What road in your area (sticking to a single route number or road name) would you
least like to have as part of your commute? Or if it already is part of your commute, what don't you like about it?
I want nothing to do with a commute that involves NY 441. I use it occasionally and sometimes take part of it as part of the "long way" home, and it annoys me every time...
- Lack of consistency: heading east, first it's a six-lane boulevard, then reduces to four lanes with freeway characteristics, but then there's a random stoplight, then a full freeway with a single interchange, then back to a surface street that dumps you right in the middle of Penfield, then a long four-lane undivided slog
- Poorly timed signals: evening traffic coming off I-490 is timed to miss the lights at both Linden Ave intersections, so you're stuck in a pack of traffic by the time you get to the short "freeway" section and it never truly opens up before hitting the slowdown in Penfield
- Overburdened intersections: the intersection at Five Mile Line Road handles way too much volume for a surface street. There's recurring backups in all four directions, especially eastbound in the evening where it often backs up on to the freeway section. The intersections with Liberty St and Penfield Road are dangerous and the latter has a one-way section to force eastbound thru traffic through the Panorama interchange; there are limited gaps in traffic to exit the side streets, while entering them disrupts the flow of thru traffic
- Mix of local and through traffic: this is the main route to/from I-490 for traffic as far east as Walworth and Marion, so you've got a lot of medium-distance traffic and trucks mixing with heavy local traffic
- Lack of alternative routes: anything to the south goes through East Rochester and is pretty much a non-starter, there's no connection between Baird Rd and Linden Ave to bypass the worst congestion hot spot, and anything to the north is convoluted and involves going well out of the way and/or a two-lane slog on Penfield Road
Poorly timed lights drive me crazy.
Ramps from I-81 to Adams/Harrison in Syracuse. Only place where traffic really backs up in the area.
A one-lane county road with a private drive section in-between. I had the pleasure of driving on this particular one three weeks ago before I just turned around:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4674753,-122.2747159,3a,82.3y,127.38h,88.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sokbc45ng8QgCaTQqNdiOtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: Techknow on February 15, 2023, 10:18:30 PM
A one-lane county road with a private drive section in-between. I had the pleasure of driving on this particular one three weeks ago before I just turned around:
Wow. That didn't seem to stop the Street View car though!
Any freeway heading into San Francisco. I'm past the age of being able to tolerate commuter traffic like that every day.
I have done the last twenty miles of US Route 1 in the Florida Keys as my daily commute in the past. People used to tell me that US 1 was super horrible to commute on. I never found it to be too aggravating given I had a car with a powerful engine given it made passing easy.
I had OK-9 in Norman as part of my commute for just under a decade. It includes such joys as randomly-timed lights and random events at the university that would cause so much traffic that it became impassible at unpredictable times.
In Wisconsin I would not want I-94 (east-west Freeway) between downtown Milwaukee and the west suburbs - into the Sun and heaps of traffic BOTH WAYS.
Mike
Chicago- Eisenhower Expressway from the Circle Interchange to the Hillside Strangler Interchange... Left-hand exits as well as not enough capacity from 8 lanes to six lanes.
On part of my commute, I have a series of lights that are either all green or all red when I pass through them, and no mix of those.
Quote from: epzik8 on February 16, 2023, 05:25:19 AM
On part of my commute, I have a series of lights that are either all green or all red when I pass through them, and no mix of those.
Is that a good or bad thing?
I-87 over the Twin Bridges (between NY 7 and Clifton Park). It is probably the single worst congestion point in the whole area, especially during tourist season in the Adirondacks and Saratoga. It's also fairly prone to incident related congestion, which has been known to spill down south as far as the Thruway and I-90.
Quote from: Techknow on February 15, 2023, 10:18:30 PM
A one-lane county road with a private drive section in-between. I had the pleasure of driving on this particular one three weeks ago before I just turned around:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4674753,-122.2747159,3a,82.3y,127.38h,88.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sokbc45ng8QgCaTQqNdiOtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
You're going to give MMM nightmares and/or a heart attack with that road!
10th Ave S in Great Falls, MT (US 87/US 89/MT 200/MT 3 to I-315) is mostly 3 lanes each direction, and almost impossible to not be stopped by about a dozen stoplights. I avoid this street any time I can, which is easy because GF's street network is an almost perfect grid.
Any time I have to go from I-15 on the west side of GF to somewhere on the east side of the city, it's easier to exit I-15 at Central Ave. W (Exit 280) and go through downtown. 1st Ave N/2nd Ave N are a one-way pair with lights timed for 25 MPH. After downtown, there are only 3-5 more lights depending on how far I need to go.
Quote from: vdeane on February 16, 2023, 12:40:33 PM
I-87 over the Twin Bridges (between NY 7 and Clifton Park). It is probably the single worst congestion point in the whole area, especially during tourist season in the Adirondacks and Saratoga. It's also fairly prone to incident related congestion, which has been known to spill down south as far as the Thruway and I-90.
Yep. Could not pay me enough to work in Albany and live in Clifton Park.
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https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32520.msg2817341#msg2817341
In Minneapolis, anything involving Lyndale Avenue between 394 and the Crosstown, especially the Hennepin Avenue "duplex" area.
59/69 between Spur 527 and 45 in Houston. 45 inside the Beltway. In general, there are a lot of freeways in or around 610 that are unbearable.
Yeah, I would rather not commute on the Pierce Elevated in Houston (or I-45 in general).
As for Tulsa, the only road here that I don't really like is US 75 on the south side of town (which just so happens to be a route that I can take for my actual "commute" (if you count going to church as a "commute." I live and work on my college campus). It needs to be upgraded to 6 lanes given the traffic on it, it has gross signage in spots, and the at-grade in Glenpool is consistently annoying. Luckily, Tulsa's arterial street grid is so well planned out that I usually can avoid it.
I'd have to go with I-80/94 (Kingery and Borman Expressways) near Chicago. I know I do not want these roads on my commute because I had them on there for a while. Issues include:
- Heavy traffic at all times of day; you either take the expensive Chicago Skyway, use side streets, drop down to I-74, or take this.
- Orientation in and out of the sun, so you're blinded both ways while working day shifts.
- Frequent construction (and associated delays and driving hazards).
- Excessive speeding... everybody thinks you're driving too slow if you aren't 10 over.
- Trucks illegally using the left two lanes, slowing all traffic to the speed of their governors.
- Bad drivers... you're in Indiana so... yeah.
- Bad memories from having sat in traffic for literally three hours due to an overturned truck.
Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 16, 2023, 01:12:11 PM
10th Ave S in Great Falls, MT (US 87/US 89/MT 200/MT 3 to I-315) is mostly 3 lanes each direction, and almost impossible to not be stopped by about a dozen stoplights. I avoid this street any time I can, which is easy because GF's street network is an almost perfect grid.
Any time I have to go from I-15 on the west side of GF to somewhere on the east side of the city, it's easier to exit I-15 at Central Ave. W (Exit 280) and go through downtown. 1st Ave N/2nd Ave N are a one-way pair with lights timed for 25 MPH. After downtown, there are only 3-5 more lights depending on how far I need to go.
YES. I drove through Great Falls last year and had this exact experience on 10th. The light at 6th St. SW was particularly horrendous. Unfortunately, I'm trying to clinch US 89, so it had to be driven once. At least I won't have to suffer that again.
My own contribution to this thread is going to be another road in Montana that I drove on that trip, for the same reason: US 93/Reserve Street in Missoula. My theory was that Montana is such a big rural empty state that MDT forgot they might have to hire a traffic engineer or two.
Seattle: I-5 southbound in the afternoon. With the express lanes running opposite (and thus one lane fewer at Northgate), it is always terrible.
Quote from: vdeane on February 16, 2023, 12:40:33 PM
Quote from: Techknow on February 15, 2023, 10:18:30 PM
A one-lane county road with a private drive section in-between. I had the pleasure of driving on this particular one three weeks ago before I just turned around:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4674753,-122.2747159,3a,82.3y,127.38h,88.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sokbc45ng8QgCaTQqNdiOtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
You're going to give MMM nightmares and/or a heart attack with that road!
I don't doubt that! I didn't even know such a road could exist in the Bay Area until I tried to drive to a county park so I just had to share it!
A more serious answer from me is driving within downtown San Francisco, or any major city with one-way streets. If one's destination is at the north end of the city, it won't be fun to get there in the afternoon (I'm going to there for a dentist appointment next month). Any freeway will be 2-3 miles from the destination, assuming one even endures the slog on US-101/I-80. Instead one will have to take a bunch of streets and arterials. Specific streets include Guerrero St, Van Ness Ave, Franklin St, Fell St, Oak St.
Being afraid of one-way streets is interesting. When I lived in San Francisco, I was impressed by how the grid was set up, especially with careful thought for intersections with no left turns, sending traffic around right turn blocks.
I would not want to commute on Maryland Route 210 (Indian Head Highway) in PG and Charles Counties. It's generally known as one of the most dangerous roads in the DC area because of the hyper-aggressive drivers and extreme speeds (not at all unusual to see people weaving in and out of traffic at triple-digit speeds and to see people driving at full speed on the shoulder to pass stopped traffic). The road itself is fine, it's the people who drive on it who are the problem. Channel 4 news had a report the other night about how the speed cameras on there are not having the desired effect because somehow none of the people who were exceeding 89 mph have received camera tickets (which, in some ways, is an unfortunate thing for the news to report because it tells you one potentially dangerous way to avoid a camera ticket!).
I-25 in Denver. About 20 miles of suck in both directions.
Quote from: Hobart on February 16, 2023, 07:14:03 PM
I'd have to go with I-80/94 (Kingery and Borman Expressways) near Chicago. I know I do not want these roads on my commute because I had them on there for a while. Issues include:
- Heavy traffic at all times of day; you either take the expensive Chicago Skyway, use side streets, drop down to I-74, or take this.
- Orientation in and out of the sun, so you're blinded both ways while working day shifts.
- Frequent construction (and associated delays and driving hazards).
- Excessive speeding... everybody thinks you're driving too slow if you aren't 10 over.
- Trucks illegally using the left two lanes, slowing all traffic to the speed of their governors.
- Bad drivers... you're in Indiana so... yeah.
- Bad memories from having sat in traffic for literally three hours due to an overturned truck.
Good answer. The Borman is almost always a mess.
I'm going to go with what's on the opposite side of Chicagoland: Lake County. Once you get west of I-94, there are effectively no through four lane roads. They stonewalled any expansions in hopes it would stop sprawl. Turns out that didn't work, and now they're stuck with a severely underdeveloped road network.
Most roads in the Boston area.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on February 17, 2023, 01:05:14 PM
Most roads in the Boston area.
Mine specifically are US 1 between Boston and Peabody and of course I-93 in Quincy.
Quote from: US 89 on February 16, 2023, 08:24:10 PM
Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 16, 2023, 01:12:11 PM
10th Ave S in Great Falls, MT (US 87/US 89/MT 200/MT 3 to I-315) is mostly 3 lanes each direction, and almost impossible to not be stopped by about a dozen stoplights. I avoid this street any time I can, which is easy because GF's street network is an almost perfect grid.
Any time I have to go from I-15 on the west side of GF to somewhere on the east side of the city, it's easier to exit I-15 at Central Ave. W (Exit 280) and go through downtown. 1st Ave N/2nd Ave N are a one-way pair with lights timed for 25 MPH. After downtown, there are only 3-5 more lights depending on how far I need to go.
YES. I drove through Great Falls last year and had this exact experience on 10th. The light at 6th St. SW was particularly horrendous. Unfortunately, I'm trying to clinch US 89, so it had to be driven once. At least I won't have to suffer that again.
Yeah, that particular light is almost guaranteed to be a delay, especially coming from GF to I-315. It's a cause for celebration any time I'm able to get through it without being stopped by it.
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My own contribution to this thread is going to be another road in Montana that I drove on that trip, for the same reason: US 93/Reserve Street in Missoula. My theory was that Montana is such a big rural empty state that MDT forgot they might have to hire a traffic engineer or two.
Well, that was the bypass of Missoula. Until Missoula built out that way. There are occasional rumors of another bypass further west, but those who don't want any kind of development in the valley are adamantly opposed to it.
The Cross Bronx Expressway (I-95) because it's bumper-to-bumper around the clock.
Quote from: dgolub on February 18, 2023, 07:43:15 AM
The Cross Bronx Expressway (I-95) because it's bumper-to-bumper around the clock.
Ah, the couple of times that I've been on it when it was essentially free flow...miraculous.
Actually I was able to go 70 mph on the cross bronx recently on the weekend in the middle of the day. During the weekday, yes it is black-red on googlemaps the whole length, but they also recently repaired it so it has some of the smoothest asphalt in the city now.
As a Mets fan, I would not want to ever commute via the Van Wyck. There only 4(!) times in my life where I have been on the Van Wyck and not had any traffic, and 3 of those were last year. Tight roadway, always road work, only route for trucks coming from JFK... it gets to the point where a VMS on the overpass at Rockaway Boulevard (the traffic typically starts right when you get in view of this sign) is almost always proclaiming "DELAYS TO (street name, usually MAIN ST)". If anyone's wondering, the stretch of road in question is NB between Exits 1B-2 (usually starts at a small bend in the express lanes and under the exit 2 BGS in the local lanes, about where the mainline loses a lane) and exit 8 (precisely where the ramp leaves).
Needing to drive due east in the morning and due west in the afternoon
Quote from: SeriesE on February 21, 2023, 11:56:14 AM
Needing to drive due east in the morning and due west in the afternoon
Only in Sept and March.
For this city, I'm glad I don't have to go downtown if I go to the office, because every few days, someone decides that the morning rush is a great time to slow roll a train through The Isthmus. With zero grade separations along this railroad, these trains completely snarl traffic. ALL traffic, not just cars. Buses get held up, bikes can't get thru (unless they're coming from one or two specific directions and know how to sneak up Monona Terrace.) It's a huge CF that I would be pulling my hair out if I had to deal with.
Poorly time traffic lights is the worst
For local routes, have to go with the Ike (I-290). I also share the same with JoePCool with Lake Co. Anything off I-94 to the west is a slog of 2 lane roadways
Definitely the 401 heading east into Toronto. It's gotten better with the recent widening through Milton and Mississauga, but still, commuting to Toronto is much worse than anything within Waterloo Region.
But if we want to keep it more local:
- The two-lane Highway 7 between Kitchener and Guelph is very busy. The freeway upgrade of this highway has been moving at a glacial pace, and often gets cancelled/restarted by various governments. I feel like we could've just widened the existing road to 4 lanes and been done with it.
- I've noticed that the loop ramp from 8 west to 7/8 west (https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/43.4341071,-80.4497273/43.4352633,-80.4574074/@43.4360909,-80.4535094,16.17z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) gets backed up in the evening rush hour.
Quote from: 7/8 on February 22, 2023, 09:50:28 AM
Definitely the 401 heading east into Toronto. It's gotten better with the recent widening through Milton and Mississauga, but still, commuting to Toronto is much worse than anything within Waterloo Region.
I guess I hadn't been keeping up to date, is the big widening project on the 401 officially finished?
I moved to South County when I moved back to St Louis in 2007 specifically because I wanted to avoid the ugly commutes on I-70 and especially I-64 into the city. (This was also just before the I-64 rebuild (https://www.bdcnetwork.com/reconstructing-i-64-st-louis).) I also worked south of downtown near the Brewery, and the exit on NB I-55 at Broadway leading almost to the main gate made a South City/County home a no-brainer. I'm sure new hires will not use the same logic as my agency is building a new campus on the St Louis North Side (https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/17b-nga-facility-takes-shape-north-st-louis/63-be87b39e-8d47-492b-8692-3dc8e897c0b6). In fact, I'd guess a lot more new hires will be living in Illinois as commuters can take the Stan Span (https://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/made-possible-by-buy-america-the-stan-span-is-quickly-becoming-an-american-icon/) to the Tucker exit, turn right at the end of the ramp onto Cass and take that wide, underutilized street to the new campus.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 17, 2023, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: Hobart on February 16, 2023, 07:14:03 PM
I'd have to go with I-80/94 (Kingery and Borman Expressways) near Chicago. I know I do not want these roads on my commute because I had them on there for a while. Issues include:
- Heavy traffic at all times of day; you either take the expensive Chicago Skyway, use side streets, drop down to I-74, or take this.
- Orientation in and out of the sun, so you're blinded both ways while working day shifts.
- Frequent construction (and associated delays and driving hazards).
- Excessive speeding... everybody thinks you're driving too slow if you aren't 10 over.
- Trucks illegally using the left two lanes, slowing all traffic to the speed of their governors.
- Bad drivers... you're in Indiana so... yeah.
- Bad memories from having sat in traffic for literally three hours due to an overturned truck.
Good answer. The Borman is almost always a mess.
I'm going to go with what's on the opposite side of Chicagoland: Lake County. Once you get west of I-94, there are effectively no through four lane roads. They stonewalled any expansions in hopes it would stop sprawl. Turns out that didn't work, and now they're stuck with a severely underdeveloped road network.
Bumping this up because I so agree with it. The Borman is horrible; and it's basically made to fail because it is one of only two freeways that transport traffic around the south side of Lake Michigan at from this latitude northward to the Canadian border. Not to mention that it travels through the scene of an apocalypse, so there's no real alternate surface streets for you as an alternate to take without worrying about your safety as you drive through Gary.
Lake County is tough to get across, you're so right. Basically a flaw in planning.
Lastly, I nominate the Stevenson Expy. (I-55). What a POS that thing is. It would often take me longer to get from the 294/55 junction to MDW than it took to get from Gurnee to that same junction.
Quote from: webny99 on February 22, 2023, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: 7/8 on February 22, 2023, 09:50:28 AM
Definitely the 401 heading east into Toronto. It's gotten better with the recent widening through Milton and Mississauga, but still, commuting to Toronto is much worse than anything within Waterloo Region.
I guess I hadn't been keeping up to date, is the big widening project on the 401 officially finished?
Yep, I assume it finished in December based on the article date.
https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/10810591-ontario-completes-highway-401-widening-from-milton-to-mississauga/ (https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/10810591-ontario-completes-highway-401-widening-from-milton-to-mississauga/)
Quote from: 7/8 on February 22, 2023, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 22, 2023, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: 7/8 on February 22, 2023, 09:50:28 AM
Definitely the 401 heading east into Toronto. It's gotten better with the recent widening through Milton and Mississauga, but still, commuting to Toronto is much worse than anything within Waterloo Region.
I guess I hadn't been keeping up to date, is the big widening project on the 401 officially finished?
Yep, I assume it finished in December based on the article date.
https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/10810591-ontario-completes-highway-401-widening-from-milton-to-mississauga/ (https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/10810591-ontario-completes-highway-401-widening-from-milton-to-mississauga/)
Great to see. I see there's already some Street View from December on part of it. Hopefully I get a chance to check it out soon!
In Charleston: I-26 eastbound in the AM from Summerville to downtown and pretty much the entire length of I-526 during rush hour. No real alternative routes for 526.
You at least have US 52 (Rivers Avenue) for 26.
All it takes is one accident to foul up the commute for the entire area. At least once a month it takes over an hour to go the 20 or so miles from Summerville. And a couple times a year you have a complete detour that effs up traffic all day.
SM-G998U
Madison: for a freeway, the Beltline by far. For a surface road, East Washington Ave.
Milwaukee: freeway, I-43 north of downtown. Surface road, Fond du Lac Ave.
Quote from: thspfc on February 23, 2023, 08:15:32 PM
Milwaukee: freeway, I-43 north of downtown. Surface road, Fond du Lac Ave.
Agree, this one is absurd: a 4 lane freeway serving as the only freeway link between a major city and it's north suburbs (and points beyond). That thing is a travesty that appears to be stuck in 1965. I've heard that it's to be widened but unless it's to 8 lanes, it won't be enough.
If that's not bad enough, there's the occasional shooting that takes place on what we can call Milwaukee's answer to the Dan Ryan.
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2023, 10:27:43 AM
Agree, this one is absurd: a 4 lane freeway serving as the only freeway link between a major city and it's north suburbs (and points beyond). That thing is a travesty that appears to be stuck in 1965. I've heard that it's to be widened but unless it's to 8 lanes, it won't be enough.
Been under construction for expansion to 6 lanes for over a year. Though they are starting up in Ozaukee County for some reason. Probably for staging reasons with the recent project to take out the viaduct over the former railyard by Koss.
Six lanes will be fine when it's all done. It's the drop from 6 to 4 at Silver Spring that strangles 43. That and a lack of aux lanes between ramps from North Ave thru Capitol.
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2023, 10:27:43 AMIf that's not bad enough, there's the occasional shooting that takes place on what we can call Milwaukee's answer to the Dan Ryan.
Oh pul-eease. That's such bullcrap to be worried about getting shot at on a freeway like that. You'll die a thousand times in a regular old car crash before some stray bullet comes near you driving thru "the ghetto".
Two roads that come to mind are US 5 in South Windsor and East Windsor, and Buckland Road in South Windsor and Manchester. Both are always busy. Both are underpowered for the amount of traffic that they carry. Both have too many signals.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 24, 2023, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2023, 10:27:43 AM
Agree, this one is absurd: a 4 lane freeway serving as the only freeway link between a major city and it's north suburbs (and points beyond). That thing is a travesty that appears to be stuck in 1965. I've heard that it's to be widened but unless it's to 8 lanes, it won't be enough.
Been under construction for expansion to 6 lanes for over a year. Though they are starting up in Ozaukee County for some reason. Probably for staging reasons with the recent project to take out the viaduct over the former railyard by Koss.
Six lanes will be fine when it's all done. It's the drop from 6 to 4 at Silver Spring that strangles 43. That and a lack of aux lanes between ramps from North Ave thru Capitol.
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2023, 10:27:43 AMIf that's not bad enough, there's the occasional shooting that takes place on what we can call Milwaukee's answer to the Dan Ryan.
Oh pul-eease. That's such bullcrap to be worried about getting shot at on a freeway like that. You'll die a thousand times in a regular old car crash before some stray bullet comes near you driving thru "the ghetto".
While the odds of getting shot at on the road are minimal, it's still a possibility. And sometimes you never know, if you accidentally cut someone off and piss them off enough...
Yes, I-43 is an atrocity north of downtown. It really discourages me from wanting to explore more in that direction. I've considered jumping over to I-41 before just to avoid it.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 24, 2023, 10:38:18 AM
Oh pul-eease. That's such bullcrap to be worried about getting shot at on a freeway like that. You'll die a thousand times in a regular old car crash before some stray bullet comes near you driving thru "the ghetto".
Eh, it's still a road through the worst section of a top 10 homicide rate city and I would avoid it at night - much like the Dan Ryan (ironically sited in a city with a lower homicide rate than Milwaukee).
I-5 through downtown Seattle seems pretty unappealing given how much it backs up. I-405 exists but isn't exactly the greatest alternate out there given how much traffic goes to Bellevue. I feel as though every time I go to Washington for a work trip I do whatever I can to avoid either if possible (such as using the ferry routes).
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 17, 2023, 10:19:30 AM
I-25 in Denver. About 20 miles of suck in both directions.
Agreed. Unfortunately, my company just moved to Inverness so I get to drive the I-25 funhouse every day from US 36 to County Line. I'll probably take 470 home since anytime after about 2 pm can be a $#!& show in central Denver.
Though if I had to drive I-270 through Commerce City every day, my head would explode.
Definitely I-495/Capital Beltway specifically at the Legion Bridge over the Potomac. I've had to do it on a few one-off occasions over the years going to my company's headquarters in Fairfax, and northbound in the afternoon can be absolutely miserable. I think on one of my absolute worst experiences in summer 2017, it took a good 30 minutes to travel the 7 miles from VA 267 to I-270 (for those keeping score, that's an average of 14 mph). 495NEXT is underway on the Virginia side, but all that'll do is push the bottleneck a few miles downstream until Marylanf ever does anything on its side (if it all).
Because no one ever gets shot on the freeway in the suburbs?
I'm sorry, but I'm calling bullshit on this. If anyone out there is such a scared little wuss that they won't drive on a FREEWAY through a city because they think someone is going to shoot at them, just go ahead and kindly fuck off forever. Turn off the right-wing radio and relax. That person clearly has zero ability to objectively assess actual threats and are simple buying into a narrative spoon-fed to them by zealots for fascism.
Frankly it's quite arrogant to think that one is so special that some "thug" is going to single them out among tens of thousands of vehicles whipping down the road for a random act of violence. It's an extremely stupid thing to worry about and those people who do, even a little bit, are stupid. If one is going to be worried about crime in the city, then fucking learn something about it; that it's rarely just some rando getting shot. It's almost always a preexisting dispute that comes to violence. "They" don't care about your timid, suburban ass driving along. You are not special. You are nobody. So don't pretend like they're going to come after you.
Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 03:07:50 PM
Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.
People got paranoid about that happening during the I-10 Sniper incidents in Phoenix.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 03:28:32 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 03:07:50 PM
Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.
People got paranoid about that happening during the I-10 Sniper incidents in Phoenix.
1 person was injured and nobody died. Now how many people are killed in car crashes every year?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 03:28:32 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 03:07:50 PM
Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.
People got paranoid about that happening during the I-10 Sniper incidents in Phoenix.
1 person was injured and nobody died. Now how many people are killed in car crashes every year?
I'm not saying it's logical. It was all over the news and got sensationalized.
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Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.
People got paranoid about that happening during the I-10 Sniper incidents in Phoenix.
1 person was injured and nobody died. Now how many people are killed in car crashes every year?
I'm not saying it's logical. It was all over the news and got sensationalized.
The vast majority of these sorts of incidents involve people who know each other. Your odds of being shot at on the freeway by some rando are basically zero.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 03:07:50 PM
Wait, people are actually worried about getting shot while driving on the freeway? What's the chances if that happening? Has to be much lower than the rates of dying in a normal car crash.
People got paranoid about that happening during the I-10 Sniper incidents in Phoenix.
1 person was injured and nobody died. Now how many people are killed in car crashes every year?
I'm not saying it's logical. It was all over the news and got sensationalized.
The vast majority of these sorts of incidents involve people who know each other. Your odds of being shot at on the freeway by some rando are basically zero.
The Phoenix incidents on I-10 was someone trying to be a sniper. It was someone who didn't really understand how ballistics worked with impact on glass.
Just found this for Chicago.
https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/
Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.
Two years ago, there was a guy riding a motorcycle on northbound CA 41 with his wife as the passenger. Someone rolled up to them in a car north of Elkhorn Avenue and blasted the wife off the back of the motorcycle with a gun shot out the passenger window. I drove by the homicide investigation scene shortly after it happened.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 24, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
Just found this for Chicago.
https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/
Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/
This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.
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Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 24, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
Just found this for Chicago.
https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/
Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/
This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.
That's what you don't understand about sensationalism. Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 24, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
Just found this for Chicago.
https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/
Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/
This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.
That's what you don't understand about sensationalism. Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.
I do understand how sensationalism works. I just want people to understand when it's happening and not fall for it.
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Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 24, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
Just found this for Chicago.
https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/
Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/
This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.
That's what you don't understand about sensationalism. Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.
I do understand how sensationalism works. I just want people to understand when it's happening and not fall for it.
You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the average person.
A road I would not want: a freeway with exits only every 3-5 miles.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 24, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
Just found this for Chicago.
https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/
Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/
This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.
That's what you don't understand about sensationalism. Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.
I do understand how sensationalism works. I just want people to understand when it's happening and not fall for it.
You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the average person.
Hopefully my fellow AAroads users are smarter than the average person.
Quote from: GaryV on February 24, 2023, 04:27:17 PM
A road I would not want: a freeway with exits only every 3-5 miles.
That's the norm around here. Of course, it doesn't hurt that much of the freeway goes through the desert a few miles north of town with a mile-wide arroyo/wadi between PS and I-10.
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Quote from: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2023, 10:27:43 AM
Agree, this one is absurd: a 4 lane freeway serving as the only freeway link between a major city and it's north suburbs (and points beyond). That thing is a travesty that appears to be stuck in 1965. I've heard that it's to be widened but unless it's to 8 lanes, it won't be enough.
Been under construction for expansion to 6 lanes for over a year. Though they are starting up in Ozaukee County for some reason. Probably for staging reasons with the recent project to take out the viaduct over the former railyard by Koss.
Six lanes will be fine when it's all done. It's the drop from 6 to 4 at Silver Spring that strangles 43. That and a lack of aux lanes between ramps from North Ave thru Capitol.
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2023, 10:27:43 AMIf that's not bad enough, there's the occasional shooting that takes place on what we can call Milwaukee's answer to the Dan Ryan.
Oh pul-eease. That's such bullcrap to be worried about getting shot at on a freeway like that. You'll die a thousand times in a regular old car crash before some stray bullet comes near you driving thru "the ghetto".
While the odds of getting shot at on the road are minimal, it's still a possibility. And sometimes you never know, if you accidentally cut someone off and piss them off enough...
This is the same flawed logic that lottery addicts use. "You know, I
could win a billion dollars . . . "
And the area around the I-43 corridor isn't even that bad. North Ave and Locust St are exits I wouldn't take at night, but other than that it's actually quite nice.
As of now, the road itself simply sucks. The area around Silver Spring in particular is a mess of traffic.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 24, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
Just found this for Chicago.
https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/
Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/
This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.
That's what you don't understand about sensationalism. Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.
I do understand how sensationalism works. I just want people to understand when it's happening and not fall for it.
You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the average person.
Hopefully my fellow AAroads users are smarter than the average person.
Probably true, but dudes like this sure counterbalance things, don't they?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13802
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 24, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
Just found this for Chicago.
https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-30-injured-in-bishop-ford-freeway-shooting/
Granted, it was on the Bishop Ford Fwy on the south side, at around 11pm. But it does happen, and to not be at least aware of the possibility is naive.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/loving-family-mother-4-children-who-were-among-7-killed-in-wrong-way-crash-remembered/2903507/
This happened in uber safe I-90 in very white McHenry County. Shit can happen anywhere. What I'm saying are that thos isolated cases are not really the norm.
That's what you don't understand about sensationalism. Once a news story catches on and it captures the public imagination it tends to blow up even if it is some sort of unlikely danger.
I do understand how sensationalism works. I just want people to understand when it's happening and not fall for it.
You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the average person.
Hopefully my fellow AAroads users are smarter than the average person.
Probably true, but dudes like this sure counterbalance things, don't they?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13802
And a certain Long Island dweller who I won't mention.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 07:36:25 PM
And a certain Long Island dweller who I won't mention.
Mike2357?
Any road in India.
Ok, UP 62 in Agra will be the stand in.
Heavy mixed use traffic. Lane markings are suggestions. Intersections are free for alls.
U turns required for a number of maneuvers.
Scooter riders riding the wrong way down a carriageway.
Driver indication virtually non-existent.
Elevated metro construction in the median.
Signals only observed for straight through traffic.
Vehicles turning from far lanes and cutting off traffic.
Taj Mahal and Fort Agra tourist traffic.
I-4 in and around Champions Gate, Florida. Bottlenecks during most of the late PM and evenings as well as the AM drive due to the bedroom communities in the area as well as Polk County residents working in Orlando. There are no alternates thanks to development on those once viable alternatives as they are just as overcrowded as the interstate now.
It's a drive I hardly recommend.
Quote from: Rothman on February 17, 2023, 06:57:01 AM
Being afraid of one-way streets is interesting. When I lived in San Francisco, I was impressed by how the grid was set up, especially with careful thought for intersections with no left turns, sending traffic around right turn blocks.
I'm not afraid of them, but they are pretty annoying if you're not familiar with the area, and/or if you are trying to get to a particular "you can't get there from there" type of spot.