This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5921989,-77.5725443,3a,45.6y,330.28h,97.28t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s5vljEmZMJaWEyHzA5QhBOg!2e0!5s20180701T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D5vljEmZMJaWEyHzA5QhBOg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D57.543076%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) sign here looks clumsy.
Does this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4669136,-77.2773998,3a,19.6y,171.85h,87.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srDU933_Utn_OyrKNeAu0qw!2e0!5s20180701T000000!7i13312!8i6656) sign tell you to slow down even when school is not in session? There are no flashers here. Compared to here (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5915134,-77.3804207,3a,21.4y,301.38h,92.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1st8488xt1KqNAHf50zO8voQ!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i13312!8i6656).
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 09:26:51 PM
Does this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4669136,-77.2773998,3a,19.6y,171.85h,87.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srDU933_Utn_OyrKNeAu0qw!2e0!5s20180701T000000!7i13312!8i6656) sign tell you to slow down even when school is not in session? There are no flashers here. Compared to here (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5915134,-77.3804207,3a,21.4y,301.38h,92.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1st8488xt1KqNAHf50zO8voQ!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i13312!8i6656).
There are times posted. While there is the problem that it won't be obvious when school days are, it's definitely not meant to be all the time.
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 09:26:51 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5921989,-77.5725443,3a,45.6y,330.28h,97.28t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s5vljEmZMJaWEyHzA5QhBOg!2e0!5s20180701T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D5vljEmZMJaWEyHzA5QhBOg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D57.543076%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) sign here looks clumsy.
Does this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4669136,-77.2773998,3a,19.6y,171.85h,87.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srDU933_Utn_OyrKNeAu0qw!2e0!5s20180701T000000!7i13312!8i6656) sign tell you to slow down even when school is not in session? There are no flashers here. Compared to here (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5915134,-77.3804207,3a,21.4y,301.38h,92.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1st8488xt1KqNAHf50zO8voQ!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i13312!8i6656).
The sign saying school days seems pretty clear you don't need to reduce speed when school isn't in session.
But Farmville Central, and Ayden Grifton, don't have the speed drop.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 16, 2021, 09:32:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 09:26:51 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5921989,-77.5725443,3a,45.6y,330.28h,97.28t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s5vljEmZMJaWEyHzA5QhBOg!2e0!5s20180701T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D5vljEmZMJaWEyHzA5QhBOg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D57.543076%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) sign here looks clumsy.
Does this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4669136,-77.2773998,3a,19.6y,171.85h,87.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srDU933_Utn_OyrKNeAu0qw!2e0!5s20180701T000000!7i13312!8i6656) sign tell you to slow down even when school is not in session? There are no flashers here. Compared to here (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5915134,-77.3804207,3a,21.4y,301.38h,92.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1st8488xt1KqNAHf50zO8voQ!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i13312!8i6656).
The sign saying school days seems pretty clear you don't need to reduce speed when school isn't in session.
Yes but if I'm from out of state I have no idea what the school year schedule is and what if summer school is using that particular school?
Does "When children are present" apply to non school times?
(https://classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/115/flashcards/3434115/jpg/school_zone_15mph-14028A411F51F3BA1D0.jpg)
Quote from: Big John on July 16, 2021, 10:04:06 PM
Does "When children are present" apply to non school times?
(https://classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/115/flashcards/3434115/jpg/school_zone_15mph-14028A411F51F3BA1D0.jpg)
Never seen that here so I guess yes?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4526/24880358658_d811d597b3_z_d.jpg)
Foreman, AR
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3067/2662957930_555b0d3151_d.jpg)
Mount Olive, IL
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5289/5284120305_1d6df33ab5_z_d.jpg)
Mt Vernon, Missouri
Quote from: Big John on July 16, 2021, 10:04:06 PM
Does "When children are present" apply to non school times?
(https://classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/115/flashcards/3434115/jpg/school_zone_15mph-14028A411F51F3BA1D0.jpg)
Per this article after school activities was one of the purposes of this wording. OTOH it was difficult to enforce
https://www.heraldnet.com/news/what-when-children-are-present-means-in-a-school-zone/
Here's a type that's pretty common in my area, with light up numbers and flashing lights:
- Example 1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3496084,-84.3100651,3a,20.8y,186.06h,94.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFNIo_GaVy7mKtOrsJXHTuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
- Example 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.229334,-84.370438,3a,21y,128.46h,91.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAPazOT_bI8v1pyNLyvQKbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2021, 11:11:20 PM
Here's a type that's pretty common in my area, with light up numbers and flashing lights:
- Example 1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3496084,-84.3100651,3a,20.8y,186.06h,94.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFNIo_GaVy7mKtOrsJXHTuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
- Example 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.229334,-84.370438,3a,21y,128.46h,91.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAPazOT_bI8v1pyNLyvQKbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Never seen them overhead.
Quote from: Big John on July 16, 2021, 10:04:06 PM
Does "When children are present" apply to non school times?
(https://classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/115/flashcards/3434115/jpg/school_zone_15mph-14028A411F51F3BA1D0.jpg)
In NJ, "When Children Are Present" is defined as 30 minutes before school, 30 minutes after school, and during recess. Yes...it's very vague.
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2021, 11:11:20 PM
Here's a type that's pretty common in my area, with light up numbers and flashing lights:
- Example 1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3496084,-84.3100651,3a,20.8y,186.06h,94.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFNIo_GaVy7mKtOrsJXHTuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
- Example 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.229334,-84.370438,3a,21y,128.46h,91.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAPazOT_bI8v1pyNLyvQKbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Never seen them overhead.
There are two near my area that are overhead on the same state highway (236)... one is installed on a mast arm (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2009613,-70.7934682,3a,27y,202.08h,92.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sStfMo78xdCKXT1wbuTEWEw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at one facility... and a little bit down the road... the second one is mounted on span wires (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1550184,-70.7998839,3a,17.2y,160.71h,92.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq2bUQQj1qFdBUemOVXdNBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Quote from: fwydriver405 on July 16, 2021, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2021, 11:11:20 PM
Here's a type that's pretty common in my area, with light up numbers and flashing lights:
- Example 1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3496084,-84.3100651,3a,20.8y,186.06h,94.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFNIo_GaVy7mKtOrsJXHTuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
- Example 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.229334,-84.370438,3a,21y,128.46h,91.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAPazOT_bI8v1pyNLyvQKbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Never seen them overhead.
There are two near my area that are overhead on the same state highway (236)... one is installed on a mast arm (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2009613,-70.7934682,3a,27y,202.08h,92.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sStfMo78xdCKXT1wbuTEWEw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at one facility... and a little bit down the road... the second one is mounted on span wires (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1550184,-70.7998839,3a,17.2y,160.71h,92.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq2bUQQj1qFdBUemOVXdNBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
I mean I've never seen them overhead here in North Carolina.
Some Nevada examples
School Zone in effect during certain times:
Reno-area example (https://goo.gl/maps/p6p5jxeifxnvWzhi8)
School Zone in effect when children are present
Vegas-area example (https://goo.gl/maps/15QunK8RTmxYW6mS7) - Much of the Vegas area has gone to this instead of listing specific times.
School Zone in effect when beacons are flashing
Post-mounted - newer Vegas-area example (https://goo.gl/maps/ZhHE3P6HfSkGrNoVA)
Overhead - newer Vegas-area example (https://goo.gl/maps/z2qBvtiGVkLEuYuw8)
Overhead - older Vegas-area example (https://goo.gl/maps/6vY8nbhZugVUm1Hr5)
Post-mounted - older Reno-area example (https://goo.gl/maps/LQWkg2TsUDrAjJ9N8)
Overhead - older Reno-area example (https://goo.gl/maps/SRNszh1rDQLPdjDGA)
Overhead - newer Reno-area example (https://goo.gl/maps/6QMCiMdD59YLpmBF6)
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 09:26:51 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5921989,-77.5725443,3a,45.6y,330.28h,97.28t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s5vljEmZMJaWEyHzA5QhBOg!2e0!5s20180701T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D5vljEmZMJaWEyHzA5QhBOg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D57.543076%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) sign here looks clumsy.
Does this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4669136,-77.2773998,3a,19.6y,171.85h,87.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srDU933_Utn_OyrKNeAu0qw!2e0!5s20180701T000000!7i13312!8i6656) sign tell you to slow down even when school is not in session? There are no flashers here. Compared to here (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5915134,-77.3804207,3a,21.4y,301.38h,92.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1st8488xt1KqNAHf50zO8voQ!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i13312!8i6656).
These are clumsy installations.
The first might not even be enforceable, because it is using an advisor speed placard (meant to accompany a warning sign) instead of an actual speed limit regulatory sign.
The second isn't too bad. Although the time regulations typically shouldn't be posted with an advance warning sign like this, and should just be displayed with the actual school speed limit sign at the start of the zone.
The third one with flashers also has times listed, which is odd. Either list the time and don't have the flashing beacons, or use flashing beacons and say "when flashing" instead of the times.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on July 16, 2021, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2021, 11:11:20 PM
Here's a type that's pretty common in my area, with light up numbers and flashing lights:
- Example 1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3496084,-84.3100651,3a,20.8y,186.06h,94.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFNIo_GaVy7mKtOrsJXHTuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
- Example 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.229334,-84.370438,3a,21y,128.46h,91.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAPazOT_bI8v1pyNLyvQKbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Never seen them overhead.
There are two near my area that are overhead on the same state highway (236)... one is installed on a mast arm (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2009613,-70.7934682,3a,27y,202.08h,92.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sStfMo78xdCKXT1wbuTEWEw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at one facility... and a little bit down the road... the second one is mounted on span wires (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1550184,-70.7998839,3a,17.2y,160.71h,92.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq2bUQQj1qFdBUemOVXdNBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Several of these are awkward to me. I don't get the reason for having the speed limit numbers on a separate light-up display instead of putting the numbers on the static portion of the sign–it's one more thing that can go wrong and for public works to maintain.
Similarly, why do they put the beacons inside the borders of the sign?
Lots of custom sign designing when it'd be a whole lot easier to use the standard signs and affix beacons around them...
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6016984,-77.359071,3a,75y,200.46h,84.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sskQfLzBua-pm8r44xErfBw!2e0!5s20090501T000000!7i3328!8i1664
We did have overhead flashers but they were moved to the side since then.
Quote from: roadfro on July 18, 2021, 04:13:53 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 09:26:51 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5921989,-77.5725443,3a,45.6y,330.28h,97.28t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s5vljEmZMJaWEyHzA5QhBOg!2e0!5s20180701T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D5vljEmZMJaWEyHzA5QhBOg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D57.543076%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) sign here looks clumsy.
Does this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4669136,-77.2773998,3a,19.6y,171.85h,87.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srDU933_Utn_OyrKNeAu0qw!2e0!5s20180701T000000!7i13312!8i6656) sign tell you to slow down even when school is not in session? There are no flashers here. Compared to here (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5915134,-77.3804207,3a,21.4y,301.38h,92.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1st8488xt1KqNAHf50zO8voQ!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i13312!8i6656).
The third one with flashers also has times listed, which is odd. Either list the time and don't have the flashing beacons, or use flashing beacons and say "when flashing" instead of the times.
We don't have any sign such saying "WHEN FLASHING" as far as I know in this area.
In my experience, there are usually three types of driving restrictions that are conditioned by the presence of schools: speed, turning, and parking.
The goal behind the speed and turning restrictions is obviously the safety of children. For the most part, they aim to provide a safety restriction when children are present. If the sign says "when children are present" then it is absolutely so restricted that if you see children on the street in the area, you need to slow down or not turn. This is true regardless of whether school is in session. To be frank, children are more likely to be present in the immediate periods before and after school. In the middle of the day, they are in the classroom, not in the street. Of course, to the extent that chldren can play in the playugrounds and ballparks on school grounds at any time, perhaps one should be on watch for children even during breaks and weekends.
The flahsing lights are a great addition to this. If done right, they can put the restriction in place during times when the children are more likely to be present. Similarly for the specific time restrictions.
The hard thing is to define precisely what is a school day. How would one get a school calendar to check? Would the sign only be in force during district hours, even if the sign is in front of a private school that may have a different schedule? I don't like the uncertainty.
My gut behind most of the signs is to basically treat the signs as Mon-Fri. The turn restrictions (usually NTOR when children present) and speed limits are usually no big deal. Just drive a little slower for a few blocks. The parking restrictions are a bigger hassle, because often a school may be the only place you can park in busy neighborhoods.
This is what roadfro is referring to and it makes more sense. This sign is very nice!
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7677468,-75.5855658,3a,15y,173.59h,97.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sao0wJh9pHPgsJlWMYngoeA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 07:07:31 PM
This is what roadfro is referring to and it makes more sense. This sign is very nice!
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7677468,-75.5855658,3a,15y,173.59h,97.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sao0wJh9pHPgsJlWMYngoeA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Tolbs17, it would be better if you gave some context in your posts, instead of randomly referring to something posted days ago with intervening discussion. For example, had you quoted this info below, people would know exactly what you were referring to when you mentioned what
I was referring to...
Quote from: roadfro on July 18, 2021, 04:13:53 PM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on July 16, 2021, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2021, 11:11:20 PM
Here's a type that's pretty common in my area, with light up numbers and flashing lights:
- Example 1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3496084,-84.3100651,3a,20.8y,186.06h,94.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFNIo_GaVy7mKtOrsJXHTuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
- Example 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.229334,-84.370438,3a,21y,128.46h,91.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAPazOT_bI8v1pyNLyvQKbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Never seen them overhead.
There are two near my area that are overhead on the same state highway (236)... one is installed on a mast arm (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2009613,-70.7934682,3a,27y,202.08h,92.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sStfMo78xdCKXT1wbuTEWEw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at one facility... and a little bit down the road... the second one is mounted on span wires (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1550184,-70.7998839,3a,17.2y,160.71h,92.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq2bUQQj1qFdBUemOVXdNBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Several of these are awkward to me. I don't get the reason for having the speed limit numbers on a separate light-up display instead of putting the numbers on the static portion of the sign–it's one more thing that can go wrong and for public works to maintain.
Similarly, why do they put the beacons inside the borders of the sign?
Lots of custom sign designing when it'd be a whole lot easier to use the standard signs and affix beacons around them...
Quote from: roadfro on July 26, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 07:07:31 PM
This is what roadfro is referring to and it makes more sense. This sign is very nice!
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7677468,-75.5855658,3a,15y,173.59h,97.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sao0wJh9pHPgsJlWMYngoeA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Tolbs17, it would be better if you gave some context in your posts, instead of randomly referring to something posted days ago with intervening discussion. For example, had you quoted this info below, people would know exactly what you were referring to when you mentioned what I was referring to...
Quote from: roadfro on July 18, 2021, 04:13:53 PM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on July 16, 2021, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2021, 11:11:20 PM
Here's a type that's pretty common in my area, with light up numbers and flashing lights:
- Example 1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3496084,-84.3100651,3a,20.8y,186.06h,94.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFNIo_GaVy7mKtOrsJXHTuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
- Example 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.229334,-84.370438,3a,21y,128.46h,91.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAPazOT_bI8v1pyNLyvQKbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Never seen them overhead.
There are two near my area that are overhead on the same state highway (236)... one is installed on a mast arm (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2009613,-70.7934682,3a,27y,202.08h,92.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sStfMo78xdCKXT1wbuTEWEw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at one facility... and a little bit down the road... the second one is mounted on span wires (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1550184,-70.7998839,3a,17.2y,160.71h,92.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq2bUQQj1qFdBUemOVXdNBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Several of these are awkward to me. I don't get the reason for having the speed limit numbers on a separate light-up display instead of putting the numbers on the static portion of the sign–it's one more thing that can go wrong and for public works to maintain.
Similarly, why do they put the beacons inside the borders of the sign?
Lots of custom sign designing when it'd be a whole lot easier to use the standard signs and affix beacons around them...
Yes, I probably forgot to do that.
Signs like these (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5371041,-77.4190138,3a,62.3y,302.03h,83.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTt_R_DpeoyB7umE1Y-uA_w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) mean you don't have to slow down to 45 mph. These are just advisory signs so these are not speed traps. The same ones I showed off at North Pitt and Ayden Grifton.
However if you see signs like these (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4612148,-77.2720634,3a,40.2y,331.18h,87.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssEKvoZlvoErcv7NtvefQnA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), you DO have to slow down during those hours.
And you'll see a warning sign like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4596518,-77.2706008,3a,88.7y,336.62h,90.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sf2hd2QJxnsxpRPa_N-ywEA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) as well.
Topsail schools in Hampstead used to have regulatory speed limit signs for school zones but they've changed to advisory. Speed limit on that stretch used to be 55 mph and it was lowered to 45 mph.
2007 Google Street View - https://www.google.com/maps/@34.3970107,-77.6738251,3a,75y,258.39h,81.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1m76sFBcSmRYanKNaWz51Q!2e0!7i3328!8i1664
2019 Google Street View - https://www.google.com/maps/@34.397102,-77.6737199,3a,75y,240.77h,86.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHx0ydo_hnTvq6-etp7cziQ!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i13312!8i6656
I do believe North Pitt High School did have regulatory speed limit signs before NC 11 was widened to four lanes.
This is rare and it's part of the Greensboro Urban Loop but these could be just temporary until they install a side mounted flashing beacon.
https://goo.gl/maps/GtTPuEwv3uR5t7TSA
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 19, 2022, 03:03:42 AM
This is rare and it's part of the Greensboro Urban Loop but these could be just temporary until they install a side mounted flashing beacon.
https://goo.gl/maps/GtTPuEwv3uR5t7TSA
I've seen similar elsewhere.
This type of sign is the norm in Fairfax County (https://goo.gl/maps/7A7PdUX8piCQjBtW6). That style is used elsewhere in Virginia as well–here's an example on a road with a 55-mph speed limit (https://goo.gl/maps/VszxZ9J7nX2jvVyHA) and here's one on a road with a 60-mph speed limit (https://goo.gl/maps/zmukdv1xQpD3Ra3w8). (Usually an "End School Zone" sign is also present at the opposite end.)
I've always preferred this style to the ones that list hours (often in small type that's hard to see at a glance) or that say simply "school days." "School days" can be ambiguous even for local residents who don't have kids and thus don't know what days might be student holidays ("teacher workdays" as they're commonly called here) or days like spring break or the like.
What bugs me is when municipalities interchangeably use "school crossing" and "school zone" signs.
(I know the MUTCD has been updated to use one sign for both, with appropriate supplemental tabs, but that does nothing for older existing installations.)
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 19, 2022, 09:59:46 AM
What bugs me is when municipalities interchangeably use "school crossing" and "school zone" signs.
(I know the MUTCD has been updated to use one sign for both, with appropriate supplemental tabs, but that does nothing for older existing installations.)
and yet some roads have the speed limit slow down zone for some with no SCHOOL anywhere near there with NO one slowing down. For the crossing? Now if some took that to court will they win?
Pennsylvania's signs use orange or yellow backlit speed limits that light up when the speed limit is active along with flashing beacons. The fonts look like my grandparents' old microwave from the 1970s.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/thecourierexpress.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/21/921a08ab-224a-526d-b535-152b3b7d3c64/5c6cb1255a15a.image.jpg?resize=750%2C489)
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 19, 2022, 04:29:58 PM
Pennsylvania's signs use orange or yellow backlit speed limits that light up when the speed limit is active along with flashing beacons. The fonts look like my grandparents' old microwave from the 1970s.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/thecourierexpress.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/21/921a08ab-224a-526d-b535-152b3b7d3c64/5c6cb1255a15a.image.jpg?resize=750%2C489)
Illinois still uses those and parts of Missouri
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8102/8603828047_6b60febdb5_z_d.jpg)
Biloxi, MS
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 19, 2022, 04:29:58 PM
Pennsylvania's signs use orange or yellow backlit speed limits that light up when the speed limit is active along with flashing beacons. The fonts look like my grandparents' old microwave from the 1970s.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/thecourierexpress.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/21/921a08ab-224a-526d-b535-152b3b7d3c64/5c6cb1255a15a.image.jpg?resize=750%2C489)
Michigan has some of these. They're the worst -- wasted blank space while you have to put on a pair of readers to see the small numerals.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 20, 2022, 11:32:17 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 19, 2022, 04:29:58 PM
Pennsylvania's signs use orange or yellow backlit speed limits that light up when the speed limit is active along with flashing beacons. The fonts look like my grandparents' old microwave from the 1970s.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/thecourierexpress.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/21/921a08ab-224a-526d-b535-152b3b7d3c64/5c6cb1255a15a.image.jpg?resize=750%2C489)
Michigan has some of these. They're the worst -- wasted blank space while you have to put on a pair of readers to see the small numerals.
Agreed. Under what circumstances does the school speed limit change? Is it 25 in good weather and 15 in bad weather?
For the most part, these signs put in place a far lower speed limit than appropriate for the given road when there is a school present. Picking a speed limit that is appropriate for the hazard of a school should not merit a change in the speed. For most of these, 25 should be slow enough to come to a sudden stop if needed. 15 is too slow. And 25 could be printed in large letters that are always lit, as changing this speed limit is not justified.
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 19, 2022, 04:29:58 PM
Pennsylvania's signs use orange or yellow backlit speed limits that light up when the speed limit is active along with flashing beacons. The fonts look like my grandparents' old microwave from the 1970s.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/thecourierexpress.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/21/921a08ab-224a-526d-b535-152b3b7d3c64/5c6cb1255a15a.image.jpg?resize=750%2C489)
I like the idea of signage next to schools with flashing lights that only come on at certain times. Perhaps the locals have known this for a long time, but it can be useful if someone passes through the city.
Quote from: Daisy Rahman on July 25, 2023, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 19, 2022, 04:29:58 PM
Pennsylvania's signs use orange or yellow backlit speed limits that light up when the speed limit is active along with flashing beacons. The fonts look like my grandparents' old microwave from the 1970s.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/thecourierexpress.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/21/921a08ab-224a-526d-b535-152b3b7d3c64/5c6cb1255a15a.image.jpg?resize=750%2C489)
I like the idea of signage next to schools with flashing lights that only come on at certain times. Perhaps the locals have known this for a long time, but it can be useful if someone passes through the city. This may be relevant. Although the design and dimensions should have been updated and made more modern for a long time, I agree here. I think we need to propose introducing such signs throughout our country. To discuss and promote this idea, I want to write a few proposal essays, because this can be an effective means of attracting the attention of the public and the state to this initiative. I don't have much experience yet, so I found the site https://gradesfixer.com/essay-types/proposal-essays/ (https://gradesfixer.com/essay-types/proposal-essays/) where I look at examples from straight-A students and learn how to structure ideas and maintain my position. I am currently gathering research and statistics from the Department of Education and the Department of Transportation to gather arguments in support of the proposal and respond to possible conflicting opinions. Do you think it would be useful?
I wonder if AI, such as Tesla, can recognize such a sign?