This post is meant to be an informative warning--I don't do this seeking sympathy.
I've always struggled with weight. I'm 6' 1" tall (1.85 m for our Canadian and European friends). Through high school, I was a student manager on the football team, played on the golf team, and golfed 3-4 times a week every summer (almost always walking, very rarely riding a cart). Even though I was moderately active, I was 220 lbs (99.8 kg) when I graduated high school.
Then in college golfing with friends got replaced by playing Madden (the original) with friends, and eating home cooked meals was replaced by dining hall food and lots of pizza. The freshmen 15 was more like the freshmen 40 for me, and by the time I graduated I weighed at least 300 lbs (136.1 kg), but I was never really weighing myself so I can't be sure.
After college and grad school, I was living by myself and the bad eating and exercise habits continued. I was close to 400 lbs (181.4 kg) when I got married at age 29. My wife was also really fat so that really didn't help things any as we both just accepted each other as is.
A few years after getting married, my wife finally got tired of being fat and got gastric bypass surgery. She encouraged me to get it as well, but I had a very irrational fear of general anesthesia. I feared being put under and never waking up. Plus I had the stubborn notion that I could beat this without surgery, despite the years of evidence to the contrary.
Finally at age 36, I agreed to get a lap band after reaching 465 lbs (210.9 kg). I'll leave it to you to google that if you want to know exactly what it is. It was the least effective surgical option available but also the least risky so that's why I chose it. It was moderately successful, as I lost 150 lbs (68.0 kg) over 7 years and then maintained after that.
Late in 2020, my lab band slipped and entirely cut off my esophagus from my stomach. I had to have it removed. For the first time in 10 years, my stomach had no restrictions. COVID lengthened the time it took to get me scheduled for a gastric bypass surgery, and I gained back almost all of the weight I'd lost.
That puts me were I am today, 8 days removed from a gastric bypass surgery. What a miserable experience. Had to go on a pure liquid protein diet for 2 weeks before the surgery just to get my risk down to a level where the surgeon would do the operation. Have a post-op wound that has to be redressed twice a day for 2-4 more weeks. Have no appetite and still only consuming liquids post-surgery. Hard to sit comfortably. Hard to lie down and sleep comfortably. Have to pee every 2 hours. Have a long recovery ahead. Probably at least 2-3 months before I can consider restarting road clinching trips.
TL DR version: Getting fat is really bad for you. Don't let it happen to you. If you can't find other motivation to stay healthy, use my experience.
While no where near as obese as what O.P. typed, Daniel Streetworkout apparently does not want to be as fat as his parents thus he be came Daniel Streetworkout. He seems to be the only guy that does these Self Improvement Videos and stays with them. Other peoples might have Drug Relapses or some thing that causes them to lose motivation.
That is one of my goals to be come more as he is, even eventually to post the similar videos. I am also considering Mixed Martial Arts and Cross Fit facilities.
I was raised by Very Sickly Peoples; one of them died in Hospital Bed with Morbid Obesity, Diabetes, Most Likely Type II Diabetes, and Drug Addictions. I have seen what happened, and am fearful of it happening to me.
Diet is also equally important. I take Mega Vitamins. Also, I grow and cook foods, that is not unlike Manjula's Kitchen. Additionally, I have opposed Added Sugars, which have also assisted in my Fat Loss. I am tempted to bother Walmart Bakery to see if their French Bread with 1 G Sugars and 0 G Added Sugars actually does not contain Added Sugars, or if it might be a typo. Walmart is otherwise very good at labeling their products with No Added Sugars.
And I can not stress enough that Cafeteria / Food Court / Dining Hall foods from Education Facilities are most certainly far from Healthy. Even Ramen Noodles, that have been furnished in Dorm Rooms (!) contains Added Sugars.
Quote from: In_Correct on February 23, 2022, 09:08:56 PM
Even Ramen Noodles, that have been furnished in Dorm Rooms (!) contains Added Sugars.
And is loaded in sodium.
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 23, 2022, 07:12:06 PM
This post is meant to be an informative warning--I don't do this seeking sympathy.
I've always struggled with weight. I'm 6' 1" tall (1.85 m for our Canadian and European friends). Through high school, I was a student manager on the football team, played on the golf team, and golfed 3-4 times a week every summer (almost always walking, very rarely riding a cart). Even though I was moderately active, I was 220 lbs (99.8 kg) when I graduated high school.
Then in college golfing with friends got replaced by playing Madden (the original) with friends, and eating home cooked meals was replaced by dining hall food and lots of pizza. The freshmen 15 was more like the freshmen 40 for me, and by the time I graduated I weighed at least 300 lbs (136.1 kg), but I was never really weighing myself so I can't be sure.
After college and grad school, I was living by myself and the bad eating and exercise habits continued. I was close to 400 lbs (181.4 kg) when I got married at age 29. My wife was also really fat so that really didn't help things any as we both just accepted each other as is.
A few years after getting married, my wife finally got tired of being fat and got gastric bypass surgery. She encouraged me to get it as well, but I had a very irrational fear of general anesthesia. I feared being put under and never waking up. Plus I had the stubborn notion that I could beat this without surgery, despite the years of evidence to the contrary.
Finally at age 36, I agreed to get a lap band after reaching 465 lbs (210.9 kg). I'll leave it to you to google that if you want to know exactly what it is. It was the least effective surgical option available but also the least risky so that's why I chose it. It was moderately successful, as I lost 150 lbs (68.0 kg) over 7 years and then maintained after that.
Late in 2020, my lab band slipped and entirely cut off my esophagus from my stomach. I had to have it removed. For the first time in 10 years, my stomach had no restrictions. COVID lengthened the time it took to get me scheduled for a gastric bypass surgery, and I gained back almost all of the weight I'd lost.
That puts me were I am today, 8 days removed from a gastric bypass surgery. What a miserable experience. Had to go on a pure liquid protein diet for 2 weeks before the surgery just to get my risk down to a level where the surgeon would do the operation. Have a post-op wound that has to be redressed twice a day for 2-4 more weeks. Have no appetite and still only consuming liquids post-surgery. Hard to sit comfortably. Hard to lie down and sleep comfortably. Have to pee every 2 hours. Have a long recovery ahead. Probably at least 2-3 months before I can consider restarting road clinching trips.
TL DR version: Getting fat is really bad for you. Don't let it happen to you. If you can't find other motivation to stay healthy, use my experience.
Congrats on taking that step towards getting healthy! I had the gastric sleeve surgery back in 2017 (I, too, have struggled with my weight since I was a child and topped out at around 350). The recovery was awful, especially within the first week, and then I got really discouraged when I could barely eat anything AND wasn't losing significant amounts of weight, but then I started seeing results and I couldn't be happier about my decision to get it.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on February 23, 2022, 07:12:06 PM
This post is meant to be an informative warning--I don't do this seeking sympathy.
I've always struggled with weight. I'm 6' 1" tall (1.85 m for our Canadian and European friends). Through high school, I was a student manager on the football team, played on the golf team, and golfed 3-4 times a week every summer (almost always walking, very rarely riding a cart). Even though I was moderately active, I was 220 lbs (99.8 kg) when I graduated high school.
Then in college golfing with friends got replaced by playing Madden (the original) with friends, and eating home cooked meals was replaced by dining hall food and lots of pizza. The freshmen 15 was more like the freshmen 40 for me, and by the time I graduated I weighed at least 300 lbs (136.1 kg), but I was never really weighing myself so I can't be sure.
After college and grad school, I was living by myself and the bad eating and exercise habits continued. I was close to 400 lbs (181.4 kg) when I got married at age 29. My wife was also really fat so that really didn't help things any as we both just accepted each other as is.
A few years after getting married, my wife finally got tired of being fat and got gastric bypass surgery. She encouraged me to get it as well, but I had a very irrational fear of general anesthesia. I feared being put under and never waking up. Plus I had the stubborn notion that I could beat this without surgery, despite the years of evidence to the contrary.
Finally at age 36, I agreed to get a lap band after reaching 465 lbs (210.9 kg). I'll leave it to you to google that if you want to know exactly what it is. It was the least effective surgical option available but also the least risky so that's why I chose it. It was moderately successful, as I lost 150 lbs (68.0 kg) over 7 years and then maintained after that.
Late in 2020, my lab band slipped and entirely cut off my esophagus from my stomach. I had to have it removed. For the first time in 10 years, my stomach had no restrictions. COVID lengthened the time it took to get me scheduled for a gastric bypass surgery, and I gained back almost all of the weight I'd lost.
That puts me were I am today, 8 days removed from a gastric bypass surgery. What a miserable experience. Had to go on a pure liquid protein diet for 2 weeks before the surgery just to get my risk down to a level where the surgeon would do the operation. Have a post-op wound that has to be redressed twice a day for 2-4 more weeks. Have no appetite and still only consuming liquids post-surgery. Hard to sit comfortably. Hard to lie down and sleep comfortably. Have to pee every 2 hours. Have a long recovery ahead. Probably at least 2-3 months before I can consider restarting road clinching trips.
TL DR version: Getting fat is really bad for you. Don't let it happen to you. If you can't find other motivation to stay healthy, use my experience.
Congrats on taking that step towards getting healthy! I had the gastric sleeve surgery back in 2017 (I, too, have struggled with my weight since I was a child and topped out at around 350). The recovery was awful, especially within the first week, and then I got really discouraged when I could barely eat anything AND wasn't losing significant amounts of weight, but then I started seeing results and I couldn't be happier about my decision to get it.
My surgeon explained to me that they had to fill me full of gas and fluids in order to do the surgery and as such, I shouldn't expect weight loss until my body is able to get rid of all that at around the 10-14 day mark, so hopefully soon for me.
Congrats cabiness42. I know it wasn't a choice made lightly and best of luck in your recovery.
Losing weight is always tough. I've been slowly losing weight since hitting my max of 218# in 2009; not as overweight as many but I'm only 5'6". I had a 40" waist then. I was down to about 185# when I retired in 2017 but I'm now at 165# and hoping to get down to my original navy enlistment weight of 153# in the next 2-4 years. I exercise for at least an hour 3-4 times/week, cut out all second helpings and most junk food, and limit my drinking to two drinks. I don't worry about my caloric count. I also do not put salt on anything other than popcorn and corn on the cob, neither of which I eat often. I allow myself one treat per day (usually ice cream). My favorite snacks are cheese sticks and small bits of meat (like little Slim Jims). I occasionally break my rules, but I then get very strict with myself for the next week. This plan won't work for everyone, but it's the only one that's ever worked for me after a lifetime of diets followed by binge eating.
My family has a long history of heart disease and obesity on both sides. I've lived longer than both my parents, 3 of 4 grandparents, and all but one great-grandparent; I honestly never expected to live this long. I encourage everyone to at least do some cardio-related exercise most days, even if it's just walking. Good luck to everyone trying to lose weight and otherwise working to improve their health. It ain't easy.
This couldn't have been an easy story to share, so I just want to say thanks for sharing, I appreciate you having the courage to share this with us, and I hope all goes well with your recovery.
Thank you for being brave enough to share this for the good of others, Cabiness.
About anesthesia, I had general anesthesia to get a colonoscopy done a couple of years ago, and it was easy - there's an anesthesiologist watching over you the whole time, which is probably not the case when you're asleep. Doctors will probably recommend a colonoscopy with general anesthesia sooner or later, so you might as well get used to it.
Thank you for sharing this. I have one and only one promise to anyone in my life, and it's a promise to myself to never let my BMI hit the wrong side of 25.
Quote from: thspfc on February 24, 2022, 09:50:26 PM
Thank you for sharing this. I have one and only one promise to anyone in my life, and it's a promise to myself to never let my BMI hit the wrong side of 25.
BMI isn't exactly a solid indicator of health. I've usually been between a 26-30 BMI most of my adult life. When I was at that 30 BMI I was in the best shape of my life in terms of weight lifting (my flat bench press was approaching 300lbs). At the time I was also running 60 miles a week and had a resting heart rate of 48 BPM. To me things like resting heat rate always felt like a better indicator of general health than BMI.
Right, the BMI calculation starts to break down as muscle increases. The company I used to work for required an annual biometric screening as one of many conditions to get a bonus. I remember being in line to get mine done and a huge, muscled tribal police officer having a laugh with his buddies because his screening said he was "obese" on the basis of BMI.
In addition to resting heart rate, body fat percentage can be measured through a number of means (I like electrical impedance), and that, combined with weight, provides a better metric of body mass than BMI does.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 25, 2022, 04:17:52 PM
Right, the BMI calculation starts to break down as muscle increases. The company I used to work for required an annual biometric screening as one of many conditions to get a bonus. I remember being in line to get mine done and a huge, muscled tribal police officer having a laugh with his buddies because his screening said he was "obese" on the basis of BMI.
I've had some funky non-baseline results from EKGs and Billirubin related to exercise. Every couple years I'll switch doctors and they run a new EKG. My initial results always look like I have AFib given my heart is so large and so close to my chest wall. Likewise my Billirubin always shows mildly elevated which I'm to understand is from large amounts of exercise possibly coupled with how much I eat. It doesn't even really phase me anymore when one of these doctors brings up heart and liver stuff now because I've been through so many tests over the years. But then again, the baseline results on all this is set for a sedentary lifestyle so I get it.
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works, as it can save you big bucks. Also, the best way to loss weight is eating less and healthy, and doing exercise (although per what I get "eating healthy" may be hard in the USA). It requires lots of effort, but also avoids surgeries.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works[...]
It doesn't.
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Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works[...]
It doesn't.
Amusingly my biggest issue with the ACA was that it really did nothing to make health care actually affordable. I've always been curious to see if I could price out medical procedures I've had domestically when I'm visiting Jalisco.
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Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works[...]
It doesn't.
Amusingly my biggest issue with the ACA was that it really did nothing to make health care actually affordable. I've always been curious to see if I could price out medical procedures I've had domestically when I'm visiting Jalisco.
Anything that would have made that bill useful was stripped to get the moderate vote. I recall the one House rep from the UP singlehandedly getting most of the useful stuff blown out into space to get his ilk on board.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 09:41:04 PM
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Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works[...]
It doesn't.
Amusingly my biggest issue with the ACA was that it really did nothing to make health care actually affordable. I've always been curious to see if I could price out medical procedures I've had domestically when I'm visiting Jalisco.
Anything that would have made that bill useful was stripped to get the moderate vote. I recall the one House rep from the UP singlehandedly getting most of the useful stuff blown out into space to get his ilk on board.
Although true...
...I'm in here before the lock. :D
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works, as it can save you big bucks. Also, the best way to loss weight is eating less and healthy, and doing exercise (although per what I get "eating healthy" may be hard in the USA). It requires lots of effort, but also avoids surgeries.
It's as easy to eat healthy here as it is anywhere else in the world. And probably much easier than most countries.
Quote from: thspfc on February 26, 2022, 08:54:08 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works, as it can save you big bucks. Also, the best way to loss weight is eating less and healthy, and doing exercise (although per what I get "eating healthy" may be hard in the USA). It requires lots of effort, but also avoids surgeries.
It's as easy to eat healthy here as it is anywhere else in the world. And probably much easier than most countries.
But it isn't easy to eat a healthy amount or stay active.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 26, 2022, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: thspfc on February 26, 2022, 08:54:08 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works, as it can save you big bucks. Also, the best way to loss weight is eating less and healthy, and doing exercise (although per what I get "eating healthy" may be hard in the USA). It requires lots of effort, but also avoids surgeries.
It's as easy to eat healthy here as it is anywhere else in the world. And probably much easier than most countries.
But it isn't easy to eat a healthy amount or stay active.
I suppose it depends on your childhood, someone who was raised in a family where large emphasis was placed on health will think it's easy. Either way, it's easi
er than in most countries.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 26, 2022, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: thspfc on February 26, 2022, 08:54:08 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works, as it can save you big bucks. Also, the best way to loss weight is eating less and healthy, and doing exercise (although per what I get "eating healthy" may be hard in the USA). It requires lots of effort, but also avoids surgeries.
It's as easy to eat healthy here as it is anywhere else in the world. And probably much easier than most countries.
But it isn't easy to eat a healthy amount or stay active.
I suppose it depends on your childhood, someone who was raised in a family where large emphasis was placed on health will think it's easy. Either way, it's easier than in most countries.
I don't buy that (at least not fully). Adults can make choices and educate themselves or seek assistance towards reigning in their health. My parents were incredibly unhealthy and had horrible eating habits. Their lack of care towards their health certainly contributed to their medical issues and ultimately both their early demises. My brother and I decided we didn't want to be unhealthy like them and took steps to ensure we weren't in adulthood.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 26, 2022, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: thspfc on February 26, 2022, 08:54:08 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works, as it can save you big bucks. Also, the best way to loss weight is eating less and healthy, and doing exercise (although per what I get "eating healthy" may be hard in the USA). It requires lots of effort, but also avoids surgeries.
It's as easy to eat healthy here as it is anywhere else in the world. And probably much easier than most countries.
But it isn't easy to eat a healthy amount or stay active.
I suppose it depends on your childhood, someone who was raised in a family where large emphasis was placed on health will think it's easy. Either way, it's easier than in most countries.
That don't make no sense.
Quote from: Rothman on February 26, 2022, 10:13:11 AM
Quote from: thspfc on February 26, 2022, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 26, 2022, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: thspfc on February 26, 2022, 08:54:08 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works, as it can save you big bucks. Also, the best way to loss weight is eating less and healthy, and doing exercise (although per what I get "eating healthy" may be hard in the USA). It requires lots of effort, but also avoids surgeries.
It's as easy to eat healthy here as it is anywhere else in the world. And probably much easier than most countries.
But it isn't easy to eat a healthy amount or stay active.
I suppose it depends on your childhood, someone who was raised in a family where large emphasis was placed on health will think it's easy. Either way, it's easier than in most countries.
That don't make no sense.
I kind of took it as a leaning towards "nurture" in the "nature versus nurture" argument. While I can see poor parenting being a reason and contributing factor as to why someone might not be healthy there is no way it can be weighted fully as a universal cause.
This post should give you a warning to heed warnings set forth by your doctor.
As an autistic person, I usually have a LOT of cravings for food (espcially bc of my medicine requiring me to get food, LOL)
When I was diagnosed with Autism at 2.5 Years Old, I started out 20lbs, but then I gained the most amount of weight I have ever seen, at 120lbs! I LOVED chick Fil A (we have one near campus, so we were regulars at that place every saturday :colorful:) and ate things like it's no tomorrow!
Well fast forward to 2018, my weight was at 300lbs (the highest I've seen). However, I am very tall. My triglycerides were in the 230s! And fast food didnt help either.
In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. My mom was VERY angry with me after viewing the test results (and reacting) and guess what I had for triglycerides? 293 mg/dl! :wow:
Well, my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables)
Well I was down to 294lbs, and started using a glucometer with readings in the high 100s and then going down.
After four new york trips (Yes rothman I did eventually have my NY trip in December) I went back up to 320lbs!
TL;DR: Don't be like me, go eat at places you don't usually go to. :D
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
There are plenty of people who only eat fast/processed foods. I am reasonably certain that I eat fast food less than 99% of the other active users on this site.
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
There are plenty of people who only eat fast/processed foods. I am reasonably certain that I eat fast food less than 99% of the other active users on this site.
That is me, I have a sensitive palate that makes me gag and retch.
Quote from: webny99 on March 03, 2022, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
Yep. Don't like fruits and vegetables. :no:
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Quote from: webny99 on March 03, 2022, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
Yep. Don't like fruits and vegetables. :no:
How do you know you wouldn't like them if you haven't tried them?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:19:58 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 04, 2022, 02:45:04 PM
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
Yep. Don't like fruits and vegetables. :no:
How do you know you wouldn't like them if you haven't tried them?
I have tried them and I gagged.
Quote from: snowc on March 04, 2022, 03:22:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:19:58 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 04, 2022, 02:45:04 PM
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
Yep. Don't like fruits and vegetables. :no:
How do you know you wouldn't like them if you haven't tried them?
I have tried them and I gagged.
Did you though? Or are you just making this up because you didn't want to eat something healthy?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 04, 2022, 03:22:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:19:58 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 04, 2022, 02:45:04 PM
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
Yep. Don't like fruits and vegetables. :no:
How do you know you wouldn't like them if you haven't tried them?
I have tried them and I gagged.
Did you though? Or are you just making this up because you didn't want to eat something healthy?
Yes I tried SOME. but eventually this all resulted in me puking it up.
This is NOT a made up sentence, this is real.
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
There are plenty of people who only eat fast/processed foods. I am reasonably certain that I eat fast food less than 99% of the other active users on this site.
Only fast/processed foods? 3 meals a day? Also considering there are people that can't afford to ever eat out, 99% is pretty steep unless you go years without eating fast food.
You probably eat less fast food than me, I'll definitely give you that, and yet... I eat my share of fast food and
also eat 1-3 fruits/vegetables a day and have at least tried pretty much every fruit/vegetable I can think of. That's not mutually exclusive with eating fast food.
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
There are plenty of people who only eat fast/processed foods. I am reasonably certain that I eat fast food less than 99% of the other active users on this site.
Only fast/processed foods? 3 meals a day? Also considering there are people that can't afford to ever eat out, 99% is pretty steep unless you go years without eating fast food.
You probably eat less fast food than me, I'll definitely give you that, and yet... I eat my share of fast food and also eat 1-3 fruits/vegetables a day and have at least tried pretty much every fruit/vegetable I can think of. That's not mutually exclusive with eating fast food.
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
All good things in moderation!
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:33:27 PM
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
... if the EBT-carrying customer also qualifies for RMP–and that the state even has an RMP.
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:33:27 PM
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
... if the EBT-carrying customer also qualifies for RMP–and that the state even has an RMP.
What drives me up the wall is my Mother in Law with her spending habits on EBT. Her health is incredibly bad to begin with (she weighs over 300lbs) with but she also knows how to cook really well. I get it that it's east to pick up fast food but it also tells me at this point that she's let her health completely go. It's sad to see, especially when my wife tries her best to convince her to follow healthy habits.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:54:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:33:27 PM
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
... if the EBT-carrying customer also qualifies for RMP–and that the state even has an RMP.
What drives me up the wall is my Mother in Law with her spending habits on EBT. Her health is incredibly bad to begin with (she weighs over 300lbs) with but she also knows how to cook really well. I get it that it's east to pick up fast food but it also tells me at this point that she's let her health completely go. It's sad to see, especially when my wife tries her best to convince her to follow healthy habits.
Don't ever work in a grocery store or you will be quickly be driven mad watching how people are spending EBT benefits that you are paying for with your hard earned tax dollars. Some things are better to not know friend.
Pfft. Even Moody's says food stamps generate more value than just what the recipient spends.
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:54:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:33:27 PM
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
... if the EBT-carrying customer also qualifies for RMP–and that the state even has an RMP.
What drives me up the wall is my Mother in Law with her spending habits on EBT. Her health is incredibly bad to begin with (she weighs over 300lbs) with but she also knows how to cook really well. I get it that it's east to pick up fast food but it also tells me at this point that she's let her health completely go. It's sad to see, especially when my wife tries her best to convince her to follow healthy habits.
Don't ever work in a grocery store or you will be quickly be driven mad watching how people are spending EBT benefits that you are paying for with your hard earned tax dollars. Some things are better to not know friend.
As opposed to the three shoplifter that have tried to stab me, the one guy who tried to hit me with brass knuckles or numerous other assaults towards me over the course of twenty years as a retail security manager? How is EBT usage supposed to come off as shocking?
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:54:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:33:27 PM
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
... if the EBT-carrying customer also qualifies for RMP–and that the state even has an RMP.
What drives me up the wall is my Mother in Law with her spending habits on EBT. Her health is incredibly bad to begin with (she weighs over 300lbs) with but she also knows how to cook really well. I get it that it's east to pick up fast food but it also tells me at this point that she's let her health completely go. It's sad to see, especially when my wife tries her best to convince her to follow healthy habits.
Don't ever work in a grocery store or you will be quickly be driven mad watching how people are spending EBT benefits that you are paying for with your hard earned tax dollars. Some things are better to not know friend.
Ah yes, Reagan's "strapping young bucks buying T-bone steaks and driving Cadillacs purchased with welfare" rears its ugly head again. Even if the anti-government assistance sentiment was colorblind, I can't say I could gin up much outrage over a poor person buying a candy bar every now and then.
My wife and I use EBT. And, I must admit, it is a little unsettling that we can buy deep-fried bacon-wrapped lard sticks (if such a thing existed) with it just as easily as we can buy kale and cucumbers.
Maybe it's because I remember back to the days when I was young and broke and buying baby stuff with WIC, and I was very limited in which items I could buy with it.
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 04:20:15 PM
Maybe it's because I remember back to the days when I was young and broke and buying baby stuff with WIC, and I was very limited in which items I could buy with it.
Oh yeah, I remember the pants-shitting when farmers markets started accepting EBT.
Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:30:21 PM
Only fast/processed foods? 3 meals a day? Also considering there are people that can't afford to ever eat out, 99% is pretty steep unless you go years without eating fast food.
You probably eat less fast food than me, I'll definitely give you that, and yet... I eat my share of fast food and also eat 1-3 fruits/vegetables a day and have at least tried pretty much every fruit/vegetable I can think of. That's not mutually exclusive with eating fast food.
Yes, there are many people who only eat processed foods. Pop tart for breakfast. Frozen pizza for lunch. Chicken nuggets with Ore-Ida French fries for dinner, or something of the like. I don't eat a lot of fast food (maybe once every 3 weeks to a month), but almost everything I make at home is from scratch.
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
Yep. Don't like fruits and vegetables. :no:
How do you know you wouldn't like them if you haven't tried them?
I have tried them and I gagged.
Did you though? Or are you just making this up because you didn't want to eat something healthy?
One "trait" of autism is a major sensitivity to food textures. And it's not the same texture for everyone. That's the "palate has a texture issue" mentioned above. So...yes...eating a certain texture could cause gagging on its own. So...no...it's not "making this up because you didn't want to eat something."
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:24:08 PM
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
Yep. Don't like fruits and vegetables. :no:
How do you know you wouldn't like them if you haven't tried them?
I have tried them and I gagged.
Did you though? Or are you just making this up because you didn't want to eat something healthy?
One "trait" of autism is a major sensitivity to food textures. And it's not the same texture for everyone. That's the "palate has a texture issue" mentioned above. So...yes...eating a certain texture could cause gagging on its own. So...no...it's not "making this up because you didn't want to eat something."
Fair enough, all the same I'm not fully convinced that all the stories the poster in question presents are truly accurate accounts. There have been some really interesting claims and stories put out there by said poster that seem to possibly been embellished at times. I think asking "are you sure are telling the truth" isn't too far off base to ask from time to time. The poster responded, said he was telling the truth and I left it at that.
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The title says it all. Espacially knowing how your health care system works, as it can save you big bucks. Also, the best way to loss weight is eating less and healthy, and doing exercise (although per what I get "eating healthy" may be hard in the USA). It requires lots of effort, but also avoids surgeries.
It's as easy to eat healthy here as it is anywhere else in the world. And probably much easier than most countries.
But it isn't easy to eat a healthy amount or stay active.
I suppose it depends on your childhood, someone who was raised in a family where large emphasis was placed on health will think it's easy. Either way, it's easier than in most countries.
That don't make no sense.
Care to explain why?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:33:27 PM
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
There are plenty of people who only eat fast/processed foods. I am reasonably certain that I eat fast food less than 99% of the other active users on this site.
Only fast/processed foods? 3 meals a day? Also considering there are people that can't afford to ever eat out, 99% is pretty steep unless you go years without eating fast food.
You probably eat less fast food than me, I'll definitely give you that, and yet... I eat my share of fast food and also eat 1-3 fruits/vegetables a day and have at least tried pretty much every fruit/vegetable I can think of. That's not mutually exclusive with eating fast food.
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
I have zero respect for people who buy garbage with EBT. No excuses, period. Especially energy drinks. Using other people's hard earned money to harm your body is just awful.
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:19:02 PM
I have zero respect for people who buy garbage with EBT. No excuses, period. Especially energy drinks. Using other people's hard earned money to harm your body is just awful.
It's no different than non-wealthy people buying crap with currency. Just because you don't have means to buy a lot of excess stuff doesn't mean that you only buy food with the highest nutrient/$ ratio. If that were the case, people would only be buying rice, beans, and cabbage. That's why, although being a rich country we, in theory, should be the ones who have it the easiest to eat healthily, many people choose not to. I'm not getting to get flustered when people use $2 worth of EBT instead of two Washingtons to buy a Mountain Dew. They were going to do it anyway.
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:19:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:30:21 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 03, 2022, 01:42:59 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 03, 2022, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
There are plenty of people who only eat fast/processed foods. I am reasonably certain that I eat fast food less than 99% of the other active users on this site.
Only fast/processed foods? 3 meals a day? Also considering there are people that can't afford to ever eat out, 99% is pretty steep unless you go years without eating fast food.
You probably eat less fast food than me, I'll definitely give you that, and yet... I eat my share of fast food and also eat 1-3 fruits/vegetables a day and have at least tried pretty much every fruit/vegetable I can think of. That's not mutually exclusive with eating fast food.
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
I have zero respect for people who buy garbage with EBT. No excuses, period. Especially energy drinks. Using other people's hard earned money to harm your body is just awful.
So as the originator of this thread I'm going to weigh in on this (pun intended) and a few other things.
While I've never been on EBT, I'm someone who spent most of his life eating "garbage" and I can tell you it's very similar to an alcohol or drug addiction. I knew that fast/processed food was bad for me and going to cause me problems, but my body just craved it. I imagine the same would go for someone who finds themselves needing EBT. If they've developed the bad habit of eating "garbage", that's going to continue.
It's also not a socioeconomic or intelligence issue. I'm comfortably upper-middle class and have an IQ in the top 0.25% and I struggled with this to the point I've had to have not one but two bariatric surgeries.
There was some discussion earlier regarding the influence of parents and I can definitely say that my parents set me off on the wrong track in allowing us to have too much junk, but by the time I was in my 20s I knew very well what I was doing to myself and had every chance to fix it.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 04, 2022, 05:22:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:19:02 PM
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
I have zero respect for people who buy garbage with EBT. No excuses, period. Especially energy drinks. Using other people's hard earned money to harm your body is just awful.
It's no different than non-wealthy people buying crap with currency. Just because you don't have means to buy a lot of excess stuff doesn't mean that you only buy food with the highest nutrient/$ ratio. If that were the case, people would only be buying rice, beans, and cabbage. That's why, although being a rich country we, in theory, should be the ones who have it the easiest to eat healthily, many people choose not to. I'm not getting to get flustered when people use $2 worth of EBT instead of two Washingtons to buy a Mountain Dew. They were going to do it anyway.
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It is different, they earned their money, they can spend it how they please. EBTs are my tax dollars that are supposed to be for people who cannot afford any food, or at least that is how the programme is sold to us.
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 05:32:15 PMEBTs are my tax dollars that are supposed to be for people who cannot afford any food
And they're using it to buy food. What's the problem again?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 04, 2022, 05:22:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:19:02 PM
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
I have zero respect for people who buy garbage with EBT. No excuses, period. Especially energy drinks. Using other people's hard earned money to harm your body is just awful.
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It's no different than non-wealthy people buying crap with currency. Just because you don't have means to buy a lot of excess stuff doesn't mean that you only buy food with the highest nutrient/$ ratio. If that were the case, people would only be buying rice, beans, and cabbage. That's why, although being a rich country we, in theory, should be the ones who have it the easiest to eat healthily, many people choose not to. I'm not getting to get flustered when people use $2 worth of EBT instead of two Washingtons to buy a Mountain Dew. They were going to do it anyway.
But the EBT was gifted to them by the government, and therefore by taxpayer money. Whereas they earned the $2, or found it on the street, or whatever. Point is, I don't care what people do with THEIR money. But EBT is not theirs.
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 05:32:15 PMEBTs are my tax dollars that are supposed to be for people who cannot afford any food
And they're using it to buy food. What's the problem again?
I actually worked in a grocery store. $30 worth of Honey Sticks or Powerade is not "food", if you can afford to waste it like that you don't need my tax dollars. Most of these people also pull out a wad of cash and pay for Booze, Cigarettes, and then waddle out to a brand new Cadillac car. And most of them probabally have several thousand dollars worth of tattoos as well that they could afford, but supposedly not anything to eat. Its disgusting in the extreme.
The people I felt bad for were little old people on fixed incomes that came in and shopped the sale items, a few basic staples, maybe a cheap cut of meat if it was on sale. You could tell they were being frugal, and most of them spent their lives working and paying into the system to support the obese lady behind them in line paying for $30 worth of honey sticks with government money.
I started playing a mental game with myself, I would just look at the person and their cart of stuff and guess if they were paying with EBT or not before they got their wallet out. I was probabally right 80%+ of the time.
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 04, 2022, 05:31:01 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:19:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 03:33:27 PM
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Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
... In 2020, this was the worst day of my life. ... my mother said no more fried foods, and no more juice, soda, and fatty foods. I even had to taste apples and oranges (AND I GAGGED, this was because my palate has a texture issue that makes me gag with stuff I don't like, such as vegetables except corn, international items, and especially having to customize the item to not have any vegetables) ...
Whoa, do you mean to say you went nearly 20 years without ever tasting an apple or an orange? That might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard...
There are plenty of people who only eat fast/processed foods. I am reasonably certain that I eat fast food less than 99% of the other active users on this site.
Only fast/processed foods? 3 meals a day? Also considering there are people that can't afford to ever eat out, 99% is pretty steep unless you go years without eating fast food.
You probably eat less fast food than me, I'll definitely give you that, and yet... I eat my share of fast food and also eat 1-3 fruits/vegetables a day and have at least tried pretty much every fruit/vegetable I can think of. That's not mutually exclusive with eating fast food.
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
I have zero respect for people who buy garbage with EBT. No excuses, period. Especially energy drinks. Using other people's hard earned money to harm your body is just awful.
So as the originator of this thread I'm going to weigh in on this (pun intended) and a few other things.
While I've never been on EBT, I'm someone who spent most of his life eating "garbage" and I can tell you it's very similar to an alcohol or drug addiction. I knew that fast/processed food was bad for me and going to cause me problems, but my body just craved it. I imagine the same would go for someone who finds themselves needing EBT. If they've developed the bad habit of eating "garbage", that's going to continue.
It's also not a socioeconomic or intelligence issue. I'm comfortably upper-middle class and have an IQ in the top 0.25% and I struggled with this to the point I've had to have not one but two bariatric surgeries.
There was some discussion earlier regarding the influence of parents and I can definitely say that my parents set me off on the wrong track in allowing us to have too much junk, but by the time I was in my 20s I knew very well what I was doing to myself and had every chance to fix it.
I understand that it's addictive. Sorry to sound unempathetic, but I don't care. As I said, no excuses. My and everyone else's tax dollars should not be fostering unhealthy addictions.
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Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 04, 2022, 05:22:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:19:02 PM
You'd might surprised how many fast food places accept alternative forms of payment like EBT.
I have zero respect for people who buy garbage with EBT. No excuses, period. Especially energy drinks. Using other people's hard earned money to harm your body is just awful.
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It's no different than non-wealthy people buying crap with currency. Just because you don't have means to buy a lot of excess stuff doesn't mean that you only buy food with the highest nutrient/$ ratio. If that were the case, people would only be buying rice, beans, and cabbage. That's why, although being a rich country we, in theory, should be the ones who have it the easiest to eat healthily, many people choose not to. I'm not getting to get flustered when people use $2 worth of EBT instead of two Washingtons to buy a Mountain Dew. They were going to do it anyway.
But the EBT was gifted to them by the government, and therefore by taxpayer money. Whereas they earned the $2, or found it on the street, or whatever. Point is, I don't care what people do with THEIR money. But EBT is not theirs.
You get to participate in the political process that determines how much of your tax money goes to EBT and how those benefits get distributed, but once that process is complete, that money is theirs and no longer yours.
Unless you're in the top 1% of income, you're paying less income taxes because those people are paying more, and that 1% doesn't get to tell you how to spend their money.
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Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 05:32:15 PMEBTs are my tax dollars that are supposed to be for people who cannot afford any food
And they're using it to buy food. What's the problem again?
I would be all for food stamps if there were stringent restrictions on the food that can be bought with them. The counter-argument to this might be that it's tricky to draw the line between what foods should be allowed and what foods shouldn't. But it's no different from how some foods have sales tax and others don't.
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 23, 2022, 07:12:06 PMThis post is meant to be an informative warning--I don't do this seeking sympathy.
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That puts me were I am today, 8 days removed from a gastric bypass surgery. What a miserable experience. Had to go on a pure liquid protein diet for 2 weeks before the surgery just to get my risk down to a level where the surgeon would do the operation. Have a post-op wound that has to be redressed twice a day for 2-4 more weeks. Have no appetite and still only consuming liquids post-surgery. Hard to sit comfortably. Hard to lie down and sleep comfortably. Have to pee every 2 hours. Have a long recovery ahead. Probably at least 2-3 months before I can consider restarting road clinching trips.
TL DR version: Getting fat is really bad for you. Don't let it happen to you. If you can't find other motivation to stay healthy, use my experience.
I know you're not asking for sympathy, but even so, I hope the rest of your recovery is smooth, complete, and rapid. My mother had multiple abdominal surgeries with wound care arrangements similar to what you describe, so I remember the accompanying discomfort.
Other people's metabolisms and personal circumstances are different, so I don't want to speak prescriptively, but have found it helpful to get 100% of the fiber RDA and at least five servings from at least three different vegetables (none of which is potato) every day, while going light on starchy foods such as bread, pasta, and pizza (but not avoiding them completely). Otherwise, I am very inconsistent about exercise other than walking, eat
ad libitum, and don't abstain from alcohol, fast food, junk food, or sweets.
I think it helps to think of diets in terms of inclusion (what should I be eating?) rather than exclusion (what do I need to avoid?), and behavior modification in terms of small changes in habits that accrete over time.
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:41:49 PM
My and everyone else's tax dollars should not be fostering unhealthy addictions.
I look forward to your plan to massively raise corporate taxes on companies that produce unhealthy food, thus eliminating their ability to get that food to consumers on the backs of taxpayers.
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 05:32:15 PMEBTs are my tax dollars that are supposed to be for people who cannot afford any food
And they're using it to buy food. What's the problem again?
I actually worked in a grocery store. $30 worth of Honey Sticks or Powerade is not "food", if you can afford to waste it like that you don't need my tax dollars. Most of these people also pull out a wad of cash and pay for Booze, Cigarettes, and then waddle out to a brand new Cadillac car. And most of them probabally have several thousand dollars worth of tattoos as well that they could afford, but supposedly not anything to eat. Its disgusting in the extreme.
The people I felt bad for were little old people on fixed incomes that came in and shopped the sale items, a few basic staples, maybe a cheap cut of meat if it was on sale. You could tell they were being frugal, and most of them spent their lives working and paying into the system to support the obese lady behind them in line paying for $30 worth of honey sticks with government money.
I started playing a mental game with myself, I would just look at the person and their cart of stuff and guess if they were paying with EBT or not before they got their wallet out. I was probabally right 80%+ of the time.
And to tie back to the original topic, I've found that the more a person weighs, the more likely they are to be using EBT . . .
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 05:32:15 PMEBTs are my tax dollars that are supposed to be for people who cannot afford any food
And they're using it to buy food. What's the problem again?
I actually worked in a grocery store. $30 worth of Honey Sticks or Powerade is not "food", if you can afford to waste it like that you don't need my tax dollars. Most of these people also pull out a wad of cash and pay for Booze, Cigarettes, and then waddle out to a brand new Cadillac car. And most of them probabally have several thousand dollars worth of tattoos as well that they could afford, but supposedly not anything to eat. Its disgusting in the extreme.
The people I felt bad for were little old people on fixed incomes that came in and shopped the sale items, a few basic staples, maybe a cheap cut of meat if it was on sale. You could tell they were being frugal, and most of them spent their lives working and paying into the system to support the obese lady behind them in line paying for $30 worth of honey sticks with government money.
I started playing a mental game with myself, I would just look at the person and their cart of stuff and guess if they were paying with EBT or not before they got their wallet out. I was probabally right 80%+ of the time.
And to tie back to the original topic, I've found that the more a person weighs, the more likely they are to be using EBT . . .
As I noted earlier, I'm a clear counterexample to that and there are plenty more where I came from.
Money is a fictional substance invented by the government, so it's kind of questionable as to whether it's ever actually "yours" to begin with. (Ask a Russian oligarch how their hard-earned rubles have been doing over the past week.)
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 05:38:12 PMMost of these people also pull out a wad of cash and pay for Booze, Cigarettes, and then waddle out to a brand new Cadillac car. And most of them probabally have several thousand dollars worth of tattoos as well that they could afford, but supposedly not anything to eat. Its disgusting in the extreme.
lol
Look, I'm sure "cashier at a convenience store" or whatever wasn't your dream job, but there are plenty of ways to get out of it that don't involve sneering at people who have five fewer dollars than you do. Maybe get off your ass and learn a trade in your off hours.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 04, 2022, 05:48:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 04, 2022, 05:32:15 PMEBTs are my tax dollars that are supposed to be for people who cannot afford any food
And they're using it to buy food. What's the problem again?
I actually worked in a grocery store. $30 worth of Honey Sticks or Powerade is not "food", if you can afford to waste it like that you don't need my tax dollars. Most of these people also pull out a wad of cash and pay for Booze, Cigarettes, and then waddle out to a brand new Cadillac car. And most of them probabally have several thousand dollars worth of tattoos as well that they could afford, but supposedly not anything to eat. Its disgusting in the extreme.
The people I felt bad for were little old people on fixed incomes that came in and shopped the sale items, a few basic staples, maybe a cheap cut of meat if it was on sale. You could tell they were being frugal, and most of them spent their lives working and paying into the system to support the obese lady behind them in line paying for $30 worth of honey sticks with government money.
I started playing a mental game with myself, I would just look at the person and their cart of stuff and guess if they were paying with EBT or not before they got their wallet out. I was probabally right 80%+ of the time.
And to tie back to the original topic, I've found that the more a person weighs, the more likely they are to be using EBT . . .
As I noted earlier, I'm a clear counterexample to that and there are plenty more where I came from.
Shoot, man. I cited my experiences of ringing up hundreds upon hundreds of people at grocery registers, and you shot it all down with your single-grain-of-sand personal anecdote.
(/s)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
And fast food, and candy, USING EBT. They can buy whatever they want with money they actually earned.
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
Where did I ever say that?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
So, mandate the COVID vaccine.
Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 07:57:17 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
So, mandate the COVID vaccine.
?
I'm open to discussing if this is an equivalency, I'd just like an explanation first.
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
I eat all sorts of fast food and have three energy drinks a day. I run half marathons every week and spend five days at the gym every week. My health is just fine despite my lack of a hyper clean diet. I know lots of people who struggle with weight who consume what might be construed as a more "ideal" diet. Just because someone eats fast food or has caffeinated drinks isn't causality on it's own for poor health, many more factors go into it. Being a dictator towards lower income demographics over what food they can buy solves nothing
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
I eat all sorts of fast food and have three energy drinks a day. I run half marathons every week and spend five days at the gym every week. My health is just fine despite my lack of a hyper clean diet. I know lots of people who struggle with weight who consume what might be construed as a more "ideal" diet. Just because someone eats fast food or has caffeinated drinks isn't causality on it's own for poor health, many more factors go into it. Being a dictator towards lower income demographics over what food they can buy solves nothing
There have been countless studies done on the extremely harmful effects of fast food and energy drinks on health . . .
Yes, there are many more factors that go into it, but fixing eating habits is always a good place to start when getting healthier . . .
I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
I eat all sorts of fast food and have three energy drinks a day. I run half marathons every week and spend five days at the gym every week. My health is just fine despite my lack of a hyper clean diet. I know lots of people who struggle with weight who consume what might be construed as a more "ideal" diet. Just because someone eats fast food or has caffeinated drinks isn't causality on it's own for poor health, many more factors go into it. Being a dictator towards lower income demographics over what food they can buy solves nothing
There have been countless studies done on the extremely harmful effects of fast food and energy drinks on health . . .
Yes, there are many more factors that go into it, but fixing eating habits is always a good place to start when getting healthier . . .
I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
This is clearly more about you wanting to enforce your will upon people than it is about you giving a damn about the health of anyone.
I'm going to leave it at that, if I say what I really want to it would probably get me some Mod points. I'm a pretty middle of the road guy but it's hard for me to sit here and read nonsense like this.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
I eat all sorts of fast food and have three energy drinks a day. I run half marathons every week and spend five days at the gym every week. My health is just fine despite my lack of a hyper clean diet. I know lots of people who struggle with weight who consume what might be construed as a more "ideal" diet. Just because someone eats fast food or has caffeinated drinks isn't causality on it's own for poor health, many more factors go into it. Being a dictator towards lower income demographics over what food they can buy solves nothing
There have been countless studies done on the extremely harmful effects of fast food and energy drinks on health . . .
Yes, there are many more factors that go into it, but fixing eating habits is always a good place to start when getting healthier . . .
I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
This is clearly more about you wanting to enforce your will upon people than it is about you giving a damn about the health of anyone.
I'm going to leave it at that, if I say what I really want to it would probably get me some Mod points. I'm a pretty middle of the road guy but it's hard for me to sit here and read nonsense like this.
I would be happy to change my opinion if you actually had reasons. Looks like all you've got is a bunch of personal anecdotes and calling me a dictator.
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
I eat all sorts of fast food and have three energy drinks a day. I run half marathons every week and spend five days at the gym every week. My health is just fine despite my lack of a hyper clean diet. I know lots of people who struggle with weight who consume what might be construed as a more "ideal" diet. Just because someone eats fast food or has caffeinated drinks isn't causality on it's own for poor health, many more factors go into it. Being a dictator towards lower income demographics over what food they can buy solves nothing
There have been countless studies done on the extremely harmful effects of fast food and energy drinks on health . . .
Yes, there are many more factors that go into it, but fixing eating habits is always a good place to start when getting healthier . . .
I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
This is clearly more about you wanting to enforce your will upon people than it is about you giving a damn about the health of anyone.
I'm going to leave it at that, if I say what I really want to it would probably get me some Mod points. I'm a pretty middle of the road guy but it's hard for me to sit here and read nonsense like this.
I would be happy to change my opinion if you actually had reasons. Looks like all you've got is a bunch of personal anecdotes and calling me a dictator.
I don't feel the need to find reason with people who promote authoritarian measures over what people eat in a specific demographic. I'm under no delusional that people like you are interested in changing their opinions or are capable.
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:06:24 PM
I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
Enforcing restrictions on what people can and can't do costs more money than is actually spent. Every restriction you add spends more of your (not actually your) money.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
I eat all sorts of fast food and have three energy drinks a day. I run half marathons every week and spend five days at the gym every week. My health is just fine despite my lack of a hyper clean diet. I know lots of people who struggle with weight who consume what might be construed as a more "ideal" diet. Just because someone eats fast food or has caffeinated drinks isn't causality on it's own for poor health, many more factors go into it. Being a dictator towards lower income demographics over what food they can buy solves nothing
There have been countless studies done on the extremely harmful effects of fast food and energy drinks on health . . .
Yes, there are many more factors that go into it, but fixing eating habits is always a good place to start when getting healthier . . .
I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
This is clearly more about you wanting to enforce your will upon people than it is about you giving a damn about the health of anyone.
I'm going to leave it at that, if I say what I really want to it would probably get me some Mod points. I'm a pretty middle of the road guy but it's hard for me to sit here and read nonsense like this.
I would be happy to change my opinion if you actually had reasons. Looks like all you've got is a bunch of personal anecdotes and calling me a dictator.
I don't feel the need to find reason with people who promote authoritarian measures over what people eat in a specific demographic. I'm under no delusional that people like you are interested in changing their opinions or are capable.
The more you insult me the worse this gets for you . . .
You might not believe me, but a lot of my political views have changed completely in the last few years . . . I don't strictly align with a party, I'm left-wing on some issues and right-wing on others. That should be a sign of someone who is willing to look at things from an unbiased perspective.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:06:24 PM
I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
Enforcing restrictions on what people can and can't do costs more money than is actually spent. Every restriction you add spends more of your (not actually your) money.
How so in this case? Seriously, I'm asking. Don't be like Max and just assume that I'm not going to change my opinion.
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 07:57:17 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
So, mandate the COVID vaccine.
?
I'm open to discussing if this is an equivalency, I'd just like an explanation first.
You care about publicly funded public health by restricting people who receive public funds from eating what they want.
COVID vaccines were also funded with public dollars. Therefore, just like you want to force the poor to be healthy so taxes are not wasted, forcing people to get vaccinated so our taxes would not go to waste and improve public health would be consistent.
Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 07:57:17 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
So, mandate the COVID vaccine.
?
I'm open to discussing if this is an equivalency, I'd just like an explanation first.
You care about publicly funded public health by restricting people who receive public funds from eating what they want.
COVID vaccines were also funded with public dollars. Therefore, just like you want to force the poor to be healthy so taxes are not wasted, forcing people to get vaccinated so our taxes would not go to waste and improve public health would be consistent.
I'm not paying to government so that people can remain unvaccinated though. In the case of food stamps, I'm paying the government so that a lot of people can buy Mtn Dew.
I know that not all people using food stamps are buying unhealthy things.
^^^
You are aware once your tax money is collected, it is not really "yours" anymore?
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
I eat all sorts of fast food and have three energy drinks a day. I run half marathons every week and spend five days at the gym every week. My health is just fine despite my lack of a hyper clean diet. I know lots of people who struggle with weight who consume what might be construed as a more "ideal" diet. Just because someone eats fast food or has caffeinated drinks isn't causality on it's own for poor health, many more factors go into it. Being a dictator towards lower income demographics over what food they can buy solves nothing
There have been countless studies done on the extremely harmful effects of fast food and energy drinks on health . . .
Yes, there are many more factors that go into it, but fixing eating habits is always a good place to start when getting healthier . . .
I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
This is clearly more about you wanting to enforce your will upon people than it is about you giving a damn about the health of anyone.
I'm going to leave it at that, if I say what I really want to it would probably get me some Mod points. I'm a pretty middle of the road guy but it's hard for me to sit here and read nonsense like this.
I would be happy to change my opinion if you actually had reasons. Looks like all you've got is a bunch of personal anecdotes and calling me a dictator.
I don't feel the need to find reason with people who promote authoritarian measures over what people eat in a specific demographic. I'm under no delusional that people like you are interested in changing their opinions or are capable.
The more you insult me the worse this gets for you . . .
You might not believe me, but a lot of my political views have changed completely in the last few years . . . I don't strictly align with a party, I'm left-wing on some issues and right-wing on others. That should be a sign of someone who is willing to look at things from an unbiased perspective.
The worse it gets for me? Do you actually think that I'll lose sleep over what you think? I guess at the end of the day I'm glad certain things just aren't up to you.
I'm certain of very few things in life and I try my best not to carry an "absolutist" mindset. Two things I'm sure about are statements that include "those people" and wanting to do things like restrict what "certain" people eat always come from a place of malice.
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:44:49 PMI would be all for food stamps if there were stringent restrictions on the food that can be bought with them
OK, well, since we're all about facts and logic and reason in this thread, here are the current restrictions on how food stamps can be used in Illinois. Are these stringent enough, and if not, what additional restrictions would you suggest we place on them?
SNAP benefits can be used to buy:
any food or food product for human consumption,
seeds and plants for use in home gardens to produce food.
SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy:
Hot foods ready to eat,
Food intended to be heated in the store,
Lunch counter items or foods to be eaten in the store,
Vitamins or medicines,
Pet foods,
Any nonfood items (except seeds and plants),
Alcoholic beverages,
Tobacco
Menstrual products and diapers. The USDA does not currently have a waiver for states to allow customers to purchase menstrual products or diapers with SNAP/WIC benefits.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 08:40:09 PM
^^^
You are aware once your tax money is collected, it is not really "yours" anymore?
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Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
I eat all sorts of fast food and have three energy drinks a day. I run half marathons every week and spend five days at the gym every week. My health is just fine despite my lack of a hyper clean diet. I know lots of people who struggle with weight who consume what might be construed as a more "ideal" diet. Just because someone eats fast food or has caffeinated drinks isn't causality on it's own for poor health, many more factors go into it. Being a dictator towards lower income demographics over what food they can buy solves nothing
There have been countless studies done on the extremely harmful effects of fast food and energy drinks on health . . .
Yes, there are many more factors that go into it, but fixing eating habits is always a good place to start when getting healthier . . .
I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
This is clearly more about you wanting to enforce your will upon people than it is about you giving a damn about the health of anyone.
I'm going to leave it at that, if I say what I really want to it would probably get me some Mod points. I'm a pretty middle of the road guy but it's hard for me to sit here and read nonsense like this.
I would be happy to change my opinion if you actually had reasons. Looks like all you've got is a bunch of personal anecdotes and calling me a dictator.
I don't feel the need to find reason with people who promote authoritarian measures over what people eat in a specific demographic. I'm under no delusional that people like you are interested in changing their opinions or are capable.
The more you insult me the worse this gets for you . . .
You might not believe me, but a lot of my political views have changed completely in the last few years . . . I don't strictly align with a party, I'm left-wing on some issues and right-wing on others. That should be a sign of someone who is willing to look at things from an unbiased perspective.
The worse it gets for me? Do you actually think that I'll lose sleep over what you think? I guess at the end of the day I'm glad certain things just aren't up to you.
I'm certain of very few things in life and I try my best not to carry an "absolutist" mindset. Two things I'm sure about are statements that include "those people" and wanting to do things like restrict what "certain" people eat always come from a place of malice.
Okay, the use of "my" was inaccurate. Can I rephrase that as "I don't want the government's money going towards that"?
I know you're not losing sleep, nobody is.
How exactly do I want to restrict what certain people *can* eat?
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Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 05:44:49 PMI would be all for food stamps if there were stringent restrictions on the food that can be bought with them
OK, well, since we're all about facts and logic and reason in this thread, here are the current restrictions on how food stamps can be used in Illinois. Are these stringent enough, and if not, what additional restrictions would you suggest we place on them?
SNAP benefits can be used to buy:
any food or food product for human consumption,
seeds and plants for use in home gardens to produce food.
SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy:
Hot foods ready to eat,
Food intended to be heated in the store,
Lunch counter items or foods to be eaten in the store,
Vitamins or medicines,
Pet foods,
Any nonfood items (except seeds and plants),
Alcoholic beverages,
Tobacco
Menstrual products and diapers. The USDA does not currently have a waiver for states to allow customers to purchase menstrual products or diapers with SNAP/WIC benefits.
Adding on to that list, I'd just ban food stamps from soda, energy drinks, and candy/other high sugar foods.
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I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
Enforcing restrictions on what people can and can't do costs more money than is actually spent. Every restriction you add spends more of your (not actually your) money.
How so in this case? Seriously, I'm asking. Don't be like Max and just assume that I'm not going to change my opinion.
For each restriction you add, some bureaucrat has to go down the list of UPC codes and decide which items are acceptable and which are not. (This is not as cut and dried as it may appear at first blush: consider a granola bar. That's healthy, right? What if chocolate chips are added? Is it still healthy enough? What about if you chocolate-coat it? Where is the line drawn officially?) That person is paid out of taxpayer funds.
If the manufacturer of a product, a retailer, or a private citizen decides to take issue with the bureaucrat's decision, they may file a formal complaint with the agency. That complaint then has to be settled by people paid out of taxpayer funds. The issue may even go to court, and the lawyers defending the decision are paid out of taxpayer funds. (Do you really think that if they banned using EBT on Mountain Dew that PepsiCo
wouldn't sue to reverse that decision, and that they wouldn't bring the finest lawyers money can buy?)
Depending on the exact sort of regulation this is, the law may even require a public comment period required every time the list of banned products is changed. Each time one of those happens, a bureaucrat is required to read all of the comments, summarize them, and take them into account as part of the rule-making process. This eats up a tremendous amount of time–the public comment on the latest MUTCD closed last May and they still haven't managed to make it through all of the comments yet. All of these bureaucrats' time is paid for out of taxpayer funds.
Make the restrictions go away and the reasoning for all of those bureaucrats evaporates.
Oh, you say. Well, we can save that money by trusting the retailers to enforce the law. Except now every store has to hire an EBT compliance officer to determine what is and isn't allowable. Oh buddy! Now the retailers are going to raise their prices and you'll still get socked with the cost of paying that compliance person, and the cost is going to be much higher, because instead of a centralized staff of government bureaucrats in the capital calling the shots, every store has their own compliance person they have to pay. And you
still have to pay that centralized staff of government bureaucrats, because when the stores' compliance people aren't sure whether something is allowable or not, there has to be someone to answer whether the store is going to get in trouble or not.
And under either scenario...what if a store owner realizes that they can make a decent chunk of change selling Mountain Dew and accepting EBT for it on the sly? Maybe they sell a case of bottled water for the same price as a 12-pack of Mountain Dew and they "accidentally" scan the wrong barcode sometimes. Well, now you need an enforcement staff to investigate and prosecute these. And...all of
those people are on the government payroll too.
Or you can just say "Hey, it'd be cheaper to just let the government spend $4 on buying some guy a pack of Mountain Dew."
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:37:02 PMIn the case of food stamps, I'm paying the government so that a lot of people can buy Mtn Dew.
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Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:37:02 PMI know that not all people using food stamps are buying unhealthy things.
To heavily paraphrase a recent meme, the people you and HighwayMan [allegedly] see buying unhealthy food with food stamps won't see you sneering at them, but the boarders who have either relied on government assistance in the past, or do so now, will. And speaking as someone who collected unemployment insurance from 2020 to 2021, and enrolled my son in the state Medicare program, as well as someone who knows that warning points are temporary, I issue the heartiest of "go fuck yourselves, you callous elitists" to both you and HighwayMan.
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:37:02 PMI know that not all people using food stamps are buying unhealthy things.
To heavily paraphrase a recent meme, the people you and HighwayMan [allegedly] see buying unhealthy food with food stamps won't see you sneering at them, but the boarders who have either relied on government assistance in the past, or do so now, will. And speaking as someone who collected unemployment insurance from 2020 to 2021, and enrolled my son in the state Medicare program, as well as someone who knows that warning points are temporary, I issue the heartiest of "go fuck yourselves, you callous elitists" to both you and HighwayMan.
I had to check back in the thread to see what TheHighwayMan394 had to say (I would be very surprised if he agreed with thspfc). Turns out it wasn't him at all...
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 08:48:55 PM
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I've said twice, people can buy whatever they want with THEIR money. All I want is more restrictions on what they can buy with YOUR money and MY money.
Enforcing restrictions on what people can and can't do costs more money than is actually spent. Every restriction you add spends more of your (not actually your) money.
How so in this case? Seriously, I'm asking. Don't be like Max and just assume that I'm not going to change my opinion.
For each restriction you add, some bureaucrat has to go down the list of UPC codes and decide which items are acceptable and which are not. (This is not as cut and dried as it may appear at first blush: consider a granola bar. That's healthy, right? What if chocolate chips are added? Is it still healthy enough? What about if you chocolate-coat it? Where is the line drawn officially?) That person is paid out of taxpayer funds.
If the manufacturer of a product, a retailer, or a private citizen decides to take issue with the bureaucrat's decision, they may file a formal complaint with the agency. That complaint then has to be settled by people paid out of taxpayer funds. The issue may even go to court, and the lawyers defending the decision are paid out of taxpayer funds. (Do you really think that if they banned using EBT on Mountain Dew that PepsiCo wouldn't sue to reverse that decision, and that they wouldn't bring the finest lawyers money can buy?)
Depending on the exact sort of regulation this is, the law may even require a public comment period required every time the list of banned products is changed. Each time one of those happens, a bureaucrat is required to read all of the comments, summarize them, and take them into account as part of the rule-making process. This eats up a tremendous amount of time–the public comment on the latest MUTCD closed last May and they still haven't managed to make it through all of the comments yet. All of these bureaucrats' time is paid for out of taxpayer funds.
Make the restrictions go away and the reasoning for all of those bureaucrats evaporates.
Oh, you say. Well, we can save that money by trusting the retailers to enforce the law. Except now every store has to hire an EBT compliance officer to determine what is and isn't allowable. Oh buddy! Now the retailers are going to raise their prices and you'll still get socked with the cost of paying that compliance person, and the cost is going to be much higher, because instead of a centralized staff of government bureaucrats in the capital calling the shots, every store has their own compliance person they have to pay. And you still have to pay that centralized staff of government bureaucrats, because when the stores' compliance people aren't sure whether something is allowable or not, there has to be someone to answer whether the store is going to get in trouble or not.
And under either scenario...what if a store owner realizes that they can make a decent chunk of change selling Mountain Dew and accepting EBT for it on the sly? Maybe they sell a case of bottled water for the same price as a 12-pack of Mountain Dew and they "accidentally" scan the wrong barcode sometimes. Well, now you need an enforcement staff to investigate and prosecute these. And...all of those people are on the government payroll too.
Or you can just say "Hey, it'd be cheaper to just let the government spend $4 on buying some guy a pack of Mountain Dew."
The line-drawing would be the most difficult part, but as I said, it's not much different than how some food items have sales tax and others do not.
I feel it would save government money in the long run (as all of those guys spending $4 on Mtn Dew adds up). You may be right, maybe not.
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:37:02 PMIn the case of food stamps, I'm paying the government so that a lot of people can buy Mtn Dew.
[citation needed]
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:37:02 PMI know that not all people using food stamps are buying unhealthy things.
To heavily paraphrase a recent meme, the people you and HighwayMan [allegedly] see buying unhealthy food with food stamps won't see you sneering at them, but the boarders who have either relied on government assistance in the past, or do so now, will. And speaking as someone who collected unemployment insurance from 2020 to 2021, and enrolled my son in the state Medicare program, as well as someone who knows that warning points are temporary, I issue the heartiest of "go fuck yourselves, you callous elitists" to both you and HighwayMan.
Why the personal attacks though?
I'm not one for "moral high ground" , but even I think this is a little extreme . . .
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
The line-drawing would be the most difficult part, but as I said, it's not much different than how some food items have sales tax and others do not.
I feel it would save government money in the long run (as all of those guys spending $4 on Mtn Dew adds up). You may be right, maybe not.
Right, but, like...the line drawing is
why it gets so expensive. Because no matter where you draw the line, you are going to draw it on the wrong side of some marginal cases. And if those marginal cases lawyer up...
Even if you set some bright-line rule like "no more than X grams of sugar per serving"...well, now all you've done is incentivized them to make a serving ⅛ of a bar. And you have to have a public comment period where some people are going to say 40 grams is too high and they'd rather it be 35, some people will say it should be 20, others are mad that you're making the determination on sugar when sodium is far worse, etc. etc. And you have to pay to decide what the final rule will be. And settle the inevitable lawsuits afterward.
This is before you even get to the part where the sugar industry starts throwing its money around and making campaign contributions...
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Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
The line-drawing would be the most difficult part, but as I said, it's not much different than how some food items have sales tax and others do not.
I feel it would save government money in the long run (as all of those guys spending $4 on Mtn Dew adds up). You may be right, maybe not.
Right, but, like...the line drawing is why it gets so expensive. Because no matter where you draw the line, you are going to draw it on the wrong side of some marginal cases. And if those marginal cases lawyer up...
Even if you set some bright-line rule like "no more than X grams of sugar per serving"...well, now all you've done is incentivized them to make a serving ⅛ of a bar. And you have to have a public comment period where some people are going to say 40 grams is too high and they'd rather it be 35, some people will say it should be 20, others are mad that you're making the determination on sugar when sodium is far worse, etc. etc. And you have to pay to decide what the final rule will be. And settle the inevitable lawsuits afterward.
This is before you even get to the part where the sugar industry starts throwing its money around and making campaign contributions...
You're right, it would be a chore. I still think it could save money in the long run, but it would be very messy, it might not be worth it.
So while I still think it's kinda "low" of people to buy energy drinks and soda with food stamps, imposing additional restrictions is not as feasible as I thought.
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Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:37:02 PMIn the case of food stamps, I'm paying the government so that a lot of people can buy Mtn Dew.
[citation needed]
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:37:02 PMI know that not all people using food stamps are buying unhealthy things.
To heavily paraphrase a recent meme, the people you and HighwayMan [allegedly] see buying unhealthy food with food stamps won't see you sneering at them, but the boarders who have either relied on government assistance in the past, or do so now, will. And speaking as someone who collected unemployment insurance from 2020 to 2021, and enrolled my son in the state Medicare program, as well as someone who knows that warning points are temporary, I issue the heartiest of "go fuck yourselves, you callous elitists" to both you and HighwayMan.
Why the personal attacks though?
I'm not one for "moral high ground" , but even I think this is a little extreme . . .
Because you're making personal attacks on me by stating that you should have been able to follow me around stores and approve or deny purchases I made using the unemployment insurance I was collecting.
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Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:37:02 PMIn the case of food stamps, I'm paying the government so that a lot of people can buy Mtn Dew.
[citation needed]
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:37:02 PMI know that not all people using food stamps are buying unhealthy things.
To heavily paraphrase a recent meme, the people you and HighwayMan [allegedly] see buying unhealthy food with food stamps won't see you sneering at them, but the boarders who have either relied on government assistance in the past, or do so now, will. And speaking as someone who collected unemployment insurance from 2020 to 2021, and enrolled my son in the state Medicare program, as well as someone who knows that warning points are temporary, I issue the heartiest of "go fuck yourselves, you callous elitists" to both you and HighwayMan.
Why the personal attacks though?
I'm not one for "moral high ground" , but even I think this is a little extreme . . .
Because you're making personal attacks on me by stating that you should have been able to follow me around stores and approve or deny purchases I made using the unemployment insurance I was collecting.
By that logic, it's a personal attack to deny someone trying to buy a lottery ticket with a credit card.
That is the worst false equivalence I've ever read, and I've read a lot of false equivalences.
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 09:14:57 PM
That is the worst false equivalence I've ever read, and I've read a lot of false equivalences.
How so?
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
So, mandate the COVID vaccine.
?
I'm open to discussing if this is an equivalency, I'd just like an explanation first.
You care about publicly funded public health by restricting people who receive public funds from eating what they want.
COVID vaccines were also funded with public dollars. Therefore, just like you want to force the poor to be healthy so taxes are not wasted, forcing people to get vaccinated so our taxes would not go to waste and improve public health would be consistent.
I'm not paying to government so that people can remain unvaccinated though. In the case of food stamps, I'm paying the government so that a lot of people can buy Mtn Dew.
I know that not all people using food stamps are buying unhealthy things.
You paid the government to get the vaccine developed. Every person that does not get the vaccine that could represents a waste of that investment, just like you think people purchasing junk food with EBT are wasting your money. Therefore, if you are going to restrict diets out of the idea of wasting government funds, then we also need a vaccine mandate to ensure our funding of the vaccine also does not go to waste.
It is inconsistent to force people to do what you want in the case of food stamps while shying away from vaccine mandates when both actions improve public health. Either you are for heavy-handed government in enforcing public health, or you're not.
Or, you're just wanting to be a jerk towards poor people.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Okay so if I have it right the lesson out this thread is that EBT users should be banned from buying Mountain Dew and energy drinks?
No, it's "the poor are subhuman."
And undeserving of Mountain Dew or Red Bull.
Hopefully nobody mistakes my sarcasm. I'm just taken aback by some these assertions being made about EBT users. There even a "these people" in this thread, can't say I'm surprised by who wrote it.
How the fuck is this about health and diet monitoring now?
Because restricting people from buying garbage with money they were given for free would improve their health.
So, mandate the COVID vaccine.
?
I'm open to discussing if this is an equivalency, I'd just like an explanation first.
You care about publicly funded public health by restricting people who receive public funds from eating what they want.
COVID vaccines were also funded with public dollars. Therefore, just like you want to force the poor to be healthy so taxes are not wasted, forcing people to get vaccinated so our taxes would not go to waste and improve public health would be consistent.
I'm not paying to government so that people can remain unvaccinated though. In the case of food stamps, I'm paying the government so that a lot of people can buy Mtn Dew.
I know that not all people using food stamps are buying unhealthy things.
You paid the government to get the vaccine developed. Every person that does not get the vaccine that could represents a waste of that investment, just like you think people purchasing junk food with EBT are wasting your money. Therefore, if you are going to restrict diets out of the idea of wasting government funds, then we also need a vaccine mandate to ensure our funding of the vaccine also does not go to waste.
It is inconsistent to force people to do what you want in the case of food stamps while shying away from vaccine mandates when both actions improve public health. Either you are for heavy-handed government in enforcing public health, or you're not.
Or, you're just wanting to be a jerk towards poor people.
Seeing as there is a large surplus of vaccines right now in the US, I'd say you're right about it being the same as food stamps, as the money is being wasted.
I did reverse my position on additional restrictions upthread, this reinforces that decision. So thank you.
Just one thing: banning cigarettes would fall under the "heavy-handed" category. So if I was in favor of both restrictions on food stamps and vaccine mandates (which I am not), would I be in favor of that as well?
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I find it hilarious that we're arguing the tax ramifications when in reality, none of your money goes to anything we're talking about.
Let's say you make $60k a year. That means you're in the 22% tax bracket. So you pay $13,200 a year in taxes (or less). Last stat I saw says SNAP benefits are 1.3% of the government's budget, so now we're down to $171.60. 38 million people are on SNAP benefits, and let's say 50% (a very high number for argument's sake) are "wasting their benefits", so you're basically buying 80 Red Bulls for 19 million people to share.
I have more important things to worry about than those people each getting 1.5 microliters of an energy drink on my dime.
↑ Indeed. And at the same time, the Air Force is buying $500 staplers or whatever else sort of overengineered faff some bright guy at Northrup Grumman shit out.
Hell, if I made $60k and some guy from a charity came up to me and asked for a $171 donation explicitly to buy Red Bulls for poor people, I'd probably just hand him the two Benjamins and tell him to keep the change. I've worked third shift before.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 04, 2022, 10:10:04 PM
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I find it hilarious that we're arguing the tax ramifications when in reality, none of your money goes to anything we're talking about.
Let's say you make $60k a year. That means you're in the 22% tax bracket. So you pay $13,200 a year in taxes (or less). Last stat I saw says SNAP benefits are 1.3% of the government's budget, so now we're down to $171.60. 38 million people are on SNAP benefits, and let's say 50% (a very high number for argument's sake) are "wasting their benefits", so you're basically buying 80 Red Bulls for 19 million people to share.
I have more important things to worry about than those people each getting 1.5 microliters of an energy drink on my dime.
We all have more important things to worry about, but just because it's an insignificant sum of money doesn't mean it's totally meaningless. I wouldn't throw a dollar bill in a river.
I should hope not. Throwing a dollar bill in a river is pollution. You know how dirty those things are? Sheesh.
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I find it hilarious that we're arguing the tax ramifications when in reality, none of your money goes to anything we're talking about.
Let's say you make $60k a year. That means you're in the 22% tax bracket. So you pay $13,200 a year in taxes (or less). Last stat I saw says SNAP benefits are 1.3% of the government's budget, so now we're down to $171.60. 38 million people are on SNAP benefits, and let's say 50% (a very high number for argument's sake) are "wasting their benefits", so you're basically buying 80 Red Bulls for 19 million people to share.
I have more important things to worry about than those people each getting 1.5 microliters of an energy drink on my dime.
We all have more important things to worry about, but just because it's an insignificant sum of money doesn't mean it's totally meaningless. I wouldn't throw a dollar bill in a river.
But I also wouldn't jump in to save it.
My tax dollars go to all kinds of shit I don't approve of. Some dude can have a Dew on me.
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 04:17:05 PM
My wife and I use EBT. And, I must admit, it is a little unsettling that we can buy deep-fried bacon-wrapped lard sticks (if such a thing existed) with it just as easily as we can buy kale and cucumbers.
From my perspective as one of "these people"...
Even though I find it a little unsettling that I can buy junk food with it just as well as healthy food, I also appreciate the freedom it affords us to actually choose our own diet. We eat a well-balanced home-cooked diet at least five or six days out of the week. But the boys also like to have a bowl of ice cream every so often. And my wife, who operates a licensed home daycare, gives out M&Ms as a reward during potty training. And so on and so forth. Part of having a balanced diet is allowing yourself to have a little bit of a sugary or fatty treat every once in a while.
As for junk food being addictive, it's totally true. I've finally gotten myself off soda, and it took a couple of years. And still, sometimes, I fix myself a gin and tonic not because I crave the gin but because I crave the tonic. The only juice I drink is a quarter-glass full of grapefruit juice in the morning; if I didn't limit myself to that small amount, then I'd probably end up going through a jug of Jumex every two or three days–just like I used to back when I was single.
And as for fat people being more likely to be on EBT, well, let me be blunt: salads cost more than tacos. The more money you have to spend, the more freedom you have to make healthy shopping choices. If you're poor enough to be on EBT, then chances are good you're not cooking braised endive as a side dish: no, you're more likely to be buying ramen noodles by the case-quantity in order to get those EBT dollars to stretch all the way to the end of the month. We manage to get a balanced diet from EBT, but that's partly because I grew up in with parents who (a) were decently well off and (b) love to cook from scratch–especially my dad–and taught me how to cook since almost before I can remember.
And that just makes me think of the reality that newer generations are less likely to be as affluent as their parents now in the U.S. (which has dropped to a laughable level on the social mobility index...).
Cooking ability is an excellent point to bring up. My mom taught me how to cook a half-dozen or so dishes when I was a kid, but I can never manage to make them come out quite right, so I can only cook for myself so often before I start to need a break from it and eat something unhealthy. Some people didn't even have the benefit of having a parent teach them how to cook (maybe they worked odd hours and were never around, or they didn't know how to cook). What are these people supposed to do, eat raw chicken?
The subject of what even constitutes a healthy diet has been relentlessly obfuscated by the marketing departments of the agriculture and diet industries, as well, so it's hard to even know what is healthy and what is not anymore. Nobody ever taught me about macronutrients; I had to learn that from some fitness app sponsored by an athletic-gear manufacturer.
These are the sorts of things we should probably be teaching in school instead of whatever new and exciting ways of torturing Greek letters the mathematicians have come up with.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 04, 2022, 11:14:25 PM
My tax dollars go to all kinds of shit I don't approve of. Some dude can have a Dew on me.
:clap:
Yes, some cooking classes would be a good use of that money. How to eat for cheap without loading up on carbs... how to prepare large dishes and then keep the leftovers and use them...
With cooking, as with other skills, one has to start small and then build up. I was lucky to have two parents and a grandmother living nearby who all knew how to cook and passed on many of their skills, but I have taught myself much of what I know since the types of foods I fix have changed over the years.
I have found it helps to have a meal plan to guide grocery shopping and help ensure I prepare food on time that meets dietary goals for quantity and diversity. Taking yesterday as an example:
* Breakfast: coffee, orange juice, hot oatmeal
* Lunch: 15-bean soup, carrots
* Dinner: broccoli pasta (broccoli and garlic cooked in olive oil and then water, served over cooked whole-wheat spaghetti with feta cheese--based on an old Moosewood recipe)
* Supper/before-bed snack: clementine, Cheerios with milk, apple
All of these except the dinner dish are part of my daily routine, and I make bean soup for the whole week on Sunday. I start preparing the broccoli pasta (mincing the garlic cloves, chopping a crown or two of broccoli, readying boiling water for the pasta) about 30 minutes to an hour before the expected serving time. All other heating occurs in the microwave.
This gives me about five or six servings from five different vegetables (onion, tomato, garlic, carrot, broccoli) and carries me over the 100% fiber RDA by the time I finish lunch (oatmeal has about 33% of the RDA while bean soup has about 60% from beans alone).
There are some dishes I like that exceed my nutrient diversity goals, but I don't fix them often, usually because they take too long. For example, I have never managed to get ratatouille on the table with less than an hour-and-half preparation time, so I seldom cook it, even though it gives me servings from six different vegetables (onion, garlic, zucchini, eggplant, bell pepper, and tomato). (I also find it to be a very lean dish, to the point I need to eke it out with a poached egg.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:51:18 PM
Money is a fictional substance invented by the government, so it's kind of questionable as to whether it's ever actually "yours" to begin with. (Ask a Russian oligarch how their hard-earned rubles have been doing over the past week.)
No, money is not "invented" by government, nor is it "fictional", money has existed for as long as man had anything that could resemble an economy that used any kind of markets. It is a natural consequence of allowing people to trade.
Governments can and do regulate and attempt to manipulate the monetary system.
As to the rubles, they are still right in the account where the Russian oligarch left them. They still have the money, it has not disappeared. Its value for international trade may be lower, but that type of fluctuation happens all the time to all currencies, especially those without a reserve status. And of course, if Russia were to swap to a Petro-Ruble system they would be able to restore a significant amount of value to the currency.
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 05, 2022, 01:35:18 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:51:18 PM
Money is a fictional substance invented by the government, so it's kind of questionable as to whether it's ever actually "yours" to begin with. (Ask a Russian oligarch how their hard-earned rubles have been doing over the past week.)
No, money is not "invented" by government, nor is it "fictional", money has existed for as long as man had anything that could resemble an economy that used any kind of markets. It is a natural consequence of allowing people to trade.
Governments can and do regulate and attempt to manipulate the monetary system.
As to the rubles, they are still right in the account where the Russian oligarch left them. They still have the money, it has not disappeared. Its value for international trade may be lower, but that type of fluctuation happens all the time to all currencies, especially those without a reserve status. And of course, if Russia were to swap to a Petro-Ruble system they would be able to restore a significant amount of value to the currency.
Incorrect.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 11:32:03 PM
Some people didn't even have the benefit of having a parent teach them how to cook (maybe they worked odd hours and were never around, or they didn't know how to cook).
In my wife's case, she was basically raised by her grandparents (she came from a very broken home), and her grandmother cooked and baked. But she also didn't want anyone else in the kitchen when she was cooking. Some people have a "this is my kitchen" mentality while they're cooking, and I totally get it. An effect of that, however, is that my wife didn't actually learn how to cook. When I first met her, all she really knew how to make was pineapple upside-down cake. But then, when she moved to be closer to me (10 miles away instead of 500), she took a job as a live-in nanny, and part of the job description was cooking supper for the family. Talk about a short learning curve! She started out following cookbook recipes to the letter, but she quickly learned the basics of cooking that way. Nowadays, she hardly ever follows a recipe exactly the way it's laid out. She can't just open up the refrigerator and cupboards and invent a meal idea on the spot, the way I can, but otherwise she's now quite the decent cook.
In my dad's case, his mother didn't teach him how to cook. And my mom's parents barely even knew
how to cook. But, early on in their marriage, my parents worked different shifts. A lot of days, they'd pass each other on the road–one going to work and one coming home. And it was my mom who worked the evening shift. My dad, at the time, was still in college/seminary and working on the side. My older sister was still quite little at that time, and he found himself in charge of cooking most evenings: for himself, a good friend who helped with babysitting and such, and my sister. So he bought a copy of the 1971 New York Times International Cookbook and learned how to cook from that. By the time I came along and was old enough to help in the kitchen, he was a whiz a cooking.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 11:32:03 PM
The subject of what even constitutes a healthy diet has been relentlessly obfuscated by the marketing departments of the agriculture and diet industries, as well, so it's hard to even know what is healthy and what is not anymore. Nobody ever taught me about macronutrients; I had to learn that from some fitness app sponsored by an athletic-gear manufacturer.
I teach my kids the value of eating a variety of foods every week, and they're often involved in the meal planning (we plan two weeks at a time). For example, we try to have three different kinds of meat each week, and we change up the side dishes. Some meals are more carb-heavy, others are more fat-heavy, others are basically lean (this is actually due to the diet plan that my wife [sort of] follows, which has one keep carbs and fats in separate meals as much as possible). We've also had conversations about moderation–and that includes sugar as well as alcohol.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 11:32:03 PM
These are the sorts of things we should probably be teaching in school instead of whatever new and exciting ways of torturing Greek letters the mathematicians have come up with.
Yeah, my high school had gotten rid of home ec by the time I was there, but I think it's a valuable thing. I'm not 100% sure it's the school's responsibility to teach it, but I'd say it's just as important as p.e.–so, if schools should be teaching exercise, then maybe they should also be teaching healthy life skills like cooking.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 05, 2022, 01:15:34 AM
All of these except the dinner dish are part of my daily routine ...
I used to have a less varied diet as well: the same thing for both breakfast and lunch every day, and only supper changing from day to day. But, when I started to eat healthier lunches a year ago or so, I also added some variety. I now have four lunch meals that I cycle through–two each week. I do believe in the efficacy of a varied diet, and I'd like to encourage you to throw some more variety in each week. Even if you don't get quite the same nutrient load from whatever other meal you put on the calendar, you at least give your body the opportunity to get some nutrients you might not have realized were lacking in your current plan.
Quote from: kphoger on March 05, 2022, 09:04:08 AM
In my wife's case, she was basically raised by her grandparents (she came from a very broken home), and her grandmother cooked and baked. But she also didn't want anyone else in the kitchen when she was cooking. Some people have a "this is my kitchen" mentality while they're cooking, and I totally get it. An effect of that, however, is that my wife didn't actually learn how to cook. When I first met her, all she really knew how to make was pineapple upside-down cake. <snipped>
If the only thing your wife knew how to cook was Pineapple Upside-Down Cake, she was 15 steps ahead of my mother. Her mother kept everyone out of the kitchen, so my Mom didn't hardly know what a frying pan was. Dad always joked that she "burnt water the first time she tried", and it turned out to be a true story. Good thing she didn't know what to do with a frying pan, or I probably wouldn't be here.
One of my pandemic regrets is I didn't start to cook, which with me working at home would've been very convenient to do.
My mom was working evening shift after she went back to work after having us kids, so my dad started learning to cook. He did fine, although most things were fairly plain (but I didn't know anything else, so it was all good to me).
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:46:11 PM
Adding on to that list, I'd just ban food stamps from soda, energy drinks, and candy/other high sugar foods.
My wife and I just got back from our big biweekly grocery shopping trip.
At the checkout line in Sprouts, she grabbed an energy drink because she was feeling a little groggy. It
was not covered by EBT.
Then, at Dillon's (Kroger), one of the items we bought was a bottle of A&W root beer. It
was covered by EBT. How does that make you feel? If you think it shouldn't have been covered, then consider that we bought it because it's an ingredient in some barbecue pulled pork we're cooking later in the week and serving with tortillas and cole slaw. That is to say, we're using the root beer as a food item as part of a home-cooked family dinner.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on March 05, 2022, 11:03:09 AM
Dad always joked that she "burnt water the first time she tried", and it turned out to be a true story.
I came pretty close to that, myself. When I was in church youth group back in the 90s, I once put a saucepan on to hard-boil an egg in the church kitchen. (We were doing prep work for the Easter breakfast the next day, and I thought it would be humorous for one of the candy-filled plastic Easter eggs to be a real egg instead.) Then I forgot I'd put the saucepan on. We finished up, some kids went to play elsewhere in the building, and I went home next door. Eventually, smoke started billowing out of the church kitchen windows. The water had boiled away, and then there was just the egg on the bottom of the saucepan over the flame–which doesn't turn out well, apparently.
Quote from: kphoger on March 05, 2022, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:46:11 PM
Adding on to that list, I'd just ban food stamps from soda, energy drinks, and candy/other high sugar foods.
My wife and I just got back from our big biweekly grocery shopping trip.
At the checkout line in Sprouts, she grabbed an energy drink because she was feeling a little groggy. It was not covered by EBT.
Then, at Dillon's (Kroger), one of the items we bought was a bottle of A&W root beer. It was covered by EBT. How does that make you feel? If you think it shouldn't have been covered, then consider that we bought it because it's an ingredient in some barbecue pulled pork we're cooking later in the week and serving with tortillas and cole slaw. That is to say, we're using the root beer as a food item as part of a home-cooked family dinner.
99% of people who buy root beer are planning on drinking the root beer. You can't account for every little possible use.
I'm just saying... today, the system worked.
Kphoger doesn't need thspfc's approval for the purchase.
Ok folks, take Golden Corral for a good example, including Rothman
So, we have a GC in Smithfield (and yes we saw a taxi too, A NYC one!)
My family visited it today, bypassing I95 because of the bridgework due to a truck :pan: it!
We paid $12 each for the meal, and my father got it for free (his birthday is next saturday)
Upon arrival, the lady gave us our utensils and told us the breakdown.
I headed to the buffet, and they had mostly comfort food.
They didnt have chicken tenders, but had the BEST hamburgers ever.
I had some cottage cheese (LOVE IT), shredded cheese, hard boiled egg, and some rolls.
Those burgers are what I call steakburgers. They tasted like home! :love:
We had a family of four in back of us, and they apologized for their autistic daughter (yes i am autistic as well)
So, it was a good meal, but crowded.
Rothman, is the GC in Erie Blvd still open? The last time i visited in December 2021, they were closed.
Golden Corral killed the idea of chain buffets for me. I was brought to one once for lunch, it was incredibly underwhelming and bland.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2022, 02:51:23 PM
Golden Corral killed the idea of chain buffets for me. I was brought to one once for lunch, it was incredibly underwhelming and bland.
Well played, Taco Bell. :pan: :clap:
Imagine my relief that snowc wasn't posting about seeing someone paying to eat at GC with government assistance.
Even if my stomach wasn't reduced to the size of a banana, the only chain buffet I would ever eat at is Fogo de Chao, and honestly, I can count the number of non-chain buffets I would eat at on one hand. Gargantuan portions of mediocre food, no thanks.
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 05, 2022, 03:00:19 PM
Imagine my relief that snowc wasn't posting about seeing someone paying to eat at GC with government assistance.
Even if my stomach wasn't reduced to the size of a banana, the only chain buffet I would ever eat at is Fogo de Chao, and honestly, I can count the number of non-chain buffets I would eat at on one hand. Gargantuan portions of mediocre food, no thanks.
I did used to really enjoy the bag of 50 wings from Ponderosa Steakhouse. My Dad and I used to eat there all the time when I was in High School. The 50 count and 100 count bags of wings were really nice to have for sports parties back in the 1990s.
Quote from: kphoger on March 05, 2022, 12:57:52 PMAt the checkout line in Sprouts, she grabbed an energy drink because she was feeling a little groggy. It was not covered by EBT.
Question: what happens when not all of the goods that have been rung up are SNAP-eligible? Does one just swipe a credit or debit card to cover the non-eligible items?
Quote from: kphoger on March 05, 2022, 09:04:08 AMI used to have a less varied diet as well: the same thing for both breakfast and lunch every day, and only supper changing from day to day. But, when I started to eat healthier lunches a year ago or so, I also added some variety. I now have four lunch meals that I cycle through–two each week. I do believe in the efficacy of a varied diet, and I'd like to encourage you to throw some more variety in each week. Even if you don't get quite the same nutrient load from whatever other meal you put on the calendar, you at least give your body the opportunity to get some nutrients you might not have realized were lacking in your current plan.
My diet does incorporate some provision for variety. The key is that the fiber and vegetable diversity requirements still have to be met. Sometimes this happens when I substitute vegetable soup for bean soup (e.g., turnip soup gives me turnip, carrot, celery, and onion), or add different vegetables to salad (e.g. avocado instead of tomato: a regular summer salad gives me green leaf lettuce and spring onion at minimum).
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 05, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
One of my pandemic regrets is I didn't start to cook, which with me working at home would've been very convenient to do.
Yeah, I went through a bread-baking phase at the beginning of the stay-at-home period, and later cured and smoked bacon, but I didn't do much that was useful. Nearly all of the dishes we "cook" are either (a) pre-assembled fresh meals from Trader Joe's that just need to be heated up in the oven or (b) cooked in a slow cooker or Instant Pot. The only time I have an urge to make something more complicated than that is on the weekends or a day when I don't work.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2022, 03:03:11 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 05, 2022, 03:00:19 PM
Imagine my relief that snowc wasn't posting about seeing someone paying to eat at GC with government assistance.
Even if my stomach wasn't reduced to the size of a banana, the only chain buffet I would ever eat at is Fogo de Chao, and honestly, I can count the number of non-chain buffets I would eat at on one hand. Gargantuan portions of mediocre food, no thanks.
I did used to really enjoy the bag of 50 wings from Ponderosa Steakhouse. My Dad and I used to eat there all the time when I was in High School. The 50 count and 100 count bags of wings were really nice to have for sports parties back in the 1990s.
I do not envy the poor bastard who had to count out 100 wings one by one.
And I do have happy memories of Ponderosa, Sizzler, and Old Country Buffet, but.
Quote from: snowc on March 05, 2022, 02:41:29 PM
Ok folks, take Golden Corral for a good example, including Rothman
So, we have a GC in Smithfield (and yes we saw a taxi too, A NYC one!)
My family visited it today, bypassing I95 because of the bridgework due to a truck :pan: it!
We paid $12 each for the meal, and my father got it for free (his birthday is next saturday)
Upon arrival, the lady gave us our utensils and told us the breakdown.
I headed to the buffet, and they had mostly comfort food.
They didnt have chicken tenders, but had the BEST hamburgers ever.
I had some cottage cheese (LOVE IT), shredded cheese, hard boiled egg, and some rolls.
Those burgers are what I call steakburgers. They tasted like home! :love:
We had a family of four in back of us, and they apologized for their autistic daughter (yes i am autistic as well)
So, it was a good meal, but crowded.
Rothman, is the GC in Erie Blvd still open? The last time i visited in December 2021, they were closed.
I have no idea.
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 05, 2022, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 05, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
One of my pandemic regrets is I didn't start to cook, which with me working at home would've been very convenient to do.
Yeah, I went through a bread-baking phase at the beginning of the stay-at-home period...
I feel like a lot of people did, even in western SD. It was a pain trying to buy flour at Safeway or Lueders (the local grocery) and Walmart wasn't even worth going for.
We have something similar in my area called Western Sizzlin
THEY HAVE GOOD CHICKEN TENDERS AND STEAK! :-D :colorful:
Quote from: Rothman on March 05, 2022, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 05, 2022, 02:41:29 PM
Ok folks, take Golden Corral for a good example, including Rothman
So, we have a GC in Smithfield (and yes we saw a taxi too, A NYC one!)
My family visited it today, bypassing I95 because of the bridgework due to a truck :pan: it!
We paid $12 each for the meal, and my father got it for free (his birthday is next saturday)
Upon arrival, the lady gave us our utensils and told us the breakdown.
I headed to the buffet, and they had mostly comfort food.
They didnt have chicken tenders, but had the BEST hamburgers ever.
I had some cottage cheese (LOVE IT), shredded cheese, hard boiled egg, and some rolls.
Those burgers are what I call steakburgers. They tasted like home! :love:
We had a family of four in back of us, and they apologized for their autistic daughter (yes i am autistic as well)
So, it was a good meal, but crowded.
Rothman, is the GC in Erie Blvd still open? The last time i visited in December 2021, they were closed.
I have no idea.
Im a bonehead.
I just realized I visited there on a
WEDNESDAY! And they DO NOT open till 10:30am! :pan:
Quote from: SD Mapman on March 05, 2022, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 05, 2022, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 05, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
One of my pandemic regrets is I didn't start to cook, which with me working at home would've been very convenient to do.
Yeah, I went through a bread-baking phase at the beginning of the stay-at-home period...
I feel like a lot of people did, even in western SD. It was a pain trying to buy flour at Safeway or Lueders (the local grocery) and Walmart wasn't even worth going for.
Oh yeah, flour and yeast were really hard to find at the beginning of the pandemic.
I was around 170 lbs (I'm 5'9) when the pandemic began. I went up to like 185 lbs because online school and not doing anything sucks. For some reason even though I did go on daily bike rides, that didn't help.
When I started university, where I had control of my own food intake, I quickly stopped eating lunch and I dropped to 170 lbs again in a months. For some reason, didn't continue dropping after that. Probably because the body got used to the smaller caloric intake and adapted.
I'd still love to drop more but I'm quite sure how to continue haha
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2022, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 05, 2022, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:46:11 PM
Adding on to that list, I'd just ban food stamps from soda, energy drinks, and candy/other high sugar foods.
My wife and I just got back from our big biweekly grocery shopping trip.
At the checkout line in Sprouts, she grabbed an energy drink because she was feeling a little groggy. It was not covered by EBT.
Then, at Dillon's (Kroger), one of the items we bought was a bottle of A&W root beer. It was covered by EBT. How does that make you feel? If you think it shouldn't have been covered, then consider that we bought it because it's an ingredient in some barbecue pulled pork we're cooking later in the week and serving with tortillas and cole slaw. That is to say, we're using the root beer as a food item as part of a home-cooked family dinner.
99% of people who buy root beer are planning on drinking the root beer. You can't account for every little possible use.
This is what people have been trying to tel you. You're trying to make gray into black and white to fit your own beliefs. That's not how life works. Learn to live with it.
My problems with meal planning have always been:
1. I don't know what I want to eat until I'm hungry. I'm not going to want to make something I may or may not be in the mood to eat or it might just go to waste. This ends with me eating a lot of fast food and quick grocery trips for stuff I decide I do want.
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 05, 2022, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2022, 03:03:11 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 05, 2022, 03:00:19 PM
Imagine my relief that snowc wasn't posting about seeing someone paying to eat at GC with government assistance.
Even if my stomach wasn't reduced to the size of a banana, the only chain buffet I would ever eat at is Fogo de Chao, and honestly, I can count the number of non-chain buffets I would eat at on one hand. Gargantuan portions of mediocre food, no thanks.
I did used to really enjoy the bag of 50 wings from Ponderosa Steakhouse. My Dad and I used to eat there all the time when I was in High School. The 50 count and 100 count bags of wings were really nice to have for sports parties back in the 1990s.
I do not envy the poor bastard who had to count out 100 wings one by one.
And I do have happy memories of Ponderosa, Sizzler, and Old Country Buffet, but.
I usually found it was closer to 110 wings in the bag. I don't think a lot of care went into counting them out and it was more about stuffing a bag of a certain size.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 05, 2022, 04:55:59 PM
My problems with meal planning have always been:
1. I don't know what I want to eat until I'm hungry. I'm not going to want to make something I may or may not be in the mood to eat or it might just go to waste. This ends with me eating a lot of fast food and quick grocery trips for stuff I decide I do want.
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
I have the same problems. With leftovers it's the dual problem of both not really wanting to eat the same dish again for like a week, and the flavor and texture of leftovers usually being a pale shadow of the freshly-cooked version.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 05, 2022, 03:03:59 PM
Question: what happens when not all of the goods that have been rung up are SNAP-eligible? Does one just swipe a credit or debit card to cover the non-eligible items?
Yes. I didn't look to see if she paid for the energy drink with cash or a debit card, but it was one of those.
Home cooking is no problem with a family of five. Cooking for "just the two of you" is challenging but doable. Cooking while single is understandably frustrating.
Some foods make better leftovers than others. Pot roast, bean soup, etc. all reheat well, while broccoli pasta really doesn't.
One way to work around the problem of not knowing what you want to eat until you are hungry is to have a set of candidate dishes for each meal. This tends to be more convenient if the ingredients are dry or frozen, but it can be made to work with fresh food too.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 05, 2022, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2022, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 05, 2022, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:46:11 PM
Adding on to that list, I'd just ban food stamps from soda, energy drinks, and candy/other high sugar foods.
My wife and I just got back from our big biweekly grocery shopping trip.
At the checkout line in Sprouts, she grabbed an energy drink because she was feeling a little groggy. It was not covered by EBT.
Then, at Dillon's (Kroger), one of the items we bought was a bottle of A&W root beer. It was covered by EBT. How does that make you feel? If you think it shouldn't have been covered, then consider that we bought it because it's an ingredient in some barbecue pulled pork we're cooking later in the week and serving with tortillas and cole slaw. That is to say, we're using the root beer as a food item as part of a home-cooked family dinner.
99% of people who buy root beer are planning on drinking the root beer. You can't account for every little possible use.
This is what people have been trying to tel you. You're trying to make gray into black and white to fit your own beliefs. That's not how life works. Learn to live with it.
99% is essentially black. Or white.
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2022, 09:33:08 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 05, 2022, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2022, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 05, 2022, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2022, 08:46:11 PM
Adding on to that list, I'd just ban food stamps from soda, energy drinks, and candy/other high sugar foods.
My wife and I just got back from our big biweekly grocery shopping trip.
At the checkout line in Sprouts, she grabbed an energy drink because she was feeling a little groggy. It was not covered by EBT.
Then, at Dillon's (Kroger), one of the items we bought was a bottle of A&W root beer. It was covered by EBT. How does that make you feel? If you think it shouldn't have been covered, then consider that we bought it because it's an ingredient in some barbecue pulled pork we're cooking later in the week and serving with tortillas and cole slaw. That is to say, we're using the root beer as a food item as part of a home-cooked family dinner.
99% of people who buy root beer are planning on drinking the root beer. You can't account for every little possible use.
This is what people have been trying to tel you. You're trying to make gray into black and white to fit your own beliefs. That's not how life works. Learn to live with it.
99% is essentially black. Or white.
And yet you yourself said "you can't account for every possible use" .
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Adding on to that list, I'd just ban food stamps from soda, energy drinks, and candy/other high sugar foods.
My wife and I just got back from our big biweekly grocery shopping trip.
At the checkout line in Sprouts, she grabbed an energy drink because she was feeling a little groggy. It was not covered by EBT.
Then, at Dillon's (Kroger), one of the items we bought was a bottle of A&W root beer. It was covered by EBT. How does that make you feel? If you think it shouldn't have been covered, then consider that we bought it because it's an ingredient in some barbecue pulled pork we're cooking later in the week and serving with tortillas and cole slaw. That is to say, we're using the root beer as a food item as part of a home-cooked family dinner.
99% of people who buy root beer are planning on drinking the root beer. You can't account for every little possible use.
This is what people have been trying to tel you. You're trying to make gray into black and white to fit your own beliefs. That's not how life works. Learn to live with it.
99% is essentially black. Or white.
And yet you yourself said "you can't account for every possible use" .
How does that relate?
99% of people who buy root beer drink it. There are other uses for root beer; that doesn't matter because almost everyone who buys it drinks it.
"Your Honor, I intend to prove that, because there are legitimate culinary uses of root beer, the State of Wisconsin acted arbitrarily and capriciously in banning my client's product, A&W Root Beer, from the EBT system, and that due to lost sales stemming from that arbitrary and capricious decision, we are entitled to damages in the amount of..."
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"Your Honor, I intend to prove that, because there are legitimate culinary uses of root beer, the State of Wisconsin acted arbitrarily and capriciously in banning my client's product, A&W Root Beer, from the EBT system, and that due to lost sales stemming from that arbitrary and capricious decision, we are entitled to damages in the amount of..."
Are you a lawyer? Because I'm reluctant to consider the ideas of a non-lawyer speaking as if he's a lawyer.
You want me to list all of the items banned from food stamps that have "legitimate culinary uses" ?
You really think "legitimate culinary uses" are going to stop anything?
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"Your Honor, I intend to prove that, because there are legitimate culinary uses of root beer, the State of Wisconsin acted arbitrarily and capriciously in banning my client's product, A&W Root Beer, from the EBT system, and that due to lost sales stemming from that arbitrary and capricious decision, we are entitled to damages in the amount of..."
Are you a lawyer? Because I'm reluctant to consider the ideas of a non-lawyer speaking as if he's a lawyer.
You want me to list all of the items banned from food stamps that have "legitimate culinary uses" ?
You really think "legitimate culinary uses" are going to stop anything?
We're just people on an internet board. What makes your arguments any more or less legal-proof than Scott's? Other than your belief that your arguments are correct and beyond reproach.
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"Your Honor, I intend to prove that, because there are legitimate culinary uses of root beer, the State of Wisconsin acted arbitrarily and capriciously in banning my client's product, A&W Root Beer, from the EBT system, and that due to lost sales stemming from that arbitrary and capricious decision, we are entitled to damages in the amount of..."
Are you a lawyer? Because I'm reluctant to consider the ideas of a non-lawyer speaking as if he's a lawyer.
You want me to list all of the items banned from food stamps that have "legitimate culinary uses" ?
You really think "legitimate culinary uses" are going to stop anything?
Doesn't really matter whether it actually stops anything or not. The state would still have to spend a tremendous amount of money defending its right to block the products from the EBT system, even if the court eventually sides in favor of the state.
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My problems with meal planning have always been:
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
I have the same problems. With leftovers it's the dual problem of both not really wanting to eat the same dish again for like a week, and the flavor and texture of leftovers usually being a pale shadow of the freshly-cooked version.
Those fortunate enough to have always lived in prosperity can eat that way. Those that lived through true times of want, such as my grandfather did in the depression and during the Guadalcanal campaign, have an innate aversion to wasting food in any such manner. 20 year old frozen hamburger meat? Yep, still good.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 05, 2022, 10:34:32 PM
"Your Honor, I intend to prove that, because there are legitimate culinary uses of root beer, the State of Wisconsin acted arbitrarily and capriciously in banning my client's product, A&W Root Beer, from the EBT system, and that due to lost sales stemming from that arbitrary and capricious decision, we are entitled to damages in the amount of..."
The Wisconsin legislature tried to micromanage what could be bought on SNAP but it eventually didn't pass.
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My problems with meal planning have always been:
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
I have the same problems. With leftovers it's the dual problem of both not really wanting to eat the same dish again for like a week, and the flavor and texture of leftovers usually being a pale shadow of the freshly-cooked version.
Those fortunate enough to have always lived in prosperity can eat that way. Those that lived through true times of want, such as my grandfather did in the depression and during the Guadalcanal campaign, have an innate aversion to wasting food in any such manner. 20 year old frozen hamburger meat? Yep, still good.
There's no truer time of want than when you need to fill up the tank of your Carpenter school bus again.
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My problems with meal planning have always been:
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
I have the same problems. With leftovers it's the dual problem of both not really wanting to eat the same dish again for like a week, and the flavor and texture of leftovers usually being a pale shadow of the freshly-cooked version.
Those fortunate enough to have always lived in prosperity can eat that way. Those that lived through true times of want, such as my grandfather did in the depression and during the Guadalcanal campaign, have an innate aversion to wasting food in any such manner. 20 year old frozen hamburger meat? Yep, still good.
There's no truer time of want than when you need to fill up the tank of your Carpenter school bus again.
I've been thinking about his Ultimate Road Tripmobile. I think it's more likely to be a 1982 Oldsmobile with a suspension that creaks a little, but still has the floating feel to it...
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My problems with meal planning have always been:
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
I have the same problems. With leftovers it's the dual problem of both not really wanting to eat the same dish again for like a week, and the flavor and texture of leftovers usually being a pale shadow of the freshly-cooked version.
Those fortunate enough to have always lived in prosperity can eat that way. Those that lived through true times of want, such as my grandfather did in the depression and during the Guadalcanal campaign, have an innate aversion to wasting food in any such manner. 20 year old frozen hamburger meat? Yep, still good.
There's no truer time of want than when you need to fill up the tank of your Carpenter school bus again.
I've been thinking about his Ultimate Road Tripmobile. I think it's more likely to be a 1982 Oldsmobile with a suspension that creaks a little, but still has the floating feel to it...
Yeah, but that doesn't have the little stop sign you can deploy to show everyone that you really are someone special who is entitled to go first.
Also, how would you fit a toilet in an Oldsmobile?
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My problems with meal planning have always been:
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
I have the same problems. With leftovers it's the dual problem of both not really wanting to eat the same dish again for like a week, and the flavor and texture of leftovers usually being a pale shadow of the freshly-cooked version.
Those fortunate enough to have always lived in prosperity can eat that way. Those that lived through true times of want, such as my grandfather did in the depression and during the Guadalcanal campaign, have an innate aversion to wasting food in any such manner. 20 year old frozen hamburger meat? Yep, still good.
There's no truer time of want than when you need to fill up the tank of your Carpenter school bus again.
I've been thinking about his Ultimate Road Tripmobile. I think it's more likely to be a 1982 Oldsmobile with a suspension that creaks a little, but still has the floating feel to it...
Yeah, but that doesn't have the little stop sign you can deploy to show everyone that you really are someone special who is entitled to go first.
Also, how would you fit a toilet in an Oldsmobile?
Easy. Remove the front seats and replace them with toilets. One for Dad, one for Mom. Do the same with the back seat - then Junior and Sis are taken care of. No more stopping just because somebody has to go.
You just have to watch out for speed bumps.
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My problems with meal planning have always been:
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
I have the same problems. With leftovers it's the dual problem of both not really wanting to eat the same dish again for like a week, and the flavor and texture of leftovers usually being a pale shadow of the freshly-cooked version.
Those fortunate enough to have always lived in prosperity can eat that way. Those that lived through true times of want, such as my grandfather did in the depression and during the Guadalcanal campaign, have an innate aversion to wasting food in any such manner. 20 year old frozen hamburger meat? Yep, still good.
There's no truer time of want than when you need to fill up the tank of your Carpenter school bus again.
I've been thinking about his Ultimate Road Tripmobile. I think it's more likely to be a 1982 Oldsmobile with a suspension that creaks a little, but still has the floating feel to it...
Yeah, but that doesn't have the little stop sign you can deploy to show everyone that you really are someone special who is entitled to go first.
Also, how would you fit a toilet in an Oldsmobile?
Easy. Remove the front seats and replace them with toilets. One for Dad, one for Mom. Do the same with the back seat - then Junior and Sis are taken care of. No more stopping just because somebody has to go.
You just have to watch out for speed bumps.
Clearly I don't have a toilet in the road trip car, If I did I would not consider the disappearance of rest areas to be a problem.
I've carried a roll of toilet paper and a bar of soap in my car for close to two decades. I've found there is a rare instances where finding a public restroom isn't an feasible.
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"Your Honor, I intend to prove that, because there are legitimate culinary uses of root beer, the State of Wisconsin acted arbitrarily and capriciously in banning my client's product, A&W Root Beer, from the EBT system, and that due to lost sales stemming from that arbitrary and capricious decision, we are entitled to damages in the amount of..."
"Your Honor, Abe Froman for the defense. 99% of root beer sales are to people who will drink the root beer.
99%."
[jury gasps, judge bangs their gavel and yells "ORDER! ORDER!"
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 05, 2022, 05:39:42 PM
Some foods make better leftovers than others. Pot roast, bean soup, etc. all reheat well, while broccoli pasta really doesn't.
This is very simple, actually. Don't combine the pasta with the sauce. When it's time for leftovers, pop the sauce in the microwave, and blanch the already-cooked pasta in some boiling water for like sixty seconds. Done. If the sauce is too thick now, just thin it out with some milk.
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I've carried a roll of toilet paper and a bar of soap in my car for close to two decades. I've found there is a rare instances where finding a public restroom isn't an feasible.
Mexico taught me to carry a roll of toilet paper. Even when bathrooms are plentiful, that doesn't necessarily mean your stall has a roll of TP in it.
^^^
The strange thing is that I often find it easier to locate public restrooms in Mexico. The big thing down there is usually you have to pay to use them. Unless it's Target or Walmart good luck finding a public restroom in places like Los Angeles.
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My problems with meal planning have always been:
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
I have the same problems. With leftovers it's the dual problem of both not really wanting to eat the same dish again for like a week, and the flavor and texture of leftovers usually being a pale shadow of the freshly-cooked version.
Those fortunate enough to have always lived in prosperity can eat that way. Those that lived through true times of want, such as my grandfather did in the depression and during the Guadalcanal campaign, have an innate aversion to wasting food in any such manner. 20 year old frozen hamburger meat? Yep, still good.
There's no truer time of want than when you need to fill up the tank of your Carpenter school bus again.
I've been thinking about his Ultimate Road Tripmobile. I think it's more likely to be a 1982 Oldsmobile with a suspension that creaks a little, but still has the floating feel to it...
I'd always figured it was a Ford Crown Victoria wagon from the 80s. Enthusiasts of those cars often tend to be a bit...mental.
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My problems with meal planning have always been:
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
I have the same problems. With leftovers it's the dual problem of both not really wanting to eat the same dish again for like a week, and the flavor and texture of leftovers usually being a pale shadow of the freshly-cooked version.
Those fortunate enough to have always lived in prosperity can eat that way. Those that lived through true times of want, such as my grandfather did in the depression and during the Guadalcanal campaign, have an innate aversion to wasting food in any such manner.
This is one of rare times I agree; my grandparents and parents grew up saving and scraping every dime, and leftovers were a sign of having an extra meal where there might not have been another meal readily at hand. Things weren't always financially perfect in our household, though they were far ahead of our grandparents' times as youngsters.
I have few qualms with leftovers; especially since I eat on the road so much. It's still home-cooking. After 48 hours or so, it does need some extra seasoning, but there's no lack of that in our home. If it doesn't smell rotten, 99% of the time I've had no problem eating it. That, and my family still cooks for 8-10 even if there's never been that many people in my direct families...
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My problems with meal planning have always been:
2. I struggle with eating leftovers. It's unlikely I will want to eat what I made again soon. That results in waste.
I have the same problems. With leftovers it's the dual problem of both not really wanting to eat the same dish again for like a week, and the flavor and texture of leftovers usually being a pale shadow of the freshly-cooked version.
Those fortunate enough to have always lived in prosperity can eat that way. Those that lived through true times of want, such as my grandfather did in the depression and during the Guadalcanal campaign, have an innate aversion to wasting food in any such manner. 20 year old frozen hamburger meat? Yep, still good.
There's no truer time of want than when you need to fill up the tank of your Carpenter school bus again.
I've been thinking about his Ultimate Road Tripmobile. I think it's more likely to be a 1982 Oldsmobile with a suspension that creaks a little, but still has the floating feel to it...
I'd always figured it was a Ford Crown Victoria wagon from the 80s. Enthusiasts of those cars often tend to be a bit...mental.
Those were decent cars and at least in the correct direction of design philosophy for an optimized road trip car, but the station wagon body style is really only desirable for a road trip when you need that space, such as a large family trip, etc. I would love to see someone start building full size station wagons again though.
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Quote from: J N Winkler on March 05, 2022, 05:39:42 PM
Some foods make better leftovers than others. Pot roast, bean soup, etc. all reheat well, while broccoli pasta really doesn't.
This is very simple, actually. Don't combine the pasta with the sauce. When it's time for leftovers, pop the sauce in the microwave, and blanch the already-cooked pasta in some boiling water for like sixty seconds. Done. If the sauce is too thick now, just thin it out with some milk.
Yep. Or cook only the pasta you will need for that night at a time. Reheating the sauce works fine, but pasta is much better not reheated and doesn't take long.
Quote from: kkt on March 09, 2022, 01:58:11 PMQuote from: kphoger on March 07, 2022, 09:58:18 AMQuote from: J N Winkler on March 05, 2022, 05:39:42 PMSome foods make better leftovers than others. Pot roast, bean soup, etc. all reheat well, while broccoli pasta really doesn't.
This is very simple, actually. Don't combine the pasta with the sauce. When it's time for leftovers, pop the sauce in the microwave, and blanch the already-cooked pasta in some boiling water for like sixty seconds. Done. If the sauce is too thick now, just thin it out with some milk.
Yep. Or cook only the pasta you will need for that night at a time. Reheating the sauce works fine, but pasta is much better not reheated and doesn't take long.
I tend to find that pasta dishes that are high in fat and salt--e.g., restaurant leftovers--reheat well in the microwave without separation of sauce and pasta. The sauce part of the broccoli pasta is quite lean (only a modest amount of olive oil, and no salt since I use potassium chloride instead), so it's bland when reheated. I usually make just enough to eat fresh.
Ah yes, I forgot the broccoli part of your meal doesn't really have a "sauce" other than what olive oil and feta cheese sort-of-make.
I have always struggled with my weight. I was at 290 for the longest time and dropped to 240 over last summer from diet (and a little bit of starving myself here and there... please don't do that) and hiking. Then I developed schizoaffective (not fun, it sucks) in August had to start antipsychotics, which really pile on weight. Combine that with bad eating as a result of poor mood and I'm back up to 275. It really isn't fun losing your breath going up stairs and stuff.
These days I'm not exercising at all and I'm eating okay. Not good or bad.
Intermittent fasting can be an effective manner of weight loss.
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After 20 years of staying at 135 lb., I have ballooned in the past year to 155 lb. It may be age (36) but I suspect my metabolism has finally decided to start slowing down. I never expected it to be this difficult to keep my weight down but it's nearly impossible for me to get it under 150 lb., even with moderate exercise during the winter.
I don't pay close attention to the forum much so I miss fun as it happens, but there are a couple items here I do feel its worth commenting on.
First, re: the concept of food sensitivity - while not everyone on the spectrum experiences this, it is a very real autism trait, and it does very much constrain how people who do experience it eat. If you think it's crazy that someone would make it to age 20 and have never eaten an apple... well, I'm 34 and I've also never eaten an apple. "But how do you know you don't like it if you've never tried it?", you say? Well, see, when you have food sensitivity you have to worry about all five primary senses, it isn't just taste. In my case, the sound of someone biting into an apple is like nails on a chalkboard and I wince and start to want to gag a little just hearing it. Given that... well of course I am not going to willingly make that sound myself, now am I? It doesn't even matter what an apple tastes like, I can't stand what they sound like.
I've been compensating for my restricted diet in part by taking a daily multivitamin for most of my life - this is one simple thing I would certainly suggest anyone in a situation like this do, to avoid suffering consequences of any vitamin/mineral deficiencies.
Re: food stamps and such, there seems to be this weird pervasive myth that restricting what people can buy with them will save taxpayer money and I just don't see how that works out. Even neglecting the overhead cost of enforcing increasingly micromanaged rules (which is real), you have to expect that people on the SNAP program are going to spend their monthly allotment regardless. Okay, fine, they can't buy soda maybe they buy juice or seltzer instead. They can't buy steaks, maybe they buy pork chops. What exactly are restrictions like this expected to accomplish? Are they actually doing anything productive, or are they simply making program recipient's lives difficult for the sake of giving the people pushing them some sense of moral superiority?
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Are they actually doing anything productive, or are they simply making program recipient's lives difficult for the sake of giving the people pushing them some sense of moral superiority?
That's 100% what it is. The prevailing attitude is, "you aren't good enough to not need food stamps so you don't deserve even a few indulgences."
So an update on my original post:
So far the surgery has done exactly what it has intended. I'm down 26 pounds in 32 days since the surgery, and 50 pounds overall including the pre-op diet.
My surgeon has implemented a very strict dietary routine. The first three weeks were liquid only, so essentially protein shakes and water. Now I'm in the pureed foods phase, so I'm able to add in scrambled eggs and applesauce along with my protein shakes. I have 10 more days until I reach the soft foods phase, where I get to add in thin sliced deli meat, low fat cheese, and peanut butter.
One thing I've acutely noticed during my time of not being able to eat anything is just how many restaurant commercials there are. There's at least one every commercial block and sometimes more. For those of you with average or better discipline and will power, it may be no big deal for you, but with burgers and fried food being such weaknesses for me I now see why it was so hard to avoid that stuff as it was plastered all over my TV multiple times per hour.
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So an update on my original post:
So far the surgery has done exactly what it has intended. I'm down 26 pounds in 32 days since the surgery, and 50 pounds overall including the pre-op diet.
My surgeon has implemented a very strict dietary routine. The first three weeks were liquid only, so essentially protein shakes and water. Now I'm in the pureed foods phase, so I'm able to add in scrambled eggs and applesauce along with my protein shakes. I have 10 more days until I reach the soft foods phase, where I get to add in thin sliced deli meat, low fat cheese, and peanut butter.
One thing I've acutely noticed during my time of not being able to eat anything is just how many restaurant commercials there are. There's at least one every commercial block and sometimes more. For those of you with average or better discipline and will power, it may be no big deal for you, but with burgers and fried food being such weaknesses for me I now see why it was so hard to avoid that stuff as it was plastered all over my TV multiple times per hour.
Glad it's working so far!
I don't watch TV...
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 12, 2022, 06:16:13 PM
So an update on my original post:
So far the surgery has done exactly what it has intended. I'm down 26 pounds in 32 days since the surgery, and 50 pounds overall including the pre-op diet.
My surgeon has implemented a very strict dietary routine. The first three weeks were liquid only, so essentially protein shakes and water. Now I'm in the pureed foods phase, so I'm able to add in scrambled eggs and applesauce along with my protein shakes. I have 10 more days until I reach the soft foods phase, where I get to add in thin sliced deli meat, low fat cheese, and peanut butter.
One thing I've acutely noticed during my time of not being able to eat anything is just how many restaurant commercials there are. There's at least one every commercial block and sometimes more. For those of you with average or better discipline and will power, it may be no big deal for you, but with burgers and fried food being such weaknesses for me I now see why it was so hard to avoid that stuff as it was plastered all over my TV multiple times per hour.
Great news!
Food advertising plays very strongly on our desires to "reward" ourselves with food.
Count me in the camp of not really being enticed by food ads. I can't think of a specific instance where I saw a TV advertisement for food and decided to buy something because of it. I always feel like I try things because I randomly decide I want to go to a restaurant or someone recommends something.
Quote from: Duke87 on March 12, 2022, 05:57:44 PM
First, re: the concept of food sensitivity - while not everyone on the spectrum experiences this, it is a very real autism trait, and it does very much constrain how people who do experience it eat. If you think it's crazy that someone would make it to age 20 and have never eaten an apple... well, I'm 34 and I've also never eaten an apple. "But how do you know you don't like it if you've never tried it?", you say? Well, see, when you have food sensitivity you have to worry about all five primary senses, it isn't just taste. In my case, the sound of someone biting into an apple is like nails on a chalkboard and I wince and start to want to gag a little just hearing it. Given that... well of course I am not going to willingly make that sound myself, now am I? It doesn't even matter what an apple tastes like, I can't stand what they sound like.
To be clear, since I was the one that expressed surprise at someone age 20+ having never eaten an apple...
I'm not surprised in the least by someone not having eaten an apple from say, age 10 to age 34 or whatever, after you already know you don't like them. Why would you? I wouldn't generally eat something I don't like either (when I was younger, that food was onions - now, I'm not too picky - beets are probably the closest to something I can't stand, and even then, I've had them a few times).
What I
am surprised by is someone not having eaten an apple in the
first ten years of their life - that your parents or grandparents or whoever else didn't at some point encourage/force you to try the most basic of all basic fruits and that you didn't at any point try even one bite. And for vegetables, same with carrots. I mean, how could you possibly have
never tried either of those things? That basically means you had a completely fruit- and vegetable-free childhood, which is bordering on child abuse. I mean, I know everyone's situation is different and not everyone's parents are as strict about eating fruits and veggies, but I'd still bet you probably tried an apple sometime between age 2 and 10, even if you don't remember it.
Conversely I could see a 2-10 year putting up significant resistance to eating numerous specific items. I recall when I was 8 years old my Mom offering me $10 dollars if I could finish an entire sliced apple. Basically I tried part of one slice, decided it was horrible and threw a giant fit. I see similar behavior out of my 7 year old niece when she's presented with a food item that she doesn't think she'll like. There have been numerous instances where she has taken it as far as not eating and being grounded.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2022, 11:22:49 AM
Count me in the camp of not really being enticed by food ads. I can't think of a specific instance where I saw a TV advertisement for food and decided to buy something because of it. I always feel like I try things because I randomly decide I want to go to a restaurant or someone recommends something.
I don't think it causes an immediate response, but when I'm out somewhere and on my way home, I remember how juicy that burger looked on the Wendy's commercial and decide to hit their drive-thru rather than go home and eat something healthier.
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 13, 2022, 12:18:54 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2022, 11:22:49 AM
Count me in the camp of not really being enticed by food ads. I can't think of a specific instance where I saw a TV advertisement for food and decided to buy something because of it. I always feel like I try things because I randomly decide I want to go to a restaurant or someone recommends something.
I don't think it causes an immediate response, but when I'm out somewhere and on my way home, I remember how juicy that burger looked on the Wendy's commercial and decide to hit their drive-thru rather than go home and eat something healthier.
I don't even recall the ads all that often, much less the food that is being marketed. The only Wendy's ads I can vaguely recall are some old woman angry about a lack of beef and Dave Thomas being Dave Thomas. With Burger King the only ad I can think off the top of my head is the dude waking up and the King is looming over him in bed. I remember the McDonald's Land characters but rarely the food or toy they were trying to sell.
I distinctly remember once when I was younger seeing a Carls Jr. commercial with some dude taking a huge bite out of a juicy burger... only I had some sort of stomach bug at the time, so all it did was nauseate me even more.
Quote from: US 89 on March 13, 2022, 01:17:57 PM
I distinctly remember once when I was younger seeing a Carls Jr. commercial with some dude taking a huge bite out of a juicy burger... only I had some sort of stomach bug at the time, so all it did was nauseate me even more.
Wasn't there one with Paris Hilton doing the same thing?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2022, 11:22:49 AM
Count me in the camp of not really being enticed by food ads. I can't think of a specific instance where I saw a TV advertisement for food and decided to buy something because of it. I always feel like I try things because I randomly decide I want to go to a restaurant or someone recommends something.
Psst...the fact that you are unaware is how they work...
Quote from: Rothman on March 13, 2022, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2022, 11:22:49 AM
Count me in the camp of not really being enticed by food ads. I can't think of a specific instance where I saw a TV advertisement for food and decided to buy something because of it. I always feel like I try things because I randomly decide I want to go to a restaurant or someone recommends something.
Psst...the fact that you are unaware is how they work...
Right, which I would refer to my comments above. If I can't recall the food being advertised on a conscious level are the commercials actually effective? An example I used was that I can remember the Burger King possibly having an intimate night out but I can't recall what food he had in bed.
As an aside, I haven't thought to grab food from Burger King post coitus either which makes me what they hell they were trying to advertise.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2022, 01:40:08 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 13, 2022, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2022, 11:22:49 AM
Count me in the camp of not really being enticed by food ads. I can't think of a specific instance where I saw a TV advertisement for food and decided to buy something because of it. I always feel like I try things because I randomly decide I want to go to a restaurant or someone recommends something.
Psst...the fact that you are unaware is how they work...
Right, which I would refer to my comments above. If I can't recall the food being advertised on a conscious level are the commercials actually effective? An example I used was that I can remember the Burger King possibly having an intimate night out but I can't recall what food he had in bed.
Subliminal Advertising. You may not rush out and get it right away, but seeing it repeatedly allows you brain to absorb the product or store overtime. When you're hungry, it sways your thought process to that particular store.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 13, 2022, 01:53:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2022, 01:40:08 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 13, 2022, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2022, 11:22:49 AM
Count me in the camp of not really being enticed by food ads. I can't think of a specific instance where I saw a TV advertisement for food and decided to buy something because of it. I always feel like I try things because I randomly decide I want to go to a restaurant or someone recommends something.
Psst...the fact that you are unaware is how they work...
Right, which I would refer to my comments above. If I can't recall the food being advertised on a conscious level are the commercials actually effective? An example I used was that I can remember the Burger King possibly having an intimate night out but I can't recall what food he had in bed.
Subliminal Advertising. You may not rush out and get it right away, but seeing it repeatedly allows you brain to absorb the product or store overtime. When you're hungry, it sways your thought process to that particular store.
I wonder what my wife would think if I woke her up one morning in bed with a bag of Burger King food? I would just say that I was subject to subliminal advertising and the King finally got to me after close to two decades.
I find most restaurant ads to be disgusting by the way they do extreme closeups of their food.
Quote from: Big John on March 13, 2022, 02:19:44 PM
I find most restaurant ads to be disgusting by the way they do extreme closeups of their food.
Agree with this. Why do they have to do a closeup of a sandwich from Subway?!
Also, SubWay is very disgusting, as they have changed their menu SIGNIFICANTLY.
Go use Jersey Mikes. Or FireHouse. We have one in Dunn. :colorful:
Quote from: Big John on March 13, 2022, 02:19:44 PM
I find most restaurant ads to be disgusting by the way they do extreme closeups of their food.
Food porn.
What a lot of people don't realize is what they're looking at in ads is often made up of non-food components to bolster appearance. for example, shaving cream often stands in for mayo or whipped cream because it doesn't melt or run. Yum yum, right?
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 13, 2022, 05:43:42 PM
What a lot of people don't realize is what they're looking at in ads is often made up of non-food components to bolster appearance. for example, shaving cream often stands in for mayo or whipped cream because it doesn't melt or run. Yum yum, right?
Whip cream you say?
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Quote from: Big John on March 13, 2022, 02:19:44 PM
I find most restaurant ads to be disgusting by the way they do extreme closeups of their food.
Food porn.
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This makes me want to eat all of this:
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Want to go to Applebee's now?
Quote from: Big John on March 13, 2022, 02:19:44 PM
I find most restaurant ads to be disgusting by the way they do extreme closeups of their food.
I love extreme closeups of food, makes it seem more appealing. I know its not realistic for most places, but still makes me want to eat out.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 13, 2022, 05:43:42 PM
What a lot of people don't realize is what they're looking at in ads is often made up of non-food components to bolster appearance. for example, shaving cream often stands in for mayo or whipped cream because it doesn't melt or run. Yum yum, right?
Back in college, a roommate who worked at a restaurant brought the "dessert tray" home. That tray of different slices of cake to choose from? Plastic imitations. 18 inches away, and you can't tell the difference.
Quote from: snowc on March 13, 2022, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 13, 2022, 02:19:44 PM
I find most restaurant ads to be disgusting by the way they do extreme closeups of their food.
Agree with this. Why do they have to do a closeup of a sandwich from Subway?!
If they did a close up of a set of Kobalt socket wrenches they probably wouldn't sell many sandwiches, now would they?
Quote from: seicer on March 13, 2022, 08:30:36 PM
This makes me want to eat all of this:
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Want to go to Applebee's now?
ewww.
🤢🤢🤢🤢->🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
:ded:
Quote from: snowc on March 14, 2022, 09:15:11 AM
ewww.
🤢🤢🤢🤢->🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
:ded:
This may surprise you, but nobody wants to know about your specific alimentary and digestive issues. Tell your folks and your doctor. When talking to the rest of us on this forum: You're an adult now, so act like one. You're really fond of telling us about every little bit of food that upsets you, but this isn't a place for diagnosing those problems and having a childish gross-out contest in every thread.
Quote from: formulanone on March 14, 2022, 09:32:03 AM
Quote from: snowc on March 14, 2022, 09:15:11 AM
ewww.
🤢🤢🤢🤢->🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
:ded:
This may surprise you, but nobody wants to know about your specific alimentary and digestive issues. Tell your folks and your doctor. When talking to the rest of us on this forum: You're an adult now, so act like one. You're really fond of telling us about every little bit of food that upsets you, but this isn't a place for diagnosing those problems and having a childish gross-out contest in every thread.
Plus adding " :colorful:" in almost every post is incredibly annoying.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 14, 2022, 10:26:51 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 14, 2022, 09:32:03 AM
Quote from: snowc on March 14, 2022, 09:15:11 AM
ewww.
🤢🤢🤢🤢->🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
:ded:
This may surprise you, but nobody wants to know about your specific alimentary and digestive issues. Tell your folks and your doctor. When talking to the rest of us on this forum: You're an adult now, so act like one. You're really fond of telling us about every little bit of food that upsets you, but this isn't a place for diagnosing those problems and having a childish gross-out contest in every thread.
Plus adding " :colorful:" in almost every post is incredibly annoying.
Sorry @formulanone and @Max Rockatansky, my internal clock is still on EST, NOT EDT!
I take some medication for my silliness and i get what my mother calls it "squirrelizing" (NO, I am not a squirrel, nor am i Sandy Cheeks!)
After about 20 minutes, I settle down and back to my productive self.
Also, Wake Tech is on spring break, so I am more sillier than usual. :pan:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 14, 2022, 10:26:51 AM
Plus adding " :colorful:" in almost every post is incredibly annoying.
Quote from: snowc on March 14, 2022, 03:36:29 PM
Sorry
:pan:
Well, at least you changed up the emoji that time...
Quote from: kphoger on March 14, 2022, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 14, 2022, 10:26:51 AM
Plus adding " :colorful:" in almost every post is incredibly annoying.
Quote from: snowc on March 14, 2022, 03:36:29 PM
Sorry
:pan:
Well, at least you changed up the emoji that time...
Thanks for the :colorful: appreciation, @kphoger
I'm getting Fraggle Rock flashbacks with this talk of this "silly" talk.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 14, 2022, 03:55:49 PM
I'm getting Fraggle Rock flashbacks with this talk of this "silly" talk.
And now for something completely different, maybe this board needs a Ministry of Silly Posts.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 14, 2022, 04:38:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 14, 2022, 03:55:49 PM
I'm getting Fraggle Rock flashbacks with this talk of this "silly" talk.
And now for something completely different, maybe this board needs a Ministry of Silly Posts.
Done.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 14, 2022, 03:55:49 PM
I'm getting Fraggle Rock flashbacks with this talk of this "silly" talk.
Doozers were fond of their infrastructure, only to have Fraggles come and eat it. If they'd only linked up a treaty with the Gorgs, maybe they could have peace. Or just become perpetual castle-building slaves to those behemoths (until the great Trash Heap saved them).
Moral of the story: don't eat infrastructure
Quote from: snowc on March 14, 2022, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 14, 2022, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 14, 2022, 03:36:29 PM
Sorry
:pan:
Well, at least you changed up the emoji that time...
Thanks for the :colorful: appreciation, @kphoger
Actually, it wasn't :colorful: appreciation, it was :pan: appreciation.
Not sure if anyone is interested in an update, but here it is: Seven weeks out from surgery, I'm down a little over 60 pounds. I've been able to supplement my protein shakes with eggs, thin sliced deli turkey and low fat cheese. Basically soft foods that are high in protein, low in fat, and devoid of carbs. There are other things I'm allowed to have but don't really care for.
One thing I've noticed is that in response to cutting my calorie intake down to < 800 per day, my body has responded by burning much less energy heating my body. I'm constantly cold. I wear a long sleeve shirt and heavy sweatpants inside. I crank the thermostat up to 74 when nobody else is home.
Looking forward to a week from today, when I will be able to add: lean ground beef, chicken or turkey breast with no skin, low sugar cereal, peanut butter, whole grain bagel thins, low carb tortillas, and peanut butter.
Strict no-nos until 6 months are alcohol, beef/pork that isn't ground, nuts and popcorn.
Anything high in carbs needs to be extremely rare or my stomach won't have enough room to get the required amount of protein. I was always a very regular consumer of fried foods, especially potatoes, so it's going to be hard to limit that but I have to do it.
Something I'd never done before is drink anywhere near 64 oz. of water per day. I'm averaging about 50-60 oz per day, and it really does limit hunger.
Interesting - I think I was on an "unrestricted" diet by six weeks post-surgery, but it was a long time before I could eat almost anything, and there are still a number of food items that I can't eat.
You've done a great job so far, and yes, I've basically had to adjust how warmly I dress by about ten degrees F (if I did need a light jacket when it was 50, then now I need one when it's 60, and so on).
I hope the recovery keeps going well!
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 06, 2022, 03:55:42 PM
Interesting - I think I was on an "unrestricted" diet by six weeks post-surgery, but it was a long time before I could eat almost anything, and there are still a number of food items that I can't eat.
You've done a great job so far, and yes, I've basically had to adjust how warmly I dress by about ten degrees F (if I did need a light jacket when it was 50, then now I need one when it's 60, and so on).
I probably could eat more things, but my surgeon is pretty insistent about sticking to the scripted plan. I don't mind--it's working for me.
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 06, 2022, 02:12:14 PM
I've been able to supplement my protein shakes with eggs, thin sliced deli turkey and low fat cheese.
That's got to be a bright spot in your diet, huh? Can you combine those three things together into one bite?
Quote from: kphoger on April 06, 2022, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 06, 2022, 02:12:14 PM
I've been able to supplement my protein shakes with eggs, thin sliced deli turkey and low fat cheese.
That's got to be a bright spot in your diet, huh? Can you combine those three things together into one bite?
Well, yeah, I have a turkey and cheese omlette every morning.
I'm 6 feet tall and around 188ish pounds is that too heavy?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 06, 2022, 04:48:24 PM
I'm 6 feet tall and around 188ish pounds is that too heavy?
Your doctor would have the expert opinion but in my non-expert opinion most certainly not.
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 06, 2022, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 06, 2022, 04:48:24 PM
I'm 6 feet tall and around 188ish pounds is that too heavy?
Your doctor would have the expert opinion but in my non-expert opinion most certainly not.
I'm just over 6 feet tall and just under 120 pounds, and I once had a trainer at the YMCA refuse to believe that I wasn't on drugs. Also, my BMI came back with an error code. So I suspect 188 pound may be more in the "normal" range...
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 06, 2022, 04:48:24 PMI'm 6 feet tall and around 188ish pounds is that too heavy?
Quote from: kphoger on April 06, 2022, 05:01:27 PMI'm just over 6 feet tall and just under 120 pounds, and I once had a trainer at the YMCA refuse to believe that I wasn't on drugs. Also, my BMI came back with an error code. So I suspect 188 pound may be more in the "normal" range...
BMI Calculator (https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm)
188 lb, 6' 0" = BMI of 25.5
120 lb, 6' 0" = BMI of 16.3
In my own case:
149 lb, 5' 11" = BMI of 20.8
The general rule of thumb is that normal weight corresponds to BMI between 20 and 25. But BMI is useful mainly for assessing the prevalence of obesity within large populations, where individual variations cancel out. Depending on how much muscle mass one has, one can have a BMI above 25 with a normal body shape and a low body fat percentage. In any event, BMI has nothing to say about health conditions not related to metabolism--for example, a share of people with normal or underweight BMI have lost weight due to incurable Stage IV metastatic cancer. Weight loss also commonly forms part of the final progression to death.
In economic history, quantifiable parameters such as calorie intake, masses of fats consumed as food, and BMI are commonly used as a way to tell stories about famine due to supply chain breakdowns (Bengal famine of 1943), food scarcity due to naval blockades (British blockade of German ports during World War I, which contributed to the Turnip Winter of 1916-1917) or confiscation of food supplies (the
Hongerwinter in the Netherlands during 1944-45), or intentional combination of overwork with starvation (the Nazi policy of
Vernichtung durch Arbeit in the concentration camps). But these are all instances of analysis conducted at the population level, not guides to diet in any individual case.
In regard to cold tolerance, my weight has dropped about six pounds since I'm no longer lifting weights at the gym (due to covid) and I'm now more likely to wear a jacket and to wind a scarf around my neck as a draft excluder.
The BMI result I got based off what RGT cited was 25.49. If you believe BMI as gospel that's slightly overweight. For what it's worth I'm the same height and weigh about the same amount. I don't think anyone based off how much a exercise or distance run would call me overweight (my wife told me the other day I've lost too much weight and look emaciated). So take that calculation with a grain of salt, it really doesn't mean much at that level.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 14, 2022, 01:50:54 AM
Quote from: snowc on March 13, 2022, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 13, 2022, 02:19:44 PM
I find most restaurant ads to be disgusting by the way they do extreme closeups of their food.
Agree with this. Why do they have to do a closeup of a sandwich from Subway?!
If they did a close up of a set of Kobalt socket wrenches they probably wouldn't sell many sandwiches, now would they?
:-D :spin:
So an update if anybody is interested: now down 72 pounds since my high point 2 weeks before my surgery.
Some observations from my experience and my doctors:
1) drinking 64+ ounces of water per day helps you feel full and less hungry. Before my surgery, I doubt I hit 64 ounces of fluids more than 10% of the time.
2) drinking that water at different times than eating helps even more. It was a hard adjustment to not drinking with food, but I've gotten used to it. My routine is that I force myself to drink 16 ounces of water and then wait at least 30 minutes before eating, and then repeat the cycle 3 more times per day.
3) artificial sweeteners stimulate appetite. I got tired of drinking plain water so I started using Mio drink mixes. Zero calories but I noticed a much bitter appetite once I started using those. The artificial sweeteners trick your body into thinking it's getting sugar and then when you don't, you body demands calories. I've switched to Splenda-based drink mixes and it has helped.
4) getting 80+ grams of protein per day is critical, but my doctor advised me against having meals that are entirely carb free. Something about your body trying to convert protein to carbs if you don't have any carbs. So instead of filling up on lean meats and low-fat cheeses, I have half a banana or some mashed potatoes first (foods that are filling without a large carb count) and then eat the meat and cheese until I'm full.