY Route 645 project was to be extended north to meet KY Route 67 at Interstate 64 as per the original project description. Through analysis, the alignment was shifted west toward Olive Hill and Morehead.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 24, 2021, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 24, 2021, 08:21:13 AM
The southern extension of KY Route 67 would align up with alternate 9 of the KY Route 645 northern extension that was proposed in 2006 (and rejected): https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/Ky%20-%20645%20Regional%20Corridor%20Study%202_Report%20Text.pdf

Looking further down in the text, the KY Route 645 project was to be extended north to meet KY Route 67 at Interstate 64 as per the original project description. Through analysis, the alignment was shifted west toward Olive Hill and Morehead.

I'm going to venture a guess that Rocky Adkins played a major role in getting that corridor shifted closer to Elliott County. At the time, Adkins was an influential legislator from Sandy Hook. He's now a senior advisor to the governor, having run for governor himself in 2019 and finishing second in the primary.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 24, 2021, 04:43:19 PM
It looked like that the public really didn't buy into that alternative toward KY Route 67 either. It would essentially parallel US Route 23 but be two lanes and through a desolate area of the counties.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Captain Jack on February 26, 2021, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: seicer on January 26, 2021, 08:29:57 PM
From the Courier-Journal [Louisville], 15 Mar. 1969, p. B1:

(https://i.imgur.com/tpBVPMA.png)

I have always been impressed with how fast Kentucky put together the parkways in the 60's. I know the Pennyrile for example went from conception to completion in less than 5 years....and it's not like it was the only one going at that time.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: I-55 on February 27, 2021, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on February 26, 2021, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: seicer on January 26, 2021, 08:29:57 PM
From the Courier-Journal [Louisville], 15 Mar. 1969, p. B1:

(https://i.imgur.com/tpBVPMA.png)

I have always been impressed with how fast Kentucky put together the parkways in the 60's. I know the Pennyrile for example went from conception to completion in less than 5 years....and it's not like it was the only one going at that time.

And just look at how fast we build things now with better technology.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 27, 2021, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: I-55 on February 27, 2021, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on February 26, 2021, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: seicer on January 26, 2021, 08:29:57 PM
From the Courier-Journal [Louisville], 15 Mar. 1969, p. B1:

(https://i.imgur.com/tpBVPMA.png)

I have always been impressed with how fast Kentucky put together the parkways in the 60's. I know the Pennyrile for example went from conception to completion in less than 5 years....and it's not like it was the only one going at that time.

And just look at how fast we build things now with better technology.
And just imagine how much that stretch of road would cost in today's dollars; much more than simple adjustment for the CPI.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: tidecat on March 02, 2021, 06:26:27 PM
A new exit on I-65 in Bullitt County is open:

https://www.wdrb.com/news/initial-construction-underway-for-i-65-interchange-in-bullitt-county/article_9455cd96-446e-11e9-8694-67e469b6337c.html
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 02, 2021, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: tidecat on March 02, 2021, 06:26:27 PM
A new exit on I-65 in Bullitt County is open:

https://www.wdrb.com/news/initial-construction-underway-for-i-65-interchange-in-bullitt-county/article_9455cd96-446e-11e9-8694-67e469b6337c.html

I think you meant to post this link. (https://www.wdrb.com/news/new-i-65-exit-in-bullitt-county-open-economic-impact-expected/article_ea7637d8-7aea-11eb-b83f-0f14092fffbf.html)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 02, 2021, 11:39:01 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on March 02, 2021, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: tidecat on March 02, 2021, 06:26:27 PM
A new exit on I-65 in Bullitt County is open:

https://www.wdrb.com/news/initial-construction-underway-for-i-65-interchange-in-bullitt-county/article_9455cd96-446e-11e9-8694-67e469b6337c.html

I think you meant to post this link. (https://www.wdrb.com/news/new-i-65-exit-in-bullitt-county-open-economic-impact-expected/article_ea7637d8-7aea-11eb-b83f-0f14092fffbf.html)

This needs to go in the recently-resurrected thread of Cody's about wasteful highway projects.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 31, 2021, 03:23:25 PM
Concerning Kentucky's use of the term "parkway" for its former toll roads that are virtually indistinguishable from interstates...

Had a call the other day from someone who was wondering if there were truck restrictions on the Mountain Parkway. I could tell he was from elsewhere because he referred to it as the "Bert T. Combs Mountain Parkway." I was trying to explain the nature of the roads and he didn't quite seem to grasp what I was saying, until I said "In Kentucky, the term 'parkway' is vastly different than how it's used in New York City." After that, he fully understood my point.

This was the first time I'd ever gotten a query like that.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Dirt Roads on March 31, 2021, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 31, 2021, 03:23:25 PM
Concerning Kentucky's use of the term "parkway" for its former toll roads that are virtually indistinguishable from interstates...

Growing up in West Virginia, I always thought Kentucky was wealthy because of its Parkway System.  My dad would always remind me that Scott Depot had more bluegrass than the whole state of Kentucky, and nearly as many horse farms (but they weren't very big).  As best as I can tell, all of the horse farms in Teays Valley are now gone.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on March 31, 2021, 10:52:54 PM
Is the old Service Plaza right past I-165 the only service plaza in Kentucky?

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 01, 2021, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on March 31, 2021, 10:52:54 PM
Is the old Service Plaza right past I-165 the only service plaza in Kentucky?

SM-G950U

Yes, it's the only one left. The two that were on the old Kentucky Turnpike are long gone.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on April 01, 2021, 01:02:14 PM
There's a couple more places on the WK Pkwy (and one on the BG Pkwy) where the median is widened. It looks like they were made like that in case KY wanted to add service plazas there but they never built them.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Life in Paradise on April 01, 2021, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: plain on April 01, 2021, 01:02:14 PM
There's a couple more places on the WK Pkwy (and one on the BG Pkwy) where the median is widened. It looks like they were made like that in case KY wanted to add service plazas there but they never built them.
One of those I believe is near Nortonville where a post of the Kentucky State Police is located.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 01, 2021, 06:53:27 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on April 01, 2021, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: plain on April 01, 2021, 01:02:14 PM
There's a couple more places on the WK Pkwy (and one on the BG Pkwy) where the median is widened. It looks like they were made like that in case KY wanted to add service plazas there but they never built them.
One of those I believe is near Nortonville where a post of the Kentucky State Police is located.

Yes, and the other is just east of Leitchfield and may have be due to geographical/geological reasons. That's awfully close (relatively speaking) to the eastern end of the road to be useful as a service plaza.

And the one on the BG Parkway is in a hilly area where you go downhill as you are headed east, so I'm not sure it was suited for a travel plaza spot either, although it is located not too far west of the halfway point of the road.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 01, 2021, 08:34:52 PM
I just did a bunch of searches in old newspapers and came up with nothing on that particular spot for the Bluegrass Parkway.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on April 03, 2021, 09:17:29 PM
Quote from: seicer on April 01, 2021, 08:34:52 PM
I just did a bunch of searches in old newspapers and came up with nothing on that particular spot for the Bluegrass Parkway.

I do remember construction equipment being staged in that wide median over the years for various construction projects.  I always found it notable because going westbound you would see the eastbound carriageway going straight and the westbound carriageway curving to the right off in the distance.  Whenever I saw that, I knew it was time to try to dig out 50¢ for my mom or dad to pay the toll at Bloomfield.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 03, 2021, 09:34:04 PM
The one by Bloomfield is also used to dump carcasses.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Alps on April 08, 2021, 11:40:24 PM
I notice Kentucky uses a circular hood around its yellow signals but the red and green have the notched hoods. I'd say it's to avoid people guessing when the light turns yellow but... just look for when it's neither red nor green? Is there any other reason?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Scott5114 on April 08, 2021, 11:47:29 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 08, 2021, 11:40:24 PM
I notice Kentucky uses a circular hood around its yellow signals but the red and green have the notched hoods. I'd say it's to avoid people guessing when the light turns yellow but... just look for when it's neither red nor green? Is there any other reason?

Might be acting on a belief that yellow light is more likely to get washed out by the sun than the other two.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 09, 2021, 11:22:41 AM
Quote from: Alps on April 08, 2021, 11:40:24 PM
I notice Kentucky uses a circular hood around its yellow signals but the red and green have the notched hoods. I'd say it's to avoid people guessing when the light turns yellow but... just look for when it's neither red nor green? Is there any other reason?

Don't know why, but I think we're the only state that does that. I probably ought to ask why.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on April 12, 2021, 07:05:51 PM
Forgive me if it's been mentioned before, but apparently there's an interchange being built on KY 15-80 at Morton Boulevard, about halfway down the grade between Hal Rogers Parkway-KY 80 and the KY 15 bridge over the North Fork of the Kentucky headed to downtown Hazard. Morton Boulevard is mainly an access road to the ARH hospital and various commercial parcels. It ends at one of the three at-grade intersections that profane the last mile of Hal Rogers Parkway.  :-D  I'm guessing that the interchange is mainly for safety, not capacity, eliminating the signalized intersection on what must be a somewhat hazardous grade.

Before construction, there's no left turn allowed from Morton onto 15-80 (https://goo.gl/maps/G79hf7uAWH84Mmxj8), I suppose to shorten the cycle of the signal there. 
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 13, 2021, 10:20:02 AM
Photo from KYTC District 10:

What is referred to in the media as "Food City Hill" because of the grocery store:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/162723783_3665896196811732_2720764008872326580_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=A2kc_qsWp0AAX_kwi10&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=a508d28a9fa5d489928c61a9b40e81b7&oe=609BF1CD)

It looks like it will be two lanes south and three lanes north to accommodate the climbing lane. A little disappointed that full acceleration lanes aren't being used here but I think the speed limit will remain at 45 MPH.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
The no-left-turn prohibition at the old at-grade for Morton Boulevard onto KY 15 was due to superelevation reasons and the possibility of tipping trucks. I wondered about that for years and finally asked.

They're also turning the currently-signalized intersection at Perry Park Road into a grade-separated interchange. Both the signal eliminations are for safety and to improve the flow of traffic. This is the most-heavily-used stretch of roadway in the entire 10-county area of District 10. It has around 30,000 vehicles per day. In contrast, the busiest section of the Mountain Parkway has only 12,000 VPD.

Sherman, I'm not sure that acceleration lanes won't be used there. They're just not present in the current temporary configuration.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 13, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
Gotcha. I'm surprised they didn't build an interchange with the bypass - removing the gas station to make room for the ramps.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: froggie on April 13, 2021, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
They're also turning the currently-signalized intersection at Perry Park Road into a grade-separated interchange.

How are they pulling that one off?  Did they take out the business on one corner and/or the rock ledge on the other corner?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 13, 2021, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
They're also turning the currently-signalized intersection at Perry Park Road into a grade-separated interchange.

How are they pulling that one off?  Did they take out the business on one corner and/or the rock ledge on the other corner?
'

Cutting into the side of the mountain on the east side of existing KY 15 and elongating the new bridge over the river and KY 80/KY 550.

Quote from: seicer on April 13, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
Gotcha. I'm surprised they didn't build an interchange with the bypass - removing the gas station to make room for the ramps.

An interchange with the bypass was never considered. They did look at making the bypass-to-KY-15 movement the through movement but scuttled it due to ROW costs. That Double Kwik food mart is relatively new and would have been very expensive to purchase and demolish and relocate.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on April 15, 2021, 10:48:44 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 01, 2021, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on March 31, 2021, 10:52:54 PM
Is the old Service Plaza right past I-165 the only service plaza in Kentucky?

SM-G950U

Yes, it's the only one left. The two that were on the old Kentucky Turnpike are long gone.

I just looked at that one on Google (including pictures of the inside) and the current one is NOT a service plaza in my opinion. It's a standard dry carryout complete with chicken -- just like is all over the place in this part of the country. Was the old one more like a real service plaza?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on April 15, 2021, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on April 15, 2021, 10:48:44 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 01, 2021, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on March 31, 2021, 10:52:54 PM
Is the old Service Plaza right past I-165 the only service plaza in Kentucky?

SM-G950U

Yes, it's the only one left. The two that were on the old Kentucky Turnpike are long gone.

I just looked at that one on Google (including pictures of the inside) and the current one is NOT a service plaza in my opinion. It's a standard dry carryout complete with chicken -- just like is all over the place in this part of the country. Was the old one more like a real service plaza?

It has a whole entire gas station and it's directly on the freeway... it's a service plaza.

For all that, the one on I-395 SB in CT must not be a "real service plaza" either..
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on April 15, 2021, 11:35:40 AM
How about the gas stations in the medians of the Palisades Interstate Parkway? I look at those as just gas stations.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: SkyPesos on April 15, 2021, 11:44:33 AM
No Kentucky Fried Chicken at that service plaza? Aww, I thought it would be a staple in KY Parkways service plazas.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on April 15, 2021, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: plain on April 15, 2021, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on April 15, 2021, 10:48:44 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 01, 2021, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on March 31, 2021, 10:52:54 PM
Is the old Service Plaza right past I-165 the only service plaza in Kentucky?

SM-G950U

Yes, it's the only one left. The two that were on the old Kentucky Turnpike are long gone.

I just looked at that one on Google (including pictures of the inside) and the current one is NOT a service plaza in my opinion. It's a standard dry carryout complete with chicken -- just like is all over the place in this part of the country. Was the old one more like a real service plaza?

It has a whole entire gas station and it's directly on the freeway... it's a service plaza.

For all that, the one on I-395 SB in CT must not be a "real service plaza" either..

According to my perusal, no it is not. I don't see enough seating. Also I no longer consider Subway a meal nor have I ever considered donuts and coffee one.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on April 15, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 15, 2021, 11:44:33 AM
No Kentucky Fried Chicken at that service plaza? Aww, I thought it would be a staple in KY Parkways service plazas.

No it's way more actual Kentucky for it to be a Chester Fried, Charlie Bigg's Chicken 'N Sauce or other gas station chicken. Which it has! The only real differentiation here is that the pizza is Godfather's rather than Hunt Brothers.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 15, 2021, 01:01:28 PM
The old plaza had an Arby's, Cinnabon, and a couple of other places, and an unbranded convenience store along with the gas station.

If I'm not mistaken, the new plaza is a Huck's-branded c-store and gas station. I've stopped there once since it reopened.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on April 15, 2021, 01:52:15 PM
Those old Kentucky Turnpike service plazas looked pretty good. Were they always Glass House or did anything else come later?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 13, 2021, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
They're also turning the currently-signalized intersection at Perry Park Road into a grade-separated interchange.

How are they pulling that one off?  Did they take out the business on one corner and/or the rock ledge on the other corner?
'

Cutting into the side of the mountain on the east side of existing KY 15 and elongating the new bridge over the river and KY 80/KY 550.

Quote from: seicer on April 13, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
Gotcha. I'm surprised they didn't build an interchange with the bypass - removing the gas station to make room for the ramps.

An interchange with the bypass was never considered. They did look at making the bypass-to-KY-15 movement the through movement but scuttled it due to ROW costs. That Double Kwik food mart is relatively new and would have been very expensive to purchase and demolish and relocate.

Is this project still expected to be completed this year as indicated in this article (https://www.wymt.com/2020/09/09/another-piece-of-the-puzzzle-kentucky-15-projcet-set-to-cross-of-another-milestone/)?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 16, 2021, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 13, 2021, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
They're also turning the currently-signalized intersection at Perry Park Road into a grade-separated interchange.

How are they pulling that one off?  Did they take out the business on one corner and/or the rock ledge on the other corner?
'

Cutting into the side of the mountain on the east side of existing KY 15 and elongating the new bridge over the river and KY 80/KY 550.

Quote from: seicer on April 13, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
Gotcha. I'm surprised they didn't build an interchange with the bypass - removing the gas station to make room for the ramps.

An interchange with the bypass was never considered. They did look at making the bypass-to-KY-15 movement the through movement but scuttled it due to ROW costs. That Double Kwik food mart is relatively new and would have been very expensive to purchase and demolish and relocate.

Is this project still expected to be completed this year as indicated in this article (https://www.wymt.com/2020/09/09/another-piece-of-the-puzzzle-kentucky-15-projcet-set-to-cross-of-another-milestone/)?

Well, I don't have any reason to doubt the guy they interviewed for that story last year.  :bigass:

Yes, they should have it substantially complete by the end of this year, depending on the weather not being too bad this summer. It's possible that the final surface may not be laid down until next year, but the bridge over the river/KY 550/Perry Park Road should open this year.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Dirt Roads on April 16, 2021, 10:30:26 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
Is this project still expected to be completed this year as indicated in this article (https://www.wymt.com/2020/09/09/another-piece-of-the-puzzzle-kentucky-15-projcet-set-to-cross-of-another-milestone/)?

Quote from: hbelkins on April 16, 2021, 07:12:46 PM
Well, I don't have any reason to doubt the guy they interviewed for that story last year.

Hey!  Move this to a new thread:  Roadgeeks in the Mountain News.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Dirt Roads on April 18, 2021, 02:58:15 PM
From the Reversible Lane thread:

Quote from: CardInLex on April 17, 2021, 10:23:12 AM
Lexington, KY's Nicholasville Road (US 27) has three center reversible lanes controlled by overhead LEDs. One of the lanes is always a two way left turn lane while the other two are through lanes, with the direction changing based on time of day.

Quote from: Dirt Roads on April 17, 2021, 11:09:29 AM
That's wild!  I was expecting a 7-lane roadway, but Nicholasville Road is only 5 lanes wide.  Do they ever flip all three lanes the same direction during rush hour, or does that only happen after UK football games?

I should have known better to reply to CardinLex with a question about Kroger Field traffic.  Let's try here to see if anybody knows the answer.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 18, 2021, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on April 18, 2021, 02:58:15 PM
From the Reversible Lane thread:

Quote from: CardInLex on April 17, 2021, 10:23:12 AM
Lexington, KY's Nicholasville Road (US 27) has three center reversible lanes controlled by overhead LEDs. One of the lanes is always a two way left turn lane while the other two are through lanes, with the direction changing based on time of day.

Quote from: Dirt Roads on April 17, 2021, 11:09:29 AM
That's wild!  I was expecting a 7-lane roadway, but Nicholasville Road is only 5 lanes wide.  Do they ever flip all three lanes the same direction during rush hour, or does that only happen after UK football games?

I should have known better to reply to CardinLex with a question about Kroger Field traffic.  Let's try here to see if anybody knows the answer.

Yes, I have seen it in the three outbound -- TWLTL -- one inbound configuration.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on May 07, 2021, 10:10:32 PM
https://hmbpe.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=de6cc3161dfa41aeb6fc662dbe2e1b44
This is interesting. There are long-term plans to widen Interstate 64 through Cherokee Park east of downtown which includes the Cochran Hill Tunnels. Proposals include widening the tunnels to provide three lanes in each direction; building a third tunnel for the peak direction; and building a third tunnel for a HOV lane.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: tidecat on May 08, 2021, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: seicer on May 07, 2021, 10:10:32 PM
https://hmbpe.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=de6cc3161dfa41aeb6fc662dbe2e1b44
This is interesting. There are long-term plans to widen Interstate 64 through Cherokee Park east of downtown which includes the Cochran Hill Tunnels. Proposals include widening the tunnels to provide three lanes in each direction; building a third tunnel for the peak direction; and building a third tunnel for a HOV lane.
This seems highly unnecessary. I-64 isn't bad during peak times, and there isn't traffic to justify this most of the day.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on July 12, 2021, 05:59:39 PM
The Nicholasville east-side bypass is now visible in Google: https://goo.gl/maps/PEUhbbWx6piBGsAf7

It looks like a high-quality bypass with a curbed median and narrower shoulders, similar to the Versailles bypass: https://goo.gl/maps/aD46wuZijCVDEtki9
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 15, 2021, 08:34:22 AM
I missed a full clinch of I-64 as a result of this detour.  Going WB, I was surprised that the EB detour was not already the same.

https://www.wdrb.com/news/kytc-makes-change-to-i-64-detour-after-troubled-first-weekend/article_decaf190-15c6-11ec-b9bb-2362d23ea758.html
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 15, 2021, 09:13:21 AM
Good job, KYTC. Who would have thought to run trucks over narrow residential routes where the trucks couldn't make turns without running over poles and fire hydrants? The Cherokee Park neighborhood is chock full of narrow roadways.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: milbfan on September 25, 2021, 04:58:38 PM
Are they actually going to do some road rehab on US 23, heading into/out of KY from Virginia?  Man, that's long overdue.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 25, 2021, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: milbfan on September 25, 2021, 04:58:38 PM
Are they actually going to do some road rehab on US 23, heading into/out of KY from Virginia?  Man, that's long overdue.

Yes. Announced this week. Pavement rehab from the state line northbound (downhill) to KY 805.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 04, 2021, 02:09:55 PM
The Wikipedia article on the Ironton-Russel Bridge seems to blend info from the Oakley C. Collins Memorial Bridge into it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironton%E2%80%93Russell_Bridge
Yet they're clearly two separate bridges.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5292572,-82.6857412,1693m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Bitmapped on October 04, 2021, 05:43:15 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 04, 2021, 02:09:55 PM
The Wikipedia article on the Ironton-Russel Bridge seems to blend info from the Oakley C. Collins Memorial Bridge into it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironton%E2%80%93Russell_Bridge
Yet they're clearly two separate bridges.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5292572,-82.6857412,1693m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

One is the replacement for the other. You're welcome to help rewrite the article(s) to clarify the situation.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 04, 2021, 08:35:14 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on October 04, 2021, 05:43:15 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 04, 2021, 02:09:55 PM
The Wikipedia article on the Ironton-Russel Bridge seems to blend info from the Oakley C. Collins Memorial Bridge into it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironton%E2%80%93Russell_Bridge
Yet they're clearly two separate bridges.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5292572,-82.6857412,1693m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

One is the replacement for the other. You're welcome to help rewrite the article(s) to clarify the situation.

No one I know of refers to the bridge as the Oakley C. Collins Memorial Bridge. Everyone calls it the Ironton-Russell Bridge. Or on this side of the river, sometimes just the Ironton Bridge.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 06, 2021, 03:04:22 PM
Newscasts sometimes refer to the Robert C. Byrd Bridge in Huntington as its original name: the 6th Street Bridge. Practically no one uses honorary or name-based designations.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on October 06, 2021, 08:58:34 PM
That and there's tons of other stuff named after him in WV so it gets confusing. It's like Veterans' Highways in Ohio.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: tolbs17 on October 28, 2021, 09:15:17 AM
They delayed closing the Sherman Minton Bridge due to heavy rain.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia on November 01, 2021, 06:00:14 PM
Kentucky has the middle 8 miles of the 75 widening opening and it has been great to have.  Now i can wait for the first 5 and last 7 miles to be done!!!

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 21, 2021, 11:54:26 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 16, 2021, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 13, 2021, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
They're also turning the currently-signalized intersection at Perry Park Road into a grade-separated interchange.

How are they pulling that one off?  Did they take out the business on one corner and/or the rock ledge on the other corner?
'

Cutting into the side of the mountain on the east side of existing KY 15 and elongating the new bridge over the river and KY 80/KY 550.

Quote from: seicer on April 13, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
Gotcha. I'm surprised they didn't build an interchange with the bypass - removing the gas station to make room for the ramps.

An interchange with the bypass was never considered. They did look at making the bypass-to-KY-15 movement the through movement but scuttled it due to ROW costs. That Double Kwik food mart is relatively new and would have been very expensive to purchase and demolish and relocate.

Is this project still expected to be completed this year as indicated in this article (https://www.wymt.com/2020/09/09/another-piece-of-the-puzzzle-kentucky-15-projcet-set-to-cross-of-another-milestone/)?

Well, I don't have any reason to doubt the guy they interviewed for that story last year.  :bigass:

Yes, they should have it substantially complete by the end of this year, depending on the weather not being too bad this summer. It's possible that the final surface may not be laid down until next year, but the bridge over the river/KY 550/Perry Park Road should open this year.

The KYTC District 10 Facebook Page states that this project is substantially complete as of November 9, 2021. (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/ky15project)

It also looks like the KY 30 Realignment between US 421 and KY 847 will open in January. (https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict10/posts/4376511405750204)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 21, 2021, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on November 21, 2021, 11:54:26 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 16, 2021, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 13, 2021, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
They're also turning the currently-signalized intersection at Perry Park Road into a grade-separated interchange.

How are they pulling that one off?  Did they take out the business on one corner and/or the rock ledge on the other corner?
'

Cutting into the side of the mountain on the east side of existing KY 15 and elongating the new bridge over the river and KY 80/KY 550.

Quote from: seicer on April 13, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
Gotcha. I'm surprised they didn't build an interchange with the bypass - removing the gas station to make room for the ramps.

An interchange with the bypass was never considered. They did look at making the bypass-to-KY-15 movement the through movement but scuttled it due to ROW costs. That Double Kwik food mart is relatively new and would have been very expensive to purchase and demolish and relocate.

Is this project still expected to be completed this year as indicated in this article (https://www.wymt.com/2020/09/09/another-piece-of-the-puzzzle-kentucky-15-projcet-set-to-cross-of-another-milestone/)?

Well, I don't have any reason to doubt the guy they interviewed for that story last year.  :bigass:

Yes, they should have it substantially complete by the end of this year, depending on the weather not being too bad this summer. It's possible that the final surface may not be laid down until next year, but the bridge over the river/KY 550/Perry Park Road should open this year.

The KYTC District 10 Facebook Page states that this project is substantially complete as of November 9, 2021. (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/ky15project)

It also looks like the KY 30 Realignment between US 421 and KY 847 will open in January. (https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict10/posts/4376511405750204)

Hmmm. Wonder who posted those updates?  :bigass:
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 21, 2021, 06:57:38 PM
I can't believe how much better it is rolling through Hazard. But I also keep thinking about how much could have been avoided if just right-of-way control was exercised. That segment of highway was quite old, having been built around 1965, and it included steep grades, but it also had a lot of driveway intersections at the worst of locations. I am surprised that not all of the intersections were removed - including a few driveway entrances. It's also good to see the four-lane expansion progress north to KY 267 but it didn't seem that access control is as strict there - and it's essentially a five-lane road with a center turn lane.

Unrelated to that project, but it looks like the new Cairo Bridge over the Ohio River in far western Kentucky will be replaced with a new structure immediately north of the existing crossing. Designs are centered on a Warren through truss (without verticals), a cable-stayed suspension, and an arch. I am hoping for the latter.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 22, 2021, 10:34:35 AM
Quote from: seicer on November 21, 2021, 06:57:38 PM
I can't believe how much better it is rolling through Hazard. But I also keep thinking about how much could have been avoided if just right-of-way control was exercised. That segment of highway was quite old, having been built around 1965, and it included steep grades, but it also had a lot of driveway intersections at the worst of locations. I am surprised that not all of the intersections were removed - including a few driveway entrances. It's also good to see the four-lane expansion progress north to KY 267 but it didn't seem that access control is as strict there - and it's essentially a five-lane road with a center turn lane.

There were some improvements made to access control along the section north of the KY 267 overpass. Unlike the section between KY 267 and KY 80/Hal Rogers Parkway, part of that section was built on a new alignment, and the old route was left as the access points for a handful of businesses located there. It reduced the number of entrances onto the four-lane.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on November 22, 2021, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2021, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on November 21, 2021, 11:54:26 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 16, 2021, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 13, 2021, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 13, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
They're also turning the currently-signalized intersection at Perry Park Road into a grade-separated interchange.

How are they pulling that one off?  Did they take out the business on one corner and/or the rock ledge on the other corner?
'

Cutting into the side of the mountain on the east side of existing KY 15 and elongating the new bridge over the river and KY 80/KY 550.

Quote from: seicer on April 13, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
Gotcha. I'm surprised they didn't build an interchange with the bypass - removing the gas station to make room for the ramps.

An interchange with the bypass was never considered. They did look at making the bypass-to-KY-15 movement the through movement but scuttled it due to ROW costs. That Double Kwik food mart is relatively new and would have been very expensive to purchase and demolish and relocate.

Is this project still expected to be completed this year as indicated in this article (https://www.wymt.com/2020/09/09/another-piece-of-the-puzzzle-kentucky-15-projcet-set-to-cross-of-another-milestone/)?

Well, I don't have any reason to doubt the guy they interviewed for that story last year.  :bigass:

Yes, they should have it substantially complete by the end of this year, depending on the weather not being too bad this summer. It's possible that the final surface may not be laid down until next year, but the bridge over the river/KY 550/Perry Park Road should open this year.

The KYTC District 10 Facebook Page states that this project is substantially complete as of November 9, 2021. (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/ky15project)

It also looks like the KY 30 Realignment between US 421 and KY 847 will open in January. (https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict10/posts/4376511405750204)

Hmmm. Wonder who posted those updates?  :bigass:

Ha ha, you had to say "coat of blacktop" instead of "course of asphalt" since you were talking to the public.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 23, 2021, 10:13:44 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on November 22, 2021, 09:41:42 PM
Ha ha, you had to say "coat of blacktop" instead of "course of asphalt" since you were talking to the public.

I try to avoid engineer-speak whenever possible.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on November 23, 2021, 12:20:10 PM
It's better that way.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 27, 2021, 07:45:00 PM
When I was looking at project plans for US 119 between Whitesburg and Harlan, I came across this interesting tidbit about the newest portion that opened just south of the Pine Mountain crossing:

(https://i.imgur.com/e3trSNs.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/wVm2uMO.png)

The cover map seemingly shows the extension of US 119 toward Pine Mountain and the last drawing shows the extension as well. Have they determined the final routing over or under the mountain?

Google map for reference: https://goo.gl/maps/bDSjCYHu4zVt1bFe7
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Bitmapped on November 28, 2021, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: seicer on November 27, 2021, 07:45:00 PM
When I was looking at project plans for US 119 between Whitesburg and Harlan, I came across this interesting tidbit about the newest portion that opened just south of the Pine Mountain crossing:

(https://i.imgur.com/e3trSNs.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/wVm2uMO.png)

The cover map seemingly shows the extension of US 119 toward Pine Mountain and the last drawing shows the extension as well. Have they determined the final routing over or under the mountain?

Google map for reference: https://goo.gl/maps/bDSjCYHu4zVt1bFe7

That alignment looks more like what I would expect for a tunnel than an actual mountain crossing, unless they're planning a ginormous cut at the summit. The existing road takes a lot more distance to surmount that grade, but this diagram looks like a setup for a pretty direct attack.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 28, 2021, 07:10:04 PM
A tunnel has been the chosen option for many years, due to environmental concerns on the mountain and nearby areas.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 28, 2021, 08:08:16 PM
Ah - thanks for the clarification. I always wondered why they couldn't just leave the corridor as-is with improvements to things like lane and shoulder widths since it doesn't carry that much traffic, but I suspect that the overriding factor is simply to complete the corridor.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 29, 2021, 11:00:27 AM
There's a certain school of thought that has it that the improvements done to existing US 119 across the mountain 20 years ago are all that will ever be done, but the corridor isn't considered complete by ARC.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on December 01, 2021, 02:54:59 PM
Visited the official KY Department of Tourism website today (https://www.kentuckytourism.com/) and noticed that "Interstate 23"  is included on the "Explore Kentucky's Regions"  map on the homepage. It of course should be US 23, but that would make it the only US route included. I also found it strange the interstate spurs and parkways weren't included. I know this map was probably made by a graphic design contractor but found it odd that no one in Tourism noticed it.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: milbfan on December 04, 2021, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 25, 2021, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: milbfan on September 25, 2021, 04:58:38 PM
Are they actually going to do some road rehab on US 23, heading into/out of KY from Virginia?  Man, that's long overdue.

Yes. Announced this week. Pavement rehab from the state line northbound (downhill) to KY 805.

My compliments to whoever did the work.  Also adjusted the lighting and added some reflectors and things on the northbound side.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on December 15, 2021, 08:32:06 PM
Is the East End Tunnel a toll facility part of the Lewis and Clark Bridge on I-265 in Prospect, KY?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 15, 2021, 10:01:46 PM
It was built as a component of the Ohio River Bridges Project. The toll gantry is between the tunnel and the bridge.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on December 15, 2021, 11:09:09 PM
So that is why no exits. 
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on December 16, 2021, 08:35:42 PM
There's really no where for an exit between the tunnel and the bridge. Although I do hate that there isn't access to US 42 coming from Indiana.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on December 16, 2021, 08:52:19 PM
Quote from: CardInLex on December 16, 2021, 08:35:42 PM
There's really no where for an exit between the tunnel and the bridge. Although I do hate that there isn't access to US 42 coming from Indiana.
They could put up "TO US 42" signs for the loop ramp to I-71 north and then the loop ramp back to 841 west or north or however it's signed.  Not sure how the interchange rebuild will fix this.  Kentucky has a precedent set with this in that I-64 west traffic wanting to go to Mountain Parkway east has to exit off onto KY 627 south and then return to I-64 east, and it's been signed this way for as long as I can remember.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Bitmapped on December 18, 2021, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: CardInLex on December 16, 2021, 08:35:42 PM
There's really no where for an exit between the tunnel and the bridge. Although I do hate that there isn't access to US 42 coming from Indiana.

Why couldn't they put in a half diamond at River Road with the missing movements from US 42? It looks like there would be enough room for ramps. There is already a restricted access driveway that connects River Road to the toll road.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 18, 2021, 07:00:01 PM
My recollection of that specific topic was that it was heavily opposed by residents and historic preservationists. It lies within the Harrod's Creek Historic District and the roads within it would need to be substantially upgraded to handle the traffic. Wolf Pen Branch Road and River Road in that area are narrow two-lanes surrounded by stately trees and historic buildings. It would be a tall order to change the character of the neighborhood when it took so long just to get a tunnel cut under the Drumanard Estate.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 2trailertrucker on December 19, 2021, 04:05:27 AM
Quote from: seicer on December 18, 2021, 07:00:01 PM
My recollection of that specific topic was that it was heavily opposed by residents and historic preservationists. It lies within the Harrod's Creek Historic District and the roads within it would need to be substantially upgraded to handle the traffic. Wolf Pen Branch Road and River Road in that area are narrow two-lanes surrounded by stately trees and historic buildings. It would be a tall order to change the character of the neighborhood when it took so long just to get a tunnel cut under the Drumanard Estate.

IIRC, the groups against the road thought they had stopped the road and bridge from being built, only to have Mitch Daniels recommended a tunnel underneath the estate.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 01, 2022, 08:51:59 AM
The new alignment of KY 30 from US 421 to KY 847 has been opened to through traffic. (https://www.wymt.com/2022/02/24/major-improvements-made-ky-30-owsley-jackson-counties/)  (and yes I think that is HB's FB post in the article)

OSM is showing the former route of KY 30 as KY 3630 at the moment.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 03, 2022, 03:25:40 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on March 01, 2022, 08:51:59 AM
The new alignment of KY 30 from US 421 to KY 847 has been opened to through traffic. (https://www.wymt.com/2022/02/24/major-improvements-made-ky-30-owsley-jackson-counties/)  (and yes I think that is HB's FB post in the article)

OSM is showing the former route of KY 30 as KY 3630 at the moment.

Yes, indeed it is my post. I drove out there on the 15th. Got more pictures than what got posted.

As for numbering, the Jackson County part will probably be KY 3630. An existing older section in Owsley County is numbered KY 3536 and I"m not sure if the state will use 3536 or 3630 in Owsley County or not. There's a location where the new and old roads will intersect that has a sign erected, but it's turned sideways so I can't see the number.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on March 16, 2022, 04:35:34 PM
When was KY 57 rerouted in the vicinity of Upper Blue Licks? It looks like it now travels along KY 32 and what was a county route, with the old route re-designated at KY 1325, KY 170, KY 1347, KY 3315. I assume this is to go around the unmaintained ford of the Licking River - which was fun to drive through in the Subaru years ago!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Route_57
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 17, 2022, 12:59:50 PM
Quote from: seicer on March 16, 2022, 04:35:34 PM
When was KY 57 rerouted in the vicinity of Upper Blue Licks? It looks like it now travels along KY 32 and what was a county route, with the old route re-designated at KY 1325, KY 170, KY 1347, KY 3315. I assume this is to go around the unmaintained ford of the Licking River - which was fun to drive through in the Subaru years ago!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Route_57

Sometime before the last Dayton, Ohio meet. I drove it on my way to Dayton for that meet. https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/State%20Primary%20Road%20System%20Lists/Nicholas.pdf indicates it was February 2011.

And yes, it was done to make KY 57 a continuous route. It took over a 3000-series route from near the former end of state maintenance on the south side to connect to KY 32.

KY 227 was rerouted in Owen County about the same time.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on March 30, 2022, 05:46:31 AM
As most of you know, a short section of KY 4 New Circle Road is being widened to six lanes near the US 25 and KY 922 interchanges on the north side of Lexington. However: westbound, there's a new APL for the US 25 exit that shows four lanes on the mainline, not just three. There's a permanent yellow all-text RIGHT LANE ENDS- - MERGE LEFT sign on the US 25 bridge, too. As closely spaced as the US 25 and KY 922 interchanges are, it appears that they're adding an extra lane through the area, like a North Carolina-style poor man's CD.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on March 30, 2022, 09:26:11 AM
It's all grown up... I remember when I went to college at UK back around 2003, it was just four lanes with short accel/decel lanes in that area. Now it's eight lanes.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on March 30, 2022, 10:58:51 AM
I wish they would extend the merge lane on Newtown Pike all the way to Paris Pike

That would help that Bottleneck big time

SM-G996U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 30, 2022, 11:10:31 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on March 30, 2022, 10:58:51 AM
I wish they would extend the merge lane on Newtown Pike all the way to Paris Pike

That would help that Bottleneck big time

SM-G996U

I saw something not too terribly long ago about improvements to that ramp. I don't know if anything is planned beyond the lengthening that's already been done, or not. The minor widening from I-64 to US 60 (Winchester Road) done years ago has helped.

For traffic going north/west on 75/64 wanting to access New Circle to reach the BG Parkway, I've found it best to use US 27/68 (Paris Pike) to New Circle, instead of Newtown Pike. There are actually fewer signals on the Paris Pike/New Circle combo than there are on Newtown between the interstate and the circle.

I think there's a project in the works to widen New Circle from Georgetown Road around to Leestown and the beginning of the existing six-lane segment. It includes a DDI at Leestown.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on March 30, 2022, 07:02:13 PM
Richmond Road (US 25/US 421 and KY 418) is getting several new RCUTs in Lexington. The project will also create a new main entrance into Jacobson Park and eliminate Old Richmond Road (US 25/US 421) between Richmond Road/Athens Boonesboro Road and Aphids Way. Aphids Way will be rebuilt to handle the traffic and bring Old Richmond Road to the Hayes Blvd intersection (which will be an RCUT).

You can see the project plans here:
https://richmondroadimprovements.com/
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on March 30, 2022, 07:12:14 PM
I'm skeptical of the RCUTs working on Richmond Rd.

Should have tried them on the Citation extension and seen if they work. I always thought roundabouts would have been better at the non major intersections of Citation.

SM-G996U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on April 22, 2022, 04:50:41 PM
Reminder of road/interstate closures in Louisville this weekend for Thunder Over Louisville.

Now - Sunday afternoon:
US 31/Clark Memorial Bridge is closed

Saturday (all day):
Most downtown roads north of Main Street in Louisville will be closed
Most roads south of Court Ave on the Indiana side will be closed
Exit ramp to Third Street in Louisville will be closed
Exit ramp to Court Ave in Indiana will be closed
The Big Four Bridge will be closed to pedestrian traffic

Saturday at 8:30pm to 11:00pm:
I-64 between 22nd Street and I-264 (Watterson Expressway in St Matthews) will be closed
I-65 between I-264 (Watterson Expressway) and I-265 in Indiana will be closed
I-71 between I-65 and I-264 (Watterson Expressway) will be closed
I-65 NB Lincoln Bridge will be closed
I-65 SB Kennedy Bridge will be closed

Recommended detour is I-265 around the city.

Saturday at 10:00pm until police see fit:
All traffic in downtown Louisville will be forced to follow "express routes"  on city streets southward, eastward, and westward. No turns are allowed off the express routes. Police will be directing traffic at every intersection. Some two way streets will be one way along the "express routes."  

Just some notes: If you are driving on I-64 and I-65 in the afternoon before the full closures, expect extremely low flying airplanes including at least one UPS 767 passing just a few hundred feet above the bridges.

If you are coming, welcome! Park as far away as you can comfortably walk and arrive early. Wear sunscreen.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on April 22, 2022, 04:53:10 PM
Why so many roads closed for this event?

SM-G996U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on April 22, 2022, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on April 22, 2022, 04:53:10 PM
Why so many roads closed for this event?

SM-G996U

They are expecting over 750,000 people this year. It is the nation's largest firework show with a 7 hour air show before it. They close the interstates before the fireworks to keep people from stopping or parking on the interstates and bridges.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on May 05, 2022, 10:55:53 AM
Which route is longer in Kentucky? Is it US 60 or KY 80? I've seen Wiki says the US route is  30 miles longer, but you can't trust Wiki being info can be changed so easily either by an uninformed person or troll or even both.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on May 05, 2022, 11:05:45 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 05, 2022, 10:55:53 AM
Which route is longer in Kentucky? Is it US 60 or KY 80? I've seen Wiki says the US route is  30 miles longer, but you can't trust Wiki being info can be changed so easily either by an uninformed person or troll or even both.

I would imagine US 60 is longer since it's routing between Paducah and Louisville roughly follows the Ohio River and meanders quite a bit.  KY 80 is mostly straight, except for east of London, and has mostly been rerouted to straighter, more modern alignments (except where the Cumberland and Rogers/Boone Parkways run near it).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 05, 2022, 11:40:31 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on May 05, 2022, 11:05:45 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 05, 2022, 10:55:53 AM
Which route is longer in Kentucky? Is it US 60 or KY 80? I've seen Wiki says the US route is  30 miles longer, but you can't trust Wiki being info can be changed so easily either by an uninformed person or troll or even both.

I would imagine US 60 is longer since it's routing between Paducah and Louisville roughly follows the Ohio River and meanders quite a bit.  KY 80 is mostly straight, except for east of London, and has mostly been rerouted to straighter, more modern alignments (except where the Cumberland and Rogers/Boone Parkways run near it).


US 60 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=markkos1992&r=ky.us060) is slightly longer (487.18 miles) than KY 80 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=markkos1992&r=ky.ky0080) (475.61 miles) according to Travel Mapping.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 06, 2022, 05:33:59 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 05, 2022, 11:40:31 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on May 05, 2022, 11:05:45 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 05, 2022, 10:55:53 AM
Which route is longer in Kentucky? Is it US 60 or KY 80? I've seen Wiki says the US route is  30 miles longer, but you can't trust Wiki being info can be changed so easily either by an uninformed person or troll or even both.

I would imagine US 60 is longer since it's routing between Paducah and Louisville roughly follows the Ohio River and meanders quite a bit.  KY 80 is mostly straight, except for east of London, and has mostly been rerouted to straighter, more modern alignments (except where the Cumberland and Rogers/Boone Parkways run near it).


US 60 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=markkos1992&r=ky.us060) is slightly longer (487.18 miles) than KY 80 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=markkos1992&r=ky.ky0080) (475.61 miles) according to Travel Mapping.

Just remember our liberal use of shaping points trying to keep the route in tolerance.  So, it could be even closer if there's some sections of super curvy road that only has a single shaping point for it.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on May 07, 2022, 12:54:19 PM
Reminder of Kentucky Derby traffic.

Most roads a few blocks around Churchill Downs are closed.

No full interstate closures expected. But, the off ramps leading to Churchill will close at 5:45pm. Additionally, right lanes of interstates 264 and 65 will be closed at that time to allow traffic leaving Churchill to get onto the interstates easier.

Happy Derby!
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CanesFan27 on June 04, 2022, 08:45:54 PM
The Fork in the Road and the Cutting Edge of Simpson County (Kentucky) - are more than just quirky pieces of roadside art.  It's a local high school connecting with its community with works of public art.

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/06/a-near-table-setting-in-franklin.html
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 06, 2022, 06:13:31 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on June 04, 2022, 08:45:54 PM
The Fork in the Road and the Cutting Edge of Simpson County (Kentucky) - are more than just quirky pieces of roadside art.  It's a local high school connecting with its community with works of public art.

https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/06/a-near-table-setting-in-franklin.html

I was just in this area the past weekend.  I didn't know about this one. 
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on June 14, 2022, 02:44:22 PM
What kind of font is on the Bardstown/Louisville distance sign? 

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6916036,-85.2350549,3a,15y,296.21h,86.45t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1soeobIvNGgFREgcIggSsFLQ!2e0!5s20130601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on June 15, 2022, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on June 14, 2022, 02:44:22 PM
What kind of font is on the Bardstown/Louisville distance sign? 

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6916036,-85.2350549,3a,15y,296.21h,86.45t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1soeobIvNGgFREgcIggSsFLQ!2e0!5s20130601T000000!7i13312!8i6656

That's a standard font that most KYTC districts used to make such signs for years. The letters were cut out of white reflective material and applied to the green sheeting. Now, most districts use a laser trimming method whereby there's a thin green sheet overlaying a white reflective sheet on the sign blank, and the letter shapes are cut with the laser and then peeled off.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on June 20, 2022, 05:53:48 PM
https://www.myq104.com/2022/06/07/gov-beshear-presents-855000-to-construct-new-bridge-on-u-s-68-in-marion-county/

I'm curious how this is going to work exactly.

This is the area the article is referring to.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5757677,-85.2325445,3a,82.6y,145.27h,82.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snE1MTAFiobCgTKQbRrsPqA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on June 20, 2022, 09:12:04 PM
Probably just a pedestrian overpass with either a gentle ADA-compliant grade on either side of the road, or elevators on either side. Most likely similar to the new one being constructed on KY 876 in Richmond near the EKU campus just east of KY 52, or the one on KY 32 in Morehead near St. Claire Medical Center.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on June 30, 2022, 05:02:14 PM
I-65 South (mainline lanes) will be closed beginning July 5th and remain closed for the next 48 days (full closure) just after the Kennedy bridge. All thru traffic will have to detour onto the Jefferson Street c/d ramp, hop over a few lanes, and rejoin I-65 south mainline.

This closure comes after a truck lost it load several months ago severely damaging an overpass. Traffic has been reduced to one mainline lane since then. A full closure is necessary for repairs to take place. Additionally, lanes underneath the overpass (I-64 and ramps to/from I-64) will also have periodic lane closures.

https://www.facebook.com/100064794123736/posts/pfbid0LcPuJtryXUtcdjNnQsNoB5CDwqXiNwEAE4VDFufMFkSvJsAAf4X8MXTK9NavF3XSl/

Edit: Update to closure date. I had it wrong.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on July 01, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
Some trucking company's insurance carrier is going to be out a huge settlement amount over that one...
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: stevashe on July 20, 2022, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 20, 2022, 09:12:04 PM
Probably just a pedestrian overpass with either a gentle ADA-compliant grade on either side of the road, or elevators on either side. Most likely similar to the new one being constructed on KY 876 in Richmond near the EKU campus just east of KY 52, or the one on KY 32 in Morehead near St. Claire Medical Center.

On the contrary, the linked article states that the bridge will be constructed on US 68 and that pedestrians will pass underneath the highway, which is probably what prompted XamotCGC's question, as it does seem like there isn't enough space for that.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on July 20, 2022, 12:33:10 PM
Quote from: stevashe on July 20, 2022, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 20, 2022, 09:12:04 PM
Probably just a pedestrian overpass with either a gentle ADA-compliant grade on either side of the road, or elevators on either side. Most likely similar to the new one being constructed on KY 876 in Richmond near the EKU campus just east of KY 52, or the one on KY 32 in Morehead near St. Claire Medical Center.

On the contrary, the linked article states that the bridge will be constructed on US 68 and that pedestrians will pass underneath the highway, which is probably what prompted XamotCGC's question, as it does seem like there isn't enough space for that.

May be similar to what Pikeville Medical Center did, then. They built a pedestrian tunnel underneath KY 1426 (Bypass Road) from a parking lot to the hospital's main campus.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on July 20, 2022, 03:43:50 PM
^How rich have engineering firms gotten off of that town?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on July 20, 2022, 04:38:58 PM
Enough - but that hospital is probably one of the more unique locations. Who locates it in a steep holler? The hospital is very tall - and incredibly efficient in land use.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on July 21, 2022, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: seicer on July 20, 2022, 04:38:58 PM
Enough - but that hospital is probably one of the more unique locations. Who locates it in a steep holler? The hospital is very tall - and incredibly efficient in land use.

And the hospital owns much of the property in town as well, plus a broadcasting company.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on July 27, 2022, 10:52:07 AM
New section of KY 30 in Owsley and Jackson counties dedicated:

https://www.wymt.com/2022/07/20/governor-andy-beshear-cuts-ribbon-segment-ky-30-jackson-co/

Two different video clips included with the story. Some of you might recognize someone.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on August 02, 2022, 02:43:32 PM
Nightly lane closures of I-71 between I-265 (Gene Snyder Freeway) and the Blankenbaker Ln overpass begin this week.

A full 10-day closure of I-71 South between I-265 and Zorn Ave (including the interchange with I-264) will happen later this month or early September. Suggested detour is I-265 South to I-64 West to access I-264 or downtown.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on August 02, 2022, 06:14:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 27, 2022, 10:52:07 AM
New section of KY 30 in Owsley and Jackson counties dedicated:

https://www.wymt.com/2022/07/20/governor-andy-beshear-cuts-ribbon-segment-ky-30-jackson-co/

Two different video clips included with the story. Some of you might recognize someone.

The idea of a rural two-lane highway that can do so much to increase accessibility even in the third decade of the 21st century really appeals to me. I do wish the Streetview car would make it over there, though.

Where's that stretch of KY 11 you were talking about?   
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on August 03, 2022, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on August 02, 2022, 06:14:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 27, 2022, 10:52:07 AM
New section of KY 30 in Owsley and Jackson counties dedicated:

https://www.wymt.com/2022/07/20/governor-andy-beshear-cuts-ribbon-segment-ky-30-jackson-co/

Two different video clips included with the story. Some of you might recognize someone.

The idea of a rural two-lane highway that can do so much to increase accessibility even in the third decade of the 21st century really appeals to me. I do wish the Streetview car would make it over there, though.

Where's that stretch of KY 11 you were talking about?

From the KY 30 intersection in Owsley County to two miles north of the county line in Lee County.

I have photos of the new road but haven't posted it yet.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ukfan758 on August 11, 2022, 12:36:37 PM
Someone mentioned on Reddit (without evidence) that the improvements for the 64/265 interchange (adding the turbines iirc) was scrapped by the contractor. Is there any truth to this? If so, the widening is just going to mean 50% more cars can reach that interchange and cause potentially even worse backups with that outdated cloverleaf.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on August 11, 2022, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on August 11, 2022, 12:36:37 PM
Someone mentioned on Reddit (without evidence) that the improvements for the 64/265 interchange (adding the turbines iirc) was scrapped by the contractor. Is there any truth to this? If so, the widening is just going to mean 50% more cars can reach that interchange and cause potentially even worse backups with that outdated cloverleaf.

I don't think a contractor has the ability to scrap a part of the project.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on August 11, 2022, 03:50:32 PM
No, the project is still ongoing as far as KYTC is concerned (https://i-moveky.com/).

Where on Reddit did you see this? I couldn't see it under r/Louisville.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 15, 2022, 12:10:43 PM
Looks like the Natcher Bridge is going to get an overlay next spring. Copied from KYTC D2's Facebook page:

Measurements to be Collected at Natcher Bridge in Daviess County on US 231 on Thursday, Aug. 11

Motorists are encouraged to take alternate routes

MADISONVILLE, Ky. (August 10, 2022) — A contractor plans to close the slow lanes of the Northbound and Southbound directions at US 231 at the Natcher Bridge (approximately 14 miles to the state line) on Thursday, August 11.
This effort is being done to allow the contractor to gather measurements of the bridge. The data collected may be used for a bridge overlay later in the spring.
This task is scheduled to begin approximately at  9:00 am and continue through to 3:00 pm.
Drivers are encouraged to seek alternate routes while this work is addressed.
Timely traffic advisories for the 11 counties of KYTC Highway District 2 are available by going to www.facebook.com/kytcdistrict2. You do not have to be a Facebook member to access this page
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on August 23, 2022, 09:01:36 PM
Contract awarded today for widening of I-75/I-64 between the Paris Pike (US 27/68) and Newtown Pike (KY 922) exits. It will include some bridge work on the Paris Pike overpass and a sound wall along the widened portion. No ROW needs to be purchased so I'm figuring they'll just add a lane to the outside of each carriageway with "exit only" lane drops.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on August 23, 2022, 09:42:16 PM
Wouldn't the Russell Cave Rd overpass need to be rebuilt also or are they going to just squeeze the lane through there with a minimal shoulder?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on August 23, 2022, 09:48:19 PM
Both Russell Cave and Bryan Station Road bridges over I-64/I-75 would need to be replaced and widened I would think.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on August 23, 2022, 10:41:44 PM
Both bridges are being retained, with just shoulders being narrowed.

https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictSeven/Pages/I64-I75-Widening-Project.aspx
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on August 24, 2022, 02:59:52 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 23, 2022, 09:01:36 PM
Contract awarded today for widening of I-75/I-64 between the Paris Pike (US 27/68) and Newtown Pike (KY 922) exits. It will include some bridge work on the Paris Pike overpass and a sound wall along the widened portion. No ROW needs to be purchased so I'm figuring they'll just add a lane to the outside of each carriageway with "exit only" lane drops.

No shoulders under the Russell Cave Road bridge (https://goo.gl/maps/zY2rXzMgTHQSEVZ17), then.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on August 24, 2022, 10:09:43 AM
Western Kentucky Parkway upgrade study has been released: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/Western_Kentucky_Parkway_Final_Report.pdf

This supports efforts to renumber the remainder of the Western Kentucky Parkway from I-65 to I-165. I actually forgot how rural much of this route is - and how widely spaced the exits are. Proposed work involves widening the inside shoulder to a consistent 4' minimum, increasing superelevations, adding or replacing guardrails, replacing metal bridge railings, minor widening of bridges, replacing bridges or lowering pavements to achieve vertical clearance, widening outside shoulders to 12', adding cable median barriers, increasing accel./decel. lengths on three ramps, increasing lane widths on a cloverleaf off-ramp, increasing control of access (right-of-way), and major reconstruction of Exit 137 with I-65.

-

AA Highway/KY 9 scoping study for improvements in the vicinity of I-275: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/6-448%20KY%209%20Scoping%20Study_Final_Report%208-1-22.pdf

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 24, 2022, 11:26:35 AM
As long as you only have one lane exiting for I-471 NB from I-275 EB east of here, I am unsure how improving the KY 9 interchange will alleviate any congestion.

Last year, I drove I-275 WB in the area on Sunday Evening and I-275 EB was backed up on the hill towards I-471 NB as traffic was told to avoid the Brent Spence Bridge due to lane closures for construction.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on August 24, 2022, 02:08:56 PM
This more or less alleviates issues for westbound AA Highway to westbound I-275 travelers where the queue backs up onto the mainline. The short-term plan is to simply add a longer turn lane but the long-term plan is to build a dedicated exit ramp for that movement.

The other issue deals with congestion just south. That portion really needs to be six-lanes with the elimination of mid-block crossings.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on August 24, 2022, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: seicer on August 24, 2022, 10:09:43 AM
Western Kentucky Parkway upgrade study has been released: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/Western_Kentucky_Parkway_Final_Report.pdf

This supports efforts to renumber the remainder of the Western Kentucky Parkway from I-65 to I-165. I actually forgot how rural much of this route is - and how widely spaced the exits are. Proposed work involves widening the inside shoulder to a consistent 4' minimum, increasing superelevations, adding or replacing guardrails, replacing metal bridge railings, minor widening of bridges, replacing bridges or lowering pavements to achieve vertical clearance, widening outside shoulders to 12', adding cable median barriers, increasing accel./decel. lengths on three ramps, increasing lane widths on a cloverleaf off-ramp, increasing control of access (right-of-way), and major reconstruction of Exit 137 with I-65.

That would have to be a different number than 165, which is on the Natcher Parkway now.

There used to be a 30-mile stretch between Leitchfield and E-town with no exits between KY 259 and the US 31W Bypass. After the tolls came off, a partial exit was built at KY 84 and it was later converted to a full exit. Then a partial exit was built at KY 224; I don't know if it's been converted to a full exit or not.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 24, 2022, 03:54:54 PM
QuoteThen a partial exit was built at KY 224; I don't know if it's been converted to a full exit or not.

Google Maps show it as a full interchange now.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Alps on August 24, 2022, 10:46:34 PM
Quote from: seicer on August 24, 2022, 10:09:43 AM
Western Kentucky Parkway upgrade study has been released: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/Western_Kentucky_Parkway_Final_Report.pdf

This supports efforts to renumber the remainder of the Western Kentucky Parkway from I-65 to I-165. I actually forgot how rural much of this route is - and how widely spaced the exits are. Proposed work involves widening the inside shoulder to a consistent 4' minimum, increasing superelevations, adding or replacing guardrails, replacing metal bridge railings, minor widening of bridges, replacing bridges or lowering pavements to achieve vertical clearance, widening outside shoulders to 12', adding cable median barriers, increasing accel./decel. lengths on three ramps, increasing lane widths on a cloverleaf off-ramp, increasing control of access (right-of-way), and major reconstruction of Exit 137 with I-65.
Renumbering to... I-665?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on August 25, 2022, 10:12:53 AM
I can't even keep up with these new interstates in Kentucky - but I didn't realize that I-569 is on the books from I-69/I-169 (Pennyrile Parkway) to I-165 (Natcher Parkway). It was originally set to be I-369. It has not yet been signed as far as I know because of pending construction to bring that part up to standards. So it could be conceivable that the rest of the Western Kentucky Parkway to I-65 could just be I-569.

Or it could be like North Carolina and Kentucky could just drop a bombshell and number the Western Kentucky Parkway to be... I-51 or some other two-digit!
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Life in Paradise on August 25, 2022, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: seicer on August 25, 2022, 10:12:53 AM
I can't even keep up with these new interstates in Kentucky - but I didn't realize that I-569 is on the books from I-69/I-169 (Pennyrile Parkway) to I-165 (Natcher Parkway). It was originally set to be I-369. It has not yet been signed as far as I know because of pending construction to bring that part up to standards. So it could be conceivable that the rest of the Western Kentucky Parkway to I-65 could just be I-569.

Or it could be like North Carolina and Kentucky could just drop a bombshell and number the Western Kentucky Parkway to be... I-51 or some other two-digit!
I really wish they would get away from the three digit long extensions in Kentucky.  They could just as well brand it like you said, I-51 or even I-71 or an even digit (since it is more east/west) like anything from 46 to 62.  It's an interstate that would start at one interstate and end at another
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 25, 2022, 03:22:03 PM
The future Interstate 569 designation should extend all the way to Interstate 65, and not end at Interstate 165. Upon being designated as 569, I imagine all the exits on the WKP will be renumbered to correspond with Interstate 569's mileage. While they're add it, may they can add Interstate 169 signs to the remant segment of the Pennyrile Parkway.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on August 25, 2022, 06:01:47 PM
I think all of the Pennyrile south of the Western Kentucky Parkway/I-69 is I-169. What remnant are you referring to?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 25, 2022, 06:21:37 PM
The segment that will be signed as Interstate 169 in the future, but is still signed as the Pennyrile Parkway. I consider it a remant from the time when the Pennyrile Parkway designation went all the way to Henderson (pre-2008).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on August 25, 2022, 08:19:24 PM
I would rather have long(ish) three-digit routes as opposed to short two-digit routes that really don't serve a major intercity or interstate corridor.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on August 25, 2022, 08:47:39 PM
*North Carolina takes notes.*
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on August 25, 2022, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on August 25, 2022, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: seicer on August 25, 2022, 10:12:53 AM
I can't even keep up with these new interstates in Kentucky - but I didn't realize that I-569 is on the books from I-69/I-169 (Pennyrile Parkway) to I-165 (Natcher Parkway). It was originally set to be I-369. It has not yet been signed as far as I know because of pending construction to bring that part up to standards. So it could be conceivable that the rest of the Western Kentucky Parkway to I-65 could just be I-569.

Or it could be like North Carolina and Kentucky could just drop a bombshell and number the Western Kentucky Parkway to be... I-51 or some other two-digit!
I really wish they would get away from the three digit long extensions in Kentucky.  They could just as well brand it like you said, I-51 or even I-71 or an even digit (since it is more east/west) like anything from 46 to 62.  It's an interstate that would start at one interstate and end at another

Yeah I could even see this as I-62, which could cause a lot of confusion with US 62, which this corridor follows!  But seriously, it should probably be I-58.  They can also possibly get away with it also taking over the Bluegrass Parkway as well, *and* get away with not completing it to a proper ending at I-64, so long as the section of US 60 where it terminates is on the NHS.

Having too many 3di's can be confusing.  Using a 2di for this particular situation shouldn't be considered a waste IMO.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on August 26, 2022, 09:04:20 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if the Bluegrass Parkway would be next for a interstate designation - maybe I-365. It is mostly up to interstate standards but would need revisions to bridge railings, superelevations, shoulders, etc., and one interchange would need to be reconstructed.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: MATraveler128 on August 26, 2022, 09:11:16 AM
Quote from: seicer on August 26, 2022, 09:04:20 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if the Bluegrass Parkway would be next for a interstate designation - maybe I-365. It is mostly up to interstate standards but would need revisions to bridge railings, superelevations, shoulders, etc., and one interchange would need to be reconstructed.

I believe the Cumberland Parkway is already proposed to use the I-365 number. If anything, that would be I-565, although I'd prefer I-765 instead.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Life in Paradise on August 26, 2022, 12:36:20 PM
Just think, if things had gone another way and Arkansas got the OK to extend I-30 NE of Little Rock, they could have tied it into I-155 (via US 412) and then run I-30 all the way to Lexington, KY.  You have to admit, it does fit the diagonal started between Dallas and Little Rock plus it would have made a good alternative to I-40 for northern bound traffic.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on August 26, 2022, 07:16:50 PM
Quote from: seicer on August 26, 2022, 09:04:20 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if the Bluegrass Parkway would be next for a interstate designation - maybe I-365. It is mostly up to interstate standards but would need revisions to bridge railings, superelevations, shoulders, etc., and one interchange would need to be reconstructed.

Two, actually -- KY 52 and KY 55.

For some reason, I don't see the clamor for that route to get an interstate designation the way other parkways are. Neither Brett Guthrie nor Andy Barr seem interested in pushing Congress to make the corridor an interstate.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 26, 2022, 07:44:36 PM
I still think I-71 is the best designation for the WKP and what's slated to become I-169. The somewhat longish multiplex with I-65 wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Dirt Roads on August 26, 2022, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 26, 2022, 07:16:50 PM
For some reason, I don't see the clamor for that route to get an interstate designation the way other parkways are. Neither Brett Guthrie nor Andy Barr seem interested in pushing Congress to make the corridor an interstate.

There's a lot of prime real estate between the eastern end of the Bluegrass Parkway and I-64/I-75 (ergo, those pricey horse farms and Keeneland).  Presumably, an Interstate designation would come with a mandate to complete the connection in a reasonable period of time.  I've always wondered if it would make sense to change the routing and create a bypass on the west side of Versailles and northward to meet I-64 near Midway.  That's not only a less expensive extension, but also much shorter than the [presumed] concept of connecting directly with I-64 on the east side of Lexington (which might look really good to a planner, but looks wasteful to me).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Tom958 on August 27, 2022, 07:15:24 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on August 26, 2022, 12:36:20 PM
Just think, if things had gone another way and Arkansas got the OK to extend I-30 NE of Little Rock, they could have tied it into I-155 (via US 412) and then run I-30 all the way to Lexington, KY.  You have to admit, it does fit the diagonal started between Dallas and Little Rock plus it would have made a good alternative to I-40 for northern bound traffic.

Better yet, build a new link from I-57 near Cairo to I-24 near Paducah and have I-57 south of Cairo be I-30, with the new link and various existing roads carrying I-30 to Lexington's doorstep. :)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on August 27, 2022, 05:23:46 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on August 26, 2022, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 26, 2022, 07:16:50 PM
For some reason, I don't see the clamor for that route to get an interstate designation the way other parkways are. Neither Brett Guthrie nor Andy Barr seem interested in pushing Congress to make the corridor an interstate.

There's a lot of prime real estate between the eastern end of the Bluegrass Parkway and I-64/I-75 (ergo, those pricey horse farms and Keeneland).  Presumably, an Interstate designation would come with a mandate to complete the connection in a reasonable period of time.  I've always wondered if it would make sense to change the routing and create a bypass on the west side of Versailles and northward to meet I-64 near Midway.  That's not only a less expensive extension, but also much shorter than the [presumed] concept of connecting directly with I-64 on the east side of Lexington (which might look really good to a planner, but looks wasteful to me).

The Woodford County interests are pretty much against ANYTHING, and a routing of a freeway through or near Midway would be met with very loud opposition. There was lots of opposition to building the existing southwest bypass between KY 33 and US 62, and screams reminiscent of the proverbial stuck pig when it was proposed to extend that bypass to US 60 on the Frankfort side of town.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on August 28, 2022, 10:27:09 AM
Coupled with what would be very expensive right-of-way costs - that is some of the most expensive farmland in the nation - I don't think the state could afford to build it. But something will eventually need to be done to US 60 between the Bluegrass Parkway and KY 4/New Circle Road - either six lane mainline widening with cross-traffic closures or maybe a quasi-freeway conversion.

As for a west Versailles bypass, that idea got quashed by considerable opposition from not only residents of Versailles but farm interests who didn't want to see the property developed. US 62 is also a state Scenic Byway and the area has numerous historic sites, rural historic districts, and urban historic districts. Complicating the expensive real estate is that a considerable amount of that land is sitting in conservation trusts so that it can't be developed for other purposes.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on September 03, 2022, 02:22:24 AM
Is there any plan to build a flyover ramp from I-264 to I-65 south?

SM-G996U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on September 03, 2022, 07:44:07 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on September 03, 2022, 02:22:24 AM
Is there any plan to build a flyover ramp from I-264 to I-65 south?

SM-G996U



I think the FAA would take issue with any sort of high ramps at this interchange since it's right up against the airport.  They probably did the best that they could when they reconstructed that monstrosity back in the late 80's.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on September 03, 2022, 11:15:11 AM
Didn't think of the Airport situation

It was rough I was trying to get to the airport and didn't know if I got over if I'd make the airport exit.

SM-G996U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 03, 2022, 06:54:20 PM
The last time I went west across the Watterson, trying to get to I-65 southbound, it was the middle of the day and traffic was backed up horribly in the right lanes and I didn't have a chance to get over. Turns out all that traffic was exiting onto I-65. What I ended up doing was going to the airport exit and turning around and getting back on the Watterson eastbound at a ramp to southbound 65. That was probably faster than sitting in the backed-up lane that extended beyond Newburg.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on September 05, 2022, 12:01:47 PM
There is a proposal to reconstruct the southbound ramp to have larger radii and moving the southbound ramp to exit 11. Although I am not sure the latter would actually help.

https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictFive/Pages/I-65_I-264_Interchange_Planning_Study.aspx
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 06, 2022, 09:50:32 AM
The airport is both a blessing and a curse. It's super close to downtown (and really should be connected with a light rail or people mover system at this point) but it's hamstrung by capacity limitations because of surrounding neighborhoods (although some got recently torn down), the interstates, and UPS Worldport.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia on September 06, 2022, 06:12:05 PM
SDF is right sized for its traffic; there is talk that the east runway is going to be extended which will be interesting to see how that is done over the UPS parking lot, Fern Valley and even 65 if if the extension is long enough.. 
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on September 07, 2022, 09:31:36 AM
I have thought a lot about runway expansion and I-65. With the airport owning so much land east of 65, I could see 65 being rebuilt between what is the abandoned Honeysuckle Way and Norton Ave and curving back in over Grade Lane. Yes, some businesses along Fern Valley would have to relocate. A runway extension could then be pulled over the existing Grade Lane, existing 65 ramps, and existing Fern Valley Road.

But I am not sure this would happen any time soon. The airport seems focused on improvements to the NW corner over the former Crittenden Drive roadbed.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 14, 2022, 08:13:27 PM
I think they're very close to a final decision on the Mountain Parkway four-lane alignment between Salyersville and Prestonsburg. I have no idea whether they'll opt for a new terrain alignment or a widening of existing KY 114, but I suspect they'll go for the former. There was tremendous concern that there wasn't enough available housing in Floyd County to accommodate those who would be displaced by widening the existing route, and after July's flooding, there's an even more extreme housing crunch in eastern Kentucky.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on September 14, 2022, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 14, 2022, 08:13:27 PM
I think they're very close to a final decision on the Mountain Parkway four-lane alignment between Salyersville and Prestonsburg. I have no idea whether they'll opt for a new terrain alignment or a widening of existing KY 114, but I suspect they'll go for the former. There was tremendous concern that there wasn't enough available housing in Floyd County to accommodate those who would be displaced by widening the existing route, and after July's flooding, there's an even more extreme housing crunch in eastern Kentucky.
Eesh.  That is a ROW nightmare.  Would love to hear how those relocations work out and how they pull it off.  Have to say that I find KYTC quite innovative at times, just out of the necessity of the situations that they have to resolve.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 15, 2022, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 14, 2022, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 14, 2022, 08:13:27 PM
I think they're very close to a final decision on the Mountain Parkway four-lane alignment between Salyersville and Prestonsburg. I have no idea whether they'll opt for a new terrain alignment or a widening of existing KY 114, but I suspect they'll go for the former. There was tremendous concern that there wasn't enough available housing in Floyd County to accommodate those who would be displaced by widening the existing route, and after July's flooding, there's an even more extreme housing crunch in eastern Kentucky.
Eesh.  That is a ROW nightmare.  Would love to hear how those relocations work out and how they pull it off.  Have to say that I find KYTC quite innovative at times, just out of the necessity of the situations that they have to resolve.

The overall cost for a new-terrain alignment was more than the cost for widening of the existing route. Costs for ROW and utility relocation were significantly higher for using the KY 114 corridor, but construction costs were more for the new-terrain route. All things being equal, in my opinion, the new-terrain alignment would be better even thought it's more costly, in terms of the fact that it would cause fewer problems for residents of the area.

The new-terrain route would run to the north of the existing KY 114, and would tie in on the western end at the US 460 intersection and on the eastern end at the end of the existing four-lane route near the new Prestonsburg Elementary School. The original plans I saw call for an at-grade intersection with US 460 and no intersections along the new route. I think, but am not positive, that it would be  full freeway with no access to property along the route.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 15, 2022, 10:59:06 AM
I recall seeing that it would have no interchanges in between the at-grade with US 460 and the tie-in with the existing four-lane near the battlefield. There isn't really anything to interchange with that couldn't be served by the old alignment.

Part of me wonders that if the state would simply consolidate intersections and clear back the ROW if this issue could be mitigated but it seems that they simply want a four-lane corridor throughout.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 15, 2022, 08:30:58 PM
Pikeville and Prestonsburg want a four-lane corridor throughout.

My personal opinion is, and always has been, that a full four-lane is not necessary. Some improvements to the existing "super-2" are in my mind all that were needed, especially since Kentucky is eschewing full four-lane routes for "2+1" configurations elsewhere.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on September 16, 2022, 06:17:03 PM
FYI: I-71 South (southbound only) will be closed for the next ten days beginning tonight at 8pm between I-265 and I-264. Find an alternate route if you'll be traveling I-71 south!
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 19, 2022, 10:16:09 AM
It looks like they are doing full-depth pavement repairs and asphalting that entire stretch.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: dvferyance on September 19, 2022, 04:36:40 PM
Since when is Kentucky a great lakes state?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 19, 2022, 07:56:13 PM
Mountain Parkway corridor for the extension from Salyersville to Prestonsburg was announced today. As I predicted, they opted for a new-terrain alignment to the north of existing KY 114.

There's no money behind this and no timetable for design or construction to begin. Necessary surveying and environmental/archaeological work will begin shortly.

Apparently, most local lobbying from residents and elected officials was in favor of the new alignment. Not only were housing issues a primary consideration, but traffic control was also a key factor. As it is now, traffic control will only have to be done on either end of the route, where it ties into US 460 in Salyersville and existing four-lane KY 114 west of Prestonsburg. Utility relocations will be minimal along the chosen route.

The road will be built as a limited access freeway with a speed limit of 70 mph.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 19, 2022, 10:14:29 PM
I just saw that announcement on WSAZ-3. It looks like the major motivating factor was the right-of-way constraints on the existing right-of-way.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 20, 2022, 01:16:36 PM
Quote from: seicer on September 19, 2022, 10:14:29 PM
I just saw that announcement on WSAZ-3. It looks like the major motivating factor was the right-of-way constraints on the existing right-of-way.

Yes, and the housing shortage exacerbated by the flooding may have played a role in the decision. I've also heard that potential bidders lobbied for the new terrain alignment because it would be easier and faster to build. A representative of at least one construction company that could potentially bid on the project was there yesterday.

There's speculation that this may become a design-build project in the next biennial budget/six-year road plan, to be adopted in 2024.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Scott5114 on September 23, 2022, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 19, 2022, 04:36:40 PM
Since when is Kentucky a great lakes state?

Since September 11, 2022.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32114.0
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32115

That's democracy in action, baby!
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 09:13:27 AM
Does anyone know why the Mayfield Bypass around Mayfield, KY has no connection with US 62?  I noticed that US 62 crosses over US 68 but no ramps between the two. Both are two lane non freeway roads too.  Seems real strange to have this crossing the way it is.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 26, 2022, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 09:13:27 AM
Does anyone know why the Mayfield Bypass around Mayfield, KY has no connection with US 62?  I noticed that US 62 crosses over US 68 but no ramps between the two. Both are two lane non freeway roads too.  Seems real strange to have this crossing the way it is.

You mean Maysville, and I have no clue why this road was designed this way.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 02:33:55 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 26, 2022, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 09:13:27 AM
Does anyone know why the Mayfield Bypass around Mayfield, KY has no connection with US 62?  I noticed that US 62 crosses over US 68 but no ramps between the two. Both are two lane non freeway roads too.  Seems real strange to have this crossing the way it is.

You mean Maysville, and I have no clue why this road was designed this way.

You figure with the weight restrictions on the old Ohio River crossing, they would build ramps so the trucks could have easy access to the newer crossing.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 26, 2022, 02:55:10 PM
US 62 isn't a high-volume route - it's mostly a local route that is mostly unimproved from its iteration. Through traffic to the central part of the state will use US 68. At any rate, it's just a several-minute detour to get on the William Harsha Bridge over the river: https://goo.gl/maps/rP9F6fDKGRYPE4kj9

From what I recall in the local paper at the time, the reason that an interchange wasn't considered for US 62 is because of cost and local concerns about the bypass being further developed.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on September 26, 2022, 03:14:37 PM
The interchange further up the road at US 68 and KY 10 is interesting. It looks like there is an extra ramp. I doubt there is enough traffic that the loop ramp couldn't have handled both left and right turns. At the end of the ramp an extra left turn lane probably could have handled the traffic and would have been cheaper than the extra ramp.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/U6o2GMFY8oxMo1U86?g_st=ic
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 03:22:38 PM
Does AA stand for anything on KY Route9?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: codyg1985 on September 26, 2022, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 03:22:38 PM
Does AA stand for anything on KY Route9?

Ashland-Alexandria I think.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 03:51:25 PM
I understand it's Kentuckys way of competing with Ohios US 52.  However, unlike the US Route it parallels, it has limited services so cities like Mansfield make out with their fast food and motels.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 26, 2022, 04:17:19 PM
Quote from: CardInLex on September 26, 2022, 03:14:37 PM
The interchange further up the road at US 68 and KY 10 is interesting. It looks like there is an extra ramp. I doubt there is enough traffic that the loop ramp couldn't have handled both left and right turns. At the end of the ramp an extra left turn lane probably could have handled the traffic and would have been cheaper than the extra ramp.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/U6o2GMFY8oxMo1U86?g_st=ic

It's called a "flop" interchange in the value engineering document: https://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/VE%20Study/VE200810.pdf. This document also explains why intersections were not considered for Clarks Run or US 62 (cost and topography).

For the extension to the east side of the city, interchanges will be built at US 68 and KY 11.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: dvferyance on September 26, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 23, 2022, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 19, 2022, 04:36:40 PM
Since when is Kentucky a great lakes state?

Since September 11, 2022.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32114.0
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32115

That's democracy in action, baby!
That still doesn't make it a great lakes state.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: skluth on September 26, 2022, 07:56:16 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 26, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 23, 2022, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 19, 2022, 04:36:40 PM
Since when is Kentucky a great lakes state?

Since September 11, 2022.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32114.0
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32115

That's democracy in action, baby!
That still doesn't make it a great lakes state.

Great Lakes AND Ohio Valley
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 08:29:46 PM
Considering that three states touch both the Ohio River and Great Lakes, it seems appropriate.  Now you don't, let's say for Indiana, have to find the line between the part of the state in the GL thread or OV thread.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on September 26, 2022, 09:01:15 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 03:51:25 PM
I understand it's Kentuckys way of competing with Ohios US 52.  However, unlike the US Route it parallels, it has limited services so cities like Mansfield make out with their fast food and motels.

For the most part, new stuff just doesn't open up on these new freeways in this part of the country and if it does it takes a really long time. OH-32 is the same way. It didn't get the kind of instant development that say, interstates in the Midwest in the '60s did. A city as old as Marysville (1787) on the AA Highway is going to be an exception since there was already significant development already.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 26, 2022, 09:09:58 PM
I just drove US 52 between West Portsmouth and Aberdeen the other day. There's very little in the way of services along the route. There's actually more in Vanceburg on the AA between the river crossings than there is anywhere along 52.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 10:44:32 PM
All I know is Ashland Stations were plentiful in 1989 along the route. That is US 52.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 26, 2022, 11:20:10 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on September 03, 2022, 07:44:07 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on September 03, 2022, 02:22:24 AM
Is there any plan to build a flyover ramp from I-264 to I-65 south?

SM-G996U



I think the FAA would take issue with any sort of high ramps at this interchange since it's right up against the airport.  They probably did the best that they could when they reconstructed that monstrosity back in the late 80's.
Sounds like they would have to go subterranean.  They did that over at ATL and BNA.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on September 27, 2022, 09:30:29 AM
US 52 is kind of the forgotten but scenic route along the river. There were more amenities (restaurants, gas stations) along the route but the completion of the AA Highway (1995) and the Appalachian Highway siphoned off through traffic. For us, it takes 2.2 hours to get to Cincinnati via the AA Highway, or 2 hours via OH 32/73, or 3 hours via US 52.

The AA Highway hasn't fully developed except for Maysville and, to a limited extent, Vanceburg because of utilities and a lack of traffic. It's down to 1,300 or so along the northern branch toward US 23, 2,300 or so along the southern branch toward I-64, 6,200 west of Vanceburg, 12,000 around Maysville, and 6,000 west of Maysville.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: roadman65 on September 27, 2022, 11:53:31 AM
The AA Highway does not offer scenic river views like US 52 and yes, it hasn't had time to develop being so recently established.  Plus the part of the state is not a high demanding area for transplants to relocate to like, say, many parts of Texas or Florida are.

I also heard as well, though, that the AA Highway is accident prone due to it having long straightaways with no curves. Don't know if that's true as it was a Wiki Article, which is not factual but opinions based upon anybody who has access to the articles.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Life in Paradise on September 28, 2022, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: seicer on September 26, 2022, 02:55:10 PM
US 62 isn't a high-volume route - it's mostly a local route that is mostly unimproved from its iteration. Through traffic to the central part of the state will use US 68. At any rate, it's just a several-minute detour to get on the William Harsha Bridge over the river: https://goo.gl/maps/rP9F6fDKGRYPE4kj9

From what I recall in the local paper at the time, the reason that an interchange wasn't considered for US 62 is because of cost and local concerns about the bypass being further developed.
Also of interest along with this is that the way I'm looking at the map, the bypass around Cynthiana, KY does not include US 62 on the east side, only US27, and it would not have been a long distance to connect US 62 to make a full bypass for that route.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on September 28, 2022, 10:45:04 AM
I made the mistake going from Cynthania to Maysville once. It was not a fun drive.

I live in Georgetown and US 460 to Paris is so narrow I hate driving it.
Luckily they are starting the process to widen 460 a little.

SM-G996U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 28, 2022, 11:46:13 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 28, 2022, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: seicer on September 26, 2022, 02:55:10 PM
US 62 isn't a high-volume route - it's mostly a local route that is mostly unimproved from its iteration. Through traffic to the central part of the state will use US 68. At any rate, it's just a several-minute detour to get on the William Harsha Bridge over the river: https://goo.gl/maps/rP9F6fDKGRYPE4kj9

From what I recall in the local paper at the time, the reason that an interchange wasn't considered for US 62 is because of cost and local concerns about the bypass being further developed.
Also of interest along with this is that the way I'm looking at the map, the bypass around Cynthiana, KY does not include US 62 on the east side, only US27, and it would not have been a long distance to connect US 62 to make a full bypass for that route.

They've tinkered with the routings a bit, but the old route through Cynthiana (to the best of my recollection) is signed as Business 27, with the appropriate concurrencies for KY 32 and KY 36 as needed. At the roundabout, US 62 is routed along US 27 (the bypass) to the north side of town, then makes a right turn to be concurrent with Business 27 for a short distance before turning left to head toward Mt. Olivet and Maysville.

Quote from: ibthebigd on September 28, 2022, 10:45:04 AM
I made the mistake going from Cynthania to Maysville once. It was not a fun drive.

I live in Georgetown and US 460 to Paris is so narrow I hate driving it.
Luckily they are starting the process to widen 460 a little.

SM-G996U



Yes, US 62 between Cynthiana and Maysville is not really a fun drive. I've been on it, but try not to use it unless I have to. And if you think 460 between Georgetown and Paris is bad, keep going past Paris to Mt. Sterling.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on September 28, 2022, 06:25:13 PM
Yes I've made that drive from Paris to Mt Sterling not fun to North Middletown then it's not bad

SM-G996U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 10, 2022, 11:49:57 AM


Spottsville Bridge is a through truss bridge that carries US Route 60 over the Green River in Spottsville, Kentucky. It was originally constructed in 1931 and replaced in 2022. This is a flyover taken just two days before the secondary span was blasted; the main span will be blasted later in October.

➤ Check out our article on this bridge at http://bridgestunnels.com/location/spottsville-bridge/
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: codyg1985 on October 10, 2022, 12:47:03 PM
I love how Kentucky has been building new through truss bridges to replace older spans. It is much better than the boring typical bridges most DOTs use these days.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on October 10, 2022, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 10, 2022, 12:47:03 PM
I love how Kentucky has been building new through truss bridges to replace older spans. It is much better than the boring typical bridges most DOTs use these days.
Wonder if they're forced to through historical preservation.  In NY, that's the only way new trusses are built, I believe.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 11, 2022, 11:26:48 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 10, 2022, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 10, 2022, 12:47:03 PM
I love how Kentucky has been building new through truss bridges to replace older spans. It is much better than the boring typical bridges most DOTs use these days.
Wonder if they're forced to through historical preservation.  In NY, that's the only way new trusses are built, I believe.

I don't know why a new modern-looking truss bridge would be a mollifying factor in tearing down an old truss bridge.

In this instance, I would suspect river navigation might be one reason they opted for a truss. The Green River is fairly wide and is navigable at that point so it's possible that was a factor. The truss allows them to have fewer piers.

A new truss bridge is being built on US 60 across the Cumberland River near its mouth.

The one new truss that I can't understand is the KY 451 Home Lumber Bridge in downtown Hazard. The river is certainly narrow enough there that a truss isn't necessary, but one was built. There may have been local support for a truss since the old bridge there was also a truss.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 11, 2022, 03:56:24 PM
In this case, it was to have two fewer piers in the river - especially in proximity to the lock that's next to the bridge.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 29, 2022, 09:18:13 PM
Just a heads up for anyone in the Shelbyville area: this very old guide sign (https://goo.gl/maps/E8xEwhb6JynyjWbdA) is still hanging on half a year later. It might be worth a pic.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Revive 755 on October 29, 2022, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 11, 2022, 11:26:48 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 10, 2022, 11:59:04 PM
Wonder if they're forced to through historical preservation.  In NY, that's the only way new trusses are built, I believe.

I don't know why a new modern-looking truss bridge would be a mollifying factor in tearing down an old truss bridge.

I think it may have to do with how closely the new bridge resembles the older bridge.   IIRC it was the historical preservation angle that lead to the new superstructure for the WB I-70 Blanchette Bridge at St. Charles MO having a truss.  Streetview of the new truss (https://goo.gl/maps/SaJvDTedctrAHZAt5); the old truss can be seen by switching to 2012 or an earlier year.

Quote from: hbelkins on October 11, 2022, 11:26:48 AMIn this instance, I would suspect river navigation might be one reason they opted for a truss. The Green River is fairly wide and is navigable at that point so it's possible that was a factor. The truss allows them to have fewer piers.

It could also just come down to a preferences of one of the engineers on the project.  A tied arch could work just as well for getting fewer piers.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on November 02, 2022, 03:41:33 AM
When did I 65 in Louisville end up having six lanes on each side instead of 3 or 4 lanes?  I noticed it when I traveled on I 65 recently for the time in about 30 some years.  Normally I take US31 E to Louisville.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 02, 2022, 10:15:28 AM
It was originally built circa 1956 and widened to its present configuration circa 1988 between I-264 and I-265.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 03, 2022, 08:14:23 AM
Quote from: XamotCGC on November 02, 2022, 03:41:33 AM
When did I 65 in Louisville end up having six lanes on each side instead of 3 or 4 lanes?  I noticed it when I traveled on I 65 recently for the time in about 30 some years.  Normally I take US31 E to Louisville.

A new Ohio River bridge (Lincoln Bridge) was built right next to the existing bridge (Kennedy Bridge) and opened in 2015. The new bridge carries 6 lanes northbound. The old bridge carries 6 lanes southbound.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on November 16, 2022, 01:15:32 PM
The two way conversion of Logan and Shelby Streets in the Shelby Park and Smoketown neighborhoods of Louisville will take place in 2023. Both of these streets each serve KY 864 (Logan northbound, Shelby southbound). Looking at the striping and signing plans it appears KY 864 will be fully on Logan Street/Campbell Streets post construction.

https://louisvilleky.gov/government/advanced-planning-and-sustainability/logan-street-shelby-street-two-way-conversion
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on November 27, 2022, 04:35:49 PM
Are there currently any plans to extend the Cumberland Parkway east to I-75 in London?  Right now it terminates at US 27 with a partial cloverleaf with an unused bridge.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 27, 2022, 05:30:19 PM
Yes - work is underway on a new interchange with KY 80 and KY 461 further east, which will have a stub for future I-66 to continue westward to Somserset: https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict8/posts/ky-461-interchange-improvement-project-in-pulaski-county-to-begin-next-weeknext-/3738302329548499/ (as far as I know, the new four-lane between Somerset and KY 461 is still set to be future I-66, not the Cumberland Parkway).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: skluth on November 27, 2022, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: seicer on November 27, 2022, 05:30:19 PM
Yes - work is underway on a new interchange with KY 80 and KY 461 further east, which will have a stub for future I-66 to continue westward to Somserset: https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict8/posts/ky-461-interchange-improvement-project-in-pulaski-county-to-begin-next-weeknext-/3738302329548499/ (as far as I know, the new four-lane between Somerset and KY 461 is still set to be future I-66, not the Cumberland Parkway).
I thought I-66 was cancelled other than the current Virginia/DC highway.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on November 27, 2022, 06:39:50 PM
Quote from: skluth on November 27, 2022, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: seicer on November 27, 2022, 05:30:19 PM
Yes - work is underway on a new interchange with KY 80 and KY 461 further east, which will have a stub for future I-66 to continue westward to Somserset: https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict8/posts/ky-461-interchange-improvement-project-in-pulaski-county-to-begin-next-weeknext-/3738302329548499/ (as far as I know, the new four-lane between Somerset and KY 461 is still set to be future I-66, not the Cumberland Parkway).
I thought I-66 was cancelled other than the current Virginia/DC highway.
Eh, I think the proposal will just linger.  Proposals never die.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: KentuckyParkways on November 30, 2022, 12:40:32 AM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on November 27, 2022, 04:35:49 PM
Are there currently any plans to extend the Cumberland Parkway east to I-75 in London?  Right now it terminates at US 27 with a partial cloverleaf with an unused bridge.

As of 2018 there were still plans according to local Congressman Hal Rogers.
https://www.somerset-kentucky.com/news/i-66-on-the-road-to-nowhere-rep-for-rogers-says-no-evidence-project-has/article_6d1d77e6-f366-11e8-9ed2-67d33dab2801.html
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on November 30, 2022, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: seicer on November 27, 2022, 05:30:19 PM
Yes - work is underway on a new interchange with KY 80 and KY 461 further east, which will have a stub for future I-66 to continue westward to Somserset: https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict8/posts/ky-461-interchange-improvement-project-in-pulaski-county-to-begin-next-weeknext-/3738302329548499/ (as far as I know, the new four-lane between Somerset and KY 461 is still set to be future I-66, not the Cumberland Parkway).

The Cumberland Parkway Expressway is set to become a 3di child of I-65, although I don't know if the x65 designation will end at US 27 or continue on to the KY 80/KY 461 interchange.

Quote from: Rothman on November 27, 2022, 06:39:50 PM
Quote from: skluth on November 27, 2022, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: seicer on November 27, 2022, 05:30:19 PM
Yes - work is underway on a new interchange with KY 80 and KY 461 further east, which will have a stub for future I-66 to continue westward to Somserset: https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict8/posts/ky-461-interchange-improvement-project-in-pulaski-county-to-begin-next-weeknext-/3738302329548499/ (as far as I know, the new four-lane between Somerset and KY 461 is still set to be future I-66, not the Cumberland Parkway).
I thought I-66 was cancelled other than the current Virginia/DC highway.
Eh, I think the proposal will just linger.  Proposals never die.

There are actually still references to I-66 in Kentucky's highway plans, mostly for upgrades to the Hal Rogers Parkway between London and Hazard. I don't know if there are any lingering proposals for a new-terrain route from Hazard past Pikeville to the state line or not (although one former Kentucky legislator floated a silly idea before he got voted out of office to extend the Mountain Parkway to Beckley, WV).

I think a new four-lane freeway between Somerset and London is dead, however, due to the environmental factors. And quite honestly, it's not needed. Existing KY 80 -- a mix of expressway and a surface "super-2" mileage -- moves traffic just fine. I've never seen it crowded, congested, or not free-flowing.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 01, 2022, 09:33:01 AM
If anything, KY 461 is experiencing poor levels of service between KY 80 and Mt. Vernon and the portion around Mt. Vernon will be upgraded to four or five lanes. IMO, that's never been a solid roadway design because of its steep grades, lack of passing lanes on hills, and intersection placement.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 01, 2022, 07:12:53 PM
Quote from: seicer on December 01, 2022, 09:33:01 AM
If anything, KY 461 is experiencing poor levels of service between KY 80 and Mt. Vernon and the portion around Mt. Vernon will be upgraded to four or five lanes. IMO, that's never been a solid roadway design because of its steep grades, lack of passing lanes on hills, and intersection placement.

You should have driven it before the new alignment was completed. I was on it a few times 25-30 years ago and the existing alignment is way better than the old road.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on December 06, 2022, 10:42:40 AM
A few old pictures, including a pic of the Slade Toll Plaza on the Mountain Pkwy, has been posted on the Freewayjim FB page by one of its members.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 06, 2022, 10:52:58 AM
That's me  :sombrero:

This is a direct link to the =AZWBx6x-ml_kSP8E3F3x-G9dRLA6QlUgLruUPKB5Q7kJ6zNSV3EvacPSscqpZK2htuFGB05qxJ2cw_-vPdOHi57_f06HIu16qHtf2-WrSja14eeBfkD80CDLs0HwaGSl9OVv6ZjOgyLOzWHTaxYXmTZd&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R]image gallery (https://www.facebook.com/groups/96206174878/posts/10161381603964879/?__cft__%5B0). I find it cumbersome to share images on here directly (notably, there isn't a good way to do that).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 06, 2022, 12:46:36 PM
Some notes on those pictures:

I threw many a quarter into the westbound on-ramp and eastbound off-ramp at the Slade exit, both as a back-seat passenger as a child and as a driver from 1979 until the tolls were removed in 1985.

When the tolls were removed and the interchange was converted to a diamond, the decision on what to number the parkways was in flux. The Mountain Parkway was originally numbered KY 114 (an extension of the numbering of the route from Prestonsburg west to Salyersville) and then KY 402, but neither number was ever posted except ... contractors posted KY 402 signage at that exit when it was rebuilt, and the signs were up only briefly before they were changed to the old-style round Mountain Parkway logo signs. i regret to this day not getting pictures of the KY 402 signs.

The interchange construction was completed in 1988. In 2001 or 2002, I was the editor of the newspaper in Powell County. We had a story about some leftover dynamite that was used to blast the on-ramp from KY 11 to the eastbound Mountain Parkway being found there. Making the story more interesting was the fact that the Powell County highway department superintendent who got called out after hours to the discovery was charged with DUI in his state vehicle. The PIO for the highway district at the time was my cousin. Thankfully I haven't had to deal with anything like that during my tenure as PIO.

As for the US 27/68 signage, that unknown shield says "Formerly Exit 17." For years, the only exit numbers posted on I-75 in Kentucky were sequentially-numbered exits for KY 418 (Exit 15), US 60 (Exit 16), US 27/68 (Exit 17), and KY 922 (Exit 18). There was no exit number for I-64 east since it wasn't considered a Lexington exit. When Kentucky adopted mileage-based exit numbers and posted them at all interchanges, the Lexington exits briefly had "Formerly..." signs to denote the old exit numbers.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on December 06, 2022, 12:47:46 PM
Quote from: seicer on December 06, 2022, 10:52:58 AM
That's me  :sombrero:

This is a direct link to the =AZWBx6x-ml_kSP8E3F3x-G9dRLA6QlUgLruUPKB5Q7kJ6zNSV3EvacPSscqpZK2htuFGB05qxJ2cw_-vPdOHi57_f06HIu16qHtf2-WrSja14eeBfkD80CDLs0HwaGSl9OVv6ZjOgyLOzWHTaxYXmTZd&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R]image gallery (https://www.facebook.com/groups/96206174878/posts/10161381603964879/?__cft__%5B0). I find it cumbersome to share images on here directly (notably, there isn't a good way to do that).

Thanks for those!

I usually use Tapatalk to post pics (mobile)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on December 06, 2022, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 06, 2022, 12:46:36 PM

As for the US 27/68 signage, that unknown shield says "Formerly Exit 17." For years, the only exit numbers posted on I-75 in Kentucky were sequentially-numbered exits for KY 418 (Exit 15), US 60 (Exit 16), US 27/68 (Exit 17), and KY 922 (Exit 18). There was no exit number for I-64 east since it wasn't considered a Lexington exit. When Kentucky adopted mileage-based exit numbers and posted them at all interchanges, the Lexington exits briefly had "Formerly..." signs to denote the old exit numbers.

That is very interesting. That's the first time I've heard of former exit numbers being posted in a shield like that.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 06, 2022, 05:42:14 PM
With those exit numbers - the unposted numbers going south would have probably corresponded to all of the exits that were originally built?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on December 06, 2022, 08:28:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 06, 2022, 12:46:36 PM


As for the US 27/68 signage, that unknown shield says "Formerly Exit 17." For years, the only exit numbers posted on I-75 in Kentucky were sequentially-numbered exits for KY 418 (Exit 15), US 60 (Exit 16), US 27/68 (Exit 17), and KY 922 (Exit 18). There was no exit number for I-64 east since it wasn't considered a Lexington exit. When Kentucky adopted mileage-based exit numbers and posted them at all interchanges, the Lexington exits briefly had "Formerly..." signs to denote the old exit numbers.

I got into a debate with a friend that is a highway engineer about sequential vs. mileage-based exit numbering in that he said that mileage-based is still sequential because mileage exits are still in a sequence -- just a sequence with gaps.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 07, 2022, 03:39:07 AM
Quote from: seicer on December 06, 2022, 10:52:58 AM
That's me  :sombrero:

This is a direct link to the =AZWBx6x-ml_kSP8E3F3x-G9dRLA6QlUgLruUPKB5Q7kJ6zNSV3EvacPSscqpZK2htuFGB05qxJ2cw_-vPdOHi57_f06HIu16qHtf2-WrSja14eeBfkD80CDLs0HwaGSl9OVv6ZjOgyLOzWHTaxYXmTZd&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R]image gallery (https://www.facebook.com/groups/96206174878/posts/10161381603964879/?__cft__%5B0). I find it cumbersome to share images on here directly (notably, there isn't a good way to do that).

Here's a Tiny URL to it, as the URL is broken due to several '[]' inside of it, causing it to break the URL coding.
https://tinyurl.com/mr2pxt4t

Anyways, you could always try to upload the images to https://imgur.com/ to post here.  That's what I do if needed.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on December 07, 2022, 06:44:48 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on December 06, 2022, 08:28:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 06, 2022, 12:46:36 PM


As for the US 27/68 signage, that unknown shield says "Formerly Exit 17." For years, the only exit numbers posted on I-75 in Kentucky were sequentially-numbered exits for KY 418 (Exit 15), US 60 (Exit 16), US 27/68 (Exit 17), and KY 922 (Exit 18). There was no exit number for I-64 east since it wasn't considered a Lexington exit. When Kentucky adopted mileage-based exit numbers and posted them at all interchanges, the Lexington exits briefly had "Formerly..." signs to denote the old exit numbers.

I got into a debate with a friend that is a highway engineer about sequential vs. mileage-based exit numbering in that he said that mileage-based is still sequential because mileage exits are still in a sequence -- just a sequence with gaps.
Proof that not all engineers are made equal.

The stronger argument against mileage-based around here is the proliferation of GPS, which I still don't agree with.  Personally, I think GPS/phone navigation is an eye magnet that draws attention from the road.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 07, 2022, 01:31:07 PM
Quote from: plain on December 06, 2022, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 06, 2022, 12:46:36 PM

As for the US 27/68 signage, that unknown shield says "Formerly Exit 17." For years, the only exit numbers posted on I-75 in Kentucky were sequentially-numbered exits for KY 418 (Exit 15), US 60 (Exit 16), US 27/68 (Exit 17), and KY 922 (Exit 18). There was no exit number for I-64 east since it wasn't considered a Lexington exit. When Kentucky adopted mileage-based exit numbers and posted them at all interchanges, the Lexington exits briefly had "Formerly..." signs to denote the old exit numbers.

That is very interesting. That's the first time I've heard of former exit numbers being posted in a shield like that.

I remember the old exit numbers being posted, but had forgotten exactly how they were posted. Since Kentucky uses demountable route markers and copy on guide signs, it was easy to put that indicator up on the sign and move the US 27 and US 68 markers to accommodate it.

Quote from: seicer on December 06, 2022, 05:42:14 PM
With those exit numbers - the unposted numbers going south would have probably corresponded to all of the exits that were originally built?

Yes, but I think one of the exits was a later addition.

Going from south to north from Exit 15 (KY 418), the old exits I remember are:

US 25/421 north Clays Ferry
US 25/421 south Clays Ferry
US 227 Boonesborough/Winchester (now KY 627)
US 25/421 Richmond
KY 876 Richmond
KY 21 Berea
US 25 Mt. Vernon/Renfro Valley
US 25 Mt. Vernon/Livingston
KY 909 Livingston
KY 80 London
KY 192 London
US 25E Corbin
US 25W Corbin
US 25W Williamsburg
KY 92 Williamsburg

Only problem is, that's 15 exits right there. So one of the exits was added later after the Lexington sequential exits were established (and remember that I-64 didn't have an exit number).

My guess for the added exit that threw the sequence out of whack is the KY 909 Livingston exit. That road leading down to US 25 is of more modern construction than most in the area.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 07, 2022, 02:53:15 PM
The NBI has 1970 as the build date for the bridge that carries KY 909 over I-75.

I'm actually curious if there was a larger vision for KY 909. If you follow it west, it becomes a forest road and then ends at a ford over the Rockcastle. There are no project plans up at KYTC.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 08, 2022, 11:52:12 AM
Quote from: seicer on December 07, 2022, 02:53:15 PM
The NBI has 1970 as the build date for the bridge that carries KY 909 over I-75.

I'm actually curious if there was a larger vision for KY 909. If you follow it west, it becomes a forest road and then ends at a ford over the Rockcastle. There are no project plans up at KYTC.

There's a historic 1968 map online at the KYTC site, and it shows most of I-75 between Conway (where a temporary connector to US 25 is shown on the map and I remember seeing that piece of pavement during numerous trips from Irvine to London back in the late 80s-early 90s) and Corbin. All of the exits are shown for the under-construction segments except KY 909.

The only segment of I-75 that was open between Conway and the US 25W exit at Corbin was the segment between the two Mt. Vernon exits.

The 1973 map (the next one available online) shows the KY 909 exit.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on December 18, 2022, 04:15:51 PM
Has anyone ever tried to come up with a more efficient numbering system for Kentucky state highways? It might be hard to come up with anything better, just because of the nature of the system, but I know I tried coming up with a basic framework for it once.

Supposedly, they were originally numbered so odd numbers increased to the west, and even numbers increased to the south. But doesn't this mean KY 8 should be KY 2?

I've thought more about changes to individual routes. For example, it's easy to see how KY 1632 can be made part of KY 445.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on December 18, 2022, 04:32:20 PM
Given that KY's state highway system is constantly changing (seemingly), what they've got going is just as good as any other state with a whole lot of state highway mileage and a long history behind it to boot.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: MultiMillionMiler on December 18, 2022, 05:44:32 PM
Anyone know why they numbered 620 the way they did?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 18, 2022, 06:31:55 PM
Kentucky's grid generally works for the two-digit routes, although there are exceptions. At this point it would probably be cost-prohibitive and confusing to do a vast renumbering.

One thing that a person might note is that there are clusters of consecutive four-digit route numbers in the 3000-series in many counties. This happened when the state took over a number of routes that had previously been under county ownership in the 1980s.

I still haven't found a good comprehensive list of all the Kentucky state highways.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on December 18, 2022, 06:36:44 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 18, 2022, 06:31:55 PM
Kentucky's grid generally works for the two-digit routes, although there are exceptions. At this point it would probably be cost-prohibitive and confusing to do a vast renumbering.

One thing that a person might note is that there are clusters of consecutive four-digit route numbers in the 3000-series in many counties. This happened when the state took over a number of routes that had previously been under county ownership in the 1980s.

I still haven't found a good comprehensive list of all the Kentucky state highways.

What I do now is download the shapefile and look at it as a map using QGIS. This is what I use for my log and any other projects I have.

I wrote up a program using FreeBASIC that sorts through the shapefile and compiles the log, so this is really like a list.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 18, 2022, 10:14:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 18, 2022, 05:44:32 PM
Anyone know why they numbered 620 the way they did?

My guess would be because it branches off of US 62. Sort of the same thing was done here in Daviess County with the old stretch of the US 60 bypass which became KY 603. I was actually surprised that one didn't get a 4-digit number, since Frederica Street did (KY 2831) when US 431 was pulled back to 60.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on December 18, 2022, 10:17:36 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 18, 2022, 10:14:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 18, 2022, 05:44:32 PM
Anyone know why they numbered 620 the way they did?

My guess would be because it branches off of US 62. Sort of the same thing was done here in Daviess County with the old stretch of the US 60 bypass which became KY 603. I was actually surprised that one didn't get a 4-digit number, since Frederica Street did (KY 2831) when US 431 was pulled back to 60.

I think the ones higher than 100 are usually sequential, with some exceptions.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: MultiMillionMiler on December 19, 2022, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 18, 2022, 10:14:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 18, 2022, 05:44:32 PM
Anyone know why they numbered 620 the way they did?

My guess would be because it branches off of US 62. Sort of the same thing was done here in Daviess County with the old stretch of the US 60 bypass which became KY 603. I was actually surprised that one didn't get a 4-digit number, since Frederica Street did (KY 2831) when US 431 was pulled back to 60.

Is that why it has that spiral shape?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: amroad17 on December 20, 2022, 12:51:08 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 19, 2022, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 18, 2022, 10:14:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 18, 2022, 05:44:32 PM
Anyone know why they numbered 620 the way they did?

My guess would be because it branches off of US 62. Sort of the same thing was done here in Daviess County with the old stretch of the US 60 bypass which became KY 603. I was actually surprised that one didn't get a 4-digit number, since Frederica Street did (KY 2831) when US 431 was pulled back to 60.

Is that why it has that spiral shape?
My guess is that KY 620 just kept being added to existing roads that fell under the KYTC jurisdiction north of Georgetown and ended as the spiral shape we see now.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 20, 2022, 09:48:59 AM
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on December 20, 2022, 10:04:14 AM
KY 1120 is kind of like KY 620 in that it has a weird shape. It appears to have started out less weird, but parts kept being added to it.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 20, 2022, 10:15:01 AM
KY 244 now has a spiral... but it's minor  :-D

https://goo.gl/maps/CtsWg77viAiUTNJv9
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on December 20, 2022, 10:33:26 AM
Since we're on the topic of KY 1120, does anyone know any details about it? I should be the expert on it, since I live close to it, but I don't know any more exact details.

It looks like it may have been established in the 1950s when Memorial Parkway was built, partly along what had been called Electric Avenue. It appears to have included East 10th in Newport and most of Memorial Parkway into Fort Thomas where it ended at some unnumbered streets. By 1961, it appears to have been extended south along Fort Thomas Avenue to US 27.

I don't think it was extended west to Covington until the 1970s. I remember seeing maps that didn't show that part, and then at some point, maps began showing it. We rarely used that stretch after I-275 was built across the Licking River around 1977, so I don't remember what the signage said. I do remember that what became KY 1120 had a toll bridge, and I remember when I was about 3 or 4, we kept driving across it to go to the cathedral in Covington for something. I wasn't on that bridge very much again until the early 1990s when I was in high school and the school bus kept using it. By that time, it was no longer toll, and it had long since become KY 1120.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 22, 2022, 04:26:59 PM
Future I-569 corridor signs will be installed along the Western Kentucky Parkway from I-69 near Madisonville to I-165 near Beaver Dam: https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict2/posts/pfbid09xh8J3wvsyAtovnazf7osS14vgbjK55vfKFvmHPCaRsEvArv8XhJKGarNAmYvRZGl

- Related, the Western Kentucky Parkway Interstate Upgrade Study: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Pages/Project-Details.aspx?Project=Western%20Kentucky%20Parkway%20Interstate%20Upgrade%20Study
- The full press release can be found at https://transportation.ky.gov/NewsRoom/I-569%20Signs%20Unveiled.pdf, or below:

New Highway Signs Mark 38-Mile Section of WK Parkway as "˜Future I-569'
Signs signal Beshear administration's commitment to economic development; corridor spans Hopkins, Muhlenberg, Ohio counties

FRANKFORT, Ky. (Dec. 21, 2022) — New highway signs marking a "Future I-569 Corridor"  on a threecounty section of the Wendell Ford Western Kentucky Parkway were unveiled today, signaling continued growth and Gov. Andy Beshear's commitment to economic development in all regions of the Commonwealth.

At the request of the Beshear administration, the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) earlier this month approved the placement of signs on a 38.4-mile-long section of the Western Kentucky Parkway in Hopkins, Muhlenberg and Ohio counties. The designated area begins in the west at the parkway's intersection with Interstate 69 south of Madisonville and continues east to its intersection with I-165 near Beaver Dam.

"Kentucky is on the move and looking to the future,"  Gov. Beshear said. "By securing federal approval for signs that mark the Western Kentucky Parkway as a future interstate, we're sending the message that Team Kentucky wholeheartedly supports Kentucky's business community."

Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC) Secretary Jim Gray, who represented Gov. Beshear at an unveiling ceremony today, said the value of the Future I-569 Corridor signs is as much practical as it is symbolic.

"In this age of modern logistics and commerce, the importance of proximity to an interstate highway cannot be overstated,"  Secretary Gray said. "These signs send a very clear message to existing and prospective businesses and industries that are deciding where to locate and expand."

Today, four "Future I-569 Corridor"  signs will be installed- two in each direction of the Western Kentucky Parkway.

"This isn't just about about a road; it is also about a shift in our mindset,"  Rep. Melinda Gibbons Prunty said. "We're here to celebrate our future and ready to take advantage of new economic opportunities  for our area to help the communities along this corridor reach their potential. Good things can happen when so many individuals on the state, local, and federal levels come together to make entire projects like this possible. I appreciate each and everyone's commitment and efforts."  

"This recognition provides us even more economic opportunities as it validates our region as a logistics and distribution corridor,"  Ray Hagerman, Executive Director, Muhlenberg Alliance for Progress said.

Congress in 2019 granted the Future I-569 designation to the Hopkins-Muhlenberg-Ohio section of the Western Kentucky Parkway, and KYTC launched a study to determine the improvements needed to bring it up to interstate highway standards. The parkway was already a four-lane, controlled access highway. But like Kentucky's other parkways, it was built as a toll road, with cloverleaf interchanges to accommodate a toll booth plaza instead of the diamond interchanges and extended ramps better suited for an interstate. The Western Kentucky Parkway Upgrade Study concluded that the necessary upgrades and spot safety improvements would cost about $30 million. The largest single project would be the reconstruction of the cloverleaf interchange at Central City. The interchange project appears in the 2022 Enacted Highway Plan. Part of the Western Kentucky Parkway, from its interchange with the Pennyrile Parkway near Mortons Gap to its interchange with I-24 near Eddyville was previously upgraded and today is designated I-69. So, too, is the Pennyrile Parkway from Mortons Gap north to Henderson and the Purchase Parkway from I-24 to Mayfield. In addition, the one-time Natcher Parkway from Owensboro to Bowling Green is now I-165. Construction for the two-year project will begin in the spring to upgrade the remainder of the Purchase Parkway, from Mayfield to Fulton, so that it, too, can become part of I-69.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on December 22, 2022, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: seicer on December 22, 2022, 04:26:59 PM
Future I-569 corridor signs will be installed along the Western Kentucky Parkway from I-69 near Madisonville to I-165 near Beaver Dam: https://www.facebook.com/KYTCDistrict2/posts/pfbid09xh8J3wvsyAtovnazf7osS14vgbjK55vfKFvmHPCaRsEvArv8XhJKGarNAmYvRZGl

- Related, the Western Kentucky Parkway Interstate Upgrade Study: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Pages/Project-Details.aspx?Project=Western%20Kentucky%20Parkway%20Interstate%20Upgrade%20Study
- The full press release can be found at https://transportation.ky.gov/NewsRoom/I-569%20Signs%20Unveiled.pdf, or below:

New Highway Signs Mark 38-Mile Section of WK Parkway as "˜Future I-569'
Signs signal Beshear administration's commitment to economic development; corridor spans Hopkins, Muhlenberg, Ohio counties

FRANKFORT, Ky. (Dec. 21, 2022) — New highway signs marking a "Future I-569 Corridor"  on a threecounty section of the Wendell Ford Western Kentucky Parkway were unveiled today, signaling continued growth and Gov. Andy Beshear's commitment to economic development in all regions of the Commonwealth.

At the request of the Beshear administration, the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) earlier this month approved the placement of signs on a 38.4-mile-long section of the Western Kentucky Parkway in Hopkins, Muhlenberg and Ohio counties. The designated area begins in the west at the parkway's intersection with Interstate 69 south of Madisonville and continues east to its intersection with I-165 near Beaver Dam.

"Kentucky is on the move and looking to the future,"  Gov. Beshear said. "By securing federal approval for signs that mark the Western Kentucky Parkway as a future interstate, we're sending the message that Team Kentucky wholeheartedly supports Kentucky's business community."

Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC) Secretary Jim Gray, who represented Gov. Beshear at an unveiling ceremony today, said the value of the Future I-569 Corridor signs is as much practical as it is symbolic.

"In this age of modern logistics and commerce, the importance of proximity to an interstate highway cannot be overstated,"  Secretary Gray said. "These signs send a very clear message to existing and prospective businesses and industries that are deciding where to locate and expand."

Today, four "Future I-569 Corridor"  signs will be installed- two in each direction of the Western Kentucky Parkway.

"This isn't just about about a road; it is also about a shift in our mindset,"  Rep. Melinda Gibbons Prunty said. "We're here to celebrate our future and ready to take advantage of new economic opportunities  for our area to help the communities along this corridor reach their potential. Good things can happen when so many individuals on the state, local, and federal levels come together to make entire projects like this possible. I appreciate each and everyone's commitment and efforts."  

"This recognition provides us even more economic opportunities as it validates our region as a logistics and distribution corridor,"  Ray Hagerman, Executive Director, Muhlenberg Alliance for Progress said.

Congress in 2019 granted the Future I-569 designation to the Hopkins-Muhlenberg-Ohio section of the Western Kentucky Parkway, and KYTC launched a study to determine the improvements needed to bring it up to interstate highway standards. The parkway was already a four-lane, controlled access highway. But like Kentucky's other parkways, it was built as a toll road, with cloverleaf interchanges to accommodate a toll booth plaza instead of the diamond interchanges and extended ramps better suited for an interstate. The Western Kentucky Parkway Upgrade Study concluded that the necessary upgrades and spot safety improvements would cost about $30 million. The largest single project would be the reconstruction of the cloverleaf interchange at Central City. The interchange project appears in the 2022 Enacted Highway Plan. Part of the Western Kentucky Parkway, from its interchange with the Pennyrile Parkway near Mortons Gap to its interchange with I-24 near Eddyville was previously upgraded and today is designated I-69. So, too, is the Pennyrile Parkway from Mortons Gap north to Henderson and the Purchase Parkway from I-24 to Mayfield. In addition, the one-time Natcher Parkway from Owensboro to Bowling Green is now I-165. Construction for the two-year project will begin in the spring to upgrade the remainder of the Purchase Parkway, from Mayfield to Fulton, so that it, too, can become part of I-69.

I am curious if KYTC has plans to extend I-569 eastwards toward Elizabethtown to cover the rest of Western Kentucky Parkway...
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on December 22, 2022, 05:03:52 PM
Does Kentucky allow Interstate numbers to be duplicated on state routes now? There's still a KY 69 and a KY 165.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 22, 2022, 10:42:36 PM
Maybe Interstate 569 will be designated with an eastern terminus at Interstate 165 initially, and then the 569 designation will be extended to Interstate 65 at a much later date. Personally, i think future 569 should have been designated from Interstate 69/future Interstate 169 all the way to Interstate 65 in the first place, but maybe it would have cost too much to upgrade both the 69/169-to-165 and the 165-to-65 segments to Interstate Standards altogether.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on December 23, 2022, 12:05:21 AM
The county I from in Kentucky has 7 4 Digit Numbered roads
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 23, 2022, 06:40:33 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 22, 2022, 10:42:36 PM
Maybe Interstate 569 will be designated with an eastern terminus at Interstate 165 initially, and then the 569 designation will be extended to Interstate 65 at a much later date. Personally, i think future 569 should have been designated from Interstate 69/future Interstate 169 all the way to Interstate 65 in the first place, but maybe it would have cost too much to upgrade both the 69/169-to-165 and the 165-to-65 segments to Interstate Standards altogether.

I'm not sure what upgrades are needed between the Natcher and E-town. The biggest upgrade on the segment between the Pennyrile and the Natcher (this future I-569) is the toll booth cloverleaf at US 431/KY 70. The old toll booth cloverleaf at Leitchfield has already been converted to a diamond.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: amroad17 on December 24, 2022, 01:48:33 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on December 22, 2022, 05:03:52 PM
Does Kentucky allow Interstate numbers to be duplicated on state routes now? There's still a KY 69 and a KY 165.
There is also a KY 169 (Versailles to Richmond) and a KY 569 (Hart Co.-Taylor Co.).  Of course, all these were commissioned before any thoughts of I-69 (and any I-x69's) and I-165.  Maybe these state routes will be changed in the future.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: amroad17 on December 24, 2022, 02:15:36 AM
I received an alert on my phone around 10 pm Friday evening with the message that I-71 NB at the 62 mm (near the Glencoe, KY interchange) was impassable and is closed for 12-18 hours.  Apparently, KYTC or Gallatin County have been unable to properly plow in that area.  There is a decent hill NB just past the interchange and vehicles, especially tractor-trailers, cannot negotiate the downhill portion.  SB I-71 is moving slowly, which to me is surprising since the same hill has to be negotiated also.

This after an accident late Thursday night at mm 63, at the base of the hill, that closed all lanes of I-71.  The SB backup was all the way back to the Verona interchange (9 miles back)--not sure about the NB backup.  Vehicles near the accident site were there for 12 hours and many of the tractor-trailers that were waiting had their brake lines freeze.

Temperature dropped from 43F at 9 pm Thursday to 7F by 1:30 am Friday.  The low here in Covington was -8F at 7 am.  It never got above 3F Friday with most of the day at 0F with 20 mph winds from the west.

Here is the view on I-71 NB just past the Glencoe interchange: https://goo.gl/maps/ggooFynZvs1DkZP8A
Here is a view looking back toward the Glencoe interchange: https://goo.gl/maps/AHwQDv7ADeFNjWCE8

This is the area of "impassability".  Once reaching the base of the hill, one would drive about 1/2 mile before ascending another hill NB.  So, I-71, especially NB, is a huge mess and should be avoided at least until late Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on December 24, 2022, 06:56:26 AM
I wonder if they will try to 3 Lane this stretch after this mess.

That's what they did in Mt Vernon area after a similar situation.

SM-G996U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 24, 2022, 04:11:45 PM
Widening is dictated generally by traffic counts, not occasional snowfalls and an accident that is exaggerated by vehicles driving on the shoulder and going off the edge of the highway. The roadway, from what I've read, froze very quickly because of wet roadways, quick snow bursts, and rapidly dropping temperatures, and no amount of widening would have resolved the fundamentals.

Related, why did so many receive the government notice? I had all of my alerts turned off on my phone yet I received one - at around 10:30 PM - despite living 2.5 hours east. My friend in Pikeville also received one at a different time. What a good way to get people to ignore these alerts than by sending them out to everyone?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 24, 2022, 06:12:57 PM
Quote from: seicer on December 24, 2022, 04:11:45 PM
Widening is dictated generally by traffic counts, not occasional snowfalls and an accident that is exaggerated by vehicles driving on the shoulder and going off the edge of the highway. The roadway, from what I've read, froze very quickly because of wet roadways, quick snow bursts, and rapidly dropping temperatures, and no amount of widening would have resolved the fundamentals.

Related, why did so many receive the government notice? I had all of my alerts turned off on my phone yet I received one - at around 10:30 PM - despite living 2.5 hours east. My friend in Pikeville also received one at a different time. What a good way to get people to ignore these alerts than by sending them out to everyone?

The alerts went off in my area as well (I have them disabled on my phone so I didn't get them). Kentucky Emergency Management tried to explain why they sent the alerts statewide today via social media posts.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 25, 2022, 09:57:27 AM
I saw that - it wasn't even an apology, and people are seemingly fine with getting woken up at 3 AM (some were receiving them in the middle of the night) with alerts that don't even pertain to them.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 27, 2022, 10:31:24 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 23, 2022, 06:40:33 PM
I'm not sure what upgrades are needed between the Natcher and E-town. The biggest upgrade on the segment between the Pennyrile and the Natcher (this future I-569) is the toll booth cloverleaf at US 431/KY 70. The old toll booth cloverleaf at Leitchfield has already been converted to a diamond.

Though they didn't bother upgrading all of the old tollbooth clovers before signing I-165.  Still a couple of those lingering even though 165 has been posted for years.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on December 27, 2022, 10:40:24 AM
I know we're running out of 2-digit numbers, but I still think I-58 might be suitable for the Western Kentucky and Bluegrass parkways. It could have included the Purchase and I-155 into Missouri too. This makes more sense than the I-69 stuff does.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 27, 2022, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on December 27, 2022, 10:40:24 AM
I know we're running out of 2-digit numbers, but I still think I-58 might be suitable for the Western Kentucky and Bluegrass parkways. It could have included the Purchase and I-155 into Missouri too. This makes more sense than the I-69 stuff does.

I'm still rooting for extending I-71 down 65 and the WKP to 69, then south to Hopkinsville. If you look at a map of 71, all the way from Louisville to Cleveland, such an extension fits the diagonal path.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 27, 2022, 01:42:59 PM
If Kentucky wanted the WKP to be an extension of Interstate 71, they would have proposed that number instead of 569. As for making it Interstate 58, I could support that on one condition: that both the Western Kentucky Parkway and the Bluegrass Parkway be made part of 58.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 04, 2023, 09:12:57 PM
I had the opportunity to speak with NPR member station WBUR Here & Now about the Brent Spence Bridge, with the audio available at https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2023/01/04/brent-spence-bridge-kentucky. Some of my interview was snipped for time, including the bipartisan nature of this project (which is similar to the Ohio River Bridges Project) and the factions that opposed it in part or whole. I updated http://bridgestunnels.com/location/brent-spence-bridge/ with new project information and added http://bridgestunnels.com/2023/01/04/compansion-crossing-of-the-brent-spence-bridge-gets-major-funding-boost/ as a companion article for today.

(Crossposting to the Ohio forum.)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jrStudios on January 15, 2023, 04:03:49 PM
GOOD NEWS: Kentucky has a whole archive of highway plans. They can be located here:
https://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Pages/Historic-SYP-Highway-Plans.aspx

Also, they are going to potentially widen the Gene Snyder down to Bardstown Road around in 2024 to 2026.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: milbfan on January 29, 2023, 12:21:42 PM
Curiosity/not complaint:

What are the projections on how long it will take to reconstruct KY 805 near Fleming-Neon?  Traveled on it last week and looks like a big job ahead of them.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 29, 2023, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: milbfan on January 29, 2023, 12:21:42 PM
Curiosity/not complaint:

What are the projections on how long it will take to reconstruct KY 805 near Fleming-Neon?  Traveled on it last week and looks like a big job ahead of them.

Flood damage?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: milbfan on February 04, 2023, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 29, 2023, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: milbfan on January 29, 2023, 12:21:42 PM
Curiosity/not complaint:

What are the projections on how long it will take to reconstruct KY 805 near Fleming-Neon?  Traveled on it last week and looks like a big job ahead of them.

Flood damage?

Aye, sir.  Traveled on it before, with part of a lane washed away.  This time they were redirecting traffic onto a skinny road to get around it.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 04, 2023, 10:34:52 PM
Quote from: milbfan on February 04, 2023, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 29, 2023, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: milbfan on January 29, 2023, 12:21:42 PM
Curiosity/not complaint:

What are the projections on how long it will take to reconstruct KY 805 near Fleming-Neon?  Traveled on it last week and looks like a big job ahead of them.

Flood damage?

Aye, sir.  Traveled on it before, with part of a lane washed away.  This time they were redirecting traffic onto a skinny road to get around it.

They'll be fixing damage from the July 2022 flooding this time next year.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on February 21, 2023, 09:47:08 PM
It is my sad duty to inform the readers of this forum that the two remaining first-generation Mountain Parkway route markers (circular signs with the arched Bert T. Combs notation installed separately) have been removed from downtown Salyersville.

To my knowledge, this leaves only one of those old-style markers remaining, at the intersection of Main Street and KY 11/KY 52 in Beattyville, and one second-generation (old logo in a white square sign) on KY 627 US 60 at the intersection of Maple Street and West Lexington Avenue in Winchester.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on February 22, 2023, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 21, 2023, 09:47:08 PM
It is my sad duty to inform the readers of this forum that the two remaining first-generation Mountain Parkway route markers (circular signs with the arched Bert T. Combs notation installed separately) have been removed from downtown Salyersville.

To my knowledge, this leaves only one of those old-style markers remaining, at the intersection of Main Street and KY 11/KY 52 in Beattyville, and one second-generation (old logo in a white square sign) on KY 627 at the intersection of Maple Street and West Lexington Avenue in Winchester.
On my way...
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 28, 2023, 11:22:12 AM
Detailed plans for the Mountain Parkway expansion to Prestonsburg are now available at https://mtnparkway.com/magoffin-floyd-section/
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on February 28, 2023, 01:25:23 PM
Good stuff.

I had a feeling they were going to go for a new alignment. It's definitely going to be costly. Will it be tolled?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 28, 2023, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: plain on February 28, 2023, 01:25:23 PM
Good stuff.

I had a feeling they were going to go for a new alignment. It's definitely going to be costly. Will it be tolled?
Since KY doesn't have any toll roads currently (outside of the bridges around Louisville), I would think there would be no toll here.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 28, 2023, 02:50:04 PM
No tolls. There will be ramps at US 460 in Salyersville but not an interchange - so the at-grade will still persist. To the east, there will be an intersection for old KY 114, and the new alignment will split to the north and remain fully controlled access with no intersections to KY 114 closer to Prestonsburg. It will be (if I recall correctly) 13 miles between the west and east terminus.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on March 10, 2023, 10:29:47 PM
Here's a Kentucky signage memory that I don't think has been mentioned before.

I could swear that the BGS for the exit off I-75 near the Kentucky Horse Park used to have what looked like a state route shield with a horse in it. I think it was the exit for KY 1973. In addition to the elliptical KY 1973 shield, the BGS also had an elliptical shield with a horse instead of a number.

I think this was in the 1980s and may have lasted into the 1990s.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on March 11, 2023, 07:53:27 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on March 10, 2023, 10:29:47 PM
Here's a Kentucky signage memory that I don't think has been mentioned before.

I could swear that the BGS for the exit off I-75 near the Kentucky Horse Park used to have what looked like a state route shield with a horse in it. I think it was the exit for KY 1973. In addition to the elliptical KY 1973 shield, the BGS also had an elliptical shield with a horse instead of a number.

I think this was in the 1980s and may have lasted into the 1990s.

I remember this too, but it was at the northern 64/75 split on all of the 75 north BGSs.  I thought of it as the Kentucky Horse Park's logo at that time, and thought it was quite strange to see it on a BGS whose primary function was to direct traffic to I-75 north.  But in general, KTC's signage was horrible throughout the 1980's and never really got better until the 2010's.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 13, 2023, 11:36:11 AM
There's a bill proposed in the Kentucky House of Representatives to legalize automated (camera) speed enforcement in work zones. It was introduced by a legislator from my area, who's a retired state trooper. Kentuckians for Better Transportation, an organization that constantly lobbies for gas tax increases, is in support of this bill.

I generally am not a fan of traffic enforcement, and definitely do not support automated enforcement. Many construction contracts have specific subcontracts to pay for in-person enforcement. My position has always been that if speed enforcement is such a vital issue, let law enforcement agencies prioritize it and use resources there instead of in other areas. Personally, I'd rather have cops parking near the homes of known drug dealers or doing high-saturation patrols in violent high-crime areas than doing speed enforcement.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on March 13, 2023, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 13, 2023, 11:36:11 AM
There's a bill proposed in the Kentucky House of Representatives to legalize automated (camera) speed enforcement in work zones. It was introduced by a legislator from my area, who's a retired state trooper. Kentuckians for Better Transportation, an organization that constantly lobbies for gas tax increases, is in support of this bill.

I generally am not a fan of traffic enforcement, and definitely do not support automated enforcement. Many construction contracts have specific subcontracts to pay for in-person enforcement. My position has always been that if speed enforcement is such a vital issue, let law enforcement agencies prioritize it and use resources there instead of in other areas. Personally, I'd rather have cops parking near the homes of known drug dealers or doing high-saturation patrols in violent high-crime areas than doing speed enforcement.
This kind of law is moving its way state-to-state.  Sort of inevitable that it will be implemented.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on March 13, 2023, 06:17:58 PM
While I do not favor broad, automated traffic enforcement, I found work zone cameras to be great equalizers in enforcing speed limits through active work zones. There has been a good number of high-profile accidents in the work zones between Charleston and Huntington, WV, which include long "cattle chutes," shifting lanes, rough driving surfaces, and water on the roadway. I try to keep it at 55 MPH through the work zones but have been nearly rear-ended by people wanting to zip through active work zones. There are no areas for police to sit and patrol - and nowhere for them to pull people over.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Dirt Roads on March 13, 2023, 09:10:32 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 13, 2023, 11:36:11 AM
There's a bill proposed in the Kentucky House of Representatives to legalize automated (camera) speed enforcement in work zones. It was introduced by a legislator from my area, who's a retired state trooper. Kentuckians for Better Transportation, an organization that constantly lobbies for gas tax increases, is in support of this bill.

I generally am not a fan of traffic enforcement, and definitely do not support automated enforcement. Many construction contracts have specific subcontracts to pay for in-person enforcement. My position has always been that if speed enforcement is such a vital issue, let law enforcement agencies prioritize it and use resources there instead of in other areas. Personally, I'd rather have cops parking near the homes of known drug dealers or doing high-saturation patrols in violent high-crime areas than doing speed enforcement.

Quote from: Rothman on March 13, 2023, 01:06:32 PM
This kind of law is moving its way state-to-state.  Sort of inevitable that it will be implemented.

Quote from: seicer on March 13, 2023, 06:17:58 PM
While I do not favor broad, automated traffic enforcement, I found work zone cameras to be great equalizers in enforcing speed limits through active work zones. There has been a good number of high-profile accidents in the work zones between Charleston and Huntington, WV, which include long "cattle chutes," shifting lanes, rough driving surfaces, and water on the roadway. I try to keep it at 55 MPH through the work zones but have been nearly rear-ended by people wanting to zip through active work zones. There are no areas for police to sit and patrol - and nowhere for them to pull people over.

That's my understanding.  But some DOTs do have frequent "Emergency Pull-Off" zones located in construction zones, which also allowed for police enforcement activities (NCDOT has been doing this along I-40 in recent years, but I don't recall seeing those along the I-85 North widening not-so-long-ago).  The other issue is that placement of troopers inside the construction barricades with their lights flashing has led to traffic slowing down at the beginning of the work zone, but zooming through the rest.  That strategy now requires a trooper located along with each individual contractor crew along the way.  But if camera-based toll collection doesn't provide the necessary outcome, I wonder how effective that camera-based speed enforcement in construction zones will be.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 18, 2023, 11:49:50 PM
Any plans to get rid of this sign obstruction on I-75?
https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-075-north-walton-ky/#gallery-38


Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on March 19, 2023, 07:55:27 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 18, 2023, 11:49:50 PM
Any plans to get rid of this sign obstruction on I-75?
https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-075-north-walton-ky/#gallery-38
That photo is from 2011.  You sure it's still there?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 19, 2023, 02:25:40 PM
^
I want to say no... and evidently I can.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4736618,-84.579498,3a,75y,0.23h,91.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s23ZjCMjdMtdDf2Y7D9tRXg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Honestly, the only reason I even bothered to look is to find out where all the rest areas are, and see if there's a chance of somebody getting images of them in Wikimedia Commons.



Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on March 19, 2023, 08:42:53 PM
 KY 289 bridge to remain closed, likely to be replaced

https://www.pmg-ky2.com/lebanon/news/ky-289-bridge-to-remain-closed-likely-to-be-replaced/article_85435319-cb57-5be4-80d2-25a1ff1cfc9c.html (https://www.pmg-ky2.com/lebanon/news/ky-289-bridge-to-remain-closed-likely-to-be-replaced/article_85435319-cb57-5be4-80d2-25a1ff1cfc9c.html)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 19, 2023, 09:48:59 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on March 19, 2023, 08:42:53 PM
KY 289 bridge to remain closed, likely to be replaced

https://www.pmg-ky2.com/lebanon/news/ky-289-bridge-to-remain-closed-likely-to-be-replaced/article_85435319-cb57-5be4-80d2-25a1ff1cfc9c.html (https://www.pmg-ky2.com/lebanon/news/ky-289-bridge-to-remain-closed-likely-to-be-replaced/article_85435319-cb57-5be4-80d2-25a1ff1cfc9c.html)

That's the old route of US 68. I drove that route once, back in the mid-1980s when I went to a job interview in Campbellsville. I knew the routing of US 68 wasn't all that old, so I wanted to drive the old route to see what it was like on my way back home. I was surprised to see this old bridge.

If they can determine who caused the damage (not very likely) then they could probably recoup repair/replacement costs from the vehicle's insurance. My guess is that a farm implement did the damage, though, since commercial vehicles would be using US 68 instead.

Another place where I was surprised to see a one-lane bridge on a US route in Kentucky was on US 62 between Mt. Olivet and Maysville. I came upon it in the early 1980s. It has since been replaced.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on March 19, 2023, 09:55:08 PM
Wasn't there a one-lane bridge on a U.S. route in Paris or Winchester or somewhere not too long ago?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on March 20, 2023, 01:42:58 AM
 Old Fredericktown-Bardstown Rd (One Lane Bridge)
Springfield, Kentucky



https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7593297,-85.3495572,3a,75y,91.57h,98.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s05H7mQqc2EW0AwCfVxpMEQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7593297,-85.3495572,3a,75y,91.57h,98.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s05H7mQqc2EW0AwCfVxpMEQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 20, 2023, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on March 19, 2023, 09:55:08 PM
Wasn't there a one-lane bridge on a U.S. route in Paris or Winchester or somewhere not too long ago?

There are some narrow bridges on Old Boonesboro Road (former US 227) in Clark County.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on March 20, 2023, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 20, 2023, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on March 19, 2023, 09:55:08 PM
Wasn't there a one-lane bridge on a U.S. route in Paris or Winchester or somewhere not too long ago?

There are some narrow bridges on Old Boonesboro Road (former US 227) in Clark County.

The bridge I remember was right in town (maybe Paris). It might have been over a railroad. It might not have been a U.S. route at the time, but it might have been former US 227.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on March 20, 2023, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on March 20, 2023, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 20, 2023, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on March 19, 2023, 09:55:08 PM
Wasn't there a one-lane bridge on a U.S. route in Paris or Winchester or somewhere not too long ago?

There are some narrow bridges on Old Boonesboro Road (former US 227) in Clark County.

The bridge I remember was right in town (maybe Paris). It might have been over a railroad. It might not have been a U.S. route at the time, but it might have been former US 227.

There was an ancient bridge on KY 89 just east of US 60 in Winchester, but it's been replaced for many years now.

It might be worth a look at Historical Aerials if one is really interested.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on March 20, 2023, 10:02:09 PM
My grandmother use to hate to driving across  the Old Camp Nelson Bridge going to Nicholasville.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: mvak36 on April 05, 2023, 02:03:39 PM
This is more just for my information, but how much of I-75 in the state is left to be widened to 3 lanes? I tried finding out on my own before asking but I couldn't find anything.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 05, 2023, 04:48:03 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on April 05, 2023, 02:03:39 PM
This is more just for my information, but how much of I-75 in the state is left to be widened to 3 lanes? I tried finding out on my own before asking but I couldn't find anything.

Basically from a point north of Corbin extending south to the state line. About 30 miles.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: mvak36 on April 05, 2023, 04:56:10 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 05, 2023, 04:48:03 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on April 05, 2023, 02:03:39 PM
This is more just for my information, but how much of I-75 in the state is left to be widened to 3 lanes? I tried finding out on my own before asking but I couldn't find anything.

Basically from a point north of Corbin extending south to the state line. About 30 miles.

Thank You.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: sprjus4 on April 05, 2023, 05:41:29 PM
Going back to the discussion in regards to automated enforcement in work zones, I find it interesting that Virginia, for example, has yet to use it. They authorized speed cameras in school zones and work zones a few years back, and while localities have jumped on school zone enforcement, I don't think one work zone has yet to be automated enforced.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 06, 2023, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 05, 2023, 05:41:29 PM
Going back to the discussion in regards to automated enforcement in work zones, I find it interesting that Virginia, for example, has yet to use it. They authorized speed cameras in school zones and work zones a few years back, and while localities have jumped on school zone enforcement, I don't think one work zone has yet to be automated enforced.

I do not know if that legislation eventually passed or not.

There was also a proposal to eliminate the "Team Kentucky" wording and imagery from license plates, but I also don't know the fate of that legislation.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on April 06, 2023, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 06, 2023, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 05, 2023, 05:41:29 PM
Going back to the discussion in regards to automated enforcement in work zones, I find it interesting that Virginia, for example, has yet to use it. They authorized speed cameras in school zones and work zones a few years back, and while localities have jumped on school zone enforcement, I don't think one work zone has yet to be automated enforced.

I do not know if that legislation eventually passed or not.

There was also a proposal to eliminate the "Team Kentucky" wording and imagery from license plates, but I also don't know the fate of that legislation.

That Team Kentucky imagery doesn't look good on license plates.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Revive 755 on April 06, 2023, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: seicer on March 13, 2023, 06:17:58 PM
While I do not favor broad, automated traffic enforcement, I found work zone cameras to be great equalizers in enforcing speed limits through active work zones. There has been a good number of high-profile accidents in the work zones between Charleston and Huntington, WV, which include long "cattle chutes," shifting lanes, rough driving surfaces, and water on the roadway. I try to keep it at 55 MPH through the work zones but have been nearly rear-ended by people wanting to zip through active work zones. There are no areas for police to sit and patrol - and nowhere for them to pull people over.

The problem I have is there are too many work zones where the speed limit gets reduced to some arbitrary value just because there is or will be eventually be a work zone.  Even if there will not be workers near the roadway or the workers will be behind a concrete barrier and the roadway geometry is still fairly good.  I seem to recall at least one work zone in Kentucky that met the 'speed limit reduced for a long distance with nothing happening' criteria.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: sprjus4 on April 07, 2023, 12:45:29 AM
I've noticed this infamously in West Virginia... on both I-77 and I-79, I recall long work zones with 55 mph speed limits (and flashing) with some cones on the side of the road for about 15-20 miles with zero physical work zone, shifted lanes, etc.

And reasonably so, traffic was still moving as if the 70 mph limit was in effect.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on April 07, 2023, 08:44:21 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on April 06, 2023, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: seicer on March 13, 2023, 06:17:58 PM
While I do not favor broad, automated traffic enforcement, I found work zone cameras to be great equalizers in enforcing speed limits through active work zones. There has been a good number of high-profile accidents in the work zones between Charleston and Huntington, WV, which include long "cattle chutes," shifting lanes, rough driving surfaces, and water on the roadway. I try to keep it at 55 MPH through the work zones but have been nearly rear-ended by people wanting to zip through active work zones. There are no areas for police to sit and patrol - and nowhere for them to pull people over.

The problem I have is there are too many work zones where the speed limit gets reduced to some arbitrary value just because there is or will be eventually be a work zone.  Even if there will not be workers near the roadway or the workers will be behind a concrete barrier and the roadway geometry is still fairly good.  I seem to recall at least one work zone in Kentucky that met the 'speed limit reduced for a long distance with nothing happening' criteria.

There is an extremely egregious example on I-75 between the Walton Weigh Station and the Mall Road exit where the entire road is reduced to 55 for a work zone, and the work zone was completely dormant for the entire winter with the new pavement already finished except for a few exit ramps that are part of the 338 and 536 projects anyway. Pretty much every single person is still going 70 through it and I see cops pulling over people constantly. It would be outrageous if everyone going over 55 got ticketed automatically when there has been no actual construction for months.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 07, 2023, 09:19:13 AM
Kentucky doesn't have a work zone speed limit that is in effect only when workers are present or when work is ongoing. That is something long done in West Virginia (although those blinking LEDs atop the work zone speed limit signs can be hard to see) and more recently done in Ohio (giant LED bulbs that flash). That would be great to see in my home state as some of those work zones are many, many miles long.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: sprjus4 on April 07, 2023, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: seicer on April 07, 2023, 09:19:13 AM
Kentucky doesn't have a work zone speed limit that is in effect only when workers are present or when work is ongoing. That is something long done in West Virginia (although those blinking LEDs atop the work zone speed limit signs can be hard to see) and more recently done in Ohio (giant LED bulbs that flash). That would be great to see in my home state as some of those work zones are many, many miles long.
The problem is even with the "when flashing" , they often seem to flash when there's visibly no work. Or it's hard to tell if they're flashing or not.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: sprjus4 on April 07, 2023, 10:31:44 AM
Probably the most egregious example of a 55 mph work zone I can think of... US-59 southwest of Houston, TX was recently upgraded into a 6 lane rural interstate highway (from a 4 lane non-limited-access divided highway). The speed limit when it was divided, only 4 lanes and no access control was 65 mph.

The upgrade has been fully complete for around 2 years now, and it is still marked with a "work zone"  55 mph speed limit. There is zero work occurring. It has a 70 mph design speed and is a rural 6 lane interstate highway (I-69) design.

When I last drove through there, I was set around 70 mph, and was being passed like I was standing still. Clearly - the public has zero respect for artificially low limits and will not follow them.

I tweeted TxDOT last summer and they said a speed study was underway, but who knows when that'll get done. Isn't it normal to revert to at least the pre-construction limit (65 mph), then need a study just to go even higher (70-75 mph)? The fact it's sat at 55 mph for two years is ridiculous.

For context, this is the road in question: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Qx74LyP4VZPCcMqGA?g_st=ic
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on April 07, 2023, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: seicer on April 07, 2023, 09:19:13 AM
Kentucky doesn't have a work zone speed limit that is in effect only when workers are present or when work is ongoing. That is something long done in West Virginia (although those blinking LEDs atop the work zone speed limit signs can be hard to see)

Long enough that they used to be incandescent lights.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on April 08, 2023, 06:42:36 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 07, 2023, 10:31:44 AM
The upgrade has been fully complete for around 2 years now, and it is still marked with a "work zone"  55 mph speed limit. There is zero work occurring. It has a 70 mph design speed and is a rural 6 lane interstate highway (I-69) design.

This reminds me of the Mountain Parkway in southeastern Kentucky, which was originally made with a 4 lane 70 mph section and a 2 (plus truck climbing lanes) lane 55 mph section. Most of the 2 lane section has been expanded to 4 lane, seemingly with a 70 mph design speed. The speed limit is STILL 55 mph, and it's SERIOUSLY enforced. Absolute boon for speeding ticket revenue and following the legal speed limit feels like driving a farm tractor through molasses.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: sprjus4 on April 08, 2023, 10:58:51 AM
^ Instances like this are ridiculous IMO and should not be allowed, but anything for revenue...

The road was reconstructed to a 4 lane rural freeway with a 70 mph design speed, but the DOT for some reason refuses to post a proper speed limit. It's been open for quite a few years now, at least towards the eastern end. I could see them wanting to wait until the entire road is widened, but it's still annoying.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 08, 2023, 06:38:51 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 07, 2023, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: seicer on April 07, 2023, 09:19:13 AM
Kentucky doesn't have a work zone speed limit that is in effect only when workers are present or when work is ongoing. That is something long done in West Virginia (although those blinking LEDs atop the work zone speed limit signs can be hard to see) and more recently done in Ohio (giant LED bulbs that flash). That would be great to see in my home state as some of those work zones are many, many miles long.
The problem is even with the "when flashing" , they often seem to flash when there's visibly no work. Or it's hard to tell if they're flashing or not.

There may be times when a work zone speed limit is in effect, even if there is no work. For instance, no one should be going 70 MPH through the work zones in Huntington-Barboursville WV even though no work may be ongoing.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 08, 2023, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on April 08, 2023, 06:42:36 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 07, 2023, 10:31:44 AM
The upgrade has been fully complete for around 2 years now, and it is still marked with a "work zone"  55 mph speed limit. There is zero work occurring. It has a 70 mph design speed and is a rural 6 lane interstate highway (I-69) design.

This reminds me of the Mountain Parkway in southeastern Kentucky, which was originally made with a 4 lane 70 mph section and a 2 (plus truck climbing lanes) lane 55 mph section. Most of the 2 lane section has been expanded to 4 lane, seemingly with a 70 mph design speed. The speed limit is STILL 55 mph, and it's SERIOUSLY enforced. Absolute boon for speeding ticket revenue and following the legal speed limit feels like driving a farm tractor through molasses.

Quote from: sprjus4 on April 08, 2023, 10:58:51 AM
^ Instances like this are ridiculous IMO and should not be allowed, but anything for revenue...

The road was reconstructed to a 4 lane rural freeway with a 70 mph design speed, but the DOT for some reason refuses to post a proper speed limit. It's been open for quite a few years now, at least towards the eastern end. I could see them wanting to wait until the entire road is widened, but it's still annoying.

Actually, the new four-lane portions are signed for 70 mph now.

The speed limit was 70 mph on the original four-lane section (I-64 to Exit 43), then 65 mph on the four-lane portion between exits 43 and 46, then 55 mph on the "super-2" section.

The original thinking was not to raise the speed limit to 70 mph on the four-lane portions in order to keep from having a lot of changing speed zones, but that decision was changed, and now all the completed four-lane portions are signed for 70 mph.

I used to get complaints about the low speed limit, but recently I got an email from someone not happy with the 70 mph posting, and urging us to cut it back to 60 or 65 mph.

As for speed enforcement, I've never really noticed it, although cops are really enforcing the 45 mph work zone limit along the under-construction portion between exits 46 and 57. I tried to keep my speed between 60-62 on the two-lane section, and would routinely get passed anytime there was a passing lane or a straight stretch marked with a broken yellow line. It was rare that I saw a cop, or someone pulled over.

One thing that jumps out at me, though, is that for all the effort that's being put into getting the parkways in the western part of the state signed as interstates, no one seems interested in doing it for the Mountain Parkway.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on April 08, 2023, 11:20:27 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 08, 2023, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on April 08, 2023, 06:42:36 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 07, 2023, 10:31:44 AM
The upgrade has been fully complete for around 2 years now, and it is still marked with a "work zone"  55 mph speed limit. There is zero work occurring. It has a 70 mph design speed and is a rural 6 lane interstate highway (I-69) design.

This reminds me of the Mountain Parkway in southeastern Kentucky, which was originally made with a 4 lane 70 mph section and a 2 (plus truck climbing lanes) lane 55 mph section. Most of the 2 lane section has been expanded to 4 lane, seemingly with a 70 mph design speed. The speed limit is STILL 55 mph, and it's SERIOUSLY enforced. Absolute boon for speeding ticket revenue and following the legal speed limit feels like driving a farm tractor through molasses.

Quote from: sprjus4 on April 08, 2023, 10:58:51 AM
^ Instances like this are ridiculous IMO and should not be allowed, but anything for revenue...

The road was reconstructed to a 4 lane rural freeway with a 70 mph design speed, but the DOT for some reason refuses to post a proper speed limit. It's been open for quite a few years now, at least towards the eastern end. I could see them wanting to wait until the entire road is widened, but it's still annoying.

Actually, the new four-lane portions are signed for 70 mph now.

The speed limit was 70 mph on the original four-lane section (I-64 to Exit 43), then 65 mph on the four-lane portion between exits 43 and 46, then 55 mph on the "super-2" section.

The original thinking was not to raise the speed limit to 70 mph on the four-lane portions in order to keep from having a lot of changing speed zones, but that decision was changed, and now all the completed four-lane portions are signed for 70 mph.

I used to get complaints about the low speed limit, but recently I got an email from someone not happy with the 70 mph posting, and urging us to cut it back to 60 or 65 mph.

As for speed enforcement, I've never really noticed it, although cops are really enforcing the 45 mph work zone limit along the under-construction portion between exits 46 and 57. I tried to keep my speed between 60-62 on the two-lane section, and would routinely get passed anytime there was a passing lane or a straight stretch marked with a broken yellow line. It was rare that I saw a cop, or someone pulled over.

One thing that jumps out at me, though, is that for all the effort that's being put into getting the parkways in the western part of the state signed as interstates, no one seems interested in doing it for the Mountain Parkway.

Pfft.  I-764, an Interstate spur to, where, exactly?  Salyersville? :D
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on April 09, 2023, 08:40:23 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 08, 2023, 08:32:46 PM
Actually, the new four-lane portions are signed for 70 mph now.

The speed limit was 70 mph on the original four-lane section (I-64 to Exit 43), then 65 mph on the four-lane portion between exits 43 and 46, then 55 mph on the "super-2" section.

The original thinking was not to raise the speed limit to 70 mph on the four-lane portions in order to keep from having a lot of changing speed zones, but that decision was changed, and now all the completed four-lane portions are signed for 70 mph.

I used to get complaints about the low speed limit, but recently I got an email from someone not happy with the 70 mph posting, and urging us to cut it back to 60 or 65 mph.

As for speed enforcement, I've never really noticed it, although cops are really enforcing the 45 mph work zone limit along the under-construction portion between exits 46 and 57. I tried to keep my speed between 60-62 on the two-lane section, and would routinely get passed anytime there was a passing lane or a straight stretch marked with a broken yellow line. It was rare that I saw a cop, or someone pulled over.
Glad to hear the speed limits were finally adjusted for the new 4 lane sections. When I went to Pikeville in late 2021, everything after the original 4 lane section was 55 even if it was widened. When I mention it was heavily enforced, I mean that because...it was enforced on me.  :bigass:. But it sounds like it's a lot more reasonable now.

I am also surprised there hasn't been any push to put an interstate designation on the Mountain Parkway. I would think that there would be interest in it for the sake of giving interstate access to Southeastern Kentucky, but I guess it isn't considered a big deal like in Western Kentucky.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on April 09, 2023, 08:51:43 AM
Let's just say that my cousins from deep Floyd County say that there are stretches of the Mountain Parkway that they're wary of, since that's where the real "crazy hicks" live...
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on April 09, 2023, 09:19:08 AM
I would guess Salyersville would be the hold up for an Interstate designation.



SM-G996U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 10, 2023, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: Rothman on April 09, 2023, 08:51:43 AM
Let's just say that my cousins from deep Floyd County say that there are stretches of the Mountain Parkway that they're wary of, since that's where the real "crazy hicks" live...

There aren't that many residences that close to the highway between Campton and Salyersville. And most of the road has good cell service now if anyone broke down.

Quote from: ibthebigd on April 09, 2023, 09:19:08 AM
I would guess Salyersville would be the hold up for an Interstate designation.

The interstate designation could extend all the way to the US 460 intersection, but even if Restaurant Row was limited access, the proposed new construction is going to end at the five-lane portion of KY 114 that was widened in the early 2000s. There won't be a freeway extending all the way to US 23.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jrStudios on April 11, 2023, 05:06:11 PM
Alright, so I did some digging into the 1980s KY highway guides. Do you want to know why the oldest ky highway signs are not that old? This is because Kentucky did a statewide highway sign replacement program in 1987. All highway guide signs were replaced. Does anyone know anyway to find photos of pre-1987 signs? Let me know!
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on April 11, 2023, 05:09:24 PM
Quote from: jrStudios on April 11, 2023, 05:06:11 PM
Alright, so I did some digging into the 1980s KY highway guides. Do you want to know why the oldest ky highway signs are not that old? This is because Kentucky did a statewide highway sign replacement program in 1987. All highway guide signs were replaced. Does anyone know anyway to find photos of pre-1987 signs? Let me know!

If you mean the regular shields, I do remember one day around 1987 when there was a stretch of road in my area where all the shields were suddenly replaced. But they missed a few older shields, and those remained until not that long ago.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jrStudios on April 11, 2023, 05:16:02 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 11, 2023, 05:09:24 PM
If you mean the regular shields, I do remember one day around 1987 when there was a stretch of road in my area where all the shields were suddenly replaced. But they missed a few older shields, and those remained until not that long ago.
Not just that but full on signs. No button copies, nothing! The shields remained until like 2016, I saw that myself. But the green signs, those were all replaced. I want us to find pre-1987 KY Highway guide signs.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on April 11, 2023, 07:38:04 PM
Quote from: jrStudios on April 11, 2023, 05:16:02 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 11, 2023, 05:09:24 PM
If you mean the regular shields, I do remember one day around 1987 when there was a stretch of road in my area where all the shields were suddenly replaced. But they missed a few older shields, and those remained until not that long ago.
Not just that but full on signs. No button copies, nothing! The shields remained until like 2016, I saw that myself. But the green signs, those were all replaced. I want us to find pre-1987 KY Highway guide signs.

From 1976:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di37183

I don't know the date here, but likely pre-1987:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di80915

Probably late 1960s:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di60319

1977:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di00774

1981:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di15403

1974:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di38213

1980:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di55424
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jrStudios on April 11, 2023, 07:40:50 PM
Any for Jefferson County?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on April 11, 2023, 07:41:39 PM
Quote from: jrStudios on April 11, 2023, 07:40:50 PM
Any for Jefferson County?

I don't remember seeing any for Jefferson County. I may have had one somewhere a long time ago.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jrStudios on April 11, 2023, 07:43:01 PM
This was the Kenton library. LFPL's archives are really bad to navigate. However I did see 1 old watterson expressway sign likely from the early 60s. Can you help find some old Louisville signs from pre-1987? Especially for the western part of I-264 prior to 2003.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jrStudios on April 12, 2023, 08:41:06 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/47BDDhC/Screenshot-2023-04-12-8-32-04-AM.png)

The part of the Highway Plan in question
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jrStudios on April 13, 2023, 09:02:17 AM
A recap for Sign Theory.

Sign Theory is a set of theories involving sign replacements around the countries.

For right now, Sign Theory is the theory that Kentucky replaced all highway guide signs on major interstates from 1985 to 1990. Evidence suggests this via KY Highway plans., as shown in the prior post.

If you want me to dig into Indiana and create their Sign Theory let me know.


Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 13, 2023, 09:18:11 AM
Some of those replacements included button-copy, too!

Kentucky covered many of its old signs with sheet panels, too. An example is this old and deteriorating gem in Shelbyville: https://goo.gl/maps/NzpVwjgBUobEAQVa7
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on April 13, 2023, 09:22:31 AM
Around here, I've always considered button copy an Ohio thing but not a Kentucky thing. However, there was an older button copy sign on I-75 for the Buttermilk Pike exit until not that long ago.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jrStudios on April 13, 2023, 09:28:59 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 13, 2023, 09:22:31 AM
Around here, I've always considered button copy an Ohio thing but not a Kentucky thing. However, there was an older button copy sign on I-75 for the Buttermilk Pike exit until not that long ago.

Now I am kind of unsure about Sign Theory upon hearing this.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on April 13, 2023, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: seicer on April 13, 2023, 09:18:11 AM
Some of those replacements included button-copy, too!

Kentucky covered many of its old signs with sheet panels, too. An example is this old and deteriorating gem in Shelbyville: https://goo.gl/maps/NzpVwjgBUobEAQVa7

Well, that gives Springfield at least something to crow about.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on April 13, 2023, 11:50:02 AM
Didn't someone post one of the vintage huge signs from the Mountain Pkwy somewhere on the forum not long ago?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 13, 2023, 04:03:37 PM
I did - I am not sure if they were original signs to the parkway's opening in the 1960s, but some were certainly sheet panel covers for the originals.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on April 13, 2023, 06:43:46 PM
There were button copy guide signs all along the lower half of of New Circle Rd in Lexington that lasted, I think, all the way into the 00's.  They were present for the US 68 Harrodsburg Rd exit, the US 27 Nicholasville Rd exit, and the KY 1974 Tates Creek Rd exit, and possibly also for the US 25/421 Richmond Rd exit.  The Alumni Dr exit never had these, as I believe that exit was first built in the early 80's and those signs likely dated back to the 70's.  When exit numbers were added to New Circle Rd, these button copy signs were simply augmented with non button copy exit tabs.  No attempt was made to reface the main button copy sign body.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jrStudios on April 14, 2023, 06:47:26 AM
Sign Theory is mainly renovated to I-64,24,65 and 75.  Maybe I-71?
:hmmm:
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: amroad17 on April 17, 2023, 03:14:47 AM
Quote from: jrStudios on April 14, 2023, 06:47:26 AM
Sign Theory is mainly renovated to I-64,24,65 and 75.  Maybe I-71?
:hmmm:
I-71 has had 1 major sign replacement that I know of--and may have had one in the 1980's; that I do not know.  The original signage was put up upon completion c. 1968-69.  The major one I know of occurred around 2000-01, when most, if not all, guide signs, gore signs, and distance signs were changed (using Highway Gothic font).  Since then, some signs have been changed to the Clearview font, however not on an entire I-71 system basis.
Quote from: bandit957 on April 13, 2023, 09:22:31 AM
Around here, I've always considered button copy an Ohio thing but not a Kentucky thing. However, there was an older button copy sign on I-75 for the Buttermilk Pike exit until not that long ago.
When I first moved to Northern Kentucky in late 1994, the only Kentucky button copy sign I saw was at the Erlanger interchange for KY 236 EAST (184A).  I believe the sign was at the gore for 184A, although it could have been up on the prior sign at the 184B gore.

There were button copy signs on I-275 EB just before the Combs-Hehl Bridge for US 52 (at the 1 MILE advance sign) and for an auxiliary sign for Coney Island but I believe they were Ohio installs and not Kentucky ones.  They have long been since replaced.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: amroad17 on April 17, 2023, 03:51:33 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 11, 2023, 07:38:04 PM
Quote from: jrStudios on April 11, 2023, 05:16:02 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 11, 2023, 05:09:24 PM
If you mean the regular shields, I do remember one day around 1987 when there was a stretch of road in my area where all the shields were suddenly replaced. But they missed a few older shields, and those remained until not that long ago.
Not just that but full on signs. No button copies, nothing! The shields remained until like 2016, I saw that myself. But the green signs, those were all replaced. I want us to find pre-1987 KY Highway guide signs.

From 1976:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di37183

I don't know the date here, but likely pre-1987:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di80915

Probably late 1960s:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di60319

1977:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di00774

1981:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di15403

1974:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di38213

1980:

https://facesandplaces.kentonlibrary.org/viewimage.php?i=di55424
This is an excellent find!  I have looked at these a couple of times before on my phone.  Noticing the second photo, I expanded the photo on my phone but could not clearly make out what was on the far I-275 EAST sign.  I thought it was Covington/Newport.  Well, now that I am on my home computer, I clicked on the photo and saw that the wording is Cincinnati By-Pass.  IMHO, I believe that still should be posted on the current sign along with EAST I-275/TO I-471.  This does make a good Cincinnati bypass for through I-71 traffic as it is just 10 extra miles verses taking I-71 through the city.  Also, the Cincinnati By-Pass wording appears not to be button copy and was added on after the sign was erected.

The bus photo shows the "wilderness" that was Mineola Pike before it was built up in the 1980's.  Also, KY 1334 is now KY 212 and the sign is now posted on the Mineola Pike bridge.

The I-275/I-471/US 27 photo shows a covered up Cincinnati on the I-471 signs.  This was taken before the Daniel Carter Beard (Big Mac) Bridge was completed in the year this photo was taken.

Thanks for posting these bandit957!
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jrStudios on April 17, 2023, 09:21:18 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on April 17, 2023, 03:14:47 AM
Quote from: jrStudios on April 14, 2023, 06:47:26 AM
Sign Theory is mainly renovated to I-64,24,65 and 75.  Maybe I-71?
:hmmm:
I-71 has had 1 major sign replacement that I know of--and may have had one in the 1980's; that I do not know.  The original signage was put up upon completion c. 1968-69.  The major one I know of occurred around 2000-01, when most, if not all, guide signs, gore signs, and distance signs were changed (using Highway Gothic font).  Since then, some signs have been changed to the Clearview font, however not on an entire I-71 system basis.
Quote from: bandit957 on April 13, 2023, 09:22:31 AM
Around here, I've always considered button copy an Ohio thing but not a Kentucky thing. However, there was an older button copy sign on I-75 for the Buttermilk Pike exit until not that long ago.
When I first moved to Northern Kentucky in late 1994, the only Kentucky button copy sign I saw was at the Erlanger interchange for KY 236 EAST (184A).  I believe the sign was at the gore for 184A, although it could have been up on the prior sign at the 184B gore.

There were button copy signs on I-275 EB just before the Combs-Hehl Bridge for US 52 (at the 1 MILE advance sign) and for an auxiliary sign for Coney Island but I believe they were Ohio installs and not Kentucky ones.  They have long been since replaced.

Might of been installed by Ohio.

Only in Ohio will you find them installing signs in other states.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on April 17, 2023, 09:35:35 AM
Anyone in Kentucky remember state route shields with 4-digit numbers with really tall and skinny numerals? They used the circular shields, not the wider, oval shields now used for 4-digit numbers. They were probably posted in the 1960s or 1970s.

Think of some newer 3-digit Interstate shields with skinny numerals. What I'm talking about was even taller and skinnier than that.

KY 1120 had a few of these. Most of the KY 1120 shields were not like this, but I remember maybe 3 of them like this through Fort Thomas. I know at least one lasted into the 1990s. maybe the 2000s.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on April 17, 2023, 09:50:14 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 17, 2023, 09:35:35 AM
Anyone in Kentucky remember state route shields with 4-digit numbers with really tall and skinny numerals? They used the circular shields, not the wider, oval shields now used for 4-digit numbers. They were probably posted in the 1960s or 1970s.

Think of some newer 3-digit Interstate shields with skinny numerals. What I'm talking about was even taller and skinnier than that.

KY 1120 had a few of these. Most of the KY 1120 shields were not like this, but I remember maybe 3 of them like this through Fort Thomas. I know at least one lasted into the 1990s. maybe the 2000s.
Pretty sure a lot of those types of shields still exist out there.  KY 1091 and KY 1498 still have them, as far as I know, if I understand the description correctly.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on April 17, 2023, 09:51:12 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 17, 2023, 09:35:35 AM
Anyone in Kentucky remember state route shields with 4-digit numbers with really tall and skinny numerals? They used the circular shields, not the wider, oval shields now used for 4-digit numbers. They were probably posted in the 1960s or 1970s.

Think of some newer 3-digit Interstate shields with skinny numerals. What I'm talking about was even taller and skinnier than that.

KY 1120 had a few of these. Most of the KY 1120 shields were not like this, but I remember maybe 3 of them like this through Fort Thomas. I know at least one lasted into the 1990s. maybe the 2000s.

Whatever highway district covers Lawrence County and points south of there along US 23, that district always used circles for all state highways, from one digit to four digit.  And they used to use the two-digit US highway shields for 119 and 460.  This was at least back in the 90's and 00's.  I can't remember whether or not they still did this the last time I was in that area, which was almost 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on April 17, 2023, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: Rothman on April 17, 2023, 09:50:14 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 17, 2023, 09:35:35 AM
Anyone in Kentucky remember state route shields with 4-digit numbers with really tall and skinny numerals? They used the circular shields, not the wider, oval shields now used for 4-digit numbers. They were probably posted in the 1960s or 1970s.

Think of some newer 3-digit Interstate shields with skinny numerals. What I'm talking about was even taller and skinnier than that.

KY 1120 had a few of these. Most of the KY 1120 shields were not like this, but I remember maybe 3 of them like this through Fort Thomas. I know at least one lasted into the 1990s. maybe the 2000s.
Pretty sure a lot of those types of shields still exist out there.  KY 1091 and KY 1498 still have them, as far as I know, if I understand the description correctly.

I think some Kentucky highway districts might have used them longer than ours did.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on April 17, 2023, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: Rothman on April 17, 2023, 09:50:14 AMPretty sure a lot of those types of shields still exist out there.  KY 1091 and KY 1498 still have them, as far as I know, if I understand the description correctly.

I just found some of these on Street View where the numbers are pretty skinny, but the ones I remember were probably even skinnier. But it's hard to tell, because these don't have a 2.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on April 17, 2023, 10:02:22 AM
I found one in Pike County:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/QvbQf1QfjZN7QBaf8?g_st=ic
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on April 17, 2023, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on April 17, 2023, 10:02:22 AM
I found one in Pike County:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/QvbQf1QfjZN7QBaf8?g_st=ic

The ones I remember were a lot taller and skinnier.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on April 17, 2023, 08:43:36 PM
Annual reminder of interstate and road closures in Louisville, KY:

Beginning Thursday and to Sunday afternoon:
-US 31 (Clark Memorial Bridge)

Saturday around 8pm to 10:30pm:
-I-64 between I-264 (Davis Powers Expressway) and I-264 (Watterson Expressway); both directions
-I-65 between I-264 (Watterson Expressway) and I-265 in Indiana (Lee Hamilton Highway) including both the Lincoln and Kennedy bridges over the Ohio River

Additionally, surface streets near the Ohio River in both Kentucky and Indiana will be closed Saturday. Beginning around 9pm on Saturday, KYTC, Metro Public Works, and LMPD will be directing traffic. Some streets will be "express"  and turns prohibited. Some one way streets may also be reversed for traffic control. The Big Four Bridge will be closed all day Saturday, cyclists and pedestrians needing to cross the Ohio River will need to use Tarc.

Happy Thunder, y'all!
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 18, 2023, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on April 17, 2023, 09:51:12 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 17, 2023, 09:35:35 AM
Anyone in Kentucky remember state route shields with 4-digit numbers with really tall and skinny numerals? They used the circular shields, not the wider, oval shields now used for 4-digit numbers. They were probably posted in the 1960s or 1970s.

Think of some newer 3-digit Interstate shields with skinny numerals. What I'm talking about was even taller and skinnier than that.

KY 1120 had a few of these. Most of the KY 1120 shields were not like this, but I remember maybe 3 of them like this through Fort Thomas. I know at least one lasted into the 1990s. maybe the 2000s.

Whatever highway district covers Lawrence County and points south of there along US 23, that district always used circles for all state highways, from one digit to four digit.  And they used to use the two-digit US highway shields for 119 and 460.  This was at least back in the 90's and 00's.  I can't remember whether or not they still did this the last time I was in that area, which was almost 10 years ago.

District 12, based in Pikeville. But they're going away. An increasing number of four-digit routes are now posted on the wider route markers, as are signs for US 119 and US 460.

A mistake, IMNSHO.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on April 20, 2023, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: CardInLex on April 17, 2023, 08:43:36 PM
Annual reminder of interstate and road closures in Louisville, KY:

Beginning Thursday and to Sunday afternoon:
-US 31 (Clark Memorial Bridge)

Saturday around 8pm to 10:30pm:
-I-64 between I-264 (Davis Powers Expressway) and I-264 (Watterson Expressway); both directions
-I-65 between I-264 (Watterson Expressway) and I-265 in Indiana (Lee Hamilton Highway) including both the Lincoln and Kennedy bridges over the Ohio River

Additionally, surface streets near the Ohio River in both Kentucky and Ohio will be closed Saturday. Beginning around 9pm on Saturday, KYTC, Metro Public Works, and LMPD will be directing traffic. Some streets will be "express"  and turns prohibited. Some one way streets may also be reversed for traffic control. The Big Four Bridge will be closed all day Saturday, cyclists and pedestrians needing to cross the Ohio River will need to use Tarc.

Happy Thunder, y'all!

It's not called the Shawnee Expressway anymore on the west side?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on April 21, 2023, 06:42:02 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on April 20, 2023, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: CardInLex on April 17, 2023, 08:43:36 PM
Annual reminder of interstate and road closures in Louisville, KY:

Beginning Thursday and to Sunday afternoon:
-US 31 (Clark Memorial Bridge)

Saturday around 8pm to 10:30pm:
-I-64 between I-264 (Davis Powers Expressway) and I-264 (Watterson Expressway); both directions
-I-65 between I-264 (Watterson Expressway) and I-265 in Indiana (Lee Hamilton Highway) including both the Lincoln and Kennedy bridges over the Ohio River

Additionally, surface streets near the Ohio River in both Kentucky and Ohio will be closed Saturday. Beginning around 9pm on Saturday, KYTC, Metro Public Works, and LMPD will be directing traffic. Some streets will be "express"  and turns prohibited. Some one way streets may also be reversed for traffic control. The Big Four Bridge will be closed all day Saturday, cyclists and pedestrians needing to cross the Ohio River will need to use Tarc.

Happy Thunder, y'all!

It's not called the Shawnee Expressway anymore on the west side?

No, it was renamed in 2010 to honor Georgia Davis Powers. It is still erroneously referred to as the Shawnee on traffic reports and maps. https://www.wave3.com/story/12662719/expressway-renamed-in-honor-of-former-senator/
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on April 27, 2023, 08:30:21 PM
Does anyone have an update on widening the New Circle Road segment from Leestown Road to Georgetown Road in Lexington?  I don't think it's been funded yet.  I heard they want to put in the Diverging Diamond at the Leestown Road Interchange.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 27, 2023, 09:28:50 PM
It looks like it was separated from the overall widening project from Versailles to Georgetown Road, and you are correct in that the Leestown Road interchange will be a double-crossover diamond: https://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/VE%20Study/VE201207%20New%20Circle.pdf

Construction is set to begin in 2024: https://www.constructionjournal.com/projects/details/4c4a2a7b9c31485aa61004fb8814a4e5.html
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on April 28, 2023, 12:07:36 AM
Quote from: seicer on April 27, 2023, 09:28:50 PM
It looks like it was separated from the overall widening project from Versailles to Georgetown Road, and you are correct in that the Leestown Road interchange will be a double-crossover diamond: https://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/VE%20Study/VE201207%20New%20Circle.pdf

Construction is set to begin in 2024: https://www.constructionjournal.com/projects/details/4c4a2a7b9c31485aa61004fb8814a4e5.html

Thanks!  Good to know it is scheduled to happen next year.

BTW, does anyone know the status of the I-64/Bert T Combs Mountain Parkway interchange?  I thought they were supposed to add a WB I-64 to Parkway ramp as well as a EB Parkway to I-64 ramp.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on April 28, 2023, 07:02:19 AM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on April 28, 2023, 12:07:36 AM
Quote from: seicer on April 27, 2023, 09:28:50 PM
It looks like it was separated from the overall widening project from Versailles to Georgetown Road, and you are correct in that the Leestown Road interchange will be a double-crossover diamond: https://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/VE%20Study/VE201207%20New%20Circle.pdf

Construction is set to begin in 2024: https://www.constructionjournal.com/projects/details/4c4a2a7b9c31485aa61004fb8814a4e5.html

Thanks!  Good to know it is scheduled to happen next year.

BTW, does anyone know the status of the I-64/Bert T Combs Mountain Parkway interchange?  I thought they were supposed to add a WB I-64 to Parkway ramp as well as a EB Parkway to I-64 ramp.
Why would one need an EB Parkway to I-64 ramp when the Parkway begins at I-64?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 28, 2023, 09:11:50 AM
I think Georgia Guardrail (nice name!) is referring to the construction of missing ramps. Here is the preferred alternative (https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictSeven/Pages/Mountain-Parkway-Interchange.aspx). I don't see it referenced in the six-year highway plan (https://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/2022%20Enacted%20Highway%20Plan/11_2022%20Enacted%20Highway%20Plan%20Improvements%20Project%20Listing%20Portrait%20Orientation%20June%2014%202022.pdf).

I am torn on the need for it considering the proximity of the KY 627 interchange and the projected low use of those missing ramps. Ramp C also cuts through prime farmland, too. Moving the ramp further back to make that ramp more compact would impact a historic site.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on April 28, 2023, 09:18:36 AM
Quote from: seicer on April 28, 2023, 09:11:50 AM
I think Georgia Guardrail (nice name!) is referring to the construction of missing ramps. Here is the preferred alternative: https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictSeven/Pages/Mountain-Parkway-Interchange.aspx

I am torn on the need for it considering the proximity of the KY 627 interchange and the projected low use of those missing ramps. Ramp C also cuts through prime farmland, too. Moving the ramp further back to make that ramp more compact would impact a historic site.

When you say "historic site" , are you referring to the last remaining "roundhouse"  rest area just east of the interchange on 64?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on April 28, 2023, 09:37:40 AM
New planning studies posted to KYTC:

KY 3 Auxier Corridor Study (https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/KY%203%20Auxier%20Corridor%20Study%20-%20Final.pdf): "The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC) launched the KY 3 Corridor Study in Spring 2022 to investigate transportation issues along KY 3 in Floyd and Johnson counties, Kentucky, near the community of Auxier. This study examines the last 2.5-mile, two-lane gap in the existing 19-mile long, multi-lane KY 3 highway connection between US 23 near Auxier and KY 645 at Inez in Martin County."

Upgrading the existing KY 321/3 route to five lanes would be the best, in my opinion. It would also save from adding yet another intersection and potential traffic light on US 23. It would also use the 1992 bridge for KY 3 over the Levisa Fork, which was built when the four-lane US 23 bypass was completed. (KY 321 was the former US 23 alignment built in 1962; when it was built, four-lane KY 3 coming from Inez ended at US 23.)

I-64/US 127 West Frankfort Improvements (https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/US%20127%20Traffic%20Analyses.pdf): "The objective of the study is to examine potential short-term traffic impacts along US 127 and adjacent roadways associated with a proposed commercial development northeast of its interchange with I-64 in west Frankfort."

Build 3, with modifications to the I-64 interchange, seems to be a reasonable compromise.

KY 44 Programing Study (https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/KYTC_KY-44-Programming-Study_Final%20Report.pdf): "The objective of the study was to review existing projects, validate design assumptions, investigate new ways to optimize performance through Transportation Systems Management Operations (TSMO) and Performance Based Flexible Solutions (PBFS) concepts, and develop a project priority programming scheme for KY 44 between KY 61 and the Spencer County line."

This regards improvements to KY 44 between Shepherdsville and Mt. Washington. It does not seem the entire corridor will be five-laned.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on April 28, 2023, 10:18:32 AM
They just keep wanting to tinker with KY 3.  It's come a  long way since it was re-routed from going down by Jenny Wiley (current KY 302).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: sprjus4 on April 28, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
Quote from: Rothman on April 28, 2023, 07:02:19 AM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on April 28, 2023, 12:07:36 AM
Quote from: seicer on April 27, 2023, 09:28:50 PM
It looks like it was separated from the overall widening project from Versailles to Georgetown Road, and you are correct in that the Leestown Road interchange will be a double-crossover diamond: https://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/VE%20Study/VE201207%20New%20Circle.pdf

Construction is set to begin in 2024: https://www.constructionjournal.com/projects/details/4c4a2a7b9c31485aa61004fb8814a4e5.html

Thanks!  Good to know it is scheduled to happen next year.

BTW, does anyone know the status of the I-64/Bert T Combs Mountain Parkway interchange?  I thought they were supposed to add a WB I-64 to Parkway ramp as well as a EB Parkway to I-64 ramp.
Why would one need an EB Parkway to I-64 ramp when the Parkway begins at I-64?
I think it's pretty clear he meant I-64 to EB Parkway, given that and the aforementioned connection are the only two missing for being a full system interchange.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on April 28, 2023, 11:37:20 AM


Quote from: sprjus4 on April 28, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
Quote from: Rothman on April 28, 2023, 07:02:19 AM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on April 28, 2023, 12:07:36 AM
Quote from: seicer on April 27, 2023, 09:28:50 PM
It looks like it was separated from the overall widening project from Versailles to Georgetown Road, and you are correct in that the Leestown Road interchange will be a double-crossover diamond: https://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/VE%20Study/VE201207%20New%20Circle.pdf

Construction is set to begin in 2024: https://www.constructionjournal.com/projects/details/4c4a2a7b9c31485aa61004fb8814a4e5.html

Thanks!  Good to know it is scheduled to happen next year.

BTW, does anyone know the status of the I-64/Bert T Combs Mountain Parkway interchange?  I thought they were supposed to add a WB I-64 to Parkway ramp as well as a EB Parkway to I-64 ramp.
Why would one need an EB Parkway to I-64 ramp when the Parkway begins at I-64?
I think it's pretty clear he meant I-64 to EB Parkway, given that and the aforementioned connection are the only two missing for being a full system interchange.

Well, he already mentioned the I-64 WB to EB Parkway ramp, so I understood that.

So...both of you meant WB Parkway to I-64 East, evidently.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 28, 2023, 02:17:53 PM
Best way to improve the connection from I-64 west to Mountain Parkway east, or Mountain Parkway west to I-64 east, would be a major improvement to KY 11 between Clay City and Mt. Sterling.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on April 28, 2023, 03:56:51 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2023, 02:17:53 PM
Best way to improve the connection from I-64 west to Mountain Parkway east, or Mountain Parkway west to I-64 east, would be a major improvement to KY 11 between Clay City and Mt. Sterling.
That's a really good point, actually.  My relatives travel from Floyd County to either Lexington or Mount Sterling, so going all the way to almost Lexington to turn back east doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ibthebigd on April 28, 2023, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2023, 02:17:53 PM
Best way to improve the connection from I-64 west to Mountain Parkway east, or Mountain Parkway west to I-64 east, would be a major improvement to KY 11 between Clay City and Mt. Sterling.
How much further is US 460 to Ky 213

SM-G996U

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on April 30, 2023, 03:41:02 PM
Actually, there are a lot of people who prefer taking KY 213 and US 460 as opposed to KY 11. I haven't run the mileage on the exact routes, but there's much more improved highway along 213/460. Only about 6-7 miles of that route is not improved, vs. the entire 15-mile KY 11 route.

I guess a lot of it depends on where you're coming from and where you're going.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on June 06, 2023, 10:06:37 PM
Are there any current plans for improvements on the Bluegrass Parkway?

This dangerous interchange https://www.google.com/maps/@37.749732,-85.6711895,3a,75y,22.5h,62.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suHjMNOisaMdLjozqCY4hnQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DuHjMNOisaMdLjozqCY4hnQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D7.0851994%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.749732,-85.6711895,3a,75y,22.5h,62.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suHjMNOisaMdLjozqCY4hnQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DuHjMNOisaMdLjozqCY4hnQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D7.0851994%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) with Nelsonville road comes to mind.  I don't even understand how that passed inspection to begin with!

Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on June 06, 2023, 10:56:45 PM
That design is the remnants of a single point toll plaza, where the mainline and all ramps used it. It's pretty much in the same vein as the typical cloverleaf toll plazas KY used.


EDIT:

Image from Historic Aerials, 1983

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230607/5164890267d4e103b391ec960f22162a.jpg)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on June 06, 2023, 11:36:26 PM
^ Yes it was a 40¢ toll up until 1991 when all tolls were lifted.  I got to throw coins in the baskets at each of the toll plazas right before the tolls were lifted, as I had my permit and license back in 91.  This plaza was the only one on the BG that wasn't located under a bridge, so there was an actual toll plaza structure built here.

Also, flooding is common in this area when heavy rains occur.  I have seen it flooded in all of the grassy sections between the ramps and roadways, but not on KY 52 itself (though I can imagine it has flooded).  The Rolling Fork River is just west of this area.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on June 07, 2023, 12:01:06 AM
Ah yes.  I forgot that Bluegrass Parkway was tolled up till the early 1990s.  That would explain the odd design.  A lot of Kentucky interchanges with toll booths had the tight 4 cloverleaf type ramp systems that are now outdated.  You can see remnants of them on the Bluegrass, Cumberland, and Western Parkways.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on June 07, 2023, 12:56:42 PM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on June 07, 2023, 12:01:06 AM
Ah yes.  I forgot that Bluegrass Parkway was tolled up till the early 1990s.  That would explain the odd design.  A lot of Kentucky interchanges with toll booths had the tight 4 cloverleaf type ramp systems that are now outdated.  You can see remnants of them on the Bluegrass, Cumberland, and Western Parkways.

I'm thinking that this will be the very last of the toll booth interchanges ever converted, although it would probably be the easiest to convert. Construction costs probably wouldn't be too terribly high. Just tweak the points where the ramps intersect the parkway, close the interchange for a couple of weeks, and it's done. The reason I say it'll be the last one is because I'm sure the traffic volumes here are not high at all.

The last one on the Purchase is currently being converted as part of the I-69 project.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on June 07, 2023, 08:23:48 PM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on June 07, 2023, 12:01:06 AM
Ah yes.  I forgot that Bluegrass Parkway was tolled up till the early 1990s.  That would explain the odd design.  A lot of Kentucky interchanges with toll booths had the tight 4 cloverleaf type ramp systems that are now outdated.  You can see remnants of them on the Bluegrass, Cumberland, and Western Parkways.

Kentucky really stood out on U.S. maps in the '80s with its latticework of toll roads. Like if green was interstates, blue was toll roads and red was U.S. Routes Kentucky glowed blue.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on June 08, 2023, 05:28:09 PM
Add to it the Daniel Boone, Mountain, Audubon, Green River parkways, tolls allowed the state to build out its network decades ahead of other states.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 08, 2023, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: plain on June 06, 2023, 10:56:45 PM
That design is the remnants of a single point toll plaza, where the mainline and all ramps used it. It's pretty much in the same vein as the typical cloverleaf toll plazas KY used.


EDIT:

Image from Historic Aerials, 1983

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230607/5164890267d4e103b391ec960f22162a.jpg)

There's another interchange of this kind who exist in Quebec where A-10 meet PQ-243. https://goo.gl/maps/KzVBZFQn3pLn2YG3A 
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: plain on June 12, 2023, 11:53:22 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 08, 2023, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: plain on June 06, 2023, 10:56:45 PM
That design is the remnants of a single point toll plaza, where the mainline and all ramps used it. It's pretty much in the same vein as the typical cloverleaf toll plazas KY used.


EDIT:

Image from Historic Aerials, 1983

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230607/5164890267d4e103b391ec960f22162a.jpg)

There's another interchange of this kind who exist in Quebec where A-10 meet PQ-243. https://goo.gl/maps/KzVBZFQn3pLn2YG3A

Yes, another former toll plaza location.

CO, KY, OK, and QC were the places that used the toll plaza with the cloverleaf design (with KY & QC having at least one interchange with the particular design shown in the image). Oklahoma actually still have a couple of toll plazas left utilizing the cloverleaf, but they're not going to last too much longer with the OTA's switch to AET.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on July 26, 2023, 09:45:41 AM
I wasn't aware this project had progressed that much, but a flyover ramp will be built from US 23 to US 119 south in Jenkins. This will also include four-lane widening on a relocated alignment for US 119: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/12-199.00%20DNA.pdf
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on July 26, 2023, 02:56:43 PM
Isn't the KY 55 exit to Bloomfield on the BG still configured for toll roads with the bowtie,mini clover exit?   
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on July 26, 2023, 03:33:25 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on July 26, 2023, 02:56:43 PM
Isn't the KY 55 exit to Bloomfield on the BG still configured for toll roads with the bowtie,mini clover exit?   

Yes it is.  Low volume exit, so it's probably a low priority to convert to a diamond.  Plus it's not along a future interstate (for now).
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 20, 2023, 03:37:24 PM
(Thunderbolt Radio)  Extended closure of KY 166/Middle Road in Fulton County for bridge replacement delayed to next week (https://www.thunderboltradio.com/2023/09/20/extended-closure-of-ky-166-middle-road-in-fulton-county-for-bridge-replacement-delayed-to-next-week/)
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on September 25, 2023, 03:19:11 PM
I drove the new Minnie-to-Harold connector (KY 680) yesterday. The road connects KY 80 at Eastern with US 23/US 460/KY 80 at Harold. The road lies entirely within Floyd County and its eastern terminus is about a mile north of the Pike County line.

Best I can tell, old KY 680 is still numbered that way between KY 122 and KY 979. I presume that number will be swapped with KY 3680, which is what the uncompleted portion of the road was signed previously.

The primary purpose of the road is to provide a shortcut between Hindman/Hazard and Pikeville. It eliminates the need to go all th way to Allen on KY 80 before turning south of US 23.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on September 25, 2023, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 25, 2023, 03:19:11 PM
I drove the new Minnie-to-Harold connector (KY 680) yesterday. The road connects KY 80 at Eastern with US 23/US 460/KY 80 at Harold. The road lies entirely within Floyd County and its eastern terminus is about a mile north of the Pike County line.

Best I can tell, old KY 680 is still numbered that way between KY 122 and KY 979. I presume that number will be swapped with KY 3680, which is what the uncompleted portion of the road was signed previously.

The primary purpose of the road is to provide a shortcut between Hindman/Hazard and Pikeville. It eliminates the need to go all th way to Allen on KY 80 before turning south of US 23.
Hope it works out as well as the original stretch from KY 80 to Minnie did.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 06, 2023, 06:45:53 PM
Gov. Andy Beshear Announces Speed Limit Increase to 65 mph on 2 Sections of U.S. 68/KY 80 near Cadiz and Mayfield  (https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/KYTC/bulletins/37347d4)
Official order applies to two 4-lane sections totaling 9 miles

FRANKFORT, Ky. (Oct. 3, 2023) – Continuing his commitment to the modernization of transportation under his Better Kentucky Plan, today Gov. Andy Beshear announced an increase in the speed limit on two sections of U.S. 68/KY 80 in parts of Trigg and Graves counties.

The highway sections, both of which are four-lane, now bear speed limit signs for 65 mph, up from the previous 55 mph.

"The U.S. 68/Kentucky 80 Corridor is a well-designed, well-constructed highway that can safely accommodate the higher speed limit," Gov. Beshear said. "This corridor already is a tremendous asset as a 4-lane connector between Interstate 24 at Cadiz and Interstate 69 at Mayfield. By updating the out-of-date speed limit, we are reducing congestion and helping Kentuckians get to their destination quicker and safer, while also increasing economic development by enhancing the flow of commerce in this area."

Kentucky Transportation Secretary Jim Gray signed the order directing the higher speed limit on 6.5 miles of U.S. 68/KY 80 from the west edge of Cadiz to the Lake Barkley Bridge at Canton and along 2.5 miles of the KY 80 Mayfield South Bypass.

To confirm the roadway could safely accommodate the higher speed limit, Transportation Cabinet engineers analyzed data from similar road segments where the speed limit was raised earlier. 

The speed limit will remain at 55 along 9 miles of the corridor through Land Between the Lakes National Recreation Area and near the I-24 Cadiz Exit 65 Interchange east of Cadiz, at the U.S. 641/KY 80 intersection north of Murray, and near the KY 121 Bypass at Mayfield where the intersections have traffic signals.

The speed limit along U.S. 68/KY 80 from Cadiz, through Christian, Todd and Logan counties to the edge of Bowling Green was raised to 65 mph in October 2012, enhancing the corridor across southern Kentucky. A section of KY 80 in Calloway and Graves counties was raised in October 2015. The speed limit has also been increased on 4-lane sections of U.S. 641 and U.S. 45.

"I am pleased with the cooperative effort by public officials and economic development organizations across the region who have worked to make this speed limit increase a reality. This decision by Governor Beshear and the Transportation Cabinet will make travel a little easier for all of us while opening up economic development opportunities for counties along the corridor and beyond," said State Rep. Richard Heath of Mayfield.

"This speed limit change means goods and materials can move into and out of the area more efficiently. Raising the speed limit turns the U.S. 68 /KY 80corridor into an even greater asset in the competitive arena of economic development and job expansion," said Graves County Judge-Executive Jesse Perry.

"We are fortunate to have this high-quality connection between I-69 and I-24 that connects on eastward to Bowling Green. This new speed limit is an advantage on GPS devices and when companies perform fuel consumption and travel time calculations. If you are in Mayfield or Murray, this provides a quicker way to reach Bowling Green or Nashville," said State Rep. Thomas Walker.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on October 07, 2023, 12:06:38 AM
They should consider raising the limit along certain stretches of US 23 to at least 60 mph.  Like between Louisa and I-64, and between Greenup and South Shore.  Also US 68 between Paris and Millersburg, US 27 between KY 34 and the south end of the Nicholasville Bypass and between the Cumberland Parkway to KY 70, US 150 between Stanford and Danville, and most of the KY 914 bypass around Somerset.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 09, 2023, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on October 07, 2023, 12:06:38 AM
They should consider raising the limit along certain stretches of US 23 to at least 60 mph.  Like between Louisa and I-64, and between Greenup and South Shore.  Also US 68 between Paris and Millersburg, US 27 between KY 34 and the south end of the Nicholasville Bypass and between the Cumberland Parkway to KY 70, US 150 between Stanford and Danville, and most of the KY 914 bypass around Somerset.

Actually, pretty much all of 23 between Paintsville and Catlettsburg could be raised to 65, as could all of the route between Pikeville and the Virginia line. Along with US 119 from Pikeville to the northeast foot of Bent Mountain (where the old, curvy section of four-lane begins) and all of KY 80 between Hazard and Allen.

Quote from: seicer on October 06, 2023, 06:45:53 PM
Gov. Andy Beshear Announces Speed Limit Increase to 65 mph on 2 Sections of U.S. 68/KY 80 near Cadiz and Mayfield  (https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/KYTC/bulletins/37347d4)


You can tell it's a Kentucky gubernatorial election year. I don't remember prior speed limit increases being announced by the governor.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: CardInLex on October 09, 2023, 06:26:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 09, 2023, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on October 07, 2023, 12:06:38 AM
They should consider raising the limit along certain stretches of US 23 to at least 60 mph.  Like between Louisa and I-64, and between Greenup and South Shore.  Also US 68 between Paris and Millersburg, US 27 between KY 34 and the south end of the Nicholasville Bypass and between the Cumberland Parkway to KY 70, US 150 between Stanford and Danville, and most of the KY 914 bypass around Somerset.

Actually, pretty much all of 23 between Paintsville and Catlettsburg could be raised to 65, as could all of the route between Pikeville and the Virginia line. Along with US 119 from Pikeville to the northeast foot of Bent Mountain (where the old, curvy section of four-lane begins) and all of KY 80 between Hazard and Allen.

Quote from: seicer on October 06, 2023, 06:45:53 PM
Gov. Andy Beshear Announces Speed Limit Increase to 65 mph on 2 Sections of U.S. 68/KY 80 near Cadiz and Mayfield  (https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/KYTC/bulletins/37347d4)


You can tell it's a Kentucky gubernatorial election year. I don't remember prior speed limit increases being announced by the governor.


Governor Steve Beshear announced higher speed limits on US 68/KY 80 (different section) back in 2012.

https://www.bgdailynews.com/news/new-65-mph-signs-go-up-on-u-s-68-ky-80/article_71895720-0d79-11e2-8222-0019bb2963f4.html#:~:text=The%20old%2055%20mph%20signs,65%20mph%20on%20the%20road.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 12, 2023, 09:07:17 AM
And here is Governor Matt Blevin (R) pledging to raise speed limits on US 641 and KY 80: https://www.murrayledger.com/news/bevin-pledges-to-raise-speed-limits-on-641-80-if-elected/article_3563cfbc-380c-11e5-b328-9bae5338de9f.html

And Governor Ernie Fletcher (R) signed off on the increase to 70 MPH on interstates and parkways back in 2007: https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article43966167.html

How convenient H.B. forgot that 😉
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: I-55 on October 12, 2023, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: seicer on October 12, 2023, 09:07:17 AM
And here is Governor Matt Blevin (R) pledging to raise speed limits on US 641 and KY 80: https://www.murrayledger.com/news/bevin-pledges-to-raise-speed-limits-on-641-80-if-elected/article_3563cfbc-380c-11e5-b328-9bae5338de9f.html

And Governor Ernie Fletcher (R) signed off on the increase to 70 MPH on interstates and parkways back in 2007: https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article43966167.html

How convenient H.B. forgot that 😉

I'd say that the latter isn't like the former. A statewide speed limit increase approved by the senate is not the same as raising a few miles on one or two roads. Statewide limit increases are an actual big deal. A couple roads, maybe the local news writes an article.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 12, 2023, 10:05:39 PM
The point is that it's generally something governors (and politicians) on both sides can agree on. Fletcher, Blevin, Beshear (Steve), and Beshear (Andy) have all raised speed limits, either in whole or in part.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 13, 2023, 05:55:09 PM
The examples cited above are from news coverage, not press releases, and one was a campaign pledge by a non-incumbent candidate.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 13, 2023, 07:16:01 PM
If your employer's website was more accessible and searchable, I'd be happy to find those news releases and prove you wrong. But you seem pretty content with thinking that raising speed limits is only something that Andy Beshear does when it's been proven that the past several administrations have done just that.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: XamotCGC on October 13, 2023, 09:37:17 PM
When did Kentucky switch from white background to a green background on mileage signs? Just wondering.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on October 13, 2023, 10:00:33 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on October 13, 2023, 09:37:17 PM
When did Kentucky switch from white background to a green background on mileage signs? Just wondering.
Holy cow...I forgot the white background was a thing, but remember that from when I was a kid.  Must have happened eons ago.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 14, 2023, 10:38:33 PM
I guess Kentucky was serious about using I-569 for part of Western Ky Pkwy.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53258934334_dde6ffe0a2_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9iXEw)
From my trip back from Mississippi, last week.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 15, 2023, 06:56:57 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 14, 2023, 10:38:33 PM
I guess Kentucky was serious about using I-569 for part of Western Ky Pkwy.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53258934334_dde6ffe0a2_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9iXEw)
From my trip back from Mississippi, last week.

Yeah, I saw that back when I clinched the Western KY Pkwy back in June.  I believe it currently will only go from I-69 to I-165.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: bandit957 on October 19, 2023, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on October 13, 2023, 09:37:17 PM
When did Kentucky switch from white background to a green background on mileage signs? Just wondering.

Maybe 1970s or so.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 20, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on October 19, 2023, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on October 13, 2023, 09:37:17 PM
When did Kentucky switch from white background to a green background on mileage signs? Just wondering.

Maybe 1970s or so.

There were a couple of them still posted last year in Gallatin County.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 24, 2023, 03:40:03 PM
I've spent the past week working around Lexington and got to drive or check out several new developments:

- The new KY 956 bypass of Berea looks to be practically complete. It will connect US 25 north of the city to KY 21 east of the city. It appears to be two lanes on a four-lane right-of-way and will include a bike path. Alignment (https://bereaky.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Berea-Bypass-Phase-2-8x11-1.pdf)

I wish that the second phase of the project more closely matched the first phase from KY 595 to US 25. The first phase is more of a conventional highway design, with four lanes, shoulders, and an unfortunate gravel median. I'm not sure why the state has started to use gravel medians instead of grass as it promotes surface-run off, and requires extensive toxic weed spraying (rather than mowing). It is also just ugly, especially in a town like Berea that prides itself on its environmental ethos.

- The completion of KY 52 between I-75 and Paint Lick is progressing. The four-lane KY 2872 (Duncannon Lane) tapers to two lanes at Caleast Road. Portions are already paved but earthwork is still underway further west.

- The first phase of the KY 2827 bypass of Nicholasville is complete from US 27 south of the city to KY 39 east of the city. It is four lanes with controlled access at intersections. It features a curbed median and a bike path with a grass median (unlike the first phase of the Berea bypass). This will not be a replacement for US 27 but a relief route for the eastern fringes of the city.

The western terminus will need a traffic signal sooner than later. Ideally, this would include an interchange but so did the gob of intersections along US 27 around Nicholasville.

- US 68 has been significantly improved descending down to the Kentucky River. It appears that they have done some context-sensitive improvements, including some rockfall mitigation, curve reconstruction, shoulder addition and stabilization, and repaving.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 25, 2023, 11:46:47 AM
Quote from: seicer on October 24, 2023, 03:40:03 PM
I've spent the past week working around Lexington and got to drive or check out several new developments:

- The new KY 956 bypass of Berea looks to be practically complete. It will connect US 25 north of the city to KY 21 east of the city. It appears to be two lanes on a four-lane right-of-way and will include a bike path. Alignment (https://bereaky.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Berea-Bypass-Phase-2-8x11-1.pdf)

I wish that the second phase of the project more closely matched the first phase from KY 595 to US 25. The first phase is more of a conventional highway design, with four lanes, shoulders, and an unfortunate gravel median. I'm not sure why the state has started to use gravel medians instead of grass as it promotes surface-run off, and requires extensive toxic weed spraying (rather than mowing). It is also just ugly, especially in a town like Berea that prides itself on its environmental ethos.

It also has a roundabout at KY 1016.  :banghead:

My guess is that the segment east of US 25 will not carry enough traffic to justify four lanes
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on October 25, 2023, 12:52:46 PM
I don't think it will. A roundabout will be installed at the KY 686 Mt. Sterling bypass at its junction with KY 713. The bypass has room for four-lanes, but the proposal from KYTC on the roundabout alluded that traffic counts on the bypass have peaked and there is no demand for four-lanes in the foreseeable future. That intersection has been problematic and has a high accident rate.

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Unrelated, I am curious as to how District 9 prioritizes right-of-way and roadway maintenance. While it keeps up with Interstate 64 and the Mountain Parkway very well, clearing debris from shoulders, trimming back trees far from the roadway, and clearing off rock benches, other roads leave much to be desired. US 23 is a complete mess in Greenup and Boyd counties, to the point that large trees are now growing in ditch lines and branches are completely covering signs. Water is ponding on the road because it can't leave the asphalt because of gravel/debris that's created a berm at the edge. And debris in the median and shoulder have not been swept or removed, despite my repeated emails.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on October 26, 2023, 11:40:57 AM
Quote from: seicer on October 25, 2023, 12:52:46 PM
I don't think it will. A roundabout will be installed at the KY 686 Mt. Sterling bypass at its junction with KY 713. The bypass has room for four-lanes, but the proposal from KYTC on the roundabout alluded that traffic counts on the bypass have peaked and there is no demand for four-lanes in the foreseeable future. That intersection has been problematic and has a high accident rate.

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Unrelated, I am curious as to how District 9 prioritizes right-of-way and roadway maintenance. While it keeps up with Interstate 64 and the Mountain Parkway very well, clearing debris from shoulders, trimming back trees far from the roadway, and clearing off rock benches, other roads leave much to be desired. US 23 is a complete mess in Greenup and Boyd counties, to the point that large trees are now growing in ditch lines and branches are completely covering signs. Water is ponding on the road because it can't leave the asphalt because of gravel/debris that's created a berm at the edge. And debris in the median and shoulder have not been swept or removed, despite my repeated emails.

The roundabout in Mt. Sterling is complete and has been functional in existence for several months.

Also, the Mountain Parkway doesn't run through District 9. The Clark County section is in District 7, the remainder in District 10. As to their priorities, I would think that US 23 would rank only behind I-64 and above other routes like US 68 and the AA Highway.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ThatRandomOshawott on November 13, 2023, 08:30:03 PM
https://www.radionwtn.com/2023/10/12/ribbon-cutting-opens-new-hwy-641-section-from-hazel-to-murray/

The new four-lane segment of US 641 between Murray and Hazel opened last month. The widening of this segment of US 641 has been talked about for decades, but it finally came to fruition. My 90-year-old grandmother has lived her entire life in the area and she wanted to see the new road, so my father and I went down the new road going southbound with her in the back seat.
It seems well-designed, with I think three Michigan lefts for some county roads that the new 641 bisects. It's not fully complete, though - the intersection just south of Murray with the old 641 alignment is still being worked on. And it has a 55 mph speed limit - perhaps they'll raise it to 65 when Tennessee decides to complete their segment of the four-lane from Hazel to Paris? 
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 13, 2023, 08:33:25 PM
Perhaps, especially in light of the state raising the speed limit on comparable roads in western and south-central Kentucky.

You can see some of the new alignment in this aerial: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5520375,-88.3284186,9621m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 14, 2023, 01:09:20 AM
Quote from: seicer on November 13, 2023, 08:33:25 PM
Perhaps, especially in light of the state raising the speed limit on comparable roads in western and south-central Kentucky.

You can see some of the new alignment in this aerial: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5520375,-88.3284186,9621m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

And StreetView JUST MISSED going on it, as they drove past it in October '23.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/egsjHCtwspony5an7
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on November 14, 2023, 11:06:38 AM
At least the Google Car has gone through twice in the past couple years. Maybe it finally stopped going through the same suburban subdivisions over and over and started going through Appalachia for the first time since 2007 or 2012.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 14, 2023, 11:39:53 AM
Are they planning to build a US 641 bypass of Murray? It looks like an eastern bypass of the city could potentially be constructed.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on November 14, 2023, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on November 14, 2023, 11:06:38 AM
At least the Google Car has gone through twice in the past couple years. Maybe it finally stopped going through the same suburban subdivisions over and over and started going through Appalachia for the first time since 2007 or 2012.
...while leaving a whole lot of rural KY with GSV from 2009 or whatnot.  Google just doesn't care.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 14, 2023, 02:52:07 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 14, 2023, 11:39:53 AM
Are they planning to build a US 641 bypass of Murray? It looks like an eastern bypass of the city could potentially be constructed.

It's outlined in the Murray Small Urban Area planning study (https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/Murray%20SUA%20Study_Final%20Report.pdf).

I believe a bypass is warranted as US 641 runs adjacent to the university. This road should feature a "road diet" with enhanced pedestrian-centered features to improve safety. These needs align with public feedback gathered through surveys. Additionally, the city has plans to develop this area for higher-density use, including student housing and other urban projects, in the coming years.

Currently, there are two proposed bypass routes - one to the east and another to the west, although these are still in the conceptual stage. The east bypass, estimated to cost $20 million, is identified as a high priority. In contrast, the west bypass, with an estimated cost of $64 million, is considered a low priority. The east bypass would link to the "Murray Business Loop," a project planned for 2024-25. This loop is designed to connect US 641 Business and KY 121 to KY 94, and the bypass would extend north to KY 80. For a view of this plan, refer to the map on page VI.

Page 36 has another east bypass proposal from 2004 that connects US 641 south of the city to KY 80 north of the city. I can't recall if any of this is in the STIP but from the way it reads in the planning study, nothing is concrete and would need to undergo further planning and analysis.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: ThatRandomOshawott on November 15, 2023, 12:57:43 PM
Quote from: seicer on November 14, 2023, 02:52:07 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 14, 2023, 11:39:53 AM
Are they planning to build a US 641 bypass of Murray? It looks like an eastern bypass of the city could potentially be constructed.

It's outlined in the Murray Small Urban Area planning study (https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/Murray%20SUA%20Study_Final%20Report.pdf).

I believe a bypass is warranted as US 641 runs adjacent to the university. This road should feature a "road diet" with enhanced pedestrian-centered features to improve safety. These needs align with public feedback gathered through surveys. Additionally, the city has plans to develop this area for higher-density use, including student housing and other urban projects, in the coming years.

Currently, there are two proposed bypass routes - one to the east and another to the west, although these are still in the conceptual stage. The east bypass, estimated to cost $20 million, is identified as a high priority. In contrast, the west bypass, with an estimated cost of $64 million, is considered a low priority. The east bypass would link to the "Murray Business Loop," a project planned for 2024-25. This loop is designed to connect US 641 Business and KY 121 to KY 94, and the bypass would extend north to KY 80. For a view of this plan, refer to the map on page VI.

Page 36 has another east bypass proposal from 2004 that connects US 641 south of the city to KY 80 north of the city. I can't recall if any of this is in the STIP but from the way it reads in the planning study, nothing is concrete and would need to undergo further planning and analysis.

US 641 (12th Street) through Murray remains the major north-south route through the city, and traffic during the university's school year can be a pain, especially in the stretch between the 121 "Bypass" and Main Street. Almost every fast food restaurant and chain store is on 12th Street, with the ones not on it being adjacent to it. My father reports hearing a trucker call Murray "Little Evansville" because "you can't get through it."
A bypass would definitely alleviate 641's congestion, especially as the city grows and more businesses are added to the city's portfolio. Two restaurants are currently under construction, in fact: Seven Brew Coffee (on 12th Street beside Captain D's) and Texas Roadhouse (where Ryan's/Hibachi King used to be on the 121 "Bypass")
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 28, 2023, 10:07:26 AM
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/1ff6f05bf7bf4e2b90382ba31f2fa298

"The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC) is conducting a planning study along KY 168 Blackburn Avenue/Wheatley Road between US 60 in Ashland and Hoods Creek Pike in Westwood--a distance of about 1.7 miles. This study will analyze existing conditions and proposed future traffic to identify options for improving mobility and safety for all users along the KY 168 corridor."

It looks like the Iroquois Avenue leg of the five-way intersection at US 60/KY 168 may be closing for good if the improvements get underway (A2). The longer turn lanes on both US 60 and KY 168 are long needed (A3).

Generally, the road needs slightly wider lanes and standardized sidewalks on one side of the road. There are too many areas where the sidewalks don't exist, too narrow, or obstructed with poles and fire hydrants.

KYTC is collecting community input through December 1, 2023 and will wrap up the study in early 2024.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: wriddle082 on November 28, 2023, 04:12:52 PM
Quote from: seicer on November 28, 2023, 10:07:26 AM
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/1ff6f05bf7bf4e2b90382ba31f2fa298

"The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC) is conducting a planning study along KY 168 Blackburn Avenue/Wheatley Road between US 60 in Ashland and Hoods Creek Pike in Westwood--a distance of about 1.7 miles. This study will analyze existing conditions and proposed future traffic to identify options for improving mobility and safety for all users along the KY 168 corridor."

It looks like the Iroquois Algonquin Avenue leg of the five-way intersection at US 60/KY 168 may be closing for good if the improvements get underway (A2). The longer turn lanes on both US 60 and KY 168 are long needed (A3).

Generally, the road needs slightly wider lanes and standardized sidewalks on one side of the road. There are too many areas where the sidewalks don't exist, too narrow, or obstructed with poles and fire hydrants.

KYTC is collecting community input through December 1, 2023 and will wrap up the study in early 2024.

That intersection and stretch of Blackburn/Wheatley has been a big part of my life growing up, as my mom, brothers, and I lived off of 13th St (US 60) and my grandparents lived off of Wheatley.

Yes, the left turn lanes have been completely inadequate since at least the 80's.  But the biggest issue I'm seeing is how are they going to acquire any land to make any improvements?  Sure, closing off the Algonquin (FIFY above) leg, or at least making it RIRO, will help, but it's not necessarily going to create room for longer turn lanes, since two out of five corners have buildings built up to the sidewalks.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on November 28, 2023, 04:57:26 PM
It looks like they will be cutting into the land on the east side of US 60 to add the right turn lane and elongate the left turn lane. The Tudor Revival building at the southwest corner of the intersection (originally a grocery store and apartments) is being rehabilitated after being abandoned for some years. The building at the northeast corner is now occupied by a medical office.

I think a better solution would have been to have four-phase signaling so there wouldn't necessarily be a need for longer turn lanes or right-of-way width.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 01, 2023, 09:03:05 AM
https://us60connectivitystudy.com/

"The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet is conducting the US 60 Connectivity Study to examine the feasibility, costs, and impacts of a potential new US 60 corridor and Ohio River crossing between Barlow, KY and I-57 north of Cairo, IL."

(https://lbn7df.p3cdn1.secureserver.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/US-60_maps-3-20-2023-1024x791.png)

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I am not sure of the need for such a bridge considering the state is proposing to replace the US 51 and US 60 bridge with a new two-lane structure in the near future.

Edit: It appears that this bridge project would replace, not supplement, the US 51 and US 60 bridge between Cairo and Wickliffe. From their FAQ:

"The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet's US 60 Connectivity Study (Item 1-80250) is a regional project to study an alternative route and potential new bridge crossing connecting Western Kentucky and Southern Illinois. This study is being conducted by KYTC to determine if a new corridor and river crossing would offer more long-term value to the Commonwealth and traveling public than the proposed US 51 Bridge Replacement (Item No. 1-1140) between Wickliffe, Ky., and Cairo, Il."

"Bridge construction is both expensive and long-term as bridges remain in service for many decades. With the need to replace the existing US 51 bridge connecting Wickliffe and Cairo, KYTC is considering other options proposed by local officials and stakeholders to determine an optimal solution to address long-term, cross-river mobility needs to best serve the region."

"A northern route between Barlow, Ky., and Mound City, Il., was considered as a potential alternative during the planning process for the US 51 Bridge Replacement project as a more direct connection to Interstate 57 in Illinois. A 2013 study dismissed the route early in the planning process because it did not meet a defined goal of that study to maintain travel time between Wickliffe, Ky., and Cairo, Il.

This study will not prioritize a direct connection between Wickliffe and Cairo. Instead, the US 60 Connectivity Study is gathering data based on broader, regional needs and assessing potential impacts to travel, the environment, economic development as well as estimated costs to complete."
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 01, 2023, 10:35:31 AM
Overall, a new US 60 corridor is of greater benefit to Kentucky than is maintaining the current travel time between Wickliffe and Cairo. It sounds like KYTC moved the goalposts a bit to get a more desired result.

I'm not sure how far west of Paducah the four-lane US 60 extends, but that route has been incrementally widened westward the past few years.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 01, 2023, 07:28:26 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 01, 2023, 10:35:31 AM
Overall, a new US 60 corridor is of greater benefit to Kentucky than is maintaining the current travel time between Wickliffe and Cairo. It sounds like KYTC moved the goalposts a bit to get a more desired result.

I'm not sure how far west of Paducah the four-lane US 60 extends, but that route has been incrementally widened westward the past few years.

Last time I was down there (within the past 2 years), the four-lane still ended just east of Kevil. I don't recall any construction ongoing at that time.

I'll be interested to see how well they can sell the projected $1.2-1.3 billion cost, environmental impacts and so on, all in the interest of saving 10 minutes of drive time.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 01, 2023, 07:56:00 PM
A super-two bypass is being planned for Kevil extending west to La Center. Traffic counts decrease significantly west of West Paducah, but if the goal is to provide regional connectivity, a two-lane bridge west of Barlow would probably still suffice. It isn't going to provide connectivity that doesn't already exist at Cairo.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: JREwing78 on December 01, 2023, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 01, 2023, 07:28:26 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 01, 2023, 10:35:31 AM
Overall, a new US 60 corridor is of greater benefit to Kentucky than is maintaining the current travel time between Wickliffe and Cairo. It sounds like KYTC moved the goalposts a bit to get a more desired result.

I'm not sure how far west of Paducah the four-lane US 60 extends, but that route has been incrementally widened westward the past few years.

Last time I was down there (within the past 2 years), the four-lane still ended just east of Kevil. I don't recall any construction ongoing at that time.

I'll be interested to see how well they can sell the projected $1.2-1.3 billion cost, environmental impacts and so on, all in the interest of saving 10 minutes of drive time.

They could certainly sell it on economic development. This would directly connect to both the I-57 extension to Little Rock and the existing US-60 4-lane to Springfield, MO. Combine that with the W. Kentucky Parkway and you have a viable E-W path as an alternative to I-40 or I-64, one certainly worth of an Interstate shield. One could also extend this corridor further west to Wichita, KS following US-400, and maybe even farther west still.

Put this all together, and this highway would interconnect with every N-S Interstate from I-35 to I-75. It could make Paducah and Cairo major logistics hubs servicing a huge swath of the country.

If I was involved with economic development in western Kentucky, I would be schmoozing every politician I could to make this happen.

My totally fictional line on a map: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cg5D88eRgnUnDasm6
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Rothman on December 01, 2023, 09:06:24 PM
Call it...I-86...
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 01, 2023, 09:36:58 PM
Consider the example of Interstate 66, which was once proposed to extend through an area similar to Cairo.

Regarding economic development, it's important to recall Cairo's history as a logistics hub during the steamboat and ferry eras. The construction of the railroad bridge over the Ohio River, followed by two automobile bridges, marked a significant economic shift for the city. The introduction of diesel tugs, which reduced the need for layovers in Cairo, was a major blow to the local economy. Additionally, longstanding racial tensions have further complicated the city's economic challenges, leaving only a handful of industries and businesses currently operating in Cairo. It's unlikely that a new interstate would directly address these deep-rooted issues.

However, there is a positive aspect to consider: the construction of a new interstate would at least ensure a seismically sound connection between the two states. This could provide some infrastructure stability and potentially contribute to future opportunities
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on December 11, 2023, 11:52:59 AM
Finally the Leestown Road/New Circle Road DDI is starting construction. 

https://www.lex18.com/news/changes-coming-to-new-circle-road-and-leestown-road-interchange (https://www.lex18.com/news/changes-coming-to-new-circle-road-and-leestown-road-interchange)

I am assuming this also means that the New Circle Road bridges over Leestown Road and the railroad crossing before Georgetown Road will be torn down and replaced with wider structures?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 11, 2023, 03:12:51 PM
Correct - these will be replaced with wider structures with full width shoulders.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 12, 2023, 03:11:53 PM
A deadly stretch of New Circle Road is going to be redesigned with $21.7 million (https://1ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/counties/fayette-county/article282953478.html#storylink=topdigest_latest)

"The federal government has awarded Lexington nearly $22 million to make much-needed improvements to New Circle Road on the city's north side.

The project will include reconstruction of New Circle Road from Boardwalk to Bryan Station Road. It will include new interchanges. Plans also call for bike and pedestrian paths. Currently there are no pedestrian and bike paths in that area. The project will also make it more user-friendly for Lextran users.

From 2015 to 2021, that section of New Circle Road experienced the highest number of Lexington's fatal and serious injury crashes.

There were 34 fatal or severe crashes during that period. Nearly half of those — 44% — were people walking or bicycling, according to data provided by the city. More than 40,000 vehicles travel that section of road every day."

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This project entails the construction of numerous RCUT intersections at Boardwalk, Russell Cave, N. Limestone, Golden Way, shared 10' paths on one or both sides of New Circle, and pedestrian crossing enhancements throughout. It doesn't look like the road will be widened to six lanes which it sorely needs between two six-lane segments.

Project website: https://www.imaginenewcircle.org/
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on December 12, 2023, 05:55:02 PM
Those RCUTs on a busy road like New Circle will go over like a wet fart in church.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on December 12, 2023, 06:04:48 PM
Where will the new interchanges (not including RCUTS) be?  I'm assuming they are going to have Russell Cave and Broadway be SPUIs over New Circle Road like Winchester Road.  I think an original plan 20 years ago called for SPUIs to be constructed there.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 12, 2023, 06:43:04 PM
There will be no new interchanges, just RCUTs. There was a study conducted years ago, with a full freeway proposal for that half of New Circle Road, but it was just that, one of many alternatives that never came to fruition. It would be prohibitively expensive.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on December 12, 2023, 07:13:22 PM
Figures, the price tag should have been a clue. $22 million would barely cover one bridge let alone two.  Disappointing.  I feel they also cheaped out on the I64/I75 widening by not actually "widening" the road but instead restriping it and upgrading the median barrier. 
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on December 18, 2023, 01:31:22 PM
KYTC is planning to improve US 60 in the vicinity of the Rock Crusher Curve east of Olive Hill to the Interstate 64 interchange: https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictNine/Pages/US-60-Carter-Olive-Hill.aspx
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: milbfan on January 16, 2024, 10:29:10 AM
Just a gripe here...

Got off on Man O'War from I-75 in Lexington, near Hamburg Pavilion.  Greeted with an electronic sign reminding folks that it is a violation to block the intersection of a red light.  Agree, but...

Shouldn't they be talking to the traffic engineers about the clump of traffic lights on Sir Barton anyway?  Coming back out is bad, because right until the intersection with Man O'War, you have two lanes that suddenly become four.  If you're trying to get back to 75 and are in the right lane, you're hosed, unless someone is nice enough to let you in.  There is one black-and-white sign, but it isn't posted until you're almost on top of the intersection.

*stares at LPD and the traffic engineers with the anger of those caught in 1000 back-ups on US 280 in the Birmingham area.*
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on January 16, 2024, 07:16:25 PM
Other bands play, Man 'O War kills
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 16, 2024, 08:40:51 PM
Quote from: milbfan on January 16, 2024, 10:29:10 AM
Just a gripe here...

Got off on Man O'War from I-75 in Lexington, near Hamburg Pavilion.  Greeted with an electronic sign reminding folks that it is a violation to block the intersection of a red light.  Agree, but...

Shouldn't they be talking to the traffic engineers about the clump of traffic lights on Sir Barton anyway?  Coming back out is bad, because right until the intersection with Man O'War, you have two lanes that suddenly become four.  If you're trying to get back to 75 and are in the right lane, you're hosed, unless someone is nice enough to let you in.  There is one black-and-white sign, but it isn't posted until you're almost on top of the intersection.

*stares at LPD and the traffic engineers with the anger of those caught in 1000 back-ups on US 280 in the Birmingham area.*

Since 99 percent of the time, I'm leaving Lexington via I-64 east (or US 60), I avoid that mess by going north on Sir Barton to Winchester Road, and then either taking US 60 or I-64 from there.

At one time, Sir Barton was noted as "PVT" on the street signs, as it was part of a private development. I'm not sure if LFUCG took over control of that street or not. But yeah, Hamburg has always been a traffic cluster foxtrot.

Quote from: GCrites80s on January 16, 2024, 07:16:25 PM
Other bands play, Man 'O War kills

When they hit town, signals explode.



Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: GCrites on January 18, 2024, 10:44:35 PM
now every light you see is green like in Wheels of Fire
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 23, 2024, 04:29:31 PM
Kentucky's recommended highway plan has been released and is in the hands of the legislature now.

The most interesting thing I saw was a proposal to study reopening the Nolan Toll Bridge between Kentucky and West Virginia. I was under the impression that the construction of Corridor G (US 119) with its two crossings of the Kentucky/West Virginia state line had eliminated the need for the crossing at that location.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 23, 2024, 07:52:53 PM
That's interesting. It's a 13.5-mile detour to Warfield KY and Kermit WV to the north and a 4-mile detour to the south.

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Looks like the plan is located at https://transportation.ky.gov/Program-Management/Pages/default.aspx
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: madbengalsfan85 on January 24, 2024, 02:56:08 PM
So I'm guessing once they're finished with widening 64/75 between exit 113-115, southern split to 113 is the next segment
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 28, 2024, 12:40:54 PM
KYTC has released its planning study around the Smith Grove interchange of I-65: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/Smiths%20Grove%20Final%20Report.pdf

It's good to see Kentucky embrace roundabouts. In this case, the center turn lane is being eliminated by a hard barrier, with turns restricted to right-in and right-out.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: hbelkins on January 29, 2024, 11:19:14 AM
Quote from: seicer on January 28, 2024, 12:40:54 PM
KYTC has released its planning study around the Smith Grove interchange of I-65: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Planning%20Studies%20and%20Reports/Smiths%20Grove%20Final%20Report.pdf

It's good to see Kentucky embrace roundabouts. In this case, the center turn lane is being eliminated by a hard barrier, with turns restricted to right-in and right-out.

Wonder if Buc-ee's is ponying up some money for those improvements?
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on January 29, 2024, 04:55:51 PM
It looks like they will be providing funding for improvements on their side of the interchange, which includes a dedicated roundabout for their business.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: madbengalsfan85 on February 18, 2024, 02:43:24 AM
Quote from: seicer on January 29, 2024, 04:55:51 PM
It looks like they will be providing funding for improvements on their side of the interchange, which includes a dedicated roundabout for their business.

They do love their roundabouts *glares at Richmond Buc-ee's*
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 18, 2024, 10:56:17 AM
Those work surprisingly well with the amount of traffic it receives. I wish they would convert the traffic signals/stop-controlled intersections at Interstate 75 and Duncannon Road (future KY Route 52) into roundabouts.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on February 20, 2024, 08:49:45 PM
Does anyone know anything about the recent alterations they are doing to a lot of the freeway bridges with bar railings?  They seem to be getting rid of the one bar railings and turning them into modified concrete barriers.  See the I-75/I-71 south interchange below. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.876811,-84.625189,3a,75y,112.28h,100.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_68qeRWD4fo4o4LVsjxIjg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.876811,-84.625189,3a,75y,112.28h,100.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_68qeRWD4fo4o4LVsjxIjg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)

They've also done this with New Circle Road in Lexington.  Also with the I-265/I-64 interchange.

Any reason?  I personally don't care for the aesthetic.  This modified bridge railing looks incomplete and too short like this.
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on February 20, 2024, 10:22:07 PM
They just modified the KY 2 overpass over Interstate 64 in recent months, too.

The railings do not meet current FHWA standards without modifications. From my understanding, the barrier is not high enough and the protruding curb is a safety issue. I've seen these types of barriers retrofitted with traditional guardrails affixed to the protruding curb.

The tube railings are still used in places but are affixed atop contemporary concrete barriers such as this: https://maps.app.goo.gl/CJE4A1M7hTW5YrLn7
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: seicer on March 05, 2024, 02:09:47 PM
I made a several day-long trip down to south central Kentucky and got to check out some projects underway:

- US 25W is being widened to four lanes + with a median and defined access points between KY 727 west of Interstate 75 to KY 3041 (Corbin Bypass). In general, US 25W west to KY 90 could use better access management and 4' shoulders.

- US 25E on the north side of Corbin is always a hot mess of traffic and unchecked sprawl. I'm surprised the concrete pavement—original to 1968—is still around.

- There is a proposal to upgrade US 25 between Corbin and London to four lanes with partial access control at defined intersections and a (generally) depressed median - greatly needed as this is a heavily trafficked route with a high accident rate because of uncontrolled access. It includes an interchange with US 25E. Project information can be found at https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictEleven/Pages/U.S.-25-South-Leg.aspx and https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictEleven/Pages/Laurel-County---U.S.-25-North-Leg-.aspx

- KY 192 is being reconstructed between a point just west of Interstate 75 to US 25 in London. Intersections are being consolidated, and frontage/back roads are being built to reduce driveway access points. The road dates to 1979, and this will be the first overhaul of the road. Project information can be found at https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictEleven/Pages/KY-192-Project-Laurel.aspx

- I got to drive KY 30 between London and US 421 at Tyner. A one-hour drive now takes 25 minutes. The new route has four lanes for the first quarter mile before narrowing down to two lanes + truck lanes on hills for the remainder of the route. KY 30 between the Hal Rogers Parkway and KY 3094, which has partial control of access, has a widened right-of-way for four-lanes.

- The Hal Rogers Parkway (Daniel Boone Parkway) could stand for widening and better access control, especially between Interstate 75 and KY 192. There is a planning project that covers it at https://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/VE%20Study/VE202203_Hal%20Rogers.pdf, although I can't agree with all of the value engineering proposals, such as a roundabout at KY 30. A planning study begins this year to widen the Parkway to four lanes between London and Hazard.

- The Cumberland Parkway will be extended east from US 27 in Somerset towards the new KY 80/461 interchange at Shopville: https://halrogers.house.gov/2023/7/congressman-rogers-requests-45-million-for-northern-bypass-in-pulaski-county

- KY 461 has been greatly improved in the vicinity of KY 80. There is now partial access control and an RCUT interchange at Pin Oak Drive. Unfortunately, there is no full median barrier - just a paved median, although the Vaue Engineering Study called for a barrier median: https://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/VE%20Study/VE201905%20KY80%20and%20KY461%20Interchange%20and%20KY%20461%20Widening.pdf

- Construction begins this year to widen KY 461 between US 150 and Interstate 75 in Mt. Vernon, which was built in 1985 with enough right-of-way to accommodate four lanes: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Pages/Project-Details.aspx?Project=KY+461+from+US+150+to+US+25+DNA+Study
Title: Re: Kentucky
Post by: amroad17 on March 12, 2024, 11:51:18 AM
I and my wife took a road trip to visit the Elderberry Company in New Albany, IN.  I decided to write this entry in the Kentucky thread because of some "road enthusiast" items observed and completed. 

The trip was fairly uneventful as far as some road trips go.  We left around 9 am and arrived at New Albany at 10:50 am.  On I-71, I observed a new interchange built but not yet opened, Exit 20.  It shows on Google maps as LaGrange Parkway, however, it is named after someone whose name I cannot remember.  Signs are posted, which appear as if they were posted within the last week.  I then got to clinch the remaining section of I-265/IN 265/KY 841 by traveling over the Lewis and Clark Bridge (and its $5.04 toll-by-plate amount) since the Sherman Minton was closed a couple of days ago.  After purchasing some items at the Elderberry store, we walked around Pearl, Market, and Spring Streets—observing the lack of stores opened and the lack of traffic on the "broken bridge".  :D  Drove to Sellersburg, IN for lunch at the Cracker Barrel and was determined to find a way toward home without driving over the toll bridges. 

I decided to drive to Madison, IN and cross the Ohio on the Milton-Madison Bridge.  As posted in the Indiana thread, IN 56 now bypasses Madison around the north following IN 62 and US 421.  We drove the old IN 56 route into Madison.  I noticed that IN 7 ends where it used to intersect with IN 56.

After crossing into Kentucky, we took KY 36 from Milton to Carrollton—where I observed another route change.  Judging by the signage, KY 227 now ends where it intersects KY 36 just inside the southern city limits of Carrollton.  KY 36 is signed alone from there to US 42.  There is a TO KY 227 with a right arrow as one makes the turn from US 42 EB to KY 36 EB and a JCT KY 227 sign as one approaches the intersection from the north.

After getting back on I-71 NB, I decided to check out the finished Richwood road work.  The KY 338 interchange with I-75/71 is a DDI (or DDC).  The interchange with US 25 is a SPUI.  KY 338 is signed EAST-WEST here (was signed SOUTH-NORTH) which is fine since the route is East-West from here to near Rabbit Hash, where the route does become South-North.  It appears to be signed east of US 25, probably to the Richwood-Shorland intersection in the industrial area.

I also checked the progress of the Mt. Zion relocation east of US 25.  This is not yet finished as it seems as the two roundabouts were completed to their present form with traffic still two lanes.  The relocation ends about 0.25 miles west of the Bristow-Mt. Zion intersection although utility relocation has occurred around that intersection as it appears the when the next section of the project begins, the road will be relocated about 150-200 feet north of the current road. 

Traveling on Bristow north back toward Erlanger, utility relocation and tree clearing is currently underway as it appears that this section will be widened to the Mt. Zion intersection.  A welcome relief since KY 1303 (Bristow and Turkeyfoot Rds) is 4-lanes with a center turn lane from Edgewood to about 0.3 miles south of the Bristow/Turkeyfoot/Richardson intersection, where it becomes a windy two lane road next to a creek to Mt. Zion.

All in all, for a couple that does not go out as much as we used to, it was an enjoyable day of driving—a sunny, cloudless day along with a few road observations to satisfy my whims.  :thumbsup: