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Places Where Locals Refer to US/State Highways over Interstates.

Started by Some one, November 24, 2019, 09:22:16 PM

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Quote from: hbelkins on December 18, 2019, 01:00:55 PM
Does anyone still call the PA Turnpike NE Extension "9" instead of "476?"
I never called it that, even when I lived there in the 1970s.

Nor do I recall anyone else calling it Route 9. 
Just the "Northeast Extension."
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Quote from: froggie on December 18, 2019, 11:02:21 AM
Plenty of us "old timers" who still call 62 "the Crosstown", too.

Heh...  I'm not even originally from here, and *I* call it "The Crosstown" at times.

Though I do get odd stares at times when I talk about "Route" 100, 7, 62, etc...   :-D

Was funny though...about a month after I moved here, in July '98, I asked for direction to Best Brains studios in Eden Prairie, and I was told to take "The Crosstown" to 169, and I had no idea what they were talking about back then.   :-D

Revive 755

Quote from: ilpt4u on November 26, 2019, 08:32:53 AM
Closest would be the 355/290/53 N-S Tollway/Freeway Corridor from New Lenox to Buffalo Grove being referred to as the 355/Rt 53 Combo or just 355 sometimes

IL 53 over I-290 does qualify.  What's worse is when the section of I-290 between Biesterfield Road (where IL 53 exits/enters I-290) and I-355 is referred to as just Route 53.  This can be confusing when someone refers to a spot location on Route 53 between Biesterfield and the I-290/I-355 interchange.

Some of the actual signing also omits I-290 in favor of IL 53, or at least seems to favor IL 53.

ilpt4u

Quote from: Revive 755 on December 20, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 26, 2019, 08:32:53 AM
Closest would be the 355/290/53 N-S Tollway/Freeway Corridor from New Lenox to Buffalo Grove being referred to as the 355/Rt 53 Combo or just 355 sometimes

IL 53 over I-290 does qualify.  What's worse is when the section of I-290 between Biesterfield Road (where IL 53 exits/enters I-290) and I-355 is referred to as just Route 53.  This can be confusing when someone refers to a spot location on Route 53 between Biesterfield and the I-290/I-355 interchange.

Some of the actual signing also omits I-290 in favor of IL 53, or at least seems to favor IL 53.
Beating a dead horse, but the whole corridor should be I-355, and I-290 should be Decommissioned. I doubt if IDOT ever even attempts to correct/improve the numbering/designations

That signage makes sense, kinda, due to IL 53 being the North/South route, and its a North/South Freeway. Also 290 ending @ I-90, and the Freeway continues as IL 53 exclusively

bing101

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I would say US 50 is probably even more in common use these days than I-80 Business is.


Isn't some of that due to signing changes in the last 2-3 years where Business 80 now is only signed from US 50/Route 99 at the Oak Park Interchange to the 80/Business 80 split near Watt Avenue?  Some of it is also due to the US 50 carpool lane projects that emphasized the whole corridor (the El Dorado Freeway + WX Freeway + western segment of what was Business 80) as one number.


Yes, I-80 Business was completely de-emphasized on US 50 aside from some reassurance shields on surface ramps.  Even CA 51 (at least in the roadgeek world) is starting to pick up traction over I-80 Business designations.  Granted, CA 51 isn't signed in field at all by legislative requirement.


For all intents & purpose Biz 80 has evolved into more of a spur than a part of a functional loop; and even the city of Sacramento, which was the original driving force behind the Biz 80 designation to begin with, has apparently lost interest in the concept.   As a regional E-W corridor, labeling the whole West Sac/W-X/El Dorado freeway corridor as a single entity as US 50 is simply recognizing the reality that even when the loop was part of I-80 before 1982, most I-80 through traffic not having particular business in Sacramento veered off via (then) I-880 around the bypass.   Currently the 50 corridor rivals 80 in terms of both utility and, unfortunately, congestion; it's a much more useful designation for both local & through traffic.  The whole Biz 80 situation is well past its sell-by date; Caltrans should consider initiating a legislative remedy that allows CA 51 to be signed over its northeast segment.

Isn't CA-51 supposed to be a rumored 3d State route for the rumored I-7 or I-9 though as in CA-x07 and CA-x09 . I know for years there have been a rumored I-7 that is supposed to be with CA-99 from Sacramento's US-50 @ CA-51 interchange to Ridge Route in Kern County with I-5 though.

The CA 51 portion of I-80 Business isn't up to Interstate standards and the attempts to improve it when it was part of I-80 failed.  Even if a hypothetical I-7/I-9 were to happen I doubt there would be much interest in improving CA 51.


Even if CA-99 were to be I-7 or I-9 in the next few years. At least in the first 5 years with the new interstate designation older residents would refer of I-7 or I-9 as CA-99 due to its historical importance.

lstone19

Quote from: Revive 755 on December 20, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
IL 53 over I-290 does qualify.  What's worse is when the section of I-290 between Biesterfield Road (where IL 53 exits/enters I-290) and I-355 is referred to as just Route 53.  This can be confusing when someone refers to a spot location on Route 53 between Biesterfield and the I-290/I-355 interchange.

We moved to the area after IL 53 was routed back to Rohlwing Road between Biesterfield Rd. and Army Trail Rd. so it took me a while to understand why people (including traffic reporters) referred to I-290/I-355 in that area as 53 even though it had been years since it had been. I do remember one day hearing a traffic reporter refer to an accident on Thorndale Ave. (pre conversion to today's IL 390) as being between 53 and Rohlwing Rd. and since 53 and Rohlwing Rd. were the same thing jokingly said "must be in the middle in the intersection".

JMoses24

Quote from: dvferyance on December 17, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.

The segments west of 65 and north of 71 are still signed as 841 in the field (confirmed this on Tuesday.)

hbelkins

Quote from: JMoses24 on December 28, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on December 17, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.

The segments west of 65 and north of 71 are still signed as 841 in the field (confirmed this on Tuesday.)

And the concurrency with I-265 is also signed as 841. I just wonder if they don't do that to avoid confusion with the north side of the river.


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Quote from: thspfc on December 08, 2019, 01:55:10 PM
I-39 up the middle of the state is almost always called "51". Not even "highway 51", just simply 51.
They're trying hard to change the behavior.  The signs on 90/94 leading up to it had (TO) 51 removed.  Recently a new roundabout was installed in point at the north end of Business 51 with only 39 referenced.  Point's section had the blue milepost signs installed with 39 as the owner of the mileposts - a blatant lie as the miles are for 51 (correctly marked in Wausau metro even on the 39 portion.)  The DOT has a habit of marking a road for its lowest route number when concurrencies exist.
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US71

Searcy, Arkansas is the opposite. The US 67 freeway is often referred at as "the interstate"
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JMoses24

Quote from: hbelkins on December 28, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: JMoses24 on December 28, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on December 17, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.

The segments west of 65 and north of 71 are still signed as 841 in the field (confirmed this on Tuesday.)

And the concurrency with I-265 is also signed as 841. I just wonder if they don't do that to avoid confusion with the north side of the river.

Surely, AASHTO/FHWA has approved signing 265 west of 71. The bridge has been finished for years.

hbelkins

Quote from: JMoses24 on December 29, 2019, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 28, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: JMoses24 on December 28, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on December 17, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.

The segments west of 65 and north of 71 are still signed as 841 in the field (confirmed this on Tuesday.)

And the concurrency with I-265 is also signed as 841. I just wonder if they don't do that to avoid confusion with the north side of the river.

Surely, AASHTO/FHWA has approved signing 265 west of 71. The bridge has been finished for years.

It was approved a few months ago. The link was posted somewhere.

An email to kytc.district5info@ky.gov might get someone an answer as to when the signs will be posted in Kentucky.


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Quote from: MikieTimT on December 17, 2019, 10:21:06 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on November 25, 2019, 06:20:05 PM
I'm sure there's plenty of people in this part of the state who still refer to I-49 as US-71, partly because the only parts 71 is not congruent to 49 in MO is where 49 does (not yet) exist.

Same goes further south in Arkansas.  Google's navigation even still refers to I-49 as US-71 when turning north off the Wedington Rd. exit.  It's been I-49 everywhere here other than Bella Vista for the last 2 years now, so maybe they'll eventually change it.  And it was I-540 for a number of years prior to that.

Occasionally, people refer to I-49 in Kansas City and Grandview as US 71 (or "71 Highway"), but when I hear it mentioned on news reports, it's referred to as I-49.  I think I recall hearing the non-Interstate portion of US 71, between I-435 and I-670, referred to as I-49 by mistake.
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Quote from: hbelkins on December 30, 2019, 09:14:56 PM
Quote from: JMoses24 on December 29, 2019, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 28, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: JMoses24 on December 28, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on December 17, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.

The segments west of 65 and north of 71 are still signed as 841 in the field (confirmed this on Tuesday.)

And the concurrency with I-265 is also signed as 841. I just wonder if they don't do that to avoid confusion with the north side of the river.

Surely, AASHTO/FHWA has approved signing 265 west of 71. The bridge has been finished for years.

It was approved a few months ago. The link was posted somewhere.

An email to kytc.district5info@ky.gov might get someone an answer as to when the signs will be posted in Kentucky.
The I-265 Designation and Shield between I-65 in Indiana, across the Ohio and under a tunnel, to I-71 in Kentucky was approved at the Spring 2019 AASHTO Meeting

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25118.0

ilpt4u

Quote from: US71 on December 29, 2019, 09:37:06 AM
Searcy, Arkansas is the opposite. The US 67 freeway is often referred at as "the interstate"
Was it not officially designated as part of I-57 already? Some wording in some bill pushed by some Arkansas politician's work?

Probably is not going to be Signed as I-57 until at least the Walnut Ridge-Poplar Bluff Freeway segment is built...possibly not until that + the Poplar Bluff-Sikeston segment is Fully Access Controlled/Interstate Standard

US71

Quote from: ilpt4u on December 30, 2019, 10:13:07 PM
Quote from: US71 on December 29, 2019, 09:37:06 AM
Searcy, Arkansas is the opposite. The US 67 freeway is often referred at as "the interstate"
Was it not officially designated as part of I-57 already? Some wording in some bill pushed by some Arkansas politician's work?

Probably is not going to be Signed as I-57 until at least the Walnut Ridge-Poplar Bluff Freeway segment is built...possibly not until that + the Poplar Bluff-Sikeston segment is Fully Access Controlled/Interstate Standard

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Quote from: bing101 on December 17, 2019, 07:25:33 PM
Quote from: webny99 on November 26, 2019, 08:05:35 PM
Rochester is unique in that we have I-390/NY 390 and I-590/NY 590. However, it's rare to specify which one you're talking about, so tough to say if that qualifies for this thread.

Los Angeles area the same thing is true such as CA-110/I-110 and I-210/CA-210. Note there is a CA-710 at the CA-134 @ I-210 interchange but locals refer to that as the I-710 gap when they are talking about CA-710.

Literally no.  If anyone even refers to the northern 710 spur (because even people in Pasadena aren't particularly aware of its route number other than because of the fight over the tunnel) they call it the 710 gap or the uncompleted portion of the 710.  Nobody's distinguishing between California versus Interstate.  The 110 is also simply the 110 Freeway.  Not I-110. Not Interstate 110. Not California 110. Not State Route 110.

roadman65

The latest one is in Orlando on I-4.  As a result of new signage from the I-4 Ultimate, both US 17 & 92 are omitted from the US 17 & 92 and SR 50 overlap exits.   Plus I do not even think any folks know that US 17 & 92 are even overlapped with SR 50 on Colonial Drive as the same two routes overlap US 441 for several miles and most people  in Orlando if not calling the road OBT are calling it Highway 441 or four forty-one.  So I would think its either Colonial or Highway 50 or just plain ole fifty!

Yet, in Sanford where US 17 & 92 overlap SR 46 along French Avenue the state road is omitted and even signed as "TO."  However, that new realignment taking US 17 & 92 off the Lake Monroe Waterfront moving the two US Routes onto another part of SR 46 (and Seminole County Road 15) I will guess that both state and county number designations will still be called and many will think old US 17 & 92 are still US 17 & 92 there.
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bing101

Quote from: Occidental Tourist on December 31, 2019, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: bing101 on December 17, 2019, 07:25:33 PM
Quote from: webny99 on November 26, 2019, 08:05:35 PM
Rochester is unique in that we have I-390/NY 390 and I-590/NY 590. However, it's rare to specify which one you're talking about, so tough to say if that qualifies for this thread.

Los Angeles area the same thing is true such as CA-110/I-110 and I-210/CA-210. Note there is a CA-710 at the CA-134 @ I-210 interchange but locals refer to that as the I-710 gap when they are talking about CA-710.

Literally no.  If anyone even refers to the northern 710 spur (because even people in Pasadena aren't particularly aware of its route number other than because of the fight over the tunnel) they call it the 710 gap or the uncompleted portion of the 710.  Nobody's distinguishing between California versus Interstate.  The 110 is also simply the 110 Freeway.  Not I-110. Not Interstate 110. Not California 110. Not State Route 110.


You're right on that one. Also its mainly in Sacramento where  naming route numbers to make distinctions on route numbers between California and Interstate due to the history over Business 80 and I-80.  Yes SoCal is mainly "The ___" Freeway.

Buck87

I hear a decent amount of people refer to the I-90/OH 2 concurrency from Elyria to Rocky River as Route 2 over I-90

However, I think I've only ever heard that from people who live west of the concurrency and use OH 2 to get to the Cleveland metro, so I'm not sure what the actual locals to that stretch primarily call it.

frankenroad

Quote from: SectorZ on December 17, 2019, 01:54:30 PM

I feel bad for people new to the area wondering what '128' is between Canton and Braintree. That really needs to stop and it's enabled by people who can't accept change.

Which, from my experience living there for 4 years, describes most people from eastern Mass.
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