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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2018, 08:14:18 AM »

Do it right and build a highway that would connect Juneau to the continental highway system.
No ferry segment. 
No excuses.

Fritz Owl would put a freeway in
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2018, 09:27:13 AM »

Do it right and build a highway that would connect Juneau to the continental highway system.
No ferry segment. 
No excuses.
Fritz Owl would put a freeway in

With 8 lanes!   :clap:
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2018, 11:40:54 AM »

Methinks the critics need a hysterectomy. Fuck women get paid.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2018, 02:02:14 PM »

Do it right and build a highway that would connect Juneau to the continental highway system.
No ferry segment. 
No excuses.
Fritz Owl would put a freeway in

With 8 lanes!   :clap:

Only question is would he tunnel through the mountains or have a big Lake Ponchotrain type bridge?
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2018, 03:33:51 PM »

Methinks the critics need a hysterectomy. Fuck women get paid.

Post drunk much?
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2018, 09:33:23 PM »

Do it right and build a highway that would connect Juneau to the continental highway system.
No ferry segment. 
No excuses.
Fritz Owl would put a freeway in

With 8 lanes!   :clap:

Only question is would he tunnel through the mountains or have a big Lake Ponchotrain type bridge?

Come on.  It's Fritzowl.  You know the answer is both, plus two more freeways you haven't thought of yet.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2018, 11:55:30 PM »

Methinks the critics need a hysterectomy. Fuck women get paid.

Post drunk much?

What else would someone with hysterics need?
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2018, 05:16:16 PM »

Keep thread on topic, please.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2018, 11:00:14 PM »

You too buddy.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2018, 05:31:17 PM »

Do it right and build a highway that would connect Juneau to the continental highway system.
No ferry segment. 
No excuses.
Fritz Owl would put a freeway in

With 8 lanes!   :clap:

Only question is would he tunnel through the mountains or have a big Lake Ponchotrain type bridge?

Come on.  It's Fritzowl.  You know the answer is both, plus two more freeways you haven't thought of yet.

Why tunnel or bridge when you can have a highway over a glacier? It could star in a new reality series on the Weather Channel.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2018, 08:12:59 PM »

The ratings it would draw would put the Super Bowl and the Kardashians to shame, and then some.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2018, 08:08:17 AM »

Then maybe it is time to move the capital, if they are not going to connect Juneau to the continental highway system.

The real question is achieving Fritzowl's dream of having every capital connect to the interstate system
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2018, 10:57:24 AM »

I really never understood why the capital was in Juneau and not Anchorage or Fairbanks.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2018, 11:30:01 AM »

I really never understood why the capital was in Juneau and not Anchorage or Fairbanks.

Because in the early 20th century, when the capital was moved from Sitka (which isn't even on the mainland, but the Russians made it their colonial capital largely due to convenient ship access), southeast Alaska was where the population and many of the gold mines were.

The 1900 Alaska census summary, oddly enough, shows Nome as the most populous community in Alaska (gold was probably the reason for Nome's sudden appearance on the list, after it was left off in the 1890 census). Anchorage and Fairbanks weren't even on the list. Their population growth came later, with the construction of the Alaska Railroad, and increasingly strong military presence from World War II onward.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2018, 12:12:10 PM »

Alaska discussed moving the capital to Anchorage and it got as far as a statewide ballot proposition.  In 1974, they voted to move the capital, but it didn't have any money attached to it.  A vote for the money to carry out the move was put on the ballot in 1982, and it failed.  It matters a lot to Juneau to remain the capital, because it would pretty much vanish without it.  Most of the rest of the state doesn't care enough to spend money to move it.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2018, 12:25:20 PM »

Alaska discussed moving the capital to Anchorage and it got as far as a statewide ballot proposition.  In 1974, they voted to move the capital, but it didn't have any money attached to it.  A vote for the money to carry out the move was put on the ballot in 1982, and it failed.  It matters a lot to Juneau to remain the capital, because it would pretty much vanish without it.  Most of the rest of the state doesn't care enough to spend money to move it.

There was also a lot of reluctance to increase Anchorage's political clout, even if the capital were moved to a location at the far northern edge of the Anchorage metro area like Willow.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2018, 05:01:57 PM »

Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Michigan's is in a pretty good location though, Lansing is very close to the population center of the state.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2018, 05:02:43 PM »

Then maybe it is time to move the capital, if they are not going to connect Juneau to the continental highway system.

The real question is achieving Fritzowl's dream of having every capital connect to the interstate system
I guess we'd have to do something about Jefferson City too then.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2018, 05:17:50 PM »

Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Quick search found this:
It made sense to put Florida's capital in Tallahassee back when it was the center of the state's plantation economy.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2018, 05:47:17 PM »

Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Quick search found this:
It made sense to put Florida's capital in Tallahassee back when it was the center of the state's plantation economy.

Even moreso when it was halfway between the two capitals of East and West Florida, St. Augustine and Pensacola.  One must remember that prior to the 1920s, there was little population on the Florida peninsula itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tallahassee,_Florida
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2018, 07:21:02 PM »

Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Quick search found this:
It made sense to put Florida's capital in Tallahassee back when it was the center of the state's plantation economy.

Even moreso when it was halfway between the two capitals of East and West Florida, St. Augustine and Pensacola.  One must remember that prior to the 1920s, there was little population on the Florida peninsula itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tallahassee,_Florida

Also before air conditioning living on the Florida peninsula wasn't very pleasant.  Not that the Gulf Coast was a picnic.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2018, 08:14:34 PM »

Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Quick search found this:
It made sense to put Florida's capital in Tallahassee back when it was the center of the state's plantation economy.

Even moreso when it was halfway between the two capitals of East and West Florida, St. Augustine and Pensacola.  One must remember that prior to the 1920s, there was little population on the Florida peninsula itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tallahassee,_Florida

Also before air conditioning living on the Florida peninsula wasn't very pleasant.  Not that the Gulf Coast was a picnic.

Ditto Arizona and southern Nevada.  Prior to air conditioning, Las Vegas, NV and Phoenix, AZ were both very small places, such that the state capital of Nevada was established in much more 'livable' Carson City and Arizona did not get its star on the flag until 1912.

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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2018, 10:57:51 PM »

Carson City being Nevada's capital makes some sense. It was founded before Las Vegas and Reno and until 1950 Reno was more populated than Las Vegas. Las Vegas started booming in the 1960's and the population almost doubled in the 1990's.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2018, 12:07:59 AM »

Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Quick search found this:
It made sense to put Florida's capital in Tallahassee back when it was the center of the state's plantation economy.

Even moreso when it was halfway between the two capitals of East and West Florida, St. Augustine and Pensacola.  One must remember that prior to the 1920s, there was little population on the Florida peninsula itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tallahassee,_Florida

Also before air conditioning living on the Florida peninsula wasn't very pleasant.  Not that the Gulf Coast was a picnic.

Ditto Arizona and southern Nevada.  Prior to air conditioning, Las Vegas, NV and Phoenix, AZ were both very small places, such that the state capital of Nevada was established in much more 'livable' Carson City and Arizona did not get its star on the flag until 1912.

Carson City being Nevada's capital makes some sense. It was founded before Las Vegas and Reno and until 1950 Reno was more populated than Las Vegas. Las Vegas started booming in the 1960's and the population almost doubled in the 1990's.

Carson City ended up getting established as the state capital due to its proximity to the Comstock Lode, the giant silver mining claim that was a motivating factor in the Nevada territory becoming a state during the Civil War. It was also a major railroad hub and really was a major population center for the state at the time.

It’s also worth noting that when Nevada achieved statehood, much southern portion of the state (including the Las Vegas Valley) was still part of the Arizona Territory and was not annexed until about a year or so later. That area was not largely populated at the time.
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Re: Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project
« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2018, 04:30:04 PM »

FHWA just issued its ROD, ratifying the Governor's decision to go with the "no-build" alternative:

http://dot.alaska.gov/comm/pressbox/arch_2018/PR18-1032.shtml

Basically, the Governor would like to improve Juneau access, but thinks the avalanche and litigation risks make it hard to justify the proposed road extension and new ferry terminal in the current fiscal environment.

The press release also clarifies that one reason for all the work on updating the environmental paperwork was to avoid having to pay back Federal funds already spent on the project, rather than to set the stage for the Governor to go ahead with the project.
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