News:

Thank you for your patience during the Forum downtime while we upgraded the software. Welcome back and see this thread for some new features and other changes to the forum.

Main Menu

Rogue Sign State Route Shields

Started by Max Rockatansky, June 28, 2020, 12:00:17 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

Max Rockatansky

Through my travels in California I've noticed that numerous local and Federal agencies have taken it upon themselves to place reassurance Sign State Route Shields on roads they maintain.  Most of these "rogue" Sign State Route shields appear to be in place for continuity purposes like CA 120 in Yosemite National Park and CA 130 east of Mount Hamilton the Stanislaus County Line.  While the modern California State Highway System is somewhat infamous for having Sign State Route shields being used as an indicator of maintenance it was once far more oriented towards navigational purposes.  Below is a historic summary of how Sign Routes were traditionally signed in California along with many of the roadways today that aren't State maintained that have Sign State Route shields:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/06/californias-rogue-sign-state-route.html


ozarkman417

I guess you could say it also is/was a quality reassurance purpose, like how I would rather take a state highway than a county one. Although when it comes to the quality of the roads, I would have never have guessed the NPS maintained those highways in particular, though the other roads there such as Glacier Point and Wawona are pretty much on par. However, the signage is a different story.. I'll give them credit for using Caltrans' classic advisory-speed-in-the-diamond in places.

Looking at the picture, this is quite easy to see:

-No "California" on the CA 140 shield (on the adjacent 120 shield as well?)

-A non-Caltrans version US 395 shield

-NPS signature brown painted poles

hotdogPi

MA 2A recently got a fake extension in Boston. It's signed, but it's not part of the route.
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13,44,50
MA 22,40,107,109,117,119,126,141,159
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; UK A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; FR95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 25 (updated from 14)

New: MA 14, 123

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: ozarkman417 on June 28, 2020, 12:57:33 AM
I guess you could say it also is/was a quality reassurance purpose, like how I would rather take a state highway than a county one. Although when it comes to the quality of the roads, I would have never have guessed the NPS maintained those highways in particular, though the other roads there such as Glacier Point and Wawona are pretty much on par. However, the signage is a different story.. I'll give them credit for using Caltrans' classic advisory-speed-in-the-diamond in places.

Looking at the picture, this is quite easy to see:

-No "California" on the CA 140 shield (on the adjacent 120 shield as well?)

-A non-Caltrans version US 395 shield

-NPS signature brown painted poles

For what it's worth the Park Service does a pretty decent job at maintaining their primary road networks.  It definitely doesn't hurt that they have an almost total lack of freight traffic in most National Parks.  Some of the secondary roads are just as poor as National Forest or Bureau of Land Management but that's to be expected on low volume infrastructure.  The signage is all over the place and usually not fully MUTCD, but at least it's well cared for.  Either way I'm all for route continuity if it makes sense.  In the case of CA 180 through Grant Grove or CA 120 through Yosemite it does make sense for navigational purposes. 

Regarding those California Spades there is actually a similar Caltrans spec intended for guide signs that sometimes makes it as a stand alone shield.  I have a couple "California-less"  spades in my personal collection:

https://flic.kr/p/H49k4Y

https://flic.kr/p/2bJefXt


Max Rockatansky

Quote from: 1 on June 28, 2020, 06:13:14 AM
MA 2A recently got a fake extension in Boston. It's signed, but it's not part of the route.

Similarly Grand Canyon National Park signs AZ 64 as though it exists within their boundaries. 

NE2

pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

Max Rockatansky


hotdogPi

Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13,44,50
MA 22,40,107,109,117,119,126,141,159
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; UK A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; FR95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 25 (updated from 14)

New: MA 14, 123

webny99

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 29, 2020, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 29, 2020, 08:05:40 PM
Is this rouge enough?
[img snipped]

WTF is it even supposed to be?

A play on the misspelling of rogue in the thread title.

Max Rockatansky

^^^

Got it right in the article and header.  I'm not even sure if my computer prompts for a spell check in thread titles now that I think about. 

Quote from: 1 on June 29, 2020, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 29, 2020, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 29, 2020, 08:05:40 PM
Is this rouge enough?


WTF is it even supposed to be?

New Zealand

It's hideous, is that the style they use?

hotdogPi

Not as bad as this one.

Quote from: NE2 on November 29, 2013, 12:21:53 AM


Click quote link to see original thread.

(Unfortunately, there is no 007.)
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13,44,50
MA 22,40,107,109,117,119,126,141,159
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; UK A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; FR95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 25 (updated from 14)

New: MA 14, 123

bing101


The Old California shields has to be rogue by 2020 standards though. But this photo was posted on AAroads back in 1998 But that old button copy had to have been removed in the past decade though.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: bing101 on June 29, 2020, 09:24:51 PM

The Old California shields has to be rogue by 2020 standards though. But this photo was posted on AAroads back in 1998 But that old button copy had to have been removed in the past decade though.

Not really rogue, more of OG sign assembly given it has a legit white button copy shield.

sparker

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 29, 2020, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: bing101 on June 29, 2020, 09:24:51 PM

The Old California shields has to be rogue by 2020 standards though. But this photo was posted on AAroads back in 1998 But that old button copy had to have been removed in the past decade though.

Not really rogue, more of OG sign assembly given it has a legit white button copy shield.

I distinctly remember that sign -- posted just east of the 101/134/170 North Hollywood interchange.  Was there as late as 2004, IIRC.

stevashe

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 29, 2020, 08:41:46 PM
^^^

Got it right in the article and header.  I'm not even sure if my computer prompts for a spell check in thread titles now that I think about. 

Quote from: 1 on June 29, 2020, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 29, 2020, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 29, 2020, 08:05:40 PM
Is this rouge enough?


WTF is it even supposed to be?

New Zealand

It's hideous, is that the style they use?

Took me a bit to realize, but the misspelling is on NE2's part, with rouge meaning red in French. (And that shield is indeed very red!)

And yes, that is the official signage used to mark state highways in New Zealand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_state_highway_network

hotdogPi

Quote from: stevashe on June 30, 2020, 01:12:45 PM
Took me a bit to realize, but the misspelling is on NE2's part, with rouge meaning red in French. (And that shield is indeed very red!)

The title was misspelled "rouge" and then fixed.
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13,44,50
MA 22,40,107,109,117,119,126,141,159
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; UK A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; FR95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 25 (updated from 14)

New: MA 14, 123



Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.