Poll
Question:
What is the best route between Boston and New York?
Option 1: 95
votes: 6
Option 2: 90-84-91-95
votes: 12
Option 3: 90-84-15
votes: 23
Option 4: 90-84-684
votes: 8
Option 5: Other
votes: 11
There are many different options, but what is the best one?
90>84>684. From there, it varies
Bronx and most of Manhattan: Saw Mill Parkway.
Queens, LI, and lower east side of Manhattan: stay on 684 to The Hutch and take whichever bridge is appropriate.
Brooklyn could be either option depending on which part
Staten Island: Probably best to go Saw Mill>Thruway>Palisades>95 (NJTP) to Exit 13 and go in over the Goethals. Either spur is fine.
I like I-90 to I-84 to I-91 to the Wilbur Cross/Merritt Parkways.
Once you then get down to the vicinity of White Plains, the best route will vary depending on your ultimate destination within New York, the time of day, and whether any significant events are going on along a particular route (e.g., Mets or Yankees games).
I used I-95 all the way through. It wasn't bad, and it actually never occurred to me until years later that 91-84-90 is a bit faster.
I-90 to I-84 to I-91 to SR-15 then take the Hutch into NYC.
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 09:16:16 AM
I used I-95 all the way through. It wasn't bad, and it actually never occurred to me until years later that 91-84-90 is a bit faster.
I did that the very first time I ever drove from Boston to NYC and thought is this really the best way I mean I know I-95 goes between both cities but that doesn't mean it's the best route. It did get me some county clinching done in Rhode Island though to the point that I only have Newport County left in that state. I wasn't into clinching counties back then though either.
I usually take the Merritt/Wilbur Cross - I'll check traffic on both 15 & 95 prior to having to commit to one, but it rarely matters because if one is congested, the other probably is too :banghead:
On the south end I'll usually bypass the entire NYC area on 287, and on the north end I always opt for 84/90 since I'm often heading to Worcester rather than Boston.
Just for the heck of it I put in Portland, ME to Philly and they have you completely bypassing Boston and going through Worcester. So taking I-495 to I-290 to the Mass Pike to I-84 to I-91 to CT-15 to the Hutch then cutting over on the Cross County Parkway to the Thruway then following the Deegan to the Cross Bronx to the GW Bridge and following I-95 the rest of the way.
The one time I've been on Boston-NYC by road, we used 90-84-91-95. After that, since my final destination was in Midtown Manhattan, switched to 278 and FDR Drive.
Comedy gold thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12363) (warning: OP is banned, and for good reason)
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 12:47:20 AM
There are many different options, but what is the best one?
Depends on where in the respective areas the start/stop points are and traffic.
I've always favored CT 8 from 84 to 15/95. Only a couple of minutes longer than 15-91 and a nice change of pace that's never too busy.
Quote from: Alps on April 20, 2021, 12:42:00 PM
I've always favored CT 8 from 84 to 15/95. Only a couple of minutes longer than 15-91 and a nice change of pace that's never too busy.
Interesting.
However & at present, there's construction activity taking place at the I-84/CT 8 mixmaster interchange as part of a rehab project. One may have to take some detours while some of the interchange ramps are closed for reconstruction.
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
Is Amtrak Acela included in 'Other'? :awesomeface:
Quote from: kphoger on April 20, 2021, 02:19:17 PM
Is Amtrak Acela included in 'Other'? :awesomeface:
Only if we include BOS to LGA.
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
I typically prefer CT 15 largely because truck trarffic is elimitanted, but there is much less margin for error; if I was a local I might prefer I-95 because the on/off ramps actually have acceleration/deceleration lanes!
(Case in point: I once stopped at one of the Merritt service plazas while heading north, and had a rude awakening upon leaving the plaza and discovering that this (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2192411,-73.2555996,3a,75y,326.83h,79.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWWGEGaSyFuiclqpCRgSMxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) was the onramp. To be fair, most of the other plazas at least have
some acceleration room.)
Biggest problem with taking the Merritt is often the Hutch is backed up from volume between the I-287/I-684 interchange down to the Cross County. South of there its 6-lanes to the Bronx line, so usually not too bad. NYC is a big place, so your final destination affects your route in Westchester. If you are going to Manhattan, you really don't want to take the Hutch, better to head west and avoid the dreaded Cross Bronx.
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
Depends on when you leave. Check traffic. If both are free flowing, I prefer I-95 because the one extra lane makes it much easier to get around people. CT 15 has a case of "85 in the left lane, 45 in the right" going on.
With no traffic, Google actually suggests 84-91-15-8-95. Interesting.
The old New Haven Railroad and New York Connecting Railroad.
Quote from: NE2 on April 21, 2021, 01:41:13 PM
The old New Haven Railroad and New York Connecting Railroad.
The Acela maybe if we are talking about public transit.
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
Quote from: 1 on April 21, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
We have a winner. However just a warning, you won't see the empire state building or central park if you take this route.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 21, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
We have a winner. However just a warning, you won't see the empire state building or central park if you take this route.
You can't see Central Park from I-95 either, can you? And is the view of Empire State from it all that great?
Quote from: kphoger on April 21, 2021, 02:13:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 21, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
We have a winner. However just a warning, you won't see the empire state building or central park if you take this route.
You can't see Central Park from I-95 either, can you? And is the view of Empire State from it all that great?
I guess I should have said skyscrapers.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 12:47:20 AM
There are many different options, but what is the best one?
Depends on where in the respective areas the start/stop points are and traffic.
Seconded. I've done all of those routes; I don't think any of them are the best, just some are least worst given traffic in CT/NY, time of day, etc. My default is 90-84-91-95, though, so that's what I voted.
Quote from: 1 on April 21, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
First time I went to Boston I remember entering Massachusetts and then thinking I'm in Boston already seemed like it took an hour and a half or so.
Quote from: 1 on April 21, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
Yet another reason why upstate NY > downstate NY :-P
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 21, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
Yet another reason why upstate NY > downstate NY :-P
closer to boston is not a positive
Quote from: Alps on April 21, 2021, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 21, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
Yet another reason why upstate NY > downstate NY :-P
closer to boston is not a positive
Boston's a great town.
Quote from: Alps on April 21, 2021, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 21, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
Yet another reason why upstate NY > downstate NY :-P
closer to boston is not a positive
:pan: Boston is better than NYC
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 09:33:52 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 21, 2021, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 21, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
Yet another reason why upstate NY > downstate NY :-P
closer to boston is not a positive
:pan: Boston is better than NYC
Eh, I like both.
They are different, I prefer Boston but NYC is better at some things.
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:24:12 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 21, 2021, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 21, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
I-90 the whole way. Takes barely more than 2 hours.
Yet another reason why upstate NY > downstate NY :-P
closer to boston is not a positive
Boston's a great town.
Ha, how did I know this was coming?
I've been to MA, but not Boston. It's near the top of my bucket list so hopefully I'll be able to assess its greatness for myself someday soon.
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 09:36:06 PM
I've been to MA, but not Boston. It's near the top of my bucket list so hopefully I'll be able to assess its greatness for myself someday soon.
Make sure to stop in scenic Worcester on the way :D
For Boston vs NYC, I prefer NYC a bit more, though both cities are miles better than where I am.
I have to vote for I-95 to I-91 to I-84 to the Mass Pike, but if traffic is bottled up in Stamford, as it seems to be half the time, obviously the Merritt is the better choice up to 91. The Merritt is honestly a beautiful road.
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
No, 90/5/10/95.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
No, 90/5/10/95.
That almost works (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Boston,+MA/Yosts,+New+York+12068/Canajoharie,+NY/Stamford,+NY/Delhi,+NY/Deposit,+NY/@42.0702239,-74.3288659,8z/data=!4m38!4m37!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e3652d0d3d311b:0x787cbf240162e8a0!2m2!1d-71.0588801!2d42.3600825!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de90feabba8f63:0xe1abdcd5ae19af1a!2m2!1d-74.4581926!2d42.9117401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de97f5663a19b5:0xb9264cd67823098!2m2!1d-74.5718073!2d42.9056288!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc6af10a63a4b7:0x6fc0e389df9c94c0!2m2!1d-74.614318!2d42.4073024!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc78e4770e2e55:0xff724540188be745!2m2!1d-74.9159946!2d42.2781401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89db121636b095eb:0x8831b5a6c812e9f7!2m2!1d-75.4276769!2d42.0600834!3e0!5m1!1e1), but unfortunately NY 10 ends in Deposit and doesn't make it to I-95. You'd have to take NY 17 and I-87 to get to I-95.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
No, 90/94/90/5/80/101/5/8/10/75/275/75/595/95.
ftfy
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 10:00:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
No, 90/5/10/95.
That almost works (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Boston,+MA/Yosts,+New+York+12068/Canajoharie,+NY/Stamford,+NY/Delhi,+NY/Deposit,+NY/@42.0702239,-74.3288659,8z/data=!4m38!4m37!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e3652d0d3d311b:0x787cbf240162e8a0!2m2!1d-71.0588801!2d42.3600825!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de90feabba8f63:0xe1abdcd5ae19af1a!2m2!1d-74.4581926!2d42.9117401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de97f5663a19b5:0xb9264cd67823098!2m2!1d-74.5718073!2d42.9056288!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc6af10a63a4b7:0x6fc0e389df9c94c0!2m2!1d-74.614318!2d42.4073024!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc78e4770e2e55:0xff724540188be745!2m2!1d-74.9159946!2d42.2781401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89db121636b095eb:0x8831b5a6c812e9f7!2m2!1d-75.4276769!2d42.0600834!3e0!5m1!1e1), but unfortunately NY 10 ends in Deposit and doesn't make it to I-95. You'd have to take NY 17 and I-87 to get to I-95.
I meant interstates duh
I-93>I-95>NB 95>NB 2>A-85/QC 185>A-20>A-55>A-10>A-15>I-87>I-90>I-88>I-81>I-84>I-684>I-287>I-95
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 10:20:04 PM
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
No, 90/5/10/95.
That almost works (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Boston,+MA/Yosts,+New+York+12068/Canajoharie,+NY/Stamford,+NY/Delhi,+NY/Deposit,+NY/@42.0702239,-74.3288659,8z/data=!4m38!4m37!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e3652d0d3d311b:0x787cbf240162e8a0!2m2!1d-71.0588801!2d42.3600825!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de90feabba8f63:0xe1abdcd5ae19af1a!2m2!1d-74.4581926!2d42.9117401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de97f5663a19b5:0xb9264cd67823098!2m2!1d-74.5718073!2d42.9056288!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc6af10a63a4b7:0x6fc0e389df9c94c0!2m2!1d-74.614318!2d42.4073024!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc78e4770e2e55:0xff724540188be745!2m2!1d-74.9159946!2d42.2781401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89db121636b095eb:0x8831b5a6c812e9f7!2m2!1d-75.4276769!2d42.0600834!3e0!5m1!1e1), but unfortunately NY 10 ends in Deposit and doesn't make it to I-95. You'd have to take NY 17 and I-87 to get to I-95.
I meant interstates duh
(https://imgur.com/Zpj6gqN.jpg)
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 10:56:38 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 10:00:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
No, 90/5/10/95.
That almost works (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Boston,+MA/Yosts,+New+York+12068/Canajoharie,+NY/Stamford,+NY/Delhi,+NY/Deposit,+NY/@42.0702239,-74.3288659,8z/data=!4m38!4m37!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e3652d0d3d311b:0x787cbf240162e8a0!2m2!1d-71.0588801!2d42.3600825!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de90feabba8f63:0xe1abdcd5ae19af1a!2m2!1d-74.4581926!2d42.9117401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de97f5663a19b5:0xb9264cd67823098!2m2!1d-74.5718073!2d42.9056288!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc6af10a63a4b7:0x6fc0e389df9c94c0!2m2!1d-74.614318!2d42.4073024!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc78e4770e2e55:0xff724540188be745!2m2!1d-74.9159946!2d42.2781401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89db121636b095eb:0x8831b5a6c812e9f7!2m2!1d-75.4276769!2d42.0600834!3e0!5m1!1e1), but unfortunately NY 10 ends in Deposit and doesn't make it to I-95. You'd have to take NY 17 and I-87 to get to I-95.
I meant interstates duh
(https://imgur.com/Zpj6gqN.jpg)
I got the joke lol I just posted that anyway
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 10:57:43 PM
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[No, 90/5/10/95.
That almost works, but unfortunately NY 10 ends in Deposit and doesn't make it to I-95. You'd have to take NY 17 and I-87 to get to I-95.
I meant interstates duh
I got the joke lol I just posted that anyway
There is a shorter one that works: I-90 to US 5. Backtrack to Northampton to MA 10, then follow MA/CT 10 to I-95.
Usually from Maine to NYC (or NJ) for me:
- If I'm driving, I'll usually take (starting from Worcester) I-90 / I-84 / I-91 / CT 15. Once at the NY state line, the road I choose depends on where my final destination is and traffic conditions, though I've only been to/through NYC 4 times as of April 2021.
- Next time I go around the NYC area (or pass by), I want to try in CT, I-84 / CT 8 / CT 15 but not sure if that is a good route due to I-84 / CT 8 interchange work.
- If I'm travelling with the basketball team via bus (last two times was to NJIT and Stony Brook), they usually continue on I-91 SB until the I-95 interchange and follow I-95 to the NY border, since commercial vehicles are prohibited on the Wilbur/Merritt Pkwys. The buses that do go through NYC, avoid the Cross Bronx Expwy and get off at I-287 to I-87 South to merge back onto I-95 towards the GWB to NJ (or wherever they need to go in NYC).
- On our last NJIT trip (2021/01/10), our bus for the return trip used I-95/I-395 through Connecticut. The bus driver claimed that was faster than going through Hartford... though I'm probably guessing he needed a rest stop along the way as we stopped at a rest area on the CT Tpke after the I-91 interchange.
I-95 ->Cross Westchester Expwy (I-287) -> Palisades Pkwy -> GWB -> West Side Highway
Only downside is you have to use surface streets at the end of the Palisades to reach the GWB.
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[No, 90/5/10/95.
That almost works, but unfortunately NY 10 ends in Deposit and doesn't make it to I-95. You'd have to take NY 17 and I-87 to get to I-95.
I meant interstates duh
I got the joke lol I just posted that anyway
There is a shorter one that works: I-90 to US 5. Backtrack to Northampton to MA 10, then follow MA/CT 10 to I-95.
Wow, you are correct! Nicely done.
This is a fun one, but it takes a long time
I-95-long island ferry-NY 25-I-495
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
Oh, the simple route!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 10:00:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
No, 90/5/10/95.
That almost works (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Boston,+MA/Yosts,+New+York+12068/Canajoharie,+NY/Stamford,+NY/Delhi,+NY/Deposit,+NY/@42.0702239,-74.3288659,8z/data=!4m38!4m37!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e3652d0d3d311b:0x787cbf240162e8a0!2m2!1d-71.0588801!2d42.3600825!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de90feabba8f63:0xe1abdcd5ae19af1a!2m2!1d-74.4581926!2d42.9117401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de97f5663a19b5:0xb9264cd67823098!2m2!1d-74.5718073!2d42.9056288!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc6af10a63a4b7:0x6fc0e389df9c94c0!2m2!1d-74.614318!2d42.4073024!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc78e4770e2e55:0xff724540188be745!2m2!1d-74.9159946!2d42.2781401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89db121636b095eb:0x8831b5a6c812e9f7!2m2!1d-75.4276769!2d42.0600834!3e0!5m1!1e1), but unfortunately NY 10 ends in Deposit and doesn't make it to I-95. You'd have to take NY 17 and I-87 to get to I-95.
I meant interstates duh
Still doesn't work, because 90 has a gap.
/me ducks and runs.
I prefer doing this route
(https://i.imgur.com/NcQt42o.png?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/JWpPMTS.png?1)
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 22, 2021, 08:50:12 AM
I-95 ->Cross Westchester Expwy (I-287) -> Palisades Pkwy -> GWB -> West Side Highway
Only downside is you have to use surface streets at the end of the Palisades to reach the GWB.
Only if you don't have E-ZPass. Still, that's a rather expensive detour!
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 22, 2021, 01:17:57 PM
I prefer doing this route
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How are you getting to the airports from downtown on either end?
For BOS, how about: Green line to Park St -> Red line to Downtown Crossing -> Orange line to State -> Blue line to Airport Station -> Silver line SL3 to South Station -> Commuter Rail to Back Bay -> Amtrak Acela to South Station -> Silver line SL1 to Terminal A -> Free Massport shuttle to Terminal B -> moving walkway thru Logan parking garage to Terminal E
Quote from: kphoger on April 22, 2021, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
Oh, the simple route!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 21, 2021, 10:00:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
No, 90/5/10/95.
That almost works (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Boston,+MA/Yosts,+New+York+12068/Canajoharie,+NY/Stamford,+NY/Delhi,+NY/Deposit,+NY/@42.0702239,-74.3288659,8z/data=!4m38!4m37!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e3652d0d3d311b:0x787cbf240162e8a0!2m2!1d-71.0588801!2d42.3600825!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de90feabba8f63:0xe1abdcd5ae19af1a!2m2!1d-74.4581926!2d42.9117401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89de97f5663a19b5:0xb9264cd67823098!2m2!1d-74.5718073!2d42.9056288!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc6af10a63a4b7:0x6fc0e389df9c94c0!2m2!1d-74.614318!2d42.4073024!1m5!1m1!1s0x89dc78e4770e2e55:0xff724540188be745!2m2!1d-74.9159946!2d42.2781401!1m5!1m1!1s0x89db121636b095eb:0x8831b5a6c812e9f7!2m2!1d-75.4276769!2d42.0600834!3e0!5m1!1e1), but unfortunately NY 10 ends in Deposit and doesn't make it to I-95. You'd have to take NY 17 and I-87 to get to I-95.
I meant interstates duh
Still doesn't work, because 90 has a gap.
/me ducks and runs.
dzlsabe, is that you?
That's not what I meant.
Quote from: kphoger on April 22, 2021, 03:11:47 PM
That's not what I meant.
He's the one who thought I-90 had a gap in Chicago.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 03:10:34 PM
dzlsabe, is that you?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 03:14:25 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 22, 2021, 03:11:47 PM
That's not what I meant.
He's the one who thought I-90 had a gap in Chicago.
Did he? I don't remember that.
Anyway, so did about 34% of all roadgeeks at one point.
Quote from: kphoger on April 22, 2021, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 03:10:34 PM
dzlsabe, is that you?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 03:14:25 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 22, 2021, 03:11:47 PM
That's not what I meant.
He's the one who thought I-90 had a gap in Chicago.
Did he? I don't remember that.
Anyway, so did about 34% of all roadgeeks at one point.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18751.0
Wow, I had forgotten how that thread actually started.
Quote from: kphoger on April 22, 2021, 03:24:17 PM
Wow, I had forgotten how that thread actually started.
We really got off track here :-D
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
You're still paying a toll.
Quote from: Alps on April 22, 2021, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
You're still paying a toll.
Is there any way to get from Boston to NYC without paying a toll?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 06:29:56 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 22, 2021, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
You're still paying a toll.
Is there any way to get from Boston to NYC without paying a toll?
NH 3A only takes a few minutes longer.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on April 22, 2021, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 22, 2021, 01:17:57 PM
I prefer doing this route
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How are you getting to the airports from downtown on either end?
For BOS, how about: Green line to Park St -> Red line to Downtown Crossing -> Orange line to State -> Blue line to Airport Station -> Silver line SL3 to South Station -> Commuter Rail to Back Bay -> Amtrak Acela to South Station -> Silver line SL1 to Terminal A -> Free Massport shuttle to Terminal B -> moving walkway thru Logan parking garage to Terminal E
That works.
Here's my idea for LGA to downtown NYC (using the One WTC as "Downtown"):
- Q70 SBS to Roosevelt Ave
- 7 train to Woodside
- LIRR to Jamaica
- J train to Broadway Junction
- L train to Lorimer St
- G train to Court Square
- E train to 42nd St
- 42nd St Shuttle to Grand Central
- Metro North to 125th St
- 4 train to 161st St
- D train to 59th St
- 1 train to 42nd St
- R train to Cortlandt St
- Underground walkway to WTC complex.
This thread has outlived its usefulness.
When has that stopped us before?
(Heck, I've never even been to New York in my life.)
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 03:14:25 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 22, 2021, 03:11:47 PM
That's not what I meant.
He's the one who thought I-90 had a gap in Chicago.
Chicago did too. For a long while, the Chicago Skyway was posted "TO I-90" because they convinced themselves that FHWA didn't approve the designation.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 06:29:56 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 22, 2021, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 21, 2021, 09:40:07 PM
Best route, Boston to NYC:
I-93 North to I-89 North to NH/VT 9 West to VT 279/NY 915G to NY 7 West to NY 22 South to I-90 West to Taconic State Parkway South to Saw Mill River Parkway South to Henry Hudson Pkwy/NY 9A South.
You're still paying a toll.
Is there any way to get from Boston to NYC without paying a toll?
what? you could just take I-95, the only toll is NB on the New England Thruway.
No tolls is easy. I-93 > I-95 (as long as you're not in a big rig in RI) > US 7 > CT 15 > HRP > CCP > NY 100 > I-87 > I-95 > NY 9A
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 22, 2021, 11:44:39 PM
No tolls is easy. I-93 > I-95 (as long as you're not in a big rig in RI) > US 7 > CT 15 > HRP > CCP > NY 100 > I-87 > I-95 > NY 9A
You don't need to bypass 95 heading south, only north.
Quote from: Alps on April 23, 2021, 03:19:09 PM
You don't need to bypass 95 heading south, only north.
Friends don't let friends take the Cross Bronx....especially southbound.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on April 23, 2021, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 23, 2021, 03:19:09 PM
You don't need to bypass 95 heading south, only north.
Friends don't let friends take the Cross Bronx....especially southbound.
Per Beetlejuice, friends that brave the Cross Bronx are worthy of a toast.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on April 23, 2021, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 23, 2021, 03:19:09 PM
You don't need to bypass 95 heading south, only north.
Friends don't let friends take the Cross Bronx....especially southbound.
but you're already in the city by then!
I like 90-395-95.
It is an easier drive, but then i always schedule my journey to avoid being on I-95 west of New Haven during the rush hour.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on April 23, 2021, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 23, 2021, 03:19:09 PM
You don't need to bypass 95 heading south, only north.
Friends don't let friends take the Cross Bronx....especially southbound.
I drove the Cross Bronx exactly once in the early 1990s. Those signs that read "If you've broken down, do NOT get out of your vehicle" (or words to that effect) didn't exactly inspire confidence. Nor did the low hovering police helicopter blaring to someone who had ignored that advice "GET BACK IN YOUR CAR NOW!!!"
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
CT 15 isn't great either, as it's only 4 lanes.
Quote from: roadman on April 25, 2021, 06:04:11 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on April 23, 2021, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 23, 2021, 03:19:09 PM
You don't need to bypass 95 heading south, only north.
Friends don't let friends take the Cross Bronx....especially southbound.
I drove the Cross Bronx exactly once in the early 1990s. Those signs that read "If you've broken down, do NOT get out of your vehicle" (or words to that effect) didn't exactly inspire confidence. Nor did the low hovering police helicopter blaring to someone who had ignored that advice "GET BACK IN YOUR CAR NOW!!!"
If you leave your car the underworld will steal all of your car's parts and leave you with just a body and chassis on blocks. These pros can disassemble a car totally in five minutes or less and we're filmed on Channel 7 (Back in the Grimsby anchor days) to show how problematic stripping is become.
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
You kidding? 15 has tons of hills, only 2 lanes, sharper curves at the west end. People consistently fail to sustain their speeds on 15, so uphills are 55 mph and downhills are 85 mph. 95 is way better.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2021, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
CT 15 isn't great either, as it's only 4 lanes.
Yes, but with no trucks, fewer exits, and better vision.
Quote from: Alps on April 26, 2021, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
You kidding? 15 has tons of hills, only 2 lanes, sharper curves at the west end. People consistently fail to sustain their speeds on 15, so uphills are 55 mph and downhills are 85 mph. 95 is way better.
That's much better than having no shoulders WITH trucks and tons of exits and poor merges.
I can go faster on 15 then 95, and it is a lot more pleasing to the eye.
Quote from: bluecountry on April 28, 2021, 11:02:47 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2021, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
CT 15 isn't great either, as it's only 4 lanes.
Yes, but with no trucks, fewer exits, and better vision.
Quote from: Alps on April 26, 2021, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
You kidding? 15 has tons of hills, only 2 lanes, sharper curves at the west end. People consistently fail to sustain their speeds on 15, so uphills are 55 mph and downhills are 85 mph. 95 is way better.
That's much better than having no shoulders WITH trucks and tons of exits and poor merges.
I can go faster on 15 then 95, and it is a lot more pleasing to the eye.
95 has shoulders, you know. I can go faster on I-95 when both roads are free-flowing. If both roads are not free-flowing, I take whichever one has less delay.
Quote from: bluecountry on April 28, 2021, 11:02:47 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2021, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
CT 15 isn't great either, as it's only 4 lanes.
Yes, but with no trucks, fewer exits, and better vision.
Quote from: Alps on April 26, 2021, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
You kidding? 15 has tons of hills, only 2 lanes, sharper curves at the west end. People consistently fail to sustain their speeds on 15, so uphills are 55 mph and downhills are 85 mph. 95 is way better.
That's much better than having no shoulders WITH trucks and tons of exits and poor merges.
I can go faster on 15 then 95, and it is a lot more pleasing to the eye.
seems like you've never been on 95 in CT. Most of it has adequate shoulders not to mention much wider lanes than 15. Driving on 15 you feel claustrophobic and people hog the left lane. Traffic is pretty bad on both of them also imo
as for Boston to NYC
90-84-684-Saw Mill - Henry Hudson would be the best to get to Manhattan (albeit saw mill is not a full freeway but close enough)
I-95 has gotten a lot less claustrophobic in the past 10+ years as far as shoulders go. Median work and bridge replacement has yielded wide (close to if not full car length) inner and outer shoulders in many locations. Still tight is the east end of Norwalk where the grassy median remains (to be replaced in the next few years), the Yankee Doodle Bridge (current reconstruction project ongoing, but not sure if anything will be widened - I believe just a deck redo), and thru downtown Stamford.
I used to have to drive to Greenwich from Rocky Hill daily during the early 00's... most of the time we took the Merritt but it was stop and go from Bridgeport down to Stamford. The Merritt doesn't allow trucks which is a plus, but if there's an accident, there's no easy alternative, since no roads parallel the Merritt. At least with I-95 you have options (Rt 1 and others), but all roads intersecting the Merritt go north/south.
Quote from: TheDon102 on May 03, 2021, 02:34:25 PM
seems like you've never been on 95 in CT. Most of it has adequate shoulders not to mention much wider lanes than 15. Driving on 15 you feel claustrophobic and people hog the left lane.
In fairness, at least when traffic is heavy-but-flowing, the left-lane camping is more a reflection of how driving in the right lane is a bit challenging thanks to frequency of exits and the lack of acceleration/deceleration lanes, and traffic volumes making it difficult to change lanes to pass entering/exiting traffic.
Personally I prefer the Parkway to 95. I don't know that it's "better" as much as it being a bit more scenic, and the two-lane carriageways and lack of trucks limiting the chaos of the traffic, leading to a more-enjoyable-to-my-tastes drive (as long as I don't have to enter the Parkway from one of those ridiculously short ramps).
However, given the nature of traffic in Fairfield and Westchester Counties, my favorite route into NYC really depends on traffic.
Quote from: TheDon102 on May 03, 2021, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 28, 2021, 11:02:47 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2021, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
CT 15 isn't great either, as it's only 4 lanes.
Yes, but with no trucks, fewer exits, and better vision.
Quote from: Alps on April 26, 2021, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on April 26, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 20, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 20, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
On that note - and because I'm sure people will have opinions on this - which is better, CT 15 or I-95?
CT 15 is more scenic, I-95 is a higher quality road.
95 most definitely is not a higher quality road.
It sucks in CT, it was built pre interstate and is not to interstate standards.
I can go faster and smoother on 15, not to mention it is a lot more scenic.
You kidding? 15 has tons of hills, only 2 lanes, sharper curves at the west end. People consistently fail to sustain their speeds on 15, so uphills are 55 mph and downhills are 85 mph. 95 is way better.
That's much better than having no shoulders WITH trucks and tons of exits and poor merges.
I can go faster on 15 then 95, and it is a lot more pleasing to the eye.
seems like you've never been on 95 in CT. Most of it has adequate shoulders not to mention much wider lanes than 15. Driving on 15 you feel claustrophobic and people hog the left lane. Traffic is pretty bad on both of them also imo
as for Boston to NYC
90-84-684-Saw Mill - Henry Hudson would be the best to get to Manhattan (albeit saw mill is not a full freeway but close enough)
Im from CT originally, and done the drive many times.
No way 95 is better; until and unless they make it like they did in Bridgeport.
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on May 03, 2021, 07:27:14 PM
Quote from: TheDon102 on May 03, 2021, 02:34:25 PM
seems like you've never been on 95 in CT. Most of it has adequate shoulders not to mention much wider lanes than 15. Driving on 15 you feel claustrophobic and people hog the left lane.
In fairness, at least when traffic is heavy-but-flowing, the left-lane camping is more a reflection of how driving in the right lane is a bit challenging thanks to frequency of exits and the lack of acceleration/deceleration lanes, and traffic volumes making it difficult to change lanes to pass entering/exiting traffic.
Personally I prefer the Parkway to 95. I don't know that it's "better" as much as it being a bit more scenic, and the two-lane carriageways and lack of trucks limiting the chaos of the traffic, leading to a more-enjoyable-to-my-tastes drive (as long as I don't have to enter the Parkway from one of those ridiculously short ramps).
However, given the nature of traffic in Fairfield and Westchester Counties, my favorite route into NYC really depends on traffic.
No matter how you describe the practice of creeping in the left lane (hogging or camping), it is a cultural distinction between Boston drivers and New York drivers.
Boston drivers view the left lane as a high performance lane, and you need to maintain a high enough speed to earn a place among the elite. New Yorkers view the left lane as a birthright.
Witness the difference in traffic patterns between Route 128 around Boston and the Major Deegan Expressway in The Bronx.
In Massachusetts, if you set your cruise control at 65 (ten miles over the speed limit) and camp out in the left lane, you will have clear sailing ahead, a bunch of angry drivers bunched up in your rear view mirror, most of which will pass to your right and cut into the left lane at the earliest possible moment to communicate the need to maintain the culturally appropriate speed (somewhere in the high 70s).
In The Bronx, people cruise at 40 miles per hour in any lane they choose, and high speed drivers respond in engaging in a speedway slalom, moving across the three lanes to gain whatever space of empty pavement offers clear passage.
The cultures clash in Connecticut, with the New Yorkers constipating the left lane and the New Englanders looking to clear the blockage using aggressive techniques.
For the purpose of this discussion, the tunnel in New Haven is the boundary between New York and New England. Fairfield County is a New York suburb and is populated by too many Yankee fans to offer any claim to being a part of New England.
Quote from: paul02474 on June 19, 2021, 08:40:22 PM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on May 03, 2021, 07:27:14 PM
Quote from: TheDon102 on May 03, 2021, 02:34:25 PM
seems like you've never been on 95 in CT. Most of it has adequate shoulders not to mention much wider lanes than 15. Driving on 15 you feel claustrophobic and people hog the left lane.
In fairness, at least when traffic is heavy-but-flowing, the left-lane camping is more a reflection of how driving in the right lane is a bit challenging thanks to frequency of exits and the lack of acceleration/deceleration lanes, and traffic volumes making it difficult to change lanes to pass entering/exiting traffic.
Personally I prefer the Parkway to 95. I don't know that it's "better" as much as it being a bit more scenic, and the two-lane carriageways and lack of trucks limiting the chaos of the traffic, leading to a more-enjoyable-to-my-tastes drive (as long as I don't have to enter the Parkway from one of those ridiculously short ramps).
However, given the nature of traffic in Fairfield and Westchester Counties, my favorite route into NYC really depends on traffic.
No matter how you describe the practice of creeping in the left lane (hogging or camping), it is a cultural distinction between Boston drivers and New York drivers.
Boston drivers view the left lane as a high performance lane, and you need to maintain a high enough speed to earn a place among the elite. New Yorkers view the left lane as a birthright.
Witness the difference in traffic patterns between Route 128 around Boston and the Major Deegan Expressway in The Bronx.
In Massachusetts, if you set your cruise control at 65 (ten miles over the speed limit) and camp out in the left lane, you will have clear sailing ahead, a bunch of angry drivers bunched up in your rear view mirror, most of which will pass to your right and cut into the left lane at the earliest possible moment to communicate the need to maintain the culturally appropriate speed (somewhere in the high 70s).
In The Bronx, people cruise at 40 miles per hour in any lane they choose, and high speed drivers respond in engaging in a speedway slalom, moving across the three lanes to gain whatever space of empty pavement offers clear passage.
The cultures clash in Connecticut, with the New Yorkers constipating the left lane and the New Englanders looking to clear the blockage using aggressive techniques.
For the purpose of this discussion, the tunnel in New Haven is the boundary between New York and New England. Fairfield County is a New York suburb and is populated by too many Yankee fans to offer any claim to being a part of New England.
You amusingly have no idea what you're talking about. The Major Deegan is crowded because it has too many cars to fit nicely in 1-2 lanes. You're lucky it's even moving at 40. I've caught way more Massholes (and Pennholes - it appears to be specific to Commonwealths) left-lane camping than New Yorkers.
Neither MA nor NY has a major left-lane camping issue in terms of driving culture. Sure, it happens with someone only going five mph over the speed limit, but I find it tolerable.
OH has been infected on epidemic levels for years.
Quote from: Rothman on June 19, 2021, 10:54:21 PM
Neither MA nor NY has a major left-lane camping issue in terms of driving culture. Sure, it happens with someone only going five mph over the speed limit, but I find it tolerable.
OH has been infected on epidemic levels for years.
OH is keep left except to pass.
Quote from: Alps on June 20, 2021, 01:39:26 AM
Quote from: Rothman on June 19, 2021, 10:54:21 PM
Neither MA nor NY has a major left-lane camping issue in terms of driving culture. Sure, it happens with someone only going five mph over the speed limit, but I find it tolerable.
OH has been infected on epidemic levels for years.
OH is keep left except to pass.
And it is totally unenforced given how rampant the blocking is.
Quote from: Rothman on June 19, 2021, 10:54:21 PM
Neither MA nor NY has a major left-lane camping issue in terms of driving culture. Sure, it happens with someone only going five mph over the speed limit, but I find it tolerable.
OH has been infected on epidemic levels for years.
Does OH have a three lane exception?
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on June 21, 2021, 01:42:14 PM
Does OH have a three lane exception?
The Ohio Turnpike has
these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3559103,-82.2958054,3a,75y,237.75h,86.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMwZwa_I6h9sv607LcksEPw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1), which I guess is sort of like a three-lane exception... not a big fan of them myself as they seem to explicitly allow middle-lane camping.
Quote from: webny99 on June 21, 2021, 04:15:20 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on June 21, 2021, 01:42:14 PM
Does OH have a three lane exception?
The Ohio Turnpike has these signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3559103,-82.2958054,3a,75y,237.75h,86.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMwZwa_I6h9sv607LcksEPw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1), which I guess is sort of like a three-lane exception... not a big fan of them myself as they seem to explicitly allow middle-lane camping.
That's exactly what it is.
You are allowed to drive in the left lane as long as you are moving with the speed of traffic in said lane.
If you're driving below the speed limit, you must be in the right lane unless passing. Thus, driving at the speed limit in the center lane is not illegal. Passing on the right is also not illegal.
States such as MA and NJ do not have this, so the law is absolute. You are technically supposed to be in the right lane of a 3+ lane freeway at all times unless passing.
Most states post signs "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT". NJ posts "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS" due to have a law explicitly requiring lane discipline. Ohio drivers are pretty terrible though, its like they are magnetically locked in place on the road. The OHP ain't going to pull you over in New Jersey, so move it!
Connecticut, annoyingly, puts up "NO PASSING ON RIGHT" signs instead of "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS." This seems to be putting the onus on the wrong people entirely...
CT uses both... NO PASSING ON RIGHT and KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS. Neither are posted with any regularity, however. In the presently-ongoing CT 9 sign replacement project, new signs are going up that say "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT", something that used to only be found in areas where there are "slow vehicle lanes" (climbing lanes, truck lanes, etc). Whether or not "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" replaces the other two phrases remains to be seen.
Another sign that CT used to post was a large yellow sign, with lane markings, denoting PASSING LANE/TRAVEL LANE/SLOW VEHICLE LANE. These are being phased out as well.
You can also do 95 South to Exit 38 CT-15 Merritt Cross Parkways that way you avoid Orange, CT to NY Border I-95 traffic. Newark, NJ bound using that route is 95-15 Hutchinson Parkway then 95 again from Bronx, NY to Newark, NJ
90-84-91-15/Hutch is the better route simply due to the eternal parking lot from Bridgeport to Stamford. I'd rather deal with the bad driving and dangerous interchanges on 15 than sit through that.
Quote from: csw on February 06, 2022, 08:21:18 PM
90-84-91-15/Hutch is the better route simply due to the eternal parking lot from Bridgeport to Stamford. I'd rather deal with the bad driving and dangerous interchanges on 15 than sit through that.
Depends on timing. If the route's actually clear, which does in fact happen on weekends, I will do 91 to 95 for the change of scenery from 15. Or at least 15-Milford-95 instead of 15 the whole way. There's an advantage to having 3+ lanes on the entire route instead of only 2.
Why was this thread bumped?
Just use Waze. :D
Having driven both routes multiple times these are the differences:
84/90
-By far faster, there are a lot of long stretches' where people go like 90-95 and since you aren't driving through any cities, traffic tends to slow down less.
-much less scenic
-not many good places to stop for food/etc, you are driving more across a sparse populated area
95
-much more scenic, there are tons of bridges, major cities on the way, water ways, rivers, etc
-tons of places to stop to check out, eat, etc, so many things on the way
-slower, and unlike the above, since there are so many cities, even if you find yourself cruising fast, you quickly slow down, making the driving more stressful
-however if you are not in a rush and want to make more of a day of your trip, then just get from nyc to Boston or reverse, this route offer 1000% more then the 84/90.
Those are my thoughts.
Quote from: brothamon on August 10, 2022, 11:17:09 PM
Having driven both routes multiple times these are the differences:
84/90
-By far faster, there are a lot of long stretches' where people go like 90-95 and since you aren't driving through any cities, traffic tends to slow down less.
-much less scenic
-not many good places to stop for food/etc, you are driving more across a sparse populated area
95
-much more scenic, there are tons of bridges, major cities on the way, water ways, rivers, etc
-tons of places to stop to check out, eat, etc, so many things on the way
-slower, and unlike the above, since there are so many cities, even if you find yourself cruising fast, you quickly slow down, making the driving more stressful
-however if you are not in a rush and want to make more of a day of your trip, then just get from nyc to Boston or reverse, this route offer 1000% more then the 84/90.
Those are my thoughts.
Hartford isn't in a sparsley populated area.