Massachusetts milepost exit numbering conversion contract

[Rothman]

That's not a threat.  That would only make them look at you if you had two heads.

Maybe turn US 6 over to the locals...

[Verlanka]

MassDOT needs an ultimatum.  Like, if they don't get the renumbered exits then they'll decommission US 6 east of Bourne.

Or worse, they decommission ALL of US 6 in the state.

[bob7374]

According to MassDOT's project listings, all 3 renumbering contracts are now at the 75% Design stage. I assume 100% will happen soon after the last public meeting later in March.

[Magical Trevor]

Took this photo the other day behind the McDonald's off of the Mass Pike Palmer exit - are there any other "former" lots (obviously this one still sees some use anyway) like this one? I suppose we could remind through the website comment form that this would need an update with the renumbering...

[RobbieL2415]

That's not a threat.  That would only make them look at you if you had two heads.

Maybe turn US 6 over to the locals...

Do that, but delete the number from the log books. 
No sense in signing a road if they want it their own way.

[Beeper1]

Took this photo the other day behind the McDonald's off of the Mass Pike Palmer exit - are there any other "former" lots (obviously this one still sees some use anyway) like this one? I suppose we could remind through the website comment form that this would need an update with the renumbering...

That sign has been long forgotten about by anyone official, I'm sure.   Technically that lot was "closed" way back in 2005 when the McDonald's decided not to renew their agreement with the Turnpike Authority.   Some people still park there, not sure if the McD's particularly cares or not.

   

[bob7374]

According to the MassDOT Project Information site, the design for the first exit renumbering contract for Districts 1-3 was sent for final review and approval on March 19. How soon will the project be advertised? (The other contracts are still at the 75% design level).

[roadman]

According to the MassDOT Project Information site, the final design for the first exit renumbering contract for Districts 1-3 was approved on March 19. How soon will the project be advertised? (The other contracts are still at the 75% design level).

One clarification Bob.  The 3/19 date is when the PS&E submission was received from the designer for final review and approval by MassDOT.  For most projects, advertising normally occurs within 4 to 6 weeks after the PS&E is received, and is always on a Saturday.

[bob7374]

Update on the renumbering contracts process. The District 1-3 contract final design has been sent to FAPRO (Federal Aid Programming and Reimbursement Office) for FHWA authorization. The final designs for the other 2 contracts have been submitted for MassDOT approval, Districts 4-6 on April 6 and for the Mass Pike on April 9. Should we expect to see advertisements posted for all the contracts by the end of May?

[bluecountry]

When is this expected to start/finish?

[DJ Particle]

When is this expected to start/finish?

I think it's meant to start mid-summer 2020 and go for about 1.5-2 years, with the Mid-Cape Highway being the last freeway to get its exits renumbered.

[bob7374]

The first exit renumbering contract (610646), for Districts 1-3, has been advertised at a cost of $908,675. The winning bidder to be announced on July 7. The actual contract bid page has not been put up yet. I will post a link when it is.

[roadman]

The first exit renumbering contract (610646), for Districts 1-3, has been advertised at a cost of $908,675. The winning bidder to be announced on July 7. The actual contract bid page has not been put up yet. I will post a link when it is.

Just to note.  610646 also includes all of Route 2 and I-495.

[bob7374]

The first exit renumbering contract (610646), for Districts 1-3, has been advertised at a cost of $908,675. The winning bidder to be announced on July 7. The actual contract bid page has not been put up yet. I will post a link when it is.

Just to note.  620646 also includes all of Route 2 and I-495.

Thanks. So based on my understanding of district boundaries and the additions, this would mean the first contract will cover I-84, I-91, I-190, I-290, I-395, I-495, MA 2 and MA 146?

[roadman]

The first exit renumbering contract (610646), for Districts 1-3, has been advertised at a cost of $908,675. The winning bidder to be announced on July 7. The actual contract bid page has not been put up yet. I will post a link when it is.

Just to note.  620646 also includes all of Route 2 and I-495.

Thanks. So based on my understanding of district boundaries and the additions, this would mean the first contract will cover I-84, I-91, I-190, I-290, I-395, I-495, MA 2 and MA 146?

You are correct sir.

[Roadgeekteen]

The first exit renumbering contract (610646), for Districts 1-3, has been advertised at a cost of $908,675. The winning bidder to be announced on July 7. The actual contract bid page has not been put up yet. I will post a link when it is.

Just to note.  620646 also includes all of Route 2 and I-495.

Thanks. So based on my understanding of district boundaries and the additions, this would mean the first contract will cover I-84, I-91, I-190, I-290, I-395, I-495, MA 2 and MA 146?

So all the highways except Eastern MA (and I-291 and I-391)? I guess exits are spaced closer together here.

[bob7374]

The first exit renumbering contract (610646), for Districts 1-3, has been advertised at a cost of $908,675. The winning bidder to be announced on July 7. The actual contract bid page has not been put up yet. I will post a link when it is.

Just to note.  620646 also includes all of Route 2 and I-495.

Thanks. So based on my understanding of district boundaries and the additions, this would mean the first contract will cover I-84, I-91, I-190, I-290, I-395, I-495, MA 2 and MA 146?

So all the highways except Eastern MA (and I-291 and I-391)? I guess exits are spaced closer together here.

That is correct. The bid page is now up, but with only a short Notice to Contractor's:
https://www.commbuys.com/bso/external/bidDetail.sdo?docId=BD-20-1030-0H100-0H002-51627&external=true&parentUrl=bid

[bob7374]

MassDOT has now advertised the second exit renumbering contract (610699). The estimated cost is higher than the first contract at $1,046,735. This contract will cover all remaining routes not included in the first such as I-93, I-95, I-195, MA 3, MA 24, MA 128, US 3 and US 6 (the last route to be renumbered). The winning bid is to be announced on June 23, 2 weeks before the second contract. The bid page has not been put up yet. According to the MassDOT project listing, the last contract covering the Mass. Pike has not yet been sent to the FHWA for approval.

[vdeane]

If the contract including US 6 is already advertised and the contract for I-90 hasn't even gotten FHWA approval yet, wouldn't I-90 be the last road instead of US 6?  Or is contract 2 expected to take a lot longer than contract 3?

[shadyjay]

If the contract including US 6 is already advertised and the contract for I-90 hasn't even gotten FHWA approval yet, wouldn't I-90 be the last road instead of US 6?  Or is contract 2 expected to take a lot longer than contract 3?

If Contract 3 is only going to convert the Mass Pike, then I can see Contract 3 finishing before Contract 2, seeing as how Contract 2 will cover more signs requiring replacement.    There are only 25 or so exits on I-90 in Contract 3, while I-95 alone has 60 exits.  That's a lot more signs.

Then again, depending on the contractor, you could see Contract 3 finishing before Contract 1.  Let's not forget there are still signs on the Mass Pike in Springfield that have not yet been replaced (the CT style at Exit 6, WB.... has it been done yet?  Anyone???) while the rest of the 'pike has been converted, under later contracts.

[roadman]

If the contract including US 6 is already advertised and the contract for I-90 hasn't even gotten FHWA approval yet, wouldn't I-90 be the last road instead of US 6?  Or is contract 2 expected to take a lot longer than contract 3?

Contract # 2 (610699) is more complex than Contract # 3 (610700) is, so US 6 will most likely be the last highway converted under the full program.  610699 is also more complex than 610646 (Contract 1, advertised on 5-9) is, which may explain why the 610699 bid opening is two weeks prior to the one for 610646.

[KEVIN_224]

Exit 6 is in Chicopee (I-291/US 20). The Turnpike passes north of Springfield. (Sorry to nitpick!)

[shadyjay]

Exit 6 is in Chicopee (I-291/US 20). The Turnpike passes north of Springfield. (Sorry to nitpick!)

Meant to say either the "exit for Springfield" or the "Springfield area".  At last check several months back, the supports were up, that's it.  This is the last guide sign to be replaced on the Mass Pike, I believe.

If its not replaced by the time Contract 3 gets going, wonder if we'll see the new exit numbers on the old signs!   The signs on the pike eastbound for Exit 22/Prudential Center are still button copy and not replaced either so wonder if we'll see new numbers there as well.

[PurdueBill]

Exit 6 is in Chicopee (I-291/US 20). The Turnpike passes north of Springfield. (Sorry to nitpick!)

Meant to say either the "exit for Springfield" or the "Springfield area".  At last check several months back, the supports were up, that's it.  This is the last guide sign to be replaced on the Mass Pike, I believe.

If its not replaced by the time Contract 3 gets going, wonder if we'll see the new exit numbers on the old signs!   The signs on the pike eastbound for Exit 22/Prudential Center are still button copy and not replaced either so wonder if we'll see new numbers there as well.

It would be fabulous if they could put button copy numerals on for the new exit number at the Pru if the signs are still up when the time comes.  (Ain't gonna happen, but one can dream.)  I live near an Exit 133 and would have tried to get the exit tabs from the old button copy signs when they came down a few years back if I had known, to help out.    ODOT (Ohio) or its contractor actually did scrounge up button copy capital Bs when Exit 209 on I-71 became an A-B and they needed to add the B to the blue logo service signs; a couple with reflective copy got reflective Bs and the older button copy signs got button copy Bs.  It is amazing.

I wish they could have just put the new exit numbers on the Mid-Cape Highway in the middle of the night or something.  All that drama!  Sigh.  (I know they have to give people notice to change brochures/web sites etc., but again, one can dream.)

[bob7374]

Two breaking news items regarding exit renumbering:
1. The final renumbering contract for I-90/Mass Pike has been advertised. The estimated value is $378,000 and the winning bidder is to be announced July 21. This means all the contract winners will be provided over a 4 week period starting on June 23.
2. The bid page for the 2nd contract (610699) has added new documents including Drawings and Sketches which provide details of the signage along with a new list of old and new exit numbers for all the routes covered by the contract. It confirms that MassDOT has changed its original intention of numbering the I-90 and MA 30 exits on I-95/128 in northbound order which would have been backward, to a more logical Exit 24 is now 39A and Exit 25 will be 39B. I am still going through the plans to spot any other changes. It also shows no changes to the US 6 numbers, sorry Cape residents. Feel free to check it the document yourself at:
https://www.commbuys.com/bso/external/bidDetail.sdo?docId=BD-20-1030-0H100-0H002-51737&external=true&parentUrl=bid