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mgk920:

--- Quote from: peterj920 on March 16, 2023, 12:33:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: thspfc on March 15, 2023, 11:11:24 PM ---As is, 39/90/94 isnít really for local traffic. Too far out, and basically only interchanges with other limited-access roads. As a result, that local traffic is pushed onto Stoughton Rd.

Iím sure if WISDOT could redo things from scratch, they would build 39/90/94 closer to Stoughton Rdís current alignment than the Interstatesí current alignment. That would eliminate the need for 1) a limited-access Stoughton Rd, and 2) the WI-30 connector freeway. I imagine it being a slightly longer version of I-41 in Green Bay. Separated C/D lanes between close exits, allowing for more interchanges with access to city streets.

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I donít think WISDOT would re-do the interstate alignment. I think theyíre happy that I-39/I-90/I-94 doesnít carry local traffic because the interstate carries so much traffic and local traffic would cause serious congestion. US 51/Stoughton Rd keeps the interstate less congested.

However, the lack of interchanges on the far east side does make driving frustrating.

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Yea, but that ship sailed at least 60 years ago and before then (before the Interstate Highway Act), there were proposals (plans?) to extend the cross-country ticket-turnpike (Indiana Toll Road) through Chicago and onward at least to the MSP area, which would have served and bypassed Madison.  Stoughton Rd WOULD have been the east Beltline under that scenario.  The original stated purpose of the Interstates as to bypass major population centers to mainly serve cross-country through traffic and not local traffic, so I do agree with the light access to the existing I-39/90/94 corridor in Madison.  Yes, I can also see the existing Beltline becoming and 'odd' 3DI.

Mike

dvferyance:

--- Quote from: mgk920 on March 16, 2023, 01:45:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: peterj920 on March 16, 2023, 12:33:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: thspfc on March 15, 2023, 11:11:24 PM ---As is, 39/90/94 isnít really for local traffic. Too far out, and basically only interchanges with other limited-access roads. As a result, that local traffic is pushed onto Stoughton Rd.

Iím sure if WISDOT could redo things from scratch, they would build 39/90/94 closer to Stoughton Rdís current alignment than the Interstatesí current alignment. That would eliminate the need for 1) a limited-access Stoughton Rd, and 2) the WI-30 connector freeway. I imagine it being a slightly longer version of I-41 in Green Bay. Separated C/D lanes between close exits, allowing for more interchanges with access to city streets.

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I donít think WISDOT would re-do the interstate alignment. I think theyíre happy that I-39/I-90/I-94 doesnít carry local traffic because the interstate carries so much traffic and local traffic would cause serious congestion. US 51/Stoughton Rd keeps the interstate less congested.

However, the lack of interchanges on the far east side does make driving frustrating.

--- End quote ---

Yea, but that ship sailed at least 60 years ago and before then (before the Interstate Highway Act), there were proposals (plans?) to extend the cross-country ticket-turnpike (Indiana Toll Road) through Chicago and onward at least to the MSP area, which would have served and bypassed Madison.  Stoughton Rd WOULD have been the east Beltline under that scenario.  The original stated purpose of the Interstates as to bypass major population centers to mainly serve cross-country through traffic and not local traffic, so I do agree with the light access to the existing I-39/90/94 corridor in Madison.  Yes, I can also see the existing Beltline becoming and 'odd' 3DI.

Mike

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Yeah just what we need a fifth route sharing the same pavement.

SEWIGuy:
I just don't see WIDOT being all that interested in 3dis at all so I think we are safe from a fifth highway on the corridor. (Although the corridor DID have five highways in the past before WI-13 was truncated.)

Anyway, I think if WIDOT knew then what it knows now, it would have kept the interstate right where it is but would have developed an exit at Buckeye Road (County AB) in between I-94 and the Beltline.  I think it would have helped reduce congestion on the US-51 / Beltline interchange because a significant amount of traffic from Monona and the east side of Madison has to use the US-51 corridor to get to the interstate.

The Ghostbuster:
There won't be any new 3dis in Wisconsin (or new 2dis for that matter). Interstates 535, 794 and 894 are all the 3dis that will likely ever exist. I certainly would not want one on the Beltline or STH-30.

hobsini2:

--- Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2023, 11:11:00 AM ---There won't be any new 3dis in Wisconsin (or new 2dis for that matter). Interstates 535, 794 and 894 are all the 3dis that will likely ever exist. I certainly would not want one on the Beltline or STH-30.

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I could see Wis 30 being a 3di because of its access between I-39/90/94 and Downtown. Not likely but I could see it.

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