Wisconsin notes

[JoePCool14]

Meanwhile, WisDOT chooses an interesting time (post-election) to insist the plan for I-94 between 70th and 16th streets in Milwaukee really should be 8-lanes.

They note that this new plan only takes one home and 6 business properties, and the 6-lane option only saves $40 million (off a $1.2 billion price tag) while resulting in poor level of service. It includes rebuilding the Stadium interchange as a diverging diamond, for $60 million in savings.

https://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2022/11/11/wisdot-interstate-94-rebuild-east-west.html

I'm all for that plan. If it only takes 7 properties and doesn't increase cost by total amount much, that's worth it. I also think the DDI at the stadium would be appropriate.

[Great Lakes Roads]

Without digging into the linked article, how does WisDOT propose to handle the narrow part in the cemetery, with its legally sealed graves?  In previous proposals, engineers suggested cantilevering the two sides of the freeway to make room for the proposed eight lanes.

Mike

Narrowing the lanes to 10-11 feet and narrowing the shoulders to around 4 feet.

[SSOWorld]

Without digging into the linked article, how does WisDOT propose to handle the narrow part in the cemetery, with its legally sealed graves?  In previous proposals, engineers suggested cantilevering the two sides of the freeway to make room for the proposed eight lanes.

Mike

Narrowing the lanes to 10-11 feet and narrowing the shoulders to around 4 feet.

Route trucks onto 894 to bypass Chicago

[thspfc]

Without digging into the linked article, how does WisDOT propose to handle the narrow part in the cemetery, with its legally sealed graves? In previous proposals, engineers suggested cantilevering the two sides of the freeway to make room for the proposed eight lanes.

Dead end on both sides.

[SEWIGuy]

Yeah I believe Wisconsin now just has a couple of spur routes unsigned. Both are less than a half mile long.

42 and 794.

I was thinking of a Spur US-51 in Beloit.

[Big John]

I was thinking of the Ashland Ave spur of WI 32 in De Pere.

[gr8daynegb]

I was thinking of the Ashland Ave spur of WI 32 in De Pere.

One of those roads in the Green Bay/DePere area that I wonder why it's there.  Just have 32 join 41 until it reaches 29 and can have VK be extended over 32 from Kwik trip in Depere until Lombardi Ave.  That or keep 32 going on Ashland Avenue until it reaches 29 then they both head west towards Shawano/Pulaski

[SEWIGuy]

I was thinking of the Ashland Ave spur of WI 32 in De Pere.

Do you mean Main Street?  The section of Main Street in De Pere between I-41 and WI-32 used to be a spur route, but I believe that was removed awhile ago.

One of those roads in the Green Bay/DePere area that I wonder why it's there.  Just have 32 join 41 until it reaches 29 and can have VK be extended over 32 from Kwik trip in Depere until Lombardi Ave.  That or keep 32 going on Ashland Avenue until it reaches 29 then they both head west towards Shawano/Pulaski

I think Ashland Avenue between De Pere and Green Bay is "worthy" of being a state highway.  It doesn't go all the way to WI-29 though because technically WI-29 doesn't use the interchange with I-41. (It goes under the interchanges and continues along Shawano Avenue to next exit at Packerland.)  So they routed WI-32 along WI-54 and I-41 so the section of highway between Packerland and I-41 is on the state highway system. 

[hobsini2]

Speaking of the Wis 29 & I/US 41 JCT in Green Bay, I do have a couple small issues with a few of the signs leading up to the JCT, specifically Eastbound on 29. I am going to do a redesign of these signs under the sign redesign thread this weekend. But here are the signs I have the issue with:

1. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.551932,-88.1099419,3a,75y,126.15h,82.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEQ8c_4-K3y4CaraRy-SDgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
2. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.547793,-88.0999179,3a,75y,116.72h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7dUn7eycbhD8_N5f1YThxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
3. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5460744,-88.0957466,3a,75y,117.64h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2XRzB86ZRKb6r00MRWTK4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

I know simplicity is the way to go but a couple things are missing.
In the first one, I-41 technically is a left exit from Wis 29.
In the next 2, they put up Hwy EB but fail to mention that EB is Packerland Dr, a major roadway on the west side. Google doesn't even bother to label it as Hwy EB. They label it as Packerland and Cardinal. Otherwise, have a side sign that says Packerland and Cardinal, Next Right.  And as for the Green Bay control, I think you would be better having Shawano Ave as the control because you are coming off a freeway onto a city street if you are stay on 29.

[SEWIGuy]

Speaking of the Wis 29 & I/US 41 JCT in Green Bay, I do have a couple small issues with a few of the signs leading up to the JCT, specifically Eastbound on 29. I am going to do a redesign of these signs under the sign redesign thread this weekend. But here are the signs I have the issue with:

1. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.551932,-88.1099419,3a,75y,126.15h,82.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEQ8c_4-K3y4CaraRy-SDgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
2. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.547793,-88.0999179,3a,75y,116.72h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7dUn7eycbhD8_N5f1YThxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
3. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5460744,-88.0957466,3a,75y,117.64h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2XRzB86ZRKb6r00MRWTK4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

I know simplicity is the way to go but a couple things are missing.
In the first one, I-41 technically is a left exit from Wis 29.
In the next 2, they put up Hwy EB but fail to mention that EB is Packerland Dr, a major roadway on the west side. Google doesn't even bother to label it as Hwy EB. They label it as Packerland and Cardinal. Otherwise, have a side sign that says Packerland and Cardinal, Next Right.  And as for the Green Bay control, I think you would be better having Shawano Ave as the control because you are coming off a freeway onto a city street if you are stay on 29.

Yeah that last one shows exactly what I am talking about.  WI-29 leaves the highway before the interchange, so if WI-32 weren't routed along it to I-41, there would technically be no number for it's last stretch.

Which is terribly annoying.  Sometimes it doesn't help to be a roadgeeek.  For instance, the last time I took this exit, I wanted to get onto the surface street, which I knew was West WI-29.

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5434277,-88.0734135,3a,75y,209.38h,92.52t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sBStvqbBRJORMY_hOiyAMsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

So I took the West WI-29 exit, only to find myself on the highway.  But look!  When you go straight to Shawano Avenue, it also is marked West WI-29!

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5396604,-88.0770901,3a,75y,242.59h,93.21t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sSZrlKyfZOwEnN_kYH6Pl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

[hobsini2]

While I am thinking about it, why couldn't the interchange on the Beltline in Madison for US 18 West / 151 South / Midvale Blvd (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0368372,-89.4540012,16.33z/data=!5m1!1e1) be designed the same way that Wis 29 and I/US 41 (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5424713,-88.0684557,15.19z/data=!5m1!1e1) is? I know it is tight spacing but I think it could work well.

[Big John]

I was thinking of the Ashland Ave spur of WI 32 in De Pere.

Do you mean Main Street?  The section of Main Street in De Pere between I-41 and WI-32 used to be a spur route, but I believe that was removed awhile ago.

One of those roads in the Green Bay/DePere area that I wonder why it's there.  Just have 32 join 41 until it reaches 29 and can have VK be extended over 32 from Kwik trip in Depere until Lombardi Ave.  That or keep 32 going on Ashland Avenue until it reaches 29 then they both head west towards Shawano/Pulaski

I think Ashland Avenue between De Pere and Green Bay is "worthy" of being a state highway.  It doesn't go all the way to WI-29 though because technically WI-29 doesn't use the interchange with I-41. (It goes under the interchanges and continues along Shawano Avenue to next exit at Packerland.)  So they routed WI-32 along WI-54 and I-41 so the section of highway between Packerland and I-41 is on the state highway system. 

I mean the piece just north of Main Avenue (not Street).  It used to be US 41 prior to the freeway segment from there to Lombardi Ave being built circa 1974.

[skluth]

Speaking of the Wis 29 & I/US 41 JCT in Green Bay, I do have a couple small issues with a few of the signs leading up to the JCT, specifically Eastbound on 29. I am going to do a redesign of these signs under the sign redesign thread this weekend. But here are the signs I have the issue with:

1. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.551932,-88.1099419,3a,75y,126.15h,82.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEQ8c_4-K3y4CaraRy-SDgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
2. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.547793,-88.0999179,3a,75y,116.72h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7dUn7eycbhD8_N5f1YThxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
3. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5460744,-88.0957466,3a,75y,117.64h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2XRzB86ZRKb6r00MRWTK4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

I know simplicity is the way to go but a couple things are missing.
In the first one, I-41 technically is a left exit from Wis 29.
In the next 2, they put up Hwy EB but fail to mention that EB is Packerland Dr, a major roadway on the west side. Google doesn't even bother to label it as Hwy EB. They label it as Packerland and Cardinal. Otherwise, have a side sign that says Packerland and Cardinal, Next Right.  And as for the Green Bay control, I think you would be better having Shawano Ave as the control because you are coming off a freeway onto a city street if you are stay on 29.

Yeah that last one shows exactly what I am talking about.  WI-29 leaves the highway before the interchange, so if WI-32 weren't routed along it to I-41, there would technically be no number for it's last stretch.

Which is terribly annoying.  Sometimes it doesn't help to be a roadgeeek.  For instance, the last time I took this exit, I wanted to get onto the surface street, which I knew was West WI-29.

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5434277,-88.0734135,3a,75y,209.38h,92.52t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sBStvqbBRJORMY_hOiyAMsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

So I took the West WI-29 exit, only to find myself on the highway.  But look!  When you go straight to Shawano Avenue, it also is marked West WI-29!

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5396604,-88.0770901,3a,75y,242.59h,93.21t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sSZrlKyfZOwEnN_kYH6Pl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

If WI 32 was routed concurrent with WI 29 from south of Pulaski to Ashland Av, the unmarked portion of the interchange would be no different than this or this. And if Ohio ever replaces the I-76/I-80 interchange with something with flyover ramps, there is a good chance both highways will be on flyover ramps and no highway as drivers traverse the bridge, over or under.

[Molandfreak]

Speaking of the Wis 29 & I/US 41 JCT in Green Bay, I do have a couple small issues with a few of the signs leading up to the JCT, specifically Eastbound on 29. I am going to do a redesign of these signs under the sign redesign thread this weekend. But here are the signs I have the issue with:

1. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.551932,-88.1099419,3a,75y,126.15h,82.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEQ8c_4-K3y4CaraRy-SDgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
2. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.547793,-88.0999179,3a,75y,116.72h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7dUn7eycbhD8_N5f1YThxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
3. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5460744,-88.0957466,3a,75y,117.64h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2XRzB86ZRKb6r00MRWTK4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

I know simplicity is the way to go but a couple things are missing.
In the first one, I-41 technically is a left exit from Wis 29.
In the next 2, they put up Hwy EB but fail to mention that EB is Packerland Dr, a major roadway on the west side. Google doesn't even bother to label it as Hwy EB. They label it as Packerland and Cardinal. Otherwise, have a side sign that says Packerland and Cardinal, Next Right.  And as for the Green Bay control, I think you would be better having Shawano Ave as the control because you are coming off a freeway onto a city street if you are stay on 29.

Yeah that last one shows exactly what I am talking about.  WI-29 leaves the highway before the interchange, so if WI-32 weren't routed along it to I-41, there would technically be no number for it's last stretch.

Which is terribly annoying.  Sometimes it doesn't help to be a roadgeeek.  For instance, the last time I took this exit, I wanted to get onto the surface street, which I knew was West WI-29.

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5434277,-88.0734135,3a,75y,209.38h,92.52t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sBStvqbBRJORMY_hOiyAMsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

So I took the West WI-29 exit, only to find myself on the highway.  But look!  When you go straight to Shawano Avenue, it also is marked West WI-29!

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5396604,-88.0770901,3a,75y,242.59h,93.21t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sSZrlKyfZOwEnN_kYH6Pl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

If WI 32 was routed concurrent with WI 29 from south of Pulaski to Ashland Av, the unmarked portion of the interchange would be no different than this or this. And if Ohio ever replaces the I-76/I-80 interchange with something with flyover ramps, there is a good chance both highways will be on flyover ramps and no highway as drivers traverse the bridge, over or under.

Plus all the WI trunk highway spurs are unsigned, and WI 341 was also unsigned, so it's not like WisDOT hasn't hidden a trunk highway designation before.

[Molandfreak]

While I am thinking about it, why couldn't the interchange on the Beltline in Madison for US 18 West / 151 South / Midvale Blvd (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0368372,-89.4540012,16.33z/data=!5m1!1e1) be designed the same way that Wis 29 and I/US 41 (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5424713,-88.0684557,15.19z/data=!5m1!1e1) is? I know it is tight spacing but I think it could work well.

That's the plan, eventually they will tear out the Seminole Highway ramps and have flyover ramps that will make a direct connection. It'll only be ramps to make a direct freeway connection to and from US 18/151, but it'll be better than nothing.

[Alps]

Speaking of the Wis 29 & I/US 41 JCT in Green Bay, I do have a couple small issues with a few of the signs leading up to the JCT, specifically Eastbound on 29. I am going to do a redesign of these signs under the sign redesign thread this weekend. But here are the signs I have the issue with:

1. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.551932,-88.1099419,3a,75y,126.15h,82.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEQ8c_4-K3y4CaraRy-SDgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
2. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.547793,-88.0999179,3a,75y,116.72h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7dUn7eycbhD8_N5f1YThxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
3. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5460744,-88.0957466,3a,75y,117.64h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2XRzB86ZRKb6r00MRWTK4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

I know simplicity is the way to go but a couple things are missing.
In the first one, I-41 technically is a left exit from Wis 29.
In the next 2, they put up Hwy EB but fail to mention that EB is Packerland Dr, a major roadway on the west side. Google doesn't even bother to label it as Hwy EB. They label it as Packerland and Cardinal. Otherwise, have a side sign that says Packerland and Cardinal, Next Right.  And as for the Green Bay control, I think you would be better having Shawano Ave as the control because you are coming off a freeway onto a city street if you are stay on 29.

Yeah that last one shows exactly what I am talking about.  WI-29 leaves the highway before the interchange, so if WI-32 weren't routed along it to I-41, there would technically be no number for it's last stretch.

Which is terribly annoying.  Sometimes it doesn't help to be a roadgeeek.  For instance, the last time I took this exit, I wanted to get onto the surface street, which I knew was West WI-29.

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5434277,-88.0734135,3a,75y,209.38h,92.52t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sBStvqbBRJORMY_hOiyAMsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

So I took the West WI-29 exit, only to find myself on the highway.  But look!  When you go straight to Shawano Avenue, it also is marked West WI-29!

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5396604,-88.0770901,3a,75y,242.59h,93.21t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sSZrlKyfZOwEnN_kYH6Pl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

If WI 32 was routed concurrent with WI 29 from south of Pulaski to Ashland Av, the unmarked portion of the interchange would be no different than this or this. And if Ohio ever replaces the I-76/I-80 interchange with something with flyover ramps, there is a good chance both highways will be on flyover ramps and no highway as drivers traverse the bridge, over or under.

This is getting OT but that's probably a case where the official highway goes to the centerline and then turns up the other centerline. They wouldn't define the ramps as a highway alignment.

[SEWIGuy]

Speaking of the Wis 29 & I/US 41 JCT in Green Bay, I do have a couple small issues with a few of the signs leading up to the JCT, specifically Eastbound on 29. I am going to do a redesign of these signs under the sign redesign thread this weekend. But here are the signs I have the issue with:

1. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.551932,-88.1099419,3a,75y,126.15h,82.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEQ8c_4-K3y4CaraRy-SDgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
2. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.547793,-88.0999179,3a,75y,116.72h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7dUn7eycbhD8_N5f1YThxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
3. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5460744,-88.0957466,3a,75y,117.64h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2XRzB86ZRKb6r00MRWTK4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

I know simplicity is the way to go but a couple things are missing.
In the first one, I-41 technically is a left exit from Wis 29.
In the next 2, they put up Hwy EB but fail to mention that EB is Packerland Dr, a major roadway on the west side. Google doesn't even bother to label it as Hwy EB. They label it as Packerland and Cardinal. Otherwise, have a side sign that says Packerland and Cardinal, Next Right.  And as for the Green Bay control, I think you would be better having Shawano Ave as the control because you are coming off a freeway onto a city street if you are stay on 29.

Yeah that last one shows exactly what I am talking about.  WI-29 leaves the highway before the interchange, so if WI-32 weren't routed along it to I-41, there would technically be no number for it's last stretch.

Which is terribly annoying.  Sometimes it doesn't help to be a roadgeeek.  For instance, the last time I took this exit, I wanted to get onto the surface street, which I knew was West WI-29.

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5434277,-88.0734135,3a,75y,209.38h,92.52t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sBStvqbBRJORMY_hOiyAMsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

So I took the West WI-29 exit, only to find myself on the highway.  But look!  When you go straight to Shawano Avenue, it also is marked West WI-29!

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5396604,-88.0770901,3a,75y,242.59h,93.21t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sSZrlKyfZOwEnN_kYH6Pl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

If WI 32 was routed concurrent with WI 29 from south of Pulaski to Ashland Av, the unmarked portion of the interchange would be no different than this or this. And if Ohio ever replaces the I-76/I-80 interchange with something with flyover ramps, there is a good chance both highways will be on flyover ramps and no highway as drivers traverse the bridge, over or under.

Plus all the WI trunk highway spurs are unsigned, and WI 341 was also unsigned, so it's not like WisDOT hasn't hidden a trunk highway designation before.

Or they could just keep it as it is now, which keeps that portion of Ashland Ave off the state highway system.

[mgk920]

Speaking of the Wis 29 & I/US 41 JCT in Green Bay, I do have a couple small issues with a few of the signs leading up to the JCT, specifically Eastbound on 29. I am going to do a redesign of these signs under the sign redesign thread this weekend. But here are the signs I have the issue with:

1. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.551932,-88.1099419,3a,75y,126.15h,82.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEQ8c_4-K3y4CaraRy-SDgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
2. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.547793,-88.0999179,3a,75y,116.72h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7dUn7eycbhD8_N5f1YThxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
3. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5460744,-88.0957466,3a,75y,117.64h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2XRzB86ZRKb6r00MRWTK4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

I know simplicity is the way to go but a couple things are missing.
In the first one, I-41 technically is a left exit from Wis 29.
In the next 2, they put up Hwy EB but fail to mention that EB is Packerland Dr, a major roadway on the west side. Google doesn't even bother to label it as Hwy EB. They label it as Packerland and Cardinal. Otherwise, have a side sign that says Packerland and Cardinal, Next Right.  And as for the Green Bay control, I think you would be better having Shawano Ave as the control because you are coming off a freeway onto a city street if you are stay on 29.

Yeah that last one shows exactly what I am talking about.  WI-29 leaves the highway before the interchange, so if WI-32 weren't routed along it to I-41, there would technically be no number for it's last stretch.

Which is terribly annoying.  Sometimes it doesn't help to be a roadgeeek.  For instance, the last time I took this exit, I wanted to get onto the surface street, which I knew was West WI-29.

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5434277,-88.0734135,3a,75y,209.38h,92.52t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sBStvqbBRJORMY_hOiyAMsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

So I took the West WI-29 exit, only to find myself on the highway.  But look!  When you go straight to Shawano Avenue, it also is marked West WI-29!

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5396604,-88.0770901,3a,75y,242.59h,93.21t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sSZrlKyfZOwEnN_kYH6Pl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

If WI 32 was routed concurrent with WI 29 from south of Pulaski to Ashland Av, the unmarked portion of the interchange would be no different than this or this. And if Ohio ever replaces the I-76/I-80 interchange with something with flyover ramps, there is a good chance both highways will be on flyover ramps and no highway as drivers traverse the bridge, over or under.

Plus all the WI trunk highway spurs are unsigned, and WI 341 was also unsigned, so it's not like WisDOT hasn't hidden a trunk highway designation before.

There was a WI 341 sign on one of the parking lot access roads at Miller Park.

As for WI 29 in Green Bay, I'd just cut it back to I-41 (Shawano interchange) and find a new number for the part farther east.

Mike

[hobsini2]

The redesign of the signs on 29 at 41 that I mentioned I would do have been posted in the road related illustrations section, redesign this thread.

[Molandfreak]

Speaking of the Wis 29 & I/US 41 JCT in Green Bay, I do have a couple small issues with a few of the signs leading up to the JCT, specifically Eastbound on 29. I am going to do a redesign of these signs under the sign redesign thread this weekend. But here are the signs I have the issue with:

1. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.551932,-88.1099419,3a,75y,126.15h,82.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEQ8c_4-K3y4CaraRy-SDgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
2. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.547793,-88.0999179,3a,75y,116.72h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7dUn7eycbhD8_N5f1YThxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
3. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5460744,-88.0957466,3a,75y,117.64h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2XRzB86ZRKb6r00MRWTK4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

I know simplicity is the way to go but a couple things are missing.
In the first one, I-41 technically is a left exit from Wis 29.
In the next 2, they put up Hwy EB but fail to mention that EB is Packerland Dr, a major roadway on the west side. Google doesn't even bother to label it as Hwy EB. They label it as Packerland and Cardinal. Otherwise, have a side sign that says Packerland and Cardinal, Next Right.  And as for the Green Bay control, I think you would be better having Shawano Ave as the control because you are coming off a freeway onto a city street if you are stay on 29.

Yeah that last one shows exactly what I am talking about.  WI-29 leaves the highway before the interchange, so if WI-32 weren't routed along it to I-41, there would technically be no number for it's last stretch.

Which is terribly annoying.  Sometimes it doesn't help to be a roadgeeek.  For instance, the last time I took this exit, I wanted to get onto the surface street, which I knew was West WI-29.

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5434277,-88.0734135,3a,75y,209.38h,92.52t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sBStvqbBRJORMY_hOiyAMsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

So I took the West WI-29 exit, only to find myself on the highway.  But look!  When you go straight to Shawano Avenue, it also is marked West WI-29!

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5396604,-88.0770901,3a,75y,242.59h,93.21t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sSZrlKyfZOwEnN_kYH6Pl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

If WI 32 was routed concurrent with WI 29 from south of Pulaski to Ashland Av, the unmarked portion of the interchange would be no different than this or this. And if Ohio ever replaces the I-76/I-80 interchange with something with flyover ramps, there is a good chance both highways will be on flyover ramps and no highway as drivers traverse the bridge, over or under.

Plus all the WI trunk highway spurs are unsigned, and WI 341 was also unsigned, so it's not like WisDOT hasn't hidden a trunk highway designation before.

Or they could just keep it as it is now, which keeps that portion of Ashland Ave off the state highway system.

Yes of course. But the point is that they weren't forced to use WIS 32 as a crutch on the flyover ramps in order to keep those ramps in the trunk highway system.

[SEWIGuy]

Speaking of the Wis 29 & I/US 41 JCT in Green Bay, I do have a couple small issues with a few of the signs leading up to the JCT, specifically Eastbound on 29. I am going to do a redesign of these signs under the sign redesign thread this weekend. But here are the signs I have the issue with:

1. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.551932,-88.1099419,3a,75y,126.15h,82.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEQ8c_4-K3y4CaraRy-SDgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
2. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.547793,-88.0999179,3a,75y,116.72h,83.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7dUn7eycbhD8_N5f1YThxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
3. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5460744,-88.0957466,3a,75y,117.64h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2XRzB86ZRKb6r00MRWTK4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

I know simplicity is the way to go but a couple things are missing.
In the first one, I-41 technically is a left exit from Wis 29.
In the next 2, they put up Hwy EB but fail to mention that EB is Packerland Dr, a major roadway on the west side. Google doesn't even bother to label it as Hwy EB. They label it as Packerland and Cardinal. Otherwise, have a side sign that says Packerland and Cardinal, Next Right.  And as for the Green Bay control, I think you would be better having Shawano Ave as the control because you are coming off a freeway onto a city street if you are stay on 29.

Yeah that last one shows exactly what I am talking about.  WI-29 leaves the highway before the interchange, so if WI-32 weren't routed along it to I-41, there would technically be no number for it's last stretch.

Which is terribly annoying.  Sometimes it doesn't help to be a roadgeeek.  For instance, the last time I took this exit, I wanted to get onto the surface street, which I knew was West WI-29.

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5434277,-88.0734135,3a,75y,209.38h,92.52t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sBStvqbBRJORMY_hOiyAMsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

So I took the West WI-29 exit, only to find myself on the highway.  But look!  When you go straight to Shawano Avenue, it also is marked West WI-29!

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5396604,-88.0770901,3a,75y,242.59h,93.21t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sSZrlKyfZOwEnN_kYH6Pl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28!5m1!1e1

If WI 32 was routed concurrent with WI 29 from south of Pulaski to Ashland Av, the unmarked portion of the interchange would be no different than this or this. And if Ohio ever replaces the I-76/I-80 interchange with something with flyover ramps, there is a good chance both highways will be on flyover ramps and no highway as drivers traverse the bridge, over or under.

Plus all the WI trunk highway spurs are unsigned, and WI 341 was also unsigned, so it's not like WisDOT hasn't hidden a trunk highway designation before.

Or they could just keep it as it is now, which keeps that portion of Ashland Ave off the state highway system.

Yes of course. But the point is that they weren't forced to use WIS 32 as a crutch on the flyover ramps in order to keep those ramps in the trunk highway system.

Who said they were "forced?"  

[peterj920]

Governor Evers tweeted a picture of a photo shoot for the upcoming new map. There hasn't been a new map in a while but there aren't really any major updates outside of Wis 23 expansion between Fond Du Lac and Plymouth. I am hoping that US 12/The Beltline in Madison, Wis 145 in Milwaukee, and Wis 119 are back to being marked as freeways instead of 4 lane divided highways.

[mgk920]

Governor Evers tweeted a picture of a photo shoot for the upcoming new map. There hasn't been a new map in a while but there aren't really any major updates outside of Wis 23 expansion between Fond Du Lac and Plymouth. I am hoping that US 12/The Beltline in Madison, Wis 145 in Milwaukee, and Wis 119 are back to being marked as freeways instead of 4 lane divided highways.

I would assume that the WI 15 Hortonville bypass is at least shown as being under construction.

Mike

[GeekJedi]

I was at my storage shed yesterday (next to the tracks on Merrill Hills Rd. in Waukesha) and it really drives home why the West Bypass was needed. I used to live on Mac Arthur Rd., so I could see for years that Merrill Hills was unsafe.

However, just look at Merrill Hills off of Sunset and look at how narrow the road is and how close the trees are to the road. Then look over at the bypass and see the traffic there.

When I was growing up, Merrill Hills was a fairly quiet country road. It ended at a "T" intersection with US-18. However once it was extended north, traffic picked up. Trying to make a left onto Merrill Hills anywhere between Sunset Dr. and 18 was a challenge, often ending in a crash. The speed limit was 45 with people doing 55 on a road with no shoulders and limited sight lines.

Long story short, despite some rumblings on the expense, in hindsight finally finishing the bypass was necessary. I'm glad it's done!

[SSOWorld]

I was miffed at the need for a bypass to the south of Waukesha when I-94 went to the north