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Started by mgk920, September 12, 2012, 02:19:57 PM

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Rick Powell

Quote from: captkirk_4 on May 23, 2024, 08:47:41 AMThat whole stretch from Marion to Mount Vernon has been getting six laned for a while now. During the 2017 eclipse it was only from Marion up to the next exit north of the town. In 2023 coming back up 57 I saw they had only finished it up to the second exit two towns up from Marion during those six years although it seemed all the bridges along the stretch also had widening work going on. I don't know why they wouldn't have a second team working down from Marion sort of how like we built the transcontinental railroad or the channel tunnel hoping to meet up somewhere in between and drive the golden spike.

As ilpt4u sates above, all the remaining stretches between the 24 and 64 junctions are funded in the current 2024-2029 program, including going south from Marion, so it's only a matter of time.


SGwithADD

Quote from: captkirk_4 on May 23, 2024, 08:57:58 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 14, 2024, 01:17:40 PMI-57 should be 6 (or 8 where indicated) lanes as follows in my opinion:
I-24 Pulley's Mill to I-64 WEST Mt Vernon (the concurrency with I-64 is 6 lanes)
I-70 WEST Effingham to I-70 EAST Effingham (existing 6 lanes)
Monticello Rd Savoy to US 136 Rantoul
US 45/52 Kankakee to Bourbonnais Pkwy Bourbonnais
Stuenkel Rd/University Pkwy Richton Park to I-80
I-80 to I-294 (existing 6 lanes needs to be 8 lanes)
I-294 to IL 1 Halsted St (existing 6 lanes)
IL 1 Halsted St to I-94 (existing 8 lanes)

I don't think with the pathetic budget the nation puts towards it's infrastructure these days that we need 6 lanes for that extensive an area around Champaign. I drive part of that stretch every day and there is very little traffic between Curtis (232) and Monticello Road (229). The only real stretch that needs imminent 6 laning is near the I74 interchange with all the merging traffic. About a mile on each side of that interchange should in fact be six laned with overhead signs encouraging all the through movement into the left two lanes leaving the right one for traffic coming and going onto 74. Actually maybe two miles on the southern side should be 6 laned up until the I72 interchange. Problem though, there is an old railroad bridge with close in columns just south of the 74 interchange that might be too narrow to run a 6 lane highway under, at least without zig zagging inwards and having no shoulders.

I can see a case starting from Exit 232 (Curtis Rd). Even in the few years I've been here, truck traffic in that area is picking up, and there are often merging issues going northbound. Six-laning I-57 from 232 to Exit 238 (Olympian Drive) seems like it could help things out overall. It would also be nice to make the northbound Exit 238 a folded diamond, to give more distance between the new on-ramps from I-74. Alas, IDOT has no interest/money in doing any of this, and even ruled out spot I-57 upgrades as part of the interchange project.

captkirk_4

Quote from: Rick Powell on May 09, 2024, 12:26:41 PM
Quote from: captkirk_4 on May 09, 2024, 09:10:49 AMNo I-57 construction between Champaign and Kankakee this year? I drove through there three times since early April and had expected to see them beginning the seasonal repaving on at least one segment. The stretch between Paxton and Buckley is really torn up and full of potholes. Same with a stretch in the Onarga to Gilman area. I was expecting at least one of them to have those orange cones and seeing the crews and repaving machines out. Last year they did the Buckley to Onarga section so I expected the old, bad, weathered pavement on either end of the fixed area to be next. Guess it makes the trip faster but wondering if there are budget issues as those stretches are looking pretty bad.
IDOT will sometimes do a "Spring Road Repair" to react to winter road damage where a simple patch and overlay just might get some extra life out of the pavement until the next programmed rehabilitation project happens. Look at the June letting (coming out tomorrow) to see if any of your stretch of I-57 made it.

Just saw all the orange barrels laid out for about 10 miles around Onarga and Gilman this weekend so it looks like they are getting ready to do that segment after all. Just seems way later than usual. I remember I 74 repaved the Mansfield to Farmer City stretch a few years ago and it started in early April and went into the fall. Starting so late this year unless they are really quick they might still be working into November. I can also say it looks like they are done with that construction around Kankakee and also the five mile bridge on the tollway is finished. However my apple maps warned me not to go northbound on 294 and diverted me onto 355 due to 6 miles of stop and go traffic only in the northbound lanes between 55 and 88. Heading home the southbound was fine.

edwaleni

Quote from: adt1982 on May 21, 2024, 10:12:07 AM
Quote from: pianocello on May 20, 2024, 08:12:10 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on May 20, 2024, 07:30:58 PMSo why do they need to close half the highway?

I'm guessing it's a full-depth reconstruction, where they would strip the road to its core and rebuild it from scratch. It's possible to close one lane at a time, protect the work zone with a barrier wall, and keep the traffic from crossing over, but if there's a 1- to 2-foot dropoff on the other side of the wall there has to be enough space to protect errant vehicles from crossing into the work zone.

Plus workers can move more quickly if they don't have to constantly check for traffic barreling within 5 feet of them at 70 miles an hour.

Yes, it's a full-depth rebuild.  I believe this is one of the oldest stretches of 70 in Illinois.

Since I remember I-70 being built, if memory serves the oldest parts of I-70 (anyone, please correct me) were 3 parts.

The eastern portion from the Indiana State line to US-40/Mt Moriah Road.
The Effingham Bypass from Montrose to Altamont.
The western part from US-40 (Highland) to the I-55 junction

The part west of Altamont was opened in sections.  First to US-40 east of Vandalia.

Then the Vandalia bypass, and then there were constant back and forths as I-70 was built on top of US-40 from Vandalia to Mulberry Grove and they forced us back on US-40 there.

Then it took several years to get the Mulberry Grove, around Greenville part done. I remember stopping at IL-127 and the traffic on US-40 was very heavy (for a 2 lane).

The last west section was west of Greenville, where it was built on top of US-40 again, I remember being diverted into Pocahontas when that bypass was still in the works. Then it was more "back and forth" miles until Highland as they built half of it and then moved US-40 over on the new section until the other half was done.

The last part of I-70 finishing took seemingly forever, that was east of Montrose. My dad said IDOT took a long time because they weren't using any of the old US-40, it was all new ROW past Marshall.

Which is interesting because post WW2, IDOT had been upgrading several railroad bridges on US-40 for a future expressway. I think this is covered in another thread, IDOT left it all behind and chose a new ROW instead.

I still have memories of all of the lane shifting at night between Effingham and Highland.

adt1982

The 1953 new ROW bypass of the old National Road US 40 alignment of Marshall and then Martinsville to Casey definitely shows that it was built with an expressway in mind.  Where 40 goes under what was then the Pennsylvania Railroad east of Martinsville was built wide enough to accommodate a second set of lanes.

edwaleni

Quote from: adt1982 on June 01, 2024, 12:11:47 PMThe 1953 new ROW bypass of the old National Road US 40 alignment of Marshall and then Martinsville to Casey definitely shows that it was built with an expressway in mind.  Where 40 goes under what was then the Pennsylvania Railroad east of Martinsville was built wide enough to accommodate a second set of lanes.

Yep, it replaced what was also called "Cumberland Road" which is a name used for the National Road. There are still places where the original US-40 ROW (a bit broken up unfortunately) are still there or run alongside US-40. Much of it still called Cumberland Road.

I know a lot of people like to do their bucket list drives on US-66, But the original Cumberland-National Road is a great drive from Cumberland, Maryland to Vandalia, Illinois.


adt1982

Quote from: edwaleni on June 02, 2024, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: adt1982 on June 01, 2024, 12:11:47 PMThe 1953 new ROW bypass of the old National Road US 40 alignment of Marshall and then Martinsville to Casey definitely shows that it was built with an expressway in mind.  Where 40 goes under what was then the Pennsylvania Railroad east of Martinsville was built wide enough to accommodate a second set of lanes.

Yep, it replaced what was also called "Cumberland Road" which is a name used for the National Road. There are still places where the original US-40 ROW (a bit broken up unfortunately) are still there or run alongside US-40. Much of it still called Cumberland Road.

I know a lot of people like to do their bucket list drives on US-66, But the original Cumberland-National Road is a great drive from Cumberland, Maryland to Vandalia, Illinois.



I grew up in Marshall, so I'm quite familiar with US 40 and the Cumberland Road.  On many trips back home I've used40 instead of 70 (avoids the construction mess near Effingham).

edwaleni

Quote from: adt1982 on June 02, 2024, 09:49:31 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 02, 2024, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: adt1982 on June 01, 2024, 12:11:47 PMThe 1953 new ROW bypass of the old National Road US 40 alignment of Marshall and then Martinsville to Casey definitely shows that it was built with an expressway in mind.  Where 40 goes under what was then the Pennsylvania Railroad east of Martinsville was built wide enough to accommodate a second set of lanes.

Yep, it replaced what was also called "Cumberland Road" which is a name used for the National Road. There are still places where the original US-40 ROW (a bit broken up unfortunately) are still there or run alongside US-40. Much of it still called Cumberland Road.

I know a lot of people like to do their bucket list drives on US-66, But the original Cumberland-National Road is a great drive from Cumberland, Maryland to Vandalia, Illinois.



I grew up in Marshall, so I'm quite familiar with US 40 and the Cumberland Road.  On many trips back home I've used40 instead of 70 (avoids the construction mess near Effingham).

Pre-Amtrak, I took an Illinois Central passenger train out of Effingham and saw the construction of both I-70 and I-57 around Sigel and Neoga from my window. Of no shock to anyone, the cars on nearby US-45 were going faster than we were.

No air conditioning, just open windows. The seats had holes with straw sticking out. The snack bar consisted of a bunch of candy bars on ice in a milk crate. Those were the days.

US20IL64

IL folks remember parts of US 66 between the sections of completed I-55? Stop lights, after cruising at 70 mph, and still some RR crossings!   :spin:

Rick Powell

Quote from: US20IL64 on June 06, 2024, 12:04:19 AMIL folks remember parts of US 66 between the sections of completed I-55? Stop lights, after cruising at 70 mph, and still some RR crossings!   :spin:

That light at IL 47 in Dwight especially! First one south of Chicago, it was a bloody corner until I-55 was built. My dad re-built a RR crossing on US 66 north of US 24 in Chenoa and a truck managed to crash through the barricade and fall into the hole where the track was being dug out, fortunately not during work hours.

edwaleni

Quote from: US20IL64 on June 06, 2024, 12:04:19 AMIL folks remember parts of US 66 between the sections of completed I-55? Stop lights, after cruising at 70 mph, and still some RR crossings!   :spin:

We used to play a guessing game on US-66/I-55 road trips on where 66 started/ended and 55 started ended during all of the construction bypasses.

On the last section of 66 left (Gardner) my dad finally shared his secret.  The roadside reflectors for I-55 segments were different than the US-66 ones. I was always looking for pavement changes.

hobsini2

Quote from: edwaleni on June 06, 2024, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: US20IL64 on June 06, 2024, 12:04:19 AMIL folks remember parts of US 66 between the sections of completed I-55? Stop lights, after cruising at 70 mph, and still some RR crossings!   :spin:

We used to play a guessing game on US-66/I-55 road trips on where 66 started/ended and 55 started ended during all of the construction bypasses.

On the last section of 66 left (Gardner) my dad finally shared his secret.  The roadside reflectors for I-55 segments were different than the US-66 ones. I was always looking for pavement changes.
Somewhere in my collection of paper maps (I hope) I have/had a Chicago Tribune issued map of Chicagoland (circa 1981) that on the back had an approximate 150 mile radius from Downtown mapped out which went out to Peoria, Madison and I think Ft Wayne. Anyway, I remember seeing the I-55 Under Construction markings south of Joliet.
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Revive 755

So local agencies in Illinois are now using speed cameras for their work zones?  Case in point is the work zone on Plank Road west of Burlington in Kane County.  There's a message board with "Speed Limit Photo Enforced/Tickets Will Be Issued" near the west end of the work zone, then maybe midway through there's a dark box to the south side of the roadway that appeared to have a Kane County Sheriff logo on it that certainly looked like a possible speed camera.

ran4sh

Quote from: vdeane on March 28, 2024, 12:58:42 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on March 28, 2024, 10:26:02 AMSticker transponders *are* transponders. And they should be forced on all of E-ZPass (eventually), because they work and they're better.
Can't move a sticker between vehicles without an ugly scotch tape hack that is noted to not be without risk.  Funny way of being "better", especially since rental car companies gouge anyone who dares use a toll road without bringing along their own transponder or using a cash booth.

And what if you have multiple cars but don't want to get a separate transponder for each?  May parents have two cars between them, but never use the Thruway at the same time, so they only have one E-ZPass.  We're not sure how trailers are supposed to work, either.  Back in the day, you needed a separate transponder for towing, but I can't find much on the subject these days.  Thankfully, Dad prefers taking NY 104 over the Thruway, so the question has never come up.

What's the point of avoiding getting separate transponders for different cars? Sticker transponders are *free* (or at least they're supposed to be)
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This is purely conjecture on my part, but I think that if you need to take multiple vehicles on the tollways, you can just get multiple stickers. They're just stickers and they're free to obtain. I'd hope the tollway authorities would have a way to tie multiple stickers/transponders to the same account.

Also, there's a separate thread called "Illinois Tollway Notes" that might be more suited to Illinois tollway discussions.  It's not a big deal, since a lot of people don't know that the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority is a completely different entity, but this thread makes more sense for IDOT-maintained roadways.
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Quote from: ran4sh on July 01, 2024, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: vdeane on March 28, 2024, 12:58:42 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on March 28, 2024, 10:26:02 AMSticker transponders *are* transponders. And they should be forced on all of E-ZPass (eventually), because they work and they're better.
Can't move a sticker between vehicles without an ugly scotch tape hack that is noted to not be without risk.  Funny way of being "better", especially since rental car companies gouge anyone who dares use a toll road without bringing along their own transponder or using a cash booth.

And what if you have multiple cars but don't want to get a separate transponder for each?  May parents have two cars between them, but never use the Thruway at the same time, so they only have one E-ZPass.  We're not sure how trailers are supposed to work, either.  Back in the day, you needed a separate transponder for towing, but I can't find much on the subject these days.  Thankfully, Dad prefers taking NY 104 over the Thruway, so the question has never come up.

What's the point of avoiding getting separate transponders for different cars? Sticker transponders are *free* (or at least they're supposed to be)
It was mainly a question of "why should we get two transponders if we'll never both need to use the Thruway at the same time?".  They also didn't even have E-ZPass until the Thruway switched to AET in 2020.  They didn't really see the point of E-ZPass for people who aren't commuters, and quite frankly still don't - the only reason they joined was to avoid the bill by mail fees.
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captkirk_4

Quote from: Revive 755 on June 30, 2024, 10:23:29 PMSo local agencies in Illinois are now using speed cameras for their work zones?  Case in point is the work zone on Plank Road west of Burlington in Kane County.  There's a message board with "Speed Limit Photo Enforced/Tickets Will Be Issued" near the west end of the work zone, then maybe midway through there's a dark box to the south side of the roadway that appeared to have a Kane County Sheriff logo on it that certainly looked like a possible speed camera.

The one I've seen is a white van with large windows wrapping around all sides with a giant LED sign they can raise and lower pointing at the highway warning you that it is a speed camera. They hauled it out in the month after some knucklehead ignored the speed zone around the 57-74 interchange rebuild and crashed into the back of slower traffic in late 2022. I just saw another crash on Friday between Southbound 57 traffic and someone coming of the very slow 74 merge so I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring it back this month. They really bring the ramp around a tight turn and it merges at a very slow speed now with the temporary configuration and people can't be barreling through at 70 like I've seen a bunch of tricked out, chromed up semis recently blaring their horns and brights when I had to go into the left lane to avoid a column of some 25 mph traffic merging onto 57. I was going 5 over the construction speed limit already and this Bluto type driving the truck was flying up on me close to 70. These Bluto types then use engine braking to audibly signal their displeasure that they can't barrel through at 70 despite the 45mph signs everywhere. This doesn't even mention all the passenger cars going through at high speed. I suspect they will be back at a minimum with troopers and radar guns for the next couple weeks.

Brandon

Quote from: Revive 755 on June 30, 2024, 10:23:29 PMSo local agencies in Illinois are now using speed cameras for their work zones?  Case in point is the work zone on Plank Road west of Burlington in Kane County.  There's a message board with "Speed Limit Photo Enforced/Tickets Will Be Issued" near the west end of the work zone, then maybe midway through there's a dark box to the south side of the roadway that appeared to have a Kane County Sheriff logo on it that certainly looked like a possible speed camera.

They can't unless they're contracting with the ISP and using the ISP camera van.  Those boxes are not speed cameras.
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hobsini2

Quote from: captkirk_4 on July 02, 2024, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on June 30, 2024, 10:23:29 PMSo local agencies in Illinois are now using speed cameras for their work zones?  Case in point is the work zone on Plank Road west of Burlington in Kane County.  There's a message board with "Speed Limit Photo Enforced/Tickets Will Be Issued" near the west end of the work zone, then maybe midway through there's a dark box to the south side of the roadway that appeared to have a Kane County Sheriff logo on it that certainly looked like a possible speed camera.

The one I've seen is a white van with large windows wrapping around all sides with a giant LED sign they can raise and lower pointing at the highway warning you that it is a speed camera. They hauled it out in the month after some knucklehead ignored the speed zone around the 57-74 interchange rebuild and crashed into the back of slower traffic in late 2022. I just saw another crash on Friday between Southbound 57 traffic and someone coming of the very slow 74 merge so I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring it back this month. They really bring the ramp around a tight turn and it merges at a very slow speed now with the temporary configuration and people can't be barreling through at 70 like I've seen a bunch of tricked out, chromed up semis recently blaring their horns and brights when I had to go into the left lane to avoid a column of some 25 mph traffic merging onto 57. I was going 5 over the construction speed limit already and this Bluto type driving the truck was flying up on me close to 70. These Bluto types then use engine braking to audibly signal their displeasure that they can't barrel through at 70 despite the 45mph signs everywhere. This doesn't even mention all the passenger cars going through at high speed. I suspect they will be back at a minimum with troopers and radar guns for the next couple weeks.
Those (the "Bluto" trucks) are the kind of asswipes I wish would have a piano dropped on their head when they exit their vehicle. If you can't drive reasonably, stay off the road.
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captkirk_4

Quote from: hobsini2 on July 05, 2024, 01:02:20 PM
Quote from: captkirk_4 on July 02, 2024, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on June 30, 2024, 10:23:29 PMSo local agencies in Illinois are now using speed cameras for their work zones?  Case in point is the work zone on Plank Road west of Burlington in Kane County.  There's a message board with "Speed Limit Photo Enforced/Tickets Will Be Issued" near the west end of the work zone, then maybe midway through there's a dark box to the south side of the roadway that appeared to have a Kane County Sheriff logo on it that certainly looked like a possible speed camera.

The one I've seen is a white van with large windows wrapping around all sides with a giant LED sign they can raise and lower pointing at the highway warning you that it is a speed camera. They hauled it out in the month after some knucklehead ignored the speed zone around the 57-74 interchange rebuild and crashed into the back of slower traffic in late 2022. I just saw another crash on Friday between Southbound 57 traffic and someone coming of the very slow 74 merge so I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring it back this month. They really bring the ramp around a tight turn and it merges at a very slow speed now with the temporary configuration and people can't be barreling through at 70 like I've seen a bunch of tricked out, chromed up semis recently blaring their horns and brights when I had to go into the left lane to avoid a column of some 25 mph traffic merging onto 57. I was going 5 over the construction speed limit already and this Bluto type driving the truck was flying up on me close to 70. These Bluto types then use engine braking to audibly signal their displeasure that they can't barrel through at 70 despite the 45mph signs everywhere. This doesn't even mention all the passenger cars going through at high speed. I suspect they will be back at a minimum with troopers and radar guns for the next couple weeks.
Those (the "Bluto" trucks) are the kind of asswipes I wish would have a piano dropped on their head when they exit their vehicle. If you can't drive reasonably, stay off the road.

The speed camera van in fact was there on Friday morning watching SB I 57 parked about 500 feet north of the I 74 overpass. Anyone passing through Champaign county on the interstates will need to be careful for the next month or two.



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