Official speed limits (positive integer, evenly divisible by 5) higher than 20 mph and lower than the maximum legal speed in a state that are never posted. Examples:
Arizona doesn't seem to have 60 or 70 mph zones.
Colorado doesn't seem to have 70 mph zones.
60 in CT, RI, VT, NH, ME, and NY. (MA has a 60 section.)
70 in ME.
Didn't ME just raise several roadways to 70?
None of the numbers is missing in Texas, but for how much roadway we have I always thought that 65 was noticeably underused. 70 is the default, and 60 is used on a lot of Farm to Market Roads. Other than the environmental speed limits, which were removed from the DFW area last year but still exist around Houston, and construction speed limits, 65 is uncommon. I always thought that TxDOT didn't bother with a lower speed limit unless the need was enough to lower it by a full 10 mph. That's not an actual thought so much as a fanciful imaginary scenario. In reality, I don't know why it's used so infrequently.
In 65 mph max NJ, I've seen 60 used twice on a temporary basis: Once was on the NJ Turnpike's old vane display speed limit signage (again, once...on one sign...which could've easily been a display error). More recently the AC Expressway used 60 mph for a construction zone. Otherwise, there's no permanent 60 mph zones in the state.
I don't know of any permanent 60 mph zones in Delaware (65 mph max) or Pennsylvania (70 mph max) either.
Washington seems to use most everything, except 65, except in one or two spots, or on the variable signs.
I don't believe that either PA nor DE have any posted 60 mph zones. 60 mph speed advisories along some stretches of the PA Turnpike; I've seen are about it.
Quote from: 1 on August 01, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
60 in CT, RI, VT, NH, ME, and NY. (MA has a 60 section.)
70 in ME.
I know NY had 60 MPH posted pre NMSL days because I've seen a couple of SPEED LIMIT 60 signs in the classic NYSDOT "Lehay" type font lying in scrap yards. I have no idea why New York doesn't post 60 MPH now, I've always thought there should be a 60 MPH advisory limit on NY 49 WB where the parallel road to the Thruway departs the ROW to the northwest.
Quote from: 1 on August 01, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
60 in CT
The posted speed along the CT Turnpike, pre-NMSL, was 60 mph.
Quote from: vdeane on August 01, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
Didn't ME just raise several roadways to 70?
Yes, almost everything that was 65 is now 70.
Drive I-35W and you will learn to hate the 65 mph speed limit. Ignore it and you will find out how much law enforcement loves it.
Which is wild, because I-35 E is now 75 where it used to be 65.
Quote from: vdeane on August 01, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
Didn't ME just raise several roadways to 70?
Quote from: wxfree on August 01, 2016, 01:16:51 PM
None of the numbers is missing in Texas, but for how much roadway we have I always thought that 65 was noticeably underused.
I've never seen 60 in Georgia, outside of construction zones on normally-70-mph Interstates. I also can't recall any 50s off the top of my head; if they exist, they seem to be extremely rare.
Just some notables in California...
45 - US 101/Golden Gate Bridge
50 - US 101 in San Francisco from I-280 to I-80
55 - Very common across California
60 - CA-58 on 2-lane segment in Hinkley (soon to replaced)
65 - Typical on urban freeways and rural expressways.
70 - Typical on rural freeways.
Quote from: Eth on August 01, 2016, 06:09:40 PM
I've never seen 60 in Georgia, outside of construction zones on normally-70-mph Interstates. I also can't recall any 50s off the top of my head; if they exist, they seem to be extremely rare.
I-75 from Eisenhower Pkwy to Pierce Ave in Macon is signed at 60 mph (up from 55 mph in the last year or so). That's the only example I can think of off-hand, although some other 55 mph roads probably are worthy of 60 if not 65 (I-520 for example).
There's a 50 mph section of US 23/441 near the NC state line; parts of US 23 in north Macon are also 50 mph. But it is pretty uncommon in my experience.
None in Louisiana.
75 - Rural parts of I-49 north of Opelousas.
70 - All other rural interstates.
65 - Suburban interstates, expressways.
60 - Urban interstates.
55 - Rural highways.
50 - Golden Meadow. (This is a joke for fellow Louisianians.)
60 didn't exist on expressways in Illinois until the massive speed limit overhaul a couple years ago.
I can think of specific 20 (mostly school zones), 25 and 35-70 zones in Ohio, but no 30 zone comes to mind. I've definitely seen it posted, though.
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on August 01, 2016, 12:08:01 PM
Arizona doesn't seem to have 60 or 70 mph zones.
Which is unfortunate, because there are many roads here where those would work well.
After that period they lowered speed limits on freeways due to 'high gas prices' back in 2011, I don't think any road in Spain has a 110 km/h (68 mph) speed limit.
NJ doesn't have any 60s. There was one for a short time on the Atlantic City Expressway in a construction zone. Some other odd patterns are a general dearth of 30s and a lack of 45s on rural 2-lane roads (it's either 40 or 50)
With their recent speed limit raises, Oregon should still be missing 60. Someone from that region could confirm.
I can't think of any missing speed limits in Ontario:
40 km/h is typical in school zones
50 km/h is common on residential streets and many urban roads
60 km/h is common on urban arterials
70 km/h can be found on lower quality rural roads, some urban arterials and roads on the urban-rural boundary
80 km/h is the default on rural roads
90 km/h on some freeways (Conestoga Parkway, the Linc, Red Hill Parkway, part of the 403, I think the Gardiner and DVP too), some rural roads in southwestern Ontario, and Northern Ontario
100 km/h on most freeways
Quote from: TEG24601 on August 01, 2016, 01:37:39 PM
Washington seems to use most everything, except 65, except in one or two spots, or on the variable signs.
65 is somewhat common in Eastern Washington on rural (but well-maintained) 2-lanes. US 12 is a big one.
Nevada typical speed limits (which, except for school areas, are by no means official):
15 - School zones
20 - **not common**
25 - Residential streets; some minor collectors & downtown streets; School Crossing zones
30 - Some minor collectors & downtown streets
35 - Collectors; some major 2-lane arterials
40 - Arterials (not incredibly common)
45 - Most major 3-lane arterials
50 - Some minor rural highways; some major arterials (e.g. McCarran Blvd in Reno/Sparks)
55 - Many rural state highways
60 - Some rural highways (especially in mountainous/curvy areas)
65 - Urban freeways; some rural highways
70 - Rural US highways and rural Interstates
75 - Rural Interstates only
80 - **Legal maximum - not yet posted (to my knowledge)**
The least common in Iowa are 20 and 60. AFAIK, only I-235 has a speed limit of 60, and there are no 20 zones in my part of the state (although it's extremely likely that they exist elsewhere).
Quote from: roadfro on August 03, 2016, 01:22:55 AM
Nevada typical speed limits (which, except for school areas, are by no means official):
15 - School zones
20 - **not common**
25 - Residential streets; some minor collectors & downtown streets; School Crossing zones
30 - Some minor collectors & downtown streets
35 - Collectors; some major 2-lane arterials
40 - Arterials (not incredibly common)
45 - Most major 3-lane arterials
50 - Some minor rural highways; some major arterials (e.g. McCarran Blvd in Reno/Sparks)
55 - Many rural state highways
60 - Some rural highways (especially in mountainous/curvy areas)
65 - Urban freeways; some rural highways
70 - Rural US highways and rural Interstates
75 - Rural Interstates only
80 - **Legal maximum - not yet posted (to my knowledge)**
Lots of rural state highways with 70 limits, at least in the northern half of the state.
Quote from: delstein on August 01, 2016, 11:26:35 PM
I can think of specific 20 (mostly school zones), 25 and 35-70 zones in Ohio, but no 30 zone comes to mind. I've definitely seen it posted, though.
I can't think of any 30 zones in Ohio either. And I'm not sure I've seen one.
I have very rarely seen 70 km/h posted.
Yes, Arizona doesn't have any 60s or 70s. I personally think several Phoenix area freeways can easily be raised to 70, and the southern portion of I-17 I think can handle 60.
Also, there are no non-Interstate highways in Arizona posted higher than 65.
Quote from: kphoger on August 09, 2016, 12:53:11 PM
I have very rarely seen 70 km/h posted.
It's a very common speed limit in France. I can't think of any examples I've seen in Canada off-hand though, despite being pretty close to 45 mph which presumably was as common there pre-metrication as it remains in the U.S.
Quote from: lordsutch on August 09, 2016, 01:57:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 09, 2016, 12:53:11 PM
I have very rarely seen 70 km/h posted.
It's a very common speed limit in France. I can't think of any examples I've seen in Canada off-hand though, despite being pretty close to 45 mph which presumably was as common there pre-metrication as it remains in the U.S.
It's not as common as 60 or 80, but there are still a fair number of 70 zones. Some that I know of off-hand in Waterloo Region, Ontario:
Maple Grove Rd, Fountain St, and Speedsville Rd in Cambridge*
Benjamin Rd west of Westmount Rd in the Township of Woolwich: Google Street View (https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.4984965,-80.5735272,3a,30y,280.63h,89.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPe7uZp64xF3MJ7YdXMPIdg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
*I've posted some of these odd-looking 70 km/h speed limits signs here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11045.msg2159922#msg2159922 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11045.msg2159922#msg2159922)
Isn't 70 all over the place in Québec? It seems to be their default speed limit for urban freeways.
I've seen 70 in a few places in Ontario. Not common, but I have seen it.
The only 60 MPH sign I've seen in Maryland lately is I-83 northbound between the I-695 split and Shawan Road.
Quote from: cl94 on August 09, 2016, 08:30:12 PM
I've seen 70 in a few places in Ontario. Not common, but I have seen it.
Not common here either, but there is one right near my house. I don't think I've ever seen a 40 sign in Manitoba, it tends to jump from 30 to 50.
Quote from: epzik8 on August 09, 2016, 10:45:34 PM
The only 60 MPH sign I've seen in Maryland lately is I-83 northbound between the I-695 split and Shawan Road.
I believe most of the Intercounty Connector is posted at 60, although it's been a while since I've been on there.
Regarding 70 km/h, I'm pretty sure I've seen that on autoroutes in the Montreal area.
Outside of New York City, 25 is relatively rare in New York. Most developed areas and residential neighborhoods are 30. Notably, the Town of Clarence uses 25 for all subdivisions. In the Albany area, 20 might be more common than 25, as Round Lake, Fort Ann and certain neighborhoods in Troy and neighboring parts of Rensselaer County use it.
Quote from: lordsutch on August 09, 2016, 01:57:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 09, 2016, 12:53:11 PM
I have very rarely seen 70 km/h posted.
It's a very common speed limit in France. I can't think of any examples I've seen in Canada off-hand though, despite being pretty close to 45 mph which presumably was as common there pre-metrication as it remains in the U.S.
It is not hard to find in Spain. In fact I know one which has a speed camera just after the sign :sombrero:.
I have yet to see any 100 km/h (62 mph) or 120 km/h (75 mph) limits in France.
Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 09, 2016, 01:29:31 PM
Yes, Arizona doesn't have any 60s or 70s. I personally think several Phoenix area freeways can easily be raised to 70, and the southern portion of I-17 I think can handle 60.
Also, there are no non-Interstate highways in Arizona posted higher than 65.
Meanwhile, out here in the Great Lakes, 55 is the highest speed limit you'll see on any road that isn't an expressway! heh
Quote from: paulthemapguy on August 11, 2016, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 09, 2016, 01:29:31 PM
Yes, Arizona doesn't have any 60s or 70s. I personally think several Phoenix area freeways can easily be raised to 70, and the southern portion of I-17 I think can handle 60.
Also, there are no non-Interstate highways in Arizona posted higher than 65.
Meanwhile, out here in the Great Lakes, 55 is the highest speed limit you'll see on any road that isn't an expressway! heh
That's how it is in most of the east. Of course, New Brunswick allows 100 km/h (roughly 62) on 2 lane undivided.
I think Michigan has higher limits if 60+ on a couple of 2-lane roads.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on August 11, 2016, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 09, 2016, 01:29:31 PM
Yes, Arizona doesn't have any 60s or 70s. I personally think several Phoenix area freeways can easily be raised to 70, and the southern portion of I-17 I think can handle 60.
Also, there are no non-Interstate highways in Arizona posted higher than 65.
Meanwhile, out here in the Great Lakes, 55 is the highest speed limit you'll see on any road that isn't an expressway! heh
Minnesota has been steadily increasing their speed limits to 60 on rural 2 lane roads. Other than that you're right about 55 being the highest for rural highways that aren't freeway or expressway in the region.
Quote from: cl94 on August 11, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on August 11, 2016, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 09, 2016, 01:29:31 PM
Yes, Arizona doesn't have any 60s or 70s. I personally think several Phoenix area freeways can easily be raised to 70, and the southern portion of I-17 I think can handle 60.
Also, there are no non-Interstate highways in Arizona posted higher than 65.
Meanwhile, out here in the Great Lakes, 55 is the highest speed limit you'll see on any road that isn't an expressway! heh
That's how it is in most of the east. Of course, New Brunswick allows 100 km/h (roughly 62) on 2 lane undivided.
I think Michigan has higher limits if 60+ on a couple of 2-lane roads.
I believe NJ maxes out at 50 on 2-lane roads and 55 on non-freeway multi-lane roads (and 65 on freeways).
Edit: and then of course I find a counterexample 55 on a 2-lane road right after posting:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9499572,-74.4840236,3a,75y,114.91h,83.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc5xJn7LQqvC3Fl2wh9tBwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
All three of our cars' speedometers show the multiples of 10 mph (10, 20, 30, on up to 160). Unlike some older cars, 55 isn't highlighted except in the '88 RX-7. The metric portions show multiples of 20 km/h.
Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
Wow, do you think all cars have the 5s labeled on the speedometer but not the 0s? I'm not sure I've ever owned a car like that.
Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
It seems to me that steps of 5 are not common on any given road. For example, 2-lane roads in NJ usually go 25 to 40 to 50 or else 25 to 35 to 45. Freeways go from 45 to 55 to 65. Only the non-freeway divided highways and other multi-lane roads tend to have 45, 50, and 55 zones on the same road.
Quote from: bzakharin on August 11, 2016, 12:42:39 PM
It seems to me that steps of 5 are not common on any given road. For example, 2-lane roads in NJ usually go 25 to 40 to 50 or else 25 to 35 to 45. Freeways go from 45 to 55 to 65. Only the non-freeway divided highways and other multi-lane roads tend to have 45, 50, and 55 zones on the same road.
I believe this thread is about states that entirely avoid using a certain number, not about individual roads or highway types.
Quote from: 1 on August 01, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
60 in CT, RI, VT, NH, ME, and NY. (MA has a 60 section.)
70 in ME.
Does Connecticut even have 50? I distinctly remember US 7 off the freeway not even having 45, but I am sure that US 1 east of East Haven someplace gets higher than that.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on August 01, 2016, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 01, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
60 in CT, RI, VT, NH, ME, and NY. (MA has a 60 section.)
70 in ME.
I know NY had 60 MPH posted pre NMSL days because I've seen a couple of SPEED LIMIT 60 signs in the classic NYSDOT "Lehay" type font lying in scrap yards. I have no idea why New York doesn't post 60 MPH now, I've always thought there should be a 60 MPH advisory limit on NY 49 WB where the parallel road to the Thruway departs the ROW to the northwest.
The GSP had 60 from Toms River to the NY Thruway pre NMSL and it was only 65 from Toms River to Cape May. I have no idea if originally the section where the three intersections were was 65 at the time or not.
The NJ Turnpike according to my dad was only 65 south of Bordentown, but I distinctly remember as a kid being all 60 as the old VMS speed limit sign was a red neon 60 digit with a green back lit SPEED LIMIT sign above it.
I-78, I think was 60 and the part from I-287 to Drift Road in Watchung was only short lived at that as that section opened just a short time before the NMSL was placed in effect.
Quote from: cl94 on August 11, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
I think Michigan has higher limits if 60+ on a couple of 2-lane roads.
Do you know of any examples? Because I've been trying to think of any 60 limits in MI. Everything else from 25 to 70 is there, but I don't know about 60. (Other than construction zones where no workers are present.)
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on August 02, 2016, 06:29:10 PM
With their recent speed limit raises, Oregon should still be missing 60. Someone from that region could confirm.
For the past while (feels like it's been 10 years or so, but I could be way off), Oregon has had 60 zones on I-5 through Salem and Eugene (previously 55 I'm pretty sure). Other than those two places, I can think of any others in the state, as any state highway (except those changed legislatively recently, where were all to 65 or 70, not 60) max out at 55. So prior to that, I'm pretty sure there were no 60 zones.
QuoteImports for the US market often use the same scale for 3rd world units they'd use for SI units elsewhere (hence speedometers that exceed mechanical capabilities of the vehicle by somewhere between NASCAR and Indy car margins), then afterthought the fact the US still has to deal with real units with smaller digits inside.
That's not accurate at all. Get in a Japanese market Toyota, for instance, and you'll find a speedometer that goes up to 240 or 260 km/h, where the speedometer in a new US market Corolla only goes up to 140. Speedometers since the repeal of the 85 MPH mandate are usually designed to have a normalish freeway driving speed somewhere in the middle - in the US that is somewhere between 60 and 70 and in the rest of the world it is somewhere between 100-120.
I can't name a single car that is sold with the same gauge cluster in US and metric markets. Even the newest Corvette - sold in the US with a 200 MPH speedometer, is sold in Europe with a 320 km/h speedometer. Please name one, if this is accurate.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 11, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 01, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
60 in CT, RI, VT, NH, ME, and NY. (MA has a 60 section.)
70 in ME.
Does Connecticut even have 50? I distinctly remember US 7 off the freeway not even having 45, but I am sure that US 1 east of East Haven someplace gets higher than that.
There's 50 MPH zones on:
US 6, US 44, CT 2, CT 4, CT 8, CT 20 and CT 354
Just to name a few.
Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
Wow, do you think all cars have the 5s labeled on the speedometer but not the 0s? I'm not sure I've ever owned a car like that.
Someone learned to drive in the 1980s or earlier.
Quote from: jbnv on August 12, 2016, 08:22:38 AM
Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
Wow, do you think all cars have the 5s labeled on the speedometer but not the 0s? I'm not sure I've ever owned a car like that.
Someone learned to drive in the 1980s or earlier.
Vehicles manufactured from 1979 to the mid 1980s had speedometers that highlighted the number 55 and could show no more than 85 MPH.
Quote from: cl94 on August 12, 2016, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: kkt on August 12, 2016, 10:31:02 AM
What? The difference is kilometers that the entire world except one country uses, and miles that the United States uses. I'm not sure either could be described as having their shit together.
UK uses miles and speed limitd are in MPH.
Okay, thanks. Know if the UK has any plans to change?
Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
... I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
I will be amazed if you were never in a car without a speedometer ending in 0'x. Even thru the horrible NMSL years of the 70's and 80's cars still were made with x0 speedometers.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 11, 2016, 01:47:27 PM
The GSP had 60 from Toms River to the NY Thruway pre NMSL and it was only 65 from Toms River to Cape May. I have no idea if originally the section where the three intersections were was 65 at the time or not.
The NJ Turnpike according to my dad was only 65 south of Bordentown, but I distinctly remember as a kid being all 60 as the old VMS speed limit sign was a red neon 60 digit with a green back lit SPEED LIMIT sign above it.
I-78, I think was 60 and the part from I-287 to Drift Road in Watchung was only short lived at that as that section opened just a short time before the NMSL was placed in effect.
I think the NJ Turnpike was 60 for its entire length, at least according to one book I read. I think I recall reading the ACX was 70, but never actually seen proof of that.
A furlong is 1/8 of a mile. Here in the US we give distances down the 1/4, but this just goes one step further in accuracy.
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2016, 09:47:48 AM
A furlong is 1/8 of a mile. Here in the US we give distances down the 1/4, but this just goes one step further in accuracy.
Generally speaking. There are exceptions though. https://goo.gl/maps/iDZhaoZqTm72
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 13, 2016, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2016, 09:47:48 AM
A furlong is 1/8 of a mile. Here in the US we give distances down the 1/4, but this just goes one step further in accuracy.
Generally speaking. There are exceptions though. https://goo.gl/maps/iDZhaoZqTm72
Now that's craziness...
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2016, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 13, 2016, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2016, 09:47:48 AM
A furlong is 1/8 of a mile. Here in the US we give distances down the 1/4, but this just goes one step further in accuracy.
Generally speaking. There are exceptions though. https://goo.gl/maps/iDZhaoZqTm72
Now that's craziness...
Here's a thread from last year with some other examples: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14690.0
Quote from: kkt on August 12, 2016, 01:53:36 PMKnow if the UK has any plans to change?
It was very unlikely before Brexit. Now, I'd say somewhere between slim and none.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 13, 2016, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2016, 09:47:48 AM
A furlong is 1/8 of a mile. Here in the US we give distances down the 1/4, but this just goes one step further in accuracy.
Generally speaking. There are exceptions though. https://goo.gl/maps/iDZhaoZqTm72
There used to be a sign on westbound I-66 advising that Exit 64 was 1/10 of a mile ahead. It's been replaced. It was attached to the Virginia Lane overpass and originally said 1/4 mile, but that was obviously incorrect and it was changed to 1/10 until new signs went up in 2012 as part of the I-495 HO/T lane project.
Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
Wow, do you think all cars have the 5s labeled on the speedometer but not the 0s? I'm not sure I've ever owned a car like that.
In the 80's every car my family owned had the 5's labeled instead of the 0's. I haven't seen a speedo with 5's on it since then, though.
Heck, my Mustang's are labeled in 20 mph segments. It's a real pita to find and maintain 25 or 35 mph without glancing at my gps to get my speed reading.
Back to the topic-I almost messed up and posted 40mph as a missing number here in NC and then got reminded that US-70 down in Havelock is posted at 40. That said, it seems to be very rare here.
I've lived in Wisconsin my whole life, and I haven't seen a 60 mph speed limit either, with the exception of advisory speeds on highway exit ramps.
Quote from: corco on August 11, 2016, 07:27:14 PMSpeedometers since the repeal of the 85 MPH mandate are usually designed to have a normalish freeway driving speed somewhere in the middle - in the US that is somewhere between 60 and 70 and in the rest of the world it is somewhere between 100-120.
I can't name a single car that is sold with the same gauge cluster in US and metric markets. Even the newest Corvette - sold in the US with a 200 MPH speedometer, is sold in Europe with a 320 km/h speedometer. Please name one, if this is accurate.
Using your listed Corvette example 200 mph x 1.6 km/miles = 320 km/h; so while the displays are indeed different, the actual calibrations are not.
Such wasn't the case during the
bad ol' 0-85 days. A US marketed vehicle had 0-85 (140 km/h) but its Canadian & Mexican counterparts had 0-180 or 190 (110 mph or 120 mph) speedometers.
Most of today's cars (US market), the speedometers have since gone the other extreme and are now calibrated up to 160 mph (most states in the US do
not have a posted 80-85 mph speed limit).
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I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
Wow, do you think all cars have the 5s labeled on the speedometer but not the 0s? I'm not sure I've ever owned a car like that.
Someone learned to drive in the 1980s or earlier.
Vehicles manufactured from 1979 to the mid 1980s had speedometers that highlighted the number 55 and could show no more than 85 MPH.
Slight correction to the above: in the US market, just about every vehicle (domestic & imported) from the 1980 model year to about the late 80s had the 5s labeled with the 55 highlighted in either a bolder text, different color (usually red) or boxed (many Fords used what I refer to as
TV 55).
0-85 mph speedometers first appeared on GM & Ford vehicles for the 1977 model year (although some early-production models still had the older 0-100 or 0-120 clusters); but such still had the 0s marked (with 85 either marked or left blank) through the 1979 model year. Chrysler, AMC (they were still around then) & the imports (likely forceably) switched to 0-85 for the 1980 model year (with the 5s marked).
Sorry to bump, but just to mention, New Mexico no longer has any 70 mph zones on its Interstates as far as I know; the only two Interstate sections that were 70 mph (I-25 from Tramway to US 550, and I-10 from Las Cruces to the Texas line) are now 75 mph. 70 mph speed limits are now only found on some rural arterials.
Quote from: Eth on August 01, 2016, 06:09:40 PM
I've never seen 60 in Georgia, outside of construction zones on normally-70-mph Interstates. I also can't recall any 50s off the top of my head; if they exist, they seem to be extremely rare.
A couple of other recent 60 mph sightings in Georgia (in addition to I-75 in Macon as I mentioned earlier): GA 49 between Fort Valley and Byron, and GA 96 in Reynolds - both are Fall Line "Freeway" segments, but are 4-lane expressways.
I haven't seen this on any of the other GRIP corridors, although GDOT does seem to be in he midst of a gradual bumping of limits upward or expanding 65 & 70 zones so maybe we'll see some more 60 zones too, particularly on older 4-lane sections built to lower standards (like US 41 south of Griffin and GA 300) that are posted at 55 now like the GA 49 FLF section.
There's also a new 50 section on US 129/GA 247 in Warner Robins, which used to be posted at 45, and much of Moody Road between Warner Robins & Perry is now posted at 50 too. Wouldn't surprise me if the Sardis Church extension in south Bibb also gets posted at 50 (or even 55) a few months after it opens, despite the plans showing 45 mph signs. I've also seen it posted on some county roads in Twiggs. So 50 is becoming relatively common, at least in middle Georgia.
Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
Wow, do you think all cars have the 5s labeled on the speedometer but not the 0s? I'm not sure I've ever owned a car like that.
You did if you had a car or truck built in the early-to-mid '80s.
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Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
Wow, do you think all cars have the 5s labeled on the speedometer but not the 0s? I'm not sure I've ever owned a car like that.
You did if you had a car or truck built in the early-to-mid '80s.
Even then, not all of them did. The Toyota Camry used the 0's, for example.
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Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
Wow, do you think all cars have the 5s labeled on the speedometer but not the 0s? I'm not sure I've ever owned a car like that.
You did if you had a car or truck built in the early-to-mid '80s.
Even then, not all of them did. The Toyota Camry used the 0's, for example.
My family used to own an '85 Corolla, and I used to own an '87 Corolla, and I can confirm that both of them had the 0s and not the 5s.
I don't see much 45 in MA. 60, of course is only on MA 3.
Quote from: myosh_tino on August 01, 2016, 06:32:56 PM
Just some notables in California...
45 - US 101/Golden Gate Bridge
50 - US 101 in San Francisco from I-280 to I-80
55 - Very common across California
60 - CA-58 on 2-lane segment in Hinkley (soon to replaced)
65 - Typical on urban freeways and rural expressways.
70 - Typical on rural freeways.
45 is almost the default for urban expressways
50 is used on the expressway portion of CASR-17
Most turns advised below 15MPH are just posted "Slow"
Looks like Arizona might now have its first 60 mph zone in many years. ADOT recently changed the speed limit on SR 238 to 60 mph. I wonder if there are other 60 mph zones in Arizona that I am unaware of.
I can't speak for Hawaii's other islands, but in my travels on Oahu last week, while 25 and 35 mph limits were plentiful, I don't think I ever saw any 30s or 40s. 45 seemed to be as high as it got on non-freeways (and then only in rural areas). 50 and 60, in addition to 55, could be found on the Interstates; I don't think I ever saw anything over 60 (I didn't drive any of H-3, so I can't rule out higher limits there).
75 mph is relatively rare in Utah, since most rural interstates are now 80. 75 is now used on rural interstates that couldn't get the bump to 80 because they had too much traffic or were too mountainous. 75 is currently used on exurban stretches of I-15 near Brigham City and Payson, I-80 west of Salt Lake City, and I-84 near Morgan, as well as some mountainous stretches of I-15 (and I think I-70 as well) in central Utah.
Quote from: Eth on May 25, 2018, 07:32:22 PM
I can't speak for Hawaii's other islands, but in my travels on Oahu last week, while 25 and 35 mph limits were plentiful, I don't think I ever saw any 30s or 40s. 45 seemed to be as high as it got on non-freeways (and then only in rural areas). 50 and 60, in addition to 55, could be found on the Interstates; I don't think I ever saw anything over 60 (I didn't drive any of H-3, so I can't rule out higher limits there).
60 is as high as it gets in Hawaii, and even that was the aftermath of a spectacularly-failed speed camera program, which created public support for raising freeway limits from 55. There is one non-freeway in Hawaii (part of HI 200 on the Big Island) with 60 mph limits.
Running through Illinois:
5: Parking garages
10: Private areas, parking garages
15: Parking lots
20: Normal residential streets, school zones
25: Downtowns, through residential streets
30: Rural speed trap roads, crowded arterials
35: Urban arterials
40: Urban arterials
45: Arterials with few stoplights or running through forest preserves
50: Newly built up areas that used to be 55
55: Middle of nowhere roads, urban freeways
60: Urban tollways
65: Freeways in between urban and rural, limited access non-interstates
70: Rural freeways and tollways
I've seen all multiples of 5 less than 75 used in at least one place in the state.
Michigan had no full time 60mph speed limits until M-55 through Wellston was bumped from 55 to 60 last year (M-55 east (to west of Cadillac) and west (to US-31) of Wellston is 65)
Delaware has (2) 60 MPH zones established January 2017. The first is on Route 1 between the Puncheon Run Connector (exit 97) and Trap Shooters Rd (unnumbered RIRO interchange). The second is the Puncheon Run Connector itself, which connects Route 1 to US-13 at the southern edge of Dover.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/878/28503063298_dd37ab86bb_o.png)
Sources:
- New speed limits for two Dover area roadways (http://www.wmdt.com/news/delaware/new-speed-limits-for-two-dover-roadways/245613024)
- Route 1, Puncheon Run Connector speed limits raised in Dover (http://www.doverpost.com/news/20170103/route-1-puncheon-run-connector-speed-limits-raised-in-dover)
- Speed limit to increase on Delaware highway (https://whyy.org/articles/speed-limit-to-increase-on-delaware-highway/)
50 mph and 60 mph are pretty much non existent in New York, although 50 seems to be popping up here and there. There's also a 60 mph advisory speed for the S curve on NY* 531.
Quote from: cl94 on August 09, 2016, 11:21:29 PM
Outside of New York City, 25 is relatively rare in New York... Notably, the Town of Clarence uses 25 for all subdivisions.
I know this is old, but it's not true now so I have reason to doubt it was true then. 30 mph is common in villages (and cities) but pretty much anything else suburban/residential is posted 25 mph. 20 mph is
much less common - I can't think of one 20 mph zone offhand - but 25 mph neighborhood streets are basically the standard in every suburb, not just Clarence.
*PLEASE, spell check, would you quit converting "NY" to "MY"? :banghead:
Quote from: GaryV on August 11, 2016, 04:46:26 PM
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I think Michigan has higher limits if 60+ on a couple of 2-lane roads.
Do you know of any examples? Because I've been trying to think of any 60 limits in MI. Everything else from 25 to 70 is there, but I don't know about 60. (Other than construction zones where no workers are present.)
I know this is old, too, but US 2 in the Upper Peninsula is posted 65 mph.
Which is great, by the way. NY 104 from Webster to Wolcott, among other super-twos in New York, would be excellent with a 65 mph limit.
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Quote from: GaryV on August 11, 2016, 04:46:26 PM
Quote from: cl94 on August 11, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
I think Michigan has higher limits if 60+ on a couple of 2-lane roads.
Do you know of any examples? Because I've been trying to think of any 60 limits in MI. Everything else from 25 to 70 is there, but I don't know about 60. (Other than construction zones where no workers are present.)
I know this is old, too, but US 2 in the Upper Peninsula is posted 65 mph.
Which is great, by the way. NY 104 from Webster to Wolcott, among other super-twos in New York, would be excellent with a 65 mph limit.
Michigan allowed for 65 mph just recently. I was glad to be able to drive 65 on US-2 (legally) when I was there in March. Not all the 2-lane highways up north are at 65 though. Some have too many hills or turns; others need engineering studies to be able to change where the no-passing zones are.
The change happened at the same time some Interstates and other freeways went up to 75 mph.
PA is "missing" 75 on several stretches of road that deserve it. :sombrero:
Though as mentioned earlier, PA's only missing speed limit of all standard limits 70 and below is 60 mph. Since non-freeways are never more than 55 in PA, it'd be easy to find one.
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Quote from: 8.Lug on August 11, 2016, 12:19:02 PM
I'm not really sure I understand this thread. Do you mean that you find it odd that states "skip" over numbers? Because I actually find it odd that states waste their time running through a whole scale of 5's when I see people vary more than 5mph just trying to maintain the same speed. I think 40, 50 and 60mph speed limits are pointless. It should just be 35, 45, 55, 65, etc - just like how your speedometer is labeled. No need for anything in between, just like how the metric world only uses the "aughts" with no 5's in-between.
Wow, do you think all cars have the 5s labeled on the speedometer but not the 0s? I'm not sure I've ever owned a car like that.
You did if you had a car or truck built in the early-to-mid '80s.
Even then, not all of them did. The Toyota Camry used the 0's, for example.
My family used to own an '85 Corolla, and I used to own an '87 Corolla, and I can confirm that both of them had the 0s and not the 5s.
Toyota's switching back to the listing of 0s (rather than 5s) occurred for the
1984 model year (earlier than most other manufacturers & I originally thought). Such coincided with their switching from 0-85 mph to 0-120 mph calibrations.
Quote from: webny99 on May 28, 2018, 11:14:54 PM
Quote from: GaryV on August 11, 2016, 04:46:26 PM
Quote from: cl94 on August 11, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
I think Michigan has higher limits if 60+ on a couple of 2-lane roads.
Do you know of any examples? Because I've been trying to think of any 60 limits in MI. Everything else from 25 to 70 is there, but I don't know about 60. (Other than construction zones where no workers are present.)
I know this is old, too, but US 2 in the Upper Peninsula is posted 65 mph.
Which is great, by the way. NY 104 from Webster to Wolcott, among other super-twos in New York, would be excellent with a 65 mph limit.
FINALLY!
Now if only Wisconsin would do the same for some of our rural state/US highways.
Quote from: Roadsguy on May 29, 2018, 08:54:54 AM
PA is "missing" 75 on several stretches of road that deserve it. :sombrero:
Though as mentioned earlier, PA's only missing speed limit of all standard limits 70 and below is 60 mph. Since non-freeways are never more than 55 in PA, it'd be easy to find one.
I saw a 60 in PA once... it wasn't a permanent one though, but rather a work zone speed limit on the 70 section of I-380.