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Title: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: Molandfreak on February 09, 2015, 09:05:17 PM
I'm not colorblind, but I'm wondering if colorblind users can see the purple text that is used by the moderators/admins to weed out rude behavior or explain the rules. It's pretty dark and seems very similar to the normal black text. Red gets the attention of users better, and I'm sure colorblind users can make out the difference. I'm skeptical that colorblind users can see the difference between this and black.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: 1 on February 09, 2015, 09:07:50 PM
/me still needs the /me command though
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 10, 2015, 02:14:15 AM
I think it was Alex that first used the purple and we all adapted to it when we moderate.  Maybe we could in the future add the bold tag to it and make it a little stronger, like so.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: kphoger on February 10, 2015, 01:07:55 PM
I just asked my coworker if she could tell the difference in the previous post.  She didn't believe me that "like so" was purple.  It looks like normal black text to her, except that it's also bold.  So your answer is no:  colorblind users likely would not be able to distinguish purple text from black text.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: Zeffy on February 10, 2015, 01:09:12 PM
The red the forum uses though hurts my eyes. What about this color?
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: 1 on February 10, 2015, 02:35:34 PM
How about a compromise? (The color is "#CC00CC", as you can see when attempting to quote me.)
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: NE2 on February 10, 2015, 03:00:10 PM
How about a compromise? (The color is "#C0C", as you can see when attempting to quote me.)
Compacted, you dic.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: kphoger on February 10, 2015, 04:41:03 PM
How about a compromise? (The color is "#CC00CC", as you can see when attempting to quote me.)

To my coworker's eyes, that color appears red, identical to the text in the OP.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: 1 on February 10, 2015, 04:53:53 PM
770077
880088
990099
AA00AA
BB00BB
CC00CC

Any optimal color?
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: kphoger on February 10, 2015, 05:40:39 PM
To my coworker's eyes:

770077 - Black

880088 - Black

990099 - Black

AA00AA - Black

BB00BB - Makes her angry because, depending on how close she is to the monitor or what angle, it either looks black or red

CC00CC - Red
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: US81 on February 10, 2015, 06:27:16 PM
There may be a mistake here in thinking of colorblindness as a homogenous entity. There are many kinds of colorblindness, red and red-green colorblindness being among the most common forms, but even within this group there are several variants of red and red-green colorblindness, some of whom purportedly see colors that those with normal vision do not. Magenta, turquoise and blue are supposed to be easiest to distinguish for the majority of individuals with color blindness (despite the existence of persons with yellow-blue colorblindness). As a side note, that fact that kphoger's coworker happens to be female is fascinating because far fewer females than males are affected; most types are X-linked recessive although some more rare variants are linked to a chromosome 7 mutation.

I can't begin to speak to any aspect of color-rendering on computer monitors and any relevant info therein, but I'm sure others on this forum can do so.

tl, dr: I think kphoger's coworker's experiences are relevant and worthy of discussion, I just want to interject the caution that not everyone (maybe no one) experiences colorblindness in the same way. So what's true for her may or may not be true for other colorblind users of the forum.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: vtk on February 10, 2015, 08:25:56 PM
As i understand it, teal should be distinct from black in the most common red green color blindness. Perhaps we should test this empirically with whatever color blind subjects are available.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: DaBigE on February 11, 2015, 01:06:48 AM
What about skipping the color altogether and putting the moderated text in italics with some kind of unique brackets on either end, like:

<<< moderated text >>>

or

{{ moderated text }}
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 11, 2015, 01:16:56 AM
What about skipping the color altogether and putting the moderated text in italics with some kind of unique brackets on either end, like:

<<< moderated text >>>

or

{{ moderated text }}

Here's a wild idea: type "Moderator's note:" before the text. 
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: jakeroot on February 11, 2015, 01:52:35 AM
What about skipping the color altogether and putting the moderated text in italics with some kind of unique brackets on either end, like:

<<< moderated text >>>

or

{{ moderated text }}

Here's a wild idea: type "Moderator's note:" before the text.

Meh, not obvious enough.

I prefer colored text, since it's more obviously a separate thought from the rest of the post when glazing around the page at high speed (e.g. scrolling). Wrapping the text on either side is a good substitute for color (as in DaBigE's post), but, IMHO, it's still not obvious enough.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: signalman on February 11, 2015, 03:09:14 AM
What about skipping the color altogether and putting the moderated text in italics with some kind of unique brackets on either end, like:

<<< moderated text >>>

or

{{ moderated text }}

Here's a wild idea: type "Moderator's note:" before the text. 
Here's an even crazier idea: Read the rules and follow said rules.  Then moderators won't need to use a different color to reiterate the guidelines.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: NE2 on February 11, 2015, 04:25:43 AM
In before a moderator tells Jardine that one of the rules says don't tell others to follow the rules.

In before a moderator tells me the same.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: Alex on February 11, 2015, 08:18:06 AM
I think it was Alex that first used the purple and we all adapted to it when we moderate.[/color].

Credit for that goes to Scott N.

Maybe we could in the future add the bold tag to it and make it a little stronger, like so.

If members stayed away from politics, religion, personal attacks and triple posting, there would be little need for purple.  :-P
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 11, 2015, 08:36:05 AM

What about skipping the color altogether and putting the moderated text in italics with some kind of unique brackets on either end, like:

<<< moderated text >>>

or

{{ moderated text }}

Here's a wild idea: type "Moderator's note:" before the text.

Meh, not obvious enough.

Bold these words then.  Use all caps.  If a heading with both of these is not obvious enough, then other people are over-formatting their posts.  If it needs to be more obvious than this treatment makes it, reading attention needs to improve.   
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: vtk on February 11, 2015, 09:56:13 AM
How about this:

<<Moderator's note: There is no spoon.>>

It stands out without shouting, yet doesn't rely entirely on color to set itself apart (which is an accessibility no-no).
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: kphoger on February 11, 2015, 03:11:10 PM
Well, I'm no good anymore. That coworker just got fired this morning.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 11, 2015, 03:47:03 PM
Problem solved!
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: hbelkins on February 11, 2015, 07:53:33 PM
How many colorblind people do we have here, anyway?
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: 1 on February 11, 2015, 08:01:20 PM
How many colorblind people do we have here, anyway?

One: (http://alpsroads.net/roads/ny/us_1/us1.jpg)
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 11, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
Has anyone looked into, you know, an established standard for colorblind-accessible text?
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: Scott5114 on February 12, 2015, 08:31:54 PM
The ideal solution to this would be to use a <span class="mod-note"> HTML tag around mod text, so that users could set their browser to make it whatever color they desire.

That being said, the choice of purple was somewhat arbitrary; I just picked it because I had seen it used that way on another forum and liked it. If it's decided that it has to be changed, though, it needs to be limited to one of the named HTML colors, because I doubt all of the moderators are going to want to memorize a hex triplet. Of the options presented above, I'm partial to teal for personal reasons, although I wonder how much contrast it would have with the light green post backgrounds. Red would be a poor choice for that reason, since red-green colorblindness is the most common form.

This may be a non-issue altogether, though. I can't think of many situations in which it would be unsafe to simply assume that a moderator's post is purple and act accordingly. It's more of a convenience to make clear in some situations that a moderator is, in fact, exercising their moderation authority.
Title: Re: Purple Text/Colorblind Users
Post by: tolbs17 on November 03, 2021, 04:26:11 AM
The purple text is more visible when you have dark mode on!

1st one is the Dark Reader extension on my PC and the 2nd one is dark mode on Samsung Internet.

(https://i.imgur.com/iUtNNgb.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/6ygTBLN.jpg)