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Title: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: webny99 on May 13, 2021, 10:18:05 AM
Until a few years ago, I didn't know A's (as in Oakland A's) was short for Athletics... I guess I just thought the letter A was cool enough to be a name by itself!

Going way back (more than just a few years) I used to think all sports leagues had the same number of teams and same playoff structure. It had never occurred to me that there could be more than one way of structuring a playoff.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 13, 2021, 10:20:22 AM
Myth; 5G causes COVID. 
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: thspfc on May 13, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
QuoteMyths - Sports Edition
Chargers fans
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 13, 2021, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 13, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
QuoteMyths - Sports Edition
Chargers fans

I actually knew one in Arizona, otherwise I wouldn't believe they actually exist. 
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2021, 04:20:07 PM
When people describe something that fails to meet expectations as "under par".  As in "This steak is under par".  They are actually saying the exact opposite of what they intended.  Since you win at golf by having the lowest score possible, getting under par is great.  So if that steak sucks, a person should be like, "This steak is way over par."
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Scott5114 on May 14, 2021, 02:16:05 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 13, 2021, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 13, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
QuoteMyths - Sports Edition
Chargers fans

I actually knew one in Arizona, otherwise I wouldn't believe they actually exist. 

My wife is nominally one; she grew up in San Diego and watched Chargers and Padres games with her late father. She doesn't actively watch the games now, though. But we do have a Chargers blanket on the couch.

Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2021, 04:20:07 PM
When people describe something that fails to meet expectations as "under par".  As in "This steak is under par".  They are actually saying the exact opposite of what they intended.  Since you win at golf by having the lowest score possible, getting under par is great.  So if that steak sucks, a person should be like, "This steak is way over par."

Par is from the Latin word for "equal" and is frequently used outside of golf context to mean "average" (as well as retaining the meaning of "equal", like in the phrase "ODOT signage is on par with what a third grader could do"; this is where we get the word "parity"). So if someone says a steak is "below par" or "subpar" they mean it's below average, and aren't using the word to reference its golf meaning.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: kphoger on May 14, 2021, 12:57:05 PM
I've never even seen a steak playing golf, tbh.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: webny99 on May 14, 2021, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 14, 2021, 12:57:05 PM
I've never even seen a steak playing golf, tbh.

What about a beefcake, though?   :D
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 01:43:51 PM
If Kevin Dyson scored the Titans would have won the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: SectorZ on May 14, 2021, 02:31:19 PM
That anything someone does in a sporting event is "heroic"

(And yes I know I'm a broken record with this...)
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: thspfc on May 14, 2021, 03:01:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 01:43:51 PM
If Kevin Dyson scored the Titans would have won the Super Bowl.
Similarly, the Seahawks would have won if they ran the ball.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: mgk920 on May 14, 2021, 03:36:09 PM
The correct quote from Vince Lombardi was "Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is".

Mike
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 14, 2021, 03:47:08 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 13, 2021, 10:18:05 AM
Until a few years ago, I didn't know A's (as in Oakland A's) was short for Athletics... I guess I just thought the letter A was cool enough to be a name by itself!

Going way back (more than just a few years) I used to think all sports leagues had the same number of teams and same playoff structure. It had never occurred to me that there could be more than one way of structuring a playoff.

You probably didn't know they originally played in Philadelphia then either!
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 14, 2021, 03:55:08 PM
My wife, thinking that the 2 Minute Warning meaning the game will be over in two minutes.  :-D
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 04:22:44 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 14, 2021, 03:55:08 PM
My wife, thinking that the 2 Minute Warning meaning the game will be over in two minutes.  :-D
Timeout timeout! (5 minute commercial break follows)
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: formulanone on May 14, 2021, 04:36:40 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 14, 2021, 02:31:19 PM
That anything someone does in a sporting event is "heroic"

(And yes I know I'm a broken record with this...)

I agree, with some notable but rare exceptions. Probably less if you consider "heroic", if you have to die for it.

Mike Hailwood was awarded the George Medal for saving Clay Regazzoni's life. (https://www.carthrottle.com/post/rzkpxov/)

Lawrence Lemieux, 1988 Olympic sailing (http://blogs.britannica.com/2008/08/olympic-moments-lawrence-lemieux-saves-lives-1988/)
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 14, 2021, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 14, 2021, 03:01:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 01:43:51 PM
If Kevin Dyson scored the Titans would have won the Super Bowl.
Similarly, the Seahawks would have won if they ran the ball.

Or if the Packers made the right choice to go for the TD rather than kicking the FG.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 14, 2021, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 14, 2021, 03:01:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 01:43:51 PM
If Kevin Dyson scored the Titans would have won the Super Bowl.
Similarly, the Seahawks would have won if they ran the ball.

Or if the Packers made the right choice to go for the TD rather than kicking the FG.
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 14, 2021, 07:46:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 14, 2021, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 14, 2021, 03:01:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 01:43:51 PM
If Kevin Dyson scored the Titans would have won the Super Bowl.
Similarly, the Seahawks would have won if they ran the ball.

Or if the Packers made the right choice to go for the TD rather than kicking the FG.
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

People also think it's a given TB wins the game anyway since 2:09 was still left. I see it like this. The FG meant the Bucs basically had to go 10 yards to win instead of 50. If GB gets a TD+2 and ties it, let's say the Bucs start out at their own 25. They probably have to go about 40-45 yards to even *think* about attempting a long FG outdoors in January. Brady did not play well in the 2nd half of that game after the big first half. You have to give teams more chances to make mistakes, and if they beat you, they beat you.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: SectorZ on May 14, 2021, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 14, 2021, 04:36:40 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 14, 2021, 02:31:19 PM
That anything someone does in a sporting event is "heroic"

(And yes I know I'm a broken record with this...)

I agree, with some notable but rare exceptions. Probably less if you consider "heroic", if you have to die for it.

Mike Hailwood was awarded the George Medal for saving Clay Regazzoni's life. (https://www.carthrottle.com/post/rzkpxov/)

Lawrence Lemieux, 1988 Olympic sailing (http://blogs.britannica.com/2008/08/olympic-moments-lawrence-lemieux-saves-lives-1988/)

I think I can make a place for those exceptions.

I'll add a local one for me, Red Sox outfielder Jim Rice running into the stands to tend to a young child that took a line drive to the face. (https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/09/26/yankee-stadium-foull-ball-jim-rice-fenway-park)
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Mapmikey on May 14, 2021, 08:48:33 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 14, 2021, 03:47:08 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 13, 2021, 10:18:05 AM
Until a few years ago, I didn't know A's (as in Oakland A's) was short for Athletics... I guess I just thought the letter A was cool enough to be a name by itself!

Going way back (more than just a few years) I used to think all sports leagues had the same number of teams and same playoff structure. It had never occurred to me that there could be more than one way of structuring a playoff.

You probably didn't know they originally played in Philadelphia then either!

Or Kansas City before finally making it to Oakland
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 14, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 14, 2021, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 14, 2021, 04:36:40 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 14, 2021, 02:31:19 PM
That anything someone does in a sporting event is "heroic"

(And yes I know I'm a broken record with this...)

I agree, with some notable but rare exceptions. Probably less if you consider "heroic", if you have to die for it.

Mike Hailwood was awarded the George Medal for saving Clay Regazzoni's life. (https://www.carthrottle.com/post/rzkpxov/)

Lawrence Lemieux, 1988 Olympic sailing (http://blogs.britannica.com/2008/08/olympic-moments-lawrence-lemieux-saves-lives-1988/)

I think I can make a place for those exceptions.

I'll add a local one for me, Red Sox outfielder Jim Rice running into the stands to tend to a young child that took a line drive to the face.
(https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/09/26/yankee-stadium-foull-ball-jim-rice-fenway-park)

Or Rick Monday saving the American flag from extremists who planned to burn it.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: webny99 on May 14, 2021, 10:01:55 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 14, 2021, 03:01:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 01:43:51 PM
If Kevin Dyson scored the Titans would have won the Super Bowl.
Similarly, the Seahawks would have won if they ran the ball.

I assume you are stating this as a myth... If so, then yeah, I agree. I believe I've linked to this article before, but here it is again:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-head-coach-botched-the-end-of-the-super-bowl-and-it-wasnt-pete-carroll/
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: webny99 on May 14, 2021, 10:06:18 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 14, 2021, 07:46:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 14, 2021, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 14, 2021, 03:01:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 01:43:51 PM
If Kevin Dyson scored the Titans would have won the Super Bowl.
Similarly, the Seahawks would have won if they ran the ball.

Or if the Packers made the right choice to go for the TD rather than kicking the FG.
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

People also think it's a given TB wins the game anyway since 2:09 was still left. I see it like this. The FG meant the Bucs basically had to go 10 yards to win instead of 50. If GB gets a TD+2 and ties it, let's say the Bucs start out at their own 25. They probably have to go about 40-45 yards to even *think* about attempting a long FG outdoors in January. Brady did not play well in the 2nd half of that game after the big first half. You have to give teams more chances to make mistakes, and if they beat you, they beat you.

I think they should have gone for it, but it wasn't a terrible, indefensible decision to kick the FG. Sure, TB might not have gone down the field, but the odds were stacked against the Packers defense, and the Packers would have had to get a stop and score again to win in regulation regardless.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: thspfc on May 14, 2021, 10:46:57 PM
I typically am on the more conservative side when it comes to taking the field goal vs risking it for the touchdown, but I think that was an awful decision by LaFleur, and it's really the only time I haven't been impressed with LaFleur during his tenure. If the Packers had gotten that two point conversion earlier in the game I would agree with kicking the field goal to make it a 3 point game, but a 5 point game vs an 8 point game with two minutes left is really no difference; either way it's a very tall task because you have to get the ball back right away, hope for decent field position, and then go down the field again - but this time you actually have to score a touchdown . And that's not even accounting for the fact that the guy on the other side was none other than Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. I don't care if he had a down game, he is still one of the most clutch athletes who has ever lived.

Here are the possible scenarios:

1. Exactly what happened: Packers kick the FG, Bucs run the clock out and win.
2. Packers kick the FG, get the ball back with about 1:30 left, and aren't able to score a touchdown. Bucs win.
3. Packers go for it and don't get it. Bucs have the ball inside their own 10. So it's basically as if the Packers kicked the field goal, except better because of the Bucs' poor field position.
4. Packers go for it and don't get it, but get very close. Bucs are in the shadow of their own goalposts. Packers get a safety and get the ball back.
5. Packers go for it and score, but don't get the conversion. So it's the same as the field goal, except much better because they now only need a stop and a field goal rather than a stop and a touchdown.
6. Packers go for it and score, and get the conversion. Tied game. Granted, history tells us that there's a 99% chance that Brady leads the Bucs' offense down th- shhhhh, that's not my point.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:36:07 PM
The ball that went through Bill Buckner's legs was the only reason why the Red Sox lost Game 6 in 1986.  If he makes the play, the game moves on to the 11th and who knows what would have happened after that.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 15, 2021, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:36:07 PM
The ball that went through Bill Buckner's legs was the only reason why the Red Sox lost Game 6 in 1986.  If he makes the play, the game moves on to the 11th and who knows what would have happened after that.

Yep. It's unfortunate how pitchers Calvin Schiraldi and Bob Stanley have gotten off scot-free for blowing the lead.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Takumi on May 15, 2021, 09:46:26 PM
Similarly, the Steve Bartman game was game 6. The Cubs had to lose game 7 as well.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: bing101 on May 15, 2021, 10:40:47 PM
Raiders wanted to move back to Los Angeles after the Oakland stadium deal failed.



Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 15, 2021, 11:17:17 PM
Brett Hull's goal in the crease was game 6 so the Sabres would still have to win that game in OT and win game 7 in Dallas.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 04:48:23 PM
The field goal vs going for it late in that game is just the last peanut in the turd that was getting 3 gifts served on silver platter from Crybrady and then doing jack shit with them.  That is the stupid legacy of the 2021 NFC Championship.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: thspfc on May 17, 2021, 09:43:07 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 04:48:23 PM
The field goal vs going for it late in that game is just the last peanut in the turd that was getting 3 gifts served on silver platter from Crybrady and then doing jack shit with them.  That is the stupid legacy of the 2021 NFC Championship.
You fit right in with Alps.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 09:50:32 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 04:48:23 PM
The field goal vs going for it late in that game is just the last peanut in the turd that was getting 3 gifts served on silver platter from Crybrady and then doing jack shit with them.  That is the stupid legacy of the 2021 NFC Championship.
CryBrady won the super bowl.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: 1995hoo on May 18, 2021, 07:37:58 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 14, 2021, 03:55:08 PM
My wife, thinking that the 2 Minute Warning meaning the game will be over in two minutes.  :-D

No, it means "go now because the restroom lines are about to get really long."
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 18, 2021, 10:59:25 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 18, 2021, 07:37:58 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 14, 2021, 03:55:08 PM
My wife, thinking that the 2 Minute Warning meaning the game will be over in two minutes.  :-D

No, it means "go now because the restroom lines are about to get really long."

Right? Not to mention the long line of cars leaving the parking lot if you're at a game in person.

At home, it means "slowly start getting ready. We'll leave here in about 15."
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 18, 2021, 04:14:56 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 18, 2021, 10:59:25 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 18, 2021, 07:37:58 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 14, 2021, 03:55:08 PM
My wife, thinking that the 2 Minute Warning meaning the game will be over in two minutes.  :-D

No, it means "go now because the restroom lines are about to get really long."

Right? Not to mention the long line of cars leaving the parking lot if you're at a game in person.

At home, it means "slowly start getting ready. We'll leave here in about 15."

I'll always have a small grudge against my dad because we went to a Packers/Vikings MNF game in 1999 where he made us both go to the bathroom before halftime and we missed a bomb TD to Randy Moss.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Alps on May 18, 2021, 07:15:03 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 17, 2021, 09:43:07 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 04:48:23 PM
The field goal vs going for it late in that game is just the last peanut in the turd that was getting 3 gifts served on silver platter from Crybrady and then doing jack shit with them.  That is the stupid legacy of the 2021 NFC Championship.
You fit right in with Alps.
as fans of not cheating? cool  8-)
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 18, 2021, 09:02:51 PM
Punting is always a smart move.
Consecutive points and unanswered points are the same thing.
Soccer is fun.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 18, 2021, 09:13:31 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 15, 2021, 09:46:26 PM
Similarly, the Steve Bartman game was game 6. The Cubs had to lose game 7 as well.

The way he was treated still sickens me.  They blew a big lead AFTER that happened and the guy who blunders and errors points at Bartman and receives no blame.  Hated the Cubs ever since. 
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 19, 2021, 11:51:52 AM
I thought of another one, with the Olympics coming up.

The 1980 "miracle on ice" with the US beating the Soviets was Team USA winning it all.

Nope, that was just to advance to another round, and I believe it was Sweden they subsequently lost to.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: thspfc on May 19, 2021, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 18, 2021, 09:02:51 PM
Punting is always a smart move.
Consecutive points and unanswered points are the same thing.
Soccer is fun.
Nobody has ever said that punting is always a smart move.
Can you restate your opinion on soccer again?
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on May 19, 2021, 03:55:16 PM
I agree about association football. We have it all the time in the media here in Spain, as if it was the only sport in existence.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: 1995hoo on May 19, 2021, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 19, 2021, 11:51:52 AM
I thought of another one, with the Olympics coming up.

The 1980 "miracle on ice" with the US beating the Soviets was Team USA winning it all.

Nope, that was just to advance to another round, and I believe it was Sweden they subsequently lost to.

They didn't lose the next game. They beat Finland to win the gold medal. The Olympic hockey that year didn't use a bracket. There was round-robin play in two six-team groups. The top two teams from each group then advanced to the final round and played a round robin against the teams from the other group (the result against the other team advancing from your own group carried over).

So the USA had tied Sweden in the preliminary round and that carried over. The USSR had beaten Finland in the preliminary round and that carried over. The USA played the USSR and Finland, in that order, and won both games to finish with 5 standings points (2 for each of those wins and 1 for beating Sweden earlier). The USSR lost to the USA and then crushed Sweden 9—2 to finish with 4 points (2 for beating Finland earlier, 2 for beating Sweden, 0 for losing to the USA). Sweden tied Finland and then, as noted, lost to the USSR; they finished in third place with 2 points (1 for the tie with Finland, 1 for the earlier tie with the USA, 0 for the loss to the USSR). Finland, as already noted, tied Sweden and lost to the USA and finished fourth with 1 point.

If the USA had lost to Finland, they would have finished with three points and Finland also would have finished with three. The USSR would have won gold by beating Sweden. I assume Finland would have taken silver on a head-to-head tiebreaker and the USA would have taken bronze, but who knows–Europeans tend to have strange rules for tiebreakers and I assume the format for the tournament was designed by the IIHF.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 19, 2021, 05:48:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 19, 2021, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 19, 2021, 11:51:52 AM
I thought of another one, with the Olympics coming up.

The 1980 "miracle on ice" with the US beating the Soviets was Team USA winning it all.

Nope, that was just to advance to another round, and I believe it was Sweden they subsequently lost to.

They didn't lose the next game. They beat Finland to win the gold medal. The Olympic hockey that year didn't use a bracket. There was round-robin play in two six-team groups. The top two teams from each group then advanced to the final round and played a round robin against the teams from the other group (the result against the other team advancing from your own group carried over).

So the USA had tied Sweden in the preliminary round and that carried over. The USSR had beaten Finland in the preliminary round and that carried over. The USA played the USSR and Finland, in that order, and won both games to finish with 5 standings points (2 for each of those wins and 1 for beating Sweden earlier). The USSR lost to the USA and then crushed Sweden 9—2 to finish with 4 points (2 for beating Finland earlier, 2 for beating Sweden, 0 for losing to the USA). Sweden tied Finland and then, as noted, lost to the USSR; they finished in third place with 2 points (1 for the tie with Finland, 1 for the earlier tie with the USA, 0 for the loss to the USSR). Finland, as already noted, tied Sweden and lost to the USA and finished fourth with 1 point.

If the USA had lost to Finland, they would have finished with three points and Finland also would have finished with three. The USSR would have won gold by beating Sweden. I assume Finland would have taken silver on a head-to-head tiebreaker and the USA would have taken bronze, but who knows–Europeans tend to have strange rules for tiebreakers and I assume the format for the tournament was designed by the IIHF.

Oh wow! I didn't know all this.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 07:31:11 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 19, 2021, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 19, 2021, 11:51:52 AM
I thought of another one, with the Olympics coming up.

The 1980 "miracle on ice" with the US beating the Soviets was Team USA winning it all.

Nope, that was just to advance to another round, and I believe it was Sweden they subsequently lost to.

They didn't lose the next game. They beat Finland to win the gold medal. The Olympic hockey that year didn't use a bracket. There was round-robin play in two six-team groups. The top two teams from each group then advanced to the final round and played a round robin against the teams from the other group (the result against the other team advancing from your own group carried over).

So the USA had tied Sweden in the preliminary round and that carried over. The USSR had beaten Finland in the preliminary round and that carried over. The USA played the USSR and Finland, in that order, and won both games to finish with 5 standings points (2 for each of those wins and 1 for beating Sweden earlier). The USSR lost to the USA and then crushed Sweden 9—2 to finish with 4 points (2 for beating Finland earlier, 2 for beating Sweden, 0 for losing to the USA). Sweden tied Finland and then, as noted, lost to the USSR; they finished in third place with 2 points (1 for the tie with Finland, 1 for the earlier tie with the USA, 0 for the loss to the USSR). Finland, as already noted, tied Sweden and lost to the USA and finished fourth with 1 point.

If the USA had lost to Finland, they would have finished with three points and Finland also would have finished with three. The USSR would have won gold by beating Sweden. I assume Finland would have taken silver on a head-to-head tiebreaker and the USA would have taken bronze, but who knows–Europeans tend to have strange rules for tiebreakers and I assume the format for the tournament was designed by the IIHF.

Yes, this pretty well describes it. Before the TV networks took over sports, round robins were more common than knockout tournaments for deciding championships. The Soviet Union had to play Sweden after the US had already beat Finland to clinch the gold. Today, when everything is shown live, this kind of thing doesn't fly because nobody would watch that last game. In 1980, the US-USSR game wasn't even shown live. People who were out in their cars or otherwise listening to the radio earlier in the day heard a "breaking news" interruption announcing the historic upset. People who were at home watching TV or anyone not having listened to the radio got to watch the game later in the evening unspoiled.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 21, 2021, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 19, 2021, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 18, 2021, 09:02:51 PM
Punting is always a smart move.
Consecutive points and unanswered points are the same thing.
Soccer is fun.
Nobody has ever said that punting is always a smart move.
Can you restate your opinion on soccer again?

I think the punting misconception is going away
I mean "soccer is fun" is a misconception :P
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 21, 2021, 03:28:37 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 19, 2021, 05:48:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 19, 2021, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 19, 2021, 11:51:52 AM
I thought of another one, with the Olympics coming up.

The 1980 "miracle on ice" with the US beating the Soviets was Team USA winning it all.

Nope, that was just to advance to another round, and I believe it was Sweden they subsequently lost to.

They didn't lose the next game. They beat Finland to win the gold medal. The Olympic hockey that year didn't use a bracket. There was round-robin play in two six-team groups. The top two teams from each group then advanced to the final round and played a round robin against the teams from the other group (the result against the other team advancing from your own group carried over).

So the USA had tied Sweden in the preliminary round and that carried over. The USSR had beaten Finland in the preliminary round and that carried over. The USA played the USSR and Finland, in that order, and won both games to finish with 5 standings points (2 for each of those wins and 1 for beating Sweden earlier). The USSR lost to the USA and then crushed Sweden 9—2 to finish with 4 points (2 for beating Finland earlier, 2 for beating Sweden, 0 for losing to the USA). Sweden tied Finland and then, as noted, lost to the USSR; they finished in third place with 2 points (1 for the tie with Finland, 1 for the earlier tie with the USA, 0 for the loss to the USSR). Finland, as already noted, tied Sweden and lost to the USA and finished fourth with 1 point.

If the USA had lost to Finland, they would have finished with three points and Finland also would have finished with three. The USSR would have won gold by beating Sweden. I assume Finland would have taken silver on a head-to-head tiebreaker and the USA would have taken bronze, but who knows–Europeans tend to have strange rules for tiebreakers and I assume the format for the tournament was designed by the IIHF.

Oh wow! I didn't know all this.  Thanks!

I'm sure in the movie version it was the Championship
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 21, 2021, 03:28:37 PM
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I thought of another one, with the Olympics coming up.

The 1980 "miracle on ice" with the US beating the Soviets was Team USA winning it all.

Nope, that was just to advance to another round, and I believe it was Sweden they subsequently lost to.

They didn't lose the next game. They beat Finland to win the gold medal. The Olympic hockey that year didn't use a bracket. There was round-robin play in two six-team groups. The top two teams from each group then advanced to the final round and played a round robin against the teams from the other group (the result against the other team advancing from your own group carried over).

So the USA had tied Sweden in the preliminary round and that carried over. The USSR had beaten Finland in the preliminary round and that carried over. The USA played the USSR and Finland, in that order, and won both games to finish with 5 standings points (2 for each of those wins and 1 for beating Sweden earlier). The USSR lost to the USA and then crushed Sweden 9—2 to finish with 4 points (2 for beating Finland earlier, 2 for beating Sweden, 0 for losing to the USA). Sweden tied Finland and then, as noted, lost to the USSR; they finished in third place with 2 points (1 for the tie with Finland, 1 for the earlier tie with the USA, 0 for the loss to the USSR). Finland, as already noted, tied Sweden and lost to the USA and finished fourth with 1 point.

If the USA had lost to Finland, they would have finished with three points and Finland also would have finished with three. The USSR would have won gold by beating Sweden. I assume Finland would have taken silver on a head-to-head tiebreaker and the USA would have taken bronze, but who knows–Europeans tend to have strange rules for tiebreakers and I assume the format for the tournament was designed by the IIHF.

Oh wow! I didn't know all this.  Thanks!

I'm sure in the movie version it was the Championship


Not sure which movie version you're talking about. In the 2004 version with Kurt Russell as Coach Brooks, it was pretty clear that there was a game against Finland after the USSR game.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: webny99 on June 14, 2021, 10:20:10 PM
I just realized I've been seeing the Atlanta Hawks logo in reverse... almost like a monster with its mouth open.  :-D
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: DandyDan on June 16, 2021, 07:23:43 AM
Quote from: thspfc on May 13, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
QuoteMyths - Sports Edition
Chargers fans
I actually work with one here in Iowa. He grew up in Orange County, CA, and he said there were always some Charger fans there when he grew up.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: texaskdog on June 16, 2021, 10:12:14 AM
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If Kevin Dyson scored the Titans would have won the Super Bowl.
Similarly, the Seahawks would have won if they ran the ball.

Or if the Packers made the right choice to go for the TD rather than kicking the FG.
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

I don't like to second guess a coach but those were incredibly stupid plays.  In the "play it safe" NFL where you generally take the route of least resistance to avoid criticism those were stupid moves.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
Misconception: Most of the "big four" sports are all located in the same cities.
Reality: There are 46 US cities with at least one major league franchise, and only 12 cities have a team from all four major leagues.

Anyone want to try guessing the 12 cities without cheating?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
Misconception: Most of the "big four" sports are all located in the same cities.
Reality: There are 46 US cities with at least one major league franchise, and only 12 cities have a team from all four major leagues.

Anyone want to try guessing the 12 cities without cheating?  :biggrin:

Boston
New York
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Minneapolis
Miami
Denver
Dallas
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Phoenix
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
... only 12 cities have a team from all four major leagues.

Anyone want to try guessing the 12 cities without cheating?  :biggrin:

Boston
New York
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Minneapolis
Miami
Denver
Dallas
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Phoenix

Very close!

All correct except San Francisco (it doesn't have an NHL team). Washington DC is the one you were missing.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 12:22:53 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
... only 12 cities have a team from all four major leagues.

Anyone want to try guessing the 12 cities without cheating?  :biggrin:

Boston
New York
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Minneapolis
Miami
Denver
Dallas
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Phoenix

Very close!

All correct except San Francisco (it doesn't have an NHL team). Washington DC is the one you were missing.
I did forget Washington, but the Bay Area has all 4 major sports so I only made a minor error.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 18, 2021, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
... only 12 cities have a team from all four major leagues.

Anyone want to try guessing the 12 cities without cheating?  :biggrin:

Boston
New York
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Minneapolis
Miami
Denver
Dallas
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Phoenix

Very close!

All correct except San Francisco (it doesn't have an NHL team). Washington DC is the one you were missing.

If you go by city proper instead of by metro area, it's only:
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Denver
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 18, 2021, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 18, 2021, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
... only 12 cities have a team from all four major leagues.

Anyone want to try guessing the 12 cities without cheating?  :biggrin:

Boston
New York
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Minneapolis
Miami
Denver
Dallas
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Phoenix

Very close!

All correct except San Francisco (it doesn't have an NHL team). Washington DC is the one you were missing.

If you go by city proper instead of by metro area, it's only:
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Denver
Of course it's worth noting how influential Philadelphia was (and still is) with their South Philadelphia Sports Complex.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 12:37:11 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 18, 2021, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
... only 12 cities have a team from all four major leagues.

Anyone want to try guessing the 12 cities without cheating?  :biggrin:

Boston
New York
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Minneapolis
Miami
Denver
Dallas
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Phoenix

Very close!

All correct except San Francisco (it doesn't have an NHL team). Washington DC is the one you were missing.

If you go by city proper instead of by metro area, it's only:
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Denver
Chicago might leave the list if Arlington Heights happens.
Title: Re: Myths/Misconceptions - Sports Edition
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 18, 2021, 01:06:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 12:37:11 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 18, 2021, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
... only 12 cities have a team from all four major leagues.

Anyone want to try guessing the 12 cities without cheating?  :biggrin:

Boston
New York
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Minneapolis
Miami
Denver
Dallas
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Phoenix

Very close!

All correct except San Francisco (it doesn't have an NHL team). Washington DC is the one you were missing.

If you go by city proper instead of by metro area, it's only:
Philadelphia
Detroit
Chicago
Denver
Chicago might leave the list if Arlington Heights happens.
Right, and that'd make it three like that Agatha Christie story you may have heard of (it's okay if you haven't though).