Roads that are impossible to clinch for whatever reason

[TheGrassGuy]

There are two roads in NJ that are impossible to clinch if you're a civilian, due to them running in restricted military areas: NJ-68 and CR-545. They both run through McGuire Air Force Base, which is closed to the general public. The southern terminus of the former is located in the base, while the latter just passes through, creating two separate segments.

Are there any other highways like that?

[Max Rockatansky]

What if you were a civilian contractor or knew someone who could escort you into a base?  It's not quite as impossible as one might think for a civilian regarding most highways around military bases. 

CA 173 and CA 39 "supposedly"  are impossible since both have closed segments which have signage prohibiting pedestrians. I know in the case of CA 39 it is hiked frequently and I would imagine CA 173 is as well. 

[US 89]

Because Utah numbers all roads it maintains, there are a handful of routes that have segments closed to the public:

-287 - state prison
-293 - state capitol grounds
-298 - National Guard armory
-299 - driver's test course
-317 - UDOT Headquarters parking lots

There is one route which is not publicly drivable at all, and that is SR 320: it consists of the Emergency Vehicle Operations Range at Camp Williams.

[TheGrassGuy]

Because Utah numbers all roads it maintains, there are a handful of routes that have segments closed to the public:

-287 - state prison
-293 - state capitol grounds
-298 - National Guard armory
-299 - driver's test course
-317 - UDOT Headquarters parking lots

There is one route which is not publicly drivable at all, and that is SR 320: it consists of the Emergency Vehicle Operations Range at Camp Williams.

I remember Wikipedia did an April Fool's joke on that: "Did you know that people who have driven UT-299 end to end multiple times are really bad drivers?"

[kphoger]

MODS:  Suggest thread merge.
Plenty of threads about this already.

What highway would be the biggest pain in the ass to clinch?

Routes that are difficult to clinch

States which require special access to clinch all roads

[dlsterner]

This is why I allow myself a "sight clinch" for extenuating cases like this.  If for some reason it is difficult/impossible to travel a segment, if I can get somewhere where I can at least see the end of a segment, I will allow myself the clinch.

To me, that's not really different than pulling into a rest area and counting the small piece of interstate highway you just bypassed.  Or getting off at a "simple diamond" interchange.

Besides military bases (already mentioned), international borders can also fall into this category.

I haven't had the need to use a sight clinch yet.

[J3ebrules]

What if you were a civilian contractor or knew someone who could escort you into a base?  It's not quite as impossible as one might think for a civilian regarding most highways around military bases. 

CA 173 and CA 39 "supposedly"  are impossible since both have closed segments which have signage prohibiting pedestrians. I know in the case of CA 39 it is hiked frequently and I would imagine CA 173 is as well.

So, funny you mention that, as when I was living in Bordentown, NJ and was new to Burlington County, I ended up getting lost on NJ 68 and wound up at the base. Fortunately, they were able to get me a nice soldier who was heading in that general direction anyway to hop in my car as an escort. They were super nice about it, but clear that if nobody could take me, I'd have to find my way around the base. Apple Maps had JUST come out on all our iphones, so GPS at the time was.... rough.

[Max Rockatansky]

What if you were a civilian contractor or knew someone who could escort you into a base?  It's not quite as impossible as one might think for a civilian regarding most highways around military bases. 

CA 173 and CA 39 "supposedly"  are impossible since both have closed segments which have signage prohibiting pedestrians. I know in the case of CA 39 it is hiked frequently and I would imagine CA 173 is as well.

So, funny you mention that, as when I was living in Bordentown, NJ and was new to Burlington County, I ended up getting lost on NJ 68 and wound up at the base. Fortunately, they were able to get me a nice soldier who was heading in that general direction anyway to hop in my car as an escort. They were super nice about it, but clear that if nobody could take me, I'd have to find my way around the base. Apple Maps had JUST come out on all our iphones, so GPS at the time was.... rough.

Map services on military bases essentially are useless even now.  The best information they have is just a general layout of a installation.  Really you are at the mercy of the signage which can  vary wildly from installation to installation.  There is virtually no adherence to MUTCD standards which can make it quite the adventure for a "road geek."    I always thought it would make for an interesting topic in a thread. 

[DJ Particle]

The original routing of MN-100.  There's a lift bridge that partly no longer exists that used to be south of the Wakota.  Otherwise, it's pretty much current MN-100, CSAH-96, MN-120 (and the rest of Century Ave), some side streets near the old lift bridge, MN-62 (east of Hiawatha), MN-5, and I-494.

[cbeach40]

Ontario Highways 7298, 7305, 7306, 7308, and 7314 haven't been built yet. Thirty other 7000-series highways are actually airport runways.

[webny99]

MODS:  Suggest thread merge.

You could also just suggest it yourself.

[MNHighwayMan]

MODS: I Suggest thread merge.

You could also just suggest it yourself.

I think he did, he just left out the pronoun. See my quote edit.

[kphoger]

I *suspect* webny99 knew that but was being snarky.
As I've said before, it's really hard to tell with him.

[dgolub]

This may be stretching it a little bit, but Suffolk County on Long Island has what they call county system routes, which are roads that were legally designated as county routes but never actually taken over by the county.  Some of them are impossible to clinch because they either follow unbuilt segments and/or have ambiguous definitions where it's unclear where they're supposed to go.

[Max Rockatansky]

This may be stretching it a little bit, but Suffolk County on Long Island has what they call county system routes, which are roads that were legally designated as county routes but never actually taken over by the county.  Some of them are impossible to clinch because they either follow unbuilt segments and/or have ambiguous definitions where it's unclear where they're supposed to go.

Then technically they really don't exist except on paper.  We kind of have the same thing in California with highways that were defined by Legislative process by don't have an adopted Route.  Some highways like CA 190 do have an adopted alignment over the Sierras.  In the case of CA 190 it is impossible by vehicle but one could certainly hike it like the survey crews did. 

[webny99]

I *suspect* webny99 knew that but was being snarky.
As I've said before, it's really hard to tell with him.

Indeed, I was being snarky, and I think MNHighwayMan probably was too.

[RobbieL2415]

It was impossible in the late 2000s to clinch US 9 because the Beasley's Point Bridge in NJ was out.  It has since been aligned over the GSP.

[Max Rockatansky]

It was impossible in the late 2000s to clinch US 9 because the Beasley's Point Bridge in NJ was out.  It has since been aligned over the GSP.

In theory couldn't someone swim under the bridge and technically say they completed the right of way?   It never seemed impossible every time I was in the area granted it would be a long swim. 

[Rothman]

It was impossible in the late 2000s to clinch US 9 because the Beasley's Point Bridge in NJ was out.  It has since been aligned over the GSP.

In theory couldn't someone swim under the bridge and technically say they completed the right of way?   It never seemed impossible every time I was in the area granted it would be a long swim.

No.

[ET21]

I haven't seen any updates but for a long time, IN-912 (Cline Ave) had much of its bridges taken out to be rebuilt or realigned in the industrial section between I-90 and the Ameristar Casino exit. Looks like via satellite the bridges are still out but I'm not sure how old the image is
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.645833,-87.4911229,7237m/data=!3m1!1e3

[roadman65]

Though not impossible to clinch, but from NJ to due the SB- I-95 Express lanes from the GWB are only accessible from NY, it would be to do it locally.  Unless NJDOT or PANYNJ added access to it from the local roads in Fort Lee since I traveled it last or I missed noticing a ramp all the years I lived there in North Central Jersey as my only trips on I-95 were straight through from NY to NJ or the other way out of the state.

[NWI_Irish96]

I haven't seen any updates but for a long time, IN-912 (Cline Ave) had much of its bridges taken out to be rebuilt or realigned in the industrial section between I-90 and the Ameristar Casino exit. Looks like via satellite the bridges are still out but I'm not sure how old the image is
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.645833,-87.4911229,7237m/data=!3m1!1e3

IN 912 is in a very odd state right now.  The bridge is being rebuilt by a private company and is going to reopen sometime this year as a toll bridge.

WB 912 has a signed, temporary routing that exits where the freeway ends at the casinos/steel mills, follows Michigan Ave, Dickey Rd and Riley Rd to the western segment of the freeway, where it proceeds on to the Toll Road.

The EB side of the western segment of the freeway is closed, so until the bridge is finished, EB 912 only covers the eastern segment of freeway.  In essence the WB route is longer than the EB route.

I still haven't seen anything regarding what happens when the new bridge opens, as INDOT does not sign routes on roads that it does not own and maintain, so we may end up with two separate segments of 912.

[TheGrassGuy]

I haven't seen any updates but for a long time, IN-912 (Cline Ave) had much of its bridges taken out to be rebuilt or realigned in the industrial section between I-90 and the Ameristar Casino exit. Looks like via satellite the bridges are still out but I'm not sure how old the image is
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.645833,-87.4911229,7237m/data=!3m1!1e3

IN 912 is in a very odd state right now.  The bridge is being rebuilt by a private company and is going to reopen sometime this year as a toll bridge.

WB 912 has a signed, temporary routing that exits where the freeway ends at the casinos/steel mills, follows Michigan Ave, Dickey Rd and Riley Rd to the western segment of the freeway, where it proceeds on to the Toll Road.

The EB side of the western segment of the freeway is closed, so until the bridge is finished, EB 912 only covers the eastern segment of freeway.  In essence the WB route is longer than the EB route.

I still haven't seen anything regarding what happens when the new bridge opens, as INDOT does not sign routes on roads that it does not own and maintain, so we may end up with two separate segments of 912.

According to Google Maps, the Riley Rd interchange isn't open yet.