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Started by Zeffy, February 25, 2014, 11:08:43 AM

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BrianP

Quote from: famartin on November 24, 2021, 10:19:05 AM
I feel like the odds the rest of this interchange gets completed in my lifetime are relatively low...
https://www.patpconstruction.com/paturnpikei95/section-d40.aspx
"Construction planned when funding is identified"... translation: "we really don't care about the rest of this."
Not surprising at all.  The other movements are possible just not as directly.  And they're not nearly as important.

The only question is which is lower on their list: this or Breezewood?  :-D


famartin

I'd rank the ramp pair importance from most to least in this way (only including the incomplete ones):

I-95 SB->I-295 EB and I-295 WB->I-95 NB
I-276 EB->I-95 SB and I-95 NB->I-276 WB
I-295 WB->I-276 WB and I-276 EB->I-295 EB

This is just based on how easy it is to make those movements presently without said ramps.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: BrianP on November 24, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: famartin on November 24, 2021, 10:19:05 AM
I feel like the odds the rest of this interchange gets completed in my lifetime are relatively low...
https://www.patpconstruction.com/paturnpikei95/section-d40.aspx
"Construction planned when funding is identified"... translation: "we really don't care about the rest of this."
Not surprising at all.  The other movements are possible just not as directly.  And they're not nearly as important.

The only question is which is lower on their list: this or Breezewood?  :-D

Breezewood isn't even on a list.

And technically, it's not a PTC problem. The PTC has an interchange. PennDOT has the traffic lights. PennDOT would need to work with the PTC to develop a revised interchange. Neither agency really cares.

bluecountry

Quote from: BrianP on November 24, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: famartin on November 24, 2021, 10:19:05 AM
I feel like the odds the rest of this interchange gets completed in my lifetime are relatively low...
https://www.patpconstruction.com/paturnpikei95/section-d40.aspx
"Construction planned when funding is identified"... translation: "we really don't care about the rest of this."
Not surprising at all.  The other movements are possible just not as directly.  And they're not nearly as important.

The only question is which is lower on their list: this or Breezewood?  :-D
That's crazy.
It really needs to have it where:
   95 SB connects to 295 EB
   295 WB connects to 95 NB
   295 WB connects to 276
   276 EB connects to 295 WB

Promptly

Alps

Quote from: bluecountry on December 19, 2021, 11:28:06 PM
Quote from: BrianP on November 24, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: famartin on November 24, 2021, 10:19:05 AM
I feel like the odds the rest of this interchange gets completed in my lifetime are relatively low...
https://www.patpconstruction.com/paturnpikei95/section-d40.aspx
"Construction planned when funding is identified"... translation: "we really don't care about the rest of this."
Not surprising at all.  The other movements are possible just not as directly.  And they're not nearly as important.

The only question is which is lower on their list: this or Breezewood?  :-D
That's crazy.
It really needs to have it where:
   95 SB connects to 295 EB
   295 WB connects to 95 NB
   295 WB connects to 276
   276 EB connects to 295 WB

Promptly
Your opinions belong in Fictional Highways. You have already been warned for the NJ Turnpike - don't add to it here.

famartin

Quote from: Alps on December 20, 2021, 02:15:27 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 19, 2021, 11:28:06 PM
Quote from: BrianP on November 24, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: famartin on November 24, 2021, 10:19:05 AM
I feel like the odds the rest of this interchange gets completed in my lifetime are relatively low...
https://www.patpconstruction.com/paturnpikei95/section-d40.aspx
"Construction planned when funding is identified"... translation: "we really don't care about the rest of this."
Not surprising at all.  The other movements are possible just not as directly.  And they're not nearly as important.

The only question is which is lower on their list: this or Breezewood?  :-D
That's crazy.
It really needs to have it where:
   95 SB connects to 295 EB
   295 WB connects to 95 NB
   295 WB connects to 276
   276 EB connects to 295 WB

Promptly
Your opinions belong in Fictional Highways. You have already been warned for the NJ Turnpike - don't add to it here.

He's a bit of a pest, sure, and his opinion isn't really valid here either, for sure... but fictional highways? These ARE planned connections... just not any time soon, apparently.

SignBridge

Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?

Alps

Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...

SignBridge

LOL The words promptly and Pennsylvania Turnpike don't normally occur in the same sentence. LOL

bluecountry

Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

famartin

Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.

Hot Rod Hootenanny

Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.
In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
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You don't really know the interstate system of the U.S. of A, do you.
Please, don't sue Alex & Andy over what I wrote above

jeffandnicole

Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

Well, it did only became its parent a few years ago.

famartin

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on December 25, 2021, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.
In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.

You don't really know the interstate system of the U.S. of A, do you.

I wasn't talking about the USA, I was talking about Pennsylvania. In a state (PENNSYLVANIA) where its STILL perfectly acceptable for a mainline Interstate to follow a surface road to connect two separate portions of itself, then a partial interstate-interstate interchange is hardly shocking or outrageous.

bzakharin

Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
Maybe not, but couldn't they at least have official routes (TO North 95 or whatever) posted? At least Breezewood makes the I-70 routing clear.

famartin

Quote from: bzakharin on December 26, 2021, 06:04:57 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
Maybe not, but couldn't they at least have official routes (TO North 95 or whatever) posted? At least Breezewood makes the I-70 routing clear.

Well... there are a few signs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1502809,-74.8984529,3a,75y,164.68h,80.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHdngVZANgwN-lKnColiKQA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1331268,-74.9773168,3a,75y,107.31h,87.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sf-Oyj56bF0lIboEqPl1r7g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I guess they figure that if you are heading for I-295 east, you are already going to take Exit 351 anyway. But this is on the exit ramps
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1326101,-74.967696,3a,75y,96.93h,87.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTV0Vgn-nXLt4byzV704Bqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

jeffandnicole

Quote from: bzakharin on December 26, 2021, 06:04:57 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
Maybe not, but couldn't they at least have official routes (TO North 95 or whatever) posted? At least Breezewood makes the I-70 routing clear.

Most people on 295 that go over the NJ Turnpike Extension don't realize they are doing so. But for those that do, and want to access it, the next exit Northbound is signed for I-95. Going SB, 2 exits south is signed to get to the NJ Tpk, which connects into it. Depending on their ultimate destination, there's probably numerous better options than to reverse course at that point.

Hot Rod Hootenanny

Quote from: famartin on December 26, 2021, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on December 25, 2021, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.
In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.

You don't really know the interstate system of the U.S. of A, do you.

I wasn't talking about the USA, I was talking about Pennsylvania. In a state (PENNSYLVANIA) where its STILL perfectly acceptable for a mainline Interstate to follow a surface road to connect two separate portions of itself, then a partial interstate-interstate interchange is hardly shocking or outrageous.

My quote attribution got mangled. I meant my sarcasm towards BlueCountry, not you Famartin.
Please, don't sue Alex & Andy over what I wrote above

roadman65

Look at the bright side. I-95 is now seam less all its way from Miami to Canada. So it takes another life time to get the other movements done. Be happy with what we have.

The PTC and PennDOT will always move like molasses, nothing new.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

bluecountry

Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 26, 2021, 06:17:39 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on December 26, 2021, 06:04:57 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
Maybe not, but couldn't they at least have official routes (TO North 95 or whatever) posted? At least Breezewood makes the I-70 routing clear.

Most people on 295 that go over the NJ Turnpike Extension don't realize they are doing so. But for those that do, and want to access it, the next exit Northbound is signed for I-95. Going SB, 2 exits south is signed to get to the NJ Tpk, which connects into it. Depending on their ultimate destination, there's probably numerous better options than to reverse course at that point.
That is absurd since unlike Breezewood, 95/295 basically 'should' function as a beltway for METRO Philly.

DeaconG

Quote from: bluecountry on December 27, 2021, 11:17:35 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 26, 2021, 06:17:39 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on December 26, 2021, 06:04:57 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
Quote from: famartin on December 25, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on December 20, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Seems to me those ramps are valid for a discussion of this interchange that they are planned to be a part of. Why wouldn't they be?
The actual ramps are. Opinions such as "promptly" are not useful and this poster's history is expressing opinions instead of facts. I'd like to avoid a meta-discussion...
Now you are splitting hairs and being really tickey tackey.

It is bad enough I-295 does not connect with I-95 in NJ in Burlington County.
To have no connection from I-295 to its parent highway I-95 in PA aside from NB 95 to WB 295 is outrageous.

In a state where Breezewood is accepted, the I-95/I-295/I-276 situation is not outrageous.
Maybe not, but couldn't they at least have official routes (TO North 95 or whatever) posted? At least Breezewood makes the I-70 routing clear.

Most people on 295 that go over the NJ Turnpike Extension don't realize they are doing so. But for those that do, and want to access it, the next exit Northbound is signed for I-95. Going SB, 2 exits south is signed to get to the NJ Tpk, which connects into it. Depending on their ultimate destination, there's probably numerous better options than to reverse course at that point.
That is absurd since unlike Breezewood, 95/295 basically 'should' function as a beltway for METRO Philly.
If you want a route that should be a beltway of metro Philly, I-295/I-276/I-476/I-95 will work much better.
Dawnstar: "You're an ape! And you can talk!"
King Solovar: "And you're a human with wings! Reality holds surprises for everyone!"
-Crisis On Infinite Earths #2

famartin


ixnay

Quote from: famartin on February 03, 2022, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on February 03, 2022, 02:48:07 PM
If you want a route that should be a beltway of metro Philly, I-295/I-276/I-476/I-95 will work much better.

This is the closest you'll get today, or probably ever.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/40.0592996,-75.3264718/40.0858012,-74.7417523/39.7154172,-75.5739491/40.0592318,-75.3267487/@39.9167714,-75.2757079,10.87z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0

That's about as long as the M25/A282 circling London, maybe longer.  About the length of two Washington Beltways.
The Washington/Baltimore/Arlington CSA has two Key Bridges, a Minnesota Avenue, and a Mannasota Avenue.

Rothman

Well, this thread has gone to pot.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

lepidopteran

Anyone know the status of the remainder of this project?  It seems like with the primary movements completed, namely the ones required to maintain I-95 continuity, the project has been put on the back burner indefinitely.

Since the two movements were completed, all that has been worked on (and completed) since then are:

  • The Bensalem Interchange reconstruction
  • New Falls Road bridge replacement (to make space for the new ramps)
  • US-13 connector - mostly to replace an aging trumpet ramp with a signalized at-grade intersection.

The project's remaining tasks include: adding the other 6 movements, widening stretches of the turnpike, and twinning/replacing the bridge over the Delaware River.  The latter was supposed to be prioritized due to a crack found a few years ago.



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