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I-210/CA 210 on the Foothill Freeway
Max Rockatansky:
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--- Quote from: ClassicHasClass on February 07, 2020, 11:40:39 PM ---I think there's still an issue with the former CA 30 portion, but I don't recall exactly where.
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On the bermed portion of the freeway from east of the Waterman Ave. (CA 18) interchange to just east of the Highland Ave. (former Business 30) there are several bridges with no shoulders (constructed ca. 1967); the trenched section to the west has substandard inner shoulders from the CA 259 merge to near Highland. The 1992-opened sections from Highland to I-10 in Redlands and between 259 and I-215 are both full interstate standard, as is the 2007 section west to Fontana. The bridges could conceivably get waivers, but it's likely the shoulders will have to be widened before that section is acceptable as an Interstate.
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So in theory CA 210 between CA 57 and I-215 is good to go for Interstate inclusion? That would seemingly have some practicality unto itself given it would have an I-210 connecting to signed Interstate segments at both terminus points.
sparker:
--- Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2020, 01:57:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: sparker on February 08, 2020, 01:51:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: ClassicHasClass on February 07, 2020, 11:40:39 PM ---I think there's still an issue with the former CA 30 portion, but I don't recall exactly where.
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On the bermed portion of the freeway from east of the Waterman Ave. (CA 18) interchange to just east of the Highland Ave. (former Business 30) there are several bridges with no shoulders (constructed ca. 1967); the trenched section to the west has substandard inner shoulders from the CA 259 merge to near Highland. The 1992-opened sections from Highland to I-10 in Redlands and between 259 and I-215 are both full interstate standard, as is the 2007 section west to Fontana. The bridges could conceivably get waivers, but it's likely the shoulders will have to be widened before that section is acceptable as an Interstate.
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So in theory CA 210 between CA 57 and I-215 is good to go for Interstate inclusion? That would seemingly have some practicality unto itself given it would have an I-210 connecting to signed Interstate segments at both terminus points.
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Since the raison d'etre for the composite "210" designation is a bypass/alternative to I-10, it's more than likely that the entire corridor, when brought up to standard (or, alternately, given waivers) will be submitted in one fell swoop. If Caltrans were interested in one-section-at-a-time designations, they would have submitted the section from CA 57 out to I-15 between 2002 and 2007 after that segment opened up. Obviously, they were at least waiting until the 210/215 interchange was completed a few years back before any such designation activity was contemplated -- but it's been over 5 years and still no action on that front. I don't think they're in any hurry to do anything until they can fund and finish the San Bernardino upgrades to provide a singular 85-mile I-210 corridor from Redlands to Sylmar.
mrsman:
CA is "lucky" that they are a state that disallows the same number being used on two different highways. Here, the entire highway is part of "the 210" even though it has a miner's spade east of CA 57. In people's minds, it is all one highway. So while I and many others on the forum would prefer to see the interstate shield on as much of the highway that qualifies to interstate standards (and ideally the entire roadway at some future point), in Caltrans' view it is no big deal that there is both a CA-210 and I-210 along the same corridor.
CA 15 is a bigger mystery to me. Are there still non-interstate sections on that road?
Max Rockatansky:
--- Quote from: mrsman on February 09, 2020, 10:17:13 AM ---CA is "lucky" that they are a state that disallows the same number being used on two different highways. Here, the entire highway is part of "the 210" even though it has a miner's spade east of CA 57. In people's minds, it is all one highway. So while I and many others on the forum would prefer to see the interstate shield on as much of the highway that qualifies to interstate standards (and ideally the entire roadway at some future point), in Caltrans' view it is no big deal that there is both a CA-210 and I-210 along the same corridor.
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Isn't that attitude by Caltrans kind of a problem unto itself, or at least seems like a dereliction of their role as a DOT? I seem to recall one of the forum members got some backlash from a Caltrans director regarding the question of the value of the Interstate designation of CA 15 over I-15?
ClassicHasClass:
--- Quote ---CA 15 is a bigger mystery to me. Are there still non-interstate sections on that road?
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Largely the CA 15-CA 94 interchange. The curves are substandard.
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