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Try putting that on a street sign.
Quote from: Big John on June 25, 2021, 10:47:53 PM
Try putting that on a street sign.
It'll probably just be supplemental blades like these: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9512752,-93.128839,3a,15y,161.63h,94.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snvVOBcvGXmUZH619tnsGjA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Nobody's gonna use that new name
That's fine. No one will call it anything other than Lake Shore Drive though. Just like the Willis Tower is still the Sears Tower and Guaranteed Rate Field is still Comiskey Park.
Does anyone call the Circle Interchange by it's given name? I don't think they do.
I get why the City chose the new name but trying to replace Lake Shore Drive probably isn't the best application. Lake Shore Drive is pretty iconic and the best known roadway in the City. As stated above most people will probably use Lake Shore Drive just like most people still use the name "Sears Tower."
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 25, 2021, 11:51:57 PM
Does anyone call the Circle Interchange by it's given name? I don't think they do.
Nope, I still call it by the original name.
This is the dumbest thing I've seen in years. The mayor is also trying to prevent the Bears moving to the suburbs. I guess she didn't notice Soldier Field in on LSD. I doubt they care for the name change either.
Quote from: skluth on June 26, 2021, 02:10:56 AM
This is the dumbest thing I've seen in years. The mayor is also trying to prevent the Bears moving to the suburbs. I guess she didn't notice Soldier Field in on LSD. I doubt they care for the name change either.
Not surprising
Everyone will still call it the Lake Shore Drive. Just like how everyone still calls the Governor Thomas E. Dewey Thruway the New York Thruway, and how everyone still calls the Governor Mario M. Cuomo Bridge the Tappan Zee Bridge.
When I saw the thread title, I thought they were removing Lake Shore Drive from the name. An honorary name added on (as opposed to a replacement) isn't a big deal.
Didn't Congress Parkway also get renamed? Around a couple years ago maybe? To what, I do not know.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2021, 12:06:54 AM
I get why the City chose the new name but trying to replace Lake Shore Drive probably isn't the best application. Lake Shore Drive is pretty iconic and the best known roadway in the City. As stated above most people will probably use Lake Shore Drive just like most people still use the name "Sears Tower."
A few years ago, an Alderman's proposal to rename the Dan Ryan Expressway after Barack Obama was shouted down. Chicago residents seem pretty attached to Eisenhower, Kennedy, Bishop Ford, and Stevenson.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 26, 2021, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2021, 12:06:54 AM
I get why the City chose the new name but trying to replace Lake Shore Drive probably isn't the best application. Lake Shore Drive is pretty iconic and the best known roadway in the City. As stated above most people will probably use Lake Shore Drive just like most people still use the name "Sears Tower."
A few years ago, an Alderman's proposal to rename the Dan Ryan Expressway after Barack Obama was shouted down. Chicago residents seem pretty attached to Eisenhower, Kennedy, Bishop Ford, and Stevenson.
I'm not in favor of naming things after people who are still living. Obama should get something major named for him, but hopefully for him not for quite a while.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 26, 2021, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2021, 12:06:54 AM
I get why the City chose the new name but trying to replace Lake Shore Drive probably isn't the best application. Lake Shore Drive is pretty iconic and the best known roadway in the City. As stated above most people will probably use Lake Shore Drive just like most people still use the name "Sears Tower."
A few years ago, an Alderman's proposal to rename the Dan Ryan Expressway after Barack Obama was shouted down. Chicago residents seem pretty attached to Eisenhower, Kennedy, Bishop Ford, and Stevenson.
It's probably not "attached" as much as "we don't need to arbitrarily change that and can give Obama something else" .
There's also a general societal hangup when it comes to renaming things after people who are still alive, especially someone as relatively "young" as Obama who likely still has a few decades left. For some reason people don't like that either.
We are in the purge these day. Hey, I read something on line that Fort Hood in TX and Fort Rucker in AL are among many military installations picked to be renamed as well do to the events of this era.
Name changes are inevitable these days. However, like Sears Tower people generally get comfortable using names its hard to break em of the habit, however JFK Airport used to be Idlewild and people in NY adjusted, or at least eventually.
I am not from Chicago so I do not know the reaction of the people, here, but to me a name is just that. It's in the eye of the beholder. Just like many may call Mount McKinnley in Alaska Denali, to me I still see it as the former president as its been that way all my life to hear. Plus I do not use the name anyway in vocabulary as its not a typical subject in normal conversation.
Just like art, some may say a piece is garbage, while the rest say beauty. Names may be official on paper, but in our minds its what we see and feel.
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 26, 2021, 09:55:58 AM
Didn't Congress Parkway also get renamed? Around a couple years ago maybe? To what, I do not know.
Ida B Wells Drive - and it is on the new signs at the Circle
As far as the Circle is concerned, the VMSs use Jane Byrne instead of Circle for "minutes to" reports so that's sticking in the official roll.
I do like when two names are used to rename something though. Perhaps just put up signs along the side of the road with the new name and leave the overheads the way they are, or put in small upper case on top of Lake Shore Drive the new name.
The Bishop Ford Expressway in Chicago used to be the Calumet, and the renaming did stick. The Jane Byrne renaming for the Circle Interchange seems to have stuck. It is noted that these two were inanimate names that suddenly got a "personality".
The portion of I-55 named for Barack Obama (from Pontiac to I-294) is not sticking IMO, in part because the Stevenson is still named the Stevenson for 1-294 to the Dan Ryan junction, and continues to be colloquially used for the whole stretch in Chicagoland from I-80 on in. And downstate, very few pay attention to those "memorial" namings of interstate sections.
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 25, 2021, 11:51:04 PM
That's fine. No one will call it anything other than Lake Shore Drive though. Just like the Willis Tower is still the Sears Tower and Guaranteed Rate Field is still Comiskey Park.
Don't forget also the nickname "LSD" where some people confuse it with a drug and could you imagine a full name like that for a song? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZGMJWG4CT0
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 26, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
Don't forget also the nickname "LSD" where some people confuse it with a drug and could you imagine a full name like that for a song? ;)
Yeah, "Lysergic Acid Diethylamide 25 Drive" would be a clunky song title, or road name for that matter.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 26, 2021, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 26, 2021, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 26, 2021, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2021, 12:06:54 AM
I get why the City chose the new name but trying to replace Lake Shore Drive probably isn't the best application. Lake Shore Drive is pretty iconic and the best known roadway in the City. As stated above most people will probably use Lake Shore Drive just like most people still use the name "Sears Tower."
A few years ago, an Alderman's proposal to rename the Dan Ryan Expressway after Barack Obama was shouted down. Chicago residents seem pretty attached to Eisenhower, Kennedy, Bishop Ford, and Stevenson.
Thank God it was shot down too. There shouldn't be anything named after that stooge.
IMO nothing should be named after someone alive still. Most of all these days politicians have become to controversial and maybe even after one has died is to pick a place that has the majority of the people approving of the person's accomplishments. Like if SF or Oakland wants to name a road after Pelosi when she finally dies, so be it, but if my own hometown wants to rename something in memory of her, it would be a different ball game. Considering that she is not that well liked by many people I see each day, probably it would be safe to say that name would cause some talk.
You never know what may come out while the honoree is still alive. It can be embarrassing like when St Louis named their part of I-70 for Mark McGwire after his 70 home run season.
(https://cdnph.upi.com/pv/upi/204fbff7544fa662f202dd676d5cec95/SLP99092003.jpg)
Quote from: skluth on June 26, 2021, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 26, 2021, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 26, 2021, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 26, 2021, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2021, 12:06:54 AM
I get why the City chose the new name but trying to replace Lake Shore Drive probably isn't the best application. Lake Shore Drive is pretty iconic and the best known roadway in the City. As stated above most people will probably use Lake Shore Drive just like most people still use the name "Sears Tower."
A few years ago, an Alderman's proposal to rename the Dan Ryan Expressway after Barack Obama was shouted down. Chicago residents seem pretty attached to Eisenhower, Kennedy, Bishop Ford, and Stevenson.
Thank God it was shot down too. There shouldn't be anything named after that stooge.
IMO nothing should be named after someone alive still. Most of all these days politicians have become to controversial and maybe even after one has died is to pick a place that has the majority of the people approving of the person's accomplishments. Like if SF or Oakland wants to name a road after Pelosi when she finally dies, so be it, but if my own hometown wants to rename something in memory of her, it would be a different ball game. Considering that she is not that well liked by many people I see each day, probably it would be safe to say that name would cause some talk.
You never know what may come out while the honoree is still alive. It can be embarrassing like when St Louis named their part of I-70 for Mark McGwire after his 70 home run season.
(https://cdnph.upi.com/pv/upi/204fbff7544fa662f202dd676d5cec95/SLP99092003.jpg)
Stuff can come out after they die too.
As an aside, how poorly written is that story that it just jumps into talking about someone named "Meza" (4th paragraph) like I'm supposed to know how that is.
Until this year, Brussels had a tunnel named after Leopold II, the guy who chopped off the limbs of millions of Congolese.
If it had to be renamed I would have preferred Michael Jordan Drive.
Quote from: thspfc on June 26, 2021, 08:43:33 PM
If it had to be renamed I would have preferred Michael Jordan Drive.
Good idea, I also thought of "Golden Jet Drive" as a nod to Bobby Hull.
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Quote from: thspfc on June 26, 2021, 08:43:33 PM
If it had to be renamed I would have preferred Michael Jordan Drive.
Good idea, I also thought of "Golden Jet Drive" as a nod to Bobby Hull.
Naming it for Hull would have missed the point of why people were advocating for this change.
This is really a nothing burger.
When WBBM-AM traffic reports call out the route, I could care less if they call it Lake Shore Drive or the "DuSable".
Just like I-94 between the Dan Ryan and the Tri-State was before it was called the Bishop Ford.
They would simply say 94 from the Tri-State to the split, or the "Dan Ryan is X to the split".
If CDOT removes all the LSD signs and replaces them with DuSable signs, then they have a newer, bigger issue.
Addressing changes for billing, fire, water and sewer would all have to change.
So I am guessing this will be an "overlay" name (honorary) where they will add a second special colored street sign on the poles.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F35lqnh5xrfb51.png&f=1&nofb=1)
But yeah, no one's calling Lake Shore Drive anything other than Lake Shore Drive (or LSD). Also, I still call the Circle, the Circle.
I remember when the Calumet was renamed the Bishop Ford. This was pre-internet outrage years, but people were not happy. It stuck though. And I know plenty of Chicago people who no longer refer to the "Sears Tower."
This really isn't a true name change since it still has Lakeshore Drive.
Why do those in the modern day trying to honor people by renaming streets after them insist on including the full name of the person in the name? If they had renamed the street to just plain "DuSable Drive" then it would actually be more likely to stick and actually lead to more recognition of the man and his accomplishments. As it is now people are going to ignore the lengthy addition to the name and just call it Lake Shore Drive.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 28, 2021, 03:51:01 PM
Why do those in the modern day trying to honor people by renaming streets after them insist on including the full name of the person in the name? If they had renamed the street to just plain "DuSable Drive" then it would actually be more likely to stick and actually lead to more recognition of the man and his accomplishments. As it is now people are going to ignore the lengthy addition to the name and just call it Lake Shore Drive.
That's a great point. Why do you think we have several streets just called Lincoln, Washington, or Adams, and not "Abraham Lincoln Rd" or "George Washington Street"? (Not that those don't exist)
My theory is that it started with Martin Luther King Jr. We couldn't just have King Drive, since we've had a few of those already and there wouldn't be anything to distinguish it from an English king or someone else with the last name of King. So they had to put the full name down, and ever since, people just pull the entire name otherwise it wouldn't be unique or noteworthy enough.
I absolutely agree though.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 28, 2021, 03:51:01 PM
Why do those in the modern day trying to honor people by renaming streets after them insist on including the full name of the person in the name? If they had renamed the street to just plain "DuSable Drive" then it would actually be more likely to stick and actually lead to more recognition of the man and his accomplishments. As it is now people are going to ignore the lengthy addition to the name and just call it Lake Shore Drive.
Well it's all political at this point and who gets the Snowflake label in the political world. Sure I wish cooler heads prevail but we can't see that when the grandstanding is in progress. I know there's the Reagan Freeway in the San Fernando Valley area but locals simply call that the CA-118 freeway or the Simi Valley case and point.
In some parts of Chicago, they still argue if it is Pulaski or Crawford.
Quote from: bing101 on June 28, 2021, 04:15:28 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 28, 2021, 03:51:01 PM
Why do those in the modern day trying to honor people by renaming streets after them insist on including the full name of the person in the name? If they had renamed the street to just plain "DuSable Drive" then it would actually be more likely to stick and actually lead to more recognition of the man and his accomplishments. As it is now people are going to ignore the lengthy addition to the name and just call it Lake Shore Drive.
Well it's all political at this point and who gets the Snowflake label in the political world. Sure I wish cooler heads prevail but we can't see that when the grandstanding is in progress. I know there's the Reagan Freeway in the San Fernando Valley area but locals simply call that the CA-118 freeway or the Simi Valley case and point.
I don't think it has anything to do with current politics. We have been re-naming streets, roads, bridges, airports, etc. after people for generations as a means to honor their contributions to society.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on June 28, 2021, 03:51:01 PM
Why do those in the modern day trying to honor people by renaming streets after them insist on including the full name of the person in the name? If they had renamed the street to just plain "DuSable Drive" then it would actually be more likely to stick and actually lead to more recognition of the man and his accomplishments. As it is now people are going to ignore the lengthy addition to the name and just call it Lake Shore Drive.
Well it's all political at this point and who gets the Snowflake label in the political world. Sure I wish cooler heads prevail but we can't see that when the grandstanding is in progress. I know there's the Reagan Freeway in the San Fernando Valley area but locals simply call that the CA-118 freeway or the Simi Valley case and point.
I don't think it has anything to do with current politics. We have been re-naming streets, roads, bridges, airports, etc. after people for generations as a means to honor their contributions to society.
And people have been ignoring those new designations for almost as long. When I lived in St Louis, nobody called the Poplar St Bridge the Bernard Dickman Bridge. STL oldtimers still refer to Macy's as Famous-Barr and some still call Dillard's by some name that hasn't existed since the 80's (Stix-Fuller, I think). I think ignoring new names is even more common these days because stadiums and arenas get new names every few years.
I hope I'm not stepping on something in asking this, but what was wrong with the name Lake Shore Drive that necessitated a name change (or addition?) It doesn't seem as if Lake Shore Drive was an offensive name. Was there nothing else in the city that could be named for DuSable?
Quote from: skluth on June 28, 2021, 07:01:30 PM
And people have been ignoring those new designations for almost as long. When I lived in St Louis, nobody called the Poplar St Bridge the Bernard Dickman Bridge. STL oldtimers still refer to Macy's as Famous-Barr and some still call Dillard's by some name that hasn't existed since the 80's (Stix-Fuller, I think). I think ignoring new names is even more common these days because stadiums and arenas get new names every few years.
People in the STL still call I-64 "Highway Farty"
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Quote from: thspfc on June 26, 2021, 08:43:33 PM
If it had to be renamed I would have preferred Michael Jordan Drive.
Good idea, I also thought of "Golden Jet Drive" as a nod to Bobby Hull.
Naming it for Hull would have missed the point of why people were advocating for this change.
As for me, I'd come up with Mike Ditka Drive because it passes the same stadium where he roamed the Bears' sideline for years (Soldier Field).
How about Lake Shore Drive?
Quote from: SSOWorld on June 28, 2021, 07:46:06 PM
How about Lake Shore Drive?
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Quote from: thspfc on June 26, 2021, 08:43:33 PM
If it had to be renamed I would have preferred Michael Jordan Drive.
Good idea, I also thought of "Golden Jet Drive" as a nod to Bobby Hull.
Naming it for Hull would have missed the point of why people were advocating for this change.
As for me, I'd come up with Mike Ditka Drive because it passes the same stadium where he roamed the Bears' sideline for years (Soldier Field).
Yeah but Mike Ditka's also an asshole.
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 28, 2021, 07:10:39 PM
I hope I'm not stepping on something in asking this, but what was wrong with the name Lake Shore Drive that necessitated a name change (or addition?) It doesn't seem as if Lake Shore Drive was an offensive name. Was there nothing else in the city that could be named for DuSable?
There is already a park named after Mr DuSable. It resides just east of LSD on the north bank of the Chicago River. You can't reach it however as it is fenced in and is always "closed" because CDOT uses it as a continuously running staging zone for road construction equipment.
When the plot was so named is was just a grassy bluff with a few trees on it. Therefore no one cared.
That is why CDOT fences it in at their whim. No one cares.
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 28, 2021, 07:10:39 PM
I hope I'm not stepping on something in asking this, but what was wrong with the name Lake Shore Drive that necessitated a name change (or addition?) It doesn't seem as if Lake Shore Drive was an offensive name. Was there nothing else in the city that could be named for DuSable?
The Chicago area has a tradition of changing generic, non-offensive highway names into honorary names when the mood strikes.
Calumet Expressway > Bishop Ford Expressway
Circle Interchange > Jane Byrne Interchange
Congress Expressway > Eisenhower Expressway
Northwest Tollway > Jane Addams Tollway
East-West Tollway > Reagan Tollway
And Columbus Park is still Columbus Park, for now.
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 28, 2021, 07:10:39 PM
I hope I'm not stepping on something in asking this, but what was wrong with the name Lake Shore Drive that necessitated a name change (or addition?) It doesn't seem as if Lake Shore Drive was an offensive name. Was there nothing else in the city that could be named for DuSable?
There's plenty that could have been named after Jean Baptiste DuSable. We have a few numbered streets that have been renamed to honor people. 12th is Roosevelt Rd. 22nd is Cermak Rd. 39th is Pershing Rd. 55th is Garfield Blvd. 67th is Marquette Blvd. DuSable would have been perfect for 63rd St. 63rd is a main roadway and is not that far from the DuSable Museum.
The other one that I would rename in a hurry is Balbo Dr. The only reason he has a street named after him is because of his "flight" to Chicago from Rome in 1933.
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/11184.html
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 28, 2021, 08:43:54 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on June 28, 2021, 07:46:06 PM
How about Lake Shore Drive?
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"WHAT ABOUT DANKS?"
Locals who know the former Boers and Bernstein Show would get this.
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 29, 2021, 12:20:04 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 28, 2021, 07:10:39 PM
I hope I'm not stepping on something in asking this, but what was wrong with the name Lake Shore Drive that necessitated a name change (or addition?) It doesn't seem as if Lake Shore Drive was an offensive name. Was there nothing else in the city that could be named for DuSable?
The Chicago area has a tradition of changing generic, non-offensive highway names into honorary names when the mood strikes.
Calumet Expressway > Bishop Ford Expressway
Circle Interchange > Jane Byrne Interchange
Congress Expressway > Eisenhower Expressway
Northwest Tollway > Jane Addams Tollway
East-West Tollway > Reagan Tollway
And Columbus Park is still Columbus Park, for now.
You forgot the Stevenson was once called Southwest Expy.
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 29, 2021, 07:36:45 AM
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How about Lake Shore Drive?
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"WHAT ABOUT DANKS?"
Locals who know the former Boers and Bernstein Show would get this.
At its peak, the best sports radio around. Alas, none of it is very good right now.
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How about Lake Shore Drive?
the large-print edition of this thread, for 48-year-olds
"WHAT ABOUT DANKS?"
Locals who know the former Boers and Bernstein Show would get this.
At its peak, the best sports radio around. Alas, none of it is very good right now.
Sports radio has never been good. I've yet to hear a sports radio show where the hosts seemed to be any more qualified to talk about sports than me, and I'm nothing special. It's a bunch of loudmouths who yell at callers that don't agree with their opinions.
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Quote from: SSOWorld on June 28, 2021, 07:46:06 PM
How about Lake Shore Drive?
the large-print edition of this thread, for 48-year-olds
"WHAT ABOUT DANKS?"
Locals who know the former Boers and Bernstein Show would get this.
At its peak, the best sports radio around. Alas, none of it is very good right now.
So true. For what it's worth, I used to call in to the show for Who You Crappin with the name "The Blind Chauffeur". First time I used that moniker, i got the famous Terry Boer's laugh.
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Quote from: SSOWorld on June 28, 2021, 07:46:06 PM
How about Lake Shore Drive?
the large-print edition of this thread, for 48-year-olds
"WHAT ABOUT DANKS?"
Locals who know the former Boers and Bernstein Show would get this.
At its peak, the best sports radio around. Alas, none of it is very good right now.
So true. For what it's worth, I used to call in to the show for Who You Crappin with the name "The Blind Chauffeur". First time I used that moniker, i got the famous Terry Boer's laugh.
I vaguely remember the name!
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 29, 2021, 08:54:31 AM
Sports radio has never been good. I've yet to hear a sports radio show where the hosts seemed to be any more qualified to talk about sports than me, and I'm nothing special. It's a bunch of loudmouths who yell at callers that don't agree with their opinions.
Which was why B&B was very good at it's peak. They talked about way more than sports and didn't devote a lot of time to callers.
Quote from: SSOWorld on June 28, 2021, 07:46:06 PM
How about Lake Shore Drive?
This is a quality post.
Ask any New Yorker the last time they took the Joe DiMaggio Highway, Ed Koch Bridge, Hugh L Carey Tunnel, or Robert F Kennedy Bridge. Chances are they'll look at you askew until you mention the West Side Highway, Queensboro Bridge (or if you're really a New Yorker, the 59th Street Bridge), Brooklyn Battery Tunnel, or the Triboro Bridge.
It's just a name. it's not a big deal.
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 26, 2021, 09:55:58 AM
Didn't Congress Parkway also get renamed? Around a couple years ago maybe? To what, I do not know.
Yes. Ida Wells something
Quote from: storm2k on June 29, 2021, 03:13:36 PM
It's just a name. it's not a big deal.
It isn't a big deal, but the powers that be love to make it a big deal, which is annoying.
Enough of the font management, thanks.
FWIW, I did hear a traffic report this morning on WCPT that did refer to LSD as "DuSable Lake Shore Dr".
Better way to do it: Joe Delaney Memorial Highway by Kansas City: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vahe-gregorian-joe-delaney-memorial-highway-new-local-tribute-honors-late-kansas-city-chiefs-hero/ar-AALBowa?ocid=uxbndlbing
Lake Shore Drive, no one will call it anything else
should have just renamed the Riverwalk after him since the dude literally settled on the banks of the Chicago River.
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 30, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
FWIW, I did hear a traffic report this morning on WCPT that did refer to LSD as "DuSable Lake Shore Dr".
Ewwww...
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Quote from: ilpt4u on June 26, 2021, 09:55:58 AM
Didn't Congress Parkway also get renamed? Around a couple years ago maybe? To what, I do not know.
Yes. Ida Wells something
Im related to her and I didn't know this :crazy:.
Quote from: ET21 on June 30, 2021, 03:53:22 PM
Lake Shore Drive, no one will call it anything else
should have just renamed the Riverwalk after him since the dude literally settled on the banks of the Chicago River.
That was Lightfoot's idea; however, Alderman Moore was having none of it. Never mind that there's already a DuSable High School, DuSable Harbor (right next to Lake Shore Drive and Grant Park), DuSable Park (which has yet to be completed), DuSable Museum of African American History, and DuSable Bridge (on Michigan Avenue over the Chicago River). Renaming the Outer Drive was overkill. The funny thing is, DuSable himself was only in the area for a bit over a decade and left for St Charles, Missouri in 1800, before the establishment of Fort Dearborn.
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Quote from: ilpt4u on June 26, 2021, 09:55:58 AM
Didn't Congress Parkway also get renamed? Around a couple years ago maybe? To what, I do not know.
Yes. Ida Wells something
Im related to her and I didn't know this :crazy:.
Yes, Congress between the Old Post Office and Columbus Drive is now Ida B Wells Drive. West of there, Congress Parkway is still Congress Parkway. This does; however, lead to Wells crossing Wells in the southwest Loop. Compared to the attempt to rename Lake Shore Drive, this went through with few issues as I don't think many care about Congress (pun greatly intended). :sombrero:
The attempt to rename the Drive is popular with Alderman Moore and his allies, but most people don't like it, and I have a feeling it'll never really be used.
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 26, 2021, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 26, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
Don't forget also the nickname "LSD" where some people confuse it with a drug and could you imagine a full name like that for a song? ;)
Yeah, "Lysergic Acid Diethylamide 25 Drive" would be a clunky song title, or road name for that matter.
Sometimes when Molly and Lucy get together...
Quote from: storm2k on June 29, 2021, 03:13:36 PM
Ask any New Yorker the last time they took the Joe DiMaggio Highway, Ed Koch Bridge, Hugh L Carey Tunnel, or Robert F Kennedy Bridge. Chances are they'll look at you askew until you mention the West Side Highway, Queensboro Bridge (or if you're really a New Yorker, the 59th Street Bridge), Brooklyn Battery Tunnel, or the Triboro Bridge.
No one would ever write a song about the Ed Koch Queensboro Bridge.
Quote from: Finrod on July 05, 2021, 01:04:28 AM
Quote from: storm2k on June 29, 2021, 03:13:36 PM
Ask any New Yorker the last time they took the Joe DiMaggio Highway, Ed Koch Bridge, Hugh L Carey Tunnel, or Robert F Kennedy Bridge. Chances are they'll look at you askew until you mention the West Side Highway, Queensboro Bridge (or if you're really a New Yorker, the 59th Street Bridge), Brooklyn Battery Tunnel, or the Triboro Bridge.
No one would ever write a song about the Ed Koch Queensboro Bridge.
I see what you did there.
Is I-57 named for someone?
Is that the only Chicago area expressway that does not have a name independent of its number?
Quote from: mrsman on July 26, 2021, 11:57:25 AM
Is I-57 named for someone?
Is that the only Chicago area expressway that does not have a name independent of its number?
No it is not, and yes that is correct.
Quote from: mrsman on July 26, 2021, 11:57:25 AM
Is I-57 named for someone?
Is that the only Chicago area expressway that does not have a name independent of its number?
Partially. Technically, it's the West Leg Dan Ryan Expressway.
80 is still available sort of I have not heard the Moline expressway.
The Tri State still has an original name too. The naming thing has gone nuts all over the state. .It's no big deal. I do notice the traffic reporters use the new names the New Yorkers on WPIX and newsradio 88 dont.
Quote from: 3467 on July 26, 2021, 04:49:33 PM
80 is still available sort of I have not heard the Moline expressway.
About 3 miles of I-80 is the Robert Kingery, from the 94 junction to the IN state line.
I recall seeing Moline on part West of 57.
It was a thread on AS Roads from a defunct link called cook expressways It was post 5 on Nov 32 2016 on 57 in Chicago by Rick Powell.
Quote from: 3467 on July 26, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
It was a thread on AS Roads from a defunct link called cook expressways It was post 5 on Nov 32 2016 on 57 in Chicago by Rick Powell.
That's a bummer about the Cook Expressways site being dead. I looked up some information on it just 2 months ago for research. The guy who ran the site was Andrew Plummer, whose dad worked for the Cook County Highway Department and was a fountain of knowledge on the building of the Chicago expressway system.
Quote from: 3467 on July 26, 2021, 06:06:20 PM
I recall seeing Moline on part West of 57.
It is. The name has shown up on many Illinois maps in the past, but never seriously used.
I nominate renaming it the Mike Ditka Parkway.
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
I nominate renaming it the Mike Ditka Parkway.
No. Not after his numerous DUIs. Besides, we call him Da Coach.
Quote from: hobsini2 on July 28, 2021, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
I nominate renaming it the Mike Ditka Parkway.
No. Not after his numerous DUIs.
That does seem like a undesirable connection for a highway name to have.
Quote from: hobsini2 on July 28, 2021, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
I nominate renaming it the Mike Ditka Parkway.
No. Not after his numerous DUIs. Besides, we call him Da Coach.
Besides that, he's an asshole too.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 28, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on July 28, 2021, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
I nominate renaming it the Mike Ditka Parkway.
No. Not after his numerous DUIs. Besides, we call him Da Coach.
Besides that, he's an asshole too.
If that's the criterion, then we should probably rename all streets named after Andrew Jackson...
Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 28, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on July 28, 2021, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
I nominate renaming it the Mike Ditka Parkway.
No. Not after his numerous DUIs. Besides, we call him Da Coach.
Besides that, he's an asshole too.
If that's the criterion, then we should probably rename all streets named after Andrew Jackson...
And Lyndon Johnson and Ty Cobb
Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on July 28, 2021, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
I nominate renaming it the Mike Ditka Parkway.
No. Not after his numerous DUIs.
That does seem like a undesirable connection for a highway name to have.
Sort of like the Edward Kennedy Bridge.
Quote from: Brandon on July 28, 2021, 02:36:38 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on July 28, 2021, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
I nominate renaming it the Mike Ditka Parkway.
No. Not after his numerous DUIs.
That does seem like a undesirable connection for a highway name to have.
Sort of like the Edward Kennedy Bridge.
definitely
Quote from: Brandon on July 28, 2021, 02:36:38 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on July 28, 2021, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
I nominate renaming it the Mike Ditka Parkway.
No. Not after his numerous DUIs.
That does seem like a undesirable connection for a highway name to have.
Sort of like the Edward Kennedy Bridge.
Or the Dick Cheney Rifle
Maybe Chicago should rename all of the US 41 segments of E. Marquette Dr./S. South Shore Dr./E. 71st St to S. Lake Shore Dr. as a way of "filling the gap" between the original segment of the roadway, and the 2013 extension.
What about just "Dusable Lake Shore Drive" or drop "Lake Shore" and make it "Dusable Drive" or "Dusable Highway"
Quote from: Skye on August 15, 2021, 09:37:24 PM
What about just "Dusable Lake Shore Drive" or drop "Lake Shore" and make it "Dusable Drive" or "Dusable Highway"
Quote from: Skye on August 15, 2021, 09:37:24 PM
What about just "Dusable Lake Shore Drive" or drop "Lake Shore" and make it "Dusable Drive" or "Dusable Highway"
How 'bout...
Lake Shore Drive
Quote from: Skye on August 15, 2021, 09:37:24 PM
What about just "Dusable Lake Shore Drive" or drop "Lake Shore" and make it "Dusable Drive" or "Dusable Highway"
You obviously aren't from Chicago...
Just glad newbies to Chicago aren't calling it "the 41" :wow:
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 13, 2021, 08:28:25 PM
Just glad newbies to Chicago aren't calling it "the 41" :wow:
Newbies to Chicago? Who's moving into Chicago?
Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 14, 2021, 03:49:02 PM
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 13, 2021, 08:28:25 PM
Just glad newbies to Chicago aren't calling it "the 41" :wow:
Newbies to Chicago? Who's moving into Chicago?
Well, apparently, nearly 50K people in the last decade per the most recent census. That said, no one will call it anything other than Lake Shore Drive or "The Drive".
All over Lincoln Park/Lake View/River North/South Loop, etc. are yuppies from MW towns/suburbs living the 'city experience'. They watched 'friends' growing up and want to be like them. :popcorn:
The outer areas are where folks are leaving city.
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 14, 2021, 05:25:22 PM
All over Lincoln Park/Lake View/River North/South Loop, etc. are yuppies from MW towns/suburbs living the 'city experience'. They watched 'friends' growing up and want to be like them. :popcorn:
My 30 year old son lives in Lakeview. He didn't watch Friends growing up - it was a show more for the Gen X crowd. He lives there because he has a great job and enjoys the city experience. It is doubtful he will live there the rest of his life though, and that's OK.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 15, 2021, 08:52:57 AM
My 30 year old son lives in Lakeview. He didn't watch Friends growing up - it was a show more for the Gen X crowd. He lives there because he has a great job and enjoys the city experience. It is doubtful he will live there the rest of his life though, and that's OK.
I did an informal study of young people in our Chicago office. Most preferred to live in the city when they were single or attached with double income, no kids. About 90% of the city dwellers moved out of the city to the suburbs within a year or so of having children. I was not surprised by the trend but was by the high percentage.
Some retirees/empty nesters are also moving to lake front.
Quote from: Rick Powell on September 15, 2021, 12:44:48 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 15, 2021, 08:52:57 AM
My 30 year old son lives in Lakeview. He didn't watch Friends growing up - it was a show more for the Gen X crowd. He lives there because he has a great job and enjoys the city experience. It is doubtful he will live there the rest of his life though, and that's OK.
I did an informal study of young people in our Chicago office. Most preferred to live in the city when they were single or attached with double income, no kids. About 90% of the city dwellers moved out of the city to the suburbs within a year or so of having children. I was not surprised by the trend but was by the high percentage.
That's exactly what we intend to do in the spring, although our son will be four next year. We bought right before he was born, though, which kept us in our current townhouse much longer than we would have been able to stay in a condo.
There's nothing at all wrong with our house or our neighborhood (I'd happily send him to the local public school and we would have sent him to preschool last month were it not for COVID), but with both of us working full-time from home, we've almost outgrown our three-bedroom house. We also don't have a front yard or back yard, and a SFH in this neighborhood is way out of our price range.