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Title: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: DTComposer on October 14, 2016, 02:50:45 PM
This is a variant on some of the freeway name threads, and if it has been discussed previously, my apologies:

In the Bay Area, there are a number of freeway names used in conversation, on news/traffic reports, etc. that are not (to the best of my knowledge) signed anywhere in the field. Most often I hear the Nimitz Freeway (I-880), Bayshore Freeway (US-101), as well as the Eastshore Freeway (I-80), MacArthur Freeway (I-580) and Junipero Serra Freeway (I-280). And as far back as I can remember (late '70s), I don't think those names ever were signed (an exception being the non-Caltrans "Junipero Serra - the World's Most Beautiful Freeway" sign that used to be on I-280 northbound somewhere around Los Altos Hills).

I do also hear the James Lick Skyway (US-101 in San Francisco) being used, but I do believe it's signed in a couple of places. Most other freeways in the area do have names, but are rarely if ever used in common parlance.

I compare this to the L.A. area, where freeway names are also often used, but those names are posted on reassurance signs, older BGS's, etc., and many of those names are also much more intuitive because they're named after destinations (Long Beach Freeway, Hollywood Freeway, etc.).

How does this compare to other metro areas?
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: TheStranger on October 14, 2016, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on October 14, 2016, 02:50:45 PM
This is a variant on some of the freeway name threads, and if it has been discussed previously, my apologies:

In the Bay Area, there are a number of freeway names used in conversation, on news/traffic reports, etc. that are not (to the best of my knowledge) signed anywhere in the field. Most often I hear the Nimitz Freeway (I-880), Bayshore Freeway (US-101), as well as the Eastshore Freeway (I-80), MacArthur Freeway (I-580) and Junipero Serra Freeway (I-280). And as far back as I can remember (late '70s), I don't think those names ever were signed (an exception being the non-Caltrans "Junipero Serra - the World's Most Beautiful Freeway" sign that used to be on I-280 northbound somewhere around Los Altos Hills).
Bayshore Freeway used to be signed off of I-280 at the Alemany Boulevard exit (in an advanced exits sign) but was recently changed to "JUNCTION US 101" about four months ago.

The Bayshore Freeway name used to be signed off of 480/Embarcadero Freeway as well.  (In SF, the Bayshore Freeway and the honorary James Lick name overlap, with Bayshore being much more familiar, having existed in the city since the late 1930s via the still-present Bayshore Boulevard)

MacArthur Freeway is signed off of I-80/I-580 westbound in Berkeley, and off of I-980.  I THINK the MacArthur name may also be signed near Castro Valley though am not sure about this.

Central Freeway is a pretty commonly used name (due to the decade or so of discussion over the fate of the western segment past Van Ness) but has never been signed in the field as far as I know.

Presidio Parkway, the new name for the reconstructed Doyle Drive portion of US 101 in the Presidio, I don't know if that name has been used much in traffic reports yet and it certainly isn't signed. 

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In Sacramento, the portion of US 50/Route 99/(former Business 80) in downtown and midtown Sacramento has been called the WX Freeway for years even though I don't think that name has ever been signed. 
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: AMLNet49 on October 14, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
Gowanus Expressway in New York. The DOT still uses the name but it is signed as part of the BQE, which doesn't start until after Brooklyn Battery Tunnel.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Darkchylde on October 14, 2016, 03:44:31 PM
Ponchartrain Expressway in New Orleans. You hear it all the time in traffic reports, but there's no signage reflecting such in the field.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Brandon on October 14, 2016, 03:52:04 PM
Calumet Expressway (I-94/IL-394) in Chicago.  It's referred to as the Bishop Ford Freeway on the radio and on the signs, but a lot of people, especially older people still refer to it as the Calumet Expressway.

Edens Spur (I-94).  The  Edens Spur is referred to as the "Edens Spur", "The Spur", or the "Spur Ramp" in conversation, but the names never appear in any signage anywhere.

Route 53 (along the I-290 stretch, I-90 to I-355).  The name "Route 53" never appears signed here (nor any other name for that matter).  IL-53 (signed as IL-53, but not "Route 53") joins I-290 between I-90 and Biesterfield Road.

Eisenhower Extension (I-290, I-355 to I-294).  Commonly called the "Eisenhower Extension" or "The Extension", the name does not appear here, nor does the Eisenhower Expressway name either (that's east of I-294).

The Feeder Ramp (Ontario/Ohio Streets from I-90/94 to Orleans Street).  A short freeway of sorts (no exit/entry ramps), the name "Feeder Ramp" never appears on any signage.  At the Kennedy (I-90/94), it's signed as "Ohio Street".
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: xcellntbuy on October 14, 2016, 05:04:57 PM
In upstate New York where I grew up, the following have not been heard, mapped or signed in decades:

Interstate 787, Riverside Arterial
Interstate 90, Northside Arterial
NY 85, Crosstown Arterial
US 9 and US 20, South Mall Expressway
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: froggie on October 14, 2016, 05:47:52 PM
The "Crosstown" (MN 62) in the Twin Cities area.  The name is still heavily used, but has not been signed since MnDOT took over the freeway from Hennepin County in 1988.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: dgolub on October 14, 2016, 07:08:52 PM
On Long Island, the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway (NY 135) is known primarily by its name but signed only by its number.  Also, the expressway portion of Sunrise Highway (NY 27) is signed by number only in most places.  The situation is so bad that a lot of Long Islanders don't even know what the route numbers are!
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: vdeane on October 14, 2016, 07:18:11 PM
Adirondack Northway for the portion to US 20; as far as NYSDOT is concerned, the Northway starts with the I-90 interchange, and the part to the south is signed as just TO I-87 and TO I-90.  Its official name isn't used often outside of NYSDOT - Fuller Road Alternate.

Alternate Route 7 *ducks*  :bigass:
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: roadman on October 14, 2016, 08:06:02 PM
The Southeast Expressway (I-93) between Boston and Braintree is still referred to as such by both locals and the traffic reporters.  However, most of the 1962-era button copy signs - which read EXPRESSWAY SOUTH, and not SOUTHEAST EXPRESSWAY - were removed as part of the 1984-1985 reconstruction project, and the remaining signs were removed when the elevated Central Artery was closed and replaced with the O'Neill Tunnel in 2006.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Buffaboy on October 15, 2016, 11:06:49 AM
I wonder if Niagara Thruway and Youngman could be added to this list. Dunno if they were ever signed.

I'll bet in 4 years Scajaquada Expressway will be in this thread.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Rothman on October 15, 2016, 11:31:56 AM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on October 14, 2016, 05:04:57 PM
In upstate New York where I grew up, the following have not been heard, mapped or signed in decades:

Interstate 787, Riverside Arterial
Interstate 90, Northside Arterial
NY 85, Crosstown Arterial
US 9 and US 20, South Mall Expressway

Hm.  Wasn't NY 7 around NY 5 also called a Crosstown something-or-other?
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: xcellntbuy on October 15, 2016, 12:06:48 PM
Yes, it still is.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: txstateends on October 15, 2016, 01:39:58 PM
The only one I know of like this is the part of US 81-US 287 NW of the split with I-35W in north Fort Worth.  Local traffic reporters keep calling it the "Decatur Cutoff", when there's been no mapped or signed reference to such a name, AFAIK.  I think it's only been named with the US route numbers since it was built.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 17, 2016, 01:04:44 PM
Maryland's John Hanson Highway (U.S. 50 and partly U.S. 301) is still called that on  traffic reports, even though all of the signs are long gone.  In part to distinguish it from U.S. 50 in D.C. (mostly New York Avenue) and especially U.S. 50 in Northern Virginia (Arlington Boulevard).

The InterCounty Connector (MD-200) is still called by  its name, even though all signs read simply TOLL MD-200.

Sadly, Virginia's Henry G. Shirley Memorial Highway seems to have entirely disappeared, now it's just I-95 or I-395.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Pink Jazz on October 17, 2016, 01:25:29 PM
When I lived in Virginia Beach there were some people who still referred to the former VA 44 (now part of I-264) as the "Expressway" or "Toll Road" even after the tolls were removed and the VA 44 designation was eliminated.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: TheStranger on October 17, 2016, 01:30:26 PM
Speaking of the Metroplex...is the Dallas-Fort Worth Turnpike name for today's I-30 still in common usage?
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: kphoger on October 17, 2016, 01:34:13 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 14, 2016, 03:52:04 PM
IL-53 (signed as IL-53, but not "Route 53") joins I-290 between I-90 and Biesterfield Road.

FWIW, the word "route" seems to be the way state highways are referred to in Illinois speech, whereas US highways are sometimes called "route" and sometimes called "highway".  That's just my observation, anyway.




In Wichita, I-135 is referred to as the Canal Route, often even at points where it is not elevated above the canal; it is nowhere signed as such.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: cl94 on October 17, 2016, 02:04:16 PM
Alternate 7. Hear that one daily.

Contrary to popular belief, the Northway is signed as such along US 20 and up in Essex County
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: vdeane on October 17, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
It's kinda ambiguous, since neither BGS on US 20 has TO banners for any of the shields, even though all of them should have them.  Looks to me like the sign is trying to say "take this ramp to get to the Northway" (which is how NYSDOT considers it), not "this ramp is called the Northway".  In any case, I wasn't referring to the Northway in Essex County, just the Fuller Road Alternate portion.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: TheStranger on October 17, 2016, 02:13:18 PM
Has the "Blue Route" moniker ever been signed on I-476 in metro Philly?

I'm fascinated equally as much by "route names that were never signed but are in usage" (i.e. the Decatur Cutoff mentioned earlier) as I am with "commonly used route names that are no longer signed."
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Rothman on October 17, 2016, 03:06:07 PM
Quote from: cl94 on October 17, 2016, 02:04:16 PM
Alternate 7. Hear that one daily.

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Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: jbnv on October 17, 2016, 03:37:58 PM
Quote from: Darkchylde on October 14, 2016, 03:44:31 PM
Ponchartrain Expressway in New Orleans. You hear it all the time in traffic reports, but there's no signage reflecting such in the field.

If we're counting parts of freeways, then you can include the Highrise and the Twin Spans.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: cl94 on October 17, 2016, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 17, 2016, 03:06:07 PM
Quote from: cl94 on October 17, 2016, 02:04:16 PM
Alternate 7. Hear that one daily.

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I knew someone here would have that reaction. There was a major fatal accident last week involving some idiot who drove through the median and every report called it "Alternate 7".
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 17, 2016, 04:42:55 PM
The US 12/14/18/151 freeway in my city has always been called "The Beltline." I don't think it has ever been signposted as such. Does that still count?
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: epzik8 on October 17, 2016, 04:49:42 PM
The John F. Kennedy Memorial Highway, which is I-95 between the I-895 merge/split just outside of Baltimore and the Delaware state line. I consider it my home stretch of Interstate.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Pete from Boston on October 17, 2016, 06:32:32 PM
If you count conversations only had involving public officials, "Boston Extension" could go on this list. The Mass Pike was originally built to Route 128 in the 50s, then extended into Boston in the 60s.  Old maps mention the Massachusetts Turnpike extension, but most people make no distinction at this point.  Especially because it is handled under a separate cost center than the rest of the turnpike, there are numerous references to the Extension made in hearings and other discussions with state transportation officials.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Pete from Boston on October 17, 2016, 06:34:54 PM
Was there ever any signed reference to the Bergen Viaduct in Hudson County, New Jersey?  There isn't now, and the phrase itself is rarely used, but it lingers on in traffic reports and the like.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: freebrickproductions on October 17, 2016, 06:50:19 PM
People will still sometimes call AL 255 (Research Park Boulevard) "Rideout Road".

SM-G900V

Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Brian556 on October 18, 2016, 12:51:34 AM
Quote from the Stranger:
Speaking of the Metroplex...is the Dallas-Fort Worth Turnpike name for today's I-30 still in common usage? (//http://#039;s%20I-30%20still%20in%20common%20usage?)

I don't hear it anymore. There were street name signs in Dallas that said DFW Turnpike way past when it became I-30. They were not changed until it became Tom Landry Highway
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: roadman on October 18, 2016, 12:43:13 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 17, 2016, 06:32:32 PM
If you count conversations only had involving public officials, "Boston Extension" could go on this list. The Mass Pike was originally built to Route 128 in the 50s, then extended into Boston in the 60s.  Old maps mention the Massachusetts Turnpike extension, but most people make no distinction at this point.  Especially because it is handled under a separate cost center than the rest of the turnpike, there are numerous references to the Extension made in hearings and other discussions with state transportation officials.
I remember when traffic reporters in the Boston area used to refer to this section of the Turnpike as "the Extension."
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: PHLBOS on October 18, 2016, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: roadman on October 14, 2016, 08:06:02 PM
The Southeast Expressway (I-93) between Boston and Braintree is still referred to as such by both locals and the traffic reporters.  However, most of the 1962-era button copy signs - which read EXPRESSWAY SOUTH, and not SOUTHEAST EXPRESSWAY - were removed as part of the 1984-1985 reconstruction project, and the remaining signs were removed when the elevated Central Artery was closed and replaced with the O'Neill Tunnel in 2006.
IIRC, the old button-copy signs along the Artery were changed sometime during the late 80s (just prior to US 1 being rerouted onto I-93).  The newer BGS' were lower-profile signs and utilized the original overhead gantries.

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Quote from: TheStranger on October 17, 2016, 02:13:18 PM
Has the "Blue Route" moniker ever been signed on I-476 in metro Philly?
No.

Quote from: roadman on October 18, 2016, 12:43:13 PMI remember when traffic reporters in the Boston area used to refer to this section of the Turnpike as "the Extension."
:confused: I thought they still referred to it as such.

I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned the Canton-to-Braintree stretch of I-93 still being referred to as Route 128.

In Philadelphia, many refer to I-76 as the Schuylkill Expressway even though it hasn't been signed as such for decades; the last button-copy entrance ramp signs (at PA 291) that listed Schuylkill Expressway NORTH for I-76 westbound was taken down just over a decade ago.

Traffic reporters in the Delaware Valley refer to the short stretch of I-76 in NJ (from the Walt Whitman bridge to I-295) as Route 42.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: TheStranger on October 18, 2016, 01:52:58 PM
I've seen mentioned on this forum before that I-90 between the Shoreway and I-71 is often referred to as "I-71" by locals (it was proposed in the 1950s as such before the segment of 90 that continued west from the Shoreway towards the existing freeway in Lakewood was canceled).  Is that still the case in 2016?

Quote from: PHLBOSTraffic reporters in the Delaware Valley refer to the short stretch of I-76 in NJ (from the Walt Whitman bridge to I-295) as Route 42.

Was that portion of 76 ever part of Route 42, or was it built as I-76?
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: jakeroot on October 18, 2016, 02:41:43 PM
The 167 south of Seattle is almost always referred to as the Valley Freeway, but there are only a handful of official references to this name (this (http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/projects/sr167/) is the only one I know of)

AFAIK, the freeway was constructed under the guise of "Valley Freeway"; a couple of route number changes over the years likely increased the popularity of the name (the only unchanged thing about the freeway since opening).
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Rothman on October 18, 2016, 03:29:33 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 17, 2016, 06:32:32 PM
If you count conversations only had involving public officials, "Boston Extension" could go on this list. The Mass Pike was originally built to Route 128 in the 50s, then extended into Boston in the 60s.  Old maps mention the Massachusetts Turnpike extension, but most people make no distinction at this point.  Especially because it is handled under a separate cost center than the rest of the turnpike, there are numerous references to the Extension made in hearings and other discussions with state transportation officials.

Huh.  When I was a kid in the 1980s, to hear about "The Extension" was still commonplace.  Not so sure about now, but the term lingered for a long time.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: coatimundi on October 18, 2016, 03:47:37 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 17, 2016, 01:30:26 PM
Speaking of the Metroplex...is the Dallas-Fort Worth Turnpike name for today's I-30 still in common usage?

I was actually going to mention this. I believe some people do, though Texans really love emphasizing "IH" when they refer to interstates, so I'm not sure they could get past that.

Similarly, US 36 is still called "Boulder Turnpike" by some. Ironically, after removing the tolls something like 30 years ago, they added HOT lanes just last year. So it's once again tolled.

The little stub that connects US 51 with the northwest portion of I-240 in Memphis (future I-69) is referred to, by traffic reporters and most of the public in Memphis, as the "101 connector". It goes back to a number for a federal aid bill, which is pretty weird.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Kacie Jane on October 18, 2016, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2016, 02:41:43 PMAFAIK, the freeway was constructed under the guise of "Valley Freeway"; a couple of route number changes over the years likely increased the popularity of the name (the only unchanged thing about the freeway since opening).

Error.  North of Auburn (the section most commonly referred to as the Valley Freeway), the highway has always been SR 167.  (Well, okay, "always" since 1964 when the current set of numbers was first assigned.)  This section is also where the first sections of freeway were completed.  South of there, what is now SR 167 was US/SR 410 from Tacoma to Sumner, and SR 163 from Sumner to Auburn.  But these sections were changed to 167 in the early 70s, several years before the freeway in that area was completed.

Conclusions:
(1) Not "a couple" of route number changes "over the years".  No section of road changed number more than once (twice if you count the switch from PSH to SR numbers in 1964), and not in the past 40+ years.
(2) Even if you want to count 1964 and the early 70s as "a couple" of route number changes "over the years", that's before the Valley Freeway was a thing.  Any section of road that became part of the Valley Freeway has been part of SR 167 at least as long as it's been a freeway.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: jakeroot on October 18, 2016, 04:35:29 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 18, 2016, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2016, 02:41:43 PMAFAIK, the freeway was constructed under the guise of "Valley Freeway"; a couple of route number changes over the years likely increased the popularity of the name (the only unchanged thing about the freeway since opening).

[snip]

Ah, I see. I knew there were some route number changes in the south sound; sort of guessed for the rest. Thanks for the info.

This image from the Tacoma Public Library sums up the freeway numbers pretty well:

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Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: roadman on October 18, 2016, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 18, 2016, 01:03:16 PM
IIRC, the old button-copy signs along the Artery were changed sometime during the late 80s (just prior to US 1 being rerouted onto I-93).  The newer BGS' were lower-profile signs and utilized the original overhead gantries.

The elevated Artery sign replacement was done in late 1988-early 1989.  The replacement signs, using 13.33/10" mixed-case legend, were taller and wider than the 1962 button copy signs, which used 10" uppercase legend.  Many of the 1962 installations had three signs per gantry, whereas the 1988 replacements were generally limited to two signs per gantry - this was to minimize possible loading issues with the gantries, which were welded box beams that were hollow inside.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: PHLBOS on October 18, 2016, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 18, 2016, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: PHLBOSTraffic reporters in the Delaware Valley refer to the short stretch of I-76 in NJ (from the Walt Whitman bridge to I-295) as Route 42.

Was that portion of 76 ever part of Route 42, or was it built as I-76?
Answer to the first part of your question is "I don't believe so."; but such might have been originally planned as such.

The wiki accounts on this (as least in terms of route number history) are a bit sketchy; but in a nutshell:

The North-South Freeway (which covers I-676, I-76 & NJ 42) was originally planned as a parkway circa the 1930s and may have been envisioned as the new, relocated Route 42 (the original Route 42 ran along the Black Horse Pike (current NJ 168) at the time).  By the time highway construction began, from the late 50s through the late 70s depending on segment; the portion north of I-295 was already designated as part of the Interstate system.  Originally, all the North-South Freeway from I-295 to the Ben Franklin Bridge was to become I-80S with the Walt Whitman Bridge becoming I-680.  Both would later change to I-76 & 676 respectively circa 1964.  During the early 70s, I-76 & 676 northwest of the Gloucester City split swapped identities to their current designations. 

Note: most of what is now known as I-676 in Camden wasn't completed until the early 1980s.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Bickendan on October 18, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
For Oregon:
I-5: Baldock Freeway, Eastshore Freeway, Minnesota Freeway; officially, it's all Pacific Hwy -- very rarely referred to by any of its names
OR 18: Salmon River Hwy; no reason for its use
US 20: (Albany-Santiam Pass portion) Santiam Hwy (this one's actually signed, and ISN'T a freeway!) -- outside Santiam Hwy, I doubt any of its names are known
OR 22: (Salem-Stayton/Sublimity portion) North Santiam Hwy -- no reason to believe it's referred to by its name(s)
US 26: (Seaside-Portland) Sunset Hwy -- common parlance, even the Mt Hood Hwy portion
I-82: McNary Hwy -- not reffered by name
I-84/US 30: Banfield Expwy/Frwy; officially Columbia River Hwy and Old Oregon Trail -- Banfield in occasional use, other two no.
US 97: Bend Parkway; officially The Dalles-California Hwy -- probably just called 'the Parkway'
OR 99W/OR 18?: Newberg-Dundee Bypass -- still under construction, it'll probably just end up being called 'the Bypass'
OR 99E: (Milwaukie-Portland) McGloughlin Blvd -- common parlance
I-105/OR 126: Eugene-Springfield Frwy -- no reason to believe it's used
US 199: Redwood Hwy; signed as such, no idea if referred to in common parlance
I-205: War Veteran's Memorial Hwy; officially East Portland Freeway -- War Veteran's signed, referred to just as 205
OR 217: Beaverton-Tigard Freeway; once in a blue moon
OR 224: Milwaukie Expressway; very occasionally
I-405: Stadium Freeway; surprisingly often, which is to say not as often as the Sunset or Banfield
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: jakeroot on October 18, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on October 18, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
For Oregon:

[staggering amount of names]

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I gotta hand it to Oregon. If there's one thing they do way better than Washington, it's keeping the original highway names.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: vtk on October 18, 2016, 06:21:12 PM
In Columbus:

The Outerbelt (I-270; commonly used; also named Jack Nicklaus Freeway and maybe that's on a supplemental sign or two but nobody calls it that; can be prefixed with a direction word to specify which side of town)

North Freeway, South Freeway, East Freeway, West Freeway (I-71 & I-70 outside of downtown; infrequently used, nowhere signed)

The Innerbelt (box of freeways formed by I-70, I-71, I-670, OH 315; infrequently used, nowhere signed except for a handful of tiny, ancient location reference markers; can be prefixed with a direction word to specify which side of the box)

Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: lepidopteran on October 18, 2016, 10:55:20 PM
Also in MD, I think State Route 3 used to be signed as "Crain Highway", though admittedly, I've heard very few people ever refer to it as that.  But lots of folks call MD-2 "Ritchie Highway", though it's really signed as "Gov(ernor) Ritchie Highway".

At least in its pre-Interstate days, part of I-97 and the I-895 spur were called the "Glen Burnie Bypass".  There was a green identifying sign on the flyover ramp where the spur breaks off the main route up until maybe 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: wanderer2575 on October 18, 2016, 11:24:24 PM
Metro Detroit has several names used in conversation and in traffic reports:  I-75 Chrysler Freeway (not be be confused with I-75 Fisher Freeway; the route changes freeways through an interchange on the east side of town), I-94 Ford Freeway, M-10 Lodge Freeway, and I-696 Reuther Freeway. 

Michigan has largely moved away from including freeway names on BGSs and other signage, although a couple exceptions here and there (some of the new signs installed on I-75 a few years ago for the interchange at I-94, and some signs for M-8 Davison Freeway).  And the one big exception in Detroit has always been M-39 -- it has never had any control cities and all BGSs on intersecting freeways say it's the Southfield Freeway.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: JasonOfORoads on October 19, 2016, 12:26:50 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on October 18, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
For Oregon:
I-5: Baldock Freeway, Eastshore Freeway, Minnesota Freeway; officially, it's all Pacific Hwy -- very rarely referred to by any of its names

It was also the Portland-Salem Expressway for a little while in the 1950s. I've never heard it referred to as such, probably because I was born in the 1980s. It's called "I-5" or "5" -- calling it "the 5" is a dead giveaway that you're from out of town... or a California transplant.

Quote from: Bickendan on October 18, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
US 26: (Seaside-Portland) Sunset Hwy -- common parlance, even the Mt Hood Hwy portion

However, this is "the Sunset", but I've also heard and used "Sunset Highway"/"the Sunset Highway". It's also rarely "eastbound" or "westbound" -- usually, eastbound is "inbound" and westbound is "outbound", with Portland being the obvious reference to the in/out.

I've always just called the portion east of Portland "26" or "Highway 26". Within Portland, its called the Ross Island Bridge and Powell Blvd. -- never by its number.

Had the Mt. Hood Freeway been built, it likely would've been called that instead any route number it would have.

Quote from: Bickendan on October 18, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
I-84/US 30: Banfield Expwy/Frwy; officially Columbia River Hwy and Old Oregon Trail -- Banfield in occasional use, other two no.

I'd say "Banfield" is at "Sunset"-level amount of awareness. Traffic reports always call it "the Banfield". Like the Sunset, the Banfield shares the inbound/outbound designation, though inbound is west and outbound is east, again in reference to Portland. I occasionally hear inbound and outbound used for the portion east of 205 that isn't the Banfield.

If you refer to the "Columbia River Highway", you're describing the windy 2-lane Historic Columbia River Highway, and only the portion from Troutdale to Hood River.

Quote from: Bickendan on October 18, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
OR 99W/OR 18?: Newberg-Dundee Bypass -- still under construction, it'll probably just end up being called 'the Bypass'

I've only ever heard "the Dundee Bypass" because that's the town that caused the backups that necessitated the bypass in the first place.

Quote from: Bickendan on October 18, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
OR 99E: (Milwaukie-Portland) McGloughlin Blvd -- common parlance

99E is pretty much called by its street names between North Portland and Oregon City. Within Portland it's either Grand or MLK depending on direction of travel, and south to Oregon City is McLoughlin Blvd. I think it's just called "99E" -- "ninety-nine e" -- south of there to Salem.

Quote from: Bickendan on October 18, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
I-105/OR 126: Eugene-Springfield Frwy -- no reason to believe it's used

I think it used to have a street-name freeway in its early days. I forget what it was.

Quote from: Bickendan on October 18, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
OR 217: Beaverton-Tigard Freeway; once in a blue moon

I don't think I've ever heard it called that. It was always "217" or "Highway 217" to me. Maybe a generation ago?

Back when it ran on city streets bn, it was likely just called "Hall Blvd.", "Durham Rd.", or "Boones Ferry Rd."

Quote from: Bickendan on October 18, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
I-405: Stadium Freeway; surprisingly often, which is to say not as often as the Sunset or Banfield

Yeah, it's used in traffic reports all the time. I only occasionally hear "405".

Some other non-freeway designations in the area:
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: PHLBOS on October 19, 2016, 09:06:59 AM
Quote from: roadman on October 18, 2016, 04:44:58 PMThe elevated Artery sign replacement was done in late 1988-early 1989.
The only reason why I commented regarding the old Artery signs was due to your earlier post (see below) on such gave the impression that the old 1962-era signs (weren't some of them older?) were still standing until the O'Neill Tunnel replaced the Central Artery.

Quote from: roadman on October 14, 2016, 08:06:02 PMThe Southeast Expressway (I-93) between Boston and Braintree is still referred to as such by both locals and the traffic reporters.  However, most of the 1962-era button copy signs - which read EXPRESSWAY SOUTH, and not SOUTHEAST EXPRESSWAY - were removed as part of the 1984-1985 reconstruction project, and the remaining signs were removed when the elevated Central Artery was closed and replaced with the O'Neill Tunnel in 2006.
Rereading the above, I'm assuming that you were likely referring to the viaduct between the Pike/South Station Tunnel and just north of Mass Ave.; which was actually named the Pulaski Skyway but never referred to as such.  While such may have been considered part of the Central Artery (& Fitzgerald Expressway) system; most people only refer to the elevated green steel road north of South Station as the Central Artery. 

Given that that particular viaduct (Pulaski Skyway) was neglected so much (in anticipation of the Big Dig roads replacing it); it doesn't surprise me at all that the older signs remained until the very end.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 19, 2016, 10:52:53 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on October 18, 2016, 10:55:20 PM
Also in MD, I think State Route 3 used to be signed as "Crain Highway", though admittedly, I've heard very few people ever refer to it as that.  But lots of folks call MD-2 "Ritchie Highway", though it's really signed as "Gov(ernor) Ritchie Highway".

There are plenty of street name blade signs installed by  Anne Arundel County that sign MD-3 as Crain Highway.  Also MD-3 Business (which no longer has any connection to its parent) in Glen Burnie is Crain Highway.  The name Crain Highway extends south across Prince George's County (as MD-3 and U.S. 301) and then across Charles County to the Harry Nice Bridge.  There's also an Old Crain Highway (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.7917809,-76.7816234/Old+Crain+Hwy,+Upper+Marlboro,+MD+20772/@38.7987282,-76.7895893,14z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7941f1e606abd:0xb905f3a053fc1554!2m2!1d-76.7540074!2d38.8155899!3e0) south of Upper Marlboro.

Quote from: lepidopteran on October 18, 2016, 10:55:20 PM
At least in its pre-Interstate days, part of I-97 and the I-895 spur were called the "Glen Burnie Bypass".  There was a green identifying sign on the flyover ramp where the spur breaks off the main route up until maybe 10 years ago.

Correct. The old (pre-I-97) Glen Burnie Bypass was signed as MD-3 and ran from I-895B; I-895A; past I-695 in the north to the old at-grade intersection at MD-3 Business.  South of there it was an arterial highway.

Fun fact: Crain Highway is named for Robert S. Crain (http://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/speccol/sc3500/sc3520/014000/014014/html/14014bio.html), a Charles County lawyer who worked for and lobbied for a new highway from Southern Maryland to Baltimore.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: ChiMilNet on October 19, 2016, 06:06:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 17, 2016, 01:34:13 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 14, 2016, 03:52:04 PM
IL-53 (signed as IL-53, but not "Route 53") joins I-290 between I-90 and Biesterfield Road.

FWIW, the word "route" seems to be the way state highways are referred to in Illinois speech, whereas US highways are sometimes called "route" and sometimes called "highway".  That's just my observation, anyway.


The reason this stretch is sometimes referred to as "Route 53" is that IL-53 did, in fact, run the entire length of this segment at one point. Prior to the tolled section of I-355 opening in 1989, IL-53 went the entire distance from Dundee Road to Army Trail Road, where it exited and resumed its surface road alignment. After the original portion of the I-355 tollway opened, IL-53 was re-routed back to it's original (pre-expressway) alignment south of Biesterfield Road. Why this was done rather than keep IL-53 on the entire free portion of this route does baffle me a bit, but that was IDOT's decision. Might have been for reasons of redundancy, or to better indicate an alternate option to travelers in the event of a backup or something.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: thenetwork on October 20, 2016, 01:42:45 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 18, 2016, 01:52:58 PM
I've seen mentioned on this forum before that I-90 between the Shoreway and I-71 is often referred to as "I-71" by locals (it was proposed in the 1950s as such before the segment of 90 that continued west from the Shoreway towards the existing freeway in Lakewood was canceled).  Is that still the case in 2016?

I've always heard it as just "The Innerbelt" (between I-71/I-490/SR-176 and Dead Mans Curve/SR-2).  Depending where you are entering the Innerbelt/I-90 Westbound, signage marks it as either I-90 or a combination of I-90, I-71 and I-77.  It may have briefly been referred as only I-71 when that was the only Interstate connecting to the Innerbelt at the time in 1967 -- I-90 was not "finished" on the west side until the late 70's/early '80s and therefore did not connect with the west end of the Innerbelt until then.  That also may explain why to this day I-90 from DMC to Euclid is still just called the East Shoreway, and then the Euclid Spur between SR-2 and I-271.

Quote from: wanderer2575 on October 18, 2016, 11:24:24 PM

Metro Detroit has several names used in conversation and in traffic reports:  I-75 Chrysler Freeway (not be be confused with I-75 Fisher Freeway; the route changes freeways through an interchange on the east side of town), I-94 Ford Freeway, M-10 Lodge Freeway, and I-696 Reuther Freeway. 

Michigan has largely moved away from including freeway names on BGSs and other signage, although a couple exceptions here and there (some of the new signs installed on I-75 a few years ago for the interchange at I-94, and some signs for M-8 Davison Freeway).  And the one big exception in Detroit has always been M-39 -- it has never had any control cities and all BGSs on intersecting freeways say it's the Southfield Freeway.

The Reuther Freeway moniker never caught on by name, even though there were plenty of signs for it -- probably because the first sections of I-696 were completed long before it was fully opened (and officially named the Reuther), so the number was always used.

On the flip side, The Davison Freeway name was around forever before they added the M-8 shield, and is probably still used on the BGSs to differentiate it between the Freeway portion and the Davison Avenue portions on either end.  Same goes with the Southfield Freeway with Southfield Road on either end of the freeway, although the M-39 route has always been there between the I-696/M-10 and I-75/M-85 areas.

As far as the other highways (I-75/I-94/I-96/I-275/I-375/M-10), since they are all full freeways, their namesakes were dropped from most freeway signage, except for I-275 which never had any to begin with.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Bickendan on October 20, 2016, 05:23:04 AM
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on October 19, 2016, 12:26:50 AM
[snip]

Some other non-freeway designations in the area:

  • OR-224/Sunrise Expressway - This just opened. I think it's called the "Sunrise Expressway," but I don't know for sure.
  • OR-99W - The former portion from Portland to Tigard was called "Barbur Blvd." I've also heard "Pacific Highway" and "99W" -- "ninety-nine w" from Tigard southward.
  • Pretty much any state/US route that runs on city streets is called by its street name, almost never by its number.
  • At least in the Portland area, "the freeway" means any freeway or freeways you could use to get to where you need to go. If I'm in Troutdale and need to go to Oregon City or Beaverton, I'd say I need to take the freeway to those places, despite needing to take multiple freeways to get there. When giving directions, "the freeway" is the closest freeway to where you are.
  • And again -- if you use "the (number)" for any freeway, you might as well hold up a sign saying "transplant".
I've been in Oregon since 1989, and I'll call it "the x", lol

The nice thing about Oregon highways is that they're all named, even if it's an uninspired name like the Amity-Dayton Highway. The names just correspond with the internal highway numbers opposed to the signed route numbers.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: bzakharin on October 20, 2016, 02:59:48 PM
I-676 in Philadelphia is also not signed as The Vine Expressway. Other examples in that area are "The Boulevard Extension" for part of US 1 and (I've only heard this one once in a traffic report) "The Superhighway" for another part of US 1.

Regarding the 42 freeway, it's not exactly what the "North-South Freeway" was (is?) since the former follows I-76 to the Walt Whitman Bridge, while the latter follows I-676.

Regarding the Blue Route, how did this name seep into the public consciousness given that none of the other colored routes were ever built? Were the various color alternatives ever published in a widely used public map?
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: PHLBOS on October 20, 2016, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on October 20, 2016, 02:59:48 PMRegarding the 42 freeway, it's not exactly what the "North-South Freeway" was (is?) since the former follows I-76 to the Walt Whitman Bridge, while the latter follows I-676.
See my previous post regarding the North-South Freeway.  When it was originally planned, it was intended to be one route (Relocated Route 42); but a thing called the Interstate Highway Act of 1956 happened prior to the highway being actually built. 

Quote from: bzakharin on October 20, 2016, 02:59:48 PMRegarding the Blue Route, how did this name seep into the public consciousness given that none of the other colored routes were ever built? Were the various color alternatives ever published in a widely used public map?
The color-coded corridors in the planning documents that were available to the general public at the time were treated in the same way that alternative/scheme proposal designations are in other highway/rail corridor proposals (i.e. Alternate 1A or Scheme Z).  One & only one corridor was to be selected.  Obviously, the blue corridor (or blue route) was the one that was ultimately chosen.

One reason why the name lingered was due to the fact that construction of most of the highway was delayed about 15 years.  All of it was originally planned to be completed by 1976.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Pete from Boston on October 22, 2016, 07:10:01 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 18, 2016, 03:29:33 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 17, 2016, 06:32:32 PM
If you count conversations only had involving public officials, "Boston Extension" could go on this list. The Mass Pike was originally built to Route 128 in the 50s, then extended into Boston in the 60s.  Old maps mention the Massachusetts Turnpike extension, but most people make no distinction at this point.  Especially because it is handled under a separate cost center than the rest of the turnpike, there are numerous references to the Extension made in hearings and other discussions with state transportation officials.

Huh.  When I was a kid in the 1980s, to hear about "The Extension" was still commonplace.  Not so sure about now, but the term lingered for a long time.


It has waned considerably, along with "128." 

Even "Mass Pike" has lost a little ground among waves of newcomers to "Ninety."
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: SignBridge on October 22, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
And in neighboring Connecticut the Connecticut Turnpike abolished their tolls about 30 years ago. Nowadays it's only signed as I-95 and I think that's what most people call it.

Also the Merritt Parkway is signed as Ct-15, but I believe it is still widely known as the Merritt Parkway. 
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: thenetwork on October 23, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 22, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
And in neighboring Connecticut the Connecticut Turnpike abolished their tolls about 30 years ago. Nowadays it's only signed as I-95 and I think that's what most people call it.

Also the Merritt Parkway is signed as Ct-15, but I believe it is still widely known as the Merritt Parkway. 

Same with US-36 and the Boulder Turnpike in Denver.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: vdeane on October 23, 2016, 05:45:45 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 22, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
And in neighboring Connecticut the Connecticut Turnpike abolished their tolls about 30 years ago. Nowadays it's only signed as I-95 and I think that's what most people call it.

Also the Merritt Parkway is signed as Ct-15, but I believe it is still widely known as the Merritt Parkway. 
The Merritt Parkway is still signed in its own right too.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: cl94 on October 23, 2016, 06:07:09 PM
The Merritt is definitely signed. Shields that look like the US Route shield.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: SignBridge on October 23, 2016, 08:16:04 PM
Okay thanks; I stand corrected.  :spin:
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: coldshoulder on October 23, 2016, 08:39:52 PM
This one (Ohio 711) very close to me in the Youngstown-Girard area in Northeastern Ohio I don't think was ever actually signed as such, but it is commonly referred to as "The 711 Connector". 

Likely because the newest 2-mile stretch, opened in 2004, had been on the books as a proposed project for over 40 years, and had never been completed.  The entire 711 freeway is only about 3 miles long, connecting Youngstown to Ohio 11-North and ultimately the city of Warren, along with I-80 East.  At its southerly terminus it intersects with I-680, with access to Cleveland, and especially  Pittsburgh and other points south.

This has also been occasionally referred to in print, incorrectly, as "The '7-11' Connector".

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.13271,-80.6653607,4649m/data=!3m1!1e3





Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: plain on October 23, 2016, 08:48:38 PM
I've heard some old heads still call I-95 between Richmond and Petersburg "The Turnpike" even though tolls have been gone for 25 years now. And most maps (including Google) still has it labeled as Richmond Petersburg Tpk.

Most maps also has the Connecticut Tpk. labeled as such.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 23, 2016, 09:17:54 PM
Quote from: plain on October 23, 2016, 08:48:38 PM
I've heard some old heads still call I-95 between Richmond and Petersburg "The Turnpike" even though tolls have been gone for 25 years now. And most maps (including Google) still has it labeled as Richmond Petersburg Tpk.

I believe the current official VDOT map still labels it as the RTP.

Quote from: plain on October 23, 2016, 08:48:38 PM
Most maps also has the Connecticut Tpk. labeled as such.

WCBS-880 traffic reports routinely call it the Connecticut Turnpike and not I-95.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: cl94 on October 23, 2016, 09:24:09 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 23, 2016, 09:17:54 PM
WCBS-880 traffic reports routinely call it the Connecticut Turnpike and not I-95.

Everyone I've heard talk about that road refers to it as the Turnpike, lack of tolls be damned.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: 1995hoo on October 23, 2016, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 23, 2016, 09:17:54 PM
Quote from: plain on October 23, 2016, 08:48:38 PM
I've heard some old heads still call I-95 between Richmond and Petersburg "The Turnpike" even though tolls have been gone for 25 years now. And most maps (including Google) still has it labeled as Richmond Petersburg Tpk.

I believe the current official VDOT map still labels it as the RTP.

....

Not on the latest one, unless I'm overlooking something. (http://www.virginiadot.org/travel/maps-state.asp) (I haven't picked up a new paper Virginia map in at least ten years.)
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: plain on October 23, 2016, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 23, 2016, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 23, 2016, 09:17:54 PM
Quote from: plain on October 23, 2016, 08:48:38 PM
I've heard some old heads still call I-95 between Richmond and Petersburg "The Turnpike" even though tolls have been gone for 25 years now. And most maps (including Google) still has it labeled as Richmond Petersburg Tpk.

I believe the current official VDOT map still labels it as the RTP.

....

Not on the latest one, unless I'm overlooking something. (http://www.virginiadot.org/travel/maps-state.asp) (I haven't picked up a new paper Virginia map in at least ten years.)

I haven't picked up the state issued map in a few years either.. I was wondering about that. Are they still available at the rest areas?
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: cl94 on October 23, 2016, 11:02:33 PM
Quote from: plain on October 23, 2016, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 23, 2016, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 23, 2016, 09:17:54 PM
Quote from: plain on October 23, 2016, 08:48:38 PM
I've heard some old heads still call I-95 between Richmond and Petersburg "The Turnpike" even though tolls have been gone for 25 years now. And most maps (including Google) still has it labeled as Richmond Petersburg Tpk.

I believe the current official VDOT map still labels it as the RTP.

....

Not on the latest one, unless I'm overlooking something. (http://www.virginiadot.org/travel/maps-state.asp) (I haven't picked up a new paper Virginia map in at least ten years.)

I haven't picked up the state issued map in a few years either.. I was wondering about that. Are they still available at the rest areas?

Not marked on the current map. I have a paper copy. They are at the welcome centers.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: 1995hoo on October 24, 2016, 07:31:50 AM
BTW, I believe the VDOT building at the VA-10 exit retains the "Richmond—Petersburg Turnpike" sign on the outside.

If you said "RTP" these days, some people would associate it with the Research Triangle Park in North Carolina, a tad over two hours south of Petersburg.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: PHLBOS on October 24, 2016, 11:44:58 AM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 22, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
And in neighboring Connecticut the Connecticut Turnpike abolished their tolls about 30 years ago. Nowadays it's only signed as I-95 and I think that's what most people call it.
Actually, there's still a couple of signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9933458,-73.678178,3a,75y,168.5h,72.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sE48RqQeB2qyP5vwufceEvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) along I-287 in neighboring NY that still list Conn Tpke as a control destination for/along I-95.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: plain on October 24, 2016, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 24, 2016, 07:31:50 AM
BTW, I believe the VDOT building at the VA-10 exit retains the "Richmond—Petersburg Turnpike" sign on the outside.

Yep, still there. I don't think that's ever going away  :-D
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: The Nature Boy on October 24, 2016, 12:13:53 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 23, 2016, 05:45:45 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 22, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
And in neighboring Connecticut the Connecticut Turnpike abolished their tolls about 30 years ago. Nowadays it's only signed as I-95 and I think that's what most people call it.

Also the Merritt Parkway is signed as Ct-15, but I believe it is still widely known as the Merritt Parkway. 
The Merritt Parkway is still signed in its own right too.

It's not just signed, it's also indicated on the welcome sign at the state border.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 24, 2016, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 23, 2016, 09:29:19 PM
Not on the latest one, unless I'm overlooking something. (http://www.virginiadot.org/travel/maps-state.asp) (I haven't picked up a new paper Virginia map in at least ten years.)

You are right!  No mention of the RTP and no mention of Henry G. Shirley either.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Tom958 on October 24, 2016, 11:17:38 PM
Stone Mountain Freeway.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: epzik8 on October 25, 2016, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on October 17, 2016, 04:49:42 PM
The John F. Kennedy Memorial Highway, which is I-95 between the I-895 merge/split just outside of Baltimore and the Delaware state line. I consider it my home stretch of Interstate.
Check that; along Maryland Route 462 just north of Aberdeen the I-95 overpass is labeled JFK Memorial Highway.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: plain on October 25, 2016, 10:51:59 PM
I just thought of another one... I-69 in Kentucky is gonna be called its former parkway names for decades to come... ha!!  :-D
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: doorknob60 on October 27, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
I-184 in Boise is always called "The Connector". I don't really ever hear "I-184" or "184". Even a lot of the signs westbound from downtown just say "to I-84, I-184". Never seen "The Connector" written on any sign though.

I-84 around here is generally called "I-84", "84", or just "the freeway".
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 27, 2016, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on October 24, 2016, 12:13:53 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 23, 2016, 05:45:45 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 22, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
And in neighboring Connecticut the Connecticut Turnpike abolished their tolls about 30 years ago. Nowadays it's only signed as I-95 and I think that's what most people call it.

Also the Merritt Parkway is signed as Ct-15, but I believe it is still widely known as the Merritt Parkway. 
The Merritt Parkway is still signed in its own right too.

It's not just signed, it's also indicated on the welcome sign at the state border.

And some even mistakenly refer to the Wilbur Cross Parkway (very rare to see trailblazer signs for it) as the Merritt.  No one ever uses the term Wilbur Cross Highway anymore either.  The town of Berlin used to label the Berlin Turnpike as Wilbur Cross Hwy on its street blades but has since changed over.  The actual official highway sections are just known by their route numbers (Route 15 from the Berlin Turnpike to East Hartford, and I-84 from East Hartford to Sturbridge). 
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: SignBridge on October 27, 2016, 04:56:24 PM
Where does the Merritt Pkwy. become the Wilbur Cross Pkwy? Is it at the I-95 Connector near Milford? Also I don't quite follow re: Berlin. Is the official name of the road Berlin Tpk. or Wilbur Cross Hwy?
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: cl94 on October 27, 2016, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 27, 2016, 04:56:24 PM
Where does the Merritt Pkwy. become the Wilbur Cross Pkwy? Is it at the I-95 Connector near Milford? Also I don't quite follow re: Berlin. Is the official name of the road Berlin Tpk. or Wilbur Cross Hwy?

Yes. To both.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Pete from Boston on October 28, 2016, 12:33:18 PM
Not at the Housatonic?  Splitting hairs, sure, but that's where the sign is.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: lepidopteran on October 28, 2016, 05:27:53 PM
In/near Cincinnati, State Route 562 is an (almost) E-W freeway that basically connects I-71 and I-75, with two intermediate local interchanges.

This road is known as the "Norwood Lateral Parkway", and have heard it identified as such on traffic reports (sans Pkwy).  But other than listing Norwood as a control city, I can't seem to find any signs identifying it as such.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: bing101 on October 28, 2016, 05:56:48 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 14, 2016, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on October 14, 2016, 02:50:45 PM
This is a variant on some of the freeway name threads, and if it has been discussed previously, my apologies:

In the Bay Area, there are a number of freeway names used in conversation, on news/traffic reports, etc. that are not (to the best of my knowledge) signed anywhere in the field. Most often I hear the Nimitz Freeway (I-880), Bayshore Freeway (US-101), as well as the Eastshore Freeway (I-80), MacArthur Freeway (I-580) and Junipero Serra Freeway (I-280). And as far back as I can remember (late '70s), I don't think those names ever were signed (an exception being the non-Caltrans "Junipero Serra - the World's Most Beautiful Freeway" sign that used to be on I-280 northbound somewhere around Los Altos Hills).
Bayshore Freeway used to be signed off of I-280 at the Alemany Boulevard exit (in an advanced exits sign) but was recently changed to "JUNCTION US 101" about four months ago.

The Bayshore Freeway name used to be signed off of 480/Embarcadero Freeway as well.  (In SF, the Bayshore Freeway and the honorary James Lick name overlap, with Bayshore being much more familiar, having existed in the city since the late 1930s via the still-present Bayshore Boulevard)

MacArthur Freeway is signed off of I-80/I-580 westbound in Berkeley, and off of I-980.  I THINK the MacArthur name may also be signed near Castro Valley though am not sure about this.

Central Freeway is a pretty commonly used name (due to the decade or so of discussion over the fate of the western segment past Van Ness) but has never been signed in the field as far as I know.

Presidio Parkway, the new name for the reconstructed Doyle Drive portion of US 101 in the Presidio, I don't know if that name has been used much in traffic reports yet and it certainly isn't signed. 

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In Sacramento, the portion of US 50/Route 99/(former Business 80) in downtown and midtown Sacramento has been called the WX Freeway for years even though I don't think that name has ever been signed.

In Sacramento WX freeway is also called western Half of Cap City freeway and the name Capital City Freeway also included CA-51.  The name Capital City Freeway gets used a lot more by Sacramento area Newscasts to mean the west end of US-50.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: TheStranger on October 28, 2016, 11:53:21 PM
While I was driving in Sacramento today, I had the radio on to the classic rock station from Stockton, 104.1, and a traffic report mentioned "the Crosstown".

It took me a second to realize they were referring to the short Route 4 freeway that connects I-5 with Route 99 through downtown Stockton...I'm not sure that has ever been a signed name, though it has been known by that moniker for a while.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: coatimundi on October 29, 2016, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 28, 2016, 11:53:21 PM
It took me a second to realize they were referring to the short Route 4 freeway that connects I-5 with Route 99 through downtown Stockton...I'm not sure that has ever been a signed name, though it has been known by that moniker for a while.

The western extension project uses the name, since it's not going to be SR 4. The "Big Fix" project also uses the name: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist10/environmental/projects/sr4bigfix/index.htm
I know I've seen city signs in Downtown Stockton that reference it too. Since the ramps are all named city streets, it's hard to really tell.

But isn't the official name "Oft J. Lofthus Freeway"? Not sure why that hasn't caught on...
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2017, 04:38:01 PM
128 is getting real close.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: lepidopteran on April 23, 2017, 10:39:20 PM
Are there any signs referring to I-695 (and part of I-395?) in DC as the "Southeast-Southwest Freeway"?  I hear it on traffic reports all the time.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: lordsutch on April 24, 2017, 01:05:01 AM
Quote from: Tom958 on October 24, 2016, 11:17:38 PM
Stone Mountain Freeway.

I'm pretty sure 285 isn't officially signed as the Perimeter either (BGSes call it the Bypass), but everyone calls it that, including GDOT. Similarly, 75/85 isn't signed as the Downtown Connector, and GA 13 isn't signed as the Buford Spring Connector.

In Memphis, the east-west leg of TN 385 from I-240 to I-69 is still referred to by many as Nonconnah Parkway, even though officially it was renamed Bill Morris Parkway (and signed as such) not long after it opened. There's also the US 51 connector (unsigned TN 300, although the designation is pretty commonly seen on maps, even TDOT's), which occasionally gets a shout-out in traffic reports as the "101 connector" since apparently that was the FAP number it was assigned during construction.

It wouldn't surprise me if lots of people in Orlando still refer to FL 528 as the Bee Line rather than the "Beachline" (ugh).
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: jlwm on April 24, 2017, 02:31:14 AM
I-10 East in and around Houston is often called the Baytown-East Freeway by the media despite never being signed that. Addresses on the feeder roads are listed as just East Freeway until you get to Baytown. Once you start leaving Baytown and start going toward Wallisville, it's signed as I-10.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: 1995hoo on April 24, 2017, 07:27:49 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on April 23, 2017, 10:39:20 PM
Are there any signs referring to I-695 (and part of I-395?) in DC as the "Southeast-Southwest Freeway"?  I hear it on traffic reports all the time.

I can't tell you where, but I am positive I have seen a sign (note the singular!) with that name somewhere in the District. It may well have been somewhere along the end of the RFK Stadium Access Road, but I'm drawing a blank as to the location. I've definitely never seen it on a BGS.

BTW, I know some people who will distinguish between the "Southeast—Southwest Freeway" and the "Southwest—Southeast Freeway." The difference? Which direction you're going.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: Eth on April 24, 2017, 08:27:23 AM
Quote from: lordsutch on April 24, 2017, 01:05:01 AM
Quote from: Tom958 on October 24, 2016, 11:17:38 PM
Stone Mountain Freeway.

I'm pretty sure 285 isn't officially signed as the Perimeter either (BGSes call it the Bypass), but everyone calls it that, including GDOT. Similarly, 75/85 isn't signed as the Downtown Connector, and GA 13 isn't signed as the Buford Spring Connector.

The Stone Mountain Freeway is still signed in at least one place, at its eastbound beginning:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ften93.com%2F2017%2Fsign_photos%2Fnames%2Fathens.jpg&hash=f09354a5a29edf05092aec92102e30b223da144c)

How did "Buford-Spring Connector" get started, anyway? I don't remember ever hearing that up until just a couple years ago and figured it was just something the local traffic reporters made up. (I think it was previously referred to as part of Buford Hwy.)
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: SignBridge on April 24, 2017, 07:32:47 PM
Lepidopteran and 1995hoo, wasn't I-395 from the Pentagon south called the "Shirley Highway" at one time, maybe back in the 1960's?
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: 1995hoo on April 24, 2017, 08:06:55 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on April 24, 2017, 07:32:47 PM
Lepidopteran and 1995hoo, wasn't I-395 from the Pentagon south called the "Shirley Highway" at one time, maybe back in the 1960's?

Henry G. Shirley Memorial Highway. It's still the formal name down as far as Exit 161, but it's not signed and it's rare you hear that name used anymore.
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: RobbieL2415 on April 24, 2017, 08:18:46 PM
I believe CT 15 from the Berlin Tpke and I-84 from CT 15 to the MA state line is no longer signed as the Wilbur Cross Highway.  Some seasoned locals still call it that.

The Whitehead Highway in Hartford (signed as Capitol Area on I-91) also keeps its namesake among the locals

I know more freeway names that are not used in conversation than those that are.  Here's some now:

Outer Circumferential Beltway/Blue Star Memorial Highway: I-495 (MA)
Christopher Columbus Highway: I-91
Grand Army of the Republic Highway: US-6 (entire length?)
Boston Post Road: US-1 (parts of NY, CT, RI and MA)

Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: TravelingBethelite on April 24, 2017, 08:24:48 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 28, 2016, 12:33:18 PM
Not at the Housatonic?  Splitting hairs, sure, but that's where the sign is.

I'm almost positive it's at the Housatonic. The Exit 38 interchange on I-95 for the Milford Parkway, which spits out onto the Merritt just east of the Housatonic is signed with the destinations of "Merritt and W. Cross Pkwys". Proof: https://goo.gl/maps/cT2fzi9Q7s92 (https://goo.gl/maps/cT2fzi9Q7s92)

EDIT: It also bears mentioning that at the CT 9 interchange, nowhere is it mentioned that the Exit is for the Berlin Turnpike, though that is what the road is at that point. Another question: where do the names Wilbur Cross Park/Highway and Berlin Turnpike "[con/di]verge"?
Title: Re: Freeway names used in conversation but not signed (anymore)
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 24, 2017, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 24, 2017, 08:18:46 PM
I believe CT 15 from the Berlin Tpke and I-84 from CT 15 to the MA state line is no longer signed as the Wilbur Cross Highway.  Some seasoned locals still call it that.

The Whitehead Highway in Hartford (signed as Capitol Area on I-91) also keeps its namesake among the locals

I know more freeway names that are not used in conversation than those that are.  Here's some now:

Outer Circumferential Beltway/Blue Star Memorial Highway: I-495 (MA)
Christopher Columbus Highway: I-91
Grand Army of the Republic Highway: US-6 (entire length?)
Boston Post Road: US-1 (parts of NY, CT, RI and MA)

One you'll never hear but it's signed:  I-84 west of Hartford as the Yankee Expressway.

The Christopher Columbus portion of I-91 is only from CT 9 to CT 3 in Rocky Hill and Wethersfield.

One more you never hear except in Southwick, MA:  CT/MA/NH 10 as the College Highway (because it connects New Haven and Hanover, the homes of Yale and Dartmouth).  Nowadays it's mostly known by local names (i.e Queen St, Waterville Rd, Hopmeadow St).