Signs With Design Errors

[cpzilliacus]

The clipart artist may have remembered yellow stopsigns from his childhood, or possibly even some still standing years after red became the standard.  From a clipart perspective, a yellow stopsign might be preferable to a red one for a few different reasons, and including both a red one and a yellow one in a clipart set would certainly make sense.

I have not seen a yellow STOP sign (on a street) since the mid-1960's, when the remaining ones in my childhood neighborhood of Silver Spring, Montgomery County, Maryland, were replaced with red ones.

[agentsteel53]

I have not seen a yellow STOP sign (on a street) since the mid-1960's, when the remaining ones in my childhood neighborhood of Silver Spring, Montgomery County, Maryland, were replaced with red ones.

they are getting tougher to find, but I can offhand name maybe 4 that are on active public right of way, another 10 more that intersect active public right of way but are on a now-private road (or a non-road!), and then another 10-15 that are on private property, not counting the "STOP - Seat belt fastened?" which is ubiquitous in the Rockies area.

[Alps]

I know offhand of two STOPs and a YIELD in NY and one STOP in NJ, all on public roads. And that's without putting any thought into this.

EDIT: Oh, yeah, there's like 50,000 yellow yield signs in Groom, TX. Or at least 5.

[agentsteel53]

I know offhand of two STOPs and a YIELD in NY and one STOP in NJ, all on public roads. And that's without putting any thought into this.

two in NY?  the only one I know is the cateyed STOP DEAD END on US-9 in Ossining. 

I believe the one in Rochester is on an abandoned road, but correct me if I'm wrong.

[Alps]

I know offhand of two STOPs and a YIELD in NY and one STOP in NJ, all on public roads. And that's without putting any thought into this.

two in NY?  the only one I know is the cateyed STOP DEAD END on US-9 in Ossining. 

I believe the one in Rochester is on an abandoned road, but correct me if I'm wrong.

There's one at the end of NY 85 on a side road that seems to be public.

[agentsteel53]

There's one at the end of NY 85 on a side road that seems to be public.

never knew that!

now that I think about it, someone I know found one on an abandoned road somewhere near an old alignment of NY-3.  not in service.

there is also one on a gate which opens up from a maintenance yard to the Thruway.  not a public road, but it is likely the one seen (or, at least, passed) by the most traffic on an AADT basis.

it is embossed, with a yellow back, and one can figure out what it is.

[Ian]

In case you're wondering, here is the one along NY 85 that Steve mentioned...

[agentsteel53]

that looks astonishingly new.  has it been repainted?

[Ian]

that looks astonishingly new.  has it been repainted?

I wouldn't doubt it. No way it could've lasted so long outside and be in that condition today.

[on_wisconsin]

Noticed this one on my way home from church last night:
White border on yellow panel
[image]

Looks like they where using the MnDOT standard treatment for "EXIT ONLY" sections.

[cpzilliacus]

I think this might be a design error. Or some other error. Wouldn't "Right Turn No Stop" make more sense?

[vtk]

The wording used in Ohio is [stop] "except right turn".

[Central Avenue]

I've seen "except on right turn" used as well, which sounds a bit more awkward than simply "except right turn".

IIRC it's the "except right turn" variation that made it into the 2009 MUTCD.

[1995hoo]

Wow, you learn something new every day. I've never seen a stop sign with an auxiliary plaque like that.

Closest I've seen is at some red lights in Mexico where they had a right-turn arrow with the words "Continua con Precaucion." These were on Cozumel, so the signs were hand-painted, too.

[vtk]

To be honest I'm not entirely sure if it's the version with or without the word "on" that I usually see.  I can only think of one example (Cooke Rd EB at I-71 NB entrance); GSV shows the 4-word version, below a stop sign with the slightly older style "S" too.

From the perspective of natural English, perhaps "except when turning right" or "unless turning right" would be better legends.  Logically closer to the intended meaning but less intuitive would be "or turn right".

[cpzilliacus]

Wow, you learn something new every day. I've never seen a stop sign with an auxiliary plaque like that.

I snapped that image in Milford, Delaware (wrong), pardon me, Harrington, Delaware.

GSV here.

Edit: corrected error above and added link to Google Street View.

[hbelkins]

"Except When Turning Right" is the language West Virginia uses.

[kphoger]

Wow, you learn something new every day. I've never seen a stop sign with an auxiliary plaque like that.

Closest I've seen is at some red lights in Mexico where they had a right-turn arrow with the words "Continua con Precaucion." These were on Cozumel, so the signs were hand-painted, too.

I've never seen one either.

The Mexican sign you saw is likely to permit right turn on red after stopping, since that maneuver is prohibited in most jurisdictions in México.

[vtk]

Closest I've seen is at some red lights in Mexico where they had a right-turn arrow with the words "Continua con Precaucion." These were on Cozumel, so the signs were hand-painted, too.

Sounds like the equivalent to the US "continuous right turn with caution".  Sometimes the words "right turn" are replaced with a standard right-turn arrow graphic.  Some examples: I-71 SB exit 104 ramp at Frank Rd; I-270 NB exit 17 ramp at Tuttle Crossing Blvd; US 42 SB splitting from US 23 SB.

[Alps]

"Except Right Turn" was the PennDOT sign, the one thing PennDOT's ever done right, and the MUTCD managed to pick up on it.

[1995hoo]

Wow, you learn something new every day. I've never seen a stop sign with an auxiliary plaque like that.

Closest I've seen is at some red lights in Mexico where they had a right-turn arrow with the words "Continua con Precaucion." These were on Cozumel, so the signs were hand-painted, too.

I've never seen one either.

The Mexican sign you saw is likely to permit right turn on red after stopping, since that maneuver is prohibited in most jurisdictions in México.

That's how I interpreted the Mexican sign, and I guess I was right since nobody honked at me.

[cpzilliacus]

"Except Right Turn" was the PennDOT sign, the one thing PennDOT's ever done right, and the MUTCD managed to pick up on it.

Which (in your opinion) is worse - PennDOT or the PTC?

I think they are equally bad.

[Roadsguy]

I like PennDOT better. Maybe it's the way they stripe it slightly differently than the PTC.

[national highway 1]

This gantry on I-5 in San Diego; is it me or is the Exit 7B sign a little cramped? Are the 'EXIT ONLY' tabs with white arrow common practice elsewhere in California?

[Alps]

This gantry on I-5 in San Diego; is it me or is the Exit 7B sign a little cramped? Are the 'EXIT ONLY' tabs with white arrow common practice elsewhere in California?

As my last update and next update keep saying, don't ever expect Caltrans to do anything consistently, or correctly. They mastered the art of guide signing in the 1950s and didn't touch it until the 2000s - that's right, a freeway opening in 2000 still had non-reflective background button copy! So they will have to catch up, but they are too stubborn to just play nice.