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Started by Roadrunner75, July 30, 2014, 09:53:00 PM

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NJRoadfan

Exit 25 southbound is now signed "US-9 South/Ocean City", there are reassurance markers on the GSP showing the multiplex as well. Exit 29 northbound was always signed for US-9 North, although that sign with the silly shield is gone.


dgolub

Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 19, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Exit 25 southbound is now signed "US-9 South/Ocean City", there are reassurance markers on the GSP showing the multiplex as well. Exit 29 northbound was always signed for US-9 North, although that sign with the silly shield is gone.

I'll need to find an excuse to get down there again some time, since my pictures from back in October still have the old signs.

Roadgeek Adam

Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 19, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Exit 25 southbound is now signed "US-9 South/Ocean City", there are reassurance markers on the GSP showing the multiplex as well. Exit 29 northbound was always signed for US-9 North, although that sign with the silly shield is gone.

Interstate Black 9 is gone? Boo.
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Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 19, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Exit 25 southbound is now signed "US-9 South/Ocean City", there are reassurance markers on the GSP showing the multiplex as well. Exit 29 northbound was always signed for US-9 North, although that sign with the silly shield is gone.

There was at least one "reassurance marker" that had a Temporary banner.  Is that gone now as well?  (I think it was southbound just north of the bridge.)

NJRoadfan

Anything that said "temporary" is gone.

noelbotevera

Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 24, 2016, 02:12:49 PM
Anything that said "temporary" is gone.
The 2 mile advance for the Beesley's Point Bridge on US 9 in Somers Point is still there. Then again, that's of late June 2015.

bzakharin

Looks like they installed new overhead signs for exits 38 and 38A northbound (at least. I don't see the signs southbound since that's where I enter). Don't have pictures unfortunately, but it looks like 38A will be a single lane exit instead of 1.5 lanes like it was before construction started.

roadman65

Quote from: bzakharin on February 23, 2016, 10:55:44 AM
Looks like they installed new overhead signs for exits 38 and 38A northbound (at least. I don't see the signs southbound since that's where I enter). Don't have pictures unfortunately, but it looks like 38A will be a single lane exit instead of 1.5 lanes like it was before construction started.
I take Philadelphia solely will be the control now under new signs.

Is 38A still that or did they adjust it to be 38A and 38B like they did 140 and 140A in Union?
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PHLBOS

Quote from: roadman65 on February 23, 2016, 05:36:06 PMIs 38A still that or did they adjust it to be 38A and 38B like they did 140 and 140A in Union?
Given that the effort that was made to renumber those interchanges (along with a few others) in Union County and the more stricter adherence to MUTCD being displayed; my guess would be yes.

Quote from: roadman65 on February 23, 2016, 05:36:06 PMI take Philadelphia solely will be the control now under new signs.
As far as the exit signs for the westbound ACE is concerned; IMHO, NJTA could still cheat and keep both the Camden & Philadelphia listings on the main panels (per the existing BGS'); but they're more likely to use Philadelphia for the main signage and have supplemental signage for Camden.  Again, such is only personal speculation.  Someone else on this site may have more accurate information regarding the final signage for this interchange.
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: bzakharin on February 23, 2016, 10:55:44 AM
Looks like they installed new overhead signs for exits 38 and 38A northbound (at least. I don't see the signs southbound since that's where I enter). Don't have pictures unfortunately, but it looks like 38A will be a single lane exit instead of 1.5 lanes like it was before construction started.

1.5 lanes?  It's always been a full 2 lane cloverleaf.

The NJ Turnpike Authority map of the project doesn't show any lane reduction on the ramp. http://www.state.nj.us/turnpike/documents/4_2014_map_improve_36_37_38.pdf

When I was down there recently I took some pictures.  I'll try to look them up to see if I happened to get a current pic of the signage.  That said, as the project has a lot going on, anything current may not be permanent.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: roadman65 on February 23, 2016, 05:36:06 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on February 23, 2016, 10:55:44 AM
Looks like they installed new overhead signs for exits 38 and 38A northbound (at least. I don't see the signs southbound since that's where I enter). Don't have pictures unfortunately, but it looks like 38A will be a single lane exit instead of 1.5 lanes like it was before construction started.
I take Philadelphia solely will be the control now under new signs.

Is 38A still that or did they adjust it to be 38A and 38B like they did 140 and 140A in Union?

Actually, Camden is the sole WB control city!

And while the signs currently still show Exit 38 then 38A, it seems this is clearly just temporary, as a blacked out sign above Exit 38, along with the extra room next to Exit 38, indicates that this will be changed to 38A & 38B.  What's interesting is if it will be the wrong way though (38B before 38A, whereas going northbound it should be 38A then 38B), as there isn't any current indication 38A will be changed.





PHLBOS

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2016, 02:37:35 PM
I'm surprised that the AC Expressway logo shield isn't used on the BGS'.  The full-text A C Expressway listing makes for some wide sign boards.

I guess that using Camden instead of Philly allows for a narrower BGS in that first pic (layout style looks similar to what one sees at Maryland cloverleafs).

I'm assuming that there will be a supplemental Philadelphia sign for Exit 38A (Future Exit 38B) erected in the foreseeable future.
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jeffandnicole

I think there's already a supplemental Philly sign prior to the 322 & AC Expressway exits.

bzakharin

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
Quote from: bzakharin on February 23, 2016, 10:55:44 AM
Looks like they installed new overhead signs for exits 38 and 38A northbound (at least. I don't see the signs southbound since that's where I enter). Don't have pictures unfortunately, but it looks like 38A will be a single lane exit instead of 1.5 lanes like it was before construction started.

1.5 lanes?  It's always been a full 2 lane cloverleaf.

The NJ Turnpike Authority map of the project doesn't show any lane reduction on the ramp. http://www.state.nj.us/turnpike/documents/4_2014_map_improve_36_37_38.pdf

When I was down there recently I took some pictures.  I'll try to look them up to see if I happened to get a current pic of the signage.  That said, as the project has a lot going on, anything current may not be permanent.
What I meant by 1.5 lanes was that the right lane was "Exit Only" while the lane to the left of it split into a second exit lane and a thru lane (which ended almost immediately, though). As you see in the now posted photo, the new sign just has an "Exit Only" lane with no mention of another lane.

Alps

Quote from: PHLBOS on February 24, 2016, 02:56:47 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2016, 02:37:35 PM
I'm surprised that the AC Expressway logo shield isn't used on the BGS'.  The full-text A C Expressway listing makes for some wide sign boards.

I guess that using Camden instead of Philly allows for a narrower BGS in that first pic (layout style looks similar to what one sees at Maryland cloverleafs).

I'm assuming that there will be a supplemental Philadelphia sign for Exit 38A (Future Exit 38B) erected in the foreseeable future.
The ACE is a separate agency. Why would the NJTA want to promote them? In seriousness, I imagine they would have had to spell out the name in addition to providing the logo, because it's not as recognizable as the GSP and NJTP (and even then the name is usually spelled out as well). As for destinations, I'd have to think the ACE NB gets signed for Philly.

jeffandnicole

The ramp is still two lanes.  The configuration at takeoff is a bit different now due to the construction.  In the future, that .5 lane you refer to will remain a true lane. 

At the top of the cloverleaf when on the AC Expressway, the inner lane becomes the ramp to the GSP South.  The outer lane ends and tapers off just after that GSP South Ramp.

A small thing to note:  While these GSP signs show "A C Expressway", over on the NJ Turnpike for Exit 3, they use "Atlantic City Exp" (Personally, they should've just used "Atlantic City"). 

cpzilliacus

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2016, 09:41:40 PM
(Personally, they should've just used "Atlantic City"). 

Personally, this Breezewood should be removed in favor of a Turnpike Exit 2A.  ;-)

Atlantic City could use the improved highway access from the south and west, and if anyone has the chops to design and build an Exit 2A, it's NJTA.

;-)
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NJRoadfan

Wonder if they are just going to change Exit 38 to 38B and leave 38A as-is. Not very MUTCD, but they already have a similar setup at Exit 4. At least the new signs have cardinal directions, the old signs used just control cities. They look bare without the trailblazer though.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 24, 2016, 10:50:16 PM
Wonder if they are just going to change Exit 38 to 38B and leave 38A as-is. Not very MUTCD, but they already have a similar setup at Exit 4. At least the new signs have cardinal directions, the old signs used just control cities. They look bare without the trailblazer though.

That's what it appears to be, at least judging on what they've done so far.

Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2016, 09:47:02 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2016, 09:41:40 PM
(Personally, they should've just used "Atlantic City"). 

Personally, this Breezewood should be removed in favor of a Turnpike Exit 2A.  ;-)

Atlantic City could use the improved highway access from the south and west, and if anyone has the chops to design and build an Exit 2A, it's NJTA.

;-)

Yeah!

Access will be improved soon (within 5 years) once the 295 to 42 connections are built, although that won't help those that insist on taking the Turnpike to Exit 3 for Atlantic City.  But really, and more importantly, the general circulation of traffic for the general region would be greatly better if the NJ Turnpike and 42 connection (along with tying in 55) existed.  It would resolve a lot of issues, and will be much better at dispersing traffic between 295 & the Turnpike.  Widening the Turnpike, at least between Exits 4 & 3 (or Exit 4 down to Rt. 42, if such a connection was built), would assist as well.

But, that's another issue that's been beated down over the years, and even though we have a powerful state senator in the area (Sweeney), he doesn't seem to be all that interested in forcing this to get done.  Maybe a letter to him is in order! :-)

bzakharin

US 40 is a better way to the NJ 55 corridor (and even Atlantic City depending on traffic) from points south. If you're dreaming up new freeways, making US 40 a freeway to NJ 55 and then connecting it to the ACE would be faster anyway. Connecting the Turnpike to 76/42 won't accomplish much for Northbound traffic when 295 already has (or will have) the same connections. For Southbound traffic to Atlantic City, if you must use the Turnpike, take exit 4 and NJ 73. It will be as fast as 295 to 42 anyway.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: bzakharin on February 25, 2016, 01:52:01 PM
US 40 is a better way to the NJ 55 corridor (and even Atlantic City depending on traffic) from points south. If you're dreaming up new freeways, making US 40 a freeway to NJ 55 and then connecting it to the ACE would be faster anyway. Connecting the Turnpike to 76/42 won't accomplish much for Northbound traffic when 295 already has (or will have) the same connections. For Southbound traffic to Atlantic City, if you must use the Turnpike, take exit 4 and NJ 73. It will be as fast as 295 to 42 anyway.

While you're mostly correct (295 N to 42 S connections will occur in 2021...hopefully), there's an amazing number of people that do take the turnpike to Exit 3 for Atlantic City.  Never mind that the Turnpike actually has exits signed both north and southbound to highly suggest other routes (NB: US 40 is signed for Atlantic City; Southbound, a few exits are signed for Shore Points), many people do travel to Exit 3.

Rt. 73 from the Turnpike to the ACX can be quite congested at times.  Mileage wise there's some savings.  Time wise, it's just as fast or faster quite often to take 295 to 42 to the ACX, even though the mileage is much longer. 

bzakharin

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2016, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on February 25, 2016, 01:52:01 PM
US 40 is a better way to the NJ 55 corridor (and even Atlantic City depending on traffic) from points south. If you're dreaming up new freeways, making US 40 a freeway to NJ 55 and then connecting it to the ACE would be faster anyway. Connecting the Turnpike to 76/42 won't accomplish much for Northbound traffic when 295 already has (or will have) the same connections. For Southbound traffic to Atlantic City, if you must use the Turnpike, take exit 4 and NJ 73. It will be as fast as 295 to 42 anyway.

While you're mostly correct (295 N to 42 S connections will occur in 2021...hopefully), there's an amazing number of people that do take the turnpike to Exit 3 for Atlantic City.  Never mind that the Turnpike actually has exits signed both north and southbound to highly suggest other routes (NB: US 40 is signed for Atlantic City; Southbound, a few exits are signed for Shore Points), many people do travel to Exit 3.

Rt. 73 from the Turnpike to the ACX can be quite congested at times.  Mileage wise there's some savings.  Time wise, it's just as fast or faster quite often to take 295 to 42 to the ACX, even though the mileage is much longer. 
I make this trip daily (not from the Turnpike, I live in that area). I decide on which way to go based on whether there is heavy traffic reported on 295 and/or 42. If there is, I take 73 (traffic on 73 seems to be pretty constant, so no need to check). It takes at most 5 minutes more and sometimes less time to take 73 vs non-congested 295. Granted I do this during rush hour, but I've done it a few times during beach season and the same ratio seems to apply

roadman65

Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 24, 2016, 10:50:16 PM
Wonder if they are just going to change Exit 38 to 38B and leave 38A as-is. Not very MUTCD, but they already have a similar setup at Exit 4. At least the new signs have cardinal directions, the old signs used just control cities. They look bare without the trailblazer though.
Exit 143 is the same way.  Exit 143A (after 143) comes first and then Exit 143B where the B suffix is south of the A suffix.

However, the cardinal directions is now a great feature instead of the cities.   

Also I take that the three control points for Exit 40 (all three for US 30 EB) will be narrowed to one soon.  I would say that both Brigantine and AC will get the ax as Brigantine is not along US 30, and AC is already listed on a guide sign previously giving out the three exit numbers of the Casino City.  That leaves Absecon which is not only on US 30, but the first town one encounters along the route.
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: bzakharin on February 25, 2016, 03:31:00 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2016, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on February 25, 2016, 01:52:01 PM
US 40 is a better way to the NJ 55 corridor (and even Atlantic City depending on traffic) from points south. If you're dreaming up new freeways, making US 40 a freeway to NJ 55 and then connecting it to the ACE would be faster anyway. Connecting the Turnpike to 76/42 won't accomplish much for Northbound traffic when 295 already has (or will have) the same connections. For Southbound traffic to Atlantic City, if you must use the Turnpike, take exit 4 and NJ 73. It will be as fast as 295 to 42 anyway.

While you're mostly correct (295 N to 42 S connections will occur in 2021...hopefully), there's an amazing number of people that do take the turnpike to Exit 3 for Atlantic City.  Never mind that the Turnpike actually has exits signed both north and southbound to highly suggest other routes (NB: US 40 is signed for Atlantic City; Southbound, a few exits are signed for Shore Points), many people do travel to Exit 3.

Rt. 73 from the Turnpike to the ACX can be quite congested at times.  Mileage wise there's some savings.  Time wise, it's just as fast or faster quite often to take 295 to 42 to the ACX, even though the mileage is much longer. 
I make this trip daily (not from the Turnpike, I live in that area). I decide on which way to go based on whether there is heavy traffic reported on 295 and/or 42. If there is, I take 73 (traffic on 73 seems to be pretty constant, so no need to check). It takes at most 5 minutes more and sometimes less time to take 73 vs non-congested 295. Granted I do this during rush hour, but I've done it a few times during beach season and the same ratio seems to apply

They did a great job straightening out the 70/73 mess, but it can be a bitch from there down to the ol' Berlin Circle area. South of that I'm not in that area too often.

Back towards the Turnpike, they are looking at the 73/Church Rd intersection again, although it's going to be years before they can do anything significant with it.

bzakharin

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2016, 07:52:46 PM
They did a great job straightening out the 70/73 mess, but it can be a bitch from there down to the ol' Berlin Circle area. South of that I'm not in that area too often.
It's not so bad considering that on a good day I-295 is moving at 45 MPH on average between NJ 73 and NJ 42 (with stop and go traffic common), while NJ 73 is moving at 40 MPH on a typical day (plus traffic lights, of course) between NJ 70 and US 30 and full speed south of that.
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Back towards the Turnpike, they are looking at the 73/Church Rd intersection again, although it's going to be years before they can do anything significant with it.
73 South is pretty good south of Church (at least not worse than south of 70). That's where I get on, so not sure about the segment between the Turnpike and Church. Northbound, though, it's jammed from Lincoln Drive, so I get off at 70 instead. I'm not sure if doing anything at Church itself will alleviate that. Lately, though, Church Road itself has become a bottleneck for me going East, often starting just east of Kings Highwayall the way to Springdale. I don't really have a good alternative to get onto 73, though.



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