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Thriving Malls

Started by Roadgeekteen, June 06, 2021, 12:55:38 AM

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The opposite of the dead malls thread.
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SkyPesos

Pretty much most malls with some "luxury"  department or brand store like Saks, Apple or Tiffanys, actual restaurants besides a food court, or provide some attraction outside of shopping, like Easton in Columbus have a Lego Discovery Center, and we all know about the theme park in the Mall of America.

roadman65

The Mall at Short Hills in Millburn, NJ.
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Bruce

Outlet malls and lifestyle centers seem to be doing the best in the Northwest, along with a few traditional malls that have diversified their offerings a bit. A few with notes:

University Village - constantly under redevelopment but now has a healthy amount of housing surrounding it and a small walkable footprint out of what was once a bunch of parking lots

Bellevue Square - anchors the west side of Downtown Bellevue, which is still growing and is set to see some Amazon action soon

Seattle Premium Outlets - always busy thanks to the casino traffic, but has managed to do well despite losing almost all of its most lucrative market (Canadians)

Alderwood - finally adding some housing and hotel rooms on the mall property itself

One to watch in the near future is Northgate, which has been mostly demolished and will reopen with light rail at its front door.

jakeroot

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Southcenter Mall, Tukwila: the largest shopping center in the Pacific Northwest lives up to its name and is far from quiet. Food court is finally busy again and the multiple corridors have plenty of activity. AMC Cinema on the upper floor is open again too.

Tacoma Mall: not exactly "thriving" but certainly does well enough. Most activity is in the middle 80% of the main single corridor, although Nordstrom gets enough activity at the western end to stay busy.

Max Rockatansky

WestShore Plaza in Tampa. 

kevinb1994

St Johns Town Center in Jacksonville.

1995hoo

 Tysons Corner Center in Fairfax County, Virginia. Tysons II across the way was reasonably busy both times I went there earlier this year, too.
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Rothman

Not Destiny USA.  Some major losses over the pandemic.
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jeffandnicole

Christiana Mall in Delaware continues to do well.

The Cherry Hill Mall, along with the lesser known Deptford Mall, both in NJ, also continue to do fairly well.

SkyPesos

In Cincinnati, Kenwood is by far the most successful mall in the area, with the luxury brand stores I mentioned above along with its placement in a rich suburb. Florence Mall is the second traditional indoor mall that's going ok. The rest in the area (Northgate, Eastgate, Tri-County, etc) are dying. There's also Liberty Center in West Chester, which is a lifestyle center, and where Tri-County Mall's Dillard's moved to. For outlets, there's Cincinnati Premium Outlets about 5 miles north of Liberty Center.

In Columbus, I mentioned Easton above already, with its Lego Discovery Center. There's also Polaris that I think is about equally thriving as Easton, with Von Maur and Saks as some of the department stores. Both malls have a Costco nearby, and Polaris have an Ikea nearby. I'm unsure on Tuttle's current status, it has two empty anchors, though is far from "dead". Columbus have two Tangar outlet malls nearby, one at I-71 and US 36 near Delaware, other at I-71 and US 35 near Jeffersonville. I haven't been to the Delaware one before, though I heard it's doing better than the Jeffersonville one.

In St Louis, the most successful ones are Galleria, Frontenac and West County. I'm unsure about South County, but from the looks of it, it's doing ok too. There's two outlet malls in the Chesterfield area (which I heard were the reason for Chesterfield Mall's death): St Louis Premium Outlets and Chesterfield Outlets, though I'm unsure which one is more successful.

Flint1979

For Detroit the only ones I think are doing well are Somerset Collection in Troy and Twelve Oaks Mall in Novi. All the other ones seem to be dying especially Eastland Center.

Scott5114

Sooner Mall in Norman is doing well so far as I know (I don't buy the sort of things sold in malls very often). It helps that it's not a very big mall and it's the only one around for some miles. It used to be that if you needed something Sooner Mall didn't have, you would go up to Crossroads Mall in south OKC. Crossroads closed a decade ago (and was dead for longer than that) and now the next-nearest mall is Penn Square on OKC's northwest side.

I think there's probably a market for one big mall, and a few smaller feeder malls, to live in each metro area.
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Revive 755

Yorktown Center in Chicagoland is doing well.

Woodfield Mall in Schaumburg seems to have had some losses during the pandemic but is still a good ways from the dying category.

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andrepoiy

Seems like most malls in the Greater Toronto Area are doing fine.

These include:

Yorkdale
Eaton Centre
Sherway Gardens
Scarborough Town Centre
Square One
Vaughan Mills
Promenade

etc.etc.

SkyPesos

Quote from: andrepoiy on June 06, 2021, 07:43:01 PM
Seems like most malls in the Greater Toronto Area are doing fine.

These include:

Yorkdale
Eaton Centre
Sherway Gardens
Scarborough Town Centre
Square One
Vaughan Mills
Promenade

etc.etc.
Canadian malls seem to be doing better than ones in similar sized American metro areas in general. Like Vancouver's metro area population is about the same as my home city of Cincinnati's (surprised Vancouver's was that low, thought it was at least 3.5 mil), and just off the top of my head, there's Metrotown, Richmond, Pacific Centre, probably one of the malls in Surrey or Langley, and Oakridge (under redevelopment) for thriving malls in the area, more than the 1-2 thriving malls in US metros with a similar population.

Revive 755

Quote from: SkyPesos on June 06, 2021, 10:31:30 AM
In St Louis, the most successful ones are Galleria, Frontenac and West County. I'm unsure about South County, but from the looks of it, it's doing ok too. There's two outlet malls in the Chesterfield area (which I heard were the reason for Chesterfield Mall's death): St Louis Premium Outlets and Chesterfield Outlets, though I'm unsure which one is more successful.

South County is somewhere between thriving and dead.  There are a good number of vacancies but it is far from what Chesterfield has become.

webny99

Eastview Mall in Victor, NY is still doing fairly well, at least a lot better than the other malls in this area.

webny99

Come to think of it, I started a very similar thread a while back:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=22917.0

roadman65

Florida Mall in Orlando, Florida. Being in a tourist area between the Airport and I Drive, it has clientele.  Though the area around it is sketchy, the visitors overseas and from South America don't care and the parking lot  does offer a buffer from life outside it to hinder it.
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Short Pump Town Center is Richmond's most successful mall currently.
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Quote from: Bruce on June 06, 2021, 04:03:01 AM
Outlet malls and lifestyle centers seem to be doing the best in the Northwest, along with a few traditional malls that have diversified their offerings a bit. A few with notes:

University Village - constantly under redevelopment but now has a healthy amount of housing surrounding it and a small walkable footprint out of what was once a bunch of parking lots

Bellevue Square - anchors the west side of Downtown Bellevue, which is still growing and is set to see some Amazon action soon

Seattle Premium Outlets - always busy thanks to the casino traffic, but has managed to do well despite losing almost all of its most lucrative market (Canadians)

Alderwood - finally adding some housing and hotel rooms on the mall property itself

One to watch in the near future is Northgate, which has been mostly demolished and will reopen with light rail at its front door.

I'd echo this.  The big indoor malls that thrived in the 80s seem to be dying, while outdoor "promenades" are the ones that are attracting the higher end retailers.

Here in Bend, OR we have the Old Mill District, which is along the river, and is an outdoor promenade with retailers like REI and Lululemon, along with a lot of nice restaurants.

In the Portland area, there's Bridgeport Village and the Streets of Tanasbourne (outdoor) that seems to be doing great.  Not too far away is Washington Square which is indoors and hanging in there.  Last I checked, Lloyd Center is not too long for this world.

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jakeroot

Quote from: SkyPesos on June 06, 2021, 07:49:04 PM
Quote from: andrepoiy on June 06, 2021, 07:43:01 PM
Seems like most malls in the Greater Toronto Area are doing fine.

These include:

Yorkdale
Eaton Centre
Sherway Gardens
Scarborough Town Centre
Square One
Vaughan Mills
Promenade

etc.etc.

Canadian malls seem to be doing better than ones in similar sized American metro areas in general. Like Vancouver's metro area population is about the same as my home city of Cincinnati's (surprised Vancouver's was that low, thought it was at least 3.5 mil), and just off the top of my head, there's Metrotown, Richmond, Pacific Centre, probably one of the malls in Surrey or Langley, and Oakridge (under redevelopment) for thriving malls in the area, more than the 1-2 thriving malls in US metros with a similar population.

By a mile, the most underperforming shopping centre in Metro Vancouver is the Tsawwassen outlets, off Hwy 17 in Delta. It's this gigantic shopping center (Mills mall, IIRC) but every time I went in there, it was always dead. It's quite a long walk around it, honestly. Lansdowne is also not very busy, but then it is highly centered on the Chinese population of Richmond so you don't see as diverse of demographics.

One of the main advantages Vancouver has is the exceptional transit access. Outside of downtown, Lansdowne, Metrotown, Brentwood, Coquitlam, the YVR Designer Outlets, Oakridge, Richmond Centre, New West, and Central City all exist at SkyTrain stations. All have plenty of parking too, so they end up appealing to just about everyone.



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