Traffic Calming Projects: Useful or a Waste of $?

[SectorZ]

And that's the issue. Motorists are, and have specific laws. Bicyclists have enough varying laws that they can pretty much get away with everything. There's even groups of that they need to follow all traffic laws, and some that say it's dangerous to remain stopped at red lights.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/should-it-be-legal-for-cyclists-to-roll-through-stop-signs/

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/9/10/its-legal-to-run-lights-and-other-things-you-might-not-have-known-about-cycling

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/01/27/dot-contemplating-revolutionary-pro-cycling-rule-changes/

We get it, you think cyclists suck and are inferior to you and somehow get away with everything.

[Rothman]

I don't see how they can get away with everything.  I mean, in some cases they get hit by a vehicle and are either injured or die.

[SectorZ]

I don't see how they can get away with everything.  I mean, in some cases they get hit by a vehicle and are either injured or die.

I know if I rode as recklessly as the average idiot claims I must, I'd be killed several times over by now.

[kphoger]

they put bike lanes in some pretty dumb places

This.

It irks me to see bike lanes added to residential streets that were already wide enough and little-trafficked enough for safe and easy cycling–while shoulder-less, sidewalk-less, 40mph-posted arterials go ignored.

Also, if I were a cynical person, I might suggest that bike lanes tend to get added to neighborhoods where anti-car culture is already trendy, rather than neighborhoods where cyclists actually need them.  Fortunately, I'm not so cynical.

[Scott5114]

Yeah, I don't think it's quite that cynical. I wouldn't say my neighborhood is particularly anti-car (if anything, the number of people who illegally park in the bike lanes would suggest otherwise). I think it was just a matter of "hey this road is wide enough that we could add a bike lane for the cost of some road paint". Beyond that, it's just "we are upgrading this road already, and it adds 5% to the cost of the project to add the three feet or whatever of extra space for the bike lane so let's do it".

Unfortunately, both of those create a hodgepodge of disparate cycle lanes that don't add up to a coherent network. For that you would have to have a program of "we are going to expand these streets that don't otherwise need it, to add a bike lane". And in Norman, there just isn't the political willpower for something like that.

[jeffandnicole]

And that's the issue. Motorists are, and have specific laws. Bicyclists have enough varying laws that they can pretty much get away with everything. There's even groups of that they need to follow all traffic laws, and some that say it's dangerous to remain stopped at red lights.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/should-it-be-legal-for-cyclists-to-roll-through-stop-signs/

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/9/10/its-legal-to-run-lights-and-other-things-you-might-not-have-known-about-cycling

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/01/27/dot-contemplating-revolutionary-pro-cycling-rule-changes/

We get it, you think cyclists suck and are inferior to you and somehow get away with everything.

Certainly not. I'm presenting the very claims bicyclists use, in response to someone's "I'll just use emojis instead of having a discussion".

The biggest problem is this is quite often the case. Many bicyclists have a hard time discussing the issues lobbed at them regarding their tendencies to ignore laws, and often resort to complaining about car drivers or ignoring the issue that tthere are some really bad bicyclists out there..

[kalvado]

And that's the issue. Motorists are, and have specific laws. Bicyclists have enough varying laws that they can pretty much get away with everything. There's even groups of that they need to follow all traffic laws, and some that say it's dangerous to remain stopped at red lights.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/should-it-be-legal-for-cyclists-to-roll-through-stop-signs/

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/9/10/its-legal-to-run-lights-and-other-things-you-might-not-have-known-about-cycling

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/01/27/dot-contemplating-revolutionary-pro-cycling-rule-changes/

We get it, you think cyclists suck and are inferior to you and somehow get away with everything.

Certainly not. I'm presenting the very claims bicyclists use, in response to someone's "I'll just use emojis instead of having a discussion".

The biggest problem is this is quite often the case. Many bicyclists have a hard time discussing the issues lobbed at them regarding their tendencies to ignore laws, and often resort to complaining about car drivers or ignoring the issue that tthere are some really bad bicyclists out there..

There are less than coherent car drivers, truck drivers, bikers, pedestrians, and even pets and wildlife.
However, if I had to rate these groups, I would say that commercial drivers are the most disciplined, followed by car drivers and leashed pets. It is sheer number of cars, which may outnumber the rest of traffic by a factor of many, that makes cars to have more problems than any other type of traffic.

[SEWIGuy]

And that's the issue. Motorists are, and have specific laws. Bicyclists have enough varying laws that they can pretty much get away with everything. There's even groups of that they need to follow all traffic laws, and some that say it's dangerous to remain stopped at red lights.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/should-it-be-legal-for-cyclists-to-roll-through-stop-signs/

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/9/10/its-legal-to-run-lights-and-other-things-you-might-not-have-known-about-cycling

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/01/27/dot-contemplating-revolutionary-pro-cycling-rule-changes/

We get it, you think cyclists suck and are inferior to you and somehow get away with everything.

Certainly not. I'm presenting the very claims bicyclists use, in response to someone's "I'll just use emojis instead of having a discussion".

The biggest problem is this is quite often the case. Many bicyclists have a hard time discussing the issues lobbed at them regarding their tendencies to ignore laws, and often resort to complaining about car drivers or ignoring the issue that tthere are some really bad bicyclists out there..

You're not interested in discussion. You're interested in pontificating. I'm giving you the response you deserve.

[jeffandnicole]

And that's the issue. Motorists are, and have specific laws. Bicyclists have enough varying laws that they can pretty much get away with everything. There's even groups of that they need to follow all traffic laws, and some that say it's dangerous to remain stopped at red lights.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/should-it-be-legal-for-cyclists-to-roll-through-stop-signs/

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/9/10/its-legal-to-run-lights-and-other-things-you-might-not-have-known-about-cycling

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/01/27/dot-contemplating-revolutionary-pro-cycling-rule-changes/

We get it, you think cyclists suck and are inferior to you and somehow get away with everything.

Certainly not. I'm presenting the very claims bicyclists use, in response to someone's "I'll just use emojis instead of having a discussion".

The biggest problem is this is quite often the case. Many bicyclists have a hard time discussing the issues lobbed at them regarding their tendencies to ignore laws, and often resort to complaining about car drivers or ignoring the issue that tthere are some really bad bicyclists out there..

You're not interested in discussion. You're interested in pontificating. I'm giving you the response you deserve.