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Longest on/off ramps

Started by MCRoads, April 03, 2021, 08:05:36 PM

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kphoger

Quote from: ilpt4u on September 10, 2022, 12:01:50 AM
It isn't signed as an exit, and its original intent was not to be an exit but reversible Express Lanes along I-70 that crossed the Mississippi River on the Poplar Street Bridge, but it now functions as a really, really, really long exit "ramp"  from I-70 EB to I-44 WB:

The Eastbound I-70 Express Lanes in St Louis. They are no longer reversible/are permanent Eastbound/Inbound. They leave Mainline I-70 at MM 244.4. They never rejoin I-70, as I-70 TsOTSO onto the Stan Musial Veterans' Memorial Bridge, at MM 249.4. The Express Lanes rejoin the Freeway after it becomes the Eastern Origin of I-44, at I-44 MM 292.6. I-44's Easternmost MM is 293.2

The EB 70 TOTSO is not signed as an exit, but continuing onto WB 44 is signed as Left Exit 249A at the origin point of I-44

I think the Express Lanes should be signed as an early exit for I-44 WB and To SB I-55, since there is no access from the Express to continue on Mainline I-70 via the Stan Span

My math says these Express Lanes make up a 5.6 mile exit ramp from I-70 EB to I-44 WB

There are no "return"  ramps to Mainline EB I-70 the full length of the Express Lanes

Wow, that's an awesome one!  I've only driven through there once since I-70 moved over to the Stan Span–and I was taking I-70 then anyway–so I was heretofore unfamiliar with exactly how the express lanes worked at that location.  Nice find!
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ilpt4u

Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2022, 01:49:00 PM
Wow, that's an awesome one!  I've only driven through there once since I-70 moved over to the Stan Span–and I was taking I-70 then anyway–so I was heretofore unfamiliar with exactly how the express lanes worked at that location.  Nice find!
It is signed very poorly at the Express Lane Entrance. Only message on the BGS: "Express Lanes Downtown"  No mention of Next Available Exit, no mention that Thru I-70 CANNOT use the Express, and no mention that the Express Lanes next point of Access is along WB I-44

MoDOT really should resign the Express Lanes with all that information, but the "Main"  BGS at the Express entrance should be "I-44 West/To I-55 South Tulsa/Memphis"

I learned this the hard way, first time flying out of STL since moving to Southern IL: I entered the Express fully expecting it to continue onto the Stan Span. I was a bit shocked that I had to pass the Stan Span, also no Freeway access to the Poplar St Bridge, so basically had to get off I-44 somewhere near the Arch and the casino, and take the Eads Bridge across the MS River to get back on I-64

I know better now. But honestly, this should be signed appropriately. This is the "main"  route for traffic landing at STL Airport and driving to Southern IL. Drivers that may not be Locals and might need to know that the "Express"  is NOT an express for Thru I-70 EB into IL

kphoger

I'd have been shocked too, especially that there was no access to the Poplar Street bridge–that is, no way to accomplish what would surely be my backup plan, of taking what used to be the I-70 exit.
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ilpt4u

Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2022, 04:55:32 PM
I'd have been shocked too, especially that there was no access to the Poplar Street bridge–that is, no way to accomplish what would surely be my backup plan, of taking what used to be the I-70 exit.
Yup, that exit was removed. You can go past the PSB on 44/55 and turn around and come back to the PSB, or exit before it Downtown and use the Eads or MLK Bridges

TheGrassGuy

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Rothman

Quote from: ilpt4u on September 12, 2022, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2022, 04:55:32 PM
I'd have been shocked too, especially that there was no access to the Poplar Street bridge–that is, no way to accomplish what would surely be my backup plan, of taking what used to be the I-70 exit.
Yup, that exit was removed. You can go past the PSB on 44/55 and turn around and come back to the PSB, or exit before it Downtown and use the Eads or MLK Bridges
44/55 is in Poughkeepsie.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

ilpt4u

Quote from: Rothman on September 12, 2022, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 12, 2022, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2022, 04:55:32 PM
I'd have been shocked too, especially that there was no access to the Poplar Street bridge–that is, no way to accomplish what would surely be my backup plan, of taking what used to be the I-70 exit.
Yup, that exit was removed. You can go past the PSB on 44/55 and turn around and come back to the PSB, or exit before it Downtown and use the Eads or MLK Bridges
44/55 is in Poughkeepsie.
???
I-44 and I-55 are duplexed between the I-55 S ramp off the Poplar St Bridge until the 44/55 split in the Soulard STL neighborhood, pretty close to the AB Brewery

Rothman

Quote from: ilpt4u on September 12, 2022, 06:56:59 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 12, 2022, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 12, 2022, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2022, 04:55:32 PM
I'd have been shocked too, especially that there was no access to the Poplar Street bridge–that is, no way to accomplish what would surely be my backup plan, of taking what used to be the I-70 exit.
Yup, that exit was removed. You can go past the PSB on 44/55 and turn around and come back to the PSB, or exit before it Downtown and use the Eads or MLK Bridges
44/55 is in Poughkeepsie.
???
I-44 and I-55 are duplexed between the I-55 S ramp off the Poplar St Bridge until the 44/55 split in the Soulard STL neighborhood, pretty close to the AB Brewery
Nah.  They go across the Mid-Hudson Bridge.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

davewiecking

Quote from: Rothman on September 12, 2022, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 12, 2022, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2022, 04:55:32 PM
I'd have been shocked too, especially that there was no access to the Poplar Street bridge–that is, no way to accomplish what would surely be my backup plan, of taking what used to be the I-70 exit.
Yup, that exit was removed. You can go past the PSB on 44/55 and turn around and come back to the PSB, or exit before it Downtown and use the Eads or MLK Bridges
44/55 is in Poughkeepsie.
US-44/NY-55 is not the same as I-44/I-55.

zachary_amaryllis

Quote from: jlam on June 15, 2021, 09:04:26 PM
I don't know whether this is the longest in Colorado, but the I-76 EB to I-25 NB ramp is 1.5 miles long, maybe a bit longer.
https://tinyurl.com/longramp

You know it's gonna be a good offramp when it has it's own mile markers. They have every, I think 2/10 mile, these 'enhanced' mile markers that are labeled "76 to 25".
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kphoger

Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on September 13, 2022, 08:52:57 AM

Quote from: jlam on June 15, 2021, 09:04:26 PM
I don't know whether this is the longest in Colorado, but the I-76 EB to I-25 NB ramp is 1.5 miles long, maybe a bit longer.
https://tinyurl.com/longramp

You know it's gonna be a good offramp when it has it's own mile markers. They have every, I think 2/10 mile, these 'enhanced' mile markers that are labeled "76 to 25".

Kansas has those at system interchanges, but they don't have mile numbers on them–just the route shields.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
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Male pronouns, please.

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MCRoads

I redesigned the St Louis Express lane sign, and i think this would make a much better sign, especially for those unfamiliar with the area:

I build roads on Minecraft. Like, really good roads.
Interstates traveled:
4/5/10*/11**/12**/15/25*/29*/35(E/W[TX])/40*/44**/49(LA**)/55*/64**/65/66*/70°/71*76(PA*,CO*)/78*°/80*/95°/99(PA**,NY**)

*/** indicates a terminus/termini being traveled
° Indicates a gap (I.E Breezwood, PA.)

more room plz

ilpt4u

#87
Quote from: MCRoads on September 16, 2022, 09:27:41 PM
I redesigned the St Louis Express lane sign, and i think this would make a much better sign, especially for those unfamiliar with the area:


THAT is, at the very least, much closer to what should be posted for the I-70 Express Lanes. On that sign bridge, or even at the current gore point, I would add the "Illinois"  Control for I-70, or use a sign advising "To Illinois: Keep Right"  or "To Illinois: Follow I-70"  or "To Illinois: Use Local Lanes"  Something along those lines

I would add a supplemental sign, advising next available exit: Broadway (I-44 shield) Exit 292B 6 Miles



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