How many singers, musicians, and groups were subjected to significant ridicule at the height of their popularity?
I don't mean acts who people made fun of once they were considered washed-up has-beens who hadn't had a hit record in years. I mean people who were ridiculed right when they were having big hit records.
People used to make fun of Phil Collins a lot even when he was most popular, but it was mostly pretty lighthearted. He was kind of a goofy guy, and didn't seem to always take himself too seriously, so I guess some ridicule was bound to happen.
But I can think of one and only one recording artist who everyone made fun of mercilessly even when they had a #1 record. The ridicule was absolutely merciless and endless. Can you guess who it is?
Here it comes...
Mr. Big.
New Kids on the Block
NSYNC/Backstreet Boys
Air Supply.
Barry Manilow.
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New Kids on the Block
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NSYNC/Backstreet Boys
That is pretty much SOP for any and all similar boy bands.
I was 3 years old when Fleetwood Mac released Rumours and it seems like there are more people around my age who like them compared to people who were already adults in the late 70s.
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New Kids on the Block
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NSYNC/Backstreet Boys
That is pretty much SOP for any and all similar boy bands.
I think NKOTB had a much higher level of mockery than 'NSync and Backstreet Boys.
The latter two have also enjoyed a rennaissance driven by nostalgia, but NKOTB's attempt went phttbbbbbt.
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New Kids on the Block
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NSYNC/Backstreet Boys
That is pretty much SOP for any and all similar boy bands.
I think NKOTB had a much higher level of mockery than 'NSync and Backstreet Boys.
The latter two have also enjoyed a rennaissance driven by nostalgia, but NKOTB's attempt went phttbbbbbt.
Well, NKOTB did another attempt this time with Rick Astley, Salt-N-Pepa, En Vogue doing a tribute to the 1980s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulJBJYie0l8
Everyone was always talking about how much Primus sucked. They're not as popular as they were back then, but Primus still sucks.
Nickelback
Loverboy
Debby Boone
The Monkees
The Runaways
The Grateful Dead
Wayne Newton
Michael Jackson right after the Pepsi commercial (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/how-michael-jackson-hair-caught-fire-during-a-pepsi-advert-151300703.html)
Wham
Milli Vanilli
Vanilla Ice
Hanson
The Macarena (which ever release)
Nu Metal
All of these acts, along with the aforementioned Mr. Big, ran into trouble with their earnestness clashing with '90s sarcasm and cynicism. With the early '90s acts, they were coming off '80s optimism, positivity, earnestness and commercialism so the fact that the '90s dropped those things so quickly hit them and their management like a ton of bricks. Mr. Big being "Hippie Hair" rather than "Androgyny Hair" such as Motley Crue and Poison was supposed to help and Vanilla Ice being a little edgier than ordinary Novelty Rap was also supposed to mitigate things but at the end of the day they couldn't survive a decade that demanded edginess increase by the month until Peak Edge was reached sometime around 1997-1998. You could say that was Grindcore, Gangsta Rap, late Industrial, Marylin Manson or all of the above. You could tell Peak Edge was over when boy bands were allowed to come back and everything got really poppy by 2000 with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, J.Lo, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia who would have been shouted down in 1995.
I remember a lot of disdain for the Bee Gees when they were on top with Saturday Night Fever. People my age (high school at the time) had definitely been moving away from disco, and the success of that movie and soundtrack sort of helped prolong disco past its expiration date.
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Everyone was always talking about how much Primus sucked. They're not as popular as they were back then, but Primus still sucks.
That was urged on by the band themselves. Love Primus and Primus sucks.
Billy Ray Cyrus
Quote from: GCrites80s on July 10, 2022, 09:27:35 PM
You could tell Peak Edge was over when boy bands were allowed to come back and everything got really poppy by 2000 with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, J.Lo, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia who would have been shouted down in 1995.
It's weird you included New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia in that list. Those are clearly not like the others.
For this thread, I'll add Hanson and Creed.
Yeah, Hanson's a good one. They actually had some talent.
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Yeah, Hanson's a good one. They actually had some talent.
They can sing, but that Mmmbop shit was terrible.
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You could tell Peak Edge was over when boy bands were allowed to come back and everything got really poppy by 2000 with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, J.Lo, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia who would have been shouted down in 1995.
It's weird you included New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia in that list. Those are clearly not like the others.
They had pop hits so they are in play.
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You could tell Peak Edge was over when boy bands were allowed to come back and everything got really poppy by 2000 with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, J.Lo, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia who would have been shouted down in 1995.
It's weird you included New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia in that list. Those are clearly not like the others.
They had pop hits so they are in play.
I mean, so did a million other artists. It doesn't mean that those two are similar to the others on your list. If you give me a task to come up with 100 artists during the 90's with pop hits, I'm very unlikely to come up with those two.
"I'm Like a Bird" "Torn" wasn't 100% poppy and "You Get What You Give" isn't even the most poppy alt song of that era (think "Semi-Charmed Life" instead). I don't think ANYONE made fun of New Radicals nor Natalie Imbruglia.
What about The Bee Gees and their Saturday Night Fever Falsetto gig. Considering all of them proved in early years that they had normal voices, it made it more easy to poke fun at them.
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Yeah, Hanson's a good one. They actually had some talent.
They can sing, but that Mmmbop shit was terrible.
Made them a lot of money.
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You could tell Peak Edge was over when boy bands were allowed to come back and everything got really poppy by 2000 with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, J.Lo, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia who would have been shouted down in 1995.
It's weird you included New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia in that list. Those are clearly not like the others.
They had pop hits so they are in play.
I mean, so did a million other artists. It doesn't mean that those two are similar to the others on your list. If you give me a task to come up with 100 artists during the 90's with pop hits, I'm very unlikely to come up with those two. "I'm Like a Bird" wasn't 100% poppy and "You Get What You Give" isn't even the most poppy alt song of that era (think "Semi-Charmed Life" instead). I don't think ANYONE made fun of New Radicals nor Natalie Imbruglia.
Oh, I'm not saying anyone made fun of the acts I listed at the end. I was saying those acts were allowed to have success without mainstream ridicule
in contrast to Milli Vanilli and Hanson.
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Quote from: GCrites80s on July 10, 2022, 09:27:35 PM
You could tell Peak Edge was over when boy bands were allowed to come back and everything got really poppy by 2000 with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, J.Lo, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia who would have been shouted down in 1995.
It's weird you included New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia in that list. Those are clearly not like the others.
They had pop hits so they are in play.
I mean, so did a million other artists. It doesn't mean that those two are similar to the others on your list. If you give me a task to come up with 100 artists during the 90's with pop hits, I'm very unlikely to come up with those two. "I'm Like a Bird" wasn't 100% poppy and "You Get What You Give" isn't even the most poppy alt song of that era (think "Semi-Charmed Life" instead). I don't think ANYONE made fun of New Radicals nor Natalie Imbruglia.
"I'm Like A Bird" was Nelly Furtado, not Natalie Imbruglia, but otherwise you're right. Never heard anyone making fun of them.
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You could tell Peak Edge was over when boy bands were allowed to come back and everything got really poppy by 2000 with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, J.Lo, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia who would have been shouted down in 1995.
It's weird you included New Radicals and Natalie Imbruglia in that list. Those are clearly not like the others.
They had pop hits so they are in play.
I mean, so did a million other artists. It doesn't mean that those two are similar to the others on your list. If you give me a task to come up with 100 artists during the 90's with pop hits, I'm very unlikely to come up with those two. "I'm Like a Bird" wasn't 100% poppy and "You Get What You Give" isn't even the most poppy alt song of that era (think "Semi-Charmed Life" instead). I don't think ANYONE made fun of New Radicals nor Natalie Imbruglia.
"I'm Like A Bird" was Nelly Furtado, not Natalie Imbruglia, but otherwise you're right. Never heard anyone making fun of them.
Whoops. "Torn" was what I meant.
Pearl Ja
Hootie & the Blowfish
Men at Work
And people still make fun of Nickelback
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Pearl Ja
Hootie & the Blowfish
Men at Work
And people still make fun of Nickelback
I don't remember anyone really making fun of Pearl Jam other than the kind of unintelligible mumbling of Eddie Vedder, but still people liked them. Nirvana was given more trouble for the mumbling, i.e. Weird Al's "Smells Like Nirvana".
Fame begets mockery, whether by jealousy or the nuisance of repetition.
Also, it helps if your name rhymes with a bodily function or weird object.
I recall a lot of jokes about Michael Jackson purportedly being a homosexual during the year or two after Thriller (and long before he faced child molestation allegations). I will not repeat any of said jokes now (to the extent I remember any of them)–times have changed and jokes like that are not generally considered particularly amusing these days, and I'm sure you could find them yourself if you want.
Dire Straits famously made fun of Boy George.
I was a fan of Mr. Big, although "To Be With You" was cheesy. Billy Sheehan is one of the best rock bassists ever. His work with Talas was epic, as were his performances on David Lee Roth's first two solo albums. I would defy anyone to find a better team than Sheehan on bass and Steve Vai on guitar.
Yeah, I made fun of disco artists when disco was popular. I was a rock/metal fan and I hated disco.
I think every then-current superstar is going to get its share of parodies and digs from just about everybody.
Thought of another: Sugar Ray
There were certain songs everyone made fun of, such as that ridiculous "Are You Jimmy Ray." That was the equivalent of "I Do You" by the Jets of several years earlier that everyone made fun of.
Other than "I Do You", people didn't make fun of the Jets that much. And I don't even remember who made "Are You Jimmy Ray", so I don't know if anyone made fun of them.
Prince, Bee Gees, Carpenters, Madonna.
Mike
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There were certain songs everyone made fun of, such as that ridiculous "Are You Jimmy Ray." That was the equivalent of "I Do You" by the Jets of several years earlier that everyone made fun of.
Other than "I Do You", people didn't make fun of the Jets that much. And I don't even remember who made "Are You Jimmy Ray", so I don't know if anyone made fun of them.
His stage name at least was, you guessed it, Jimmy Ray.
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Pearl Ja
Hootie & the Blowfish
Men at Work
And people still make fun of Nickelback
Nickelback, yes. Hootie, somewhat. The others...wut?
Billy Joel, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen
Imagine Dragons
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Billy Joel, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen
To quote
Rothman, wut?
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 11, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
And people still make fun of Nickelback
I was never into the grunge phase or the alt rock (or alternative) that came after it, so I am not taking up for Nickelback. I thought they sucked when they were popular, but the Nickelback hate seems to have been an internet thing. You know, the internet collectively decides this person, act or show is stupid and everyone piles on? Everyone forgets that in the early 2000s, all those same people were blasting Nickelback as loud as they could out of their Fireos. I don't remember any distain toward Nickelback during the height of their success, which put me off because I hated them.
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I don't remember any distain toward Nickelback during the height of their success, which put me off because I hated them.
100% people made fun of them when "This Is How You Remind Me" came out.
No mention of Justin Bieber? That's the first one that comes to my mind.
I think for some in this thread, we need a little bit of definition. The artists listed by the majority here aren't just ones who were popular and also had a subsection of haters, which would happen to almost any celebrity. This is for artists that were almost universally derided after a week or two of their song being popular while a very small sub-section of the populace never got the hint.
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I think for some in this thread, we need a little bit of definition. The artists listed by the majority here aren't just ones who were popular and also had a subsection of haters, which would happen to almost any celebrity. This is for artists that were almost universally derided after a week or two of their song being popular while a very small sub-section of the populace never got the hint.
That describes Rebecca Black's "Friday" from some years ago.
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I don't remember any distain toward Nickelback during the height of their success, which put me off because I hated them.
100% people made fun of them when "This Is How You Remind Me" came out.
Okay, I personally didn't see it. I worked with a lot of people at the time that not only never made fun of them, but that exact song they would sing, even when it wasn't on the radio. Back in the early 2000s, I had exactly 0.0% internet existence (meaning, I used the internet to look up baseball schedules and stats and that was it, no chat rooms or no forums) so if the Nickelback hate was an online thing, I had no clue.
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Quote from: JayhawkCO on July 11, 2022, 01:47:50 PM
I think for some in this thread, we need a little bit of definition. The artists listed by the majority here aren't just ones who were popular and also had a subsection of haters, which would happen to almost any celebrity. This is for artists that were almost universally derided after a week or two of their song being popular while a very small sub-section of the populace never got the hint.
That describes Rebecca Black's "Friday" from some years ago.
I forgot all about that ridiculous song.
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I don't remember any distain toward Nickelback during the height of their success, which put me off because I hated them.
100% people made fun of them when "This Is How You Remind Me" came out.
Okay, I personally didn't see it. I worked with a lot of people at the time that not only never made fun of them, but that exact song they would sing, even when it wasn't on the radio. Back in the early 2000s, I had exactly 0.0% internet existence (meaning, I used the internet to look up baseball schedules and stats and that was it, no chat rooms or no forums) so if the Nickelback hate was an online thing, I had no clue.
It was just a thing among most people I knew in college.
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Billy Joel, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen
To quote Rothman, wut?
I prefer the old fashioned WTF. Whitney did have people making fun of her drug use her last couple years, but that was post-peak popularity. But Springsteen? Billy Joel? Wow!
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Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 11, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
And people still make fun of Nickelback
I was never into the grunge phase or the alt rock (or alternative) that came after it, so I am not taking up for Nickelback. I thought they sucked when they were popular, but the Nickelback hate seems to have been an internet thing. You know, the internet collectively decides this person, act or show is stupid and everyone piles on? Everyone forgets that in the early 2000s, all those same people were blasting Nickelback as loud as they could out of their Fireos. I don't remember any distain toward Nickelback during the height of their success, which put me off because I hated them.
For me, what took the Nickelback criticism from just fun and games to actually legitimate criticism was that video where someone played two or three of their songs at the same time and the timing of the verses/choruses and even most of the chord changes lined up more or less perfectly.
A Flock of Seagulls, with their outlandish hairdos, lyrical themes about outer space, and heavily-played MTV videos.
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A Flock of Seagulls, with their outlandish hairdos, lyrical themes about outer space, and heavily-played MTV videos.
Hm. There's something different about people snickering about them and the outright mockery of the likes of Nickelback.
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Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 11, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
And people still make fun of Nickelback
I was never into the grunge phase or the alt rock (or alternative) that came after it, so I am not taking up for Nickelback. I thought they sucked when they were popular, but the Nickelback hate seems to have been an internet thing. You know, the internet collectively decides this person, act or show is stupid and everyone piles on? Everyone forgets that in the early 2000s, all those same people were blasting Nickelback as loud as they could out of their Fireos. I don't remember any distain toward Nickelback during the height of their success, which put me off because I hated them.
For me, what took the Nickelback criticism from just fun and games to actually legitimate criticism was that video where someone played two or three of their songs at the same time and the timing of the verses/choruses and even most of the chord changes lined up more or less perfectly.
If you want more talent, go for a quarterback next time.
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A Flock of Seagulls, with their outlandish hairdos, lyrical themes about outer space, and heavily-played MTV videos.
Hm. There's something different about people snickering about them and the outright mockery of the likes of Nickelback.
In I Ran, I thought he was a middle aged woman as he looked like an elementary school teacher I once had. Plus the way he recites the line " I never met a girl like you" could be misinterpreted as I never met a guy like you.
Re: Nickelback, while I was never a fan of them I was/am a big fan of the "look at this graph" meme spawned by the Photograph song.
I found it ironic that when Wham first came out and George Michael began liberating guys wearing earrings in both ears. As previously, the protocol for ear piercing for men, was only the left ear and the right ear was for alternative life style men hence Elton John with his right only ear pierced.
Then when Conservative thinkers began poking fun or stating that it he was gay, with Liberal thinkers saying he wasn't at the time as Michael stayed in the closet at first, was very ironic looking back at it today. I even remembered one guy state he was happy the singer of Wham did that as he was weary of of people of the time calling out others who dressed and behaved differently as homosexuals. He was basically defending George Michael for being straight when in fact he wasn't as this was before he publicly came out.
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I found it ironic that when Wham first came out and George Michael began liberating guys wearing earrings in both ears. As previously, the protocol for ear piercing for men, was only the left ear and the right ear was for alternative life style men hence Elton John with his right only ear pierced.
Then when Conservative thinkers began poking fun or stating that it he was gay, with Liberal thinkers saying he wasn't at the time as Michael stayed in the closet at first, was very ironic looking back at it today. I even remembered one guy state he was happy the singer of Wham did that as he was weary of of people of the time calling out others who dressed and behaved differently as homosexuals. He was basically defending George Michael for being straight when in fact he wasn't as this was before he publicly came out.
Interesting. I forgot all about George Michael and that everyone I know loved the crap on him in the late 80s when his solo career was on fire.
Regarding men wearing earrings, I recall the expression "left is right and right is wrong."
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Regarding men wearing earrings, I recall the expression "left is right and right is wrong."
Same applied for which overalls strap you had unbuckled back in the 90's.
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Regarding men wearing earrings, I recall the expression "left is right and right is wrong."
Same applied for which overalls strap you had unbuckled back in the 90's.
I'll take your word for that. I don't ever recall anyone I know wearing overalls during that time period. I recall people wearing them when we were relatively little kids (younger than age 10 or so) and no longer wearing them after that age.
I remember having overalls when I was like 6 years old. I haven't worn them since then...and nor has anyone else I know over that age.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on July 12, 2022, 10:24:46 AM
Regarding men wearing earrings, I recall the expression "left is right and right is wrong."
Same applied for which overalls strap you had unbuckled back in the 90's.
I'll take your word for that. I don't ever recall anyone I know wearing overalls during that time period. I recall people wearing them when we were relatively little kids (younger than age 10 or so) and no longer wearing them after that age.
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Kiss had their fair share of detractors.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on July 12, 2022, 10:24:46 AM
Regarding men wearing earrings, I recall the expression "left is right and right is wrong."
Same applied for which overalls strap you had unbuckled back in the 90's.
I'll take your word for that. I don't ever recall anyone I know wearing overalls during that time period. I recall people wearing them when we were relatively little kids (younger than age 10 or so) and no longer wearing them after that age.
Bonus points if they were Skidz Bibz
I think we have ventured into acts who fit a niche genre that, said genre, had a definite start and stop and that was long before the act or singer was "washed up". Many people have alluded to the death of disco, but I wouldn't say The Beegees were washed up at that time; the genre just came to an abrupt end, and like most things in the world, once something that's insanely popular becomes not popular, let the ridicule begin (and mostly, everyone who was once jamming to all those hits act like they were never doing exactly that "Who me? I never liked disco" as they burn their disco albums)! Same can be said about the death of hair metal. I wouldn't say Def Leopard, Poison, Iron Maiden or Scorpion were washed up when hair metal died, but they received flak for being in the hair metal genre just the same.
The biggest difference with pointing that out is it was almost like night and day. One day they were still on top of the world, and almost like the very next day, hair metal was the butt of all jokes, so you can't say they were ridiculed their entire career despite producing hits. There was a time when everyone was losing their minds over them.
This is in contrast to Hanson or Justin Bieber, who despite success, everyone would kill them for being fake and over poppy to play to the open ($ filled) hand of the 16 year old girls. They were never liked outside that very small demographic.
There was a time in the late '80s when there were hardly any country crossovers on pop radio. But individual country acts usually weren't ridiculed that much, except by people who never liked country in general.
Nashville and the pop machine hadn't become one yet so Country was considered as something for "other people" and left alone. Once Country started pushing itself into everyone's daily lives (not just the South's) in the early '90s it became fair game.
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And people still make fun of Nickelback
I was never into the grunge phase or the alt rock (or alternative) that came after it, so I am not taking up for Nickelback. I thought they sucked when they were popular, but the Nickelback hate seems to have been an internet thing. You know, the internet collectively decides this person, act or show is stupid and everyone piles on? Everyone forgets that in the early 2000s, all those same people were blasting Nickelback as loud as they could out of their Fireos. I don't remember any distain toward Nickelback during the height of their success, which put me off because I hated them.
For me, what took the Nickelback criticism from just fun and games to actually legitimate criticism was that video where someone played two or three of their songs at the same time and the timing of the verses/choruses and even most of the chord changes lined up more or less perfectly.
If you want more talent, go for a quarterback next time.
Do quarterbacks have five times as much talent as Nickelback?
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Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 11, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
And people still make fun of Nickelback
I was never into the grunge phase or the alt rock (or alternative) that came after it, so I am not taking up for Nickelback. I thought they sucked when they were popular, but the Nickelback hate seems to have been an internet thing. You know, the internet collectively decides this person, act or show is stupid and everyone piles on? Everyone forgets that in the early 2000s, all those same people were blasting Nickelback as loud as they could out of their Fireos. I don't remember any distain toward Nickelback during the height of their success, which put me off because I hated them.
For me, what took the Nickelback criticism from just fun and games to actually legitimate criticism was that video where someone played two or three of their songs at the same time and the timing of the verses/choruses and even most of the chord changes lined up more or less perfectly.
If you want more talent, go for a quarterback next time.
Do quarterbacks have five times as much talent as Nickelback?
#dadjokes
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 12, 2022, 06:04:34 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 12, 2022, 08:55:42 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 12, 2022, 12:00:12 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 11, 2022, 01:37:51 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 11, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
And people still make fun of Nickelback
I was never into the grunge phase or the alt rock (or alternative) that came after it, so I am not taking up for Nickelback. I thought they sucked when they were popular, but the Nickelback hate seems to have been an internet thing. You know, the internet collectively decides this person, act or show is stupid and everyone piles on? Everyone forgets that in the early 2000s, all those same people were blasting Nickelback as loud as they could out of their Fireos. I don't remember any distain toward Nickelback during the height of their success, which put me off because I hated them.
For me, what took the Nickelback criticism from just fun and games to actually legitimate criticism was that video where someone played two or three of their songs at the same time and the timing of the verses/choruses and even most of the chord changes lined up more or less perfectly.
If you want more talent, go for a quarterback next time.
Do quarterbacks have five times as much talent as Nickelback?
5 times the refund though.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 12, 2022, 12:00:12 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 11, 2022, 01:37:51 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 11, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
And people still make fun of Nickelback
I was never into the grunge phase or the alt rock (or alternative) that came after it, so I am not taking up for Nickelback. I thought they sucked when they were popular, but the Nickelback hate seems to have been an internet thing. You know, the internet collectively decides this person, act or show is stupid and everyone piles on? Everyone forgets that in the early 2000s, all those same people were blasting Nickelback as loud as they could out of their Fireos. I don't remember any distain toward Nickelback during the height of their success, which put me off because I hated them.
For me, what took the Nickelback criticism from just fun and games to actually legitimate criticism was that video where someone played two or three of their songs at the same time and the timing of the verses/choruses and even most of the chord changes lined up more or less perfectly.
Funny you mention lining up like that. That brings to mind The Spin Doctors, whose songs all line up with that bop-bop-BOP, bop-bopbop-BOP backbeat. And then there was The Ramones, whose songs all had a similar 1-4-5 chord structure.
Quote from: 7/8 on July 11, 2022, 01:44:39 PM
No mention of Justin Bieber? That's the first one that comes to my mind.
I remember some parodies of that scene from CSI where he was shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLiGG0NzZ7Q
Quote from: epzik8 on July 12, 2022, 06:55:35 AM
A Flock of Seagulls, with their outlandish hairdos, lyrical themes about outer space, and heavily-played MTV videos.
Each time I think of them, I thought of that old Diet-Pepsi ad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SvDu89kLM4
Iron Maiden was never hair metal. The Scorpions veered in that direction, but I never considered them in that genre. And Def Leppard started out as NWOBHM, not hair metal.
Poison? Definitely a hair band.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 12, 2022, 08:50:50 PM
Iron Maiden was never hair metal. The Scorpions veered in that direction, but I never considered them in that genre. And Def Leppard started out as NWOBHM, not hair metal.
Poison? Definitely a hair band.
You are...splitting hairs...
Then you don't want to hear that both Iron Maiden and Def Leppard are NWOBHM bands but Iron Maiden is the biggest NWOBHM band even though technically Def Leppard is a bigger band but as a Hair band.
I'm surprised no one ever made fun of Richie or is it Ritchie Blackmore, the famed guitarist from Deep Purple and Rainbow. The man never smiled and had the same facial expression always. Never sung back up either. Just played and looked like he had no emotion.
^ I get the feeling people he played with did considering how poorly he got along with many people he played with.
Kenny G?
Another act that's sort of like this is Milli Vanilli, but they were already in decline a little bit when they were found to be fake. But I think it had been rumored for a while.
When Donny Osmond had his comeback in 1989, people made fun of him a lot, but he was actually more popular in the early '70s.
Quote from: Mr_Northside on July 13, 2022, 09:10:07 AM
Kenny G?
Good call. There's a whole documentary about him and getting ridiculed.
Others people made fun of were Nelson and Kevin Paige.
Quote from: bandit957 on July 13, 2022, 10:00:30 AM
Others people made fun of were Nelson and Kevin Paige.
Ha. Nelson deserved it. Keenan Ivory-Wayans at the American Music Awards said something like, "Are those the whitest people you've ever seen or what?"
Quote from: GCrites80s on July 12, 2022, 09:59:38 PM
Then you don't want to hear that both Iron Maiden and Def Leppard are NWOBHM bands but Iron Maiden is the biggest NWOBHM band even though technically Def Leppard is a bigger band but as a Hair band.
Iron Maiden came along a little later than the initial wave of NWOBHM, didn't they? I have a two-CD compilation of NWOBHM bands and while I have no idea where it is at the moment, this looks familiar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Wave_of_British_Heavy_Metal_%2779_Revisited
I remembered "Rocks Off" being on this, but not Iron Maiden's "Sanctuary."
I have the cassette version and "Sanctuary" (which is not the album version from the first Iron Maiden record) is definitely on there. I think if the tape was any longer it would break but it doesn't have about 5 of the songs on the double CD.
Maiden was definitely around for the entirety of the NWOBHM period. Their first couple of demos were big by 1979 and they were on the radio around London a lot.
I think this conversation about hair metal vs. New Wave British Heavy Metal is really no different between basically the BeeGees. They had several hits in the late 60s, long before the disco days that put them on the map as a singer/songwriter pop band. Did they also evolve into a disco band? Yes they did, but that's not where they started. At the end of the day though, they are labeled and known mostly for their disco work, so that's what they became. Same can be said about Def Leopard or Iron Maiden. They may have started as British Heavy Metal, but they did evolve into the hair metal phase. Even big fans of Iron Maiden acknowledge them as a hair band.
That's the very broad definition of Hair that includes Ozzy solo, Judas Priest, Dio, and Van Halen but not anything as heavy as a Thrash band. It's the "do they play this on Dee Snider's House of Hair radio show" definition. I'd say most people don't think of Maiden and Priest first or even third when they think of Hair. Most times it's going to be Bon Jovi, Poison, Def Leppard, Ratt, or even something like Winger or Kix before their head goes to Dio or Ozzy.
Quote from: Rothman on July 10, 2022, 07:55:08 PM
New Kids on the Block
I was in elementary school at the time. A kid in my class made fun of them by altering a folder adorned with their image. He drew mustaches on their faces, and scratched out "New Kids On The Block", and wrote "Nerdy Kids On The Toilet"
Quote from: 7/8 on July 11, 2022, 01:44:39 PM
No mention of Justin Bieber? That's the first one that comes to my mind.
Oh, hadn't thought of him but that's a good one.
Limp Bizkit. They were cool for about 2 years, and then Nu Metal quickly wore out its welcome.
Village People. They were ridiculed by some because of their disco songs, and by others because of some of the members that are/were gay. Now, whenever "YMCA" is played, most everyone spells out the letters with their arms.
BTW, between my wife and myself, we have their first two albums--vinyl!🙂👍
Quote from: amroad17 on July 14, 2022, 08:25:39 AMNow, whenever "YMCA" is played, most everyone spells out the letters with their arms.
Everyone used to do this with "C-I-T-Y" by John Cafferty & the Beaver Brown Band.