CA 1 north of San Francisco (almost as scenic if not as scenic as Big Sur).
Videodrome (one of the best body horror movies ever, but nobody ever talks about it)
Orange Crush (the High Fructose Corn Syrup version of what Fanta should be)
The Mustang II (it sold well for a reason)
Peeing on the side of the road (total and annoyance saver over finding a public restroom in rural areas).
Chicago (the classic lineup with Terry Kath)
Chopped steak
Anchovies/Sardines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqn1WOIpxtY
Sleeping in till noon.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 03, 2022, 03:53:16 PM
Anchovies/Sardines
Especially anchovies. Sometimes after church, I'll whip up a simple lunch of frozen tortellini and pesto from a jar. Before I mix everything together, though, I sauté some diced onion in olive oil, then I put in some anchovy paste or diced anchovies right at the end. The smell when it first hits the pan can be a bit much for the rest of the family (three out of the four don't like anchovies), but they're head over heels for the final result.
I'm to the point now where, if it's a sauce that's going on pasta, then it's getting anchovies.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2022, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 03, 2022, 03:53:16 PM
Anchovies/Sardines
Especially anchovies. Sometimes after church, I'll whip up a simple lunch of frozen tortellini and pesto from a jar. Before I mix everything together, though, I sauté some diced onion in olive oil, then I put in some anchovy paste or diced anchovies right at the end. The smell when it first hits the pan can be a bit much for the rest of the family (three out of the four don't like anchovies), but they're head over heels for the final result.
I'm to the point now where, if it's a sauce that's going on pasta, then it's getting anchovies.
Have you had white anchovies? Mind blowing.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 03, 2022, 04:06:58 PM
Have you had white anchovies? Mind blowing.
Yes, because you recommended them. I was underwhelmed.
Quote from: kphoger on April 09, 2021, 01:31:46 PM
OK, I picked up some white anchovies on Wednesday. But now I'm worried they'll just taste like sardines–which I already had and rarely use. Did I make a mistake here...
(https://i.imgur.com/thDdhL9.jpg)
Quote from: kphoger on April 27, 2021, 11:39:58 AM
Forgot to follow up... I had the white anchovies a while ago, and they were basically just a better-tasting sardine. I imagine the refrigerated kind are better–being preserved in vinegar rather than just oil–but I don't know where to find those around here. This past weekend, I bought a tin of white anchovies preserved in salt water to see if those are any better.
The way I ate them was to mash them up with spreadable cheese, capers, herbes de Provence, olive oil, lemon juice, smoked paprika, and diced Kalamata olives–then spread that on crackers.
Yeah, that brand isn't great. They're too much like sardines texturally. You need the pretty filets in oil like this.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZRzg2PvK/Anchovies.png)
I have the brand that you have but I only use them in Caesar salads. The others I can just eat by themselves.
Spray cheese on a Ritz cracker.
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 03, 2022, 04:20:27 PM
Spray cheese on a Ritz cracker.
That shit is like freebase cocaine once you start eating.
Recent seasons of The Simpsons.
There are some real gems sprinkled throughout compared to the lull the show seemed to experience a decade ago. Plenty of duds, too, don't get me wrong, but enough good ones to continue watching.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 03, 2022, 04:19:46 PM
You need the pretty filets in oil like this.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZRzg2PvK/Anchovies.png)
As I said, I don't know a local source to buy those from.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2022, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 03, 2022, 04:19:46 PM
You need the pretty filets in oil like this.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZRzg2PvK/Anchovies.png)
As I said, I don't know a local source to buy those from.
If you ever get out here for a vacation anytime soon, I'll buy you some. There are a couple of specialty grocers that have them here.
These look decent (if not a bit pricey) from Amazon. (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DBFG8V6/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B00DBFG8V6&pd_rd_w=wlfmO&pf_rd_p=ee7235ab-ce09-4c2e-b44a-fe648de12609&pd_rd_wg=y9IpY&pf_rd_r=416QDM09FBHEET2RDD2W&pd_rd_r=aacdd7be-9b25-463f-81bb-bfe8ad26f095&s=grocery&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExNTFCNktZVlRIU0ZYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjk4MzMzMVZDWUE1R1JBVFMxVCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTc1NTk3MUM3M1JRTjIzUlNISCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbCZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=)
Also, The Seafood Shop in Wichita could likely order some in for you from glancing at their website. They're often distributed by the same companies that bring in fresh fish (Seattle Fish and the like).
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 03, 2022, 04:29:21 PM
Recent seasons of The Simpsons.
There are some real gems sprinkled throughout compared to the lull the show seemed to experience a decade ago. Plenty of duds, too, don't get me wrong, but enough good ones to continue watching.
No.
Physical media.
Sports car racing, though those who tend to get into it tend to get really obsessed with it.
Juan Pablo Montoya.
Dream pop.
The post-reformation era (2007-present) of the Smashing Pumpkins.
Chicken thighs.
Quote from: Takumi on May 03, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Physical media.
Sports car racing, though those who tend to get into it tend to get really obsessed with it.
Juan Pablo Montoya.
Dream pop.
The post-reformation era (2007-present) of the Smashing Pumpkins.
He's never going to live this down:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 03, 2022, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 03, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Physical media.
Sports car racing, though those who tend to get into it tend to get really obsessed with it.
Juan Pablo Montoya.
Dream pop.
The post-reformation era (2007-present) of the Smashing Pumpkins.
He's never going to live this down:
And yet he's so much more than that. Two-time Indy 500 winner, CART title, IMSA title, F3000 (today's F2) title, wins in F1/Indy/NASCAR/IMSA/WEC, and you could make a case that he's won the Triple Crown of Motorsport. (He says he has, but most say he hasn't, because his win at Le Mans was a class win and not overall.)
Quote from: Takumi on May 03, 2022, 05:13:25 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 03, 2022, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 03, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Physical media.
Sports car racing, though those who tend to get into it tend to get really obsessed with it.
Juan Pablo Montoya.
Dream pop.
The post-reformation era (2007-present) of the Smashing Pumpkins.
He's never going to live this down:
And yet he's so much more than that. Two-time Indy 500 winner, CART title, IMSA title, F3000 (today's F2) title, wins in F1/Indy/NASCAR/IMSA/WEC, and you could make a case that he's won the Triple Crown of Motorsport. (He says he has, but most say he hasn't, because his win at Le Mans was a class win and not overall.)
I'm not disagreeing that his overall resume is very impressive. I would argue finishing in the top ten in the points in a NASCAR season was more impressive then his two Road Course wins though.
Curling
Lacrosse
Robot combat
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 03, 2022, 05:08:04 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2022, 04:59:48 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 03, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Chicken thighs.
true dat
In full agreement again. White meat is for suckers.
Don't get me wrong: I like chicken breast too. I just think the thighs are underrated.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2022, 06:16:32 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 03, 2022, 05:08:04 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2022, 04:59:48 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 03, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Chicken thighs.
true dat
In full agreement again. White meat is for suckers.
Don't get me wrong: I like chicken breast too. I just think the thighs are underrated.
Dark meat McNuggets were fantastic before the white meat brigade killed them with their "health consciousness."
The 2005 White Sox; I remember following them during their postseason run that ended in a World Series sweep, even though I'm a lifelong Cubs fan. I just wanted to see a Chicago team win a World Series, but little did I know then that my own favorite team would do it 11 years later.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 03, 2022, 03:46:25 PM
Chicago (the classic lineup with Terry Kath)
Are they really underrated though? Their problem was more that few people can name a member of Chicago (which seemed to have been done by design by the band and their management), not the familiarity of their music to a standard radio listener.
The Electric Light Orchestra (or ELO if you prefer)
HOCKIES!!!!
Underrated:
* 100% or more of the fiber RDA every day
* At least five servings of vegetables from three different vegetables every day, none of which is potato
Unsweetened iced tea is underrated.
Sweet iced tea is underrated.
Take your pick, it seems like everyone out there (everyone who likes iced tea, that is) loves one and despises the other. From my perspective, it is less socially acceptable to like both types of iced tea than it is to cheer for both the White Sox and the Cubs.
Knowing the roads.
Physical keyboards and buttons.
Taco Bell.
Manual labor.
Traditional-media art.
Solitude.
Knowing the ****ing roads.
Major League Soccer.
Tickets are still affordable, parity makes things competitive, the quality of play is improving year-over-year, the average atmosphere is better than what most other US sports teams can muster on their best nights. Give it a try.
Quote from: Ned Weasel on May 03, 2022, 09:44:40 PM
Traditional-media art.
Eh, I don't know about that. I started out doing art on traditional media because I didn't have a tablet (I could never communicate to my parents what one was or where they could get one). Over time I've transitioned more and more to digital. Art is hard enough without having to fight physical materials when you do it. Blending markers, or worrying about paint being too runny/not runny enough, or realizing you shaded something too dark and and having to do it over again, is mental overhead nobody should have to put up with if they don't want to.
Props to anyone that has the patience for traditional, though.
With kids, that gets interesting if you look at it pragmatically... Kids don't really provide a "return on investment" so to speak anymore (given things like family farm jobs are rare now State side) and essentially are at best a 18 year financial black hole. I don't think it would be underselling it to say they many adults would be far more financially healthy if they didn't have kids.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 03, 2022, 05:16:54 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 03, 2022, 05:13:25 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 03, 2022, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 03, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Physical media.
Sports car racing, though those who tend to get into it tend to get really obsessed with it.
Juan Pablo Montoya.
Dream pop.
The post-reformation era (2007-present) of the Smashing Pumpkins.
He's never going to live this down:
And yet he's so much more than that. Two-time Indy 500 winner, CART title, IMSA title, F3000 (today's F2) title, wins in F1/Indy/NASCAR/IMSA/WEC, and you could make a case that he's won the Triple Crown of Motorsport. (He says he has, but most say he hasn't, because his win at Le Mans was a class win and not overall.)
I'm not disagreeing that his overall resume is very impressive. I would argue finishing in the top ten in the points in a NASCAR season was more impressive then his two Road Course wins though.
Yeah, considering Ganassi in NASCAR was always what's referred to in open-wheel as a midfield team. He often made the car look better than it actually was, and should have had a Brickyard 400 win as well.
Unfortunately you proved my point about what most American motorsports fans will remember him for.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2022, 09:30:17 PM
Unsweetened iced tea is underrated.
Sweet iced tea is underrated.
Take your pick, it seems like everyone out there (everyone who likes iced tea, that is) loves one and despises the other. From my perspective, it is less socially acceptable to like both types of iced tea than it is to cheer for both the White Sox and the Cubs.
I'm sure Steve Stone and Harry Caray would be ok with it.
Quote from: Takumi on May 04, 2022, 12:27:59 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 03, 2022, 05:16:54 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 03, 2022, 05:13:25 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 03, 2022, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 03, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Physical media.
Sports car racing, though those who tend to get into it tend to get really obsessed with it.
Juan Pablo Montoya.
Dream pop.
The post-reformation era (2007-present) of the Smashing Pumpkins.
He's never going to live this down:
And yet he's so much more than that. Two-time Indy 500 winner, CART title, IMSA title, F3000 (today's F2) title, wins in F1/Indy/NASCAR/IMSA/WEC, and you could make a case that he's won the Triple Crown of Motorsport. (He says he has, but most say he hasn't, because his win at Le Mans was a class win and not overall.)
I'm not disagreeing that his overall resume is very impressive. I would argue finishing in the top ten in the points in a NASCAR season was more impressive then his two Road Course wins though.
Yeah, considering Ganassi in NASCAR was always what's referred to in open-wheel as a midfield team. He often made the car look better than it actually was, and should have had a Brickyard 400 win as well.
Unfortunately you proved my point about what most American motorsports fans will remember him for.
In my case I spent a good number of years in my youth hanging out with my Dad at Marcis Auto Racing. I enjoy F1 and many different facing series but they will never be close to me personally as 1990s/early 2000s NASCAR was (which I would argue was also it's pinnacle era).
https://flic.kr/p/21DkbTd
But to your point most American racing fans (a dying breed) usually follow NASCAR closely.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2022, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: Ned Weasel on May 03, 2022, 09:44:40 PM
Traditional-media art.
Eh, I don't know about that. I started out doing art on traditional media because I didn't have a tablet (I could never communicate to my parents what one was or where they could get one). Over time I've transitioned more and more to digital. Art is hard enough without having to fight physical materials when you do it. Blending markers, or worrying about paint being too runny/not runny enough, or realizing you shaded something too dark and and having to do it over again, is mental overhead nobody should have to put up with if they don't want to.
Props to anyone that has the patience for traditional, though.
It could be that the care and patience required for traditional-media art is precisely
why its value is underrated.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 AM
With kids, that gets interesting if you look at it pragmatically... Kids don't really provide a "return on investment" so to speak anymore (given things like family farm jobs are rare now State side) and essentially are at best a 18 year financial black hole. I don't think it would be underselling it to say they many adults would be far more financially healthy if they didn't have kids.
Have you ever known anyone who decided to have kids for financial reasons, though?
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 AM
With kids, that gets interesting if you look at it pragmatically... Kids don't really provide a "return on investment" so to speak anymore (given things like family farm jobs are rare now State side) and essentially are at best a 18 year financial black hole. I don't think it would be underselling it to say they many adults would be far more financially healthy if they didn't have kids.
Have you ever known anyone who decided to have kids for financial reasons, though?
Yes, my extended family in Minnesota. They had nine kids and deliberately spaced them out for sustained free hands for summer farm labor.
2FA.
My class for the summer requires a smart watch and a phone for communication.
See below on why its needed
QuoteSuccessful Cyberattacks via phishing emails are happening globally and within the NC Community College System. As of May 1, ITS will start implementing Multi-Factor Authentication (MFA) for all newly created student accounts to better protect our student accounts. ITS will implement Multi-Factor Authentication (MFA) for existing student accounts on September 1.
Students should review the MFA User Guide before registering for MFA.
Note: The Microsoft MFA solution does not support native email clients via iPhone or Android. If you currently use your mobile device to access your redacted email, you will need to install the Microsoft Outlook mobile app on your device to continue to do so after MFA registration.
Please contact the IT Service Desk at redacted if you have any questions.
IT Service Desk | Information Technology Services
So now I have to go out and pay $200 for a new phone plus a data plan because of MFA. :colorful:
At UMass Lowell, there was the option to enter a 6-digit code that's sent by text instead of getting an app, and that works on dumbphones. Does that option not exist for you?
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 09:53:44 AM
2FA.
My class for the summer requires a smart watch and a phone for communication.
See below on why its needed
Quote
... Please contact the IT Service Desk at redacted if you have any questions.
So now I have to go out and pay $200 for a new phone plus a data plan because of MFA.
Have you contacted IT and asked what to do if you don't have a smartphone?
It might be possible to receive a phone call from the 2FA entity instead with your passcode.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 09:24:51 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 AM
With kids, that gets interesting if you look at it pragmatically... Kids don't really provide a "return on investment" so to speak anymore (given things like family farm jobs are rare now State side) and essentially are at best a 18 year financial black hole. I don't think it would be underselling it to say they many adults would be far more financially healthy if they didn't have kids.
Have you ever known anyone who decided to have kids for financial reasons, though?
Yes, my extended family in Minnesota. They had nine kids and deliberately spaced them out for sustained free hands for summer farm labor.
Interesting. I didn't know that was still a thing even in farm families. (Of course, you specifically mentioned family farm jobs in your original comment.)
Quote from: 1 on May 04, 2022, 09:57:51 AM
At UMass Lowell, there was the option to enter a 6-digit code that's sent by text instead of getting an app, and that works on dumbphones. Does that option not exist for you?
Nope, Wake Tech requires a smartphone. With a data plan. :colorful:
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 04, 2022, 09:57:51 AM
At UMass Lowell, there was the option to enter a 6-digit code that's sent by text instead of getting an app, and that works on dumbphones. Does that option not exist for you?
Nope, Wake Tech requires a smartphone. With a data plan. :colorful:
So, the text and phone call options for your school's Microsoft MFA have been eliminated since
this document (https://moodle.waketech.edu/pluginfile.php/730484/mod_label/intro/Wake%20Tech%20MFA%20User%20Setup%20%281%29.pdf) was published a year ago?
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 04, 2022, 09:57:51 AM
At UMass Lowell, there was the option to enter a 6-digit code that's sent by text instead of getting an app, and that works on dumbphones. Does that option not exist for you?
Nope, Wake Tech requires a smartphone. With a data plan. :colorful:
So, the text and phone call options for your school's Microsoft MFA have been eliminated since this document (https://moodle.waketech.edu/pluginfile.php/730484/mod_label/intro/Wake%20Tech%20MFA%20User%20Setup%20%281%29.pdf) was published a year ago?
Pretty much. Cant sign in unless you have a compatible phone.
SM-G550T
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 10:01:26 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 09:24:51 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 AM
With kids, that gets interesting if you look at it pragmatically... Kids don't really provide a "return on investment" so to speak anymore (given things like family farm jobs are rare now State side) and essentially are at best a 18 year financial black hole. I don't think it would be underselling it to say they many adults would be far more financially healthy if they didn't have kids.
Have you ever known anyone who decided to have kids for financial reasons, though?
Yes, my extended family in Minnesota. They had nine kids and deliberately spaced them out for sustained free hands for summer farm labor.
Interesting. I didn't know that was still a thing even in farm families. (Of course, you specifically mentioned family farm jobs in your original comment.)
Yeah it was pretty interesting to see growing up in the 1980s when we visited them. At the time it was pretty clear that the practice was on its last days given how unusual it was even then to see. My Dad thought it was weird but my Mom who had been around it more (her side of the family) never had much negative to say.
The 2FA service we use allows you to either use their app (smartphone required), or they call you and you pick up and push 1 (dumbphone required), or you can use a single-use pre-generated passcode (no phone required). I have like six of those backup codes written down on a sticky note so that I can get in if my phone dies. Seems like something of that sort should be an option for you.
Quote from: US 89 on May 04, 2022, 10:32:22 AM
The 2FA service we use allows you to either use their app (smartphone required), or they call you and you pick up and push 1 (dumbphone required), or you can use a single-use pre-generated passcode (no phone required). I have like six of those backup codes written down on a sticky note so that I can get in if my phone dies. Seems like something of that sort should be an option for you.
And it's a question that IT is certainly prepared to answer.
Quote from: US 89 on May 04, 2022, 10:32:22 AM
The 2FA service we use allows you to either use their app (smartphone required), or they call you and you pick up and push 1 (dumbphone required), or you can use a single-use pre-generated passcode (no phone required). I have like six of those backup codes written down on a sticky note so that I can get in if my phone dies. Seems like something of that sort should be an option for you.
We dont do codes at our college.
SM-G550T
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 AM
With kids, that gets interesting if you look at it pragmatically... Kids don't really provide a "return on investment" so to speak anymore (given things like family farm jobs are rare now State side) and essentially are at best a 18 year financial black hole. I don't think it would be underselling it to say they many adults would be far more financially healthy if they didn't have kids.
Looking at children from a purely financial perspective is incredibly stupid. You could say the same about getting married in most cases, but you don't see as many people* going around happily single. Relationships with children (really family, in general) are priceless.
* I know people remain single for a variety of reasons, but my point is that it's culturally less common than remaining childless.
Also, to address the 2FA debate: I get why it exists, and it is effective, but stop making me do it over and over again on the same computer. It's obvious it's me, let me save my password!
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 AM
With kids, that gets interesting if you look at it pragmatically... Kids don't really provide a "return on investment" so to speak anymore (given things like family farm jobs are rare now State side) and essentially are at best a 18 year financial black hole. I don't think it would be underselling it to say they many adults would be far more financially healthy if they didn't have kids.
Looking at children from a purely financial perspective is incredibly stupid. You could say the same about getting married in most cases, but you don't see as many people* going around happily single. Relationships with children (really family, in general) are priceless.
* I know people remain single for a variety of reasons, but my point is that it's culturally less common than remaining childless.
Also, to address the 2FA debate: I get why it exists, and it is effective, but stop making me do it over and over again on the same computer. It's obvious it's me, let me save my password!
2FA is way too complicated. Having to provide a phone and a PIN is a shame how attackers are breaking into the Internet. :banghead:
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 AM
With kids, that gets interesting if you look at it pragmatically... Kids don't really provide a "return on investment" so to speak anymore (given things like family farm jobs are rare now State side) and essentially are at best a 18 year financial black hole. I don't think it would be underselling it to say they many adults would be far more financially healthy if they didn't have kids.
Looking at children from a purely financial perspective is incredibly stupid. You could say the same about getting married in most cases, but you don't see as many people* going around happily single. Relationships with children (really family, in general) are priceless.
* I know people remain single for a variety of reasons, but my point is that it's culturally less common than remaining childless.
Also, to address the 2FA debate: I get why it exists, and it is effective, but stop making me do it over and over again on the same computer. It's obvious it's me, let me save my password!
But that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 AM
With kids, that gets interesting if you look at it pragmatically... Kids don't really provide a "return on investment" so to speak anymore (given things like family farm jobs are rare now State side) and essentially are at best a 18 year financial black hole. I don't think it would be underselling it to say they many adults would be far more financially healthy if they didn't have kids.
Looking at children from a purely financial perspective is incredibly stupid. You could say the same about getting married in most cases, but you don't see as many people* going around happily single. Relationships with children (really family, in general) are priceless.
* I know people remain single for a variety of reasons, but my point is that it's culturally less common than remaining childless.
Also, to address the 2FA debate: I get why it exists, and it is effective, but stop making me do it over and over again on the same computer. It's obvious it's me, let me save my password!
But that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
My cousin (a woman) is now pregnant with her second child, the first was with another guy. Her husband (soon to be) is in his 30s and she is 35. How in the world would somebody be pregnant this late in her life?! :D
On the other hand, my mother was 39 when she gave birth to me. My dad, however, was 29 when I was born.
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 AM
With kids, that gets interesting if you look at it pragmatically... Kids don't really provide a "return on investment" so to speak anymore (given things like family farm jobs are rare now State side) and essentially are at best a 18 year financial black hole. I don't think it would be underselling it to say they many adults would be far more financially healthy if they didn't have kids.
Looking at children from a purely financial perspective is incredibly stupid. You could say the same about getting married in most cases, but you don't see as many people* going around happily single. Relationships with children (really family, in general) are priceless.
* I know people remain single for a variety of reasons, but my point is that it's culturally less common than remaining childless.
Also, to address the 2FA debate: I get why it exists, and it is effective, but stop making me do it over and over again on the same computer. It's obvious it's me, let me save my password!
But that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
My cousin (a woman) is now pregnant with her second child, the first was with another guy. Her husband (soon to be) is in his 30s and she is 35. How in the world would somebody be pregnant this late in her life?! :D
On the other hand, my mother was 39 when she gave birth to me. My dad, however, was 29 when I was born.
My Mom was 35 when I was born, so why not me at 39 and my wife at 37? 35 back then was probably considered far older societally back in 1982 than it is today. Neither of us has any apparent health complications that would be an obstruction.
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 10:38:16 AM
Quote from: US 89 on May 04, 2022, 10:32:22 AM
The 2FA service we use allows you to either use their app (smartphone required), or they call you and you pick up and push 1 (dumbphone required), or you can use a single-use pre-generated passcode (no phone required). I have like six of those backup codes written down on a sticky note so that I can get in if my phone dies. Seems like something of that sort should be an option for you.
We dont do codes at our college.
Have you specifically asked? Earlier, I linked to a publication–just one year old–from your college that outlined steps for both text and phone call options.
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 10:38:16 AM
Quote from: US 89 on May 04, 2022, 10:32:22 AM
The 2FA service we use allows you to either use their app (smartphone required), or they call you and you pick up and push 1 (dumbphone required), or you can use a single-use pre-generated passcode (no phone required). I have like six of those backup codes written down on a sticky note so that I can get in if my phone dies. Seems like something of that sort should be an option for you.
We dont do codes at our college.
Have you specifically asked? Earlier, I linked to a publication–just one year old–from your college that outlined steps for both text and phone call options.
Yes, I have contacted Helpdesk and told me that there was no other options.
If I were you, I'd put in a formal written complaint to student services or whatever department, stating that it's a financial burden and that other institutions offer text or phone call options.
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 11:59:53 AM
If I were you, I'd put in a formal written complaint to student services or whatever department, stating that it's a financial burden and that other institutions offer text or phone call options.
Except 2FA that involves sending a code by phone or text is really, really easy to spoof.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AM
But that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 04, 2022, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 11:59:53 AM
If I were you, I'd put in a formal written complaint to student services or whatever department, stating that it's a financial burden and that other institutions offer text or phone call options.
Except 2FA that involves sending a code by phone or text is really, really easy to spoof.
I must admit... I use two different MFAs on my computer at work. One of them is to lock down a VPN for one of the MSOs we work for, and I use a PC widget (VIP Access) to generate the six-digit code. The day the code popped up as 000000, I seriously considered not entering it. But I did anyway.
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 04, 2022, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 11:59:53 AM
If I were you, I'd put in a formal written complaint to student services or whatever department, stating that it's a financial burden and that other institutions offer text or phone call options.
Except 2FA that involves sending a code by phone or text is really, really easy to spoof.
I must admit... I use two different MFAs on my computer at work. One of them is to lock down a VPN for one of the MSOs we work for, and I use a PC widget (VIP Access) to generate the six-digit code. The day the code popped up as 000000, I seriously considered not entering it. But I did anyway.
Hey, things that have a one-in-a-million chance of happening...still happen.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AM
But that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
Put it this way, speaking for myself I think it would have altered my life in a less than ideal way. I wouldn't have been able to clinch the National Parks in the lower 48 states and travel anywhere to the extent I have if say I had kids around say 25. To me (this is a subjective measure) it was way more important to do things like that earlier in my life when I would almost certainly be actually be physically well enough to enjoy them. I guess that you could say I couldn't sacrifice for a person who was hypothetical over myself. Better in my view to wait until there wasn't much of a sacrifice or just not have kids at all.
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There's nothing harder to stop than that who's time has passed.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:35:53 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AM
But that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
Put it this way, speaking for myself I think it would have altered my life in a less than ideal way. I wouldn't have been able to clinch the National Parks in the lower 48 states and travel anywhere to the extent I have if say I had kids around say 25. To me (this is a subjective measure) it was way more important to do things like that earlier in my life when I would almost certainly be actually be physically well enough to enjoy them. I guess that you could say I couldn't sacrifice for a person who was hypothetical over myself. Better in my view to wait until there wasn't much of a sacrifice or just not have kids at all.
Hope you got to Gateway Arch NP. :D
Quote from: Rothman on May 04, 2022, 01:09:47 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:35:53 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AM
But that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
Put it this way, speaking for myself I think it would have altered my life in a less than ideal way. I wouldn't have been able to clinch the National Parks in the lower 48 states and travel anywhere to the extent I have if say I had kids around say 25. To me (this is a subjective measure) it was way more important to do things like that earlier in my life when I would almost certainly be actually be physically well enough to enjoy them. I guess that you could say I couldn't sacrifice for a person who was hypothetical over myself. Better in my view to wait until there wasn't much of a sacrifice or just not have kids at all.
Hope you got to Gateway Arch NP. :D
Yes, before it was a National Park. The same thing happened retroactively to places I've been like; Indiana Dunes, White Sands National Monument and New River Gorge. I do have an excuse to go back to Gateway Arch now though to get my wife her hiking bag pin and map for my collection.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 01:14:29 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:35:53 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AM
But that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
Put it this way, speaking for myself I think it would have altered my life in a less than ideal way. I wouldn't have been able to clinch the National Parks in the lower 48 states and travel anywhere to the extent I have if say I had kids around say 25. To me (this is a subjective measure) it was way more important to do things like that earlier in my life when I would almost certainly be actually be physically well enough to enjoy them. I guess that you could say I couldn't sacrifice for a person who was hypothetical over myself. Better in my view to wait until there wasn't much of a sacrifice or just not have kids at all.
Hope you got to Gateway Arch NP. :D
Yes, before it was a National Park.
Then you have not. :>
Quote from: Rothman on May 04, 2022, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 01:14:29 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 04, 2022, 01:09:47 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:35:53 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AM
But that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
Put it this way, speaking for myself I think it would have altered my life in a less than ideal way. I wouldn't have been able to clinch the National Parks in the lower 48 states and travel anywhere to the extent I have if say I had kids around say 25. To me (this is a subjective measure) it was way more important to do things like that earlier in my life when I would almost certainly be actually be physically well enough to enjoy them. I guess that you could say I couldn't sacrifice for a person who was hypothetical over myself. Better in my view to wait until there wasn't much of a sacrifice or just not have kids at all.
Hope you got to Gateway Arch NP. :D
Yes, before it was a National Park.
Then you have not. :>
We do intend to remedy White Sands next year on cross country drive. It's possible I'll be returning to New River Gorge as part of the Philadelphia Road Meet Week. I guess Gateway Arch would be workable if I ever got serious about exploring the corridor of US 66 again (I'm not too keen on a full repeat).
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 10:59:23 AM
My cousin (a woman) is now pregnant with her second child, the first was with another guy. Her husband (soon to be) is in his 30s and she is 35. How in the world would somebody be pregnant this late in her life?! :D
On the other hand, my mother was 39 when she gave birth to me. My dad, however, was 29 when I was born.
My great grandparents were each remarried and had four kids in their 40s... back in the late 1920s and 1930s. Great grandma was 40 (granduncle), 41 (grandma and her twin brother) and 45 (grandaunt) for those births.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:35:53 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AM
But that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
Put it this way, speaking for myself I think it would have altered my life in a less than ideal way. I wouldn't have been able to clinch the National Parks in the lower 48 states and travel anywhere to the extent I have if say I had kids around say 25. To me (this is a subjective measure) it was way more important to do things like that earlier in my life when I would almost certainly be actually be physically well enough to enjoy them. I guess that you could say I couldn't sacrifice for a person who was hypothetical over myself. Better in my view to wait until there wasn't much of a sacrifice or just not have kids at all.
Then it just comes down to personal opinion which is understandable.
I enjoy driving and clinching routes or non-roadgeek hobbies like video-game collecting, but it's not always particularly satisfying. The idea of raising kids sounds more fulfilling to me, and then I also might get the chance to share or pass-down those interests.
Warren Zevon.
Enjoying every sandwich.
(those are actually two separate thoughts)
Your favorite football team having a bye so you don't feel like your Saturday/Sunday is partially taken up, no matter how much you love football.
Pittsburgh, PA
Waking up accidently at your usual time on a Saturday to then have the feeling come over you that you don't have to get up.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 03, 2022, 03:43:50 PM
CA 1 north of San Francisco (almost as scenic if not as scenic as Big Sur).
Videodrome (one of the best body horror movies ever, but nobody ever talks about it)
Orange Crush (the High Fructose Corn Syrup version of what Fanta should be)
The Mustang II (it sold well for a reason)
Peeing on the side of the road (total and annoyance saver over finding a public restroom in rural areas).
Hey, don't be spreading the word about Highway 1! It's already crowded enough in the summer!
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 12:35:53 PM
Put it this way, speaking for myself I think it would have altered my life in a less than ideal way. I wouldn't have been able to clinch the National Parks in the lower 48 states and travel anywhere to the extent I have if say I had kids around say 25. To me (this is a subjective measure) it was way more important to do things like that earlier in my life when I would almost certainly be actually be physically well enough to enjoy them. I guess that you could say I couldn't sacrifice for a person who was hypothetical over myself. Better in my view to wait until there wasn't much of a sacrifice or just not have kids at all.
Then it just comes down to personal opinion which is understandable.
I enjoy driving and clinching routes or non-roadgeek hobbies like video-game collecting, but it's not always particularly satisfying. The idea of raising kids sounds more fulfilling to me, and then I also might get the chance to share or pass-down those interests.
Exactly. Same here. I was perfectly happy to be "tied down", so to speak.
Back in my single days, I once left work on Frdiay and took a Greyhound bus from Chicago (Cumberland Ave) up to Menominee, Michigan. The bus got in around midnight, and I slept the night (barely at all, really) at a picnic table under a municipal park pavilion. The next morning, I walked out to M-35 and started hitchhiking east. Along the way, I went skinny dipping in Lake Michigan at Manistique, took a nap outside a church in Houghton Lake, and played with puppies in the back seat of someone's car. That night, I pitched my tent behind an abandoned boxcar on a railroad stub in Paw Paw, washed up in a gas station bathroom the next morning, and hitchhiked the rest of the way back to Chicago. All because I had nothing to do that weekend and I felt like seeing Michigan.
Back before my wife and I had kids, we would sometimes get in the car and just drive to nowhere in particular, making a right or left turn wherever we felt like it, for a few hours, just for no good reason. Or we'd go up to a state park on the spur of the moment and camp the night there.
But not anymore. Now, with kids, we're more tied down to a house and a budget and a predictable schedule. And do you know what? I'm no less happy now than I was back then. Probably more so, in fact.
^^^
At minimum when I was getting involved with my now wife I did the right thing and make it clear that I have zero intention to cease my aimless travel. She's been pretty accepting that I might go off and drive some dangerous mountain road to engage in a remote hike or find some sort of abandoned something a couple times a month. I don't know how that kind of thing just continues unabated (it probably doesn't) when you have kids and have to manage their lives on top of your own.
At least from the examples you show with your own kids it seems that those kinds of hobby activities can continue, with a degree of planning.
Quote from: kkt on May 04, 2022, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 03, 2022, 03:43:50 PM
CA 1 north of San Francisco (almost as scenic if not as scenic as Big Sur).
Videodrome (one of the best body horror movies ever, but nobody ever talks about it)
Orange Crush (the High Fructose Corn Syrup version of what Fanta should be)
The Mustang II (it sold well for a reason)
Peeing on the side of the road (total and annoyance saver over finding a public restroom in rural areas).
Hey, don't be spreading the word about Highway 1! It's already crowded enough in the summer!
Bad time to say that I might do a historic page on CA 1 on Gribblenation when I get the last couple US 99/California blogs done?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 02:04:11 PM
Your favorite football team having a bye so you don't feel like your Saturday/Sunday is partially taken up, no matter how much you love football.
I feel that way about Formula 1 race weekends. I enjoy them, but if I'm dedicated and watch all three practice sessions, qualifying, the race, and a lot of other pre/post-shows, it takes up over 6 hours. Sometimes I have that time to spare. Sometimes I don't.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AMBut that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
I have sympathies on both sides of this issue. A few things to consider:
* Fertility is not guaranteed for anyone, at any age. I have a shirttail relative who tried multiple rounds of IVF in her late thirties, only to discover she has a medical condition that prevents an embryo from implanting in the uterus. She and her husband ended up adopting two babies from overseas, one from Kazakhstan and the other from Russia.
* Good relationships are as much founded on consciously building emotional intimacy as they are on choosing a compatible mate. This is one reason (though perhaps not the main reason) app-based dating is considered such a disaster--the endless search for best fit ends up blocking relationship formation.
* Being single has its disadvantages, but beats being in a bad marriage hands down. When economists have used hedonic pricing methods to come up with dollars-and-cents estimates on the respective values of a good marriage, singledom, and a bad marriage, they have come up with annual income estimates of $100,000, zero, and the negative five figures.
* It takes a certain measure of maturity and self-knowledge to assume the responsibility of a lifelong committed relationship with someone else. Some people have this by their early twenties; others reach it later in life; some never attain it.
* If everyone with resources approaches marriage and childbearing with a focus on the short-run financial penalties, the result is a society where most of the children are born to those who don't, often for factors related to low income. At the societal level, that is bad for economic mobility, inequality of income and wealth, and intergenerational wealth accumulation. This is part of the reason many European countries grappling with the demographic transition have mandated paternity leave, subsidized childcare, and baby bonuses, as well as making family planning services available without restriction.
Another consideration I don't know if I articulated above is the desire to have children or not. To me that was never really something that I've considered personal "manifest destiny." Even now I'm more or less take it or leave regarding having children. If we have one child (emphasis we only want one) that's great, but it wouldn't be the end of the world (for me and my wife) if we didn't.
Growing up I faced a lot of family borne pressure to carry on my last name from my Dad and Grandpa. If anything that pressure kind of soured the prospect of having children, because it was something they wanted for themselves from me and not really so much something they wanted for me. My wife experienced similar pressures growing up in a Hispanic household, especially from her Grand Mother. I'm to understand from my wife that not having children early in adulthood is often heavily frowned upon in her family.
Then again, my wife's family actively tried to discourage her from college and home ownership due to gender roles. I don't think it was malicious on their end given how she has more or less become the de facto matriarchal figure now for her family.
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Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AMBut that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
I have sympathies on both sides of this issue. A few things to consider:
* Fertility is not guaranteed for anyone, at any age. I have a shirttail relative who tried multiple rounds of IVF in her late thirties, only to discover she has a medical condition that prevents an embryo from implanting in the uterus. She and her husband ended up adopting two babies from overseas, one from Kazakhstan and the other from Russia.
* Good relationships are as much founded on consciously building emotional intimacy as they are on choosing a compatible mate. This is one reason (though perhaps not the main reason) app-based dating is considered such a disaster--the endless search for best fit ends up blocking relationship formation.
* Being single has its disadvantages, but beats being in a bad marriage hands down. When economists have used hedonic pricing methods to come up with dollars-and-cents estimates on the respective values of a good marriage, singledom, and a bad marriage, they have come up with annual income estimates of $100,000, zero, and the negative five figures.
* It takes a certain measure of maturity and self-knowledge to assume the responsibility of a lifelong committed relationship with someone else. Some people have this by their early twenties; others reach it later in life; some never attain it.
* If everyone with resources approaches marriage and childbearing with a focus on the short-run financial penalties, the result is a society where most of the children are born to those who don't, often for factors related to low income. At the societal level, that is bad for economic mobility, inequality of income and wealth, and intergenerational wealth accumulation. This is part of the reason many European countries grappling with the demographic transition have mandated paternity leave, subsidized childcare, and baby bonuses, as well as making family planning services available without restriction.
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
Also, I have a semi girlfriend who lives in Raleigh, and now goes to college at Elon.
Moreover, I have tried SEVERAL dating apps, only to be grounded by my mother and father (due to the Simpsons, where Millhouse decides to have a "relationship" with a girl. ewww)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 02:59:16 PM
My wife experienced similar pressures growing up in a Hispanic household, especially from her Grand Mother. I'm to understand from my wife that not having children early in adulthood is often heavily frowned upon in her family.
Then again, my wife's family actively tried to discourage her from college and home ownership due to gender roles. I don't think it was malicious on their end given how she has more or less become the de facto matriarchal figure now for her family.
That's been my experience in Mexico too. A lot of girls drop out of school before graduation in order to start a family. Whether that involves getting married and settling down or a series of drunken one-night stands is more, ummm... variable. And if a young lady hasn't started a family by the time she's twenty years old or so, then the rest of family starts to panic.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 02:59:16 PM
Growing up I faced a lot of family borne pressure to carry on my last name from my Dad and Grandpa.
Our best friend is from a family with two sons, and we're friends with both couples. Until this last year, they had six daughters and zero sons between the two couples. Then a boy came this last year. I'm not saying there was any pressure, but I'm sure the "end of the family name" must have crossed everyone's mind at some point.
Naturally waking up 15-30 minutes earlier than your alarm.
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 03:12:25 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 02:59:16 PM
My wife experienced similar pressures growing up in a Hispanic household, especially from her Grand Mother. I'm to understand from my wife that not having children early in adulthood is often heavily frowned upon in her family.
Then again, my wife's family actively tried to discourage her from college and home ownership due to gender roles. I don't think it was malicious on their end given how she has more or less become the de facto matriarchal figure now for her family.
That's been my experience in Mexico too. A lot of girls drop out of school before graduation in order to start a family. Whether that involves getting married and settling down or a series of drunken one-night stands is more, ummm... variable. And if a young lady hasn't started a family by the time she's twenty years old or so, then the rest of family starts to panic.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 02:59:16 PM
Growing up I faced a lot of family borne pressure to carry on my last name from my Dad and Grandpa.
Our best friend is from a family with two sons, and we're friends with both couples. Until this last year, they had six daughters and zero sons between the two couples. Then a boy came this last year. I'm not saying there was any pressure, but I'm sure the "end of the family name" must have crossed everyone's mind at some point.
Regarding my wife, a lot of families tended to operate in Firebaugh and the California farm towns like they did in Mexico. Now that some of her younger female cousins are hitting adulthood they are also opting to not immediately start families either. One got a bunch of shit about enlisting in the Air Force and another became the family accountant post college.
Regarding my own family, my sister has a son but my brother who is 47 has two daughters. They both have independently asked me if I was concerned the family name was going to die out if I didn't have kids. My answer of "no" amused my sister but horrified my brother. My brother is very much like my father in a great many ways, his response was not unexpected.
Quote from: formulanone on May 04, 2022, 03:43:58 PM
Naturally waking up 15-30 minutes earlier than your alarm.
That's overrated, in my opinion. Invariably, I unsuccessfully try to go back to sleep, tossing and turning, until I end up with a tension headache later that day.
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on May 04, 2022, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AMBut that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
I have sympathies on both sides of this issue. A few things to consider:
* Fertility is not guaranteed for anyone, at any age. I have a shirttail relative who tried multiple rounds of IVF in her late thirties, only to discover she has a medical condition that prevents an embryo from implanting in the uterus. She and her husband ended up adopting two babies from overseas, one from Kazakhstan and the other from Russia.
* Good relationships are as much founded on consciously building emotional intimacy as they are on choosing a compatible mate. This is one reason (though perhaps not the main reason) app-based dating is considered such a disaster--the endless search for best fit ends up blocking relationship formation.
* Being single has its disadvantages, but beats being in a bad marriage hands down. When economists have used hedonic pricing methods to come up with dollars-and-cents estimates on the respective values of a good marriage, singledom, and a bad marriage, they have come up with annual income estimates of $100,000, zero, and the negative five figures.
* It takes a certain measure of maturity and self-knowledge to assume the responsibility of a lifelong committed relationship with someone else. Some people have this by their early twenties; others reach it later in life; some never attain it.
* If everyone with resources approaches marriage and childbearing with a focus on the short-run financial penalties, the result is a society where most of the children are born to those who don't, often for factors related to low income. At the societal level, that is bad for economic mobility, inequality of income and wealth, and intergenerational wealth accumulation. This is part of the reason many European countries grappling with the demographic transition have mandated paternity leave, subsidized childcare, and baby bonuses, as well as making family planning services available without restriction.
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
Also, I have a semi girlfriend who lives in Raleigh, and now goes to college at Elon.
Moreover, I have tried SEVERAL dating apps, only to be grounded by my mother and father (due to the Simpsons, where Millhouse decides to have a "relationship" with a girl. ewww)
I'm beginning to think you're an AI bot.
It's funny hearing all this talk about keeping the family name alive. Part of why I feel the way I do about children is because (1) I'm an only child, so it's me or no one, and (2) my extended family overall is small, and while that can be nice sometimes, I also would prefer to have more people around for a change. For holiday gatherings and celebrations, but also just daily home life. There's other reasons too, but those are the most relevant here.
Quote from: formulanone on May 04, 2022, 03:43:58 PM
Naturally waking up 15-30 minutes earlier than your alarm.
Sometimes it's nice. Other times, it feels like I'm leaving money on the table. It sure beats waking up late.
Quote from: Rothman on May 04, 2022, 04:12:57 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on May 04, 2022, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AMBut that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
I have sympathies on both sides of this issue. A few things to consider:
* Fertility is not guaranteed for anyone, at any age. I have a shirttail relative who tried multiple rounds of IVF in her late thirties, only to discover she has a medical condition that prevents an embryo from implanting in the uterus. She and her husband ended up adopting two babies from overseas, one from Kazakhstan and the other from Russia.
* Good relationships are as much founded on consciously building emotional intimacy as they are on choosing a compatible mate. This is one reason (though perhaps not the main reason) app-based dating is considered such a disaster--the endless search for best fit ends up blocking relationship formation.
* Being single has its disadvantages, but beats being in a bad marriage hands down. When economists have used hedonic pricing methods to come up with dollars-and-cents estimates on the respective values of a good marriage, singledom, and a bad marriage, they have come up with annual income estimates of $100,000, zero, and the negative five figures.
* It takes a certain measure of maturity and self-knowledge to assume the responsibility of a lifelong committed relationship with someone else. Some people have this by their early twenties; others reach it later in life; some never attain it.
* If everyone with resources approaches marriage and childbearing with a focus on the short-run financial penalties, the result is a society where most of the children are born to those who don't, often for factors related to low income. At the societal level, that is bad for economic mobility, inequality of income and wealth, and intergenerational wealth accumulation. This is part of the reason many European countries grappling with the demographic transition have mandated paternity leave, subsidized childcare, and baby bonuses, as well as making family planning services available without restriction.
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
Also, I have a semi girlfriend who lives in Raleigh, and now goes to college at Elon.
Moreover, I have tried SEVERAL dating apps, only to be grounded by my mother and father (due to the Simpsons, where Millhouse decides to have a "relationship" with a girl. ewww)
I'm beginning to think you're an AI bot.
Given Raleigh is involved I was tempted to ask if the GF is Mary Hannah.
Quote from: Rothman on May 04, 2022, 04:12:57 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on May 04, 2022, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AMBut that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
I have sympathies on both sides of this issue. A few things to consider:
* Fertility is not guaranteed for anyone, at any age. I have a shirttail relative who tried multiple rounds of IVF in her late thirties, only to discover she has a medical condition that prevents an embryo from implanting in the uterus. She and her husband ended up adopting two babies from overseas, one from Kazakhstan and the other from Russia.
* Good relationships are as much founded on consciously building emotional intimacy as they are on choosing a compatible mate. This is one reason (though perhaps not the main reason) app-based dating is considered such a disaster--the endless search for best fit ends up blocking relationship formation.
* Being single has its disadvantages, but beats being in a bad marriage hands down. When economists have used hedonic pricing methods to come up with dollars-and-cents estimates on the respective values of a good marriage, singledom, and a bad marriage, they have come up with annual income estimates of $100,000, zero, and the negative five figures.
* It takes a certain measure of maturity and self-knowledge to assume the responsibility of a lifelong committed relationship with someone else. Some people have this by their early twenties; others reach it later in life; some never attain it.
* If everyone with resources approaches marriage and childbearing with a focus on the short-run financial penalties, the result is a society where most of the children are born to those who don't, often for factors related to low income. At the societal level, that is bad for economic mobility, inequality of income and wealth, and intergenerational wealth accumulation. This is part of the reason many European countries grappling with the demographic transition have mandated paternity leave, subsidized childcare, and baby bonuses, as well as making family planning services available without restriction.
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
Also, I have a semi girlfriend who lives in Raleigh, and now goes to college at Elon.
Moreover, I have tried SEVERAL dating apps, only to be grounded by my mother and father (due to the Simpsons, where Millhouse decides to have a "relationship" with a girl. ewww)
I'm beginning to think you're an AI bot.
I've tuned him out and it's working quite well so far.
You guys mean to say that you weren't sitting at the edge your seat about a house destroyed by a siding issue?
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 04, 2022, 04:20:16 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 04, 2022, 04:12:57 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on May 04, 2022, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AMBut that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
I have sympathies on both sides of this issue. A few things to consider:
* Fertility is not guaranteed for anyone, at any age. I have a shirttail relative who tried multiple rounds of IVF in her late thirties, only to discover she has a medical condition that prevents an embryo from implanting in the uterus. She and her husband ended up adopting two babies from overseas, one from Kazakhstan and the other from Russia.
* Good relationships are as much founded on consciously building emotional intimacy as they are on choosing a compatible mate. This is one reason (though perhaps not the main reason) app-based dating is considered such a disaster--the endless search for best fit ends up blocking relationship formation.
* Being single has its disadvantages, but beats being in a bad marriage hands down. When economists have used hedonic pricing methods to come up with dollars-and-cents estimates on the respective values of a good marriage, singledom, and a bad marriage, they have come up with annual income estimates of $100,000, zero, and the negative five figures.
* It takes a certain measure of maturity and self-knowledge to assume the responsibility of a lifelong committed relationship with someone else. Some people have this by their early twenties; others reach it later in life; some never attain it.
* If everyone with resources approaches marriage and childbearing with a focus on the short-run financial penalties, the result is a society where most of the children are born to those who don't, often for factors related to low income. At the societal level, that is bad for economic mobility, inequality of income and wealth, and intergenerational wealth accumulation. This is part of the reason many European countries grappling with the demographic transition have mandated paternity leave, subsidized childcare, and baby bonuses, as well as making family planning services available without restriction.
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
Also, I have a semi girlfriend who lives in Raleigh, and now goes to college at Elon.
Moreover, I have tried SEVERAL dating apps, only to be grounded by my mother and father (due to the Simpsons, where Millhouse decides to have a "relationship" with a girl. ewww)
I'm beginning to think you're an AI bot.
I've tuned him out and it's working quite well so far.
Eh, it's more fun to tune in. The diction can be amazingly random.
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
You just read that |snowc| thinks babies grow inside one's stomach.
^^^
Maybe she's just hiding Cinnabons under her work shirt?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
I guess you weren't in the know that snowc's dentist was 36 weeks pregnant today from multiple IVF treatments over the past two years. :colorful:
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
You just read that |snowc| thinks babies grow inside one's stomach.
Pee is stored in the balls.
So, would the Santa Clause qualify as a horror movie based off what snowc said? When you think about it the concept the Santa Clause is pretty horrific. Tim Allen unknowingly signs a contract with stipulations that he become a morbidly obese immortal man who must deliver presents to the entire world. Rather than his loved ones rally to help, Tim Allen is deemed insane and they actively try to take his son from him. No matter how much Tim Allen fights against the horrific changes, he is doomed to become Santa...forever...
Until the Escape Clause and time travel...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 04:54:57 PM
So, would the Santa Clause qualify as a horror movie based off what snowc said? When you think about it the concept the Santa Clause is pretty horrific. Tim Allen unknowingly signs a contract with stipulations that he become a morbidly obese immortal man who must deliver presents to the entire world. No matter how much Tim Allen fights against the horrific changes to his body, he is doomed to become Santa...forever...
Until the Escape Clause and time travel...
One would think the more obvious movie to ask that question about would be
Junior
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
Dunno, but I read it and now I smell burnt toast.
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 04, 2022, 03:43:58 PM
Naturally waking up 15-30 minutes earlier than your alarm.
That's overrated, in my opinion. Invariably, I unsuccessfully try to go back to sleep, tossing and turning, until I end up with a tension headache later that day.
See, I've just learned to stop trying to go back to sleep over a decade ago, and just enjoy a few more minutes to take care of stuff, or ease into my mornings (posting on AARoads,
frigzample). I don't really get any feeling of real rest from trying to tack on 5-30 minutes (some (https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2019/03/08/is-hitting-the-snooze-button-bad-for-your-health/) back-up (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22734577/) on this (https://www.houstonmethodist.org/blog/articles/2021/dec/does-hitting-the-snooze-button-help-or-hurt/)). I'm almost always more energized to start the average work day naturally, than if jolted up by an alarm.
So to me...it's underrated, as society seems to push the idea of "sleeping in" or hitting snooze as something useful, and that somehow "losing" 15 minutes of sleep
that your body didn't even need is some sort of waste.
Now getting a 15-20 minute mid-day nap, that's different. It usually recharges my batteries and clears the mind's cache, if you will.
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 04, 2022, 04:57:47 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
Dunno, but I read it and now I smell burnt toast.
That was a fuse popping.
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 04, 2022, 04:56:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 04:54:57 PM
So, would the Santa Clause qualify as a horror movie based off what snowc said? When you think about it the concept the Santa Clause is pretty horrific. Tim Allen unknowingly signs a contract with stipulations that he become a morbidly obese immortal man who must deliver presents to the entire world. No matter how much Tim Allen fights against the horrific changes to his body, he is doomed to become Santa...forever...
Until the Escape Clause and time travel...
One would think the more obvious movie to ask that question about would be Junior
Yes, this scene in particular was next level horrific:
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
You just read that |snowc| thinks babies grow inside one's stomach.
Please. The correct term is "tummy."
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 02:59:16 PM
Another consideration I don't know if I articulated above is the desire to have children or not. To me that was never really something that I've considered personal "manifest destiny." Even now I'm more or less take it or leave regarding having children. If we have one child (emphasis we only want one) that's great, but it wouldn't be the end of the world (for me and my wife) if we didn't.
Growing up I faced a lot of family borne pressure to carry on my last name from my Dad and Grandpa. If anything that pressure kind of soured the prospect of having children, because it was something they wanted for themselves from me and not really so much something they wanted for me. My wife experienced similar pressures growing up in a Hispanic household, especially from her Grand Mother. I'm to understand from my wife that not having children early in adulthood is often heavily frowned upon in her family.
Then again, my wife's family actively tried to discourage her from college and home ownership due to gender roles. I don't think it was malicious on their end given how she has more or less become the de facto matriarchal figure now for her family.
I took things very slowly with my girlfriend for the first few months because her dating site profile said she was interested in having children, and I'm pretty adamant about not wanting any. Eventually the question came up from her end and she said she'd changed her mind over the past few years and didn't want any. My parents support my decision, and her sister has a son who will carry on the family name if need be (and to be fair, it's a very common name anyway).
Quote from: Rothman on May 04, 2022, 04:12:57 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on May 04, 2022, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AMBut that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
I have sympathies on both sides of this issue. A few things to consider:
* Fertility is not guaranteed for anyone, at any age. I have a shirttail relative who tried multiple rounds of IVF in her late thirties, only to discover she has a medical condition that prevents an embryo from implanting in the uterus. She and her husband ended up adopting two babies from overseas, one from Kazakhstan and the other from Russia.
* Good relationships are as much founded on consciously building emotional intimacy as they are on choosing a compatible mate. This is one reason (though perhaps not the main reason) app-based dating is considered such a disaster--the endless search for best fit ends up blocking relationship formation.
* Being single has its disadvantages, but beats being in a bad marriage hands down. When economists have used hedonic pricing methods to come up with dollars-and-cents estimates on the respective values of a good marriage, singledom, and a bad marriage, they have come up with annual income estimates of $100,000, zero, and the negative five figures.
* It takes a certain measure of maturity and self-knowledge to assume the responsibility of a lifelong committed relationship with someone else. Some people have this by their early twenties; others reach it later in life; some never attain it.
* If everyone with resources approaches marriage and childbearing with a focus on the short-run financial penalties, the result is a society where most of the children are born to those who don't, often for factors related to low income. At the societal level, that is bad for economic mobility, inequality of income and wealth, and intergenerational wealth accumulation. This is part of the reason many European countries grappling with the demographic transition have mandated paternity leave, subsidized childcare, and baby bonuses, as well as making family planning services available without restriction.
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
Also, I have a semi girlfriend who lives in Raleigh, and now goes to college at Elon.
Moreover, I have tried SEVERAL dating apps, only to be grounded by my mother and father (due to the Simpsons, where Millhouse decides to have a "relationship" with a girl. ewww)
I'm beginning to think you're an AI bot.
Im not. I'm a real human being.
Quote from: Takumi on May 04, 2022, 05:54:11 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 02:59:16 PM
Another consideration I don't know if I articulated above is the desire to have children or not. To me that was never really something that I've considered personal "manifest destiny." Even now I'm more or less take it or leave regarding having children. If we have one child (emphasis we only want one) that's great, but it wouldn't be the end of the world (for me and my wife) if we didn't.
Growing up I faced a lot of family borne pressure to carry on my last name from my Dad and Grandpa. If anything that pressure kind of soured the prospect of having children, because it was something they wanted for themselves from me and not really so much something they wanted for me. My wife experienced similar pressures growing up in a Hispanic household, especially from her Grand Mother. I'm to understand from my wife that not having children early in adulthood is often heavily frowned upon in her family.
Then again, my wife's family actively tried to discourage her from college and home ownership due to gender roles. I don't think it was malicious on their end given how she has more or less become the de facto matriarchal figure now for her family.
I took things very slowly with my girlfriend for the first few months because her dating site profile said she was interested in having children, and I'm pretty adamant about not wanting any. Eventually the question came up from her end and she said she'd changed her mind over the past few years and didn't want any. My parents support my decision, and her sister has a son who will carry on the family name if need be (and to be fair, it's a very common name anyway).
My last name on the surface is kind of distinct until you get to West Virginia and Maryland where it is fairly common.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 04:35:08 PM
^^^
Maybe she's just hiding Cinnabons under her work shirt?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
I guess you weren't in the know that snowc's dentist was 36 weeks pregnant today from multiple IVF treatments over the past two years. :colorful:
You made me laugh. Cinnabons are not under her shirt, its really true!
Look up Morgan B Moore DDS on Facebook, she's got a real stomach!
https://www.facebook.com/morganbmooredmd/ (https://www.facebook.com/morganbmooredmd/)
https://www.facebook.com/morgan.barnes.395 (https://www.facebook.com/morgan.barnes.395)
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Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
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Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:12 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 10:55:36 AMBut that's just the thing, having children would be an expense most people would be wise to consider beforehand. Really until recently I wouldn't have thought that I could have afforded a child and continued to live my accustomed financially comfortable life. That's finally changed, hence the reason my wife and I are trying for less pragmatic reasons. Problem is now that we are both about 40, so all bets are off. Really I'm okay either way if it does/doesn't happen.
I agree. Financial situations absolutely impact the ability to have children, there's no question about it. But considering ease of having children decreases over time from a biological perspective, it's better to try sooner, and adjust to the changes as needed. If it means sacrificing more for the child instead of comfortably spending it on myself, I'd like to say I would choose the former.
I'm only 21, unmarried and childless. So I know I've got a life to live ahead of me which will definitely affect my opinions on that over time.
I have sympathies on both sides of this issue. A few things to consider:
* Fertility is not guaranteed for anyone, at any age. I have a shirttail relative who tried multiple rounds of IVF in her late thirties, only to discover she has a medical condition that prevents an embryo from implanting in the uterus. She and her husband ended up adopting two babies from overseas, one from Kazakhstan and the other from Russia.
* Good relationships are as much founded on consciously building emotional intimacy as they are on choosing a compatible mate. This is one reason (though perhaps not the main reason) app-based dating is considered such a disaster--the endless search for best fit ends up blocking relationship formation.
* Being single has its disadvantages, but beats being in a bad marriage hands down. When economists have used hedonic pricing methods to come up with dollars-and-cents estimates on the respective values of a good marriage, singledom, and a bad marriage, they have come up with annual income estimates of $100,000, zero, and the negative five figures.
* It takes a certain measure of maturity and self-knowledge to assume the responsibility of a lifelong committed relationship with someone else. Some people have this by their early twenties; others reach it later in life; some never attain it.
* If everyone with resources approaches marriage and childbearing with a focus on the short-run financial penalties, the result is a society where most of the children are born to those who don't, often for factors related to low income. At the societal level, that is bad for economic mobility, inequality of income and wealth, and intergenerational wealth accumulation. This is part of the reason many European countries grappling with the demographic transition have mandated paternity leave, subsidized childcare, and baby bonuses, as well as making family planning services available without restriction.
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
Also, I have a semi girlfriend who lives in Raleigh, and now goes to college at Elon.
Moreover, I have tried SEVERAL dating apps, only to be grounded by my mother and father (due to the Simpsons, where Millhouse decides to have a "relationship" with a girl. ewww)
I'm beginning to think you're an AI bot.
Im not. I'm a real human being.
Just what an AI bot would say...
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
Cinnabons are not under her shirt
I'm a little disturbed that you can say that with such confidence about your dentist. I mean, sometimes they do lean over a bit while you're in the seat...
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 04:35:08 PM
^^^
Maybe she's just hiding Cinnabons under her work shirt?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
I guess you weren't in the know that snowc's dentist was 36 weeks pregnant today from multiple IVF treatments over the past two years. :colorful:
You made me laugh. Cinnabons are not under her shirt, its really true!
Look up Morgan B Moore DDS on Facebook, she's got a real stomach!
https://www.facebook.com/morganbmooredmd/ (https://www.facebook.com/morganbmooredmd/)
https://www.facebook.com/morgan.barnes.395 (https://www.facebook.com/morgan.barnes.395)
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Are you sure you aren't tolbs17 and this isn't Mary Hannah all over again?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 06:13:33 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 04:35:08 PM
^^^
Maybe she's just hiding Cinnabons under her work shirt?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
I guess you weren't in the know that snowc's dentist was 36 weeks pregnant today from multiple IVF treatments over the past two years. :colorful:
You made me laugh. Cinnabons are not under her shirt, its really true!
Look up Morgan B Moore DDS on Facebook, she's got a real stomach!
https://www.facebook.com/morganbmooredmd/ (https://www.facebook.com/morganbmooredmd/)
https://www.facebook.com/morgan.barnes.395 (https://www.facebook.com/morgan.barnes.395)
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Are you sure you aren't tolbs17 and this isn't Mary Hannah all over again?
Nope, Im the real snowc.
I am not mary hannah.
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 06:13:33 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 04:35:08 PM
^^^
Maybe she's just hiding Cinnabons under her work shirt?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
I guess you weren't in the know that snowc's dentist was 36 weeks pregnant today from multiple IVF treatments over the past two years. :colorful:
You made me laugh. Cinnabons are not under her shirt, its really true!
Look up Morgan B Moore DDS on Facebook, she's got a real stomach!
https://www.facebook.com/morganbmooredmd/ (https://www.facebook.com/morganbmooredmd/)
https://www.facebook.com/morgan.barnes.395 (https://www.facebook.com/morgan.barnes.395)
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Are you sure you aren't tolbs17 and this isn't Mary Hannah all over again?
Nope, Im the real snowc.
I am not mary hannah.
That's something the fake snowc or Mary Hannah would say.
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 06:13:33 PM
Are you sure you aren’t tolbs17 and this isn’t Mary Hannah all over again?
Nope, Im the real snowc.
I am not mary hannah.
I don't think anyone is accusing you of
being Mary Hannah...
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
Im not. I'm a real human being.
Just to be sure, could you tell me what this says?
(https://i.imgur.com/ilbjdU9.jpg)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 06:13:33 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2022, 04:35:08 PM
^^^
Maybe she's just hiding Cinnabons under her work shirt?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
My dentist is pregnant and had MULTIPLE rounds of IVF for the past 2 years. She eventually got pregnant in December, and now she has a big stomach (shes at 36 weeks today, for people who dont know)
I have a disorder in which I don't like to see people who have changed, such as pregnant people.
What the hell did I just read?
I guess you weren't in the know that snowc's dentist was 36 weeks pregnant today from multiple IVF treatments over the past two years. :colorful:
You made me laugh. Cinnabons are not under her shirt, its really true!
Look up Morgan B Moore DDS on Facebook, she's got a real stomach!
<redacting Facebook links since I don't think they're appropriate to propogate>
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Are you sure you aren't tolbs17 and this isn't Mary Hannah all over again?
The two North Carolina forum members you are implying ... have they ever been active at the same time? (Puts on tinfoil hat) Hmmm ... Verrrrry interesting ...
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2022, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
Cinnabons are not under her shirt
I'm a little disturbed that you can say that with such confidence about your dentist. I mean, sometimes they do lean over a bit while you're in the seat...
I...thought the Cinnabons were being hidden in the dentist's midriff area.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 04, 2022, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
Im not. I'm a real human being.
Just to be sure, could you tell me what this says?
(https://i.imgur.com/ilbjdU9.jpg)
Clearview is underrated, actually.
Quote from: Ned Weasel on May 04, 2022, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 04, 2022, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
Im not. I'm a real human being.
Just to be sure, could you tell me what this says?
(https://i.imgur.com/ilbjdU9.jpg)
Clearview is underrated, actually.
/me bans Ned Weasel for being a robot
Underrated: Internet forums. Social media sites have mostly killed them off. But in my opinion, none of them result in the same sense of community that forums like this often have, and forums have a certain charm to them (although that could just be my own nostalgia for forums).
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
she's got a real stomach!
'course she does. So do I and so do you. Wouldn't live very long without one.
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Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
she's got a real stomach!
'course she does. So do I and so do you. Wouldn't live very long without one.
Unless she's a robot, wouldn't need a real stomach then.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 04, 2022, 09:51:53 PM
Quote from: Ned Weasel on May 04, 2022, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 04, 2022, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
Im not. I'm a real human being.
Just to be sure, could you tell me what this says?
(https://i.imgur.com/ilbjdU9.jpg)
Clearview is underrated, actually.
/me bans Ned Weasel for being a robot
What happens when C3PO is doing a little bit of internet browsing and gets to that page that says I'm Not a Robot and you have to check a box? There is no other option, so does he sit there and cry?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 05, 2022, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 04, 2022, 09:51:53 PM
Quote from: Ned Weasel on May 04, 2022, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 04, 2022, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
Im not. I'm a real human being.
Just to be sure, could you tell me what this says?
(https://i.imgur.com/ilbjdU9.jpg)
Clearview is underrated, actually.
/me bans Ned Weasel for being a robot
What happens when C3PO is doing a little bit of internet browsing and gets to that page that says I'm Not a Robot and you have to check a box? There is no other option, so does he sit there and cry?
The question I have is how is C-3PO a Cyborg? He spouts on about Human-Cyborg relations all the time. Does he actually mean that he's a Droid (AKA Robot) that brokers relationships between Humans and Cyborgs?
The musical talent of Michael Jackson is underrated, instead being overshadowed by seemingly everything else about him.
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2022, 12:20:05 PMThe musical talent of Michael Jackson is underrated
Agreed
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2022, 12:20:05 PM, instead being overshadowed by seemingly everything else about him.
Unsure. Was the abuse he suffered as a child and teen the cause of all of his eccentricities, or just the pederasty?
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 05, 2022, 12:25:34 PM
Was the abuse he suffered as a child and teen the cause of all of his eccentricities, or just the pederasty?
Either way, that stuff is all people tend to think about when it comes to Michael Jackson–ergo, it overshadows his musical genius.
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2022, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 05, 2022, 12:25:34 PM
Was the abuse he suffered as a child and teen the cause of all of his eccentricities, or just the pederasty?
Either way, that stuff is all people tend to think about when it comes to Michael Jackson–ergo, it overshadows his musical genius.
Micheal Jackson is by far the most common artist on my music playlist. The guy was absolutely a phenomenal musician.
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2022, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 05, 2022, 12:25:34 PM
Was the abuse he suffered as a child and teen the cause of all of his eccentricities, or just the pederasty?
Either way, that stuff is all people tend to think about when it comes to Michael Jackson–ergo, it overshadows his musical genius.
I don't know. It seems like, to me, once he died, all of the bad stuff about him was quietly forgotten and now he's just celebrated for his music. Or at least, that's the impression that I get from the local radio station (they played him a lot less after the
The separation, or lack thereof, between an artist and their work is a recurring question that comes up a lot these days. That is, should we enjoy and celebrate the creative works of terrible people? After all, any artist puts some part of themselves into any creative work they do. That being said, in the case of Michael Jackson specifically, it's really hard to tell to what extent any of his personal vices influenced the work. Nothing about "Thriller" really keys you in on what sort of person Michael Jackson was. That's not true for someone like, e.g., J.K. Rowling, whose personal beliefs are in her work plain as day if you know to look for them while reading.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 05, 2022, 04:09:27 PMThat is, should we enjoy and celebrate the creative works of terrible people? After all, any artist puts some part of themselves into any creative work they do. That being said, in the case of Michael Jackson specifically, it's really hard to tell to what extent any of his personal vices influenced the work. Nothing about "Thriller" really keys you in on what sort of person Michael Jackson was. That's not true for someone like, e.g., J.K. Rowling, whose personal beliefs are in her work plain as day if you know to look for them while reading.
Of course, Rowling's most rabid fans will tell you that they AREN'T plain as day, and if she intended for the Gringotts to be Jews, then she would have stated as such.
But the answer is, of course, "it depends." Were they terrible by the standards of their time, or ours? Were their works also terrible? I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to works that haven't aged well, but if you get up on stage tonight and yell racial slurs, then you don't get to cast yourself as the victim of a lynch mob when people call you out.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 05, 2022, 04:09:27 PM
That being said, in the case of Michael Jackson specifically, it's really hard to tell to what extent any of his personal vices influenced the work. Nothing about "Thriller" really keys you in on what sort of person Michael Jackson was.
PYT ;)
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 05, 2022, 04:31:50 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 05, 2022, 04:09:27 PM
That being said, in the case of Michael Jackson specifically, it's really hard to tell to what extent any of his personal vices influenced the work. Nothing about "Thriller" really keys you in on what sort of person Michael Jackson was.
PYT ;)
Point taken, although if the song existed in a vacuum and I knew nothing else about Michael Jackson besides that one song, I'd just assume he was referring to a younger girl who was nevertheless old enough for the singer to be hitting on her. And it does explicitly say the object of his affections is a
girl.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 05, 2022, 04:31:50 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 05, 2022, 04:09:27 PM
That being said, in the case of Michael Jackson specifically, it's really hard to tell to what extent any of his personal vices influenced the work. Nothing about "Thriller" really keys you in on what sort of person Michael Jackson was.
PYT ;)
Which is exactly why it's important to look at works in the context of the time period when they were written. The list of songs that glorify men having sex with teenage girls is as long as my arm, yet no one suspects Ringo Starr or Benny Mardones of pedophilia.
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 05, 2022, 04:24:12 PM
I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to works that haven't aged well, but if you get up on stage tonight and yell racial slurs, then you don't get to cast yourself as the victim of a lynch mob when people call you out.
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 05, 2022, 04:42:23 PM
Which is exactly why it's important to look at works in the context of the time period when they were written.
Well there you go, being all reasonable and stuff... :cheers:
Quote from: bm7 on May 05, 2022, 12:10:52 AM
Underrated: Internet forums. Social media sites have mostly killed them off. But in my opinion, none of them result in the same sense of community that forums like this often have, and forums have a certain charm to them (although that could just be my own nostalgia for forums).
I completely agree. I've written about this before, but forums like this one are miles better then using something like Reddit. I'm not saying the Reddit formula is inherently bad. But a traditional forum on its own domain with full control (for better or for worse) and the ability to make boards and sub-boards, you can't beat it.
It's also a lot less snarky and toxic than social media sites.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2022, 11:42:28 PM
It's also a lot less snarky ...
That's just because HB and I will never become mods.
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Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2022, 11:42:28 PM
It's also a lot less snarky ...
That's just because HB and I will never become mods.
I'm not sure we're working off of a common definition of "snarky."
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 06, 2022, 10:09:55 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 06, 2022, 09:47:17 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2022, 11:42:28 PM
It's also a lot less snarky ...
That's just because HB and I will never become mods.
I'm not sure we're working off of a common definition of "snarky."
Snarky may have been a poor word choice. We all know how people act on Twitter or Reddit versus how they act on here. And even if it's similar, the vibe here is still different. It's like friendly banter compared to a vicious argument where you don't care about your dignity or the other individual. Only winning the argument.
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 06, 2022, 10:09:55 AM
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Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2022, 11:42:28 PM
It's also a lot less snarky ...
That's just because HB and I will never become mods.
I'm not sure we're working off of a common definition of "snarky."
1. I doubt anyone would argue that I can be snarky.
2. Didn't HB's profile use to say 'master of snark' or something similar?
Quote from: kphoger on May 06, 2022, 10:13:35 AM
2. Didn't HB's profile use to say 'master of snark' or something similar?
It's US71, and it's still there.
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Quote from: kphoger on May 06, 2022, 10:13:35 AM
2. Didn't HB's profile use to say 'master of snark' or something similar?
It's US71, and it's still there.
Ah, wrong guy. Thanks!
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 06, 2022, 10:13:09 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 06, 2022, 10:09:55 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 06, 2022, 09:47:17 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2022, 11:42:28 PM
It's also a lot less snarky ...
That's just because HB and I will never become mods.
I'm not sure we're working off of a common definition of "snarky."
Snarky may have been a poor word choice. We all know how people act on Twitter or Reddit versus how they act on here. And even if it's similar, the vibe here is still different. It's like friendly banter compared to a vicious argument where you don't care about your dignity or the other individual. Only winning the argument.
Oh. Yeah, people have been jerks online since the bulletin board days, so that part isn't new. But the fact that people will say the things they say on social media, and using their legal name when saying it, still blows my mind.
You are correct about Internet forums being more of a community than any social media platform. The closest thing I've seen to that is the group Messenger chat I have with the others who are also mods/admins of a tag group, and we occasionally discuss things other than moderating the group.
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2022, 12:20:05 PM
The musical talent of Michael Jackson is underrated, instead being overshadowed by seemingly everything else about him.
Agreed, too. Yes, if one overlooks his weirdities, he was pretty good. Ditto his serious rival Prince.
Mike
80's glam/hair metal bands.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 05, 2022, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2022, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 05, 2022, 12:25:34 PM
Was the abuse he suffered as a child and teen the cause of all of his eccentricities, or just the pederasty?
Either way, that stuff is all people tend to think about when it comes to Michael Jackson–ergo, it overshadows his musical genius.
I don't know. It seems like, to me, once he died, all of the bad stuff about him was quietly forgotten and now he's just celebrated for his music. Or at least, that's the impression that I get from the local radio station (they played him a lot less after the
The separation, or lack thereof, between an artist and their work is a recurring question that comes up a lot these days. That is, should we enjoy and celebrate the creative works of terrible people? After all, any artist puts some part of themselves into any creative work they do. That being said, in the case of Michael Jackson specifically, it's really hard to tell to what extent any of his personal vices influenced the work. Nothing about "Thriller" really keys you in on what sort of person Michael Jackson was. That's not true for someone like, e.g., J.K. Rowling, whose personal beliefs are in her work plain as day if you know to look for them while reading.
It's kind of strange how the opposite has seemed to happen with John Lennon - the generations who grew up with the Beatles or were emotionally affected by his murder think of him as a genius, an advocate for peace, etc., while the generations who have grown up without him (especially zoomers) have wondered "why the fuck do we overlook what an asshole he was to women?"
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 07, 2022, 10:26:04 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 05, 2022, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2022, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 05, 2022, 12:25:34 PM
Was the abuse he suffered as a child and teen the cause of all of his eccentricities, or just the pederasty?
Either way, that stuff is all people tend to think about when it comes to Michael Jackson–ergo, it overshadows his musical genius.
I don't know. It seems like, to me, once he died, all of the bad stuff about him was quietly forgotten and now he's just celebrated for his music. Or at least, that's the impression that I get from the local radio station (they played him a lot less after the
The separation, or lack thereof, between an artist and their work is a recurring question that comes up a lot these days. That is, should we enjoy and celebrate the creative works of terrible people? After all, any artist puts some part of themselves into any creative work they do. That being said, in the case of Michael Jackson specifically, it's really hard to tell to what extent any of his personal vices influenced the work. Nothing about "Thriller" really keys you in on what sort of person Michael Jackson was. That's not true for someone like, e.g., J.K. Rowling, whose personal beliefs are in her work plain as day if you know to look for them while reading.
It's kind of strange how the opposite has seemed to happen with John Lennon - the generations who grew up with the Beatles or were emotionally affected by his murder think of him as a genius, an advocate for peace, etc., while the generations who have grown up without him (especially zoomers) have wondered "why the fuck do we overlook what an asshole he was to women?"
Well, he got his. He ended up married to Mabel. :bigass:
(...is reminded to post "The Beatles" in the "overrated thread...
Quote from: hbelkins on May 08, 2022, 04:39:17 PM
(...is reminded to post "The Beatles" in the "overrated thread...
You did, a whopping 5 posts into that thread.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2022, 11:29:46 AM
The Beatles
I mean, your dislike of the Beatles is hardly a unique thing, though.
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Quote from: hbelkins on May 08, 2022, 04:39:17 PM
(...is reminded to post "The Beatles" in the "overrated thread...
You did, a whopping 5 posts into that thread.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2022, 11:29:46 AM
The Beatles
I mean, your dislike of the Beatles is hardly a unique thing, though.
Not saying I dislike them. Just saying I don't like them and don't get the rabid fandom. I always preferred the Stones.
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Quote from: hbelkins on May 08, 2022, 04:39:17 PM
(...is reminded to post "The Beatles" in the "overrated thread...
You did, a whopping 5 posts into that thread.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2022, 11:29:46 AM
The Beatles
I mean, your dislike of the Beatles is hardly a unique thing, though.
Not saying I dislike them. Just saying I don't like them and don't get the rabid fandom. I always preferred the Stones.
And other people having rabid fandoms for things you don't is hardly unique either.
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(...is reminded to post "The Beatles" in the "overrated thread...
You did, a whopping 5 posts into that thread.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2022, 11:29:46 AM
The Beatles
I mean, your dislike of the Beatles is hardly a unique thing, though.
Not saying I dislike them. Just saying I don't like them and don't get the rabid fandom. I always preferred the Stones.
And other people having rabid fandoms for things you don't is hardly unique either.
I love the Beatles and am a huge fan, but even I don't understand why women would pay money to see them to scream the whole time and eventually pass out.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 09, 2022, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 09, 2022, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 09, 2022, 11:17:18 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 08, 2022, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 08, 2022, 04:39:17 PM
(...is reminded to post "The Beatles" in the "overrated thread...
You did, a whopping 5 posts into that thread.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2022, 11:29:46 AM
The Beatles
I mean, your dislike of the Beatles is hardly a unique thing, though.
Not saying I dislike them. Just saying I don't like them and don't get the rabid fandom. I always preferred the Stones.
And other people having rabid fandoms for things you don't is hardly unique either.
I love the Beatles and am a huge fan, but even I don't understand why women would pay money to see them to scream the whole time and eventually pass out.
Before K-Pop, there was UK-Pop
Quote from: kurumi on May 09, 2022, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 09, 2022, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 09, 2022, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 09, 2022, 11:17:18 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 08, 2022, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 08, 2022, 04:39:17 PM
(...is reminded to post "The Beatles" in the "overrated thread...
You did, a whopping 5 posts into that thread.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2022, 11:29:46 AM
The Beatles
I mean, your dislike of the Beatles is hardly a unique thing, though.
Not saying I dislike them. Just saying I don't like them and don't get the rabid fandom. I always preferred the Stones.
And other people having rabid fandoms for things you don't is hardly unique either.
I love the Beatles and am a huge fan, but even I don't understand why women would pay money to see them to scream the whole time and eventually pass out.
Before K-Pop, there was UK-Pop
I am up too late and somehow went off on a mental tangent to British Ska.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 09, 2022, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 09, 2022, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 09, 2022, 11:17:18 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 08, 2022, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 08, 2022, 04:39:17 PM
(...is reminded to post "The Beatles" in the "overrated thread...
You did, a whopping 5 posts into that thread.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2022, 11:29:46 AM
The Beatles
I mean, your dislike of the Beatles is hardly a unique thing, though.
Not saying I dislike them. Just saying I don't like them and don't get the rabid fandom. I always preferred the Stones.
And other people having rabid fandoms for things you don't is hardly unique either.
I love the Beatles and am a huge fan, but even I don't understand why women would pay money to see them to scream the whole time and eventually pass out.
A book I read about them included a quotation from some girl who said, "We didn't pay $5.75 for nothing. We can listen to the records at home."
Quote from: US 89 on May 04, 2022, 10:32:22 AM
The 2FA service we use allows you to either use their app (smartphone required), or they call you and you pick up and push 1 (dumbphone required), or you can use a single-use pre-generated passcode (no phone required). I have like six of those backup codes written down on a sticky note so that I can get in if my phone dies. Seems like something of that sort should be an option for you.
The app I use for my work to see how much tip money has been sent to my bank requires a 14-char password, and the 2FA. We're not protecting nuclear codes here, and I don't care if some 12-year-old russian could see how much money I made.
Plus, with the iffy cell signal where I live, I can't always get the code.
Ned Beatty
Since a conversation in the overrated thread is going on about Florida, I'll nominate Minnesota for underrated. It's a pretty nice place to live.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 10, 2022, 04:02:21 PM
Since a conversation in the overrated thread is going on about Florida, I'll nominate Minnesota for underrated. It's a pretty nice place to live.
I don't know. Given how North Shore hotels sell out in January now, MN has definitely been discovered, unfortunately. 20 years ago, it was just locals clogging the parks up. Now it's the globe.
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 10, 2022, 04:02:21 PM
Since a conversation in the overrated thread is going on about Florida, I'll nominate Minnesota for underrated. It's a pretty nice place to live.
I don't know. Given how North Shore hotels sell out in January now, MN has definitely been discovered, unfortunately. 20 years ago, it was just locals clogging the parks up. Now it's the globe.
A couple things to note, though:
-Reduced capacity over the winter with many hotels/resorts outside Duluth closed/only open on weekends, and/or operating with fewer units available for rent (my normal haunt in Grand Marais I believe keeps about 1/5 of its summer capacity available in winter), so I don't know if demand has really soared as much as you're implying. I still find restaurants and any non-essential stores to be completely random in their winter schedules if they're even open at all, which to me suggests there's not that much sustained winter demand.
-COVID caused a huge spike in regional tourists on the North Shore as their normal or desired out-of-state destinations became inaccessible or inadvisable due to restrictions. We still have yet to see if people being able to return to national and international travel causes a return to pre-pandemic travel patterns, which this summer and next should be a good indicator of where those things stand.
But yes, I barely ever bother with Gooseberry Falls anymore. Unfortunately Visit Cook County also did a great job of getting people to start driving past Split Rock more often.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 10, 2022, 11:50:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 10, 2022, 04:02:21 PM
Since a conversation in the overrated thread is going on about Florida, I'll nominate Minnesota for underrated. It's a pretty nice place to live.
I don't know. Given how North Shore hotels sell out in January now, MN has definitely been discovered, unfortunately. 20 years ago, it was just locals clogging the parks up. Now it's the globe.
A couple things to note, though:
-Reduced capacity over the winter with many hotels/resorts outside Duluth closed/only open on weekends, and/or operating with fewer units available for rent (my normal haunt in Grand Marais I believe keeps about 1/5 of its summer capacity available in winter), so I don't know if demand has really soared as much as you're implying. I still find restaurants and any non-essential stores to be completely random in their winter schedules if they're even open at all, which to me suggests there's not that much sustained winter demand.
-COVID caused a huge spike in regional tourists on the North Shore as their normal or desired out-of-state destinations became inaccessible or inadvisable due to restrictions. We still have yet to see if people being able to return to national and international travel causes a return to pre-pandemic travel patterns, which this summer and next should be a good indicator of where those things stand.
But yes, I barely ever bother with Gooseberry Falls anymore. Unfortunately Visit Cook County also did a great job of getting people to start driving past Split Rock more often.
All I was saying was that to get a hotel room on a weekend in the summer, you have to reserve very early on now. Chain hotels are all sold out now in Duluth.
Quote from: Rothman on May 11, 2022, 12:12:31 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 10, 2022, 11:50:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 10, 2022, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 10, 2022, 04:02:21 PM
Since a conversation in the overrated thread is going on about Florida, I'll nominate Minnesota for underrated. It's a pretty nice place to live.
I don't know. Given how North Shore hotels sell out in January now, MN has definitely been discovered, unfortunately. 20 years ago, it was just locals clogging the parks up. Now it's the globe.
A couple things to note, though:
-Reduced capacity over the winter with many hotels/resorts outside Duluth closed/only open on weekends, and/or operating with fewer units available for rent (my normal haunt in Grand Marais I believe keeps about 1/5 of its summer capacity available in winter), so I don't know if demand has really soared as much as you're implying. I still find restaurants and any non-essential stores to be completely random in their winter schedules if they're even open at all, which to me suggests there's not that much sustained winter demand.
-COVID caused a huge spike in regional tourists on the North Shore as their normal or desired out-of-state destinations became inaccessible or inadvisable due to restrictions. We still have yet to see if people being able to return to national and international travel causes a return to pre-pandemic travel patterns, which this summer and next should be a good indicator of where those things stand.
But yes, I barely ever bother with Gooseberry Falls anymore. Unfortunately Visit Cook County also did a great job of getting people to start driving past Split Rock more often.
All I was saying was that to get a hotel room on a weekend in the summer, you have to reserve very early on now. Chain hotels are all sold out now in Duluth.
Oh, I misinterpreted your post. I read it as "North Shore hotels have no availability in January", not "you need to book in January for June and July".
Protected only left turns instead of protected/permissive left turns.
Quote from: Brandon on May 14, 2022, 08:01:46 PM
Protected only left turns instead of protected/permissive left turns.
In certain situations only, of course. If used right, they're good. There are arterials by me where I absolutely wish they were protected only. The risk of collisions due to exceptionally poor sightlines and high traffic volumes don't make the permissive aspect worth it.
Quote from: Brandon on May 14, 2022, 08:01:46 PM
Protected only left turns instead of protected/permissive left turns.
Wrong thread. They are overrated. WAAAY overrated.
I hate protected-only lefts, especially when I'm sitting at one and there's no traffic coming from the opposite direction and a left turn would be perfectly safe.
On the otherhand, there are some permissive-only left turns that really really need a protected left phase. Busy times of day you could be sitting there for 10 minutes waiting for a chance to turn, and too boxed in to move over to the straight lanes in order to make three right turns.
DDIs are underrated.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 16, 2022, 09:43:21 AM
DDIs are underrated.
I don't think they are, not because they're useless, but because they're highly regarded by innovative DOTs and therefore rated properly (well). They're just new enough that there aren't that many of them; quite a lot of new and reconfigured interchanges are DDIs.
I like DDIs because in general I find there is less time wasted sitting at red lights if you are going straight through on the road that has the crossovers. But what annoys me is that most DDIs I've used also have a traffic light for people coming off the ramps and they often have "No Turn on Red" signs (or red arrow equivalents). I suppose to some extent I can accept that traffic is coming from a different angle than people are used to, but on the other hand, you don't necessarily have to turn your head as far as you might at a conventional diamond. Maybe in the case of the DDI in Haymarket, Virginia, the big issue has to do with a lot of people wanting to change lanes immediately to make a left at the next light.
https://goo.gl/maps/RTd9HVqeJ7KpFoaE8
I suppose in the case of the one in Viera, Florida, it's because of the overpass walls limiting your view to the left. But they don't allow a left on red, either.
https://goo.gl/maps/9fTy7ncnZDPxiDtz7
(Off the top of my head I know of at least one DDI that doesn't restrict right turns on red–it's in Lumberton, North Carolina, which means lefts on red aren't allowed because North Carolina does not permit left on red in any instance.)
Protected lefts are great when you get full advantage of them, and suck when you missed yellow by 3 seconds.
Quote from: formulanone on May 16, 2022, 06:08:47 PM
Protected lefts are great when you get full advantage of them, and suck when you missed yellow by 3 seconds.
Or when the person in front of you slams on their brakes and stops on the yellow. Very few things on the road piss me off more than that.
Quote from: US 89 on May 16, 2022, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 16, 2022, 06:08:47 PM
Protected lefts are great when you get full advantage of them, and suck when you missed yellow by 3 seconds.
Or when the person in front of you slams on their brakes and stops on the yellow. Very few things on the road piss me off more than that.
That's required by law in some states.
Quote from: US 89 on May 16, 2022, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 16, 2022, 06:08:47 PM
Protected lefts are great when you get full advantage of them, and suck when you missed yellow by 3 seconds.
Or when the person in front of you slams on their brakes and stops on the yellow. Very few things on the road piss me off more than that.
I'm not risking a red-light camera ticket just to please you.
- Kolaches
- Any cherry version of a popular soda
- The Texas feeder road system
- Sonic Drive-In
Quote from: kphoger on May 17, 2022, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: US 89 on May 16, 2022, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 16, 2022, 06:08:47 PM
Protected lefts are great when you get full advantage of them, and suck when you missed yellow by 3 seconds.
Or when the person in front of you slams on their brakes and stops on the yellow. Very few things on the road piss me off more than that.
That's required by law in some states.
Not only that, there's no way to know how long a yellow light is. I may not be confident I can make it through the intersection on yellow (or, if sight lines are blocked, that there's even space for me on the cross street after I finish my turn).
Arby's curly fries.
Here's an outlook-related one - this pop up message:
(https://imgur.com/u4pArHO.jpg)
This comes in so handy so often for me... very underrated IMO.
Braums Dairy Stores :bigass:
Though they have only one dairy and 300 miles out is their limit for good reasons.
Quote from: webny99 on May 19, 2022, 09:23:25 PM
Arby's curly fries.
Apparently I was the only one left who still liked the potato cakes, since they got rid of them about a year ago.
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 20, 2022, 09:36:07 AM
Quote from: webny99 on May 19, 2022, 09:23:25 PM
Arby's curly fries.
Apparently I was the only one left who still liked the potato cakes, since they got rid of them about a year ago.
Nope, I loved them, and I'm disappointed they're gone.
Of course, that's probably
why they're gone. Whenever I start liking something, it seems, that thing gets discontinued. (This is especially true of new soda flavors.)
Quote from: kphoger on May 20, 2022, 09:42:56 AMWhenever I start liking something, it seems, that thing gets discontinued.
You should've seen the happy dance I did when Haagen-Dazs started making Midnight Cookies 'n' Cream again.
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 20, 2022, 10:02:00 AM
You should've seen the happy dance I did when Haagen-Dazs started making Midnight Cookies 'n' Cream again.
Every so often, I parse your screenname as
Abe Fro Man 329.
As in, you have an afro.
So, with that in mind...
(https://c.tenor.com/s-_RsPWx5W0AAAAM/afro-dance.gif)
Quote from: webny99 on May 20, 2022, 08:04:00 AM
Here's an outlook-related one - this pop up message:
(https://imgur.com/u4pArHO.jpg)
This comes in so handy so often for me... very underrated IMO.
I'd actually put that in the "minor things that bother you" thread. Most times I am intentionally NOT responding to the last message, but to an earlier one.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 20, 2022, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 20, 2022, 08:04:00 AM
Here's an outlook-related one - this pop up message:
(https://imgur.com/u4pArHO.jpg)
This comes in so handy so often for me... very underrated IMO.
I'd actually put that in the "minor things that bother you" thread. Most times I am intentionally NOT responding to the last message, but to an earlier one.
Same here.
Quote from: kphoger on May 20, 2022, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 20, 2022, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 20, 2022, 08:04:00 AM
Here's an outlook-related one - this pop up message:
(https://imgur.com/u4pArHO.jpg)
This comes in so handy so often for me... very underrated IMO.
I'd actually put that in the "minor things that bother you" thread. Most times I am intentionally NOT responding to the last message, but to an earlier one.
Same here.
I can't think of a great example, but I often use it to find more recent messages that I've moved into a folder so that I don't have to search a specific folder.
Quote from: kphoger on May 20, 2022, 09:42:56 AM
Of course, that's probably why they're gone. Whenever I start liking something, it seems, that thing gets discontinued. (This is especially true of new soda flavors.)
This happens to me with pizza. Every great pizza place in Oklahoma goes out of business right after I discover it:
- Sauced (Norman): closed
- Rodney's (Purcell): owner retired
- Sauced (Oklahoma City): same company as the Sauced in Norman; burned down
- Pryor's (Norman): closed during the pandemic, appears to have reopened in Goldsby of all places, but I haven't had the chance to go back
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 20, 2022, 05:24:11 PM
appears to have reopened in Goldsby of all places
The worst kind of irony!
Huaiyang cuisine
Similar to the Outlook message, the way this forum and some others notify you if someone else has posted since you began writing your reply when you click "Post". It can save a pointless response to a question that's already been answered, or allow you to update your response based on new information. Super helpful.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 26, 2022, 01:09:59 PM
Similar to the Outlook message, the way this forum and some others notify you if someone else has posted since you began writing your reply when you click "Post". It can save a pointless response to a question that's already been answered, or allow you to update your response based on new information. Super helpful.
Someone actually posted about that in the "minor things that bother you" thread recently. I like having it, but apparently it can be turned off if it really bothers someone.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 26, 2022, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 26, 2022, 01:09:59 PM
Similar to the Outlook message, the way this forum and some others notify you if someone else has posted since you began writing your reply when you click "Post". It can save a pointless response to a question that's already been answered, or allow you to update your response based on new information. Super helpful.
Someone actually posted about that in the "minor things that bother you" thread recently. I like having it, but apparently it can be turned off if it really bothers someone.
Really? In my experience, it's not that common to have that message come up. It's rare to post while someone else is around here. If it happened all the time, I would understand. I absolutely think it's worth having around.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 26, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 26, 2022, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 26, 2022, 01:09:59 PM
Similar to the Outlook message, the way this forum and some others notify you if someone else has posted since you began writing your reply when you click "Post". It can save a pointless response to a question that's already been answered, or allow you to update your response based on new information. Super helpful.
Someone actually posted about that in the "minor things that bother you" thread recently. I like having it, but apparently it can be turned off if it really bothers someone.
Really? In my experience, it's not that common to have that message come up. It's rare to post while someone else is around here. If it happened all the time, I would understand. I absolutely think it's worth having around.
I imagine how often you see it depends on how frequently you post and whether you tend to be on the forum during the peak evening hours. On a few occasions, I've gotten it multiple times on the same post.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 26, 2022, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 26, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 26, 2022, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 26, 2022, 01:09:59 PM
Similar to the Outlook message, the way this forum and some others notify you if someone else has posted since you began writing your reply when you click "Post". It can save a pointless response to a question that's already been answered, or allow you to update your response based on new information. Super helpful.
Someone actually posted about that in the "minor things that bother you" thread recently. I like having it, but apparently it can be turned off if it really bothers someone.
Really? In my experience, it's not that common to have that message come up. It's rare to post while someone else is around here. If it happened all the time, I would understand. I absolutely think it's worth having around.
I imagine how often you see it depends on how frequently you post and whether you tend to be on the forum during the peak evening hours. On a few occasions, I've gotten it multiple times on the same post.
Yes. I got it twice posting on the overrated thread earlier today. But it's not a big deal. I review my post if I want, or just hit enter again.
Time zones
Quote from: skluth on May 26, 2022, 08:13:14 PM
Time zones
Grandfather clocks as decorations, but not as ways to tell the time.
My parents have a wall-mounted grandfather clock. It looks nice, but it basically only ever showed the correct time when company was staying with us. Neither of my parents ever feel like winding it up.
Quote from: skluth on May 26, 2022, 08:13:14 PM
Time zones
Huh? Are people advocating their abolition?
Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 26, 2022, 08:13:14 PM
Time zones
Huh? Are people advocating their abolition?
mgk920 here (thread locked): https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31208.msg2718030#msg2718030
QuoteHeck, I wouldn't mind us going to worldwide UTC ('Zulu'/Military) time instead and adjust our personal schedules accordingly. No semi-annual clock changes, everyone yells "Happy new year!" at the same time and no time zone confusions. Instead of it now being 1:20pm (1320) Central Daylight Time (UTC -5) as I post this, it would be 1820Z.
:nod:
Mike
Quote from: 1 on May 26, 2022, 09:00:46 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 26, 2022, 08:13:14 PM
Time zones
Huh? Are people advocating their abolition?
mgk920 here (thread locked): https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31208.msg2718030#msg2718030
QuoteHeck, I wouldn't mind us going to worldwide UTC ('Zulu'/Military) time instead and adjust our personal schedules accordingly. No semi-annual clock changes, everyone yells "Happy new year!" at the same time and no time zone confusions. Instead of it now being 1:20pm (1320) Central Daylight Time (UTC -5) as I post this, it would be 1820Z.
:nod:
Mike
There already is UTC and people who need it already use it.
Oh, OK. But, like, more than just him?
Long John Silvers
Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 09:07:18 PM
Oh, OK. But, like, more than just him?
I've read serious proposals to reduce the number of time zones, but not get rid of them entirely (except as a joke).
Bass players are underrated.
Quote from: XamotCGC on May 27, 2022, 12:26:52 AMLong John Silvers
Well, it runs circles around Captain D's, that's for sure.
Quote from: kkt on May 26, 2022, 09:06:55 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 26, 2022, 09:00:46 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 26, 2022, 08:13:14 PM
Time zones
Huh? Are people advocating their abolition?
mgk920 here (thread locked): https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31208.msg2718030#msg2718030
QuoteHeck, I wouldn't mind us going to worldwide UTC ('Zulu'/Military) time instead and adjust our personal schedules accordingly. No semi-annual clock changes, everyone yells "Happy new year!" at the same time and no time zone confusions. Instead of it now being 1:20pm (1320) Central Daylight Time (UTC -5) as I post this, it would be 1820Z.
:nod:
Mike
There already is UTC and people who need it already use it.
As someone who worked on UTC/Z for much of my career, I appreciate it for what it is. But Time Zones are underrated because of all the good they do. Originally introduced to synchronize train schedules, they help coordinate everything from TV schedules to organizing family phone calls in far-flung cities. Few people appreciate them. It's a lot easier to work together when at worst you're on a different hour but the same minute from your partners in different cities rather than everyone being on their own time even in cities as close as St Louis and Kansas City. I'm sure our phones could handle constantly updating our time for location with every incremental change of longitude but I'm sure we'd all hate it. Most people would be surprised to find out they've only been around for about 150 years.
Quote from: skluth on May 27, 2022, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: kkt on May 26, 2022, 09:06:55 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 26, 2022, 09:00:46 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 26, 2022, 08:13:14 PM
Time zones
Huh? Are people advocating their abolition?
mgk920 here (thread locked): https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31208.msg2718030#msg2718030
QuoteHeck, I wouldn't mind us going to worldwide UTC ('Zulu'/Military) time instead and adjust our personal schedules accordingly. No semi-annual clock changes, everyone yells "Happy new year!" at the same time and no time zone confusions. Instead of it now being 1:20pm (1320) Central Daylight Time (UTC -5) as I post this, it would be 1820Z.
:nod:
Mike
There already is UTC and people who need it already use it.
As someone who worked on UTC/Z for much of my career, I appreciate it for what it is. But Time Zones are underrated because of all the good they do. Originally introduced to synchronize train schedules, they help coordinate everything from TV schedules to organizing family phone calls in far-flung cities. Few people appreciate them. It's a lot easier to work together when at worst you're on a different hour but the same minute from your partners in different cities rather than everyone being on their own time even in cities as close as St Louis and Kansas City. I'm sure our phones could handle constantly updating our time for location with every incremental change of longitude but I'm sure we'd all hate it. Most people would be surprised to find out they've only been around for about 150 years.
I love the hilarity of me living in the Central Time zone and if the world run on Zulu time, me coming home from work at what would normally be 6:00 PM but instead the day changes suddenly.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 27, 2022, 12:17:05 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 27, 2022, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: kkt on May 26, 2022, 09:06:55 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 26, 2022, 09:00:46 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: skluth on May 26, 2022, 08:13:14 PM
Time zones
Huh? Are people advocating their abolition?
mgk920 here (thread locked): https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31208.msg2718030#msg2718030
QuoteHeck, I wouldn't mind us going to worldwide UTC ('Zulu'/Military) time instead and adjust our personal schedules accordingly. No semi-annual clock changes, everyone yells "Happy new year!" at the same time and no time zone confusions. Instead of it now being 1:20pm (1320) Central Daylight Time (UTC -5) as I post this, it would be 1820Z.
:nod:
Mike
There already is UTC and people who need it already use it.
As someone who worked on UTC/Z for much of my career, I appreciate it for what it is. But Time Zones are underrated because of all the good they do. Originally introduced to synchronize train schedules, they help coordinate everything from TV schedules to organizing family phone calls in far-flung cities. Few people appreciate them. It's a lot easier to work together when at worst you're on a different hour but the same minute from your partners in different cities rather than everyone being on their own time even in cities as close as St Louis and Kansas City. I'm sure our phones could handle constantly updating our time for location with every incremental change of longitude but I'm sure we'd all hate it. Most people would be surprised to find out they've only been around for about 150 years.
I love the hilarity of me living in the Central Time zone and if the world run on Zulu time, me coming home from work at what would normally be 6:00 PM but instead the day changes suddenly.
At least the US has multiple time zones. China is one big time zone meaning it can be rough on those in Xinjiang and Tibet which are more than 30° west of Beijing. (Each one hour time zone is theoretically 15° wide.) The same is true of India which, while not spanning as much longitude, is annoyingly +5:30 from UTC.
Quote from: kphoger on May 27, 2022, 10:05:12 AM
Bass players are underrated.
All the kids say "bassed" as a term of respect :-)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 27, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
This song:
I don't care what anyone says. The voice does not match the face.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on May 27, 2022, 02:08:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 27, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
This song:
I don't care what anyone says. The voice does not match the face.
Did anyone"˜s face match their voice during the synth heavy 1980s era?
This thread.
Daylight saving time.
Quote from: XamotCGC on May 27, 2022, 12:26:52 AM
Long John Silvers
Their chicken planks are excellent. The fish is so-so, but the chicken is great.
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Quote from: Takumi on May 27, 2022, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 27, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
This song:
It's a genuinely good song.
Are we referring to the original song or this bait version?
I have to admit I got a pretty good laugh out of this version.
Getting home from a trip and taking a dump on your own toilet with normal, decent TP instead of the thinner stuff most hotels provide. Massively underrated experience.
Quote from: Takumi on May 27, 2022, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 27, 2022, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 27, 2022, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 27, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
This song:
It's a genuinely good song.
Are we referring to the original song or this bait version?
I'll leave that up to the reader.
That would take some dedication to just dance in place like that for ten minutes straight.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 28, 2022, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 27, 2022, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 27, 2022, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 27, 2022, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 27, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
This song:
It's a genuinely good song.
Are we referring to the original song or this bait version?
I'll leave that up to the reader.
That would take some dedication to just dance in place like that for ten minutes straight.
I mean, planking was a thing once.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2022, 08:06:11 PMGetting home from a trip and taking a dump on your own toilet with normal, decent TP instead of the thinner stuff most hotels provide. Massively underrated experience.
Not if you're getting home from two weeks in Japan and its washlets.
Two road related ones: right turn lanes and passing zones.
French onion soup.
Shroom Ridge from Mario Kart DS.
Quote from: webny99 on June 13, 2022, 02:35:15 PM
Two road related ones: right turn lanes and passing zones.
Standing by these two, and here's another:
-The Rochester, NY skyline as seen from I-490 at night. The
classic view from Ford St (https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/41-photo-critique/302029-cityscape-rochester-night.html) is good too, but there's a lot more depth to the
view from I-490 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1509824,-77.6093111,3a,75y,25.57h,87.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sZusgp_6YPH2NQoGzXP4fqw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DZusgp_6YPH2NQoGzXP4fqw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D350.85263%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192), and they've added some cool synchronized lighting on a bunch of the buildings (including the new apartments on the riverfront) making for a pretty impressive view at night (albeit still very "blink and you miss it" by big-city standards).
Booking a trip, even if you might have to cancel it later.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 21, 2022, 12:27:17 AM
Booking a trip, even if you might have to cancel it later.
How is that underrated?
Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2022, 06:51:02 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 21, 2022, 12:27:17 AM
Booking a trip, even if you might have to cancel it later.
How is that underrated?
Some people get stressed out by booking things or just find it transactional. I get a little dopamine rush. Just booked a trip to Scotland, Greece, and Albania for next summer.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 21, 2022, 08:22:04 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2022, 06:51:02 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 21, 2022, 12:27:17 AM
Booking a trip, even if you might have to cancel it later.
How is that underrated?
Some people get stressed out by booking things or just find it transactional. I get a little dopamine rush. Just booked a trip to Scotland, Greece, and Albania for next summer.
Huh. I'd think most people would get excited, despite the stress.
Very exciting, and an interesting combination!
Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2022, 08:30:35 AM
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Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2022, 06:51:02 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 21, 2022, 12:27:17 AM
Booking a trip, even if you might have to cancel it later.
How is that underrated?
Some people get stressed out by booking things or just find it transactional. I get a little dopamine rush. Just booked a trip to Scotland, Greece, and Albania for next summer.
Huh. I'd think most people would get excited, despite the stress.
I can see it being stressful if you are travelling internationally and never travelled internationally before - making sure you have a valid passport, a passport that doesn't expire within 6 months, do you need a visa, a language barrier, figuring out how to get around, etc.
The first time I went to Punta Cana I didn't know what to expect. We made 2 other trips in fairly quick succession because it was enjoyable to do so once we were used to it.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 22, 2022, 12:44:50 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2022, 08:30:35 AM
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Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2022, 06:51:02 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 21, 2022, 12:27:17 AM
Booking a trip, even if you might have to cancel it later.
How is that underrated?
Some people get stressed out by booking things or just find it transactional. I get a little dopamine rush. Just booked a trip to Scotland, Greece, and Albania for next summer.
Huh. I'd think most people would get excited, despite the stress.
I can see it being stressful if you are travelling internationally and never travelled internationally before - making sure you have a valid passport, a passport that doesn't expire within 6 months, do you need a visa, a language barrier, figuring out how to get around, etc.
The first time I went to Punta Cana I didn't know what to expect. We made 2 other trips in fairly quick succession because it was enjoyable to do so once we were used to it.
I guess a similar situation to me with regards to traveling alone. I think I had been to 10 countries or so before I decided I really wanted to travel and then I went to Istanbul and Hong Kong by myself within a month and then I knew I had to make international travel more a focus of my life.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 22, 2022, 12:44:50 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2022, 08:30:35 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 21, 2022, 08:22:04 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2022, 06:51:02 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 21, 2022, 12:27:17 AM
Booking a trip, even if you might have to cancel it later.
How is that underrated?
Some people get stressed out by booking things or just find it transactional. I get a little dopamine rush. Just booked a trip to Scotland, Greece, and Albania for next summer.
Huh. I'd think most people would get excited, despite the stress.
I can see it being stressful if you are travelling internationally and never travelled internationally before - making sure you have a valid passport, a passport that doesn't expire within 6 months, do you need a visa, a language barrier, figuring out how to get around, etc.
The first time I went to Punta Cana I didn't know what to expect. We made 2 other trips in fairly quick succession because it was enjoyable to do so once we were used to it.
I'm currently on my first international trip. Planning everything was nerve wracking, but it all went smoothly ahead of time.
San Diego as a tourist destination
SM-G996U
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 23, 2022, 05:23:06 PM
San Diego as a tourist destination
SM-G996U
Was anyone rating San Diego at the top of their list for California cities to visit? I would place it above Los Angeles given it is way easier to get around the San Diego area and arguably has more attractive options for things to do. Balboa Park and Point Loma certainly would be highlights for me. Probably helps in my case that I occasionally travel to North Island for work and stay right next door to the Hotel Del Coronado.
Los Angeles on the other hand is highly overrated to visit. The tourist areas generally are dirty, beat up and largely difficult to access. Los Angeles does have good hiking trails but usually you have to fight a mob of locals to get a good parking spot.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2022, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 23, 2022, 05:23:06 PM
San Diego as a tourist destination
SM-G996U
Was anyone rating San Diego at the top of their list for California cities to visit? I would place it above Los Angeles given it is way easier to get around the San Diego area and arguably has more attractive options for things to do. Balboa Park and Point Loma certainly would be highlights for me. Probably helps in my case that I occasionally travel to North Island for work and stay right next door to the Hotel Del Coronado.
Los Angeles on the other hand is highly overrated to visit. The tourist areas generally are dirty, beat up and largely difficult to access. Los Angeles does have good hiking trails but usually you have to fight a mob of locals to get a good parking spot.
I've traveled to California four times now on vacation. The first time as a kid, my parents and I flew into Santa Barbara stayed with family in Lompoc, exploring that area before doing a weekend trip to Anaheim for Disneyland. The second time as a kid, we flew into San Francisco and spent time in the Bay Area before heading south to Lompoc another weekend in Anaheim and a day at Universal. After we finished our time in SoCal, we ventured back to San Francisco for a last full day before flying out.
The third trip, this time as an adult, I flew into San Diego for a conference and made a brief side trip into Tijuana one morning. The final trip was last year when I took the
California Zephyr into the state and visited the Bay Area for a few days with a side trip to see my family, now in Los Banos.
As for rating further return trips, the Bay Area for me comes first, especially with a side trip to see the family, but San Diego is high on my list to revisit. For me, the only compelling reason to visit LA again would be Disney and secondarily Universal Studios.
I think there's plenty of people out there who would rate San Diego above LA. From what I understand, it has similar vibes, just on a smaller scale, with less traffic and slightly warmer weather. That sounds pretty good to me, especially if you've already been to LA.
Quote from: webny99 on October 23, 2022, 10:26:18 PM
I think there's plenty of people out there who would rate San Diego above LA. From what I understand, it has similar vibes, just on a smaller scale, with less traffic and slightly warmer weather. That sounds pretty good to me, especially if you've already been to LA.
I've always found San Diego to have a much different character to Los Angeles. Much of San Diego is more mountainous and has newer areas of growth than Los Angeles. Probably the most striking difference for me is the large military presence that is still in San Diego. Los Angeles was probably a much closer analog in the past when Terminal Island had a bigger Navy presence. Really if you need to go visit a big city in California, I would tell you to see San Francisco first and probably San Diego well before Los Angeles. Either way, IMO visiting big cities in California is kind of missing the point about the best things the state has to offer.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2022, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: webny99 on October 23, 2022, 10:26:18 PM
I think there's plenty of people out there who would rate San Diego above LA. From what I understand, it has similar vibes, just on a smaller scale, with less traffic and slightly warmer weather. That sounds pretty good to me, especially if you've already been to LA.
I've always found San Diego to have a much different character to Los Angeles. Much of San Diego is more mountainous and has newer areas of growth than Los Angeles. ...
That's fair. However, to an outsider like me, "mountainous with newer areas of growth" sounds a lot like LA, too. So I guess it's all relative.
Quote from: webny99 on October 24, 2022, 07:58:53 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2022, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: webny99 on October 23, 2022, 10:26:18 PM
I think there's plenty of people out there who would rate San Diego above LA. From what I understand, it has similar vibes, just on a smaller scale, with less traffic and slightly warmer weather. That sounds pretty good to me, especially if you've already been to LA.
I've always found San Diego to have a much different character to Los Angeles. Much of San Diego is more mountainous and has newer areas of growth than Los Angeles. ...
That's fair. However, to an outsider like me, "mountainous with newer areas of growth" sounds a lot like LA, too. So I guess it's all relative.
Hence why I added that visiting large California cities is kind of missing the best stuff the state has to offer anyway. Either way, much of Los Angeles is older than you probably are assuming.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 24, 2022, 08:02:39 AM
Quote from: webny99 on October 24, 2022, 07:58:53 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2022, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: webny99 on October 23, 2022, 10:26:18 PM
I think there's plenty of people out there who would rate San Diego above LA. From what I understand, it has similar vibes, just on a smaller scale, with less traffic and slightly warmer weather. That sounds pretty good to me, especially if you've already been to LA.
I've always found San Diego to have a much different character to Los Angeles. Much of San Diego is more mountainous and has newer areas of growth than Los Angeles. ...
That's fair. However, to an outsider like me, "mountainous with newer areas of growth" sounds a lot like LA, too. So I guess it's all relative.
Hence why I added that visiting large California cities is kind of missing the best stuff the state has to offer anyway. Either way, much of Los Angeles is older than you probably are assuming.
I'm thinking "new" relative to what I'm used to in New England, the Rust Belt, etc. No doubt it is probably older by California standards.
Indianapolis is underrated.
Quote from: kirbykart on July 20, 2022, 01:52:41 PM
Shroom Ridge from Mario Kart DS.
as a (now on leave of absence) pizza driver, I approve. I think pizza driving would be soooo much more fun if I could throw turtles at the idiot(s) in front of me.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 22, 2022, 12:44:50 AM
making sure you have ... a passport that doesn't expire within 6 months
Do airlines require that? Not all countries have that requirement.
I once crossed by land into Mexico with a young lady who had 8 days left on her passport. We requested 7-day tourist cards, and the INM agent didn't even bat an eye.
Quote from: kphoger on October 24, 2022, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 22, 2022, 12:44:50 AM
making sure you have ... a passport that doesn't expire within 6 months
Do airlines require that? Not all countries have that requirement.
I once crossed by land into Mexico with a young lady who had 8 days left on her passport. We requested 7-day tourist cards, and the INM agent didn't even bat an eye.
The issue I've run into is that some airlines (not sure if all) will not let you check in online if you are less than six months from passport expiration.
Frosted Flakes without milk are underrated.
Quote from: kphoger on October 24, 2022, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 22, 2022, 12:44:50 AM
making sure you have ... a passport that doesn't expire within 6 months
Do airlines require that? Not all countries have that requirement.
I once crossed by land into Mexico with a young lady who had 8 days left on her passport. We requested 7-day tourist cards, and the INM agent didn't even bat an eye.
The cruise line I frequent (Royal Caribbean) requires that. Probably other cruise lines as well.
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Don't tell anyone!
Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
They're agricultural sites.
Quote from: Rothman on October 26, 2022, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
They're agricultural sites.
?
Are you saying that all of the trees in national forests were planted by humans for the purposes of food?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 26, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 26, 2022, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
They're agricultural sites.
?
Are you saying that all of the trees in national forests were planted by humans for the purposes of food?
Are you saying that Merino sheep are planted by humans for the purpose of food?
Seriously, though, US national forests are administered by a division of the United States Department of Agriculture. So......
Quote from: kphoger on October 26, 2022, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 26, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 26, 2022, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
They're agricultural sites.
?
Are you saying that all of the trees in national forests were planted by humans for the purposes of food?
Are you saying that Merino sheep are planted by humans for the purpose of food?
Seriously, though, US national forests are administered by a division of the United States Department of Agriculture. So......
Forgot about that technicality. Like secret service agents were treasurers.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 26, 2022, 04:38:00 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 26, 2022, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 26, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 26, 2022, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
They're agricultural sites.
?
Are you saying that all of the trees in national forests were planted by humans for the purposes of food?
Are you saying that Merino sheep are planted by humans for the purpose of food?
Seriously, though, US national forests are administered by a division of the United States Department of Agriculture. So......
Forgot about that technicality. Like secret service agents were treasurers.
It isn't a technicality. The primary purpose of a national forest is to provide a sustainable supply of lumber to be harvested. Preservation only goes that far with the USDA. Recreation is a secondary concern.
Quote from: Rothman on October 26, 2022, 04:52:59 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 26, 2022, 04:38:00 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 26, 2022, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 26, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 26, 2022, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
They're agricultural sites.
?
Are you saying that all of the trees in national forests were planted by humans for the purposes of food?
Are you saying that Merino sheep are planted by humans for the purpose of food?
Seriously, though, US national forests are administered by a division of the United States Department of Agriculture. So......
Forgot about that technicality. Like secret service agents were treasurers.
It isn't a technicality. The primary purpose of a national forest is to provide a sustainable supply of lumber to be harvested. Preservation only goes that far with the USDA. Recreation is a secondary concern.
Maybe, although that wasn't the original intent. National forests are the "Land of Many Uses" -- recreation (including some forms not allowed in national parks, such as hunting), timber, watershed, and wildlife/fish habitat. But more and more, loggers' interests have influenced legislators and those charged with managing the forests.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 26, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 26, 2022, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
They're agricultural sites.
?
Are you saying that all of the trees in national forests were planted by humans for the purposes of food?
Are you saying that all the cotton planted in the south doesn't count as agriculture? or that people are eating it? (Milo Minderbinder, is that you?)
Quote from: kkt on October 26, 2022, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 26, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 26, 2022, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
They're agricultural sites.
?
Are you saying that all of the trees in national forests were planted by humans for the purposes of food?
Are you saying that all the cotton planted in the south doesn't count as agriculture? or that people are eating it? (Milo Minderbinder, is that you?)
I mean, how else do you make cotton candy?
Quote from: wanderer2575 on October 26, 2022, 10:04:18 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 26, 2022, 04:52:59 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 26, 2022, 04:38:00 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 26, 2022, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 26, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 26, 2022, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
They're agricultural sites.
?
Are you saying that all of the trees in national forests were planted by humans for the purposes of food?
Are you saying that Merino sheep are planted by humans for the purpose of food?
Seriously, though, US national forests are administered by a division of the United States Department of Agriculture. So......
Forgot about that technicality. Like secret service agents were treasurers.
It isn't a technicality. The primary purpose of a national forest is to provide a sustainable supply of lumber to be harvested. Preservation only goes that far with the USDA. Recreation is a secondary concern.
Maybe, although that wasn't the original intent. National forests are the "Land of Many Uses" -- recreation (including some forms not allowed in national parks, such as hunting), timber, watershed, and wildlife/fish habitat. But more and more, loggers' interests have influenced legislators and those charged with managing the forests.
Pfft. National forests = Pinchot, Parks = Muir. That's all there is to it.
Seems like a better question would be why some Federal lands for mixed uses are National Forests, while others are BLM lands.
Quote from: kkt on October 27, 2022, 01:20:45 AMSeems like a better question would be why some Federal lands for mixed uses are National Forests, while others are BLM lands.
The BLM is the institutional successor to the General Land Office (managed homesteading) and the Grazing Service (managed grazing leases), both of which were under the Department of the Interior. The USFS itself is the result of a Congressional decision to exempt certain timber lands from disposal.
I'm sure someone from the West would find this an incredibly naive question, but why has the BLM retained ownership of so much land, rather than privatizing it through land runs, sales, etc. as was done in the central and eastern parts of the country?
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 27, 2022, 02:46:30 AMI'm sure someone from the West would find this an incredibly naive question, but why has the BLM retained ownership of so much land, rather than privatizing it through land runs, sales, etc. as was done in the central and eastern parts of the country?
Many books have been written on this question; a New York
Times article from 2016 (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/upshot/why-the-government-owns-so-much-land-in-the-west.html) has a capsule summary. Essentially, much of the West is either so arid or so poorly roaded that it never became viable to homestead when the frontier was still open, so it was still in federal hands when conservation began to drive land use decisions.
Oatmeal raisin cookies are underrated.
Quote from: kirbykart on October 27, 2022, 08:11:27 AM
Oatmeal raisin cookies are underrated.
You madman (although I agree with you).
Quote from: Rothman on October 27, 2022, 08:17:49 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on October 27, 2022, 08:11:27 AM
Oatmeal raisin cookies are underrated.
You madman (although I agree with you).
I don't mind them either, because the cinnamon is the best part.
Quote from: formulanone on October 27, 2022, 08:43:23 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 27, 2022, 08:17:49 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on October 27, 2022, 08:11:27 AM
Oatmeal raisin cookies are underrated.
You madman (although I agree with you).
I don't mind them either, because the cinnamon is the best part.
Oatmeal raisin cookies are worse than no cookies at all.
They're better without the raisins. Which I think |formulanone| would agree with.
I like the oatmeal chocolate chip cookies at Potbelly.
Quote from: kphoger on October 27, 2022, 10:30:40 AM
They're better without the raisins. Which I think |formulanone| would agree with.
If they're juicy raisins, it's all good. Otherwise, it's just a snickerdoodle hiding in oatmeal.
Quote from: kirbykart on October 27, 2022, 08:11:27 AM
Oatmeal raisin cookies are underrated.
Any cookie with raisins is a cruel joke. Raisins are just chocolate chip wannabes.
80s pop music
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 27, 2022, 09:58:46 AM
Quote from: formulanone on October 27, 2022, 08:43:23 AM
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Quote from: kirbykart on October 27, 2022, 08:11:27 AM
Oatmeal raisin cookies are underrated.
You madman (although I agree with you).
I don't mind them either, because the cinnamon is the best part.
Oatmeal raisin cookies are worse than no cookies at all.
I guess this is true of any cookie, but the quality can vary wildly. Some are good; others,
blech.
Quote from: webny99 on October 27, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
I guess this is true of any cookie, but the quality can vary wildly. Some are good; others, blech.
I can honestly say I've never had a cookie and said the word 'blech'. Cookies are like sex; even when it's bad, it's good.
I do not like oatmeal. Put a bowl of oatmeal in front of it and I would push it away.
Oatmeal raisin cookies, OTOH, are yummy.
OK, but if the bowl also had milk and brown sugar, would you still push it away?
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 28, 2022, 10:56:03 AM
OK, but if the bowl also had milk and brown sugar, would you still push it away?
Yep.
I have a shaker prepped on my table full of 1-part cinnamon, 2-parts sugar. Goes a long way in improving oatmeal AND toast!
Oatmeal can be decent, but it's difficult to find the right consistency. And you have to eat it right away as well, otherwise it turns to cold mush.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on October 28, 2022, 04:51:59 PM
Oatmeal can be decent, but it's difficult to find the right consistency. And you have to eat it right away as well, otherwise it turns to cold mush.
It's easier if you don't use instant oatmeal and don't mind experimenting with cooking times and temperatures until you find a combination that works for you.
I once kept adding more and more syrup to my oatmeal, but it still wasn't sweet enough. Eventually, though, it started getting this weird flavor to it. That's when I realized I'd been pouring vanilla extract in instead of syrup. (A co-worker had brought me a huge bottle of vanilla extract back from Vietnam, and both bottles of dark liquid were in the same cupboard.)
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 28, 2022, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on October 28, 2022, 04:51:59 PM
Oatmeal can be decent, but it's difficult to find the right consistency. And you have to eat it right away as well, otherwise it turns to cold mush.
It's easier if you don't use instant oatmeal and don't mind experimenting with cooking times and temperatures until you find a combination that works for you.
I like my oatmeal with the consistency of wet cement.
Quote from: kphoger on October 28, 2022, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 28, 2022, 04:57:18 PM
the consistency of wet cement.
I've never tasted that.
You don't have to eat something in order to determine its consistency.
There's a difference between what something feels like on my fingertip (I haven't put my initials in wet cement for years and years either) and what it feels like on your palette.
Even better than oatmeal: Cream of Wheat. I actually prefer the instant; I find the cooked version has a gumminess I don't like.
I have been eating oatmeal for breakfast for years and years since it is one of the best sources of dietary fiber among breakfast foods. (Cooked wheat farinas, like Malt-O-Meal or Cream of Wheat, have less fiber.) Generally I start by mixing one cup of Quaker Oats minute oatmeal with two cups of half-percent milk and zapping it for 2:36 in a 1200 W microwave under cover. Then I allow it to sit for about an hour until it has cooled and congealed enough that it can be drunk as a thick slurry after stirring. I used to add brown sugar, but quit years ago when I realized that the lactose in the milk is enough of a sweetener.
Using milk straight from the refrigerator eliminates much of the batch variation since it is maintained at a consistent temperature, unlike water from the tap.
Quote from: J N Winkler on October 28, 2022, 05:40:52 PM
microwave under cover
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Quote from: Bruce on October 26, 2022, 03:26:52 PM
National forests are underrated.
While not as well developed or advertised as national parks, they are usually less crowded and don't have an entry fee (usually just a flat rate for parking). A little research is required to find really good trails, but the payoff is pretty good and you can be in-and-out in a fraction of the time.
This is why I live in one. :bigass:
Quote from: J N Winkler on October 27, 2022, 02:00:08 AM
Quote from: kkt on October 27, 2022, 01:20:45 AMSeems like a better question would be why some Federal lands for mixed uses are National Forests, while others are BLM lands.
The BLM is the institutional successor to the General Land Office (managed homesteading) and the Grazing Service (managed grazing leases), both of which were under the Department of the Interior. The USFS itself is the result of a Congressional decision to exempt certain timber lands from disposal.
thank you :)
Quote from: wanderer2575 on October 28, 2022, 05:07:41 PM
Even better than oatmeal: Cream of Wheat. I actually prefer the instant; I find the cooked version has a gumminess I don't like.
Grits, aka cream of chicken feed.
- The vibes of rush hour at twilight
Quote from: kphoger on October 27, 2022, 02:57:38 PM
80s pop music
80s music seems almost universally liked in my experience. I'm one of the few people I know who doesn't really care for it.
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Quote from: kphoger on October 27, 2022, 02:57:38 PM
80s pop music
80s music seems almost universally liked in my experience. I'm one of the few people I know who doesn't really care for it.
I think especially in hindsight, most of us can find something we like there.
The stuff I liked was on commercial radio until about 1984 (Madness, the Police, Genesis, Prince, etc.) and then TBH only on college radio afterward (Siouxsie, Depeche Mode, The Damned, Dead Kennedys etc.) So yeah it was all 80s music, but the second list was definitely not the stuff filling the airwaves.
Maybe nostalgia, but it seems like there was a lot more variety in pop music back in the day, where guitar rock, country, prog, R+B, power pop, folk, etc. would share the charts. Now it seems a lot more optimized for current tastes, like everyone's chasing it. Ah well, grumble grumble, kids these days, etc.
I don't care for 80s pop, but 80s AOR and metal rules.
Earlier this year, I went through a list of albums released 40 years ago (1982) and found that there's a large number of them in my music collection. Same for 1987 (35 years ago) that I plan to review before long.
Quote from: kurumi on November 09, 2022, 12:40:19 AM
Maybe nostalgia, but it seems like there was a lot more variety in pop music back in the day, where guitar rock, country, prog, R+B, power pop, folk, etc. would share the charts. Now it seems a lot more optimized for current tastes, like everyone's chasing it. Ah well, grumble grumble, kids these days, etc.
I mean, this was the first year that a single artist swept the Billboard top ten, but let's not forget that another artist bagged nine out of ten just last year.
So yeah, I agree that radio music nowadays does seem to be more homogenous than in the 80s.
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: kurumi on November 09, 2022, 12:40:19 AM
Maybe nostalgia, but it seems like there was a lot more variety in pop music back in the day, where guitar rock, country, prog, R+B, power pop, folk, etc. would share the charts. Now it seems a lot more optimized for current tastes, like everyone's chasing it. Ah well, grumble grumble, kids these days, etc.
I mean, this was the first year that a single artist swept the Billboard top ten, but let's not forget that another artist bagged nine out of ten just last year.
So yeah, I agree that radio music nowadays does seem to be more homogenous than in the 80s.
I agree that a lot of current music sounds the same, but I think there's an element of survivorship bias here. When you think of 80s music in 2022 you think of the big songs that have stood the test of time and/or those those that you personally enjoy. You forget all the others because they weren't good/didn't stand out.
Basically, my point is that music has always been homogenous. Only slightly more so now than in past decades.
And if you think the songs you see on the hot 100 are all the same (which to an extent they are), listen to country or hip-hop radio. It's so bad that sometimes you can accurately predict what the last word of the next sentence will be based on the last word of the previous sentence, despite never having heard the song before.
My mother has said that people can finish country song lines as long as she's been around. So, lots of decades.
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: kurumi on November 09, 2022, 12:40:19 AM
Maybe nostalgia, but it seems like there was a lot more variety in pop music back in the day, where guitar rock, country, prog, R+B, power pop, folk, etc. would share the charts. Now it seems a lot more optimized for current tastes, like everyone's chasing it. Ah well, grumble grumble, kids these days, etc.
I mean, this was the first year that a single artist swept the Billboard top ten, but let's not forget that another artist bagged nine out of ten just last year.
So yeah, I agree that radio music nowadays does seem to be more homogenous than in the 80s.
I think that's more due to the Billboard lists now including streaming listens. When it was just based on radio plays, pretty much only singles would end up on the list, which would generally make it impossible for more than a few songs from an artist to be on the list at a time. Nowadays when an extremely popular artist releases an album, often times the whole album will end up in the top 100.
Thoroughly soft pasta is underrated. I don't like "al dente".
Quote from: kirbykart on November 10, 2022, 08:01:28 AM
Thoroughly soft pasta is underrated. I don't like "al dente".
I was just talking about this with my wife the other day. I am pleased whenever I'm at a restaurant that properly cooks
al dente pasta, but I also have nothing against overcooked pasta. In fact, in my own kitchen, I err on the side of overcooking.
Quote from: bm7 on November 10, 2022, 03:07:16 AM
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: kurumi on November 09, 2022, 12:40:19 AM
Maybe nostalgia, but it seems like there was a lot more variety in pop music back in the day, where guitar rock, country, prog, R+B, power pop, folk, etc. would share the charts. Now it seems a lot more optimized for current tastes, like everyone's chasing it. Ah well, grumble grumble, kids these days, etc.
I mean, this was the first year that a single artist swept the Billboard top ten, but let's not forget that another artist bagged nine out of ten just last year.
So yeah, I agree that radio music nowadays does seem to be more homogenous than in the 80s.
I think that's more due to the Billboard lists now including streaming listens. When it was just based on radio plays, pretty much only singles would end up on the list, which would generally make it impossible for more than a few songs from an artist to be on the list at a time. Nowadays when an extremely popular artist releases an album, often times the whole album will end up in the top 100.
Also, at that time, the definition of 'single' was changed to include all songs that are individually available for download or streaming listen, not just specifically produced and 'pressed' for individual retail sale.
Not only sweeping the top ten, but in last weekend's chart (2022-11-05), one artist charted *20* new titles, including putting ten of them in the top ten. That act's lowest debut was at #45.
Yes, it is a big change from how it was going into the 1980s and 1990s.
Mike
People quite understandably talk about how nice it is to come home from a trip somewhere and sleep in your own bed with your own pillow etc.
A vastly overrated part of coming home: Sitting on your own toilet and using your preferred brand of toilet paper (like Charmin) instead of the flimsy and often somewhat rough el cheapo brands many hotels provide.
pooing is cool
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 18, 2022, 08:35:25 AM
People quite understandably talk about how nice it is to come home from a trip somewhere and sleep in your own bed with your own pillow etc.
A vastly overrated part of coming home: Sitting on your own toilet and using your preferred brand of toilet paper (like Charmin) instead of the flimsy and often somewhat rough el cheapo brands many hotels provide.
Yes, and it's even more overrated when you have a Genie Bidet at home and weren't able to use something similar on the road.
I generally bring my own toilet accessories with me when I travel, simply to avoid the institutional paper. (Usually it's at least a small step up from what you find in public bathrooms, though it's a small step.)
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 18, 2022, 08:35:25 AM
A vastly overrated part of coming home: Sitting on your own toilet
A king never feels as great as when he's sitting on his own throne.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 18, 2022, 04:11:02 PM
I generally bring my own toilet accessories with me when I travel, simply to avoid the institutional paper. (Usually it's at least a small step up from what you find in public bathrooms, though it's a small step.)
Assuming the public bathroom even has TP. Then having your own is a huge step. (I also keep a spare roll in the trunk for such occasions.)
Quote from: skluth on November 18, 2022, 05:48:35 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 18, 2022, 04:11:02 PM
I generally bring my own toilet accessories with me when I travel, simply to avoid the institutional paper. (Usually it's at least a small step up from what you find in public bathrooms, though it's a small step.)
Assuming the public bathroom even has TP. Then having your own is a huge step. (I also keep a spare roll in the trunk for such occasions.)
I keep a roll in my car tool box and hiking bag, very handy when the occasion is called for.
Not to mention that hotel bathrooms tend to be a letdown in general, not just the TP quality. The TP placement is often in some bizarre place that requires contouring in weird ways to get at it, or worse, getting up and turning around. Plus they almost invariably (can count on one hand the number of exceptions) have poor ventilation, resulting in not just a steamy mirror, but condensation on everything else, too, and humidity that takes hours to go down (it's murder on my hair, plus I hate humidity in general).
Opposite most people here, I have no strong feelings one way or another where I poop. Assuming the place is not disgustingly dirty and so on, I'm perfectly content pooping anywhere, and I have no especial preference for home.
In the past I think I have said I normally prefer to move my bowels at home, but this has less to do with the quality of the toilet paper, and more with wanting to be able to shower afterward. A stool that is easy to pass is one of life's underrated pleasures.
Shower after every bowel movement...?
Quote from: vdeane on November 18, 2022, 09:41:53 PM
Not to mention that hotel bathrooms tend to be a letdown in general, not just the TP quality. The TP placement is often in some bizarre place that requires contouring in weird ways to get at it, or worse, getting up and turning around. Plus they almost invariably (can count on one hand the number of exceptions) have poor ventilation, resulting in not just a steamy mirror, but condensation on everything else, too, and humidity that takes hours to go down (it's murder on my hair, plus I hate humidity in general).
Heh. At both of the hotels where I stayed over the past two weeks, the TP was on a vertical holder well behind my position. I wound up taking the roll off the holder and setting it to one side in front of me (on the counter at the first hotel, on the edge of the tub in the second one) to make it easier to reach. But at least in both cases it was easy to remove.
Random question...is there anyone else who does not use a TP holder at all? I was raised in a house that used them, but for whatever reason, when my wife gets a new roll out she never puts it on the holder and just leaves it on the counter next to the toilet. After a while of indignantly putting it on the holder every time I saw this, I finally just gave up and started leaving it where it is. And nothing of value seems to be lost.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 19, 2022, 07:38:17 PM
Random question...is there anyone else who does not use a TP holder at all? I was raised in a house that used them, but for whatever reason, when my wife gets a new roll out she never puts it on the holder and just leaves it on the counter next to the toilet. After a while of indignantly putting it on the holder every time I saw this, I finally just gave up and started leaving it where it is. And nothing of value seems to be lost.
When my bathroom blind broke and I replaced it with a curtain that's too long for the window, it covered the toilet paper holder so ever since then I've been sitting new rolls on the toilet.
Quote from: vdeane on November 18, 2022, 09:41:53 PM
Not to mention that hotel bathrooms tend to be a letdown in general, not just the TP quality. The TP placement is often in some bizarre place that requires contouring in weird ways to get at it, or worse, getting up and turning around. Plus they almost invariably (can count on one hand the number of exceptions) have poor ventilation, resulting in not just a steamy mirror, but condensation on everything else, too, and humidity that takes hours to go down (it's murder on my hair, plus I hate humidity in general).
Easy fix -- leave the door open when you bathe.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 19, 2022, 07:54:36 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 18, 2022, 09:41:53 PM
Not to mention that hotel bathrooms tend to be a letdown in general, not just the TP quality. The TP placement is often in some bizarre place that requires contouring in weird ways to get at it, or worse, getting up and turning around. Plus they almost invariably (can count on one hand the number of exceptions) have poor ventilation, resulting in not just a steamy mirror, but condensation on everything else, too, and humidity that takes hours to go down (it's murder on my hair, plus I hate humidity in general).
Easy fix -- leave the door open when you bathe.
I would think the last thing I would want is to make the entire room that humid. I go so far as to remove things that I don't think would do well in that environment (my pills, tweezers, hairdryer, etc.) out of the bathroom unless I've verified that I'm in one of the few hotel bathrooms that don't do that.
Sometimes it's so bad that I end up drying my hair in the main room. Not only because of mirror issues (easily solved) or the wet countertop (sometimes with so much condensation that I may as well have poured a bucket of water on it), but because my hair takes twice as long to dry if it's that humid.
I mean, the way it would work is that the 100% humidity air mixes with the 50% (or whatever) air in the hotel room, making something closer to 75% humidity in both places. And especially during the winter time, indoor air often has humidity levels in the 20% or so range, meaning that raising the humidity level in the room would probably make it more comfortable and less likely to make your skin dry out. I usually don't use the vent fan at all during the winter, because it's free humidity I don't have to run the humidifier to get.
Living in an environment that's naturally fairly humid already, I don't really have any issues with pills or tweezers, and I would imagine a hairdryer would be engineered to work in a humid environment, considering that most people would be using it immediately after a shower.
I don't open the door while I'm showering for the sole reason that it tends to make the room colder than I like.
Quote from: Rothman on November 19, 2022, 03:20:38 PMShower after every bowel movement...?
Yes. Admittedly, it's more convenient for natural frequency of just once a day (anywhere from three times a day to once every three days is considered normal) and natural timing of just after coffee and just before showering.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 19, 2022, 07:38:17 PMRandom question...is there anyone else who does not use a TP holder at all? I was raised in a house that used them, but for whatever reason, when my wife gets a new roll out she never puts it on the holder and just leaves it on the counter next to the toilet. After a while of indignantly putting it on the holder every time I saw this, I finally just gave up and started leaving it where it is. And nothing of value seems to be lost.
I greatly prefer a TP holder mounted to the wall next to the toilet at knee level, though I personally get off the toilet before I start tearing off TP (yes, I can just imagine the expressions of horror). I've seen freestanding TP holders, but remain wary of the tipover potential. I've also seen TP rolls left on top of the toilet tank; I think that is just asking for them to fall into the bowl.
I try to position new rolls of TP within the bathroom so that, if necessary, I can change a roll one-handed. Generally I have a 12-roll package in the cabinet underneath the sink, pre-slit at one corner so I can simply reach in and pull the first new roll off without having the other 11 trying to follow.
The best toilet-paper holder I ever had was not a toilet paper holder at all, but a bit of pipe that came out of the wall, oriented at about a 45-degree angle right at about arm level. It wasn't designed for toilet paper, but just a quirk of the plumbing in the old building I lived in. Anyway, putting the toilet paper there was ideal. I was able to take the whole roll in my hand, unravel however much I needed, and put it back. It was easy and comfortable and convenient.
The second best toilet-paper holder, for me at least, would be a freestanding version of the following:
(https://www.thebathoutlet.com/static/750/images/nameeks/Nameeks%20NFA001.jpg)
Note the lack of a nub at the top, allowing the roll to slide on and off easily.
^^^^
That thing is conceptually similar to what I was describing from the hotels where I stayed the past two weeks, although they both had a slight little "cap," for lack of a better word, on top, I assume just to reduce the chance of the roll sliding upwards depending on how someone unrolls the TP.
Quote from: J N Winkler on November 19, 2022, 10:18:40 PM
... I've also seen TP rolls left on top of the toilet tank; I think that is just asking for them to fall into the bowl.
...
My wife used to get on my case for leaving the toilet seat up. She also likes to store a spare roll on the back of the toilet tank (in the case of our powder room, there really is no other suitable place in that room). Sure enough, during the Great TP Shortage of 2020 I dropped a roll and it landed in the bowl. So now I put down the lid as well as the seat (and I know that's more hygienic anyway due to toilet plume). Now she gets annoyed that the lid is down. How is it that women apparently cannot figure out how to use a toilet if the seat and lid are not pre-positioned in their preferred position? (I note our master bathroom toilet has a lighted seat, too, which makes it particularly easy to tell.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 19, 2022, 07:38:17 PM
Random question...is there anyone else who does not use a TP holder at all? I was raised in a house that used them, but for whatever reason, when my wife gets a new roll out she never puts it on the holder and just leaves it on the counter next to the toilet. After a while of indignantly putting it on the holder every time I saw this, I finally just gave up and started leaving it where it is. And nothing of value seems to be lost.
Probably not so necessary in a confined/enclosed area.
But when you accidentally drop the roll and it zips on under the stall door...there's a extra challenge I can do without in times of duress.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 20, 2022, 08:47:30 AM
(I note our master bathroom toilet has a lighted seat, too, which makes it particularly easy to tell.)
This is a thing? I had no idea, and now I want one.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 20, 2022, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 20, 2022, 08:47:30 AM
(I note our master bathroom toilet has a lighted seat, too, which makes it particularly easy to tell.)
This is a thing? I had no idea, and now I want one.
Nightlights...not just for kids anymore. I do enjoy them in the hotel bathrooms that include them (the under-light switch method is the least obtrusive).
We use the holder and keep toilet paper rolls on the back of the tank.
My wife isn't particular about me leaving the seat up, but I am pretty good about putting it back down. If anything, I still joke about women refusing to look where they sit. They must sit in all sorts of stuff.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 20, 2022, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 20, 2022, 08:47:30 AM
(I note our master bathroom toilet has a lighted seat, too, which makes it particularly easy to tell.)
This is a thing? I had no idea, and now I want one.
We have the Kohler Nightlight lighted toilet seat. Got it at Home Depot; it was $5 more than the standard model. It uses four AA batteries to power the light (I use rechargeable batteries and I wipe them down when it's time to recharge) and the light is on for about ten hours each night–you turn it on the first night when you want it to go on and it then turns on automatically at that time each night and turns off automatically the next morning. We generally don't bother adjusting the on/off times for DST, either.
Note that if you're picturing a seat with lights in the seat, sort of like a glowing halo or similar, you would be disappointed. There is a blue light at the back underneath the seat that casts a blue glow that is visible regardless of whether the seat and the lid are up or down; it allows you to see the seat's position and to see the toilet bowl.
Edited to add: Prior to getting this seat, we tried a clip-on device called a "Glow Bowl," but it stopped working within two months. Right around the same time, the old toilet seat on that toilet cracked and that's when I discovered that Kohler makes lighted seats.
When you open a package of candy, and it randomly happens to contain none of your least favorite flavor.
Quote from: kphoger on November 23, 2022, 03:51:17 PM
When you open a package of candy, and it randomly happens to contain none of your least favorite flavor.
Occasionally, I'll buy one of those boxes Frito-Lay has that has an assortment of lunch-size bags of chips. (I find it easier to not overeat that way.) During the pandemic, I got one of them home before I noticed a sticker that basically said that due to the pandemic, the flavor distribution was likely to be wonky. I opened the box and it contained one of each flavor advertised and then they filled the rest of the box with Doritos. Now, I like Doritos, but man, that was a lot of Doritos.
I'll go literal and say _ is underrated in Python.
_, results = func(args) is a canonical way of letting other devs (and IDEs, etc.) know that you are discarding a return value.
Python programmers make fun of Perl's punctuation variables, then re-invent them. :P
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 23, 2022, 05:01:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 23, 2022, 03:51:17 PM
When you open a package of candy, and it randomly happens to contain none of your least favorite flavor.
Occasionally, I'll buy one of those boxes Frito-Lay has that has an assortment of lunch-size bags of chips. (I find it easier to not overeat that way.) During the pandemic, I got one of them home before I noticed a sticker that basically said that due to the pandemic, the flavor distribution was likely to be wonky. I opened the box and it contained one of each flavor advertised and then they filled the rest of the box with Doritos. Now, I like Doritos, but man, that was a lot of Doritos.
I think I would have enjoyed that. I like Doritos but not so much Cheetos or Fritos or barbecue flavored potato chips.
Quote from: formulanone on November 20, 2022, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 20, 2022, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 20, 2022, 08:47:30 AM
(I note our master bathroom toilet has a lighted seat, too, which makes it particularly easy to tell.)
This is a thing? I had no idea, and now I want one.
Nightlights...not just for kids anymore. I do enjoy them in the hotel bathrooms that include them (the under-light switch method is the least obtrusive).
I pack a nightlight in my suitcase when traveling and plug it into the hotel bathroom electric socket so I don't have to turn on any lights to find the bathroom.
Easily compacting a seemingly full trash can with a paper plate, and getting about 50% more space.
Walking into any business and hearing a song you really like (and not a cover/Muzak version) come over the sound system.
The Jersey Turnpike.
Underrated but overpriced.
The peaceful period on the forum between Flat Illinois and MMM.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2022, 08:39:04 PM
The peaceful period on the forum between Flat Illinois and MMM.
It seems that this forum goes between alternating sequences of war and peace. We seem to be in a double sided war right now.
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 26, 2022, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2022, 08:39:04 PM
The peaceful period on the forum between Flat Illinois and MMM.
It seems that this forum goes between alternating sequences of war and peace. We seem to be in a double sided war right now.
What's the second front?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2022, 12:20:27 AM
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 26, 2022, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2022, 08:39:04 PM
The peaceful period on the forum between Flat Illinois and MMM.
It seems that this forum goes between alternating sequences of war and peace. We seem to be in a double sided war right now.
What's the second front?
Poiponen13's ideas (more like thought experiments) that the US should be building new islands, creating new jade mass transit lines, and putting robot tigers in the median of roundabouts.
^Or cities called Ghhhhhjjjkjkjkjkjklkkkjjj.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2022, 08:39:04 PM
The peaceful period on the forum between Flat Illinois and MMM.
Pax Olivetum
^^^
Pax Plana Illinois Quote from: CoreySamson on November 27, 2022, 01:06:31 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2022, 12:20:27 AM
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 26, 2022, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2022, 08:39:04 PM
The peaceful period on the forum between Flat Illinois and MMM.
It seems that this forum goes between alternating sequences of war and peace. We seem to be in a double sided war right now.
What's the second front?
Poiponen13's ideas (more like thought experiments) that the US should be building new islands, creating new jade mass transit lines, and putting robot tigers in the median of roundabouts.
Indeed the shadows have lengthened and the second front has opened:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32507.0
Pineapple. It's the best fruit by a wide margin.
Quote from: webny99 on December 08, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Pineapple. It's the best fruit by a wide margin.
I don't know about that but it does go great on pizza.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2022, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 08, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Pineapple. It's the best fruit by a wide margin.
I don't know about that but it does go great on pizza.
But that would mean it's warm. I like it much better cut and eaten fresh.
Quote from: webny99 on December 08, 2022, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2022, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 08, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Pineapple. It's the best fruit by a wide margin.
I don't know about that but it does go great on pizza.
But that would mean it's warm. I like it much better cut and eaten fresh.
I eat pineapple stand-alone and poki bowls cold. It's fine but I prefer oranges over pineapple in a stand-alone or cold fruit situation.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2022, 03:07:31 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 08, 2022, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2022, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 08, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Pineapple. It's the best fruit by a wide margin.
I don't know about that but it does go great on pizza.
But that would mean it's warm. I like it much better cut and eaten fresh.
I eat pineapple stand-alone and poki bowls cold. It's fine but I prefer oranges over pineapple in a stand-alone or cold fruit situation.
I don't mind oranges taste-wise, but prefer pineapple because it's less stringy and easier to eat when cut.
And canned mandarin oranges made me gag as a kid, which I think still affects my enjoyment of oranges.
Pineapple is amazing, but it gives my mouth sores more readily than other fruits.
Quote from: kphoger on December 08, 2022, 03:49:07 PM
Pineapple is amazing, but it gives my mouth sores more readily than other fruits.
It's probably the acidity that causes this, but it can vary from one pineapple to another. You can often tell right away if it's a milder one or not. I've never had mouth sores from pineapple, but it sometimes gives me mild heartburn, as do some tomato products and various other foods.
Quote from: webny99 on December 08, 2022, 04:24:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 08, 2022, 03:49:07 PM
Pineapple is amazing, but it gives my mouth sores more readily than other fruits.
It's probably the acidity that causes this, but it can vary from one pineapple to another. You can often tell right away if it's a milder one or not. I've never had mouth sores from pineapple, but it sometimes gives me mild heartburn, as do some tomato products and various other foods.
There is an enzyme in pineapple called bromelain, which is a protease, meaning it breaks apart proteins. Extracts of it are used as a meat tenderizer. In its raw state, pineapple cannot be added to gelatin because the bromelain will prevent the gelatin from setting. This enzyme is denatured with heat, so canned pineapple can be added to gelatin.
I can eat canned pineapple without ill effects, but the raw fruit eats at my mouth something fierce.
Quote from: webny99 on December 08, 2022, 04:24:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 08, 2022, 03:49:07 PM
Pineapple is amazing, but it gives my mouth sores more readily than other fruits.
It's probably the acidity that causes this, but it can vary from one pineapple to another. You can often tell right away if it's a milder one or not. I've never had mouth sores from pineapple, but it sometimes gives me mild heartburn, as do some tomato products and various other foods.
Sorta relate. The mouth sores, on me, anyway, are because I'm sort of hyper-nervous at times, and I chew on .. well, the inside of my face.
I've heard that putting salt on raw pineapple completely negates the acidic mouth corrosion it does, but I cannot verify it to be true or not.
I have mouth sores that sort of come and go with time. If I happen to be eating a pineapple at the same time I have one of those sores... let's just say you don't want to see the results.
Quote from: webny99 on December 08, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Pineapple. It's the best fruit by a wide margin.
I am not sure I'd consider it the best. There's the eat it every day test. If I ate pineapple every day I'd be sick of it in a week or two. I can eat an apple every day for months and not be sick of them.
I honestly don't know how people can eat pineapple. I can't stand it. I don't know if it's the acidity mentioned here but the couple times people have gotten me to eat it I've had to spit it out. This also means I don't like it in cakes or gummies or anything else. The only time I've been able to eat pineapple at all was in fruitcakes and trail mix, but that was in candied form and tiny pieces. I still noticed it but the other flavors removed the vile taste from my mouth quickly.
Quote from: kkt on December 10, 2022, 10:27:14 AM
Quote from: webny99 on December 08, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Pineapple. It's the best fruit by a wide margin.
I am not sure I'd consider it the best. There's the eat it every day test. If I ate pineapple every day I'd be sick of it in a week or two. I can eat an apple every day for months and not be sick of them.
I do agree I wouldn't want it every day, but I get a craving for it every once in a while.
Quote from: skluth on December 10, 2022, 11:36:17 AM
I honestly don't know how people can eat pineapple. I can't stand it. I don't know if it's the acidity mentioned here but the couple times people have gotten me to eat it I've had to spit it out. This also means I don't like it in cakes or gummies or anything else. The only time I've been able to eat pineapple at all was in fruitcakes and trail mix, but that was in candied form and tiny pieces. I still noticed it but the other flavors removed the vile taste from my mouth quickly.
I actually don't care for pineapple
flavor in other foods like gummies or candies. It's one of those flavors that translates very poorly to other foods, which makes it taste terrible and fake. But I do find pineapple delicious when it's freshly cut and chilled. To me it really doesn't have a very strong taste, maybe a bit sour, but mostly just sweet and juicy, and definitely a different experience than eating something pineapple flavored.
I like dried pineapple. Thought I hated pineapple until I had it fresh off the tree in Hawaii, though.
Grilled pineapple is way underrated. It's a great thing to have whenever grilling. The pineapple caramelizes, and more of the sweetness dominates the acidity.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on December 10, 2022, 09:44:07 PM
Grilled pineapple is way underrated. It's a great thing to have whenever grilling. The pineapple caramelizes, and more of the sweetness dominates the acidity.
Yes, I'm surprised this isn't a more common thing considering how good it is.
Quote from: Rothman on December 10, 2022, 09:11:07 PM
Thought I hated pineapple until I had it fresh off the tree in Hawaii, though.
If it came from a tree, then it wasn't a pineapple.
After you've cooked a meal on a cold day... leaving the oven door open a crack... and standing in front of it... and holding the bottom of your shirt open above the gap... and enjoying the hot air as it comes up your chest or back.
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 08:19:30 PM
After you've cooked a meal on a cold day... leaving the oven door open a crack... and standing in front of it... and holding the bottom of your shirt open above the gap... and enjoying the hot air as it comes up your chest or back.
Or take it to the extreme if you want the ultimate fresh oven experience:
Not gonna lie... After posting that, I pulled a chair up to the oven, took my slippers off, and stuck my feet inside for a while.
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 08:19:30 PM
After you've cooked a meal on a cold day... leaving the oven door open a crack... and standing in front of it... and holding the bottom of your shirt open above the gap... and enjoying the hot air as it comes up your chest or back.
I've done the opposite (enjoyed a cold blast from a fan on a hot day) much more frequently.
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 09:58:40 PM
Not gonna lie... After posting that, I pulled a chair up to the oven, took my slippers off, and stuck my feet inside for a while.
I really hope you're lying. :-D
Not having to scrape your windshield on a frigid morning is a good start to a winter day.
Having a garage is underrated
Quote from: skluth on December 21, 2022, 04:39:38 PM
Having a garage is underrated
Unfortunately, I can rarely take it with me on trips.
Quote from: formulanone on December 21, 2022, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: skluth on December 21, 2022, 04:39:38 PM
Having a garage is underrated
Unfortunately, I can rarely take it with me on trips.
I currently have a carport. It's nice but not the same thing.
Quote from: skluth on December 21, 2022, 05:09:33 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 21, 2022, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: skluth on December 21, 2022, 04:39:38 PM
Having a garage is underrated
Unfortunately, I can rarely take it with me on trips.
I currently have a carport. It's nice but not the same thing.
Gotta say, I was thrilled to move into my first house with a garage which room to fit my car. Only took me 39 years...parents just used garages as a storage facility for unused things and some tools.
My mother is finally at a point where she can fit her car in the garage and store some stuff, but three months later, it's back to being parked outside. This leads to another day of organization and the cycle repeats itself.
I don't have a garage or a basement. I would much rather take a garage over a basement. And if I'm going to push it I'll take a two-car garage because I know if I have a one car garage it's not my car that's going to be in the garage.
Quote from: formulanone on December 21, 2022, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: skluth on December 21, 2022, 05:09:33 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 21, 2022, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: skluth on December 21, 2022, 04:39:38 PM
Having a garage is underrated
Unfortunately, I can rarely take it with me on trips.
I currently have a carport. It's nice but not the same thing.
Gotta say, I was thrilled to move into my first house with a garage which room to fit my car. Only took me 39 years...parents just used garages as a storage facility for unused things and some tools.
My mother is finally at a point where she can fit her car in the garage and store some stuff, but three months later, it's back to being parked outside. This leads to another day of organization and the cycle repeats itself.
A garage is even better if you can fill it with cool stuff:
https://flic.kr/p/2o7bpfA
MMM's posts.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 07:15:27 PM
MMM's posts.
You're really making me bring this one back again.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2022, 05:33:28 PM
A garage is even better if you can fill it with cool stuff:
https://flic.kr/p/2o7bpfA
That should be a test case for autonomous driving software. "All right, car, where are we right now?"
Quote from: kurumi on December 21, 2022, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2022, 05:33:28 PM
A garage is even better if you can fill it with cool stuff:
https://flic.kr/p/2o7bpfA
That should be a test case for autonomous driving software. "All right, car, where are we right now?"
Perhaps not so much a coincidence that it is home to the most technologically divorced performance car money could buy in modern times?
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 21, 2022, 10:30:29 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 07:15:27 PM
MMM's posts.
You're really making me bring this one back again.
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Self participation trophy.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2022, 10:51:17 PM
Quote from: kurumi on December 21, 2022, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2022, 05:33:28 PM
A garage is even better if you can fill it with cool stuff:
https://flic.kr/p/2o7bpfA
That should be a test case for autonomous driving software. "All right, car, where are we right now?"
Perhaps not so much a coincidence that it is home to the most technologically divorced performance car money could buy in modern times?
I don't know if there's any merit to this, but I've always been skeptical of cars that look like they should be more expensive than they are. The Charger falls in that category for me.
Quote from: thspfc on December 21, 2022, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2022, 10:51:17 PM
Quote from: kurumi on December 21, 2022, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2022, 05:33:28 PM
A garage is even better if you can fill it with cool stuff:
https://flic.kr/p/2o7bpfA
That should be a test case for autonomous driving software. "All right, car, where are we right now?"
Perhaps not so much a coincidence that it is home to the most technologically divorced performance car money could buy in modern times?
I don't know if there's any merit to this, but I've always been skeptical of cars that look like they should be more expensive than they are. The Charger falls in that category for me.
I mean, the LX platform literally is just a repurposed older Mercedes E Class platform. There certainly wasn't much expensive about it, the MSRP was about 34k before tax, title, license.
Porn
Quote from: kirbykart on December 22, 2022, 08:34:33 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 07:15:27 PM
MMM's posts.
No.
Most of your proposals are stupid AF.
Hence:
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 07:15:27 PM
MMM's posts.
Wrong thread. Quick, someone not as lazy as me find a link to the "overrated" thread.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 22, 2022, 09:31:17 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 07:15:27 PM
MMM's posts.
Wrong thread. Quick, someone not as lazy as me find a link to the "overrated" thread.
Forum search, second result.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31429
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 22, 2022, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 22, 2022, 09:39:38 AM
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Quote from: abefroman329 on December 22, 2022, 03:35:32 AM
Porn
This needs to be subcategorized.
Why?
You can name your specific fetish. Whereas others just want to see boobs.
That's why porn in general is underrated. Imagine if you were living 100 years ago and the only thing that got you off was cakefarts. Your undrained testicles would have killed you.
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 08:19:30 PM
After you've cooked a meal on a cold day... leaving the oven door open a crack... and standing in front of it... and holding the bottom of your shirt open above the gap... and enjoying the hot air as it comes up your chest or back.
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 09:58:40 PM
Not gonna lie... After posting that, I pulled a chair up to the oven, took my slippers off, and stuck my feet inside for a while.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 21, 2022, 12:10:55 AM
I really hope you're lying. :-D
Ummm... No... Why? It's not like I set my heels down on the heating element or anything.
When you totally fat-finger a word. Like, multiple letters in the same word. And yet it still ends up being right, because the keyboard only registered the keys you intended to press.
Eating an icicle.
Quote from: kphoger on December 22, 2022, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 08:19:30 PM
After you've cooked a meal on a cold day... leaving the oven door open a crack... and standing in front of it... and holding the bottom of your shirt open above the gap... and enjoying the hot air as it comes up your chest or back.
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 09:58:40 PM
Not gonna lie... After posting that, I pulled a chair up to the oven, took my slippers off, and stuck my feet inside for a while.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 21, 2022, 12:10:55 AM
I really hope you're lying. :-D
Ummm... No... Why? It's not like I set my heels down on the heating element or anything.
Your clarification doesn't do as much as you might have hoped. :-D
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 22, 2022, 08:36:55 AM
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I keep reading this as Obama #2 going "Mmm", like the sound one makes when eating something tasty, or perhaps a sound of neutrality/disagreement with Obama #1.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2022, 05:40:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 22, 2022, 08:36:55 AM
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I keep reading this as Obama #2 going "Mmm", like the sound one makes when eating something tasty, or perhaps a sound of neutrality/disagreement with Obama #1.
I hear classic YouTube Poops:
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 22, 2022, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 22, 2022, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 08:19:30 PM
After you've cooked a meal on a cold day... leaving the oven door open a crack... and standing in front of it... and holding the bottom of your shirt open above the gap... and enjoying the hot air as it comes up your chest or back.
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 09:58:40 PM
Not gonna lie... After posting that, I pulled a chair up to the oven, took my slippers off, and stuck my feet inside for a while.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 21, 2022, 12:10:55 AM
I really hope you're lying. :-D
Ummm... No... Why? It's not like I set my heels down on the heating element or anything.
Your clarification doesn't do as much as you might have hoped. :-D
*shrug* whatever
My toesies warmed up.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2022, 05:40:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 22, 2022, 08:36:55 AM
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I keep reading this as Obama #2 going "Mmm", like the sound one makes when eating something tasty, or perhaps a sound of neutrality/disagreement with Obama #1.
It's the "tasty" meaning. Obviously, Obama is sexually attracted to himself. I mean, can you blame him?
Quote from: kphoger on December 22, 2022, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2022, 05:40:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 22, 2022, 08:36:55 AM
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I keep reading this as Obama #2 going "Mmm", like the sound one makes when eating something tasty, or perhaps a sound of neutrality/disagreement with Obama #1.
It's the "tasty" meaning. Obviously, Obama is sexually attracted to himself. I mean, can you blame him?
Floating around on the Internet are some pictures of the Obama family on a trip to the beach not too long after he left office. The former President was in far better shape than I am, which is honestly pretty impressive considering he had the most time-consuming job in the world for 8 years.
Although, you might reconsider the implications of your joke if you recognize the source photo of that meme–Obama #1 was created by using Photoshop to graft Obama's head onto the
current president's body.
Quote from: kphoger on December 22, 2022, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 22, 2022, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 22, 2022, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 08:19:30 PM
After you've cooked a meal on a cold day... leaving the oven door open a crack... and standing in front of it... and holding the bottom of your shirt open above the gap... and enjoying the hot air as it comes up your chest or back.
Quote from: kphoger on December 20, 2022, 09:58:40 PM
Not gonna lie... After posting that, I pulled a chair up to the oven, took my slippers off, and stuck my feet inside for a while.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 21, 2022, 12:10:55 AM
I really hope you're lying. :-D
Ummm... No... Why? It's not like I set my heels down on the heating element or anything.
Your clarification doesn't do as much as you might have hoped. :-D
*shrug* whatever
My toesies warmed up.
I mean, this is not the first thing I've learned you do that I find gross. There's also the dental stuff and so on.
Fruitcake.
I'm seriously beginning to think that the majority of people who bash fruitcake have never actually eaten it. Fruitcake–especially anything other than the ubiquitous Claxton brick–is awesome.
I'm lactose intolerant so I can't really eat many sugar foods. I like salty foods more. Even cheese gets to me sometimes. Cake is my least favorite sugary food tho.
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 01:29:24 PM
Fruitcake.
I'm seriously beginning to think that the majority of people who bash fruitcake have never actually eaten it. Fruitcake–especially anything other than the ubiquitous Claxton brick–is awesome.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:03:39 PM
I'm lactose intolerant so I can't really eat many sugar foods. I like salty foods more. Even cheese gets to me sometimes. Cake is my least favorite sugary food tho.
Cake is one of my less-favorite desserts as well, but I'll take fruitcake over certain other kinds of cake.
This is what I assume is happening:
(https://i.imgur.com/jnaFZQz.png)
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 01:29:24 PM
Fruitcake.
Is there special fruitcake for no-nut-November?
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 02:53:08 PM
This is what I assume is happening:
(https://i.imgur.com/jnaFZQz.png)
I think it's a function of fruitcake being a holiday food. That means that a lot of people's only exposure to fruitcake is one made by someone who has no business baking a cake of any sort. You know the situation...Aunt Martha has baked the fruitcake for the past 32 Christmases and nobody has the heart to tell her she sucks at it, so she never gets better at it...or worse, someone did and she keeps baking the damn things the same way anyway because the fruitcake is Her Contribution To Christmas.
(We have the same situation with the turkey in my family. I have an aunt who Does The Turkey every year for Thanksgiving. I used to think that I didn't like turkey all that much because it was basically just dried-out chicken. One year my mom couldn't get ham for Christmas and just did turkey again, and it turns out her turkey is actually way better than my aunt's. So yeah, I like turkey, it's just that my aunt can't make it worth a damn.)
And of course, once that happens and people start having their own Christmases without Aunt Martha there, everyone just kind of tacitly agrees that's one holiday tradition they don't really need to continue. So then the next generation doesn't have any exposure to fruitcake other than tales about how bad it is.
Also, given the color scheme and rounded rectangular border, your diagram parses as a recreational sign to me. Boy, that would be a weird sign to find in a national park.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 30, 2022, 06:06:45 PMWe have the same situation with the turkey in my family. I have an aunt who Does The Turkey every year for Thanksgiving. I used to think that I didn't like turkey all that much because it was basically just dried-out chicken. One year my mom couldn't get ham for Christmas and just did turkey again, and it turns out her turkey is actually way better than my aunt's. So yeah, I like turkey, it's just that my aunt can't make it worth a damn.
For most families, a whole turkey is a once- or twice-a-year dish, which adds to the problem by making it harder to iron out deficiencies through practice.
I've had good luck rescuing dried-out turkey by slathering it with drippings, but as a general rule, it's better to have the bird moist out of the oven.
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 01:29:24 PM
Fruitcake.
I'm seriously beginning to think that the majority of people who bash fruitcake have never actually eaten it. Fruitcake–especially anything other than the ubiquitous Claxton brick–is awesome.
I've had some fruitcake. There is some fruitcake that is not as awful as others.
None of it is worth eating on a good taste vs. calories and fat tradeoff.
Quote from: J N Winkler on December 30, 2022, 06:51:01 PM
For most families, a whole turkey is a once- or twice-a-year dish, which adds to the problem by making it harder to iron out deficiencies through practice.
I've had good luck rescuing dried-out turkey by slathering it with drippings, but as a general rule, it's better to have the bird moist out of the oven.
I asked my mom what she did differently than my aunt, and she said she just leaves it in for longer at a lower temperature. Having experimented myself, I can confirm that it leads to juicier poultry.
So I'm guessing the stress and having to have the turkey ready on a specific schedule is also a reason for dry turkey. (In my family, Thanksgiving is the big holiday everyone's in town for–Christmas is a more leisurely "just wander over sometime between X and Y time" type affair. Case in point, the first proposed time for this year's Christmas get together fell through, and we haven't gotten around to rescheduling. My guess is it'll be some Thursday in January, or perhaps be delayed to coincide with someone's February birthday.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 30, 2022, 06:06:45 PM
Also, given the color scheme and rounded rectangular border, your diagram parses as a recreational sign to me. Boy, that would be a weird sign to find in a national park.
Something like this, maybe:
(https://i.imgur.com/9OBaH02.png)
:-D
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 01:29:24 PM
Fruitcake.
I'm seriously beginning to think that the majority of people who bash fruitcake have never actually eaten it. Fruitcake–especially anything other than the ubiquitous Claxton brick–is awesome.
Both my grandmothers made awesome fruitcakes. After they got them baked, they'd put them in a sealed container with a glass of bourbon so the cake would soak up some of the flavor. Now, I admit I can't drink bourbon anymore after an unfortunate incident back in the late 1980s that involved copious amounts of vomiting, but something about the bourbon-tinged fruitcakes my grandmothers made was pretty tasty.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:03:39 PM
I'm lactose intolerant so I can't really eat many sugar foods. I like salty foods more. Even cheese gets to me sometimes. Cake is my least favorite sugary food tho.
Huh? I'd definitely expect cheese to bother someone who is lactose-intolerant, since cheese is basically milk in solid form, but cake or sugary foods?
I think the transportation system in Orlando is underrated. With the thousands of tourists visiting, they should implement a light rail from Orlando Airport to International Drive where the major hotels are.
Apparently Rental Car Companies, John Morgan of his egotistical law firm Morgan and Morgan, and Disney pressured lawmakers and citizens not to pursue. For rental cars they lose millions. For Morgan he ran ads saying crime would come to the tourist areas if a link to the city were possible as well as Lynx, the country’s worst transit company was chosen to manage it. Disney of course wants all Orlando tourists to stay at their many resorts and don’t want a rail line creating I Drive more of a competitor to them than they already are.
Florida's straight roads are underrated.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
Florida's straight roads are underrated.
I could do without needing to reclinch SR 471, and about two dozen others.
^^^
Probably the most interesting road I ever found in the Green Swamp was Clay Sink Road. About the only place in the entire state that has somewhat interesting hilly and curvy roads is on the Brooksville Ridge.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
Florida's straight roads are underrated.
Florida is in a competition with Illinois over who has the most flat and boring roads (spoken as former Florida and Illinois resident).
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
Florida's straight roads are underrated.
Florida is in a competition with Illinois over who has the most flat and boring roads (spoken as former Florida and Illinois resident).
Florida is flatter but I feel the scenery is more varied than Illinois.
To be fair, there's a lot of states which have plenty of one-and-thankfully-done clinches.
Quote from: formulanone on December 31, 2022, 11:58:36 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
Florida's straight roads are underrated.
Florida is in a competition with Illinois over who has the most flat and boring roads (spoken as former Florida and Illinois resident).
Florida is flatter but I feel the scenery is more varied than Illinois.
Florida does have the better lot of scenic roads than Illinois does. Like you said, there is some decent variances to the scenery in Florida, just not much in the way of anything with hills.
I like Florida roads cause you make great time on them. Unlike Vermont where to go one mile on VT 30 takes forever as the curves prevent you from seeing just how far a mile can be.
Don't knock the roads in Florida as they're highways and not numbers assigned to back roads like in Vermont. The latter you have freeways and two lane winding roads where in Florida you have freeways and off freeway highways.
Florida keeps you looking at the scenery because of the threat of Alligators.
Illinois keeps you looking at the scenery because you're just hoping to see a sign showing how many miles until the next state.
^^^
The alligators are amusingly not very threatening. My wife was terrified of them when I took her to Everglades National Park last year. They usually just sit around ignoring everyone and run away if disturbed (not a recommendation to attempt).
Quote from: roadman65 on December 31, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
I like Florida roads cause you make great time on them. Unlike Vermont where to go one mile on VT 30 takes forever as the curves prevent you from seeing just how far a mile can be.
Don't knock the roads in Florida as they're highways and not numbers assigned to back roads like in Vermont. The latter you have freeways and two lane winding roads where in Florida you have freeways and off freeway highways.
I don't know, I would be lying if I did say a lack of mountainous geography wasn't a major motivation to for me to get back to the west coast from Florida. I also happen to be the kind of guy who would rather go see how fast a mountain grade could be driven than beeline through Alligator Alley. In Florida even the dirt roads are generally as straight as can be (example: Everglades Loop Road).
OneRepublic is heavily underrated.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 11:56:52 AM
^^^
Probably the most interesting road I ever found in the Green Swamp was Clay Sink Road. About the only place in the entire state that has somewhat interesting hilly and curvy roads is on the Brooksville Ridge.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
Florida's straight roads are underrated.
Florida is in a competition with Illinois over who has the most flat and boring roads (spoken as former Florida and Illinois resident).
Yeah but they have long straight sections and many of them are 3+ lanes wide in each directions for long stretches. Florida Turnpike is good without even being part of the interstate highway system!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 12:36:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 11:56:52 AM
^^^
Probably the most interesting road I ever found in the Green Swamp was Clay Sink Road. About the only place in the entire state that has somewhat interesting hilly and curvy roads is on the Brooksville Ridge.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
Florida's straight roads are underrated.
Florida is in a competition with Illinois over who has the most flat and boring roads (spoken as former Florida and Illinois resident).
Yeah but they have long straight sections and many of them are 3+ lanes wide in each directions for long stretches. Florida Turnpike is good without even being part of the interstate highway system!
Florida's Turnpike is about as boring as it gets. When I went TD to Key West from Orlando I would go out of my way to avoid the bulk the Turnpike via:
- County Road 15
- US 441-US 192
- US 192
- FL 70
- FL 710
- SE 86th Blvd
- US 98-US 441
- FL 715
- FL 80
- US 27
The above route would get me down to the Turnpike Extension and would avoid almost all the tolls. There was plenty of places to stop along the road and they cost less than the Turnpike Plazas. Give me some back country peace and quiet any day over the Turnpike, even if it cost me an hour drive time. Now that FL 997 is widened if I still lived in Orlando I could even cutoff the Turnpike Extension and have it be viable.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 12:36:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 11:56:52 AM
^^^
Probably the most interesting road I ever found in the Green Swamp was Clay Sink Road. About the only place in the entire state that has somewhat interesting hilly and curvy roads is on the Brooksville Ridge.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
Florida's straight roads are underrated.
Florida is in a competition with Illinois over who has the most flat and boring roads (spoken as former Florida and Illinois resident).
Yeah but they have long straight sections and many of them are 3+ lanes wide in each directions for long stretches. Florida Turnpike is good without even being part of the interstate highway system!
Florida's Turnpike is about as boring as it gets. When I went TD to Key West from Orlando I would go out of my way to avoid the bulk the Turnpike via:
- County Road 15
- US 441-US 192
- US 192
- FL 70
- FL 710
- SE 86th Blvd
- US 98-US 441
- FL 715
- FL 80
- US 27
The above route would get me down to the Turnpike Extension and would avoid almost all the tolls. There was plenty of places to stop along the road and they cost less than the Turnpike Plazas. Give me some back country peace and quiet any day over the Turnpike, even if it cost me an hour drive time. Now that FL 997 is widened if I still lived in Orlando I could even cutoff the Turnpike Extension and have it be viable.
I'd usually wind up going through Okeechobee (the city) because we'd need gas/food/bathroom breaks.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 30, 2022, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:03:39 PM
I'm lactose intolerant so I can't really eat many sugar foods. I like salty foods more. Even cheese gets to me sometimes. Cake is my least favorite sugary food tho.
Huh? I'd definitely expect cheese to bother someone who is lactose-intolerant, since cheese is basically milk in solid form, but cake or sugary foods?
There's often butter in cake and many frostings. I also like to use milk instead of any water if I use a commercial cake mix.
Quote from: formulanone on December 31, 2022, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 12:36:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 11:56:52 AM
^^^
Probably the most interesting road I ever found in the Green Swamp was Clay Sink Road. About the only place in the entire state that has somewhat interesting hilly and curvy roads is on the Brooksville Ridge.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
Florida's straight roads are underrated.
Florida is in a competition with Illinois over who has the most flat and boring roads (spoken as former Florida and Illinois resident).
Yeah but they have long straight sections and many of them are 3+ lanes wide in each directions for long stretches. Florida Turnpike is good without even being part of the interstate highway system!
Florida's Turnpike is about as boring as it gets. When I went TD to Key West from Orlando I would go out of my way to avoid the bulk the Turnpike via:
- County Road 15
- US 441-US 192
- US 192
- FL 70
- FL 710
- SE 86th Blvd
- US 98-US 441
- FL 715
- FL 80
- US 27
The above route would get me down to the Turnpike Extension and would avoid almost all the tolls. There was plenty of places to stop along the road and they cost less than the Turnpike Plazas. Give me some back country peace and quiet any day over the Turnpike, even if it cost me an hour drive time. Now that FL 997 is widened if I still lived in Orlando I could even cutoff the Turnpike Extension and have it be viable.
I'd usually wind up going through Okeechobee (the city) because we'd need gas/food/bathroom breaks.
Usually I would stop at Paul Rardin Park for a rest stop on FL 715. My car had the fuel range to make it all the way between Orlando-Key West on a single tank.
Quote from: kkt on December 30, 2022, 07:13:21 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 01:29:24 PM
Fruitcake.
I'm seriously beginning to think that the majority of people who bash fruitcake have never actually eaten it. Fruitcake–especially anything other than the ubiquitous Claxton brick–is awesome.
I've had some fruitcake. There is some fruitcake that is not as awful as others.
None of it is worth eating on a good taste vs. calories and fat tradeoff.
That's basically my take on fruitcake. I don't hate it. I don't love it. It's like fudge in that I can eat about one cubic inch of it and that's all I want. That one bite is good but I really don't want another because it's just so dense.
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 01:29:24 PM
Fruitcake.
I'm seriously beginning to think that the majority of people who bash fruitcake have never actually eaten it.
This is true of most things people bash on the internet.
How many times have people said "I don't live near/I have never had (name the issue), but if I did, I would never go there/have it".
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 22, 2022, 01:21:14 PM
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Quote from: abefroman329 on December 22, 2022, 03:35:32 AM
Porn
This needs to be subcategorized.
Why?
You can name your specific fetish. Whereas others just want to see boobs.
That's why porn in general is underrated. Imagine if you were living 100 years ago and the only thing that got you off was cakefarts. Your undrained testicles would have killed you.
I am truly scared to google 'cakefarts'.
nose-boops from the cat.
*drops mic*
Black coffee
Quote from: kirbykart on January 01, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Black coffee
Same. I always drink my coffee black after finding out that adding too much cream and sugar made it taste more watered down.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on January 01, 2023, 08:51:34 AM
nose-boops from the cat.
*drops mic*
Or the cat pushes the mic off the counter
Here's one:
When you pass a car on a roadtrip, then exit for a short food/fuel/restroom stop, then re-enter and pass that same car again within the next hour or two. Trips can feel long at times but at least then you know it could be worse. :sombrero:
How would you know you passed the same car?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 01, 2023, 08:14:04 PM
How would you know you passed the same car?
... by looking out the window?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 01, 2023, 08:14:04 PM
How would you know you passed the same car?
I had something similar happen. The car had a unique paint job.
Quote from: webny99 on January 01, 2023, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 01, 2023, 08:14:04 PM
How would you know you passed the same car?
... by looking out the window?
Exactly. On road trips, it's interesting what other vehicles you take notice of -- especially if you get into a game of leap frog with them. They don't have to stick out of the crowd appearance-wise.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 01, 2023, 08:14:04 PM
How would you know you passed the same car?
Personalized plate? Distinctive bumper stickers? Hot chick driving?
One year driving to Florida, we passed the same VW bug several times. Being a family, our bathroom breaks were longer and more often than the single driver. The younger kids in the family made a sign to show out the back window of the station wagon, a "Florida or bust" kind of thing. He waited for us at his exit in GA with a sign of his own, telling us he was a GI going home for the holidays.
He must be going real slow if you can still manage to pass him after a half hour rest stop (unless he stopped at a different area around the same time).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 11:43:40 AM
He must be going real slow if you can still manage to pass him after a half hour rest stop (unless he stopped at a different area around the same time).
I experienced this on Florida's Turnpike a few days ago. I'm pretty sure we both stopped at one rest area at different times.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 12:17:46 PM
^^^
The alligators are amusingly not very threatening. My wife was terrified of them when I took her to Everglades National Park last year. They usually just sit around ignoring everyone and run away if disturbed (not a recommendation to attempt).
Quote from: roadman65 on December 31, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
I like Florida roads cause you make great time on them. Unlike Vermont where to go one mile on VT 30 takes forever as the curves prevent you from seeing just how far a mile can be.
Don't knock the roads in Florida as they're highways and not numbers assigned to back roads like in Vermont. The latter you have freeways and two lane winding roads where in Florida you have freeways and off freeway highways.
I don't know, I would be lying if I did say a lack of mountainous geography wasn't a major motivation to for me to get back to the west coast from Florida. I also happen to be the kind of guy who would rather go see how fast a mountain grade could be driven than beeline through Alligator Alley. In Florida even the dirt roads are generally as straight as can be (example: Everglades Loop Road).
At least California still makes highways out of mountain roads unlike Vermont that has all back roads. Then Connecticut has no off freeway highways, but suburban arterials. I don't even think the speed limit on US 1 exceeds 45 mph. If it reaches 45 it's most likely in Middlesex County as through Groton and Stoningham in New London County the maximum speed is 35 due to suburban residences the entire way. I'm a most certain too that from New York to New Haven the average speed limit on US 1 is 35 and most likely 40 is the max.
Quote from: J N Winkler on December 30, 2022, 06:51:01 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 30, 2022, 06:06:45 PM
We have the same situation with the turkey in my family. I have an aunt who Does The Turkey every year for Thanksgiving. I used to think that I didn't like turkey all that much because it was basically just dried-out chicken. One year my mom couldn't get ham for Christmas and just did turkey again, and it turns out her turkey is actually way better than my aunt's. So yeah, I like turkey, it's just that my aunt can't make it worth a damn.
For most families, a whole turkey is a once- or twice-a-year dish, which adds to the problem by making it harder to iron out deficiencies through practice.
I've had good luck rescuing dried-out turkey by slathering it with drippings, but as a general rule, it's better to have the bird moist out of the oven.
The first time my wife and I ever cooked a whole turkey, we weren't even married yet. My roommate's family was in town from Mexico, and we decided to cook a traditional Thanksgiving dinner for them. Talk about pressure! Fortunately, the turkey turned out perfectly. I think we've only cooked a whole turkey once or twice since then. I specifically remember cooking two of them in the church kitchen for a Thanksgiving fellowship for people in our age group. That's when we bought a pair of meat thermometers, because the risk is just too great for big get-togethers.
The key to cooking a turkey properly is to either break it down and cook the different parts at different times, to sous vide the broken down bird, or to at least cook the whole thing "upside down" so that the breast meat is actually moist. I have zero idea why most people gravitate towards the white meat in a traditionally cooked turkey. The meat has the texture of slightly moist sawdust.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 10:11:15 AM
The key to cooking a turkey properly is to either break it down and cook the different parts at different times, to sous vide the broken down bird, or to at least cook the whole thing "upside down" so that the breast meat is actually moist. I have zero idea why most people gravitate towards the white meat in a traditionally cooked turkey. The meat has the texture of slightly moist sawdust.
If the white meat has the texture of sawdust, you're doing it wrong.
Quote from: Rothman on January 04, 2023, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 10:11:15 AM
The key to cooking a turkey properly is to either break it down and cook the different parts at different times, to sous vide the broken down bird, or to at least cook the whole thing "upside down" so that the breast meat is actually moist. I have zero idea why most people gravitate towards the white meat in a traditionally cooked turkey. The meat has the texture of slightly moist sawdust.
If the white meat has the texture of sawdust, you're doing it wrong.
Or you waited 16 seconds too long before taking it out.
Quote from: Rothman on January 04, 2023, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 10:11:15 AM
The key to cooking a turkey properly is to either break it down and cook the different parts at different times, to sous vide the broken down bird, or to at least cook the whole thing "upside down" so that the breast meat is actually moist. I have zero idea why most people gravitate towards the white meat in a traditionally cooked turkey. The meat has the texture of slightly moist sawdust.
If the white meat has the texture of sawdust, you're doing it wrong.
100% what I'm saying. If you cook a turkey breast side up in an oven, you're doing it wrong.
Quote from: GaryV on January 02, 2023, 07:29:06 AM
One year driving to Florida, we passed the same VW bug several times. Being a family, our bathroom breaks were longer and more often than the single driver. The younger kids in the family made a sign to show out the back window of the station wagon, a "Florida or bust" kind of thing. He waited for us at his exit in GA with a sign of his own, telling us he was a GI going home for the holidays.
I usually enjoy repassing cars and trucks after a rest stop. It's like running across an old buddy.
What I don't like is when repassing cars and trucks during a continuous stretch of driving. Which happened, I remember, when I was driving to Knoxville during the eclipse of 2017. It was pretty early in the morning, so early it was still dark out, and there were few cars on the road. I had my cruise control set on 74 like I usually do, and I passed a car going about 52. Then, a few minutes later, it flew by me, going at least 90. And then up the road a bit, I passed it again only to get passed once more. This went on for a while, long enough for me to memorize the license plate, and it annoyed me to no end.
My theory is that the driver of this car was a "hypermiler," trying to get the absolute maximum gas mileage out of the car, although it could have just been someone with poor speed perception.
In any case, now that I think about it, it's perhaps curious that there's not really anyone on this forum who's into hypermiling. It seems to be it's own separate driving niche.
I hypermile. It actually works. I get up to 37 mpg vs my usual 27.5. I'm that guy who coasts up to red lights at 15 mph and taps the gas as lightly as possible to maintain speed and accelerate. My best run was 431 miles without getting gas and I still had 2 or 3 gallons left.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 01:08:17 PM
My best run was 431 miles without getting gas and I still had 2 or 3 gallons left.
This is meaningless without context. What year, make, and model of car do you drive?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 01:33:03 PM
15.5 gallon tank.
Difficult to answer questions with the actual information that was requested?
What's your address? Milk.
There's enough information here already, actually, since he says he typically gets 27.5 MPG. That plus the tank size is a good enough substitute for car specifications.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 01:40:52 PM
A 4 door Grey colored car that was bought sometime in the 2000s. Manufactured on Earth. I usually don't give personal information online but you guys are cool so...
I mean, to each their own. But if I told you I drive a grey, 2019 Jeep Wrangler, will anything bad happen? What if I specify it's
dark grey? You live in a megalopolis of 52 million people. Pretty sure you're not doing any identifying of yourself if you happened to answer 2009 Toyota Corolla or something of that ilk.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 01:45:54 PM
52 million people.
There are 2.9 million Long Islanders outside Queens and Brooklyn. I estimate that 1/100 of them are 23-year-old males. That leaves 29,000. There are probably other things that can narrow it down (e.g. living closer to I-495 than NY 27, not being registered with a political party, etc.)
Quote from: 1 on January 04, 2023, 01:41:02 PM
There's enough information here already, actually, since he says he typically gets 27.5 MPG. That plus the tank size is a good enough substitute for car specifications.
No, it isn't. A person who usually drives with a lead foot might call "good fuel economy" what the rest of us just call "average".
I do think twice before I give up year, make, and model. I don't mind that people know I drive a 1994 Saturn SL2, but if I were driving a new car with a MSRP north of about $25,000, I'd be concerned about coming across as bragging.
It seems to me that in the absence of year, make, and model, it should be possible to have a meaningful discussion simply by citing tank capacity and EPA mileage ratings (including both old and new ratings if the vehicle is old enough to have been manufactured before the EPA recalibrated).
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 04, 2023, 02:27:14 PM
It seems to me that in the absence of year, make, and model, it should be possible to have a meaningful discussion simply by citing tank capacity and EPA mileage ratings ...
That's what I was going for.
Quote from: 1 on January 04, 2023, 01:52:37 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 01:45:54 PM
52 million people.
There are 2.9 million Long Islanders outside Queens and Brooklyn. I estimate that 1/100 of them are 23-year-old males. That leaves 29,000. There are probably other things that can narrow it down (e.g. living closer to I-495 than NY 27, not being registered with a political party, etc.)
And that would give me 29,000 chances not to give a shit about who a particular poster is. I mean,
kphoger has found newspaper/magazine articles about me -- probably had my picture. I'm not too worried about anyone on this board having a crush.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 02:37:58 PM
I mean, kphoger has found newspaper/magazine articles about me -- probably had my picture. I'm not too worried about anyone on this board having a crush.
To be fair, you did invite me over to your house for
boquerones and gin. How else could I find my way over? :wave:
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 02:37:58 PM
I mean, kphoger has found newspaper/magazine articles about me -- probably had my picture. I'm not too worried about anyone on this board having a crush.
To be fair, you did invite me over to your house for boquerones and gin. How else could I find my way over? :wave:
I mean, both of those things are pretty aromatic.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 02:37:58 PM
I mean, kphoger has found newspaper/magazine articles about me -- probably had my picture. I'm not too worried about anyone on this board having a crush.
To be fair, you did invite me over to your house for boquerones and gin. How else could I find my way over? :wave:
I mean, both of those things are pretty aromatic.
So I should just head over to Meadowood and... what? I don't own a congener detector.
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 04:23:19 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2023, 02:37:58 PM
I mean, kphoger has found newspaper/magazine articles about me -- probably had my picture. I'm not too worried about anyone on this board having a crush.
To be fair, you did invite me over to your house for boquerones and gin. How else could I find my way over? :wave:
I mean, both of those things are pretty aromatic.
So I should just head over to Meadowood and... what? I don't own a congener detector.
Clearly look for the Jeep I referenced earlier.
I guess I could have done that. Assuming it wasn't in your garage.
Then again, when I was in the area this past summer, I didn't have the free time (or my own vehicle) to pay you a visit.
For what it's worth, I've posted my actual address on this forum at least twice–yet I'm still waiting for |tolbs17| to send me the check he promised ten months ago.
What are you going to do, sign me up for a health supplement subscription?
Call me old fashioned, I guess. I grew up being able to just look up anyone's address and phone number in a book that was delivered to your front door for free and updated every year.
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 04:58:10 PMFor what it's worth, I've posted my actual address on this forum at least twice–yet I'm still waiting for |tolbs17| to send me the check he promised ten months ago.
What are you going to do, sign me up for a health supplement subscription?
Call me old fashioned, I guess. I grew up being able to just look up anyone's address and phone number in a book that was delivered to your front door for free and updated every year.
I remember the old White Pages. I also remember that if you wanted to look up someone in another city, you had to go to the library to pull a phone book or city directory for that town, and people's ages (and family members not residing at the same address) were not printed. Whitepages.com is more of a data broker; much of the friction inherent in the process of gathering personal information about others that existed as late as the mid-1990's is now gone. Big Tech has never had the economic incentive, let alone the ethical constraint, to restrict the amount of personal data it hoovers up--often with unpredictable impacts on society at large.
Many people now consider looking up a person's profile on Facebook to be stalking. I've even had people suggest that going to a Facebook friend's profile (i.e., information you already have access to through the friend relationship) to look up his or her recent posts, rather than simply reading them as they appear in your own feed (or not, as the algorithm decides), is also stalking.
The Illinois Capital Building is underrated. Springfield is a pretty dull city, but the capital building is one of the most amazing buildings I have ever seen!
Quote from: kirbykart on January 06, 2023, 09:52:09 AM
The Illinois Capital Building is underrated. Springfield is a pretty dull city, but the capital building is one of the most amazing buildings I have ever seen!
Many of the Texans I know like to think that the capitol in Austin is the tallest of the state capitol buildings, but it isn't. There are five that are taller, including that of Illinois. Also Kansas, for what it's worth.
Global Warming. Winter is just too damn cold in the NorthEast.
I love when you makes the jokes for me. Totally underrated time saver.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:25:24 PM
Global Warming. Winter is just too damn cold in the NorthEast.
You sure you're not kernals12?
Quote from: kirbykart on January 06, 2023, 01:34:09 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:25:24 PM
Global Warming. Winter is just too damn cold in the NorthEast.
You sure you're not kernals12?
Unlikely, I've never seen him complaining about tripping on sidewalks.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 06, 2023, 01:47:51 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on January 06, 2023, 01:34:09 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:25:24 PM
Global Warming. Winter is just too damn cold in the NorthEast.
You sure you're not kernals12?
Unlikely, I've never seen him complaining about tripping on sidewalks.
I could have missed it, but I don't think I've seen any whining about public transit either.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 06, 2023, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 06, 2023, 01:47:51 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on January 06, 2023, 01:34:09 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:25:24 PM
Global Warming. Winter is just too damn cold in the NorthEast.
You sure you're not kernals12?
Unlikely, I've never seen him complaining about tripping on sidewalks.
I could have missed it, but I don't think I've seen any whining about public transit either.
Or complaining about how his Dad got run out of the San Francisco Bay Area.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 06, 2023, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 06, 2023, 01:47:51 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on January 06, 2023, 01:34:09 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:25:24 PM
Global Warming. Winter is just too damn cold in the NorthEast.
You sure you're not kernals12?
Unlikely, I've never seen him complaining about tripping on sidewalks.
I could have missed it, but I don't think I've seen any whining about public transit either.
I don't have multiple accounts here if that's what he's implying. I prefer driving over mass transit though.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 06, 2023, 02:01:44 PM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:25:24 PM
Global Warming. Winter is just too damn cold in the NorthEast.
You sure you're not kernals12?
Unlikely, I've never seen him complaining about tripping on sidewalks.
I could have missed it, but I don't think I've seen any whining about public transit either.
I don't have multiple accounts here if that's what he's implying. I prefer driving over mass transit though.
Question, were you roasted once on an episode of City Nerd?
What's that? I have never nee featured on any TV show. Hopefully one day in the future when I finalize my interstate highway extensions and publish them, maybe.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 03:35:09 PM
What's that? I have never nee featured on any TV show. Hopefully one day in the future when I finalize my interstate highway extensions and publish them, maybe.
Which TV show will that be?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 06, 2023, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 03:35:09 PM
What's that? I have never nee featured on any TV show. Hopefully one day in the future when I finalize my interstate highway extensions and publish them, maybe.
Which TV show will that be?
MultiMillionMiler's Mumblings: Mondays at Midnight (11 central) only on Disney Channel.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 03:35:09 PM
What's that? I have never nee featured on any TV show. Hopefully one day in the future when I finalize my interstate highway extensions and publish them, maybe.
Which TV show will that be?
MultiMillionMiler's Mumblings: Mondays at Midnight (11 central) only on Disney Channel.
MMMMMM as the cool kids call it.
Either 60 minutes or the CBS evening news.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 04:04:17 PM
Either 60 minutes or the CBS evening news.
Any reason only CBS and not ABC nor NBC?
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 04:04:17 PM
Either 60 minutes or the CBS evening news.
Any reason only CBS and not ABC nor NBC?
You're right should be ABC instead of "See BS".
-- Two-star reviews. A great way to indicate you had a bad experience while maintaining perspective rarely found with one-star reviews.
One star review for a two dimensional thinker.
Olive Garden lunch specials. Actually worth paying for unlike their dinner.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 06, 2023, 04:40:54 PM
One star review for a two dimensional thinker.
Review me on Google
here!
I was referring to the Space Cowboy who thinks helicopters should patrol I-70.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:25:24 PM
Global Warming. Winter is just too damn cold in the NorthEast.
You sure you're not kernals12?
Unlikely, I've never seen him complaining about tripping on sidewalks.
I could have missed it, but I don't think I've seen any whining about public transit either.
I don't have multiple accounts here if that's what he's implying. I prefer driving over mass transit though.
No, I was not implying that. It was a joke as user kernals12 also advocates for global warming.
I wouldn't really say advocate it, but might as well look at the optimistic side if it's inevitable.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 06, 2023, 04:56:55 PM
I was referring to the Space Cowboy who thinks helicopters should patrol I-70.
Some people call him Maurice.
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Quote from: roadman65 on January 06, 2023, 04:56:55 PM
I was referring to the Space Cowboy who thinks helicopters should patrol I-70.
Some people call him Maurice.
He speaks of the pompitous of love?
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Quote from: roadman65 on January 06, 2023, 04:56:55 PM
I was referring to the Space Cowboy who thinks helicopters should patrol I-70.
Some people call him Maurice.
And Multi also begins with M.
Pizza styles besides NY.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 08, 2023, 05:59:16 PM
Pizza styles besides NY.
As long as you're not talking about the travesty that is Altoona style.
Quote from: Takumi on January 08, 2023, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 08, 2023, 05:59:16 PM
Pizza styles besides NY.
As long as you're not talking about the travesty that is Altoona style.
It can't be as bad as St Louis style pizza.
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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 08, 2023, 05:59:16 PM
Pizza styles besides NY.
As long as you're not talking about the travesty that is Altoona style.
It can't be as bad as St Louis style pizza.
I don't know man...
(https://media2.fdncms.com/pittsburgh/imager/u/blog/17252644/altoona-pizza-pennsylvania-cheese.jpg?cb=1654821985)
Quote from: Takumi on January 09, 2023, 10:53:01 AM
Quote from: skluth on January 09, 2023, 10:37:09 AM
Quote from: Takumi on January 08, 2023, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 08, 2023, 05:59:16 PM
Pizza styles besides NY.
As long as you're not talking about the travesty that is Altoona style.
It can't be as bad as St Louis style pizza.
(pic you have to see)
I don't know man...
That looks like stable diffusion AI tried to draw Gudetama
Quote from: Takumi on January 09, 2023, 10:53:01 AM
Quote from: skluth on January 09, 2023, 10:37:09 AM
Quote from: Takumi on January 08, 2023, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 08, 2023, 05:59:16 PM
Pizza styles besides NY.
As long as you're not talking about the travesty that is Altoona style.
It can't be as bad as St Louis style pizza.
I don't know man...
(https://media2.fdncms.com/pittsburgh/imager/u/blog/17252644/altoona-pizza-pennsylvania-cheese.jpg?cb=1654821985)
Reminds me of school lunch-style pizza day.
I mean, I might just have to try it if I can get it with Middleswarth chips.
That's not a pizza, it's a jumbled-up grinder!
That looks like something my wife would like.
-- Capitalizing the First Letters of Important Words throughout the Sentence.
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2023, 11:12:21 AM
-- Capitalizing the First Letters of Important Words throughout the Sentence.
I like the A. A. Milne method of a sudden Emphasized Innocuous Word in a sentence and I don't think it's used enough (maybe that's a good thing).
Quote from: formulanone on January 11, 2023, 11:15:26 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2023, 11:12:21 AM
-- Capitalizing the First Letters of Important Words throughout the Sentence.
I like the A. A. Milne method of a sudden Emphasized Innocuous Word in a sentence and I don't think it's used enough (maybe that's a good thing).
Agreed on both counts, it is a great Tool to make common nouns seem Proper.
Make English German again!
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Make English German again!
More umlauts or just cramallwordstogethertomakecompoundword?
Quote from: formulanone on January 11, 2023, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Make English German again!
More umlauts or just cramallwordstogethertomakecompoundword?
Also all nouns are capitalized.
Quote from: Big John on January 11, 2023, 12:22:05 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 11, 2023, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Make English German again!
More umlauts or just cramallwordstogethertomakecompoundword?
Also all nouns are capitalized.
That's what Mr. Hoger was alluding to in the post above yours.
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 05:50:45 PM
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Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Make English German again!
More Umlauts or just crämallwördstogëthertömakëcompöundwörd?
FTFY
FTFY
No you didn't. German doesn't use ë.
Neither does English, so it's just as realistic either way. :spin:
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Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Make English German again!
More Umlauts or just crämallwördstogëthertömakëcompöundwörd?
FTFY
FTFY
No you didn't. German doesn't use ë.
I've heard you should just form your lips in the shape of an "e" but say "e" instead; it's really easy. (/s)
German also only uses the letter C if it's followed by H or K. Otherwise, to make English look more German, replace C with K if hard or Z if soft.
I've always liked the Nørwegiån diacritics better, myself.
I'd love to see Poiponen's comments on this thread, since they've probably used more umlauts in their life than the rest of us put together.
English muffins. omnomnom
Quote from: kurumi on January 11, 2023, 06:49:31 PM
I've heard you should just form your lips in the shape of an "e" but say "e" instead; it's really easy. (/s)
Well played!
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 06:53:24 PM
German also only uses the letter C if it's followed by H or K. Otherwise, to make English look more German, replace C with K if hard or Z if soft.
↓ How is this instead? ↓
Quote from: formulanone on January 11, 2023, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Make English German again!
More Umlauts or just Krämallwördstogettertömachekompositwörd?
Quote from: paulthemapguy on January 11, 2023, 11:13:07 PM
English muffins. omnomnom
Absolutely!
I think within the last year, I started having an English muffin as part of my Sunday morning routine. My wife makes me a cup of coffee, and I have a toasted English muffin with butter and Marmite.
Until recently, I had been frustrated that, by the time I got to the last couple of muffins in the package, they had gotten hard and unappetizing. I'd been keeping them in the package in the fridge. But I found a technique that works great: (1) split each muffin in half with a fork to preserve the crumb texture, (2) put each muffin back together and wrap it in clingfilm, (3) put them all in a freezer bag inside another freezer bag, (4) store them in the freezer. Come Sunday morning, I unwrap one, unwrap it, pry its halves apart, and put it in the toaster. This past Sunday, I had the last of six muffins–which I had put in the freezer in November–and it tasted like it was only one week old or so.
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2023, 11:12:21 AM
-- Capitalizing the First Letters of Important Words throughout the Sentence.
Ick. I can't take sentences like that seriously.
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Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2023, 11:12:21 AM
-- Capitalizing the First Letters of Important Words throughout the Sentence.
Ick. I can't take sentences like that seriously.
The Constitution does it (including the early amendments, but I believe it stopped when common practice in English stopped as the years went on), but it capitalizes the nouns specifically (as German would do); "first" and "important" in the quote above would still be in lowercase.
Lemmy Kilmister was the Lord of the Umlaut.
Something quite underrated: Getting home from a vacation on Saturday of a holiday weekend. Makes Sunday much more relaxed having that extra day. Less need to scramble around to get things done (especially for us this weekend because we have to take down the Christmas decorations, but grocery shopping and one or two other errands are higher priorities).
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Quote from: formulanone on January 11, 2023, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Make English German again!
More umlauts or just cramallwordstogethertomakecompoundword?
Also all nouns are capitalized.
A friend of mine capitalizes all him or he pronouns relating to Jesus in his Grammar in phone texts.
Quote from: 1 on January 12, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: thspfc on January 12, 2023, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2023, 11:12:21 AM
-- Capitalizing the First Letters of Important Words throughout the Sentence.
Ick. I can't take sentences like that seriously.
The Constitution does it (including the early amendments, but I believe it stopped when common practice in English stopped as the years went on), but it capitalizes the nouns specifically (as German would do); "first" and "important" in the quote above would still be in lowercase.
Quote from: 1 on January 12, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: thspfc on January 12, 2023, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2023, 11:12:21 AM
-- Capitalizing the First Letters of Important Words throughout the Sentence.
Ick. I can't take sentences like that seriously.
The Constitution does it (including the early amendments, but I believe it stopped when common practice in English stopped as the years went on), but it capitalizes the nouns specifically (as German would do); "first" and "important" in the quote above would still be in lowercase.
With some exceptions, or arguably errors, such as the "d" in "provide for the common defence" in the preamble.
Also, the bill of rights amendments follow a more random capitalization scheme, such as the first:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The ſ, or long s, was maintained though, in Congreſs, preſs, aſsemble, and redreſs, at least in the fancy copy in the National Archives.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 15, 2023, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 11, 2023, 12:22:05 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 11, 2023, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Make English German again!
More umlauts or just cramallwordstogethertomakecompoundword?
Also all nouns are capitalized.
A friend of mine capitalizes all him or he pronouns relating to Jesus in his Grammar in phone texts.
The Bible is normally typeset to capitalize all pronouns referencing God and Jesus. Thus Christians often do the same thing when referring to them (or should that be Them? Or Him, depending on which denomination you are?) in their own writing.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 15, 2023, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 15, 2023, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 11, 2023, 12:22:05 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 11, 2023, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Make English German again!
More umlauts or just cramallwordstogethertomakecompoundword?
Also all nouns are capitalized.
A friend of mine capitalizes all him or he pronouns relating to Jesus in his Grammar in phone texts.
The Bible is normally typeset to capitalize all pronouns referencing God and Jesus. Thus Christians often do the same thing when referring to them (or should that be Them? Or Him, depending on which denomination you are?) in their own writing.
Interestingly, maybe, the King James Version is not one of them, as seen in this excerpt from the Gospel of John:
(https://i.imgur.com/4utGUIS.png)
The difference between the upper- and lower-case H can be seen in comparing the "H" of "Howbeit" with the "h" of "whence":
(https://i.imgur.com/TgG6MFA.png)
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 15, 2023, 04:18:46 PM
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Quote from: formulanone on January 11, 2023, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Make English German again!
More umlauts or just cramallwordstogethertomakecompoundword?
Also all nouns are capitalized.
A friend of mine capitalizes all him or he pronouns relating to Jesus in his Grammar in phone texts.
The Bible is normally typeset to capitalize all pronouns referencing God and Jesus. Thus Christians often do the same thing when referring to them (or should that be Them? Or Him, depending on which denomination you are?) in their own writing.
Part of the traditional reason for that has to do with the Tetragrammaton (which I will not spell out in case any forum member would be offended by my doing so).
- Ice Breakers DUO Fruit + Cool™. They're also highly addicting. I could eat a pack a day if I wasn't conscious of how many I've had.
The short-lived feeling of feeling like Mercury, for about 1-2 minutes after using a treadmill.
Spam is underrated.
Fried Spam, at least. It's disgusting right out of the can. But slice it up or dice it up, and fry it in a skillet till it gets crispy, and yummmmm. Get yourself the variety that has bacon in it, and it's even better.
One of our favorite camping meals is Spam-ghetti carbonara, in which we sub out the bacon for Spam.
Quote from: kphoger on March 28, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
Spam is underrated.
Fried Spam, at least. It's disgusting right out of the can. But slice it up or dice it up, and fry it in a skillet till it gets crispy, and yummmmm. Get yourself the variety that has bacon in it, and it's even better.
One of our favorite camping meals is Spam-ghetti carbonara, in which we sub out the bacon for Spam.
Then scrapple would also be in this category.
Quote from: kphoger on March 28, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
SPAM is underrated.
Fried SPAM, at least. It's disgusting right out of the can. But slice it up or dice it up, and fry it in a skillet till it gets crispy, and yummmmm. Get yourself the variety that has bacon in it, and it's even better.
One of our favorite camping meals is SPAM-ghetti carbonara, in which we sub out the bacon for SPAM.
FTFY. Nobody likes spam.
Quote from: kirbykart on March 28, 2023, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 28, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
SPAM is underrated.
Fried SPAM, at least. It's disgusting right out of the can. But slice it up or dice it up, and fry it in a skillet till it gets crispy, and yummmmm. Get yourself the variety that has bacon in it, and it's even better.
One of our favorite camping meals is SPAM-ghetti carbonara, in which we sub out the bacon for SPAM.
FTFY. Nobody likes spam.
I don't see where you fixed anything. And Spam is delicious. Just went to a Hawai'ian breakfast spot in Vegas and had their Hawai'ian breakfast with fried Portuguese sausage and Spam served with rice, two over easy eggs, and macaroni salad. So good.
Quote from: kphoger on March 28, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
Spam is underrated.
Yes. Spam musubi when the spam is fried. (Even from a 7-11 in north shore Oahu, it was good.) Also, chopped fried spam, garlic rice (leftover from last night), with scrambled eggs, veggies, and Sriracha sauce.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 28, 2023, 12:06:23 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on March 28, 2023, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 28, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
SPAM is underrated.
Fried SPAM, at least. It's disgusting right out of the can. But slice it up or dice it up, and fry it in a skillet till it gets crispy, and yummmmm. Get yourself the variety that has bacon in it, and it's even better.
One of our favorite camping meals is SPAM-ghetti carbonara, in which we sub out the bacon for SPAM.
FTFY. Nobody likes spam.
I don't see where you fixed anything. And Spam is delicious. Just went to a Hawai'ian breakfast spot in Vegas and had their Hawai'ian breakfast with fried Portuguese sausage and Spam served with rice, two over easy eggs, and macaroni salad. So good.
The difference is between SPAM (the food) and spam (click the link bellow to recovery your account).
Quote from: kirbykart on March 28, 2023, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 28, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
SPAM is underrated.
Fried SPAM, at least. It's disgusting right out of the can. But slice it up or dice it up, and fry it in a skillet till it gets crispy, and yummmmm. Get yourself the variety that has bacon in it, and it's even better.
One of our favorite camping meals is SPAM-ghetti carbonara, in which we sub out the bacon for SPAM.
FTFY. Nobody likes spam.
Well, you're part right.
When I worked in a grocery store in Florida, Spam was a slowish-moving canned goods item; but to be fair, most canned good were like that...they moved reliably, but nobody really went on a run for canned corn, green beans, or artichoke hearts. Canned tomatoes, tomato sauce/paste, tuna fish, and whatever was on sale that week were the fast-moving items in that aisle. But even when it was on sale, it didn't move that quickly. Maybe it just wasn't big in that regional market.
But the moment a hurricane was five days out from heading towards the coast? That's when Spam sold in bunches, along with almost all of the canned goods. Customers would get upset when we didn't have enough of it, but where were they when it was on sale? (Oh yeah, toilet paper also evaporated from shelves, even back then.) Hurricane threats would clean out your grocery store's backstock, and that was great for getting rid of so many things that didn't sell at all during the year, or if you mistakenly received 5 extra cases of orange cake mix.
It wasn't really a part of my diet, and never even knew anyone who ate it until I went to college (families sometimes shield one from a lot of different food). I've only had it a few times, and putting in a skillet isn't a half-bad way to eat it.
Quote from: 1 on March 28, 2023, 12:09:18 PM
The difference is between SPAM (the food) and spam (click the link bellow to recovery your account).
But I didn't type "spam". I typed "Spam". I see no reason to use all caps just because that's how the company prefers to stylize the product name. Nor would I would type "adidas" just because that company prefers to stylize its name in all lowercase. Rather, following the guidelines of the AP Stylebook, I capitalize them normally.
Back in the early days of COVID a guy I work with couldn't find Spam at his local grocery store, so I ended up being his Spam runner because it was still on the shelves in Grand Marais's store where I was vacationing.
*starts humming SPAM song from Monty Python*
Quote from: Rothman on March 28, 2023, 12:28:20 PM
*starts humming SPAM song from Monty Python*
Truly the best use of SPAM of any variety
Quote from: Rothman on March 28, 2023, 12:28:20 PM
*starts humming SPAM song from Monty Python*
Which is what email spam was named after. We've come full circle!
Wite-Out tape. How did we ever survive when liquid goo was all there was? This has to rank up there with the microwave oven when it comes to life-changing inventions...
Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 12:31:38 PM
Wite-Out tape. How did we ever survive when liquid goo was all there was? This has to rank up there with the microwave oven when it comes to life-changing inventions...
I'm glad I no longer work in a job with any paper forms.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 24, 2023, 01:32:01 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 12:31:38 PM
Wite-Out tape. How did we ever survive when liquid goo was all there was? This has to rank up there with the microwave oven when it comes to life-changing inventions...
I'm glad I no longer work in a job with any paper forms.
I don't only use it at work, though.
Remember the good old days?
make a mistake
pull the page out of the typewriter
put a dab of Wite-Out over the incorrect letter
wait a while for it to dry
give up waiting, decide it's been long enough, put the page back in
do your best to line the page up to where it was before
type the correct letter
SPLAT! didn't wait long enough
pull the page out of the typewriter
put a dab of Wite-Out over the incorrect letter
bang your head against the door a few times...How more typewriters didn't see the end of a sledgehammer, I'll never know.
I haven't used white-out tape for at least 15 years now.
I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on April 24, 2023, 02:01:41 PM
I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
I admire your commitment to staying in the 20th Century.
I think I can count the number of checks I've written over the last five years on one hand.
Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 24, 2023, 01:32:01 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 12:31:38 PM
Wite-Out tape. How did we ever survive when liquid goo was all there was? This has to rank up there with the microwave oven when it comes to life-changing inventions...
I'm glad I no longer work in a job with any paper forms.
I don't only use it at work, though.
Remember the good old days?
make a mistake
pull the page out of the typewriter
put a dab of Wite-Out over the incorrect letter
wait a while for it to dry
give up waiting, decide it's been long enough, put the page back in
do your best to line the page up to where it was before
type the correct letter
SPLAT! didn't wait long enough
pull the page out of the typewriter
put a dab of Wite-Out over the incorrect letter
bang your head against the door a few times...
How more typewriters didn't see the end of a sledgehammer, I'll never know.
I don't know if I've ever tried to use Wite-Out tape on anything other than a piece of paper that was to be used in a typewriter, and I found liquid Wite-Out to be much easier to use.
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 24, 2023, 02:32:01 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 24, 2023, 01:32:01 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 12:31:38 PM
Wite-Out tape. How did we ever survive when liquid goo was all there was? This has to rank up there with the microwave oven when it comes to life-changing inventions...
I'm glad I no longer work in a job with any paper forms.
I don't only use it at work, though.
Remember the good old days?
make a mistake
pull the page out of the typewriter
put a dab of Wite-Out over the incorrect letter
wait a while for it to dry
give up waiting, decide it's been long enough, put the page back in
do your best to line the page up to where it was before
type the correct letter
SPLAT! didn't wait long enough
pull the page out of the typewriter
put a dab of Wite-Out over the incorrect letter
bang your head against the door a few times...
How more typewriters didn't see the end of a sledgehammer, I'll never know.
I don't know if I've ever tried to use Wite-Out tape on anything other than a piece of paper that was to be used in a typewriter, and I found liquid Wite-Out to be much easier to use.
O.o
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 24, 2023, 02:32:01 PM
I don't know if I've ever tried to use Wite-Out tape on anything other than a piece of paper that was to be used in a typewriter, and I found liquid Wite-Out to be much easier to use.
I literally just applied Wite-Out tape to a worksheet I'm using to audit billing at work. It took all of about eight seconds to make my correction. Having to wait for the liquid to dry would drive me bonkers.
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Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 12:31:38 PM
Wite-Out tape. How did we ever survive when liquid goo was all there was? This has to rank up there with the microwave oven when it comes to life-changing inventions...
I'm glad I no longer work in a job with any paper forms.
I don't only use it at work, though.
Remember the good old days?
make a mistake
pull the page out of the typewriter
put a dab of Wite-Out over the incorrect letter
wait a while for it to dry
give up waiting, decide it's been long enough, put the page back in
do your best to line the page up to where it was before
type the correct letter
SPLAT! didn't wait long enough
pull the page out of the typewriter
put a dab of Wite-Out over the incorrect letter
bang your head against the door a few times...
How more typewriters didn't see the end of a sledgehammer, I'll never know.
Heh. My parents were too cheap to buy the correction fluid. They bought Ko-Rec-Type paper. Let's just say it was utterly obvious where you had made a typo and it was often obvious what the typo was.
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Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 12:31:38 PM
Wite-Out tape. How did we ever survive when liquid goo was all there was? This has to rank up there with the microwave oven when it comes to life-changing inventions...
I'm glad I no longer work in a job with any paper forms.
I don't only use it at work, though.
What else do you use it for at home? Honestly, I use a pen less than once a week.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 24, 2023, 04:53:02 PM
What else do you use it for at home? Honestly, I use a pen less than once a week.
Notes to myself on chord charts that I play from at church, mainly. Sometimes I need to make a correction.
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Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 24, 2023, 04:53:02 PM
What else do you use it for at home? Honestly, I use a pen less than once a week.
Notes to myself on chord charts that I play from at church, mainly. Sometimes I need to make a correction.
I forget if I know this. What instrument do you play?
Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 04:57:48 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 24, 2023, 04:53:02 PM
What else do you use it for at home? Honestly, I use a pen less than once a week.
Notes to myself on chord charts that I play from at church, mainly. Sometimes I need to make a correction.
I use a pencil...
In the casinos, correction tape/fluid wasn't allowed. Errors had to be corrected by a single-line strikethrough and initialed, because accounting wanted to see what it was we were correcting. So I've just gotten used to correcting errors that way (although I dispense with the initials).
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 24, 2023, 05:11:42 PM
I forget if I know this. What instrument do you play?
Drum set, acoustic guitar, or keyboard–depending on the week. I also sometimes do piano composition and choir arrangements at home but, for those projects, I generally start with pencil and staff paper before moving to the computer.
Quote from: Rothman on April 24, 2023, 07:26:40 PM
I use a pencil...
Congratulations.
Sometimes I'm changing a chord or a word that's part of the original document. Sometimes I'm changing a note that I'd made in ink years ago because we've decided to do a section differently from now on. Sometimes I'm covering up highlighter color, not words or symbols. All sorts of situations in which "I use a pencil" does not apply.
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Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 24, 2023, 05:11:42 PM
I forget if I know this. What instrument do you play?
Drum set, acoustic guitar, or keyboard–depending on the week. I also sometimes do piano composition and choir arrangements at home but, for those projects, I generally start with pencil and staff paper before moving to the computer.
Quote from: Rothman on April 24, 2023, 07:26:40 PM
I use a pencil...
Congratulations.
Sometimes I'm changing a chord or a word that's part of the original document. Sometimes I'm changing a note that I'd made in ink years ago because we've decided to do a section differently from now on. Sometimes I'm covering up highlighter color, not words or symbols. All sorts of situations in which "I use a pencil" does not apply.
Yeah, you should use a pencil and stop with the pen and highlighter.
Quote from: Rothman on April 24, 2023, 08:20:10 PM
Yeah, you should use a pencil and stop with the pen and highlighter.
Wrong. The correct answer is that you should use Wite-Out tape and stop with the pencil.
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Quote from: Rothman on April 24, 2023, 08:20:10 PM
Yeah, you should use a pencil and stop with the pen and highlighter.
Wrong. The correct answer is that you should use Wite-Out tape and stop with the pencil.
But if I agreed with that, we'd both be wrong.
Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 24, 2023, 01:32:01 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2023, 12:31:38 PM
Wite-Out tape. How did we ever survive when liquid goo was all there was? This has to rank up there with the microwave oven when it comes to life-changing inventions...
I'm glad I no longer work in a job with any paper forms.
I don't only use it at work, though.
Remember the good old days?
make a mistake
pull the page out of the typewriter
put a dab of Wite-Out over the incorrect letter
wait a while for it to dry
give up waiting, decide it's been long enough, put the page back in
do your best to line the page up to where it was before
type the correct letter
SPLAT! didn't wait long enough
pull the page out of the typewriter
put a dab of Wite-Out over the incorrect letter
bang your head against the door a few times...
How more typewriters didn't see the end of a sledgehammer, I'll never know.
Do you remember before liquid whiteout? Make a mistake, use a typewriter eraser that wears down top fraction of an inch of the paper. Looks lousy. Or, the ever-popular type the whole darn page again solution. Typists really did need to be able to type error-free then.
Quote from: kkt on April 24, 2023, 10:39:17 PMDo you remember before liquid whiteout? Make a mistake, use a typewriter eraser that wears down top fraction of an inch of the paper. Looks lousy. Or, the ever-popular type the whole darn page again solution. Typists really did need to be able to type error-free then.
I remember carbons. In some cases I've been able to reconstruct letters my grandmother wrote by reading the carbon paper backward.
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Quote from: kkt on April 24, 2023, 10:39:17 PMDo you remember before liquid whiteout? Make a mistake, use a typewriter eraser that wears down top fraction of an inch of the paper. Looks lousy. Or, the ever-popular type the whole darn page again solution. Typists really did need to be able to type error-free then.
I remember carbons. In some cases I've been able to reconstruct letters my grandmother wrote by reading the carbon paper backward.
Yes. The black got on your hands. They were also a security problem for confidential typing.
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Yeah, you should use a pencil and stop with the pen and highlighter.
Wrong. The correct answer is that you should use Wite-Out tape and stop with the pencil.
But if I agreed with that, we'd both be wrong.
Because you'd be wrong: your opinion that Wite-Out tape is not underrated would be proved incorrect.
And because I'd be wrong: my opinion that Wite-Out tape is underrated would
no longer be correct.
:nod:
Quote from: kkt on April 24, 2023, 10:39:17 PM
Or, the ever-popular type the whole darn page again solution.
This is what my co-worker says she used to do. Pull the sheet out of the typewriter, wad it up, toss it in the bin, and start over. I couldn't believe it when she told me that!
When the department secretary (they weren't called admins yet) got the first word processor, she was asked if it saved time. Her answer was that bosses would now ask for changes because it was easier to do. Before they would have said it was OK to leave it. So there was enough redo work that more than took up the time of retyping because of mistakes. I assume she was a pretty good typist.
Edit: this word processor was a stand-alone device, not a unique program on a computer like MS Word. It used some humongous floppy disks, like 8 or 10 inches.
A former colleague of mine who was fairly senior in his position–I'd guess he was in his late 50s or early 60s when I worked with him 20 years ago–used to complain that one result of software is that written work is "word-processed to death," by which he meant that people spend too much time focusing on their work's appearance and not enough on substance. I understood (and understand) his point, but I don't entirely agree with it. I think there's no reason why written work cannot look as professionally typeset as possible, subject to the limits of whatever rules might apply (e.g., if you're filing something in a court that requires double-spaced text, you're limited in that respect as to how you can format it). There is no reason to be routinely underlining things when you use proportionally spaced type, although the rare use of underlining for emphasis can be OK. There's no reason to use double hyphens in lieu of dashes unless you're required to use monospaced type.
I sometimes read a few hundred pages a week for work, so the way written work appears matters. It affects how easy it is for me to follow what someone's saying, and I especially notice sloppy stuff like when someone abruptly changes typeface midway through, or justifies part of a document but goes ragged-right on another part, or any number of other things.
^^ My father routinely types up notes and documents that look like a ransom note, with a multitude of fonts and effects. My efforts to get him to knock it off have so far been in vain.
Quote from: GaryV on April 25, 2023, 09:22:20 AM
When the department secretary (they weren't called admins yet) got the first word processor, she was asked if it saved time. Her answer was that bosses would now ask for changes because it was easier to do. Before they would have said it was OK to leave it. So there was enough redo work that more than took up the time of retyping because of mistakes. I assume she was a pretty good typist.
Good typist, lousy politician.
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Edit: this word processor was a stand-alone device, not a unique program on a computer like MS Word. It used some humongous floppy disks, like 8 or 10 inches.
Yes, I've seen those in use, a long time ago. Discs probably 8", unless it was a manufacturer just being different for the sake of being different.
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Edit: this word processor was a stand-alone device, not a unique program on a computer like MS Word. It used some humongous floppy disks, like 8 or 10 inches.
Yes, I've seen those in use, a long time ago. Discs probably 8", unless it was a manufacturer just being different for the sake of being different.
Likely 8", as that was one of two "standard" sizes of floppy disks, the other size being 5.25". We had some of those word processing behemoths used by our admins that used the 8" floppies when I first started working. I think Wang may have the word processor brand.
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Edit: this word processor was a stand-alone device, not a unique program on a computer like MS Word. It used some humongous floppy disks, like 8 or 10 inches.
Yes, I've seen those in use, a long time ago. Discs probably 8", unless it was a manufacturer just being different for the sake of being different.
Likely 8", as that was one of two "standard" sizes of floppy disks, the other size being 5.25". We had some of those word processing behemoths used by our admins that used the 8" floppies when I first started working. I think Wang may have the word processor brand.
Wang did make them.
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I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
I admire your commitment to staying in the 20th Century.
I think I can count the number of checks I've written over the last five years on one hand.
Don't be so quick to knock it. My wife does all of hers electronically, importing from the bank into Quickbooks, and more than once there's been a Quickbooks glitch and everything is lost.
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I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
I admire your commitment to staying in the 20th Century.
I think I can count the number of checks I've written over the last five years on one hand.
Don't be so quick to knock it. My wife does all of hers electronically, importing from the bank into Quickbooks, and more than once there's been a Quickbooks glitch and everything is lost.
I have an Excel spreadsheet into which I import the information from my accounts.
I have never had a glitch going back 10 years now.
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I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
I admire your commitment to staying in the 20th Century.
I think I can count the number of checks I've written over the last five years on one hand.
Don't be so quick to knock it. My wife does all of hers electronically, importing from the bank into Quickbooks, and more than once there's been a Quickbooks glitch and everything is lost.
I have an Excel spreadsheet into which I import the information from my accounts.
I have never had a glitch going back 10 years now.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you tracking? I thought the point of balancing a checkbook was to make sure you didn't have any outstanding deposits or checks that weren't yet recognized in your statement? Since we have online access real time to your transaction history and confirmation of deposits whenever you make them at a branch or using your cell phone, I don't pay too much attention. I do pay attention to my credit cards for refunds and things of that nature.
Same. My checks came with a check register that's supposed to track everything to balance the account. I may have done that for a few months initially when it was first set up, but the only thing I've done in the last decade or so is list what the checks I wrote are actually for, in case I forget by the time they show up in the bank statement.
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I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
I admire your commitment to staying in the 20th Century.
I think I can count the number of checks I've written over the last five years on one hand.
Don't be so quick to knock it. My wife does all of hers electronically, importing from the bank into Quickbooks, and more than once there's been a Quickbooks glitch and everything is lost.
I have an Excel spreadsheet into which I import the information from my accounts.
I have never had a glitch going back 10 years now.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you tracking? I thought the point of balancing a checkbook was to make sure you didn't have any outstanding deposits or checks that weren't yet recognized in your statement? Since we have online access real time to your transaction history and confirmation of deposits whenever you make them at a branch or using your cell phone, I don't pay too much attention. I do pay attention to my credit cards for refunds and things of that nature.
My sheet's for budgeting. Transactions are actuals and then I project future expenses.
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Quote from: wanderer2575 on April 24, 2023, 02:01:41 PM
I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
I admire your commitment to staying in the 20th Century.
I think I can count the number of checks I've written over the last five years on one hand.
Don't be so quick to knock it. My wife does all of hers electronically, importing from the bank into Quickbooks, and more than once there's been a Quickbooks glitch and everything is lost.
I have an Excel spreadsheet into which I import the information from my accounts.
I have never had a glitch going back 10 years now.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you tracking? I thought the point of balancing a checkbook was to make sure you didn't have any outstanding deposits or checks that weren't yet recognized in your statement? Since we have online access real time to your transaction history and confirmation of deposits whenever you make them at a branch or using your cell phone, I don't pay too much attention. I do pay attention to my credit cards for refunds and things of that nature.
My sheet's for budgeting. Transactions are actuals and then I project future expenses.
Gotcha. We have our budget for general categories and stuff but don't track it that closely. It's just good to know how much you
can spend.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 26, 2023, 12:29:16 PM
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Quote from: wanderer2575 on April 24, 2023, 02:01:41 PM
I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
I admire your commitment to staying in the 20th Century.
I think I can count the number of checks I've written over the last five years on one hand.
Don't be so quick to knock it. My wife does all of hers electronically, importing from the bank into Quickbooks, and more than once there's been a Quickbooks glitch and everything is lost.
I have an Excel spreadsheet into which I import the information from my accounts.
I have never had a glitch going back 10 years now.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you tracking? I thought the point of balancing a checkbook was to make sure you didn't have any outstanding deposits or checks that weren't yet recognized in your statement? Since we have online access real time to your transaction history and confirmation of deposits whenever you make them at a branch or using your cell phone, I don't pay too much attention. I do pay attention to my credit cards for refunds and things of that nature.
Real-time access to actual transaction history is great. But I want a separate register of the transactions I am expecting. Otherwise, if an incorrect transaction hits my account, how would I know? I don't write a lot of checks either, but I have a good bit of electronic activity and I can't remember all of it.
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Quote from: wanderer2575 on April 24, 2023, 02:01:41 PM
I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
I admire your commitment to staying in the 20th Century.
I think I can count the number of checks I've written over the last five years on one hand.
Don't be so quick to knock it. My wife does all of hers electronically, importing from the bank into Quickbooks, and more than once there's been a Quickbooks glitch and everything is lost.
I have an Excel spreadsheet into which I import the information from my accounts.
I have never had a glitch going back 10 years now.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you tracking? I thought the point of balancing a checkbook was to make sure you didn't have any outstanding deposits or checks that weren't yet recognized in your statement? Since we have online access real time to your transaction history and confirmation of deposits whenever you make them at a branch or using your cell phone, I don't pay too much attention. I do pay attention to my credit cards for refunds and things of that nature.
Real-time access to actual transaction history is great. But I want a separate register of the transactions I am expecting. Otherwise, if an incorrect transaction hits my account, how would I know? I don't write a lot of checks either, but I have a good bit of electronic activity and I can't remember all of it.
With regard to my checking account, I only have 6-7 things that come out of it per month -- mortgage, credit card bills, car payments, and a few bills that I can't pay via credit card. I do peruse my credit card transactions (mostly looking for refunds that are due), but incorrect transactions are generally unlikely due to fraud protection and such.
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I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
I admire your commitment to staying in the 20th Century.
I think I can count the number of checks I've written over the last five years on one hand.
Don't be so quick to knock it. My wife does all of hers electronically, importing from the bank into Quickbooks, and more than once there's been a Quickbooks glitch and everything is lost.
I have an Excel spreadsheet into which I import the information from my accounts.
I have never had a glitch going back 10 years now.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you tracking? I thought the point of balancing a checkbook was to make sure you didn't have any outstanding deposits or checks that weren't yet recognized in your statement? Since we have online access real time to your transaction history and confirmation of deposits whenever you make them at a branch or using your cell phone, I don't pay too much attention. I do pay attention to my credit cards for refunds and things of that nature.
Sometimes it can take a day or two for debit card transactions to post, in my experience. (Some merchants don't actually finalize all of the card transactions until the end of the business day.) And, of course, some people still use checks for one reason or another. (For instance, in my experience ACH transfers are inordinately slow, so I tend to transfer money between banks by just writing a check to myself, which gets posted in the receiving account the same day.) If one is trying to answer the question of "do I have enough money in the account to do X", I could see how a balanced checkbook could provide information that online account access wouldn't.
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I still keep and balance my checkbook register by hand, and I have to use white-out tape now and then because I added something wrong or wrote something on the wrong line.
I admire your commitment to staying in the 20th Century.
I think I can count the number of checks I've written over the last five years on one hand.
Don't be so quick to knock it. My wife does all of hers electronically, importing from the bank into Quickbooks, and more than once there's been a Quickbooks glitch and everything is lost.
I have an Excel spreadsheet into which I import the information from my accounts.
I have never had a glitch going back 10 years now.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you tracking? I thought the point of balancing a checkbook was to make sure you didn't have any outstanding deposits or checks that weren't yet recognized in your statement? Since we have online access real time to your transaction history and confirmation of deposits whenever you make them at a branch or using your cell phone, I don't pay too much attention. I do pay attention to my credit cards for refunds and things of that nature.
Sometimes it can take a day or two for debit card transactions to post, in my experience. (Some merchants don't actually finalize all of the card transactions until the end of the business day.) And, of course, some people still use checks for one reason or another. (For instance, in my experience ACH transfers are inordinately slow, so I tend to transfer money between banks by just writing a check to myself, which gets posted in the receiving account the same day.) If one is trying to answer the question of "do I have enough money in the account to do X", I could see how a balanced checkbook could provide information that online account access wouldn't.
I guess I have a slightly different perspective since I don't remember the last time I used my debit card for anything other than "checking in" at the bank or to get cash when I was overseas. Every dollar I spend goes on a credit card as best I can.
I don't use a debit card. Everything possible goes on a credit card, which I pay off every month. Anything that can't be put on the card (I don't pay additional fees) gets the autopay treatment from my checking account.
I've got a savings account with a decent interest rate and have not found ACH transactions to be too slow.
So, I keep track of everything in my Excel file, which is why I find a handwritten check ledger so antiquated and incomplete. It doesn't project expenses, doesn't keep track of savings once saved, and only has very limited budgeting capabilities, if any.
I wonder if all the online resources and software available nowadays have led to an increase in financial literacy, come to think of it. Scribbling on paper just seems so error prone, primitive and incomplete.
I've tried the "put everything on credit card and pay off at the end of the month" strategy and I've found all that does is make it hard for me to accurately answer the question of whether I have enough money to buy things or not.
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 27, 2023, 10:43:19 PM
I've tried the "put everything on credit card and pay off at the end of the month" strategy and I've found all that does is make it hard for me to accurately answer the question of whether I have enough money to buy things or not.
That's why I project expenses in my Excel workbook.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on April 27, 2023, 10:43:19 PM
I've tried the "put everything on credit card and pay off at the end of the month" strategy and I've found all that does is make it hard for me to accurately answer the question of whether I have enough money to buy things or not.
That's why I project expenses in my Excel workbook.
I can't say I've ever had a job where I knew exactly how much my checks were going to be before the pay period closed. (In order, hourly with no guaranteed schedule, hourly with tips, hourly with tips, independent contractor paid by the job.) So projecting expenses wouldn't really do much to help me out, because I'd know what my expenses were but not my income.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on April 27, 2023, 10:43:19 PM
I've tried the "put everything on credit card and pay off at the end of the month" strategy and I've found all that does is make it hard for me to accurately answer the question of whether I have enough money to buy things or not.
That's why I project expenses in my Excel workbook.
I can't say I've ever had a job where I knew exactly how much my checks were going to be before the pay period closed. (In order, hourly with no guaranteed schedule, hourly with tips, hourly with tips, independent contractor paid by the job.) So projecting expenses wouldn't really do much to help me out, because I'd know what my expenses were but not my income.
You could at least estimate.
But, if you're unwilling to do that and your income is that volatile, then you end up with no budget at all, essentially just out of a fear that your estimate would be incorrect.
And that would also raise a question as to how you calculate your W-4 withholdings, since they are based upon projected earnings for a year.
I don't have W4 withholdings. I'm an independent contractor on a 1099. I do quarterly estimated taxes (which is more or less straightforward as I maintain a double-entry accounting system for business expenses).
My wife is the one with the W4.
Quarterly estimated taxes, withholdings -- either way. If you want to budget (or estimate your taxes), you have to estimate your income and expenses in some fashion.
Anyway, I find a monthly credit card bill easy to manage. I've got a sheet for my checking account. My income determines how much I can afford month-to-month. Put in an amount that fits in my projected balance and keep track of my credit card expenses on a separate sheet to make sure I stay within or at least close to the amount I've allocated for the credit card.
Given online resources through my banks and whatnot, updating the Excel workbook takes about ten minutes altogether.
Last step: Profit.
ginger ale
RC cola
ground turkey
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I've tried the "put everything on credit card and pay off at the end of the month" strategy and I've found all that does is make it hard for me to accurately answer the question of whether I have enough money to buy things or not.
That's why I project expenses in my Excel workbook.
I can't say I've ever had a job where I knew exactly how much my checks were going to be before the pay period closed. (In order, hourly with no guaranteed schedule, hourly with tips, hourly with tips, independent contractor paid by the job.) So projecting expenses wouldn't really do much to help me out, because I'd know what my expenses were but not my income.
I'm definitely in the "put it all on the credit card" camp, but as you point out here, I get paid the same, every check, nine times a year.
Quote from: kphoger on June 29, 2023, 03:10:22 PM
ginger ale
RC cola
ground turkey
Yes, and among ginger ales, Vernor's is underrated.
93% lean ground beef > ground turkey, but you know what's an absolute PITA to try and work with? Ground chicken.
Coy and Vance Duke
Bo and Luke, far superior as you well know.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on July 18, 2023, 10:39:40 PM
Bo and Luke, far superior as you well know.
Doesn't mean Coy and Vance aren't underrated.
After all, they defeated the Mean Green Machine twice.
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Quote from: JayhawkCO on July 18, 2023, 10:39:40 PM
Bo and Luke, far superior as you well know.
Doesn't mean Coy and Vance aren't underrated.
After all, they defeated the Mean Green Machine twice.
Ah.. Coy and Vance! The very similar but less attractive counterparts to Bo and Luke. Coy and Vance had it hard. Not everyone is willing to come to Hazzard and pick up where the Dukes left off, mainly pestering the local corrupt mayor and over authoritative sheriff while Bo and Luke were
negotiating their contract out of town.
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After today, southern Kansas scenery. Not that bad!
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 21, 2023, 10:32:54 PM
After today, southern Kansas scenery. Not that bad!
US-160 in southeastern Kansas, especially.
shallots
Quote from: kphoger on September 25, 2023, 12:30:20 PM
shallots
Essentially same flavor as onions but a lot fewer tears when cutting. Agreed.
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shallots
Essentially same flavor as onions but a lot fewer tears when cutting. Agreed.
Milder texture and flavor, too.
And, instead of (1) chopping a third of an onion, (2) putting the rest of it in a container in the fridge, (3) forgetting it's there for a week, (4) buying another onion for another recipe, (5) discovering the old one in the fridge and forgetting how old it is, (6) using it anyway, even though it's lost most of its good flavor, ... – you can instead just chop up a whole shallot to begin with.
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Time zones
Huh? Are people advocating their abolition?
mgk920 here (thread locked): https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31208.msg2718030#msg2718030 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31208.msg2718030#msg2718030)
QuoteHeck, I wouldn't mind us going to worldwide UTC ('Zulu'/Military) time instead and adjust our personal schedules accordingly. No semi-annual clock changes, everyone yells "Happy new year!" at the same time and no time zone confusions. Instead of it now being 1:20pm (1320) Central Daylight Time (UTC -5) as I post this, it would be 1820Z.
:nod:
Mike
There already is UTC and people who need it already use it.
As someone who worked on UTC/Z for much of my career, I appreciate it for what it is. But Time Zones are underrated because of all the good they do. Originally introduced to synchronize train schedules, they help coordinate everything from TV schedules to organizing family phone calls in far-flung cities. Few people appreciate them. It's a lot easier to work together when at worst you're on a different hour but the same minute from your partners in different cities rather than everyone being on their own time even in cities as close as St Louis and Kansas City. I'm sure our phones could handle constantly updating our time for location with every incremental change of longitude but I'm sure we'd all hate it. Most people would be surprised to find out they've only been around for about 150 years.
I love the hilarity of me living in the Central Time zone and if the world run on Zulu time, me coming home from work at what would normally be 6:00 PM but instead the day changes suddenly.
At least the US has multiple time zones. China is one big time zone meaning it can be rough on those in Xinjiang and Tibet which are more than 30° west of Beijing. (Each one hour time zone is theoretically 15° wide.) The same is true of India which, while not spanning as much longitude, is annoyingly +5:30 from UTC.
Actually, the two provinces you mentioned shift their schedule 2 hours behind mid-to-eastern China.
They have lunch at 2, work from 10 to 8, and 0:00 to 1:00 at night is not late at all.
Their peak hours are also shifted 2 hours later, from 06-22:00 to 08-midnight.
This also means they would been pretty convenient for the Black Friday midnight because it's "like" only like 24-2=22:00 (10pm) in eastern Chinese people's biological clock.
Criminally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEv4Hzf8Hhw
Bok Choy. Actually, all cabbage. Delicious when prepared correctly, and the best nutrient:cost ratio of any food.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 12, 2023, 12:00:12 PM
Bok Choy. Actually, all cabbage. Delicious when prepared correctly, and the best nutrient:cost ratio of any food.
I agree. Unfortunately, my wife dislikes most cabbage. However, she absolutely loves roasted brussels sprouts, so we have that a lot.
Quote from: kphoger on October 12, 2023, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 12, 2023, 12:00:12 PM
Bok Choy. Actually, all cabbage. Delicious when prepared correctly, and the best nutrient:cost ratio of any food.
I agree. Unfortunately, my wife dislikes most cabbage. However, she absolutely loves roasted brussels sprouts, so we have that a lot.
Whenever I grill steaks, I just season the crap out of a bok choy cut in half and throw it on the grill to char. It's heaven with a little bit of red meat.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 12, 2023, 12:58:53 PM
Whenever I grill steaks, I just season the crap out of a bok choy cut in half and throw it on the grill to char. It's heaven with a little bit of red meat.
I grew up cooking with bok choy, but it's been years since I've bought one. Are they terribly gritty inside? Do you need to wash them before cooking?
Quote from: kphoger on October 12, 2023, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 12, 2023, 12:00:12 PM
Bok Choy. Actually, all cabbage. Delicious when prepared correctly, and the best nutrient:cost ratio of any food.
I agree. Unfortunately, my wife dislikes most cabbage. However, she absolutely loves roasted brussels sprouts, so we have that a lot.
Along the same lines, I like sauerkraut especially with pork chops, or hot dogs. My wife does not like it.
Since (1) she does most of the cooking and (2) the smell is also a factor, she wins that argument and I don't fight/fuss about it.
However, when I visit a friend's house and they have sauerkraut, usually with hot dogs or other kinds of sausage sandwiches, I always partake.
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Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 12, 2023, 12:58:53 PM
Whenever I grill steaks, I just season the crap out of a bok choy cut in half and throw it on the grill to char. It's heaven with a little bit of red meat.
I grew up cooking with bok choy, but it's been years since I've bought one. Are they terribly gritty inside? Do you need to wash them before cooking?
Yeah, they're decently gritty down at the bottom. I spray it out as best I can and figure the liquid content from the cabbage itself will rinse off anything I couldn't get. I've never had an issue.
Quote from: tmoore952 on October 12, 2023, 01:04:21 PM
Along the same lines, I like sauerkraut especially with pork chops, or hot dogs. My wife does not like it.
Since (1) she does most of the cooking and (2) the smell is also a factor, she wins that argument and I don't fight/fuss about it.
However, when I visit a friend's house and they have sauerkraut, usually with hot dogs or other kinds of sausage sandwiches, I always partake.
I've started my own tradition of making a batch of
bigos on Super Bowl Sunday. That calls for half sauerkraut and half regular cabbage. I thoroughly rinse the sauerkraut, and it spends quite some time in the pot. By that point, my wife isn't totally put off by the smell, but she still doesn't really like the final product.
Me, I love it.
When I make sauerkraut, I also add jalapeños and julienned carrots. Yummm.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 12, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
When I make sauerkraut, I also add jalapeños and julienned carrots. Yummm.
When I make
bigos, I add prunes and apples and onion. And kielbasa. And bacon. And beer. And tomato paste. And peppercorns and juniper berries and caraway seeds and bay leaves and marjoram and a bunch of other stuff I'm sure I'm forgetting right now. Yummm.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 12, 2023, 12:58:53 PM
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Bok Choy. Actually, all cabbage. Delicious when prepared correctly, and the best nutrient:cost ratio of any food.
I agree. Unfortunately, my wife dislikes most cabbage. However, she absolutely loves roasted brussels sprouts, so we have that a lot.
Whenever I grill steaks, I just season the crap out of a bok choy cut in half and throw it on the grill to char. It's heaven with a little bit of red meat.
After talking to my wife, I now know that her aversion to cooked cabbage goes back to a time that she was sleeping over at a friend's house, the family served sausage and sauerkraut, and she hated the sauerkraut. It took some time before she would eat sausages after that, and she still hasn't gotten over the cabbage thing. But it's actually the sour part of sauerkraut that she really doesn't like, so she's hesitantly open to trying other types of cooked cabbage.
With fall coming, I'm starting to want cabbage, so I'll probably start this up soon. I expect that I'll start with bok choy. We don't do much grilling—basically just hot dogs or smoked sausages or chicken breasts—but we've become fans of roasting vegetables. Do I need to worry about the green leaves of bok choy becoming either charred or super-wilted before the rest of the bok choy is done cooking through?
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Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 12, 2023, 12:00:12 PM
Bok Choy. Actually, all cabbage. Delicious when prepared correctly, and the best nutrient:cost ratio of any food.
I agree. Unfortunately, my wife dislikes most cabbage. However, she absolutely loves roasted brussels sprouts, so we have that a lot.
Whenever I grill steaks, I just season the crap out of a bok choy cut in half and throw it on the grill to char. It's heaven with a little bit of red meat.
After talking to my wife, I now know that her aversion to cooked cabbage goes back to a time that she was sleeping over at a friend's house, the family served sausage and sauerkraut, and she hated the sauerkraut. It took some time before she would eat sausages after that, and she still hasn't gotten over the cabbage thing. But it's actually the sour part of sauerkraut that she really doesn't like, so she's hesitantly open to trying other types of cooked cabbage.
With fall coming, I'm starting to want cabbage, so I'll probably start this up soon. I expect that I'll start with bok choy. We don't do much grilling—basically just hot dogs or smoked sausages or chicken breasts—but we've become fans of roasting vegetables. Do I need to worry about the green leaves of bok choy becoming either charred or super-wilted before the rest of the bok choy is done cooking through?
The char is the best part. Just grill it until you get decently good grill marks and then chop it up and you're good. The greens and the stems are both great.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 12, 2023, 11:39:17 PM
The char is the best part. Just grill it until you get decently good grill marks and then chop it up and you're good. The greens and the stems are both great.
Sorry, let me be more clear. Assuming I'm roasting it instead of grilling it, do you think the greens will get gross?
Quote from: kphoger on October 13, 2023, 10:52:43 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 12, 2023, 11:39:17 PM
The char is the best part. Just grill it until you get decently good grill marks and then chop it up and you're good. The greens and the stems are both great.
Sorry, let me be more clear. Assuming I'm roasting it instead of grilling it, do you think the greens will get gross?
If they do, it'll just be the top parts probably, so you can cut off anything that's a little "over-caramelized". The thicker part of the greens should still be good.
Thanks. I'll probably try it roasted in the oven with some balsamic vinegar and maybe bacon pieces.
Quote from: webny99 on October 12, 2023, 11:52:30 AM
Criminally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEv4Hzf8Hhw
I'm a bit confused how a popular song from a very popular artist can be "underrated". Maybe if it was a song few people knew about, but it has millions of views on YT in less than a year.
Quote from: bm7 on October 14, 2023, 02:44:27 AM
Quote from: webny99 on October 12, 2023, 11:52:30 AM
Criminally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEv4Hzf8Hhw
I'm a bit confused how a popular song from a very popular artist can be "underrated". Maybe if it was a song few people knew about, but it has millions of views on YT in less than a year.
Because it's only "popular" because people listened to it and shrugged.
Quote from: bm7 on October 14, 2023, 02:44:27 AM
Quote from: webny99 on October 12, 2023, 11:52:30 AM
Criminally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEv4Hzf8Hhw
I'm a bit confused how a popular song from a very popular artist can be "underrated". Maybe if it was a song few people knew about, but it has millions of views on YT in less than a year.
I'm aware that the artist is very popular, but this particular track seems to be under-recognized relative to its quality (IMO).
Also, in the world of YT views, 7.6 million is nothing when something as lame as Despacito can exceed 8 billion.
Anyways... here's another, perhaps more apt, submission:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7PHEPmdT1w
Big Bend National Park
It always seems to be regarded as a second rate national park, but in reality there is so much insane stuff there. Santa Elena Canyon is kinda mind-blowing how narrow it is (and you can cross the Rio Grande there into Mexico!). The Emory Peak hike has some insane views, especially close to the top. The park is so far away from any major civilization that it feels truly like you're in the wilderness (+you can see the Milky Way on a cloudless night from there). Plus the terrain is really cool.
Quote from: CoreySamson on October 31, 2023, 10:57:13 PM
Big Bend National Park
It always seems to be regarded as a second rate national park, but in reality there is so much insane stuff there. Santa Elena Canyon is kinda mind-blowing how narrow it is (and you can cross the Rio Grande there into Mexico!). The Emory Peak hike has some insane views, especially close to the top. The park is so far away from any major civilization that it feels truly like you're in the wilderness (+you can see the Milky Way on a cloudless night from there). Plus the terrain is really cool.
I don't think it's underrated. Perhaps thirty years ago, that was true. It has definitely been "discovered" since the most recent turn of the century.
Number of visitors has boomed from 300,000 per year to over 500,000 per year over the past couple of decades. Sure, not on Yellowstone kind of levels, but it's definitely not off people's radar.
Dunkin' refreshers. The combination of iced green tea + fruit juice is intoxicating.
Quote from: webny99 on November 02, 2023, 03:14:56 PM
Dunkin' refreshers. The combination of iced green tea + fruit juice is intoxicating.
Blech. The two times I've had green tea it tastes like Pine-Sol. No thanks.
Those first few moments when you leave a place with A/C that's too cold and get into a not-terribly-hot car.
Strangely relaxing.
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Quote from: webny99 on November 02, 2023, 03:14:56 PM
Dunkin' refreshers. The combination of iced green tea + fruit juice is intoxicating.
Blech. The two times I've had green tea it tastes like Pine-Sol. No thanks.
Saying this makes me feel old, but "it's an acquired taste". :)
(Also, like most coffees/teas, green tea is highly variable, but Dunkin' is one of the better ones, even on its own.)
Quote from: formulanone on November 02, 2023, 06:11:42 PM
Those first few moments when you leave a place with A/C that's too cold and get into a not-terribly-hot car.
Strangely relaxing.
I'm a fan of getting into your car on a cold but sunny day, and it's already a bit warmer in there.
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Quote from: formulanone on November 02, 2023, 06:11:42 PM
Those first few moments when you leave a place with A/C that's too cold and get into a not-terribly-hot car.
Strangely relaxing.
I'm a fan of getting into your car on a cold but sunny day, and it's already a bit warmer in there.
That's nice too. I tend to park into the sun on colder days/mornings so that the sunlight warms the interior a little bit more.
It does take a few days of cold weather to remind myself that's preferrable, after decades of rarely intentionally parking into the sunlight.
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Overrated control city.
Farro (https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-farro-3378635)
Nobody I've asked has ever heard of it, but our family prefers it to rice in most dishes we make.
Quote from: kphoger on February 12, 2024, 02:03:19 PM
Farro (https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-farro-3378635)
Nobody I've asked has ever heard of it, but our family prefers it to rice in most dishes we make.
I like farro quite a bit. I also like pearled barley.
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Nobody I've asked has ever heard of it
I like farro quite a bit.
This is why I didn't ask you ahead of time. :nod:
Quote from: kphoger on February 12, 2024, 02:03:19 PMFarro (https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-farro-3378635)
Nobody I've asked has ever heard of it, but our family prefers it to rice in most dishes we make.
I have heard of it, but never actually tried it. I may give it a whirl this summer when honey pineapple chicken goes back on the menu. I have been using long-grain white rice, which has
some fiber (as opposed to basmati, which has none), but my personal preference in the past has been straight wild rice, which is now basically impossible to find at the supermarket. Casual Googling suggests farro has more protein and fiber than these alternatives.
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Nobody I've asked has ever heard of it
I like farro quite a bit.
This is why I didn't ask you ahead of time. :nod:
Yeah, working in the restaurants that I have, there are very few ingredients that I haven't had at some point.
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 12, 2024, 02:34:16 PM
I have been using long-grain white rice, which has some fiber (as opposed to basmati, which has none)
Unlike rice, I rinse farro well. (I also do this with bulgur and quinoa.) Farro is now readily available at the Gucci Dillon's, and maybe it is at your local one too. It takes about a two-to-one ratio of boil water/stock to grain, and about 25-35 minutes to simmer. The ratio isn't all that important, because its texture allows for some margin of error: add liquid if you need to, boil off the extra liquid if you need to.
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 12, 2024, 02:34:16 PM
but my personal preference in the past has been straight wild rice, which is now basically impossible to find at the supermarket
No kidding. We've noticed its absence from store shelves recently as well. Especially in the winter, when we like to put it in soup.
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 12, 2024, 02:34:16 PM
Casual Googling suggests farro has more protein and fiber than these alternatives.
Indeed, that's why I first bought it, a few years ago.
Quote from: kphoger on February 12, 2024, 02:59:03 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on February 12, 2024, 02:34:16 PMI have been using long-grain white rice, which has some fiber (as opposed to basmati, which has none)
Unlike rice, I rinse farro well. (I also do this with bulgur and quinoa.) Farro is now readily available at the Gucci Dillon's, and maybe it is at your local one too. It takes about a two-to-one ratio of boil water/stock to grain, and about 25-35 minutes to simmer. The ratio isn't all that important, because its texture allows for some margin of error: add liquid if you need to, boil off the extra liquid if you need to.
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 12, 2024, 02:34:16 PMbut my personal preference in the past has been straight wild rice, which is now basically impossible to find at the supermarket
No kidding. We've noticed its absence from store shelves recently as well. Especially in the winter, when we like to put it in soup.
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 12, 2024, 02:34:16 PMCasual Googling suggests farro has more protein and fiber than these alternatives.
Indeed, that's why I first bought it, a few years ago.
Many thanks for these tips! I'll keep them in mind for when I'm ready to try farro. Now to find it at the AARP Dillons . . .
Underrated doesn't seem like quite the right term, but I don't see a better thread fit...
The lack of mid-sized cities in Kentucky. The gap between #2 Lexington (323k) and #3 Bowling Green (72k) is gaping. At first glance, I believe Kentucky is the only state with a population of 2 million or more with no cities in the 100k-300k range. But Covington (wait, what? Right?) being top-5 with only 41k is arguably even more of a superlative: that's on par with states like Montana (Butte, 34k) and North Dakota (West Fargo, 40k) despite Kentucky having more than four times the population of those states.
Quote from: webny99 on February 16, 2024, 11:44:44 AM
Underrated doesn't seem like quite the right term, but I don't see a better thread fit...
The lack of mid-sized cities in Kentucky. The gap between #2 Lexington (323k) and #3 Bowling Green (72k) is gaping. At first glance, I believe Kentucky is the only state with a population of 2 million or more with no cities in the 100k-300k range. But Covington (wait, what? Right?) being top-5 with only 41k is arguably even more of a superlative: that's on par with states like Montana (Butte, 34k) and North Dakota (West Fargo, 40k) despite Kentucky having more than four times the population of those states.
Northern Kentucky is chock-full of municipalities. Covington and Newport are the most recognizable, but you also have Fort Mitchell, Florence (y'all), Burlington, Erlanger, Alexandria, and gobs of others. I don't know where the northern Kentucky metro would rank if you combined all the cities in Boone, Kenton, and Campbell counties, but I'm sure it would be substantial. Probably bigger than Bowling Green.
Petula Clark
Quote from: CoreySamson on October 31, 2023, 10:57:13 PM
Big Bend National Park
It always seems to be regarded as a second rate national park, but in reality there is so much insane stuff there. Santa Elena Canyon is kinda mind-blowing how narrow it is (and you can cross the Rio Grande there into Mexico!). The Emory Peak hike has some insane views, especially close to the top. The park is so far away from any major civilization that it feels truly like you're in the wilderness (+you can see the Milky Way on a cloudless night from there). Plus the terrain is really cool.
Seriously, yet it's hard to get in unless you reserve months in advance.
Quote from: kphoger on January 19, 2024, 02:29:39 PM
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