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Started by Tom89t, January 14, 2012, 01:01:45 AM

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SignBridge

Quote from: roadman65 on March 13, 2024, 01:16:48 PM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SjeXwFKNB2rXzarF8
This right turn signal in Augusta, GA looks like a ramp meter onto a freeway. Two section with no green though.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TFnA2S36AAgdqgvB7

I think that is a ramp metering signal, based on the instructions on the sign.


Big John

#5251
Quote from: SignBridge on March 13, 2024, 08:22:23 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 13, 2024, 01:16:48 PM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SjeXwFKNB2rXzarF8
This right turn signal in Augusta, GA looks like a ramp meter onto a freeway. Two section with no green though.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TFnA2S36AAgdqgvB7

I think that is a ramp metering signal, based on the instructions on the sign.
Panning the 2nd link shows it to be a channelized right turn lane of an intersection with the signal in the island.

And they use the British term "amber" for "yellow".

jakeroot

I didn't think anything of the sign when I read it, even though it says "amber". That's a good catch; definitely not the standard terminology.

It might have been had we decided to use the term "flashing amber arrow" (FAA...lol).

jeffandnicole

Quote from: Big John on March 13, 2024, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on March 13, 2024, 08:22:23 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 13, 2024, 01:16:48 PM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SjeXwFKNB2rXzarF8
This right turn signal in Augusta, GA looks like a ramp meter onto a freeway. Two section with no green though.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TFnA2S36AAgdqgvB7

I think that is a ramp metering signal, based on the instructions on the sign.
Panning the 2nd link shows it to be a channelized right turn lane of an intersection with the signal in the island.

And they use the British term "amber" for "yellow".

Looking back, it's been there since 2012.  And at the time the lights were both on the left and right until, I assume, the light on the right was hit and never replaced.

roadfro

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 13, 2024, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 13, 2024, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on March 13, 2024, 08:22:23 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 13, 2024, 01:16:48 PM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SjeXwFKNB2rXzarF8
This right turn signal in Augusta, GA looks like a ramp meter onto a freeway. Two section with no green though.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TFnA2S36AAgdqgvB7

I think that is a ramp metering signal, based on the instructions on the sign.
Panning the 2nd link shows it to be a channelized right turn lane of an intersection with the signal in the island.

And they use the British term "amber" for "yellow".

Looking back, it's been there since 2012.  And at the time the lights were both on the left and right until, I assume, the light on the right was hit and never replaced.

I wonder why this would need a meter and not just have a yield sign...  :hmmm:
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

mglass87

#5255
Here's an interesting signal setup:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/7Q4RzDWYApcxqm7L6

Not only is this a combination of span wire and mast arm, but the signals to the left are installed to the pole very strangely. As far as I know, this setup has always been like this.

A closer look at the left signal:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WvD2K4VCahta8y5M9

freebrickproductions

There's an empty bracket for a signal on the left-hand mast arm. I'm guessing the span-wire hung signal there was originally mounted to that arm, but was later moved for visibility purposes. I'm not sure where the other span-wire signal originally was, as there doesn't seem to be any available mounts for it and I assume that all of the signals there are of about the same age (as they're all LFEs).

RIP to this classic bimodal (neon?) pedestrian signal that used to be there though:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3019589,-77.2872312,3a,15y,330.3h,95.9t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjyT_D1cEkFWcz9U1gUSNMA!2e0!5s20080501T000000!7i3328!8i1664?entry=ttu
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mrsman

Quote from: roadfro on March 15, 2024, 10:41:13 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 13, 2024, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 13, 2024, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on March 13, 2024, 08:22:23 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 13, 2024, 01:16:48 PM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SjeXwFKNB2rXzarF8
This right turn signal in Augusta, GA looks like a ramp meter onto a freeway. Two section with no green though.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TFnA2S36AAgdqgvB7

I think that is a ramp metering signal, based on the instructions on the sign.
Panning the 2nd link shows it to be a channelized right turn lane of an intersection with the signal in the island.

And they use the British term "amber" for "yellow".

Looking back, it's been there since 2012.  And at the time the lights were both on the left and right until, I assume, the light on the right was hit and never replaced.

I wonder why this would need a meter and not just have a yield sign...  :hmmm:

While nearly all metering signals are at freeway entrance ramps, there are other purposes for them.

I would think that over here, the red light prevents people from turning during such times that would overload the street that's coming ahead.  The next intersection is a big one where US 1 meets US 78.  Plus, there may also be concerns for the traffic that would be exiting the mall, when the mall was open.

I know of another metering signal that is close to a traffic circle that is also designed to limit the traffic circle from being overloaded.

Here is a traffic circle at Snowden River Parkway and the ramps to the MD-100 freeway in Columbia, MD.  It is basically a T-intersection to regulate the traffic control between traffic exiting westbound MD-100 for Snowden and traffic from Snowden entering westbound MD-100.  During busy times, the metering signal limits the amount of traffic into the circle, which prevents backups from the freeway exit backing up the freeway.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2122589,-76.7957032,3a,75y,99.77h,79.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spZ89WZDBlrDwcMucmap2Ew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu


roadman65

https://maps.app.goo.gl/W4RzwAtbahfMLknR8
I see LVNV uses 3M signals on Tropicana at Dean Martin.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

roadfro

Quote from: roadman65 on March 18, 2024, 09:42:20 PM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/W4RzwAtbahfMLknR8
I see LVNV uses 3M signals on Tropicana at Dean Martin.

Not even sure why. These signals are (were) not that close to the signals at the I-15 interchange...
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

plain

Quote from: roadfro on March 22, 2024, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 18, 2024, 09:42:20 PM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/W4RzwAtbahfMLknR8
I see LVNV uses 3M signals on Tropicana at Dean Martin.

Not even sure why. These signals are (were) not that close to the signals at the I-15 interchange...

They might have them there to deter speeding. I've seen it done before. One would have to see which phase is active before proceeding.
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LilianaUwU

Quote from: plain on March 22, 2024, 06:22:37 PM
They might have them there to deter speeding. I've seen it done before. One would have to see which phase is active before proceeding.
Isn't using traffic signals (and stop signs) for speed control disallowed?
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thenetwork

Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 22, 2024, 07:59:45 PM
Quote from: plain on March 22, 2024, 06:22:37 PM
They might have them there to deter speeding. I've seen it done before. One would have to see which phase is active before proceeding.
Isn't using traffic signals (and stop signs) for speed control disallowed?
If that were the case, EVERY municipality's signals on main routes would always be in perfect synchronization.

There are towns that can and will "mis-time" a string of intersections to "control" traffic to their liking.  It's harder to catch them in the act with traffic lights like you can with stop signs.

roadfro

Quote from: plain on March 22, 2024, 06:22:37 PM
Quote from: roadfro on March 22, 2024, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 18, 2024, 09:42:20 PM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/W4RzwAtbahfMLknR8
I see LVNV uses 3M signals on Tropicana at Dean Martin.

Not even sure why. These signals are (were) not that close to the signals at the I-15 interchange...

They might have them there to deter speeding. I've seen it done before. One would have to see which phase is active before proceeding.

Why here only and not more widespread use then, if this indeed is the reason?
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

roadman65

https://maps.app.goo.gl/obAzRWKPd6zBwPUM8
I see the horizontal mounts are used here even though the underpass is several hundred feet away that its installation is the reason here.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

jeffandnicole

Quote from: plain on March 22, 2024, 06:22:37 PM
Quote from: roadfro on March 22, 2024, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 18, 2024, 09:42:20 PMhttps://maps.app.goo.gl/W4RzwAtbahfMLknR8
I see LVNV uses 3M signals on Tropicana at Dean Martin.

Not even sure why. These signals are (were) not that close to the signals at the I-15 interchange...

They might have them there to deter speeding. I've seen it done before. One would have to see which phase is active before proceeding.

Per the GSVs prior to the preceding light, the lights are clearly visible, so that isn't the reason here. https://maps.app.goo.gl/QoGcxqFWaMbSiiQA9

PColumbus73


freebrickproductions

Quote from: PColumbus73 on March 26, 2024, 07:53:34 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 25, 2024, 03:09:35 PMhttps://maps.app.goo.gl/obAzRWKPd6zBwPUM8
I see the horizontal mounts are used here even though the underpass is several hundred feet away that its installation is the reason here.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Norwich,+CT/@41.4410045,-72.1166214,3a,39.4y,287.81h,107.59t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDQ-BW4zuGACKzGgE9mrSKQ!2e0!5s20210901T000000!7i16384!8i8192!4m7!3m6!1s0x89e67142cb928715:0xad54fb696edfe305!8m2!3d41.5242649!4d-72.0759105!10e5!16zL20vMDFtMjRt?entry=ttu

I'm more interested in the two 8" louvered signals that don't seem to make sense

I think this button is related to that. It seems the 8 inch signals are being used as some kind of diagonal pedestrian crossing, but, for some reason, are aimed at the nearsides rather than across the intersection, which probably makes them rather hard to see.
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D-Dey65

Does anybody remember me mentioning the dead end traffic signals of New York City? This one is on City Island in the Bronx.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8524513,-73.7871995,3a,75y,60.36h,94.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA79FUcuaEFWWHdqZRlZ3Lg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu



CJResotko

An interesting temporary traffic light setup at the southbound Holt Road exit on US-127 in Michigan.
https://youtu.be/wwuLxP35On0?si=NC57-Ysdp7x8E_I0

CJResotko

Apparently, there are a lot of abandoned worded pedestrian signals within the town of Bellaire, Ohio.
The intersections they're at used to be controlled by traffic signals, but they all got removed sometime between 2009 and 2015, and they left the pedestrian signals behind (along with overhead signs at some intersections). I found 9 intersections that are like this!
Here's just one of them: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0119205,-80.7441845,3a,15y,82.84h,93.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfbZcXniGb53uaVDOOc5ypw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

wanderer2575

Quote from: CJResotko on April 01, 2024, 10:51:01 AMAn interesting temporary traffic light setup at the southbound Holt Road exit on US-127 in Michigan.
https://youtu.be/wwuLxP35On0?si=NC57-Ysdp7x8E_I0

Not to derail the topic, but the interesting thing here that necessitates the temporary traffic signal is the appropriation of a wbd Holt Road lane as a nonstop Texas U-turn.  The ramp from sbd US-127/I-496 to ebd I-96 is closed; the detour is to continue south, exit at Holt Road and U-turn to nbd US-127, and use its ramp to ebd I-96.

thenetwork

Quote from: CJResotko on May 27, 2024, 05:48:38 PMApparently, there are a lot of abandoned worded pedestrian signals within the town of Bellaire, Ohio.
The intersections they're at used to be controlled by traffic signals, but they all got removed sometime between 2009 and 2015, and they left the pedestrian signals behind (along with overhead signs at some intersections). I found 9 intersections that are like this!
Here's just one of them: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0119205,-80.7441845,3a,15y,82.84h,93.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfbZcXniGb53uaVDOOc5ypw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

I wonder if you can contact the city and ask if you could "dis-assemble" one for a small donation to the city?

Personally, those are a little too modern for my tastes.  I would jump at the chance if they were older metal crossing fixtures.

ErmineNotyours

T-intersection, the left lane turns left only, the right lane turns right only.  Yet there are two left turn light assemblies and only one for the right lane and turn.  I thought the right turn was supposed to get the redundancy.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/wemEMqtz6B6n3tcKA

Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 28, 2024, 01:22:11 AMDoes anybody remember me mentioning the dead end traffic signals of New York City? This one is on City Island in the Bronx.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8524513,-73.7871995,3a,75y,60.36h,94.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA79FUcuaEFWWHdqZRlZ3Lg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu


Alternate flashing red beacons for a road end at a boat ramp: https://maps.app.goo.gl/3o4ssYHV2QHy34Rs7

roadfro

Quote from: ErmineNotyours on May 27, 2024, 11:36:08 PMT-intersection, the left lane turns left only, the right lane turns right only.  Yet there are two left turn light assemblies and only one for the right lane and turn.  I thought the right turn was supposed to get the redundancy.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/wemEMqtz6B6n3tcKA
I assume the left turn is the prevailing movement here. MUTCD says if there is not a through movement on an approach, then the dominant movement must have two primary signal faces.

In my view, though, every signalized movement should have at least two signal faces for redundancy.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.



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