Title: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
All throughout our lives many of us have seen road come and go, sign and route changes, freeway additions, and old practices put to rest by the FHWA and MUTCD, lets have a thread where we can all recall something from many years ago that no longer exists. Of course many of us are different ages here that makes the fun as to the younger road enthusiasts will recall ancient stuff to them that are going to be recent to us who are over 40, so it will sound most interesting this way.
I will start by saying that I must be old because I remember these:
New Jersey
The Garden State Parkway used to use exit tabs without the word "EXIT" and had the exit gore sign with its arrow within a circle. In addition the NJDOT sections of the Parkway at Toms River and Northern Middlesex and most of Union County used LGSes for exit guides with the at exit sign in the gore of the ramp diverge.
NJ 17 had traffic signals north of US 46.
NJ roadways were concrete and used cable guard rails wired to white cement posts.
The NJ Turnpike used neon speed limit signs.
The Garden State Parkway allowed 60 mph north of Toms River and only 65 mph south of Toms River.
US 1 and US 130 originally had a traffic circle prior to the former intersection that was interchanged several years ago.
US 1 used US 1 Business into the Brunswick Circle to enter the Trenton Freeway from Strawberry Street.
US 22 only had two traffic signals between Somerville and Clinton: Country Club Road in Bridgewater and Cokesbury Road in Lebanon with flashing beacons in Whitehouse for CR 523.
Morristown, NJ had all double guy traffic signals and I-287 was incomplete north of Basking Ridge and South of NJ 10. All traffic clogged US 202 in Morristown. In addition there were no exit numbers on I-287 and LGSes were used instead of BGSes as guides between Montvale (the original North terminus) and NJ 10.
In Short Hills/ Summit both River Road/ JFK Parkway and NJ 24 met at grade and there was no freeway.
In Watchung, NJ I-78 terminated at Drift Road (Exit 41) with a barricade forcing all motorists off the freeway going eastbound.
NJDOT used white square shields for NJ Secondary 500 series routes. Morris County was the first to use the present gold on blue shields and to actually sign their roadways as many counties did not!
In Woodbridge, NJ I remember when both US 9 and the Garden State Parkway were reversed in their alignments through the massive tangle. US 9 was in the median of the Parkway instead of the GSP being in the middle of US 9 like it is now.
I remember when NJ 23 had only two stoplights between Stockholm, NJ and the NY State Line along the present two lane road: NJ 94 and Downtown Sussex where NJ 23 currently changes alignment.
NJ 94 had no stoplights from its southern terminus at Columbia to US 206 in Newton and furthermore only had one stoplight north of NJ 15 at NJ 23 in Hamburg. NJ 94 and CR 515 in Vernon had a flashing beacon and northbound NJ 94 had to STOP while CR 515 was free flowing and flashed yellow.
Florida
I remember when county routes were shielded with State route shields and the prefix "S".
I remember when I-4 was 4 lanes completely through Orlando and there were no businesses as we know it now near Disney.
I remember when US 192 and World Drive were the only way to enter the Magic Kingdom as the rest of Reedy Creek was not built. World Drive was a rural freeway from 192 to the Parking Lot Toll booth and PARKING AT THE MAGIC KINGDOM WAS 50 CENTS!
I remember all Florida interstates having NO EXIT NUMBERS and State Routes were signed as "Fla XX" in text on guide signs.
I remember when I-75 terminated at malfunction junction in Tampa and I-275 was only signed south of I-4 because the current I-75 south of Exit 275 was not constructed. I-275 was signed as such because it was indeed the defacto route until the early 80's.
I remember when US 41 south of Gibsonton was rural and Apollo Beach had no development and the current bayside hotel was a Holiday Inn.
I remember when SR 482 was FL 528 and the Beachline was under construction west of current Exit 8. Also the Airport mainline toll plaza was not there as FL 528 was an arterial from Boggy Creek Road (not built yet north of Taft) to FL 436.
I, of course, remember all US routes to have colored shields.
I remember when I-10 off of I-95 was a left exit going southbound and the St. Johns River Bridge was tolled.
I also remember when SR 472 in Orange City, FL and SR 551 in Orlando were both SR 15A.
I even remember when SR 408 was shielded with a shield that had an orange on it with EAST WEST Expressway stamped into it and it terminated at Pine Hills (that being a bedroom community then) just west of SR 435 at grade!
I also saw SR 435 having no stoplight at International Drive and Vineland Road despite those two intersections are heavily traveled through near the current Universal Resort.
I especially remembered SR 535 and US 192 intersecting at a wye intersection just east of where the two meet now.
I remembered even in late 1989 when US 192 had no stoplights west of I-4 with its westermost signal being just east of I-4 where Celebration Place is now.
There is a lot I can remember that some of you all will not believe, but this is it for now.
I will start by saying that I must be old because I remember these:
New Jersey
The Garden State Parkway used to use exit tabs without the word "EXIT" and had the exit gore sign with its arrow within a circle. In addition the NJDOT sections of the Parkway at Toms River and Northern Middlesex and most of Union County used LGSes for exit guides with the at exit sign in the gore of the ramp diverge.
NJ 17 had traffic signals north of US 46.
NJ roadways were concrete and used cable guard rails wired to white cement posts.
The NJ Turnpike used neon speed limit signs.
The Garden State Parkway allowed 60 mph north of Toms River and only 65 mph south of Toms River.
US 1 and US 130 originally had a traffic circle prior to the former intersection that was interchanged several years ago.
US 1 used US 1 Business into the Brunswick Circle to enter the Trenton Freeway from Strawberry Street.
US 22 only had two traffic signals between Somerville and Clinton: Country Club Road in Bridgewater and Cokesbury Road in Lebanon with flashing beacons in Whitehouse for CR 523.
Morristown, NJ had all double guy traffic signals and I-287 was incomplete north of Basking Ridge and South of NJ 10. All traffic clogged US 202 in Morristown. In addition there were no exit numbers on I-287 and LGSes were used instead of BGSes as guides between Montvale (the original North terminus) and NJ 10.
In Short Hills/ Summit both River Road/ JFK Parkway and NJ 24 met at grade and there was no freeway.
In Watchung, NJ I-78 terminated at Drift Road (Exit 41) with a barricade forcing all motorists off the freeway going eastbound.
NJDOT used white square shields for NJ Secondary 500 series routes. Morris County was the first to use the present gold on blue shields and to actually sign their roadways as many counties did not!
In Woodbridge, NJ I remember when both US 9 and the Garden State Parkway were reversed in their alignments through the massive tangle. US 9 was in the median of the Parkway instead of the GSP being in the middle of US 9 like it is now.
I remember when NJ 23 had only two stoplights between Stockholm, NJ and the NY State Line along the present two lane road: NJ 94 and Downtown Sussex where NJ 23 currently changes alignment.
NJ 94 had no stoplights from its southern terminus at Columbia to US 206 in Newton and furthermore only had one stoplight north of NJ 15 at NJ 23 in Hamburg. NJ 94 and CR 515 in Vernon had a flashing beacon and northbound NJ 94 had to STOP while CR 515 was free flowing and flashed yellow.
Florida
I remember when county routes were shielded with State route shields and the prefix "S".
I remember when I-4 was 4 lanes completely through Orlando and there were no businesses as we know it now near Disney.
I remember when US 192 and World Drive were the only way to enter the Magic Kingdom as the rest of Reedy Creek was not built. World Drive was a rural freeway from 192 to the Parking Lot Toll booth and PARKING AT THE MAGIC KINGDOM WAS 50 CENTS!
I remember all Florida interstates having NO EXIT NUMBERS and State Routes were signed as "Fla XX" in text on guide signs.
I remember when I-75 terminated at malfunction junction in Tampa and I-275 was only signed south of I-4 because the current I-75 south of Exit 275 was not constructed. I-275 was signed as such because it was indeed the defacto route until the early 80's.
I remember when US 41 south of Gibsonton was rural and Apollo Beach had no development and the current bayside hotel was a Holiday Inn.
I remember when SR 482 was FL 528 and the Beachline was under construction west of current Exit 8. Also the Airport mainline toll plaza was not there as FL 528 was an arterial from Boggy Creek Road (not built yet north of Taft) to FL 436.
I, of course, remember all US routes to have colored shields.
I remember when I-10 off of I-95 was a left exit going southbound and the St. Johns River Bridge was tolled.
I also remember when SR 472 in Orange City, FL and SR 551 in Orlando were both SR 15A.
I even remember when SR 408 was shielded with a shield that had an orange on it with EAST WEST Expressway stamped into it and it terminated at Pine Hills (that being a bedroom community then) just west of SR 435 at grade!
I also saw SR 435 having no stoplight at International Drive and Vineland Road despite those two intersections are heavily traveled through near the current Universal Resort.
I especially remembered SR 535 and US 192 intersecting at a wye intersection just east of where the two meet now.
I remembered even in late 1989 when US 192 had no stoplights west of I-4 with its westermost signal being just east of I-4 where Celebration Place is now.
There is a lot I can remember that some of you all will not believe, but this is it for now.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: NE2 on August 17, 2013, 08:09:02 PM
Post by: NE2 on August 17, 2013, 08:09:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 07:29:40 PMThose were secondary state roads. County roads were supposed to have the S covered by a C.
I remember when county routes were shielded with State route shields and the prefix "S".
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 08:16:04 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 08:16:04 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 17, 2013, 08:09:02 PMI actually remembered both. In Sanford on FL 46 at CR 15 it was signed FL C-15, but CR 535 in LBV was FL S-535 until the state took over it south of I-4 and made it FL 535. Even former FL 528A was FL S-528A at one point after the western 8 of the Beachline opened in 73. I do not know if the state took it over when FL 528A was changed to FL 482 or before, but it was not state maintained, or I would think, for a short while when it was signed as FL S-528A.Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 07:29:40 PMThose were secondary state roads. County roads were supposed to have the S covered by a C.
I remember when county routes were shielded with State route shields and the prefix "S".
Anyway, are not county and secondary pretty much the same thing? I would assume that being a secondary meant it was county all along as the name "secondary" no longer exists.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Brian556 on August 17, 2013, 08:20:26 PM
Post by: Brian556 on August 17, 2013, 08:20:26 PM
QuoteI definitely appreciate your Florida memories.
Florida
I remember when county routes were shielded with State route shields and the prefix "S".
I remember when I-4 was 4 lanes completely through Orlando and there were no businesses as we know it now near Disney.
I remember when US 192 and World Drive were the only way to enter the Magic Kingdom as the rest of Reedy Creek was not built. World Drive was a rural freeway from 192 to the Parking Lot Toll booth and PARKING AT THE MAGIC KINGDOM WAS 50 CENTS!
I remember all Florida interstates having NO EXIT NUMBERS and State Routes were signed as "Fla XX" in text on guide signs.
I remember when I-75 terminated at malfunction junction in Tampa and I-275 was only signed south of I-4 because the current I-75 south of Exit 275 was not constructed. I-275 was signed as such because it was indeed the defacto route until the early 80's.
I remember when US 41 south of Gibsonton was rural and Apollo Beach had no development and the current bayside hotel was a Holiday Inn.
I remember when SR 482 was FL 528 and the Beachline was under construction west of current Exit 8. Also the Airport mainline toll plaza was not there as FL 528 was an arterial from Boggy Creek Road (not built yet north of Taft) to FL 436.
I, of course, remember all US routes to have colored shields.
I remember when I-10 off of I-95 was a left exit going southbound and the St. Johns River Bridge was tolled.
I also remember when SR 472 in Orange City, FL and SR 551 in Orlando were both SR 15A.
I even remember when SR 408 was shielded with a shield that had an orange on it with EAST WEST Expressway stamped into it and it terminated at Pine Hills (that being a bedroom community then) just west of SR 435 at grade!
I also saw SR 435 having no stoplight at International Drive and Vineland Road despite those two intersections are heavily traveled through near the current Universal Resort.
I especially remembered SR 535 and US 192 intersecting at a wye intersection just east of where the two meet now.
I remembered even in late 1989 when US 192 had no stoplights west of I-4 with its westermost signal being just east of I-4 where Celebration Place is now.
There is a lot I can remember that some of you all will not believe, but this is it for now.
I don't think I've ever seen a pic of a Florida BGS with a textual SR designation on it.
My father lived in the Orlando area from 1990-1997.
Here's what I remember:
Almost all the abandoned railroads still being in place.
Colored US shields.
The E-W Expwy and Beeline markers.
Type B lights had giant metal battery cases
Folding barricades were the most common channeling device; it barrels now.
US 192 was four lane rural divided (no curb/gutter)
Traffic really wasn't bad like it is now.
CR 439 was two lane from SR 50 to Windermere.
My father mentioned he remembered the old RR Bridge over the FL Turnpike at what is now the E-W Expwy interchange.
The one thing that hasn't changed...Publix is basically the only grocery store you see in FL.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: TheStranger on August 17, 2013, 08:26:55 PM
Post by: TheStranger on August 17, 2013, 08:26:55 PM
Just yesterday I was telling a friend about the 55 NMSL - which she has no memory of!
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: FightingIrish on August 17, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
Post by: FightingIrish on August 17, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
I remember the HoJo's that spanned across the Tri-State Tollway in Illinois.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mUtcd33 on August 17, 2013, 09:03:24 PM
Post by: mUtcd33 on August 17, 2013, 09:03:24 PM
Heres what I remember:
When Sullivan Trl. in Easton, PA still had PA-115 signs on it (not sure if it was officially decommissioned or not; the signs were still there)
When PA-309 in Schecksville was only 2-3 lanes
When PA-100 near Fogelsville and Trexlertown had no industrial park entrances off it
When you had to drive through Trexlertown on PA-100 or US-222
When US-222 near Reading was the "Road to Nowhere", and it really led nowhere (I was very young)
When the PA Turnpike Northeast Ext. went from PA-9 to I-476 (again, I was very young)
When the PA-33/US-22 interchange was incomplete
Before I was born:
I-78 was routed on US-22 through the Lehigh Valley
When PA-378 was I-378 (I'm 99% sure this is true) and it didn't go all the way to Center Valley
When there were proposals to build I-178 in Allentown
When the proposed I-78 was listed on maps as a dashed line going SOUTH of Emmaus (not routed with PA-309, which was in fact built before I-78)
When Lehigh Street and Chestnut Street in South Allentown and Emmaus was PA-229
When there were FAR fewer stoplights at any place in the Valley (Save for Allentown and Bethlehem proper)
When Sullivan Trl. in Easton, PA still had PA-115 signs on it (not sure if it was officially decommissioned or not; the signs were still there)
When PA-309 in Schecksville was only 2-3 lanes
When PA-100 near Fogelsville and Trexlertown had no industrial park entrances off it
When you had to drive through Trexlertown on PA-100 or US-222
When US-222 near Reading was the "Road to Nowhere", and it really led nowhere (I was very young)
When the PA Turnpike Northeast Ext. went from PA-9 to I-476 (again, I was very young)
When the PA-33/US-22 interchange was incomplete
Before I was born:
I-78 was routed on US-22 through the Lehigh Valley
When PA-378 was I-378 (I'm 99% sure this is true) and it didn't go all the way to Center Valley
When there were proposals to build I-178 in Allentown
When the proposed I-78 was listed on maps as a dashed line going SOUTH of Emmaus (not routed with PA-309, which was in fact built before I-78)
When Lehigh Street and Chestnut Street in South Allentown and Emmaus was PA-229
When there were FAR fewer stoplights at any place in the Valley (Save for Allentown and Bethlehem proper)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: NE2 on August 17, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
Post by: NE2 on August 17, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 08:16:04 PMSecondary was a different level of funding and maintenance.
Anyway, are not county and secondary pretty much the same thing? I would assume that being a secondary meant it was county all along as the name "secondary" no longer exists.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Ffl%2Fus_441%2F424a.jpg&hash=fbe6da6518aa7f3656133bd4e34eeba0fdc7dca9)
Michael Summa, 1971, from http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/fl/us_441/
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: OracleUsr on August 17, 2013, 11:35:01 PM
Post by: OracleUsr on August 17, 2013, 11:35:01 PM
From NC:
1. When they had rudimentary Variable Speed Limit signs in the Smokies (said either "SPEED LIMIT 55" or "SPEED LIMIT 35 FOG"
2. Green tabs on auxiliary signs in Asheville
3. 8" signals in High Point with elongated yellow lamp hoods.
4. Double ground-mounted BGS' (one on each side of the road in advance of left exits).
5. When I-40's exits remained unnumbered in large chunks in the mid-west and western part of the state, even through the late 80's.
6. When "Fines Creek" used to be a word salad (I think it used to say Fines Creek/Great Smoky Mountains Nat'l Park)...or "Harmon Den" saying "Harmon Den/Game Refuge"
From South Carolina:
1. Final BGS' saying "NEXT RIGHT" instead of having an arrow.
2. Gore signs of such weird designs that would make a MUTCD purist gag (case in point: Exit 40 off I-85 Southbound--SC 153/Easley--had the number 40 with a raised "0", looking like it was saying EXIT 4 DEGREES)
3. STOP AHEAD signs with the larger "STOP" wording (am I the only one who remembers these?? Even the SC DOT had no idea what I was talking about!!!)
1. When they had rudimentary Variable Speed Limit signs in the Smokies (said either "SPEED LIMIT 55" or "SPEED LIMIT 35 FOG"
2. Green tabs on auxiliary signs in Asheville
3. 8" signals in High Point with elongated yellow lamp hoods.
4. Double ground-mounted BGS' (one on each side of the road in advance of left exits).
5. When I-40's exits remained unnumbered in large chunks in the mid-west and western part of the state, even through the late 80's.
6. When "Fines Creek" used to be a word salad (I think it used to say Fines Creek/Great Smoky Mountains Nat'l Park)...or "Harmon Den" saying "Harmon Den/Game Refuge"
From South Carolina:
1. Final BGS' saying "NEXT RIGHT" instead of having an arrow.
2. Gore signs of such weird designs that would make a MUTCD purist gag (case in point: Exit 40 off I-85 Southbound--SC 153/Easley--had the number 40 with a raised "0", looking like it was saying EXIT 4 DEGREES)
3. STOP AHEAD signs with the larger "STOP" wording (am I the only one who remembers these?? Even the SC DOT had no idea what I was talking about!!!)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hbelkins on August 18, 2013, 12:07:45 AM
Post by: hbelkins on August 18, 2013, 12:07:45 AM
US 301's split into suffixed routes.
US 31E and 31W entering Indiana.
US 460 entering Indiana and Illinois.
US 227.
I-81 having an unfinished gap at Wytheville.
US 31E and 31W entering Indiana.
US 460 entering Indiana and Illinois.
US 227.
I-81 having an unfinished gap at Wytheville.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 12:14:08 AM
Post by: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 18, 2013, 12:07:45 AMAre you sure it was a suffixed split and not merely northbound and southbound on different alignments?
US 301's split into suffixed routes.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: JustDrive on August 18, 2013, 12:24:12 AM
Post by: JustDrive on August 18, 2013, 12:24:12 AM
I-215 signed as Temp 15
The 7 and 11 freeways
The 5/91 interchange having left exits and entrances
The 126 east of Santa Paula being a two-lane road
101 having stoplights in downtown Santa Barbara
The unfinished ramps at the 118/23 interchange
17 being signed all the way to San Rafael
480's existence
Macy Street and Brooklyn Avenue in Los Angeles
Santa Barbara Avenue instead of MLK Blvd
Parkway Calabasas being signed as "Craftsman Road" on the 101
Johnson Drive in Ventura being signed as "Sherwin Avenue" on the 101
Getty Center Drive being signed as "Chalon Road" on the 405
The Waterford Street off and onramps on the 405 in Brentwood
125 in La Mesa being a glorified transition road.
905 signed as 117
And my favorite:
The NB 170 ramp to NB 5 was a left entrance.
The 7 and 11 freeways
The 5/91 interchange having left exits and entrances
The 126 east of Santa Paula being a two-lane road
101 having stoplights in downtown Santa Barbara
The unfinished ramps at the 118/23 interchange
17 being signed all the way to San Rafael
480's existence
Macy Street and Brooklyn Avenue in Los Angeles
Santa Barbara Avenue instead of MLK Blvd
Parkway Calabasas being signed as "Craftsman Road" on the 101
Johnson Drive in Ventura being signed as "Sherwin Avenue" on the 101
Getty Center Drive being signed as "Chalon Road" on the 405
The Waterford Street off and onramps on the 405 in Brentwood
125 in La Mesa being a glorified transition road.
905 signed as 117
And my favorite:
The NB 170 ramp to NB 5 was a left entrance.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on August 18, 2013, 01:12:19 AM
Post by: roadman65 on August 18, 2013, 01:12:19 AM
I-95 in North Carolina being incomplete around Fayetteville where US 301 was the main road.
I-95 between Gold Rock and Kenly being incompleted as well and US 301 again filling the temporary gap.
Waiting in traffic to cross the then two lane Eugene Talmage Bridge in Savanah, GA because I-95 was not built from Hardeeville, SC to I-16 at Pooler.
I-95 also not being completed around Brunswick, GA and from Emporia, VA to just south of Petersburg. The former used two lane GA 303, while at least the latter had four laned US 301 with only one stoplight at Stoney Creek.
I-95 between Gold Rock and Kenly being incompleted as well and US 301 again filling the temporary gap.
Waiting in traffic to cross the then two lane Eugene Talmage Bridge in Savanah, GA because I-95 was not built from Hardeeville, SC to I-16 at Pooler.
I-95 also not being completed around Brunswick, GA and from Emporia, VA to just south of Petersburg. The former used two lane GA 303, while at least the latter had four laned US 301 with only one stoplight at Stoney Creek.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 01:35:25 AM
Post by: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 01:35:25 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 18, 2013, 01:12:19 AM(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usends.com%2FFocus%2FBrunswickGA%2F017_nb_1973.jpg&hash=712ab40818c01842f57b8f97d331924b183234df)
I-95 also not being completed around Brunswick, GA and from Emporia, VA to just south of Petersburg. The former used two lane GA 303, while at least the latter had four laned US 301 with only one stoplight at Stoney Creek.
Michael Summa, 1973, from http://www.usends.com/Focus/BrunswickGA/index.html
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: briantroutman on August 18, 2013, 04:53:29 AM
Post by: briantroutman on August 18, 2013, 04:53:29 AM
I think the OP is looking for items a little older than the some of the '80s-'90s stuff that's being mentioned. (And I realize that some of the other items are older, too.)
So in that spirit, I'm to young to remember any of this but...
Pennsylvania was noted for its leading-edge highways
Almost any service plaza on any toll road had the same food choice: Howard Johnson's
Service plazas had on-duty mechanics that did repairs
The "quick route" westward from NYC involved taking the NJ Turnpike to the PA Turnpike
Maps had more dashed lines labeled "proposed" than actual open freeways
Highways that would be underway in a "just a few years" included LOMEX, the Cobbs Creek Expressway, and I-266
I-95 wasn't complete through New Jersey...
So in that spirit, I'm to young to remember any of this but...
Pennsylvania was noted for its leading-edge highways
Almost any service plaza on any toll road had the same food choice: Howard Johnson's
Service plazas had on-duty mechanics that did repairs
The "quick route" westward from NYC involved taking the NJ Turnpike to the PA Turnpike
Maps had more dashed lines labeled "proposed" than actual open freeways
Highways that would be underway in a "just a few years" included LOMEX, the Cobbs Creek Expressway, and I-266
I-95 wasn't complete through New Jersey...
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on August 18, 2013, 09:13:44 AM
Post by: roadman65 on August 18, 2013, 09:13:44 AM
Quote from: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 01:35:25 AMThat is another thing that I forgot. US 82 used to be US 84 east of Waycross, GA and of course US 84 east of there was US 82. And yes, I remember these signs.Quote from: roadman65 on August 18, 2013, 01:12:19 AM(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usends.com%2FFocus%2FBrunswickGA%2F017_nb_1973.jpg&hash=712ab40818c01842f57b8f97d331924b183234df)
I-95 also not being completed around Brunswick, GA and from Emporia, VA to just south of Petersburg. The former used two lane GA 303, while at least the latter had four laned US 301 with only one stoplight at Stoney Creek.
Michael Summa, 1973, from http://www.usends.com/Focus/BrunswickGA/index.html
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Mapmikey on August 18, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on August 18, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: OracleUsr on August 17, 2013, 11:35:01 PM
From NC:
1. When they had rudimentary Variable Speed Limit signs in the Smokies (said either "SPEED LIMIT 55" or "SPEED LIMIT 35 FOG"
2. Green tabs on auxiliary signs in Asheville
3. 8" signals in High Point with elongated yellow lamp hoods.
4. Double ground-mounted BGS' (one on each side of the road in advance of left exits).
5. When I-40's exits remained unnumbered in large chunks in the mid-west and western part of the state, even through the late 80's.
6. When "Fines Creek" used to be a word salad (I think it used to say Fines Creek/Great Smoky Mountains Nat'l Park)...or "Harmon Den" saying "Harmon Den/Game Refuge"
From South Carolina:
1. Final BGS' saying "NEXT RIGHT" instead of having an arrow.
2. Gore signs of such weird designs that would make a MUTCD purist gag (case in point: Exit 40 off I-85 Southbound--SC 153/Easley--had the number 40 with a raised "0", looking like it was saying EXIT 4 DEGREES)
3. STOP AHEAD signs with the larger "STOP" wording (am I the only one who remembers these?? Even the SC DOT had no idea what I was talking about!!!)
From NC/SC
In NC they used to have "When Wet" advisory speeds on curves. This was very widespread in eastern NC in the 70s. I did see a couple of these on NC 24 west of Roseboro this summer which were the first ones of these I can recall seeing in a very long time.
In NC the speed limit signs on primary routes were in tall rectangles that read "SPEED LIMIT" 55 "TRUCKS" xx. I am fuzzy on whether LIMIT was below SPEED on the rectangle. These were mostly gone by 1980. I can't recall any primary highway having a different truck limit but a couple secondary roads did. My guess is that these signs were old enough that the car number used to be higher than 55 while trucks were at 55.
When most 3-digit us routes in NC were in square shields.
Hardees World at I-95 exit 71 which we stopped at all the time in the 70s. There were 2 other locations: I-95 at NC 903 and I-95 exit 8 in SC. These were Hardees restaurants attached to gas stations and had an arcade and gift shop.
In SC they used to have bold stencil dates on the backs of all signs. They stopped doing this in the late 1980s and oldest one I ever saw was dated 1968.
In SC they used to have their secondary markers as black lettering on white background. Only a couple examples made it to the 1980s.
When the north half of the Myrtle Beach bypass was SC 317.
When the Myrtle Beach bypass was a functional high-speed bypass with no stoplights.
Mapmikey
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Post by: US81 on August 18, 2013, 11:04:33 AM
Post by: US81 on August 18, 2013, 11:04:33 AM
I remember long sections of I-35 and I-35W that had not been upgraded to full freeway status. They were divided highways with at-grade crossovers rather than exits. (A segment like this still exists where TX 81 leaves I-35 south of Hillsboro, TX.)
I remember two-way access/service/frontage roads (which still exist in very rural areas).
I remember when left exits were not uncommon.
I remember when roads followed the terrain.
I remember more low-water crossings, truss bridges, draw-bridges and ferries and fewer high-rise bridges.
I remember when roads were allowed to intersect at acute/obtuse angles, and when it was fairly common to encounter intersections with blinking yellow/blinking red lights (I loved doghouses).
I remember when many Texas towns were bisected by railroads with no crossings that were not at-grade. If there were a train collision or malfunction, there might be no way to drive from one side of town to the other.
I remember when cloverleaf intersections were the updated improvement rather than the obsolete remnant of old construction.
I remember two-way access/service/frontage roads (which still exist in very rural areas).
I remember when left exits were not uncommon.
I remember when roads followed the terrain.
I remember more low-water crossings, truss bridges, draw-bridges and ferries and fewer high-rise bridges.
I remember when roads were allowed to intersect at acute/obtuse angles, and when it was fairly common to encounter intersections with blinking yellow/blinking red lights (I loved doghouses).
I remember when many Texas towns were bisected by railroads with no crossings that were not at-grade. If there were a train collision or malfunction, there might be no way to drive from one side of town to the other.
I remember when cloverleaf intersections were the updated improvement rather than the obsolete remnant of old construction.
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Post by: leroys73 on August 18, 2013, 11:36:52 AM
Post by: leroys73 on August 18, 2013, 11:36:52 AM
I remember when Ohio State route 74 was the best way to go from Williamsburg, Ohio in Clermont County to Cincinnati. It joined up with Columbia Parkway/US50. 74 was resigned State Route 32 and then for the most part completely realigned around many small towns to be called the John A. Rhodes Appalachian Highway. I remember talk of this highway back in the early 50's.
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Post by: 1995hoo on August 18, 2013, 12:01:31 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 18, 2013, 12:01:31 PM
I remember the parallel routes named "George Washington Memorial Parkway" on either side of the Potomac in Virginia and Maryland/DC, a legacy of a long-scuppered plan to connect them by a bridge up at Great Falls. People were endlessly getting lost because they couldn't figure out which was which. Maryland/DC's part was renamed for Clara Barton. I thought the original proposal for "Martha Washington Parkway" made more sense.
I remember when US-29 in Virginia's only bypass route was the one in the Charlottesville area. You had to crawl through Warrenton and Culpeper stopping at a bunch of red lights. It was faster to take the rural two-lane VA-229 through Rixeyville because it eliminated some of the Culpeper portion even though it was out of the way.
I-66 had an isolated segment out near Marshall for many years unconnected to the rest of the route at either end. It was something like 15 years before it connected to any other piece. When the outside-the-Beltway part of I-66 was finally finished in 1980, there was a BGS at Gainesville bragging that I-66 now connected to I-81. The odd design of the Gainesville interchange is a legacy of when you got dumped onto US-29 there.
I remember when US-29 in Virginia's only bypass route was the one in the Charlottesville area. You had to crawl through Warrenton and Culpeper stopping at a bunch of red lights. It was faster to take the rural two-lane VA-229 through Rixeyville because it eliminated some of the Culpeper portion even though it was out of the way.
I-66 had an isolated segment out near Marshall for many years unconnected to the rest of the route at either end. It was something like 15 years before it connected to any other piece. When the outside-the-Beltway part of I-66 was finally finished in 1980, there was a BGS at Gainesville bragging that I-66 now connected to I-81. The odd design of the Gainesville interchange is a legacy of when you got dumped onto US-29 there.
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Post by: Mapmikey on August 18, 2013, 05:02:42 PM
Post by: Mapmikey on August 18, 2013, 05:02:42 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 18, 2013, 12:01:31 PM
I remember when US-29 in Virginia's only bypass route was the one in the Charlottesville area. You had to crawl through Warrenton and Culpeper stopping at a bunch of red lights. It was faster to take the rural two-lane VA-229 through Rixeyville because it eliminated some of the Culpeper portion even though it was out of the way.
There were 7 US 29 bypasses already in place by 1973...(unless you are not really 40!) :)
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Post by: xonhulu on August 18, 2013, 05:41:30 PM
Post by: xonhulu on August 18, 2013, 05:41:30 PM
Things I'm old enough to remember:
- running into a lot of incomplete sections of interstates on our family trips in the 70's. I can specifically remember I-84 in eastern Oregon, south-central Idaho, and northern Utah; and I-90 in northern Idaho and crossing the Missouri in South Dakota. Probably a few others that escape me now.
- US 99, 99W, and 99E still existed, at least in Oregon.
- Harbor Drive in Portland was still in use
- when the Fremont Bridge (I-405) in Portland was being built
- I-80N and I-15W in OR and ID
- running into a lot of incomplete sections of interstates on our family trips in the 70's. I can specifically remember I-84 in eastern Oregon, south-central Idaho, and northern Utah; and I-90 in northern Idaho and crossing the Missouri in South Dakota. Probably a few others that escape me now.
- US 99, 99W, and 99E still existed, at least in Oregon.
- Harbor Drive in Portland was still in use
- when the Fremont Bridge (I-405) in Portland was being built
- I-80N and I-15W in OR and ID
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Post by: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
apart from all the signs made to older standards, including the occasional cutout US route marker, the thing I remember the most that isn't around anymore is Boston's Central Artery: I-93.
also, in the early 90s, they got rid of two huge oil storage tanks - one of which said Bostongas and one of which was painted with rainbow stripes - from just beside the south end of the Artery.
also, in the early 90s, they got rid of two huge oil storage tanks - one of which said Bostongas and one of which was painted with rainbow stripes - from just beside the south end of the Artery.
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Post by: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 07:09:46 PM
Post by: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 07:09:46 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2013, 06:53:00 PMShit, I guess I'm too old.
apart from all the signs made to older standards, including the occasional cutout US route marker, the thing I remember the most that isn't around anymore is Boston's Central Artery: I-93.
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Post by: The High Plains Traveler on August 18, 2013, 07:34:46 PM
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on August 18, 2013, 07:34:46 PM
I absorbed a lot of road details long before I could drive. From California:
- black regulatory and guide signs
- butterfly exit signs on freeways
- double lines were white
- bear spade state route markers
- ACSC installed signs were still common
- deep in the recesses of my memory I remember seeing a few semaphore signals
Other States:
- mostly I remember that center stripes had a constant white broken line with solid yellow lines on one or both sides to mark no-passing zones
- black regulatory and guide signs
- butterfly exit signs on freeways
- double lines were white
- bear spade state route markers
- ACSC installed signs were still common
- deep in the recesses of my memory I remember seeing a few semaphore signals
Other States:
- mostly I remember that center stripes had a constant white broken line with solid yellow lines on one or both sides to mark no-passing zones
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Post by: 1995hoo on August 18, 2013, 08:23:21 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 18, 2013, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 18, 2013, 05:02:42 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on August 18, 2013, 12:01:31 PM
I remember when US-29 in Virginia's only bypass route was the one in the Charlottesville area. You had to crawl through Warrenton and Culpeper stopping at a bunch of red lights. It was faster to take the rural two-lane VA-229 through Rixeyville because it eliminated some of the Culpeper portion even though it was out of the way.
There were 7 US 29 bypasses already in place by 1973...(unless you are not really 40!) :)
I'm 40 (as of this past May). But I sure don't remember any between Northern Virginia and Charlottesville, anyway! Not counting Madison.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 18, 2013, 08:29:51 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 18, 2013, 08:29:51 PM
I stand corrected when I said I was too old to remember the exit gore signs on the Garden State Parkway in NJ as here is one where the present day NJTA is still maintaining old out of date signing practices. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Union,+NJ&hl=en&ll=40.695412,-74.260561&spn=0.006003,0.015278&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=25.761936,62.578125&oq=unio&t=h&hnear=Union,+New+Jersey&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.695494,-74.260444&panoid=PHxME7Gybp91ayqLBqPmYg&cbp=12,315,,0,0
This is how the GSP was signed pretty much years ago when NJDOT maintained some sections of the GSP except the signing was all upper case then and the old style green coloring scheme.
Back on track
Delaware and Maryland
I am too old because I remember ramp tolls on both the Delaware Turnpike and JFK Memorial Highway.
This is how the GSP was signed pretty much years ago when NJDOT maintained some sections of the GSP except the signing was all upper case then and the old style green coloring scheme.
Back on track
Delaware and Maryland
I am too old because I remember ramp tolls on both the Delaware Turnpike and JFK Memorial Highway.
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Post by: US71 on August 18, 2013, 08:50:43 PM
Post by: US71 on August 18, 2013, 08:50:43 PM
I remember:
-White on Black exit signs along US 66/Future I-44 in Missouri. Some of them even spelled the road(Business US 66)
-White square route shields with black outlines and numbers
-White guide signs with black lettering (sometimes the lettering squished to fit the sign blank
-4-Way traffic signals (and a few upside down)
-Double Red 4-Ways
-Flashing warning lights on the 2-Lane US71 Bypass in Fayetteville, AR
-The first car accident on the 71 Bypass (driving the unfinished road and hitting the end of the bridge)
-US 471 Exit signs
-White on Black exit signs along US 66/Future I-44 in Missouri. Some of them even spelled the road(Business US 66)
-White square route shields with black outlines and numbers
-White guide signs with black lettering (sometimes the lettering squished to fit the sign blank
-4-Way traffic signals (and a few upside down)
-Double Red 4-Ways
-Flashing warning lights on the 2-Lane US71 Bypass in Fayetteville, AR
-The first car accident on the 71 Bypass (driving the unfinished road and hitting the end of the bridge)
-US 471 Exit signs
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Post by: hbelkins on August 18, 2013, 09:32:50 PM
Post by: hbelkins on August 18, 2013, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 12:14:08 AM
Are you sure it was a suffixed split and not merely northbound and southbound on different alignments?
Given the distance between the two alignments, that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. They weren't just separated by a city block or two. I'd have to find an old atlas or map to verify, but one of the alignments is currently the existing US 301 and the other is a signed state route.
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Post by: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 09:55:15 PM
Post by: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 18, 2013, 09:32:50 PMhttps://www.aaroads.com/delaware/road_maps.htm
They weren't just separated by a city block or two. I'd have to find an old atlas or map to verify, but one of the alignments is currently the existing US 301 and the other is a signed state route.
Here's a photo from 1976, on what was supposedly "301N" at the time: www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=DE19693011
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Post by: ctsignguy on August 19, 2013, 12:57:19 AM
Post by: ctsignguy on August 19, 2013, 12:57:19 AM
For Connecticut....
US 44A from I-86/CT 15/US 44 at Manchester
4-shield I-86, I-84, US 44, CT 15 gantries on the Wilbur Cross between 1972-1984
CONN 52 from I-95 at Flanders up to the RI border
CONN 51 on the Boston Post Road from Old Lyme to Flanders (US 1 was on the Conn Tpke co-signed with I-95 at the time)
OHIO
Ohio 440 wherever US 40 was placed on I-70
US 25 in its entirety (along with TO I-75 signage)
Ohio 69 from Dayton north (story behind THAT one)
US 44A from I-86/CT 15/US 44 at Manchester
4-shield I-86, I-84, US 44, CT 15 gantries on the Wilbur Cross between 1972-1984
CONN 52 from I-95 at Flanders up to the RI border
CONN 51 on the Boston Post Road from Old Lyme to Flanders (US 1 was on the Conn Tpke co-signed with I-95 at the time)
OHIO
Ohio 440 wherever US 40 was placed on I-70
US 25 in its entirety (along with TO I-75 signage)
Ohio 69 from Dayton north (story behind THAT one)
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Post by: vtk on August 19, 2013, 01:33:18 AM
Post by: vtk on August 19, 2013, 01:33:18 AM
In Columbus:
The old Spring-Sandusky interchange, with its maze of loops and left-side ramps.
I-270 had just 2 lanes each way on the north side.
You had to take Leonard Ave to get from downtown (or the west side) to the airport.
Every freeway sign was button copy.
Clearwater Beach, Florida:
The drawbridge to Clearwater Beach, and FL 60 didn't end at a roundabout. And there weren't any high-rises north of FL 60.
Generally:
Triangular "unmarked no passing zones" signs where crack-sealing tar covered up the yellow stripes in the middle of the road.
The old Spring-Sandusky interchange, with its maze of loops and left-side ramps.
I-270 had just 2 lanes each way on the north side.
You had to take Leonard Ave to get from downtown (or the west side) to the airport.
Every freeway sign was button copy.
Clearwater Beach, Florida:
The drawbridge to Clearwater Beach, and FL 60 didn't end at a roundabout. And there weren't any high-rises north of FL 60.
Generally:
Triangular "unmarked no passing zones" signs where crack-sealing tar covered up the yellow stripes in the middle of the road.
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Post by: kurumi on August 19, 2013, 02:37:58 AM
Post by: kurumi on August 19, 2013, 02:37:58 AM
More Connecticut:
SR 533 marker on an I-86 eastbound BGS. Really wish I had taken a photo of that.
General I-86 construction where both directions (2 lanes each way) were sharing one side of the new under-construction right of way.
SR 533 marker on an I-86 eastbound BGS. Really wish I had taken a photo of that.
General I-86 construction where both directions (2 lanes each way) were sharing one side of the new under-construction right of way.
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Post by: Pete from Boston on August 19, 2013, 04:03:59 AM
Post by: Pete from Boston on August 19, 2013, 04:03:59 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2013, 06:53:00 PMalso, in the early 90s, they got rid of two huge oil storage tanks - one of which said Bostongas and one of which was painted with rainbow stripes - from just beside the south end of the Artery.
One was replaced (it contains natural gas, I believe) with said rainbow "stripes" recreated upon it.
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Post by: spooky on August 19, 2013, 07:34:32 AM
Post by: spooky on August 19, 2013, 07:34:32 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 19, 2013, 04:03:59 AMQuote from: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2013, 06:53:00 PMalso, in the early 90s, they got rid of two huge oil storage tanks - one of which said Bostongas and one of which was painted with rainbow stripes - from just beside the south end of the Artery.
One was replaced (it contains natural gas, I believe) with said rainbow "stripes" recreated upon it.
I don't believe one was replaced, but instead the one that originally had the stripes was removed and the stripes were recreated on the remaining one.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 19, 2013, 08:28:46 AM
Post by: roadman65 on August 19, 2013, 08:28:46 AM
Virginia
I remember when I-64 was incomplete near Williamsburg and motorists had to use a four lane VA 168 between the two completed parts. In addition VA 168 continued across the Hampton Roads Bridge- Tunnel and was co-signed with I-64 for several miles to this point and followed present day VA 30 and ended at VA 33 near West Point.
I not only remember the tolls on the Richmond- Petersburg Turnpike, but the old exit signs that had the exit number within the sign's body almost like the NJ Turnpike.
I also remember most of Virginia having no exit numbers.
I remember when the Northampton Boulevard/ Military Highway intersection in Norfolk was a traffic circle.
I even remember when the US 13 & US 58 SPUI was a cloverleaf and when there was indeed a US 13 Business while US 13 Bypass was co-signed with I-64 around the southern part of the Hampton Roads Beltway.
I saw in my earlier life when Virginia used white posts to support the freeway and expressway guides.
I-395 was actually signed I-95 and the Beltway was solely I-495 east of Washington.
I remember when I-64 was incomplete near Williamsburg and motorists had to use a four lane VA 168 between the two completed parts. In addition VA 168 continued across the Hampton Roads Bridge- Tunnel and was co-signed with I-64 for several miles to this point and followed present day VA 30 and ended at VA 33 near West Point.
I not only remember the tolls on the Richmond- Petersburg Turnpike, but the old exit signs that had the exit number within the sign's body almost like the NJ Turnpike.
I also remember most of Virginia having no exit numbers.
I remember when the Northampton Boulevard/ Military Highway intersection in Norfolk was a traffic circle.
I even remember when the US 13 & US 58 SPUI was a cloverleaf and when there was indeed a US 13 Business while US 13 Bypass was co-signed with I-64 around the southern part of the Hampton Roads Beltway.
I saw in my earlier life when Virginia used white posts to support the freeway and expressway guides.
I-395 was actually signed I-95 and the Beltway was solely I-495 east of Washington.
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Post by: 1995hoo on August 19, 2013, 08:57:17 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 19, 2013, 08:57:17 AM
The tolls on the Richmond—Petersburg Turnpike were removed sometime in the early 1990s. I recall a late-1980s high school trip down to Chester on which the teacher drove (so as to avoid riding in a slow school bus) he had the front-seat passenger trying to throw the coins over the roof of the car into the toll machine at the second toll plaza (the one between Richmond and Chester). Good thing there was less traffic back then....the coin-tossing efforts were not all that successful. No E-ZPass or Smart Tag back then, obviously.
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Post by: SteveG1988 on August 19, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
Post by: SteveG1988 on August 19, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
These are some things i came up with, i am too young to really have stuff to say that i remember that are gone.
You're too old if you remember There only being one delaware memorial bridge span
You're too old if you remember Roy Rogers being everywhere and not just on toll roads
You're too old if you remember not having coors beer east of texas, like in smokey and the bandit
You're too old if you remember riding on the Pennslyvania Railroad, or New York Central, or Penn Central
You're too old if you still think of engine sizes in metric and Gross Vs Net HP and Metric Sizes
You're too old if you remember when mitsubishi started selling cars in the united states under their own name (1985)
You're too old if you remember when there was just one bridge to Seaside Heights on NJ route 37, or Only one Great Egg Harbor span on the parkway (both were twinned in the 70s)
You're too old if you remember when the Betsy Ross bridge in Philadelphia was a bridge to nowhere and just stood there without any connection (74-76)
You're too old if you don't remember anything at all
You're too old if you remember There only being one delaware memorial bridge span
You're too old if you remember Roy Rogers being everywhere and not just on toll roads
You're too old if you remember not having coors beer east of texas, like in smokey and the bandit
You're too old if you remember riding on the Pennslyvania Railroad, or New York Central, or Penn Central
You're too old if you still think of engine sizes in metric and Gross Vs Net HP and Metric Sizes
You're too old if you remember when mitsubishi started selling cars in the united states under their own name (1985)
You're too old if you remember when there was just one bridge to Seaside Heights on NJ route 37, or Only one Great Egg Harbor span on the parkway (both were twinned in the 70s)
You're too old if you remember when the Betsy Ross bridge in Philadelphia was a bridge to nowhere and just stood there without any connection (74-76)
You're too old if you don't remember anything at all
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Post by: 1995hoo on August 19, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 19, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on August 19, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
....
You're too old if you remember Roy Rogers being everywhere and not just on toll roads
....
There is still a Roy's in a shopping center about a mile (as the crow flies) from my house. I know of another one not too far away and a third out in the Leesburg area; I think there are a few others remaining in Maryland.
Since you mentioned fast food, some people might consider you old if you remember the mid-Atlantic region not having any Kentucky Fried Chicken franchises because Gino's held the rights to sell said chicken in this area (Gino's was owned by a former Baltimore Colts player). I remember in the third grade we took a walking field trip to a Gino's near our school (I don't remember why). Nowadays they'd never allow that for grade-school kids because we had to cross the street to get there.
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Post by: jeffandnicole on August 19, 2013, 10:25:13 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 19, 2013, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 19, 2013, 09:37:21 AMQuote from: SteveG1988 on August 19, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
....
You're too old if you remember Roy Rogers being everywhere and not just on toll roads
....
There is still a Roy's in a shopping center about a mile (as the crow flies) from my house. I know of another one not too far away and a third out in the Leesburg area; I think there are a few others remaining in Maryland.
Since you mentioned fast food, some people might consider you old if you remember the mid-Atlantic region not having any Kentucky Fried Chicken franchises because Gino's held the rights to sell said chicken in this area (Gino's was owned by a former Baltimore Colts player). I remember in the third grade we took a walking field trip to a Gino's near our school (I don't remember why). Nowadays they'd never allow that for grade-school kids because we had to cross the street to get there.
Ginos is making a comeback of sorts, btw. Same with the Ground Round.
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Post by: elsmere241 on August 19, 2013, 10:28:59 AM
Post by: elsmere241 on August 19, 2013, 10:28:59 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 19, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
Since you mentioned fast food, some people might consider you old if you remember the mid-Atlantic region not having any Kentucky Fried Chicken franchises because Gino's held the rights to sell said chicken in this area (Gino's was owned by a former Baltimore Colts player). I remember in the third grade we took a walking field trip to a Gino's near our school (I don't remember why). Nowadays they'd never allow that for grade-school kids because we had to cross the street to get there.
I remember in 1983 a Gino's in Dover, DE including KFC.
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Post by: hubcity on August 19, 2013, 11:23:13 AM
Post by: hubcity on August 19, 2013, 11:23:13 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 18, 2013, 08:29:51 PM
I stand corrected when I said I was too old to remember the exit gore signs on the Garden State Parkway in NJ as here is one where the present day NJTA is still maintaining old out of date signing practices. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Union,+NJ&hl=en&ll=40.695412,-74.260561&spn=0.006003,0.015278&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=25.761936,62.578125&oq=unio&t=h&hnear=Union,+New+Jersey&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.695494,-74.260444&panoid=PHxME7Gybp91ayqLBqPmYg&cbp=12,315,,0,0
This is how the GSP was signed pretty much years ago when NJDOT maintained some sections of the GSP except the signing was all upper case then and the old style green coloring scheme.
This is a newer sign with echoes of an older style - note that only the number is used, without "Exit" preceding.
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.388224,-74.177151&spn=0.437746,0.6633&cbp=12,334.56,,3,1.47&layer=c&panoid=mktff9QMaKyxMSMjd9IIuQ&cbll=40.388224,-74.177151&dg=opt&t=h&z=11
It replaced a sign where the "exit tab" was a rectangular wooden extension of the sign's wood frame, centered on the top of the sign, with reflective numbers affixed to the front of it. There's another old-style Big Sign with wood framing in this picture, just north of Exit 114. (They've since removed the non-MUTCD-compliant cow.)
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/nj1015.com/files/2012/08/cow-along-parkway-300x300.jpg
(More on that story here: http://nj1015.com/cow-gets-loose-along-the-garden-state-parkway/ )
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Post by: mUtcd33 on August 19, 2013, 11:35:19 AM
Post by: mUtcd33 on August 19, 2013, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: elsmere241 on August 19, 2013, 10:28:59 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on August 19, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
Since you mentioned fast food, some people might consider you old if you remember the mid-Atlantic region not having any Kentucky Fried Chicken franchises because Gino's held the rights to sell said chicken in this area (Gino's was owned by a former Baltimore Colts player). I remember in the third grade we took a walking field trip to a Gino's near our school (I don't remember why). Nowadays they'd never allow that for grade-school kids because we had to cross the street to get there.
I remember in 1983 a Gino's in Dover, DE including KFC.
My dad said there were Gino's near where he grew up in Lansford, PA; he said there was one in Lehighton, PA and you could get KFC there. Now the nearest KFC is 20+ miles away in Pottsville, PA.
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Post by: Mapmikey on August 19, 2013, 11:37:02 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on August 19, 2013, 11:37:02 AM
More commercially...
Too old if you remember:
Sinclair having gas stations near the east coast (too old for me!)
Days Inn being called 8 Days Inn
The character Speedy from Hardees
When McDonalds used to update their signs every time they accumulated 5 billion more burgers sold
Gas station maps for free
South of the Border without the huge tower adjacent to I-95
The Sambos chain (racially insensitive named restaurant similar to Dennys)
No ATMs at all
Having no choice but to pay for gas in the store at all gas stations
When all the water at rest areas in NC tasted like sulphur
Mapmikey
Too old if you remember:
Sinclair having gas stations near the east coast (too old for me!)
Days Inn being called 8 Days Inn
The character Speedy from Hardees
When McDonalds used to update their signs every time they accumulated 5 billion more burgers sold
Gas station maps for free
South of the Border without the huge tower adjacent to I-95
The Sambos chain (racially insensitive named restaurant similar to Dennys)
No ATMs at all
Having no choice but to pay for gas in the store at all gas stations
When all the water at rest areas in NC tasted like sulphur
Mapmikey
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on August 19, 2013, 11:53:38 AM
Post by: roadman65 on August 19, 2013, 11:53:38 AM
Commercially you are old if your remember the old orange roofs of the Howard Johnson which could be seen approaching an interchange. All Ho Jos were built that way for identification purposes just as their rival Holiday Inn had that jughandle sign with the "Star" on the top and all neon green lettering above a standard marque and of course an arrow around the rounded perimiter.
Basically, Ho Jo and Holiday Inns ruled the road as far as chain hotels went. Stuckeys ruled tourist type of fast food with a Texaco Station and their infamous Pecan Log Roll and dollar egg breakfast.
No ATMs, EZ Pass, Wal Marts, and unchained motels were American owned and clean rooms with no mirrors on the ceiling as well as a friendly staff who would even find you another motel if they were full plus give directions to local places.
Also, in my time in the 70s we had milk machines on street corners. Gas stations worked on cars as each one had at least one bay instead of a convenience store like they do now. Banks were only open on weekdays, and we survived without cash machines and debit cards when on vacation. Traffic lights were strictly timers, but did not have long wait times either like now when the loops default to timers.
How about Lums, Jack In the Boxes on the east coast, and Winn Dixie was more popular than Publix in Florida?
Basically, Ho Jo and Holiday Inns ruled the road as far as chain hotels went. Stuckeys ruled tourist type of fast food with a Texaco Station and their infamous Pecan Log Roll and dollar egg breakfast.
No ATMs, EZ Pass, Wal Marts, and unchained motels were American owned and clean rooms with no mirrors on the ceiling as well as a friendly staff who would even find you another motel if they were full plus give directions to local places.
Also, in my time in the 70s we had milk machines on street corners. Gas stations worked on cars as each one had at least one bay instead of a convenience store like they do now. Banks were only open on weekdays, and we survived without cash machines and debit cards when on vacation. Traffic lights were strictly timers, but did not have long wait times either like now when the loops default to timers.
How about Lums, Jack In the Boxes on the east coast, and Winn Dixie was more popular than Publix in Florida?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: OracleUsr on August 19, 2013, 12:45:34 PM
Post by: OracleUsr on August 19, 2013, 12:45:34 PM
I loved those Holiday Inn signs, even better if the concentric stars and marquee lights moved/flashed.
Actually stayed at a Holiday Inn in Augusta, ME...well, actually it was in the parking lot of one...and our car was parked near one and I watched the moving sign as I went to sleep.
Actually stayed at a Holiday Inn in Augusta, ME...well, actually it was in the parking lot of one...and our car was parked near one and I watched the moving sign as I went to sleep.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on August 19, 2013, 12:48:59 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 19, 2013, 12:48:59 PM
I remember there used to be a motel on I-95 in Maryland (I think between the Susquehanna and the Delaware line, but I don't remember for certain) called the "Loop Route Motel" with a similar sign that had an arrow and at night the lights went around the arrow to highlight the "loop route" you followed from the Interstate to the motel.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 19, 2013, 01:15:39 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 19, 2013, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 19, 2013, 11:53:38 AM
...Gas stations worked on cars as each one had at least one bay instead of a convenience store like they do now.
Come up to New Jersey. While they are a dying breed, this state still has plenty of gas station/auto repair shops. Today though, the gas station is independant of the repair shop, unlike in the past when it was common for the guy pumping your gas to be the same guy working on the vehicles.
Most new stations are the gas/convenience store variety.
QuoteBanks were only open on weekdays, and we survived without cash machines and debit cards when on vacation. Traffic lights were strictly timers, but did not have long wait times either like now when the loops default to timers.
Back then, it was all travelers cheques!
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Brian556 on August 19, 2013, 01:30:28 PM
Post by: Brian556 on August 19, 2013, 01:30:28 PM
Texas:
North of DFW Airport, the SH 121 freeway ended, making a sharp left curve into SH 121/SH 26.
You had to cross Grapevine Dam to access FM 2499 from SH 26.
Dallas Parkway in Far N Dallas/Plano was just frontage roads with grading in the middle for future Tollway lanes.
Several BGS's in Dallas had the imprint of the US shields that had bee removed.
North of DFW Airport, the SH 121 freeway ended, making a sharp left curve into SH 121/SH 26.
You had to cross Grapevine Dam to access FM 2499 from SH 26.
Dallas Parkway in Far N Dallas/Plano was just frontage roads with grading in the middle for future Tollway lanes.
Several BGS's in Dallas had the imprint of the US shields that had bee removed.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Brandon on August 19, 2013, 02:25:56 PM
Post by: Brandon on August 19, 2013, 02:25:56 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 19, 2013, 11:37:02 AM
More commercially...
Too old if you remember:
The Sambos chain (racially insensitive named restaurant similar to Dennys)
Mapmikey
Actually, Sambo's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo%27s) name had nothing to do with African Americans. And the story (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Little_Black_Sambo) was about an Indian (subcontinent) kid. I've never even heard of the pejorative term until recently.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Big John on August 19, 2013, 02:37:51 PM
Post by: Big John on August 19, 2013, 02:37:51 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 19, 2013, 11:37:02 AM
More commercially...
Too old if you remember:
The character Speedy from Hardees
When McDonalds used to update their signs every time they accumulated 5 billion more burgers sold
Mapmikey
Actually Speedy was the mascot for McDonald's prior to Ronald McDonald.
And prior to 25 billion hamburgers sold, McDonalds updated their signs for every 1 billion hamburgers sold.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Grzrd on August 19, 2013, 03:33:07 PM
Post by: Grzrd on August 19, 2013, 03:33:07 PM
Burger Chef as a major chain
Moola Coola
Kickapoo Joy Juice
Moola Coola
Kickapoo Joy Juice
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Mapmikey on August 19, 2013, 03:56:49 PM
Post by: Mapmikey on August 19, 2013, 03:56:49 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 19, 2013, 02:37:51 PM
Actually Speedy was the mascot for McDonald's prior to Ronald McDonald.
This is from the Hardees entry on Wikipedia:
In the early 1970s, the regular menu featured the Huskee Junior (a two-patty burger with a unique sauce) and the Deluxe Huskee (a quarter-pound burger with mayonnaise). Growth was rapid on the strength of the distinctive taste of these two marquee menu items. Hardee's purchased Sandy's in 1972, but primarily emphasized franchise growth on the strength of its own menu. Television advertising campaigns in the early 1970s included cartoon characters of a '49er, "Gilbert Giddyup", and his nemesis, a purple-coated villain named "Speedy McGreedy".
I don't remember Gilbert Giddyup, however...
Mapmikey
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Big John on August 19, 2013, 06:35:00 PM
Post by: Big John on August 19, 2013, 06:35:00 PM
OK, Hardees took it over when McDonald's dropped him in 1967.
http://mcdonalds.wikia.com/wiki/Speedee
http://mcdonalds.wikia.com/wiki/Speedee
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: lepidopteran on August 19, 2013, 06:36:12 PM
Post by: lepidopteran on August 19, 2013, 06:36:12 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 19, 2013, 03:56:49 PM
"Speedy McGreedy" .....Gilbert Giddyup
These two commercials feature both characters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN653T5YKho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN653T5YKho)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvTEKLVmFNU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvTEKLVmFNU)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: lepidopteran on August 19, 2013, 08:18:18 PM
Post by: lepidopteran on August 19, 2013, 08:18:18 PM
-- how pumping your own fuel was unheard of (unless you live in NJ or Oregon) And they'd volunteer to check your oil, check your tire pressure, clean your windshield, etc. (Note that a Shell station in Ohio had a "mini-serve" island, where they only pumped your gas and not those other things)
-- the catchphrase "Fill "˜er up, with regular"
-- all gasoline contained lead; grades besides Regular were labeled "Hi-Test" , "Premium" , "Ethyl" , "Super" , "No-Nox" , etc.
-- there was a separate nozzle/hose for each grade, usually at a separate pump assembly altogether (Sunoco was a notable exception)
-- the familiar "ding-ding" sound when you ran over the pressurized hose, to let the attendant (who was likely working under a hood in the garage) know that a customer drove up; not to be confused with the softer, single "ding" that some pumps emitted as the amount purchased rolled over each dollar increment
-- when gas stations were known as "service stations" , and as such, a station without service bays was an anomaly
-- when roofs over the pump area, if you even knew of any, were the exception rather than the rule
-- they had analog "wheels" on the pump dial for the number of gallons and "This sale" , some of which didn't exceed $9.99 as a total! And only 2 digits were in the price-per-gallon window (OK, plus the fractional amount.)
-- when the gallons pumped window used fractional notation -- 1/10, 2/10, etc. -- rather than a decimal point, even though tenths mean the same thing
-- when there was sight glass on the pump
-- when there was a lit "globe" in the shape of the logo atop the pump
-- when the nozzle was nested on the side of the pump, not the front.
-- when they accepted house credit cards only, e.g., at a Gulf station, you could only use a Gulf credit card.
-- the sound of that handheld slider device for making an imprint of your charge card
-- S&H Green Stamps, Top Value Stamps, and other trading stamps you received with your purchase
-- when about the only other thing they sold besides petrol was motor oil, the cans of which (yes, cans!) were neatly stacked in a pyramid. If other items like candy, cigarettes, or soda pop were available, it was pretty much only through vending machines.
-- restroom entrances were on the outside of the building, and you had to ask for the key
-- Esso stations in the United States, or any open station bearing the name "Standard" or "Standard Oil" , apart from the token locations kept to maintain trademark rights
-- rotating signs (especially the Union 76 rotating ball). Or signs with flashing light elements
-- free air. The pump had large, hand-cranked numbers for the tire pressure setting, and there might have been an attached water hose available as well
-- free road maps
-- free glasses
-- the catchphrase "Fill "˜er up, with regular"
-- all gasoline contained lead; grades besides Regular were labeled "Hi-Test" , "Premium" , "Ethyl" , "Super" , "No-Nox" , etc.
-- there was a separate nozzle/hose for each grade, usually at a separate pump assembly altogether (Sunoco was a notable exception)
-- the familiar "ding-ding" sound when you ran over the pressurized hose, to let the attendant (who was likely working under a hood in the garage) know that a customer drove up; not to be confused with the softer, single "ding" that some pumps emitted as the amount purchased rolled over each dollar increment
-- when gas stations were known as "service stations" , and as such, a station without service bays was an anomaly
-- when roofs over the pump area, if you even knew of any, were the exception rather than the rule
-- they had analog "wheels" on the pump dial for the number of gallons and "This sale" , some of which didn't exceed $9.99 as a total! And only 2 digits were in the price-per-gallon window (OK, plus the fractional amount.)
-- when the gallons pumped window used fractional notation -- 1/10, 2/10, etc. -- rather than a decimal point, even though tenths mean the same thing
-- when there was sight glass on the pump
-- when there was a lit "globe" in the shape of the logo atop the pump
-- when the nozzle was nested on the side of the pump, not the front.
-- when they accepted house credit cards only, e.g., at a Gulf station, you could only use a Gulf credit card.
-- the sound of that handheld slider device for making an imprint of your charge card
-- S&H Green Stamps, Top Value Stamps, and other trading stamps you received with your purchase
-- when about the only other thing they sold besides petrol was motor oil, the cans of which (yes, cans!) were neatly stacked in a pyramid. If other items like candy, cigarettes, or soda pop were available, it was pretty much only through vending machines.
-- restroom entrances were on the outside of the building, and you had to ask for the key
-- Esso stations in the United States, or any open station bearing the name "Standard" or "Standard Oil" , apart from the token locations kept to maintain trademark rights
-- rotating signs (especially the Union 76 rotating ball). Or signs with flashing light elements
-- free air. The pump had large, hand-cranked numbers for the tire pressure setting, and there might have been an attached water hose available as well
-- free road maps
-- free glasses
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: lepidopteran on August 19, 2013, 08:27:56 PM
Post by: lepidopteran on August 19, 2013, 08:27:56 PM
-- one traffic signal face in each direction
-- signals mounted only on corner stanchions rather than overhead, or even in the middle of the intersection
-- 4-way "box" signals, sometimes called "pagoda" signals
-- a short dark interval between indications
-- an overlap between green-yellow or yellow-red sequences, intentionally or not
-- Protected lefts required a separate face, and only the green indication was an arrow
-- when the red stayed lit on a protected left on a 3-section face (Pennsylvania still has some of these) and the only time the red indication was dark is when the yellow was lit.
-- an audible load switch sound from the control box when a traffic signal changed indications
-- 8-inch arrows
-- two arrows in the same lens
-- arrows that were taped/painted(?) on the lens, rather than cut out
-- liberal use of four-section signals (R-Y-G-GA), including use of the yellow ball following an arrow-only indication, leading to some confusing sequences, e.g., GA->Y->G while the other signals in that direction were green all along, or G-GA with the GA suddenly disappearing
-- when right turn on red was permitted only if a sign said so, rather than vice-versa
-- the words STOP, CAUTION, or GO embossed on the red, yellow, or green lens respectively. And for that matter, horizontal (R), diagonal (Y), and vertical (G) bars on the lenses
-- when pedestrian signals used the same WALK section for when the DONT was or wasn't lit, it was just illuminated in a different color. (This applied to lots of places, but New York City in particular)
-- WALK indications were in green rather than lunar white
-- when DONT WALKs didn't flash
-- when WALKs did flash
-- use of the word "WAIT" in lieu of DONT WALK, often with ped signals in the same round shape as regular vehicular traffic signals
-- pedestrian signals with text indications (this one is more recent, though)
-- Wiley signals (in San Francisco) or Acme signals (with semaphore arms reading STOP and GO)
-- yellow-free signals, except in NYC where the last ones only vanished less than 10 years ago
-- signals mounted only on corner stanchions rather than overhead, or even in the middle of the intersection
-- 4-way "box" signals, sometimes called "pagoda" signals
-- a short dark interval between indications
-- an overlap between green-yellow or yellow-red sequences, intentionally or not
-- Protected lefts required a separate face, and only the green indication was an arrow
-- when the red stayed lit on a protected left on a 3-section face (Pennsylvania still has some of these) and the only time the red indication was dark is when the yellow was lit.
-- an audible load switch sound from the control box when a traffic signal changed indications
-- 8-inch arrows
-- two arrows in the same lens
-- arrows that were taped/painted(?) on the lens, rather than cut out
-- liberal use of four-section signals (R-Y-G-GA), including use of the yellow ball following an arrow-only indication, leading to some confusing sequences, e.g., GA->Y->G while the other signals in that direction were green all along, or G-GA with the GA suddenly disappearing
-- when right turn on red was permitted only if a sign said so, rather than vice-versa
-- the words STOP, CAUTION, or GO embossed on the red, yellow, or green lens respectively. And for that matter, horizontal (R), diagonal (Y), and vertical (G) bars on the lenses
-- when pedestrian signals used the same WALK section for when the DONT was or wasn't lit, it was just illuminated in a different color. (This applied to lots of places, but New York City in particular)
-- WALK indications were in green rather than lunar white
-- when DONT WALKs didn't flash
-- when WALKs did flash
-- use of the word "WAIT" in lieu of DONT WALK, often with ped signals in the same round shape as regular vehicular traffic signals
-- pedestrian signals with text indications (this one is more recent, though)
-- Wiley signals (in San Francisco) or Acme signals (with semaphore arms reading STOP and GO)
-- yellow-free signals, except in NYC where the last ones only vanished less than 10 years ago
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vdeane on August 19, 2013, 10:09:37 PM
Post by: vdeane on August 19, 2013, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 19, 2013, 01:15:39 PMThere's one like that in Potsdam, NY! I wouldn't recommend it though... expensive gas, sketchy place.
Today though, the gas station is independant of the repair shop, unlike in the past when it was common for the guy pumping your gas to be the same guy working on the vehicles.
EDIT: Actually, there might be two.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vtk on August 19, 2013, 10:19:23 PM
Post by: vtk on August 19, 2013, 10:19:23 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on August 19, 2013, 08:27:56 PM
-- when WALKs did flash
I just saw a flashing walk indication Saturday night in PA. Somewhere on SR 68 west of I-376. It was a white walking-man icon, but it flashed.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: allniter89 on August 19, 2013, 10:35:53 PM
Post by: allniter89 on August 19, 2013, 10:35:53 PM
...the orange Styrofoam balls from Union 76 that you put on your car antennae or between your bike spokes if you were younger.
I remember when most gas stations gave away promotional items with the company logo on them for buying xx gallons. Maps of course, key chains, drinking glasses.
Didnt Esso give away a small stuffed tiger toy in support of their slogan "put a tiger in your tank"?
I remember when most gas stations gave away promotional items with the company logo on them for buying xx gallons. Maps of course, key chains, drinking glasses.
Didnt Esso give away a small stuffed tiger toy in support of their slogan "put a tiger in your tank"?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: NE2 on August 19, 2013, 10:36:35 PM
Post by: NE2 on August 19, 2013, 10:36:35 PM
A flashing walk means there may be turning traffic, right?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Mergingtraffic on August 19, 2013, 10:40:35 PM
Post by: Mergingtraffic on August 19, 2013, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: kurumi on August 19, 2013, 02:37:58 AM
More Connecticut:
SR 533 marker on an I-86 eastbound BGS. Really wish I had taken a photo of that.
General I-86 construction where both directions (2 lanes each way) were sharing one side of the new under-construction right of way.
I'd love to see that. Wasn't there an old I-86 shiled on the back of an I-84 shield?
And, the white "formerly Exit 100" type signs after I-86 vanished.
I'm looking for photos of old CT I-86.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on August 20, 2013, 12:12:38 AM
Post by: roadman65 on August 20, 2013, 12:12:38 AM
If you remember that park roads had a white center line. Back in the early 70's I remember Skyline Drive in Shendenoah National Park having a white center line as one in particular.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: OracleUsr on August 20, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Post by: OracleUsr on August 20, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
I remember the flashing WALK lamp. Virginia and DC were two I remember having it, as late as 1999.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 20, 2013, 08:34:12 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 20, 2013, 08:34:12 AM
If I recall, the Walk had a slightly slower flash than the Don't Walk.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on August 20, 2013, 09:11:32 AM
Post by: thenetwork on August 20, 2013, 09:11:32 AM
...Toll Roads & Bridges with their own style of Trapezoidial or colored signage.
...When all Grocery Stores and Supermarkets would be closed by 9PM every day, and you were lucky if it was open on Sundays (ah, the old "blue laws").
...When crosswalk WALK lights had a horizontal stripe above and below the word WALK on the lens.
...Gas stations which had ladies (sometimes on roller skates) pumping your gas and washing your car windows.
...Gas at under 60 cents a gallon.
...Gas stations with FREE air pumps that always worked. I'm lucky to find a station with a WORKING coin-op air hose!!
...Most roadside signs, especially larger road signs, could go 20+ years without being replaced (Sorry, I don't live in California :-D).
...You can remember where all the the freeway's "Temporary" ends were before it was completely finished.
...When all Grocery Stores and Supermarkets would be closed by 9PM every day, and you were lucky if it was open on Sundays (ah, the old "blue laws").
...When crosswalk WALK lights had a horizontal stripe above and below the word WALK on the lens.
...Gas stations which had ladies (sometimes on roller skates) pumping your gas and washing your car windows.
...Gas at under 60 cents a gallon.
...Gas stations with FREE air pumps that always worked. I'm lucky to find a station with a WORKING coin-op air hose!!
...Most roadside signs, especially larger road signs, could go 20+ years without being replaced (Sorry, I don't live in California :-D).
...You can remember where all the the freeway's "Temporary" ends were before it was completely finished.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on August 20, 2013, 10:45:32 AM
Post by: roadman on August 20, 2013, 10:45:32 AM
The "Barricade 1000 Feet" signs on the Northeast Expressway (now US 1) in Revere (MA) prior to the MA 60 interchange, and the wooden barricades themselves across what was to be the extension of I-95.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on August 20, 2013, 11:14:22 AM
Post by: mgk920 on August 20, 2013, 11:14:22 AM
In Wisconsin...
-Yellow-fronted '12-8-8' stop-and-go lights were the norm.
-US(I)-41 had cross-road intersections between College Ave (WI 125) at Appleton and Winchester Rd at Neenah - as well as five at-grade railroad crossings between Appleton and Milwaukee.
-There was no median barrier on the narrow part of US 41 from Cecil St to Winchester Rd around Neenah.
-Also when Winchester Rd was WI 150, with 'WI 150 being marked all the way into downtown Neenah.
-The US10/WI 441 bridge over Little Lake Butte des Morts between Appleton and Neenah was marked as Winnebago County 'Q'.
-Standard WisDOT-issue route markers had 'US' and 'WIS', in addition to the still used 'COUNTY', across their tops.
-The north-south part of the Madison Beltline on Madison's far west side was a two-lane rural surface highway with intersections.
-'Tire stud' ruts on concrete highways throughout the state.
-US 16
-When I-43 on Milwaukee's north side and on northward was US 141.
-When National Ave and I-43 from Milwaukee southwestward towards Beloit were WI 15.
-WI 29 was a two-lane highway that went through the towns along the way between I-94 and US(I)-41 ('Bloody 29').
-Ashland and Lombardi Aves were US 41 in the Green Bay area.
-The two-lane low-level drawspan on US(I)-41 on the Lake Butte des Morts causeway in Oshkosh.
In Illinois
-The Lake County part of the Tri-State Tollway (I-94) was a four-lane highway (as in '2 x 2').
:wow:
Mike
-Yellow-fronted '12-8-8' stop-and-go lights were the norm.
-US(I)-41 had cross-road intersections between College Ave (WI 125) at Appleton and Winchester Rd at Neenah - as well as five at-grade railroad crossings between Appleton and Milwaukee.
-There was no median barrier on the narrow part of US 41 from Cecil St to Winchester Rd around Neenah.
-Also when Winchester Rd was WI 150, with 'WI 150 being marked all the way into downtown Neenah.
-The US10/WI 441 bridge over Little Lake Butte des Morts between Appleton and Neenah was marked as Winnebago County 'Q'.
-Standard WisDOT-issue route markers had 'US' and 'WIS', in addition to the still used 'COUNTY', across their tops.
-The north-south part of the Madison Beltline on Madison's far west side was a two-lane rural surface highway with intersections.
-'Tire stud' ruts on concrete highways throughout the state.
-US 16
-When I-43 on Milwaukee's north side and on northward was US 141.
-When National Ave and I-43 from Milwaukee southwestward towards Beloit were WI 15.
-WI 29 was a two-lane highway that went through the towns along the way between I-94 and US(I)-41 ('Bloody 29').
-Ashland and Lombardi Aves were US 41 in the Green Bay area.
-The two-lane low-level drawspan on US(I)-41 on the Lake Butte des Morts causeway in Oshkosh.
In Illinois
-The Lake County part of the Tri-State Tollway (I-94) was a four-lane highway (as in '2 x 2').
:wow:
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
While this isn't road-related, I like it too much not to include it in this thread.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2F9de8e49d.jpg&hash=1a268240904e734e6b2020db9c8bfc0f31724b72)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2F9de8e49d.jpg&hash=1a268240904e734e6b2020db9c8bfc0f31724b72)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 01:57:24 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 01:57:24 PM
the handset, as in that thing that vaguely looks like a cell phone but isn't.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 02:17:03 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 01:57:24 PM
the handset, as in that thing that vaguely looks like a cell phone but isn't.
A cell phone? You mean that thing that works like a normal phone but would be a pain if you relied solely on it because you'd have to carry it with you at all times around the house because it doesn't let you have five or six phones sharing the same number so you can put extensions in multiple rooms around the house?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 02:20:27 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 02:20:27 PM
while the technology definitely necessitated it ... I find it entertaining that for over 100 years, individual phones were associated with locations, not people.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: deathtopumpkins on August 20, 2013, 02:37:35 PM
Post by: deathtopumpkins on August 20, 2013, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 02:17:03 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 01:57:24 PM
the handset, as in that thing that vaguely looks like a cell phone but isn't.
A cell phone? You mean that thing that works like a normal phone but would be a pain if you relied solely on it because you'd have to carry it with you at all times around the house because it doesn't let you have five or six phones sharing the same number so you can put extensions in multiple rooms around the house?
You could either:
1) put it in your pocket and leave it there
2) turn the volume up such that you can still hear it in another room
3) port your number to a service like Google Voice, which lets you use your phone on any Internet-enabled device.
Also, does anyone actually ever need more than one or two home phones to cover their entire house? Everywhere I lived before we dropped our home phone years ago we only needed one, though my father had a separate phone for upstairs and downstairs. You could hear both ringing.
Since dropping it we've gotten by just fine without. No one ever used it besides telemarketers anyway, since we had cell phones.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 02:42:49 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 02:42:49 PM
I have not had a land line since 2003. I wonder what portion of the population is landline-free, and how that's changed in the last ~15 years.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 02:55:08 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 02:55:08 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on August 20, 2013, 02:37:35 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 02:17:03 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 01:57:24 PM
the handset, as in that thing that vaguely looks like a cell phone but isn't.
A cell phone? You mean that thing that works like a normal phone but would be a pain if you relied solely on it because you'd have to carry it with you at all times around the house because it doesn't let you have five or six phones sharing the same number so you can put extensions in multiple rooms around the house?
You could either:
1) put it in your pocket and leave it there
2) turn the volume up such that you can still hear it in another room
3) port your number to a service like Google Voice, which lets you use your phone on any Internet-enabled device.
Also, does anyone actually ever need more than one or two home phones to cover their entire house? Everywhere I lived before we dropped our home phone years ago we only needed one, though my father had a separate phone for upstairs and downstairs. You could hear both ringing.
Since dropping it we've gotten by just fine without. No one ever used it besides telemarketers anyway, since we had cell phones.
The point isn't so much whether you can hear a phone ringing somewhere. It's more one of convenience. Our house is three stories. If I'm downstairs and the only phone in the house is two stories up (which isn't the case), I'm going to miss phone calls. I'm not going to keep a mobile phone in my pocket 24/7. If I'm at home, I don't want to carry a mobile phone at all times. I don't carry one with me at all times when I'm not at home, so I'm certainly not going to do so at home. (Examples of places I do not take a mobile phone include movie theatres or churches.)
Frankly, the other thing about mobile phones is that I jealously guard my mobile phone number and am extremely careful to whom I give it. I don't particularly care for this idea some people have that they're entitled to reach you 24/7 wherever you may be. I decide who's able to reach me 24/7 (that universe is limited to certain immediate family members).
One other reason we like having regular phones is that it enables us both to be on the phone at the same time with our relatives without having to use a speakerphone or initiate a conference call.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 03:14:51 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 02:55:08 PMI'm not going to keep a mobile phone in my pocket 24/7.why not? I do.
Quote(Examples of places I do not take a mobile phone include movie theatres or churches.)if I go to a similar event, then I'm just going to ignore my phone. but I still have it.
QuoteI don't particularly care for this idea some people have that they're entitled to reach you 24/7 wherever you may be.I pick up maybe 25% of my phone calls. I've taken to making appointments with people. "we'll talk at 1pm on Tuesday."
QuoteOne other reason we like having regular phones is that it enables us both to be on the phone at the same time with our relatives without having to use a speakerphone or initiate a conference call.that's actually a very valid point.
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Post by: hm insulators on August 20, 2013, 03:16:13 PM
Post by: hm insulators on August 20, 2013, 03:16:13 PM
Quote from: JustDrive on August 18, 2013, 12:24:12 AM
I-215 signed as Temp 15
The 7 and 11 freeways
The 5/91 interchange having left exits and entrances
The 126 east of Santa Paula being a two-lane road
101 having stoplights in downtown Santa Barbara
The unfinished ramps at the 118/23 interchange
17 being signed all the way to San Rafael
480's existence
Macy Street and Brooklyn Avenue in Los Angeles
Santa Barbara Avenue instead of MLK Blvd
Parkway Calabasas being signed as "Craftsman Road" on the 101
Johnson Drive in Ventura being signed as "Sherwin Avenue" on the 101
Getty Center Drive being signed as "Chalon Road" on the 405
The Waterford Street off and onramps on the 405 in Brentwood
125 in La Mesa being a glorified transition road.
905 signed as 117
And my favorite:
The NB 170 ramp to NB 5 was a left entrance.
California 118 not ending at I-210 in Pacoima but continuing through Sunland, Tujunga, La Crescenta and La Canada (which at the time was not the incorporated city of La Canada Flintridge) and into Pasadena, ending at Route 66. This included a little stretch of four-lane freeway between Pasadena and La Canada, a piece of which still exists and is now an extension of Woodbury Road.
US 101 west of Las Virgenes Road a little-bitty four-lane freeway and there was no Lindero Canyon Road at all.
California 39 open to traffic between Crystal Lake and California 2 in the San Gabriel Mountains (winter storms in 1969 and 1978 messed up that stretch).
The very first carpool lane experiment sometime in the 1970s on the Santa Monica Freeway (I-10) where instead of building an additional lane and making it a carpool lane, they took away a regular lane and made it the carpool lane. You can imagine how popular that was with the commuters! :pan: Within a year, it was gone.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
Quote from: hm insulators on August 20, 2013, 03:16:13 PM
California 118 not ending at I-210 in Pacoima but continuing through Sunland, Tujunga, La Crescenta and La Canada (which at the time was not the incorporated city of La Canada Flintridge) and into Pasadena, ending at Route 66. This included a little stretch of four-lane freeway between Pasadena and La Canada, a piece of which still exists and is now an extension of Woodbury Road.
there was a 118 sign from 1962 on Sunland Blvd which survived until ~2007. there was, on that four-lane freeway, a white 1955 Division of Highways guide sign, with the distance to Ventura, which survived until ~2002.
I have no idea what happened to the 118 on a green sign, but as for the white guide sign, I could tell you exactly where it is right now.
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Post by: jeffandnicole on August 20, 2013, 03:54:48 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 20, 2013, 03:54:48 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 02:42:49 PM
I have not had a land line since 2003. I wonder what portion of the population is landline-free, and how that's changed in the last ~15 years.
I think the number is somewhat skewed due to the 'Triple-Play' packages that include TV, Internet and Phone. Many people take the triple play without ever using the phone part of the package.
Overall though, surveys shows the obvious: Younger generations tend not to have landlines; older generations still have them.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 04:13:59 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 03:14:51 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 02:55:08 PMI'm not going to keep a mobile phone in my pocket 24/7.why not? I do.
....
Because I have absolutely no desire to do so!
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: jwolfer on August 20, 2013, 04:43:48 PM
Post by: jwolfer on August 20, 2013, 04:43:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
All throughout our lives many of us have seen road come and go, sign and route changes, freeway additions, and old practices put to rest by the FHWA and MUTCD, lets have a thread where we can all recall something from many years ago that no longer exists. Of course many of us are different ages here that makes the fun as to the younger road enthusiasts will recall ancient stuff to them that are going to be recent to us who are over 40, so it will sound most interesting this way.
I will start by saying that I must be old because I remember these:
New Jersey
The Garden State Parkway used to use exit tabs without the word "EXIT" and had the exit gore sign with its arrow within a circle. In addition the NJDOT sections of the Parkway at Toms River and Northern Middlesex and most of Union County used LGSes for exit guides with the at exit sign in the gore of the ramp diverge.
NJ 17 had traffic signals north of US 46.
NJ roadways were concrete and used cable guard rails wired to white cement posts.
The NJ Turnpike used neon speed limit signs.
The Garden State Parkway allowed 60 mph north of Toms River and only 65 mph south of Toms River.
US 1 and US 130 originally had a traffic circle prior to the former intersection that was interchanged several years ago.
US 1 used US 1 Business into the Brunswick Circle to enter the Trenton Freeway from Strawberry Street.
US 22 only had two traffic signals between Somerville and Clinton: Country Club Road in Bridgewater and Cokesbury Road in Lebanon with flashing beacons in Whitehouse for CR 523.
Morristown, NJ had all double guy traffic signals and I-287 was incomplete north of Basking Ridge and South of NJ 10. All traffic clogged US 202 in Morristown. In addition there were no exit numbers on I-287 and LGSes were used instead of BGSes as guides between Montvale (the original North terminus) and NJ 10.
In Short Hills/ Summit both River Road/ JFK Parkway and NJ 24 met at grade and there was no freeway.
In Watchung, NJ I-78 terminated at Drift Road (Exit 41) with a barricade forcing all motorists off the freeway going eastbound.
NJDOT used white square shields for NJ Secondary 500 series routes. Morris County was the first to use the present gold on blue shields and to actually sign their roadways as many counties did not!
In Woodbridge, NJ I remember when both US 9 and the Garden State Parkway were reversed in their alignments through the massive tangle. US 9 was in the median of the Parkway instead of the GSP being in the middle of US 9 like it is now.
I remember when NJ 23 had only two stoplights between Stockholm, NJ and the NY State Line along the present two lane road: NJ 94 and Downtown Sussex where NJ 23 currently changes alignment.
NJ 94 had no stoplights from its southern terminus at Columbia to US 206 in Newton and furthermore only had one stoplight north of NJ 15 at NJ 23 in Hamburg. NJ 94 and CR 515 in Vernon had a flashing beacon and northbound NJ 94 had to STOP while CR 515 was free flowing and flashed yellow.
Florida
I remember when county routes were shielded with State route shields and the prefix "S".
I remember when I-4 was 4 lanes completely through Orlando and there were no businesses as we know it now near Disney.
I remember when US 192 and World Drive were the only way to enter the Magic Kingdom as the rest of Reedy Creek was not built. World Drive was a rural freeway from 192 to the Parking Lot Toll booth and PARKING AT THE MAGIC KINGDOM WAS 50 CENTS!
I remember all Florida interstates having NO EXIT NUMBERS and State Routes were signed as "Fla XX" in text on guide signs.
I remember when I-75 terminated at malfunction junction in Tampa and I-275 was only signed south of I-4 because the current I-75 south of Exit 275 was not constructed. I-275 was signed as such because it was indeed the defacto route until the early 80's.
I remember when US 41 south of Gibsonton was rural and Apollo Beach had no development and the current bayside hotel was a Holiday Inn.
I remember when SR 482 was FL 528 and the Beachline was under construction west of current Exit 8. Also the Airport mainline toll plaza was not there as FL 528 was an arterial from Boggy Creek Road (not built yet north of Taft) to FL 436.
I, of course, remember all US routes to have colored shields.
I remember when I-10 off of I-95 was a left exit going southbound and the St. Johns River Bridge was tolled.
I also remember when SR 472 in Orange City, FL and SR 551 in Orlando were both SR 15A.
I even remember when SR 408 was shielded with a shield that had an orange on it with EAST WEST Expressway stamped into it and it terminated at Pine Hills (that being a bedroom community then) just west of SR 435 at grade!
I also saw SR 435 having no stoplight at International Drive and Vineland Road despite those two intersections are heavily traveled through near the current Universal Resort.
I especially remembered SR 535 and US 192 intersecting at a wye intersection just east of where the two meet now.
I remembered even in late 1989 when US 192 had no stoplights west of I-4 with its westermost signal being just east of I-4 where Celebration Place is now.
There is a lot I can remember that some of you all will not believe, but this is it for now.
I remember lots of the same things . I don't remember the S-xxx signs but I remember the C-xxx signs. ( as an aside I hate when counties have the pentagon with C-xxx)... I spent my childhood traveling from NJ to Jax 2 or 3 times a year. I think this is where my roadgeekery started. Endless hours in the car making the overnight trip.
here are some more
Having to drive through Fayetteville and Savannah because I-95 was incomplete. Southern Virginia had a section of 301 but it was pretty rural so not too much slower
White lines dividing traffic lanes on two-way roads in Jacksonville/ Duval County.
Jacksonville tolls ( not just the St Johns river bridge)
County Numbers on the Florida tags.. 2 was Duval.. 11 was Alachua... 1 was Dade and 3 was Hillsborough. That changed when I was 5 but I remember liking the idea very much. You can still see these on traffic citations in FL. The cop will write the code for the county. I just got a ticket last year and the county was listed as 48---Clay County... It shows how Florida has grown since 1937 when the nubmers were based on County Population.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on August 20, 2013, 05:23:25 PM
Post by: kkt on August 20, 2013, 05:23:25 PM
The Nimitz Freeway when it was CA-17 and had 11 foot lanes, no shoulders, and exits and entrances every couple of hundred yards.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 05:36:27 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 05:36:27 PM
Quote from: kkt on August 20, 2013, 05:23:25 PM
The Nimitz Freeway when it was CA-17 and had 11 foot lanes, no shoulders, and exits and entrances every couple of hundred yards.
to enjoy something similar today, drive CA-17 south of 880. the entrances and exits aren't all that frequent, but the lanes are narrow, and the road is intensely winding. advisory speed is 45. speed of traffic is 75. enjoy.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 20, 2013, 05:54:59 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 20, 2013, 05:54:59 PM
I remember when not only I-95 was incomplete around Savanah, but when the I-95/ US 17 concurrency near Ridgeland was an arteial and actually saw the upgrade take place with the new freeway lanes being built to the east of US 17. That is why there is a frontage road on the west side as that was part of US 17 originally an through Coosawatachie you can see the frontage road pull away from I-95 and open up to a four lane highway as the original road was not touched in that small town. The same for US 301 at Jarat, VA as where I-95 was constructed along side of it, US 301 lost its northbound lanes so that the new carriageway could be built for SB I-95. Us 301 after leaving its alignment with I-95 becomes 4 lanes exactly at the diverge.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: amroad17 on August 20, 2013, 07:15:56 PM
Post by: amroad17 on August 20, 2013, 07:15:56 PM
Let's see...
Rotary dial phones.
Phone numbers that began with 2 letters and 5 numbers (e.g. OR2-2815) and, before that, full names (Orange2815).
When both New York and Pennsylvania used all text BGS's.
When I-81 was not finished in the Harrisburg area and you had to take I-83 and US 11 south to get back to I-81.
When the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel was two lanes with tolls and there was no Monitor-Merrimac Bridge Tunnel.
When going from Lexington, VA to Charleston, WV did not involve using I-64 the whole way.
When Thruway Exit 39 only allowed you to go on NY 48.
When there were Carrol's hamburger stands in the Syracuse area.
When there used to be Burger Chef's.
When Golden Corral used to serve steaks as a meal instead of on the buffet.
Rotary dial phones.
Phone numbers that began with 2 letters and 5 numbers (e.g. OR2-2815) and, before that, full names (Orange2815).
When both New York and Pennsylvania used all text BGS's.
When I-81 was not finished in the Harrisburg area and you had to take I-83 and US 11 south to get back to I-81.
When the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel was two lanes with tolls and there was no Monitor-Merrimac Bridge Tunnel.
When going from Lexington, VA to Charleston, WV did not involve using I-64 the whole way.
When Thruway Exit 39 only allowed you to go on NY 48.
When there were Carrol's hamburger stands in the Syracuse area.
When there used to be Burger Chef's.
When Golden Corral used to serve steaks as a meal instead of on the buffet.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 20, 2013, 07:31:18 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 20, 2013, 07:31:18 PM
(1) Yellow STOP signs.
(2) Unconnected sections of the Capital Beltway (or as some called it back then, the Circumferential Highway).
(3) Having to drive through the District of Columbia to get from its Maryland suburbs to its Virginia suburbs.
(4) Two lane tunnels on the E-W Mainline of the Pennsylvania Turnpike.
(5) Big blue (not green) sign panels on the New York State Thruway.
(6) The U.S. Park Police driving green AMC Ambassador and later AMC Matator marked patrol cars.
(7) The federal and state-maintained sections of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway being marked with "TO I-95" signs.
(8) The Baltimore Beltway (I-695) not being a complete circumferential road because the "Outer Harbor Crossing" (later the Francis Scott Key Bridge) was not there.
(9) Trips to Western Maryland being brutal because of the limitations of U.S. 40 (much of it was 2 lanes, and some of the crossings of the ridges involved very steep grades up, and a switchback at the crest - for an example of what it was like, consider old U.S. 40 crossing Sideling Hill in Washington County, Md. on GSV here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=hancock+md&ll=39.689356,-78.299389&spn=0.073842,0.154324&hnear=Hancock,+Washington,+Maryland&gl=us&t=h&z=13&layer=c&cbll=39.688986,-78.300054&panoid=lBWnk9t6ozIz9mcin7DjWQ&cbp=12,284.8,,0,0.61)) - or drive U.S. 50 from Winchester, Va. to Red House, Md. in either direction sometime.
(10) Having had the same personal cell phone number since 1985.
(2) Unconnected sections of the Capital Beltway (or as some called it back then, the Circumferential Highway).
(3) Having to drive through the District of Columbia to get from its Maryland suburbs to its Virginia suburbs.
(4) Two lane tunnels on the E-W Mainline of the Pennsylvania Turnpike.
(5) Big blue (not green) sign panels on the New York State Thruway.
(6) The U.S. Park Police driving green AMC Ambassador and later AMC Matator marked patrol cars.
(7) The federal and state-maintained sections of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway being marked with "TO I-95" signs.
(8) The Baltimore Beltway (I-695) not being a complete circumferential road because the "Outer Harbor Crossing" (later the Francis Scott Key Bridge) was not there.
(9) Trips to Western Maryland being brutal because of the limitations of U.S. 40 (much of it was 2 lanes, and some of the crossings of the ridges involved very steep grades up, and a switchback at the crest - for an example of what it was like, consider old U.S. 40 crossing Sideling Hill in Washington County, Md. on GSV here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=hancock+md&ll=39.689356,-78.299389&spn=0.073842,0.154324&hnear=Hancock,+Washington,+Maryland&gl=us&t=h&z=13&layer=c&cbll=39.688986,-78.300054&panoid=lBWnk9t6ozIz9mcin7DjWQ&cbp=12,284.8,,0,0.61)) - or drive U.S. 50 from Winchester, Va. to Red House, Md. in either direction sometime.
(10) Having had the same personal cell phone number since 1985.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on August 20, 2013, 07:39:55 PM
Post by: kkt on August 20, 2013, 07:39:55 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 05:36:27 PMQuote from: kkt on August 20, 2013, 05:23:25 PM
The Nimitz Freeway when it was CA-17 and had 11 foot lanes, no shoulders, and exits and entrances every couple of hundred yards.
to enjoy something similar today, drive CA-17 south of 880. the entrances and exits aren't all that frequent, but the lanes are narrow, and the road is intensely winding. advisory speed is 45. speed of traffic is 75. enjoy.
I've driven that road, though it's been a while. (Pre Loma Prieta Earthquake.) I hope I never have to drive that again. CA-9 is longer and slower, but you're more likely to live to see the other side of the hill.
The Nimitz wasn't nearly as windy as 17 over the mountain, but for some perverse reason the Nimitz was the legal route for trucks from S.F./Oakland to the Central Valley and L.A., while I-580 had the wide lanes and better geometry generally. So on the Nimitz you add hard to see around and merge with trucks to all its other problems.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on August 20, 2013, 07:45:19 PM
Post by: kkt on August 20, 2013, 07:45:19 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 20, 2013, 07:31:18 PM
(10) Having had the same personal cell phone number since 1985.
My grandparents had the same landline telephone number from 1952 to 2008, when the second of them passed away (aside from an area code change).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on August 20, 2013, 07:49:38 PM
Post by: thenetwork on August 20, 2013, 07:49:38 PM
...When construction barrels were just that -- 50 gallon metal drums -- and some poor construction crew took hours, if not days, setting up and removing the hard-to-stack barrels...
...and barricades were made out of metal and wood -- not plastic!!!
...and barricades were made out of metal and wood -- not plastic!!!
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: amroad17 on August 20, 2013, 07:58:37 PM
Post by: amroad17 on August 20, 2013, 07:58:37 PM
Yellow Yield signs.
When I-264 began at Military Highway in Bowers Hill in Chesapeake as well as the steep overpass at the RR tracks there.
When going to Nags Head, NC from the Hampton Roads area involved using only two lane roads.
When the Hampton Roads area used to be called "Tidewater".
When the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland caught fire.
When I-264 began at Military Highway in Bowers Hill in Chesapeake as well as the steep overpass at the RR tracks there.
When going to Nags Head, NC from the Hampton Roads area involved using only two lane roads.
When the Hampton Roads area used to be called "Tidewater".
When the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland caught fire.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 08:26:13 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 08:26:13 PM
Quote from: kkt on August 20, 2013, 07:39:55 PMfor some perverse reason the Nimitz was the legal route for trucks from S.F./Oakland to the Central Valley and L.A., while I-580 had the wide lanes and better geometry generally. So on the Nimitz you add hard to see around and merge with trucks to all its other problems.
the corollary to this is that 580 is one incredibly fun road to drive... before all the trucks come back via 238.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: OracleUsr on August 20, 2013, 08:56:47 PM
Post by: OracleUsr on August 20, 2013, 08:56:47 PM
Or NC 12 terminated at Whalebone Junction, US 158 was divided into Bypass 158 (currently US 158) and Business 158 (now NC 12), and getting to Currituck Beach meant getting off-road onto a beach for part of the way.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: brownpelican on August 21, 2013, 04:17:34 PM
Post by: brownpelican on August 21, 2013, 04:17:34 PM
I remember -
Louisiana
* No I-49. You either took US 71 to Alexandria/Shreveport from NOLA/BTR or went through Jackson via I-55/I-20.
* One span of the Crescent Connection with no tolls and severe backups.
* No I-510 in NOLA East. Paris Road was whole.
* Those flyovers at the west end of the Claiborne Expressway didn't exist.
* The overpass and ramp at Causeway and Jeff. Hwy had two-way traffic
Mississippi
* Four laned I-55 in north Jackson.
* An incomplete I-10 in Jackson County, from Miss. 57 to Franklin Creek Road. Had to take US 90 through Pascagoula and Gautier.
* US 49 and US 90 were the only four-lane highways in south Mississippi.
* No I-110 in Biloxi.
* Traveling on the old US 45, old MS 63 and old US 98.
Louisiana
* No I-49. You either took US 71 to Alexandria/Shreveport from NOLA/BTR or went through Jackson via I-55/I-20.
* One span of the Crescent Connection with no tolls and severe backups.
* No I-510 in NOLA East. Paris Road was whole.
* Those flyovers at the west end of the Claiborne Expressway didn't exist.
* The overpass and ramp at Causeway and Jeff. Hwy had two-way traffic
Mississippi
* Four laned I-55 in north Jackson.
* An incomplete I-10 in Jackson County, from Miss. 57 to Franklin Creek Road. Had to take US 90 through Pascagoula and Gautier.
* US 49 and US 90 were the only four-lane highways in south Mississippi.
* No I-110 in Biloxi.
* Traveling on the old US 45, old MS 63 and old US 98.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: lepidopteran on August 21, 2013, 06:36:32 PM
Post by: lepidopteran on August 21, 2013, 06:36:32 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 20, 2013, 07:58:37 PMAnd for that matter, any Yield sign with the words "RIGHT OF WAY"
Yellow Yield signs.
Do Not Enter signs that were merely black letters on a white background
The sign "No U Turn" with no red circle and line through it; just the three words stacked on a rectangular sign
Any number ordinary yellow diamond of signs without pictograms, e.g. "MERGING TRAFFIC" without the thick lines, "SIGNAL AHEAD" without a R-Y-G signal depicted, STOP AHEAD without a red octagon and an arrow, "SCHOOL" and "SCHOOL CROSSING" without those two block figures walking, etc.
Overhead BGS's illuminated by fluorescent lights, the assembly of which tended to underscore the width of the sign
When streets were lit almost exclusively by mercury vapor lamps, or if you're older, incandescent lights. In either case, the orange-ish glow of sodium vapor was a rarity or novelty.
Swinging wig-wag signals at railroad grade crossings, or vertically-stacked lights reading S-T-O-P.
Ohio
Cloverleaf with tight ramps at the "Crossroads of America" I-70/I-75 interchange
No indoor plumbing at Interstate rest areas
New York
The railroad grade crossing on the NY-17 Quickway near Middletown, or on the I-87 Adirondack Northway near the Mohawk River.
When wooden street lights were commonplace on the Belt Parkway in Brooklyn
New Jersey
When NJ-33 was two lanes between the Turnpike and Freehold Circle, with no jughandles. And 33 entered and left the US-130 multiplex by a directional interchange on one end, and a sort of at-grade interchange on the other.
The traffic signal on the approach to NJTP Interchange 9 (it was always on flash-mode when I went through there)
"Bridge may be slippery"
Florida
You had to slide over to Florida's Turnpike for about 45 miles between Fort Pierce and Palm Beach Gardens because I-95 didn't exist between those two points. Or maybe you remember when I-95 SB continued for one exit past the "breezewood" in (what was then) the middle of nowhere, so the SB thru lanes at the Ft. Pierce exit were signed "Local Traffic Only" .
FL Turnpike exits numbered in multiples of four, and the ticket system was used all through the mainline
When the Seven Mile Bridge and the other bridges connecting The Florida Keys were very narrow, white-knuckle 2-lane roads with no shoulders.
When Alligator Alley was only two forlorn lanes, as was US-27 between South Bay (Lake Okeechobee) and Alligator Alley. And when the two roads met at an at-grade intersection.
When most of what was west of the FL Turnpike in Palm Beach and Broward counties was swampland. And how the Turnpike in that area used to "undulate" to allow for intermittent culverts, apparently to let swamp waters flow through (I think that's what it was for). Indeed, someone once commented how, because of all the development there, the Turnpike "doesn't seem as far west" as it used to be.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 21, 2013, 07:12:17 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 21, 2013, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on August 21, 2013, 06:36:32 PM
And for that matter, any Yield sign with the words "RIGHT OF WAY"
Do Not Enter signs that were merely black letters on a white background
The sign "No U Turn" with no red circle and line through it; just the three words stacked on a rectangular sign
of these three, the third is what is still the most common. lots of small towns have the No U Turn in text form - sometimes even embossed or porcelain! - all down the main drag.
yellow yields are getting more and more rare, but every so often you run across a town (McLean, TX, or Frankfort, SD come to mind immediately) where nearly all of the back roads have them.
as for the text DO NOT ENTER - I know of one surviving in California which is white on black; and I do recall seeing black on white elsewhere, but I do not recall offhand exactly where.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 07:34:55 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 07:34:55 PM
How about the phone booths like on Get Smart except without the elevator LOL!
I remember cut out state route shields in Delaware and when US 301 had two different alignments for both NB and SB. First between Middletown and State Road and then moved between the Summit Bridge and State Road. Yes, NE2 and some others were right about the suffixed US 301 designations as being the directional alignments from each direction in another thread.
I also remember when text route signing in both NY and PA were the norm on interstate guides. I believe that some still exist on parts of I-80, but NY they maybe all gone.
Then the CT Turnpike and NYS Thruway all used blue guides with CT using its old state abreviation (CONN) on state routes. In New York Route was used instead of NY or US on some guides.
Pennsylvania Turnpike used ROUTE XX for all state roads and US XX for the US designations. I remember back in 1984 when the Willow Hill exit used ROUTE 75 and even Hagerstown, MD for a control city. When I returned later that year, it was replaced with new button copy signs that have the current name in upper case on top and the designation with control cities below that are now reflective. Clarks Summit was Scranton, Cranberry was Perry Highway, and US 611 was still kept on the Willow Grove exit guides even in 1980, years after it was decommissioned to PA 611.
In my home state of New Jersey I remember when the original text guide signs were on the four lane section south of Exit 4 with dark green coloring and all ground signs. It was 1983 when the NJTA erected the current reflective and overhead assemblies. Next Exit X Miles was on the 2 mile guides but no control cities or routes were on them. Just the approaching exit by number and 2 MI to it, and then the next exit mileage below it. The NJ Turnpike had mileage signs NB to New York every 10 miles on the tenth mile, and to Trenton, Camden, and the Delaware Memorial Bridge SB every 10 miles on the tenth as well. Some still exist today, but many have been removed.
I remember cut out state route shields in Delaware and when US 301 had two different alignments for both NB and SB. First between Middletown and State Road and then moved between the Summit Bridge and State Road. Yes, NE2 and some others were right about the suffixed US 301 designations as being the directional alignments from each direction in another thread.
I also remember when text route signing in both NY and PA were the norm on interstate guides. I believe that some still exist on parts of I-80, but NY they maybe all gone.
Then the CT Turnpike and NYS Thruway all used blue guides with CT using its old state abreviation (CONN) on state routes. In New York Route was used instead of NY or US on some guides.
Pennsylvania Turnpike used ROUTE XX for all state roads and US XX for the US designations. I remember back in 1984 when the Willow Hill exit used ROUTE 75 and even Hagerstown, MD for a control city. When I returned later that year, it was replaced with new button copy signs that have the current name in upper case on top and the designation with control cities below that are now reflective. Clarks Summit was Scranton, Cranberry was Perry Highway, and US 611 was still kept on the Willow Grove exit guides even in 1980, years after it was decommissioned to PA 611.
In my home state of New Jersey I remember when the original text guide signs were on the four lane section south of Exit 4 with dark green coloring and all ground signs. It was 1983 when the NJTA erected the current reflective and overhead assemblies. Next Exit X Miles was on the 2 mile guides but no control cities or routes were on them. Just the approaching exit by number and 2 MI to it, and then the next exit mileage below it. The NJ Turnpike had mileage signs NB to New York every 10 miles on the tenth mile, and to Trenton, Camden, and the Delaware Memorial Bridge SB every 10 miles on the tenth as well. Some still exist today, but many have been removed.
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Post by: roadman on August 21, 2013, 07:46:16 PM
Post by: roadman on August 21, 2013, 07:46:16 PM
Here's another from Massachusetts: Interstate 95 route assemblies on the original elevated Central Artery through Downtown Boston, which appeared for a brief time in the mid to late 1960s.
Unlike the pull-thru signs for I-95 on the Tobin Bridge, one of which lasted into the late 1990s, the Central Artery assemblies had cardinal direction plates instead of "TO".
I vividly recall these I-95 assemblies from my childhood (we summered on the Cape, and my father always drove through Downtown Boston). Twenty years later, by looking through old MassDPW records, I was finally able to verify that it wasn't my imagination.
Unlike the pull-thru signs for I-95 on the Tobin Bridge, one of which lasted into the late 1990s, the Central Artery assemblies had cardinal direction plates instead of "TO".
I vividly recall these I-95 assemblies from my childhood (we summered on the Cape, and my father always drove through Downtown Boston). Twenty years later, by looking through old MassDPW records, I was finally able to verify that it wasn't my imagination.
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Post by: Mapmikey on August 21, 2013, 08:56:51 PM
Post by: Mapmikey on August 21, 2013, 08:56:51 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 21, 2013, 07:12:17 PMQuote from: lepidopteran on August 21, 2013, 06:36:32 PM
And for that matter, any Yield sign with the words "RIGHT OF WAY"
Do Not Enter signs that were merely black letters on a white background
The sign "No U Turn" with no red circle and line through it; just the three words stacked on a rectangular sign
of these three, the third is what is still the most common. lots of small towns have the No U Turn in text form - sometimes even embossed or porcelain! - all down the main drag.
yellow yields are getting more and more rare, but every so often you run across a town (McLean, TX, or Frankfort, SD come to mind immediately) where nearly all of the back roads have them.
as for the text DO NOT ENTER - I know of one surviving in California which is white on black; and I do recall seeing black on white elsewhere, but I do not recall offhand exactly where.
Here is a black on white DO NOT ENTER plus a bonus NO LEFT TURN still up as of May 2012 in Rocky Mt, VA
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Foldsigns%2Foldnoleftturn.jpg&hash=12495aa4cdf21caedfb19f091a5326b41c66f7c9)
This one in Richlands, VA was still up in Sept 2009
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Foldsigns%2Fonewaytraffic.jpg&hash=aede79a9f464a3180e40f293e5da64ab477c9230)
Mapmikey
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Post by: lepidopteran on August 21, 2013, 09:33:20 PM
Post by: lepidopteran on August 21, 2013, 09:33:20 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 07:34:55 PMI think there's still a "Trenton 30 Miles" sign still standing.
The NJ Turnpike had mileage signs NB to New York every 10 miles on the tenth mile, and to Trenton, Camden, and the Delaware Memorial Bridge SB every 10 miles on the tenth as well. Some still exist today, but many have been removed.
However, I remember two different sets of "New York XX Miles" signs. The older set was just like the Trenton one, namely, low to the ground and with button copy. But I also remember a more recent set that only vanished maybe twelve years ago. These signs were higher up with larger text, and they used an unfamiliar font. I think they began at 100 miles. Also, though my evidence for this is faint, I suspect that the older set of signs set New York at a point further north, like the GWB, while the newer set had a benchmark further south, like the Holland Tunnel perhaps.
(I remember reading on another board or m.t.r. that the mileage to NYC on I-95 south of the NJTP refers to the GWB)
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Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 09:41:55 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 09:41:55 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on August 21, 2013, 09:33:20 PMThere used to be a sign NB at the Raritan River near New Brunswick that had New York at 30 Miles. That would be for the GWB as the Holland Tunnel (Downtown New York) is about 20 from there. If you want to get technical it would be 10 Miles to the closest point any connecting road enters the city as it would be NJ 440 from Exit 10 into Staten Island.Quote from: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 07:34:55 PMI think there's still a "Trenton 30 Miles" sign still standing.
The NJ Turnpike had mileage signs NB to New York every 10 miles on the tenth mile, and to Trenton, Camden, and the Delaware Memorial Bridge SB every 10 miles on the tenth as well. Some still exist today, but many have been removed.
However, I remember two different sets of "New York XX Miles" signs. The older set was just like the Trenton one, namely, low to the ground and with button copy. But I also remember a more recent set that only vanished maybe twelve years ago. These signs were higher up with larger text, and they used an unfamiliar font. I think they began at 100 miles. Also, though my evidence for this is faint, I suspect that the older set of signs set New York at a point further north, like the GWB, while the newer set had a benchmark further south, like the Holland Tunnel perhaps.
(I remember reading on another board or m.t.r. that the mileage to NYC on I-95 south of the NJTP refers to the GWB)
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Post by: cpzilliacus on August 21, 2013, 09:53:09 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 21, 2013, 09:53:09 PM
More ...
(11) When Amoco or American (Standard of Indiana, "Standard" in some states) gas stations were the only places to purchase unleaded fuel in most of the United States.
Amoco Super Premium was dispensed from a pump with the label on the lower panel that read:
(12) When Flying A was a chain of gas stations in the East.
(13) When Homoco (short for Homes Oil Company) had a chain of gas stations in Maryland and nearby areas of D.C. and Virginia. One Homoco still stands as an XTRA station on U.S. 301 between Md. 214 and Md. 197 in Prince George's County.
(14) Sinclair gas stations (mentioned above) were once common in the East as well. In the late 1960's or early 1970's, they left the East and many morphed into BP stations.
(15) ARCO gas stations (and AMPM Mini Mart stores) was also once pretty common in the East. Not any longer.
(16) Another chain that still exists in California but not in the East is Jack-in-the-Box. There used to be one on Md. 450 in New Carrollton.
(17) On newly-completed I-70 in Maryland between Hagerstown and Frederick, instead of erecting steel gantries for overhead signs, Maryland SRC (I think it was still SRC back then) put up wooden utility poles adjacent to each roadway, strung span wire from them, and hung (smallish) BGS panels from the wires (I have never seen that on an Interstate before or since).
(18) The Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway was the only limited-access highway crossing Baltimore City, and it was not signed as I-895 - just TO I-95.
(19) The very first variable message sign (not including the red neon units on the New Jersey Turnpike) I ever saw was a one line unit on I-95 southbound approaching I-695. It had some static wording about the status of the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel, and the only message I ever saw on it read "BACKUP." Otherwise it was blank.
(20) What is now I-395 in Virignia and I-95 from Springfield to the U.S. 1 interchange in Lorton (Exit 161 now) was signed as "Shirley Highway" (it is still called that officially, but it has been a long time since I have seen it on a sign panel, though his name can be found in the Virginia MUTCD supplement on a sample sign.). For those that may not know, Henry G. Shirley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_G._Shirley) was Virginia's first Commissioner of Highways.
(11) When Amoco or American (Standard of Indiana, "Standard" in some states) gas stations were the only places to purchase unleaded fuel in most of the United States.
Amoco Super Premium was dispensed from a pump with the label on the lower panel that read:
QuoteThe only one - CERTIFIED LEAD-FREEExample of a 1960's vintage toy pump (check the per-gallon price!) that was up for auction here (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5321198).
(12) When Flying A was a chain of gas stations in the East.
(13) When Homoco (short for Homes Oil Company) had a chain of gas stations in Maryland and nearby areas of D.C. and Virginia. One Homoco still stands as an XTRA station on U.S. 301 between Md. 214 and Md. 197 in Prince George's County.
(14) Sinclair gas stations (mentioned above) were once common in the East as well. In the late 1960's or early 1970's, they left the East and many morphed into BP stations.
(15) ARCO gas stations (and AMPM Mini Mart stores) was also once pretty common in the East. Not any longer.
(16) Another chain that still exists in California but not in the East is Jack-in-the-Box. There used to be one on Md. 450 in New Carrollton.
(17) On newly-completed I-70 in Maryland between Hagerstown and Frederick, instead of erecting steel gantries for overhead signs, Maryland SRC (I think it was still SRC back then) put up wooden utility poles adjacent to each roadway, strung span wire from them, and hung (smallish) BGS panels from the wires (I have never seen that on an Interstate before or since).
(18) The Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway was the only limited-access highway crossing Baltimore City, and it was not signed as I-895 - just TO I-95.
(19) The very first variable message sign (not including the red neon units on the New Jersey Turnpike) I ever saw was a one line unit on I-95 southbound approaching I-695. It had some static wording about the status of the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel, and the only message I ever saw on it read "BACKUP." Otherwise it was blank.
(20) What is now I-395 in Virignia and I-95 from Springfield to the U.S. 1 interchange in Lorton (Exit 161 now) was signed as "Shirley Highway" (it is still called that officially, but it has been a long time since I have seen it on a sign panel, though his name can be found in the Virginia MUTCD supplement on a sample sign.). For those that may not know, Henry G. Shirley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_G._Shirley) was Virginia's first Commissioner of Highways.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 10:16:41 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 10:16:41 PM
I remember when I-695 in MD was signed as MD 695 on the east part of the loop and the Baltimore Beltway was a super two east of the Key Bridge near Dundalk.
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Post by: vtk on August 21, 2013, 11:37:18 PM
Post by: vtk on August 21, 2013, 11:37:18 PM
SOHIO gas stations in Columbus. I think almost all of them became BP stations.
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Post by: OracleUsr on August 22, 2013, 12:36:18 AM
Post by: OracleUsr on August 22, 2013, 12:36:18 AM
Speaking of gas stations...remember when their corner signs used to rotate?
I passed a vintage Standard Oil tin sign replica on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, not far from Peninsula Point on Lake Michigan, back in July. Loved that, had to get pictures of it. It was moments like that that made me almost forget winding up 600+ miles from Detroit Airport (I went to Copper Harbor on Lake Superior and made that discovery after photographing the CH Lighthouse) the day before my flight was to leave. I love the tin signs and I'm happy that there are people who still appreciate them.
Here's one: local businesses using fluorescent-lit signs with soda company logos on them.
I passed a vintage Standard Oil tin sign replica on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, not far from Peninsula Point on Lake Michigan, back in July. Loved that, had to get pictures of it. It was moments like that that made me almost forget winding up 600+ miles from Detroit Airport (I went to Copper Harbor on Lake Superior and made that discovery after photographing the CH Lighthouse) the day before my flight was to leave. I love the tin signs and I'm happy that there are people who still appreciate them.
Here's one: local businesses using fluorescent-lit signs with soda company logos on them.
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Post by: briantroutman on August 22, 2013, 01:45:43 AM
Post by: briantroutman on August 22, 2013, 01:45:43 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 21, 2013, 09:53:09 PM
(16) Another chain that still exists in California but not in the East is Jack-in-the-Box. There used to be one on Md. 450 in New Carrollton.
They're much larger than California. Visit Dallas or Houston and they're seemingly everywhere. They also have a presence in the St. Louis, Nashville, and Charlotte metros. They've been running a lot of national TV advertising–just as Sonic did before their major national push–and Jack is making a similar expansion effort.
Jack in the Box also owns Qdoba, which is national.
But yes, there used to be locations in the Mid Atlantic and Northeast...my dad was telling me about going to Jack in the Box in DE and NJ growing up. They overexpanded in the '60s and '70s (when they were owned by Ralston Purina) trying to chase McDonalds and were forced to contract considerably by the '80s.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 22, 2013, 08:52:13 AM
Post by: roadman65 on August 22, 2013, 08:52:13 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 22, 2013, 01:45:43 AMI remember when Jack In The Box were the only ones to have a drive through when they were in NJ. Not sure if they invented that concept or not, but it was original to talk into the Jack-in--the-box to place your order as others just use the flat menu boards or even the speaker/ microphone on a post.Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 21, 2013, 09:53:09 PM
(16) Another chain that still exists in California but not in the East is Jack-in-the-Box. There used to be one on Md. 450 in New Carrollton.
They're much larger than California. Visit Dallas or Houston and they're seemingly everywhere. They also have a presence in the St. Louis, Nashville, and Charlotte metros. They've been running a lot of national TV advertising–just as Sonic did before their major national push–and Jack is making a similar expansion effort.
Jack in the Box also owns Qdoba, which is national.
But yes, there used to be locations in the Mid Atlantic and Northeast...my dad was telling me about going to Jack in the Box in DE and NJ growing up. They overexpanded in the '60s and '70s (when they were owned by Ralston Purina) trying to chase McDonalds and were forced to contract considerably by the '80s.
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Post by: Brandon on August 22, 2013, 09:25:11 AM
Post by: Brandon on August 22, 2013, 09:25:11 AM
Quote from: vtk on August 21, 2013, 11:37:18 PM
SOHIO gas stations in Columbus. I think almost all of them became BP stations.
BP bought SOHIO back in the late 1960s. They changed the brand in the late 1980s/early 1990s. The Ohio Turnpike service plazas used to be all SOHIO stations at one time.
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Post by: Brandon on August 22, 2013, 09:26:44 AM
Post by: Brandon on August 22, 2013, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 22, 2013, 01:45:43 AMQuote from: cpzilliacus on August 21, 2013, 09:53:09 PM
(16) Another chain that still exists in California but not in the East is Jack-in-the-Box. There used to be one on Md. 450 in New Carrollton.
They're much larger than California. Visit Dallas or Houston and they're seemingly everywhere. They also have a presence in the St. Louis, Nashville, and Charlotte metros. They've been running a lot of national TV advertising–just as Sonic did before their major national push–and Jack is making a similar expansion effort.
Jack in the Box also owns Qdoba, which is national.
But yes, there used to be locations in the Mid Atlantic and Northeast...my dad was telling me about going to Jack in the Box in DE and NJ growing up. They overexpanded in the '60s and '70s (when they were owned by Ralston Purina) trying to chase McDonalds and were forced to contract considerably by the '80s.
Another expansion for Jack in the Box? They used to have an outlet in Joliet, Illinois until the early 1980s. The building later became a Popeye's Chicken.
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Post by: 1995hoo on August 22, 2013, 09:45:41 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 22, 2013, 09:45:41 AM
I only recall ever seeing one Jack-in-the-Box on the East Coast, although I know they had other locations. The one I recall was at the corner of Gallows Road and Lee Highway (US-29) in Merrifield, Virginia; the building later became a Pizza Hut and after that a Taco Bell, and it's now been demolished because there are plans to grade-separate the roads there. The Jack-in-the-Box was never particularly crowded–there was a Roy Rogers diagonally across the intersection (it's now an Arby's) that always got far more business.
cpzilliacus's comment about Homoco makes me remember Hoggoco gas. It was the gas brand sold in Hazzard County on The Dukes of Hazzard. Hey, Boss Hogg owned everything else, so why not the gas station too?
People think it's no longer called that. I recall at one point the Wikipedia article about I-395 was edited to say I-395 is part of what was formerly known as Shirley Highway. (I fixed it.) I've heard Bob Marbourg of WTOP use that name on occasion, even in the past year or so, when he wants to refer to both I-95 and I-395 together (I do the same).
cpzilliacus's comment about Homoco makes me remember Hoggoco gas. It was the gas brand sold in Hazzard County on The Dukes of Hazzard. Hey, Boss Hogg owned everything else, so why not the gas station too?
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 21, 2013, 09:53:09 PM....
(20) What is now I-395 in Virignia and I-95 from Springfield to the U.S. 1 interchange in Lorton (Exit 161 now) was signed as "Shirley Highway" (it is still called that officially, but it has been a long time since I have seen it on a sign panel, though his name can be found in the Virginia MUTCD supplement on a sample sign.). For those that may not know, Henry G. Shirley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_G._Shirley) was Virginia's first Commissioner of Highways.
People think it's no longer called that. I recall at one point the Wikipedia article about I-395 was edited to say I-395 is part of what was formerly known as Shirley Highway. (I fixed it.) I've heard Bob Marbourg of WTOP use that name on occasion, even in the past year or so, when he wants to refer to both I-95 and I-395 together (I do the same).
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Post by: RoadWarrior56 on August 22, 2013, 09:58:45 AM
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on August 22, 2013, 09:58:45 AM
You are too old if you remember all centerlines on two-lane roads being skip white instead of skip yellow. You are also too old if you remember "Merging Traffic" word warning signs rather than the merge warning diagram sign.
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Post by: roadman on August 22, 2013, 12:31:39 PM
Post by: roadman on August 22, 2013, 12:31:39 PM
Speaking of gas stations, you're too old if you remember Esso - or Enco in certain states, and there was a third name in other states that I can't recall right now (CRS kicking in).
Bonus if you remember the prototype Exxon signs (there were three variations) that appeared in a handful of cities before the brand was formally changed in 1972. Manchester NH, where my grandparents lived, was one of the Exxon "prototype" cities, and it was always funny to me to see a different style Exxon sign at each station in Manchester, but the same old Esso signs at the stations just across the city line in Hooksett.
Bonus if you remember the prototype Exxon signs (there were three variations) that appeared in a handful of cities before the brand was formally changed in 1972. Manchester NH, where my grandparents lived, was one of the Exxon "prototype" cities, and it was always funny to me to see a different style Exxon sign at each station in Manchester, but the same old Esso signs at the stations just across the city line in Hooksett.
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Post by: vtk on August 22, 2013, 12:54:50 PM
Post by: vtk on August 22, 2013, 12:54:50 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on August 22, 2013, 12:36:18 AM
Speaking of gas stations...remember when their corner signs used to rotate?
There's a business in the Columbus area called K. A. Menendian which sells and cleans rugs. They have a rotating four-face sign on the street corner.
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Post by: briantroutman on August 22, 2013, 01:01:27 PM
Post by: briantroutman on August 22, 2013, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: roadman on August 22, 2013, 12:31:39 PM
Speaking of gas stations, you're too old if you remember Esso - or Enco in certain states, and there was a third name in other states that I can't recall right now (CRS kicking in).
"Humble" was the third. It came into use in some markets after SOHIO complained that the Enco name and logo were too similar to Esso–and infringed on SOHIO's exclusive right to use the "Standard" trademark in their operating areas. This was probably another turning point that led to creation of the Exxon brand name.
The Library of Congress has the sheet where Raymond Loewy–a truly remarkable graphic designer who also created the Hoover logo, the Studebaker Avanti, and Pennsylvania Railroad locomotives–sketched out his first ideas for the Exxon logo.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F17NoPkF&hash=bde1ee4b3cbfe9c9a47012977d172a5292e857e0)
There are still Esso stations in Canada and internationally. My ExxonMobil credit card still has the Esso logo in it.
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Post by: US71 on August 22, 2013, 01:14:31 PM
Post by: US71 on August 22, 2013, 01:14:31 PM
Quote from: roadman on August 22, 2013, 12:31:39 PMHumble
Speaking of gas stations, you're too old if you remember Esso - or Enco in certain states, and there was a third name in other states that I can't recall right now (CRS kicking in).
Quote
Bonus if you remember the prototype Exxon signs (there were three variations) that appeared in a handful of cities before the brand was formally changed in 1972. Manchester NH, where my grandparents lived, was one of the Exxon "prototype" cities, and it was always funny to me to see a different style Exxon sign at each station in Manchester, but the same old Esso signs at the stations just across the city line in Hooksett.
I'd love to see the prototype sign if you have any photos.
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Post by: roadman on August 22, 2013, 01:39:17 PM
Post by: roadman on August 22, 2013, 01:39:17 PM
Quote from: US71 on August 22, 2013, 01:14:31 PMQuote from: roadman on August 22, 2013, 12:31:39 PMHumble
Speaking of gas stations, you're too old if you remember Esso - or Enco in certain states, and there was a third name in other states that I can't recall right now (CRS kicking in).Quote
Bonus if you remember the prototype Exxon signs (there were three variations) that appeared in a handful of cities before the brand was formally changed in 1972. Manchester NH, where my grandparents lived, was one of the Exxon "prototype" cities, and it was always funny to me to see a different style Exxon sign at each station in Manchester, but the same old Esso signs at the stations just across the city line in Hooksett.
I'd love to see the prototype sign if you have any photos.
Didn't occur to me to take photos (I was 8 or 9 at the time). But I vividly recall that one of the prototypes was a red oval (similar to the Esso LOGO) with EXXON in white. And, yes, it was a "traditional" rotating (and illuminated) sign.
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Post by: PHLBOS on August 22, 2013, 02:01:36 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on August 22, 2013, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2013, 06:53:00 PMalso, in the early 90s, they got rid of two huge oil storage tanks - one of which said Bostongas and one of which was painted with rainbow stripes - from just beside the south end of the Artery.One of those tanks is still there. Traffic reporters used to refer to that spot as the gas tanks; now they just say the gas tank.
It's actually along the Southeast Expressway near Exit 14 (see below Google Streetview shot from I-93 North)
http://goo.gl/maps/k6Psj (http://goo.gl/maps/k6Psj)
Quote from: roadman on August 21, 2013, 07:46:16 PMI, for one, would love to see those photos or drawings of those.
Here's another from Massachusetts: Interstate 95 route assemblies on the original elevated Central Artery through Downtown Boston, which appeared for a brief time in the mid to late 1960s.
Unlike the pull-thru signs for I-95 on the Tobin Bridge, one of which lasted into the late 1990s, the Central Artery assemblies had cardinal direction plates instead of "TO".
I vividly recall these I-95 assemblies from my childhood (we summered on the Cape, and my father always drove through Downtown Boston). Twenty years later, by looking through old MassDPW records, I was finally able to verify that it wasn't my imagination.
Here's a few more Bay State ones:
-The yellow lights along the (Mystic) Tobin Bridge railings; these lights faced away from the driver and could be seen from behind.
-The red neon REDUCE SPEED sign shortly after the southbound Tobin Bridge toll booths, mounted on the overhead truss. The sign would flash ACCIDENT AHEAD if such was present.
-Northbound Tobin Bridge toll booths in operation and Callahan Tunnel toll booths.
-Red DONT WALK and green WALK signals. I saw these near Boston Common in my childhood circa the early 70s.
-Flashing Las Vegas style advertisement signs. Similar to the ol' CITGO sign near Fenway; I'm referring to the ol' Coca-Cola sign in Cambridge (easily visable when riding along Storrow or Memorial Drive) and the WHITE FUEL oil well sign on top of a building at Kenmore Square.
-The cartoon pilgrim aka the Mass Pike's mascot. Usually seen on toll tickets, maps and other Pike-related literature.
-The arrow through the Mass Pike pilgrim hat, which was originally part of the Mass Pike logo. Contrary to popular belief, the arrow was dropped from the logo due to motorists mistaking it for a directional arrow.
-Riding along the original ramps to/from the Central Artery that were torn down during the 70s (example: the southbound on-ramp from Clinton St.)
Quote from: roadman on August 20, 2013, 10:45:32 AMSimilar also existed at the I-95/93/(128) interchange in Canton (across what was to be I-95 North) and at the I-95/495 interchange in Mansfield (prior to 495 being extended southward - barricade extended across I-495 South).
The "Barricade 1000 Feet" signs on the Northeast Expressway (now US 1) in Revere (MA) prior to the MA 60 interchange, and the wooden barricades themselves across what was to be the extension of I-95.
Quote from: roadman on August 22, 2013, 12:31:39 PMOr the cartoon oil drop character associated w/Esso. I believe the brand still exists in Canada; at least it did in 1981 when I was in New Brunswick.
Speaking of gas stations, you're too old if you remember Esso.
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Post by: theline on August 22, 2013, 02:08:04 PM
Post by: theline on August 22, 2013, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: Brandon on August 22, 2013, 09:25:11 AMQuote from: vtk on August 21, 2013, 11:37:18 PM
SOHIO gas stations in Columbus. I think almost all of them became BP stations.
BP bought SOHIO back in the late 1960s. They changed the brand in the late 1980s/early 1990s. The Ohio Turnpike service plazas used to be all SOHIO stations at one time.
SOHIO had the best gas station maps of Ohio. Giant tri-folds with plenty of city insets. I always had to get one every year when we visited Ohio. I've probably got one squirreled away in a box, but lord knows where.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on August 22, 2013, 02:40:46 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 22, 2013, 02:40:46 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 22, 2013, 02:01:36 PMSimilar to the ol' CITGO sign near Fenway; I'm referring to the ol' Coca-Cola sign in Cambridge (easily visable when riding along Storrow or Memorial Drive) and the WHITE FUEL oil well sign on top of a building at Kenmore Square.
I believe the huge Shell sign is still around, but the Strawberries (record store) sign is gone. both on Memorial Drive.
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Post by: Brandon on August 22, 2013, 02:46:42 PM
Post by: Brandon on August 22, 2013, 02:46:42 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 22, 2013, 02:01:36 PMQuote from: roadman on August 22, 2013, 12:31:39 PMOr the cartoon oil drop character associated w/Esso. I believe the brand still exists in Canada; at least it did in 1981 when I was in New Brunswick.
Speaking of gas stations, you're too old if you remember Esso.
Esso does still in fact exist in Canada. It is only in the US where it became Exxon.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 02:51:30 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: roadman on August 22, 2013, 12:31:39 PM
Speaking of gas stations, you're too old if you remember Esso - or Enco in certain states, and there was a third name in other states that I can't recall right now (CRS kicking in).
I remember Esso well. All of them also had a sign (usually on the building itself) that read Humble. Esso was flipped to Exxon in the East about 1971 or 1972.
I have seen (recently) pumps in Exxon stations in Virginia dispensing Diesel fuel from pumps with label Esso Auto Diesel, presumably because they want to protect the Esso name in the states where they are entitled to use it.
Next time I see an Esso Diesel pump, I will snap an image of it.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 22, 2013, 02:53:39 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 22, 2013, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 02:51:30 PMIn California it was Enco! That I saw back in 1971 when LAX had underground tunnels to go from the terminal to the gate areas. Now the buildings are now connected above ground.Quote from: roadman on August 22, 2013, 12:31:39 PM
Speaking of gas stations, you're too old if you remember Esso - or Enco in certain states, and there was a third name in other states that I can't recall right now (CRS kicking in).
I remember Esso well. All of them also had a sign (usually on the building itself) that read Humble. Esso was flipped to Exxon in the East about 1971 or 1972.
I have seen (recently) pumps in Exxon stations in Virginia dispensing Diesel fuel from pumps with label Esso Auto Diesel, presumably because they want to protect the Esso name in the states where they are entitled to use it.
Next time I see an Esso Diesel pump, I will snap an image of it.
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Post by: xcellntbuy on August 22, 2013, 03:08:44 PM
Post by: xcellntbuy on August 22, 2013, 03:08:44 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on August 19, 2013, 08:18:18 PMYou have captured these so well! And yes, I remember, mostly before the first energy crisis in 1973-74.
-- how pumping your own fuel was unheard of (unless you live in NJ or Oregon) And they'd volunteer to check your oil, check your tire pressure, clean your windshield, etc. (Note that a Shell station in Ohio had a "mini-serve" island, where they only pumped your gas and not those other things)
-- the catchphrase "Fill er up, with regular
-- all gasoline contained lead; grades besides Regular were labeled "Hi-Test, "Premium, "Ethyl, "Super, "No-Nox, etc.
-- there was a separate nozzle/hose for each grade, usually at a separate pump assembly altogether (Sunoco was a notable exception)
-- the familiar "ding-ding sound when you ran over the pressurized hose, to let the attendant (who was likely working under a hood in the garage) know that a customer drove up; not to be confused with the softer, single "ding that some pumps emitted as the amount purchased rolled over each dollar increment
-- when gas stations were known as "service stations, and as such, a station without service bays was an anomaly
-- when roofs over the pump area, if you even knew of any, were the exception rather than the rule
-- they had analog "wheels on the pump dial for the number of gallons and "This sale, some of which didn't exceed $9.99 as a total! And only 2 digits were in the price-per-gallon window (OK, plus the fractional amount.)
-- when the gallons pumped window used fractional notation -- 1/10, 2/10, etc. -- rather than a decimal point, even though tenths mean the same thing
-- when there was sight glass on the pump
-- when there was a lit "globe in the shape of the logo atop the pump
-- when the nozzle was nested on the side of the pump, not the front.
-- when they accepted house credit cards only, e.g., at a Gulf station, you could only use a Gulf credit card.
-- the sound of that handheld slider device for making an imprint of your charge card
-- S&H Green Stamps, Top Value Stamps, and other trading stamps you received with your purchase
-- when about the only other thing they sold besides petrol was motor oil, the cans of which (yes, cans!) were neatly stacked in a pyramid. If other items like candy, cigarettes, or soda pop were available, it was pretty much only through vending machines.
-- restroom entrances were on the outside of the building, and you had to ask for the key
-- Esso stations in the United States, or any open station bearing the name "Standard or "Standard Oil, apart from the token locations kept to maintain trademark rights
-- rotating signs (especially the Union 76 rotating ball). Or signs with flashing light elements
-- free air. The pump had large, hand-cranked numbers for the tire pressure setting, and there might have been an attached water hose available as well
-- free road maps
-- free glasses
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Post by: roadman65 on August 22, 2013, 03:43:51 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 22, 2013, 03:43:51 PM
Not to mention your neighborhood mechanic was your gas attendant too! Maps were indeed free and coke/pepsi machines were the beverages and if you needed candy and cigarettes you went to either a sundry store or a candy store. No convenience stores until 7 Eleven came out later on! No 24/7 businesses either and you could not buy gas overnight except in truck stops maybe!
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Post by: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 04:02:32 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 04:02:32 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 10:16:41 PM
I remember when I-695 in MD was signed as MD 695 on the east part of the loop and the Baltimore Beltway was a super two east of the Key Bridge near Dundalk.
In the earliest days of the F. S. Key Bridge (opened 1977), the approach on the west side was also a Super-2 - all the way from the present-day Md. 10 interchange (and including the Curtis Bay drawbridge) to the foot of the big bridge.
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Post by: roadman on August 22, 2013, 04:05:33 PM
Post by: roadman on August 22, 2013, 04:05:33 PM
@PHLBOS - Regarding the I-95 route assemblies along the elevated Central Artery, I have an official MassDPW photo of one. I also have an official photo of one of the original BGS panels on the Somerville section of I-93 that has an I-95 shield. You've now given me a project to dig through my archives and find them (then figure out a way to post them to the group).
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Post by: kkt on August 22, 2013, 04:06:49 PM
Post by: kkt on August 22, 2013, 04:06:49 PM
In the S.F. Bay Area:
I-480 signs
Missing movements from CA-92 westbound to US-101 southbound and US-101 northbound to CA-92 eastbound
Missing movements from (what was then) CA-238 westbound to CA-17 southbound and CA-17 northbound to CA-238 eastbound
Market Street before it was dug up for the BART/Muni tunnel
The Pacheco Pass highway as 2-lane road most of the way
US-101 south of San Jose as blood alley, 4 lane undivided with many stoplights and left turns for fruitstands
The unauthorized homemade sculpture garden on tideflats west of I-80 just north of the Bay Bridge
The original Dumbarton Bridge - 2 narrow lanes, drawbridge, truss which limited tall or wide vehicles. The original S.F. bay bridge crossing!
And elsewhere --
In Seattle, no connection from I-90 to I-5. And now that we've got it, it's consistently so backed up you're better off on surface streets.
No speed limit in Nevada outside of towns
I-480 signs
Missing movements from CA-92 westbound to US-101 southbound and US-101 northbound to CA-92 eastbound
Missing movements from (what was then) CA-238 westbound to CA-17 southbound and CA-17 northbound to CA-238 eastbound
Market Street before it was dug up for the BART/Muni tunnel
The Pacheco Pass highway as 2-lane road most of the way
US-101 south of San Jose as blood alley, 4 lane undivided with many stoplights and left turns for fruitstands
The unauthorized homemade sculpture garden on tideflats west of I-80 just north of the Bay Bridge
The original Dumbarton Bridge - 2 narrow lanes, drawbridge, truss which limited tall or wide vehicles. The original S.F. bay bridge crossing!
And elsewhere --
In Seattle, no connection from I-90 to I-5. And now that we've got it, it's consistently so backed up you're better off on surface streets.
No speed limit in Nevada outside of towns
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Post by: roadman on August 22, 2013, 04:10:27 PM
Post by: roadman on August 22, 2013, 04:10:27 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2013, 06:53:00 PMalso, in the early 90s, they got rid of two huge oil storage tanks - one of which said Bostongas and one of which was painted with rainbow stripes - from just beside the south end of the Artery.One of those tanks is still there. Traffic reporters used to refer to that spot as the gas tanks; now they just say the gas tank.[/quote]
IIRC, they demolished the tank with the stripes and then had the other tank repainted with identical stripes.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on August 22, 2013, 04:20:33 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 22, 2013, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: kkt on August 22, 2013, 04:06:49 PM
US-101 south of San Jose as blood alley, 4 lane undivided with many stoplights and left turns for fruitstands
dang, and here I thought the section through Prunedale or so was bad now. it still has some remarkably narrow lanes... I'd estimate 10 feet at most in places.
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Post by: PHLBOS on August 22, 2013, 04:25:52 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on August 22, 2013, 04:25:52 PM
Quote from: roadman on August 22, 2013, 04:05:33 PMI've seen (photos & in person) & remember the original early 70s BGS' panels w/I-95 shields as well as the older BGS at the southbound Charlestown exit ramp; the latter remained until the mid-to-late 80s.
@PHLBOS - Regarding the I-95 route assemblies along the elevated Central Artery, I have an official MassDPW photo of one. I also have an official photo of one of the original BGS panels on the Somerville section of I-93 that has an I-95 shield. You've now given me a project to dig through my archives and find them (then figure out a way to post them to the group).
The ones along the Artery (with directional cardinals) are the ones I'm interested in seeing. I only remember one or two MDC-spec'd TO SOUTH 95 composite signs along the approach ramps from Storrow Drive and maybe one along the southbound Artery near or at the Haymarket Square exit.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 22, 2013, 04:32:20 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 22, 2013, 04:32:20 PM
New York City I remember the old West Side Elevated that was in the median of West Street/ 11 and 12 Avenues before it was torn down and it became an expressway for those streets as it is now.
Nearby Newark, NJ had many streets made of cobblestone including the South Street Railroad Bridge that was only modernized in the mid 90's to have a standard concrete deck.
Incidentally, the old West Side Elevated was indeed cobblestone as well. Never rode it except for a small piece above 57th Street and it rattled your entire body as the ride was not that smooth, so I wonder how someone could drive the full length of it with that experience on you and your car.
Nearby Newark, NJ had many streets made of cobblestone including the South Street Railroad Bridge that was only modernized in the mid 90's to have a standard concrete deck.
Incidentally, the old West Side Elevated was indeed cobblestone as well. Never rode it except for a small piece above 57th Street and it rattled your entire body as the ride was not that smooth, so I wonder how someone could drive the full length of it with that experience on you and your car.
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Post by: NE2 on August 22, 2013, 05:06:06 PM
Post by: NE2 on August 22, 2013, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: roadman on August 22, 2013, 04:05:33 PMThis one? http://www.flickr.com/photos/41203461@N00/8528411015/
I also have an official photo of one of the original BGS panels on the Somerville section of I-93 that has an I-95 shield.
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Post by: Mr_Northside on August 22, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
Post by: Mr_Northside on August 22, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
Quote from: Brandon on August 22, 2013, 09:25:11 AM
BP bought SOHIO back in the late 1960s. They changed the brand in the late 1980s/early 1990s. The Ohio Turnpike service plazas used to be all SOHIO stations at one time.
Damn. I almost forgot about that. It was one of the noticable things when visiting my aunt/uncle in Akron. Here in PA we had Boron stations, which turned into Sohio when in Ohio.
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With an upcoming trip to Ocean City MD, I'll note I feel real old when I think about the early trips (that my memory isn't perfect on since I was pretty young):
Using MD-2 thru Glen Burnie since there was no I-97 (and it looked shorter on MD-3)
Traffic signals on US-50 on both sides of the Bay Bridge (where it's now freeway)
Traffic backups due to the old drawbridge on the other side of Kent Island
Driving across the 2 lane bridge over the Choptank (north of Cambridge), which is now fishing piers.
Being stuck in a backup due to the 2-lane drawbridge over the Nanticoke @ Vienna.
There is still plenty that can be improved for a more efficient trip across Delmarva, but it really used to be a lot worse.
It hasn't been as long, but I also remembered all the signs MD had promoting the Sideling Hill visitors center when it opened heading west on I-70. I seem to recall that it was mostly a logo, and were spaced at 10 mile increments from, like, 50 miles out (at least), and my family and I had no idea what they were for until a more informative sign closer to I-68. (We were gonna use I-68 anyway, so we checked it out.)
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Post by: PHLBOS on August 23, 2013, 08:37:05 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on August 23, 2013, 08:37:05 AM
A couple other Bay State entries:
-When Bell Circle in Revere was just a circle with no 4-lane cut-through.
-LGS' for 1A North (at the Wonderland Circle/rotary) actually listed MARBLEHEAD as a destination.
Example (note: the 10 mileage is a guess + or - 1)
-----1A---->
LYNN 5
MARBLEHEAD 10
Those LGS' were gone by the mid-70s.
Two for Philadelphia:
-The old circle that served the terminal buildings (current Terminals B & C)
-Referring to Northeast Philadelphia Airport as North Philadelphia Airport (its original name); my boss does this all the time.
Across the river into Camden/Pennsauken, NJ:
-The Camden County Airport (not sure of the actual name) that existed near/at the Airport Circle (US 30/130/NJ 38/70) interchange.
-When Bell Circle in Revere was just a circle with no 4-lane cut-through.
-LGS' for 1A North (at the Wonderland Circle/rotary) actually listed MARBLEHEAD as a destination.
Example (note: the 10 mileage is a guess + or - 1)
-----1A---->
LYNN 5
MARBLEHEAD 10
Those LGS' were gone by the mid-70s.
Two for Philadelphia:
-The old circle that served the terminal buildings (current Terminals B & C)
-Referring to Northeast Philadelphia Airport as North Philadelphia Airport (its original name); my boss does this all the time.
Across the river into Camden/Pennsauken, NJ:
-The Camden County Airport (not sure of the actual name) that existed near/at the Airport Circle (US 30/130/NJ 38/70) interchange.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 23, 2013, 09:04:17 AM
Post by: roadman65 on August 23, 2013, 09:04:17 AM
Maryland
I too remember US 50/ 301 when there were stoplights on both sides of the Bay Bridge and was arterial. Yes, I got stuck in the Drawbridge crowd plenty of times! Also, you cannot forget the US 301 & MD 213 traffic signal either.
Florida
When Cocoa Beach, FL had overhead gantries at the FL A1A/ FL 520 intersection.
There was a toll plaza just east of FL 520 on TOLL FL 528. I saw its removal and the toll was increased at the FL 417 mainline toll plaza which consolidated the two plazas into one that now has been split again with the new Dallas Boulevard Mainline Plaza being built.
I remember when the Orange County Sheriff's Office Community Center near Sea World was a tourist attraction called Stars Hall of Fame.
I remember seeing the original Sunshine Skyway structures even though one of them was destroyed at the time due to the Summit Lauren disaster that killed 45 people driving SB across the Bay at that location.
New Jersey
When many intersections had side mounted signals.
When Mercury Vapor street lights were the norm.
When Left Turn Signals were in the same assembly as the through movement's heads.
(The red light never went out as it had to stop all, left, or right and straight, it never had all three turns at the same moment)
When US 22's viaduct in Newark was one four lane undivided structure along with a traffic circle at its eastern terminus with US 1 & 9.
When there was no cut through at the Bayway Circle on US 1 & 9 in Elizabeth.
When NJ 27 was a two way Cherry Street and no pair with Chilton Street for its present
day Southbound)
I too remember US 50/ 301 when there were stoplights on both sides of the Bay Bridge and was arterial. Yes, I got stuck in the Drawbridge crowd plenty of times! Also, you cannot forget the US 301 & MD 213 traffic signal either.
Florida
When Cocoa Beach, FL had overhead gantries at the FL A1A/ FL 520 intersection.
There was a toll plaza just east of FL 520 on TOLL FL 528. I saw its removal and the toll was increased at the FL 417 mainline toll plaza which consolidated the two plazas into one that now has been split again with the new Dallas Boulevard Mainline Plaza being built.
I remember when the Orange County Sheriff's Office Community Center near Sea World was a tourist attraction called Stars Hall of Fame.
I remember seeing the original Sunshine Skyway structures even though one of them was destroyed at the time due to the Summit Lauren disaster that killed 45 people driving SB across the Bay at that location.
New Jersey
When many intersections had side mounted signals.
When Mercury Vapor street lights were the norm.
When Left Turn Signals were in the same assembly as the through movement's heads.
(The red light never went out as it had to stop all, left, or right and straight, it never had all three turns at the same moment)
When US 22's viaduct in Newark was one four lane undivided structure along with a traffic circle at its eastern terminus with US 1 & 9.
When there was no cut through at the Bayway Circle on US 1 & 9 in Elizabeth.
When NJ 27 was a two way Cherry Street and no pair with Chilton Street for its present
day Southbound)
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Post by: agentsteel53 on August 23, 2013, 09:18:53 AM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 23, 2013, 09:18:53 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 23, 2013, 08:37:05 AM
-LGS' for 1A North (at the Wonderland Circle/rotary) actually listed MARBLEHEAD as a destination.
Example (note: the 10 mileage is a guess + or - 1)
-----1A---->
LYNN 5
MARBLEHEAD 10
I'd imagine Salem be the more logical choice here, as it is on 1A. I'm not sure why they would list Marblehead, as it is basically a peninsula that through traffic is not using... what is the rationale for it? was it a big tourist destination in the 60s?
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Post by: PHLBOS on August 23, 2013, 10:58:15 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on August 23, 2013, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 23, 2013, 09:18:53 AMMarblehead's always been a tourist destination of sorts. It's also a big sailing town. The only likely reason why such Marblehead was placed on those old (60s-era green paddles w/cut corners) LGS' may have been due to the sizable development of the Clifton section that took place shortly after railroad service was dropped in 1957. Either that or somebody at the DPW made an error. These LGS' were the only ones that listed Marblehead as a 1A destination. The old 60s-era LGS for 1A North at Bell Circle (gone since the '77 reconstruction) listed Swampscott (underneath Lynn) as a destination; which is indeed more correct/accurate than the current Lynn/Salem listings on LGS' north of the circle since MA 1A indeed goes through Swampscott.Quote from: PHLBOS on August 23, 2013, 08:37:05 AM
-LGS' for 1A North (at the Wonderland Circle/rotary) actually listed MARBLEHEAD as a destination.
Example (note: the 10 mileage is a guess + or - 1)
-----1A---->
LYNN 5
MARBLEHEAD 10
I'd imagine Salem be the more logical choice here, as it is on 1A. I'm not sure why they would list Marblehead, as it is basically a peninsula that through traffic is not using... what is the rationale for it? was it a big tourist destination in the 60s?
It's worth noting that there was a MDC-spec'd ground-mounted BGS that listed both Swampscott & Marblehead as a destination for MA 16 East (originally MA 1A North) at the intersection of the Revere Beach Parkway & MA 145 (Winthrop Ave.), southwest of Bell Circle. The BGS featured no route number listings and faced the MA 145 traffic and remained there into the 90s.
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Post by: deathtopumpkins on August 23, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
Post by: deathtopumpkins on August 23, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
I've noticed that all along the north shore the destinations listed with 1A (and indeed many other routes) vary wildly from sign to sign, so I don't think of that as being erroneous in any way.
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Post by: lepidopteran on August 23, 2013, 04:23:48 PM
Post by: lepidopteran on August 23, 2013, 04:23:48 PM
Florida
-- Continuous skip lines, where a black line completely connected the two white lines it was between (or black/yellow on a 2-lane road in a passing zone) Now there seems to be a gap between each black-white pair of lines.
-- Driving through central Florida, and getting bombarded by advertising from: Cypress Gardens, Sunken Gardens, Jungleland Zoo, Stars Hall of Fame, Homosassa Springs, Planet Ocean, Ocean World, Circus World, Mystery Fun House, Six Gun Territory, and other tourist attractions that just vanished over the years, or more likely couldn't stack up against the Orlando triumvirate of: the mouse, the globe, and the orca (Shamu).
http://www.lostparks.com/thelist.html (http://www.lostparks.com/thelist.html) has a more complete list.
Please note that old standbys like Weeki Wachee, Citrus Tower, and Silver Springs are still around!
-- Certain parts of extant tourist attractions, such as the "world's longest escalator" at Busch Gardens, River Country at WDW, "If You Had Wings" sponsored by Eastern Airlines at the Magic Kingdom, etc.
-- When Silver Springs was advertised as "six miles east of Ocala" (it's now only one mile, as the city grew eastward)
-- You don't think of animal-land theme parks like Busch Gardens and Sea World as having roller coasters. (There are 12 coasters between them!)
-- You boast that you went to "both Disney World and EPCOT Center". This is because, until the latter opened in 1982, the title "Disney World" pretty much meant the theme park with the castle, i.e., the Magic Kingdom, a term that seemed to only really be used back then by thepark employees Cast Members. And the word "Center" was removed from EPCOT a while back.
-- Many more acres of orange trees starting north of Orlando (from before they were wiped out by a series of frosts in the 1980s)
-- Cape Canaveral was called Cape Kennedy – the whole cape, including its residential areas; not to be confused with the spacecraft launch facility known as Kennedy Space Center.
-- After reaching the north end of the FL Turnpike, you expect to see "four balls bouncing against each other" . This was a business sign which consisted of two double-ended "lollipops" mounted by their centers on a common axis, and constantly rotating in opposite directions. Hard to describe, the visual effect is two balls simultaneously colliding at the top and bottom of a circle, then switching places. IIRC, this sign was at the Wildwood exit of I-75 on the NB side. (this last one may be a bit more obscure)
-- Continuous skip lines, where a black line completely connected the two white lines it was between (or black/yellow on a 2-lane road in a passing zone) Now there seems to be a gap between each black-white pair of lines.
-- Driving through central Florida, and getting bombarded by advertising from: Cypress Gardens, Sunken Gardens, Jungleland Zoo, Stars Hall of Fame, Homosassa Springs, Planet Ocean, Ocean World, Circus World, Mystery Fun House, Six Gun Territory, and other tourist attractions that just vanished over the years, or more likely couldn't stack up against the Orlando triumvirate of: the mouse, the globe, and the orca (Shamu).
http://www.lostparks.com/thelist.html (http://www.lostparks.com/thelist.html) has a more complete list.
Please note that old standbys like Weeki Wachee, Citrus Tower, and Silver Springs are still around!
-- Certain parts of extant tourist attractions, such as the "world's longest escalator" at Busch Gardens, River Country at WDW, "If You Had Wings" sponsored by Eastern Airlines at the Magic Kingdom, etc.
-- When Silver Springs was advertised as "six miles east of Ocala" (it's now only one mile, as the city grew eastward)
-- You don't think of animal-land theme parks like Busch Gardens and Sea World as having roller coasters. (There are 12 coasters between them!)
-- You boast that you went to "both Disney World and EPCOT Center". This is because, until the latter opened in 1982, the title "Disney World" pretty much meant the theme park with the castle, i.e., the Magic Kingdom, a term that seemed to only really be used back then by the
-- Many more acres of orange trees starting north of Orlando (from before they were wiped out by a series of frosts in the 1980s)
-- Cape Canaveral was called Cape Kennedy – the whole cape, including its residential areas; not to be confused with the spacecraft launch facility known as Kennedy Space Center.
-- After reaching the north end of the FL Turnpike, you expect to see "four balls bouncing against each other" . This was a business sign which consisted of two double-ended "lollipops" mounted by their centers on a common axis, and constantly rotating in opposite directions. Hard to describe, the visual effect is two balls simultaneously colliding at the top and bottom of a circle, then switching places. IIRC, this sign was at the Wildwood exit of I-75 on the NB side. (this last one may be a bit more obscure)
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Post by: kkt on August 23, 2013, 05:28:54 PM
Post by: kkt on August 23, 2013, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on August 23, 2013, 04:23:48 PM
Florida
-- Cape Canaveral was called Cape Kennedy – the whole cape, including its residential areas; not to be confused with the spacecraft launch facility known as Kennedy Space Center.
And if you're really old, you remember before the Cape was called Cape Kennedy.
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Post by: 1995hoo on August 23, 2013, 05:39:09 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 23, 2013, 05:39:09 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on August 23, 2013, 04:23:48 PM
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-- You boast that you went to "both Disney World and EPCOT Center". This is because, until the latter opened in 1982, the title "Disney World" pretty much meant the theme park with the castle, i.e., the Magic Kingdom, a term that seemed to only really be used back then by thepark employeesCast Members. And the word "Center" was removed from EPCOT a while back.
....
Indeed Disney now writes it as "Epcot" because they've dropped the acronym's original meaning (sensibly, I suppose, given what it became).
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Post by: NE2 on August 23, 2013, 05:51:26 PM
Post by: NE2 on August 23, 2013, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 23, 2013, 05:39:09 PMYet the road is still known as Epcot Center Drive (and the main road to the Magic Kingdom is World Drive). The only signs are street sign blades at one of the onramps: https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.376383,-81.537684&spn=0.007297,0.014173&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=28.376511,-81.537558&panoid=zgkSBLFC9lcMwSiXXwV2wg&cbp=12,351.54,,0,-5.85
Indeed Disney now writes it as "Epcot" because they've dropped the acronym's original meaning (sensibly, I suppose, given what it became).
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Post by: OracleUsr on August 23, 2013, 06:07:28 PM
Post by: OracleUsr on August 23, 2013, 06:07:28 PM
Epcot and MGM Studios were my two favorite Orlando parks. Loved the biosphere ride at the EC and the Star Wars ride at MGM
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Post by: theline on August 23, 2013, 08:04:57 PM
Post by: theline on August 23, 2013, 08:04:57 PM
Quote from: kkt on August 23, 2013, 05:28:54 PMQuote from: lepidopteran on August 23, 2013, 04:23:48 PM
Florida
-- Cape Canaveral was called Cape Kennedy – the whole cape, including its residential areas; not to be confused with the spacecraft launch facility known as Kennedy Space Center.
And if you're really old, you remember before the Cape was called Cape Kennedy.
Thanks kkt for the bolding on "really." That made me feel extra old. Yes, I can remember Cape Canaveral before it was Cape Kennedy. I recall Alan Shepard's first sub-orbital flight from the cape, watching it huddled around a tiny TV with the other 4th graders. TVs were hardly classroom staples then, but our teacher brought in her portable model.
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Post by: allniter89 on August 24, 2013, 12:21:27 AM
Post by: allniter89 on August 24, 2013, 12:21:27 AM
In Philadelphia I 95 ended south of the International airport and you drove PA 291, a surface street to the airport. I dont remember where I 95 began again north of there, north of center city?
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Post by: Alps on August 24, 2013, 01:04:40 AM
Post by: Alps on August 24, 2013, 01:04:40 AM
Quote from: theline on August 23, 2013, 08:04:57 PMWait, what? It was Cape Canaveral to me when I was growing up in the 80s.Quote from: kkt on August 23, 2013, 05:28:54 PMQuote from: lepidopteran on August 23, 2013, 04:23:48 PM
Florida
-- Cape Canaveral was called Cape Kennedy – the whole cape, including its residential areas; not to be confused with the spacecraft launch facility known as Kennedy Space Center.
And if you're really old, you remember before the Cape was called Cape Kennedy.
Thanks kkt for the bolding on "really." That made me feel extra old. Yes, I can remember Cape Canaveral before it was Cape Kennedy. I recall Alan Shepard's first sub-orbital flight from the cape, watching it huddled around a tiny TV with the other 4th graders. TVs were hardly classroom staples then, but our teacher brought in her portable model.
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Post by: kkt on August 24, 2013, 01:44:28 AM
Post by: kkt on August 24, 2013, 01:44:28 AM
Quote from: Steve on August 24, 2013, 01:04:40 AMQuote from: theline on August 23, 2013, 08:04:57 PMWait, what? It was Cape Canaveral to me when I was growing up in the 80s.Quote from: kkt on August 23, 2013, 05:28:54 PMQuote from: lepidopteran on August 23, 2013, 04:23:48 PM
Florida
-- Cape Canaveral was called Cape Kennedy – the whole cape, including its residential areas; not to be confused with the spacecraft launch facility known as Kennedy Space Center.
And if you're really old, you remember before the Cape was called Cape Kennedy.
Thanks kkt for the bolding on "really." That made me feel extra old. Yes, I can remember Cape Canaveral before it was Cape Kennedy. I recall Alan Shepard's first sub-orbital flight from the cape, watching it huddled around a tiny TV with the other 4th graders. TVs were hardly classroom staples then, but our teacher brought in her portable model.
It had changed back by then. Wiki Cape Canaveral.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on August 24, 2013, 09:05:28 AM
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 24, 2013, 09:05:28 AM
Quote from: allniter89 on August 24, 2013, 12:21:27 AM
In Philadelphia I 95 ended south of the International airport and you drove PA 291, a surface street to the airport. I dont remember where I 95 began again north of there, north of center city?
I remember that in about 1977 - there was a huge cleared area where the interchange for I-95 and I-476 would later be built.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 24, 2013, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: roadman65 on August 24, 2013, 10:00:00 AM
Speaking of Philadelphia area, I remember when I-95 north of Chester and the present day interchange with I-476 ended at US 13! It had an at grade intersection and when I-95 got completed north of there not only did the intersection vanish, but the connection between the two routes.
In New Jersey, the same happened when I-295 ended at grade with a local street just south of NJ 33. When I-295 was later completed to the current Exit 60, the intersection removed and replaced with an overpass, but no interchange there.
Steve, you might want to ask around or check, but when the first section of I-80 opened west of Denville, NJ, I do distinctly remembering the freeways end just east of its crossing of NJ 53. Yet today there are no ramps leading between I-80 EB and US 46, nor any WB US 46 to I-80 WB there today! I was wondering what happened there, and why NJDOT would eliminate an interchange that would have maybe prove useful? The only thing I could think of was that they added the current interchange with US 46 west of Denville (where the two routes properly cross) for a better connection.
Away from roads, I also remember when the computer keypad allowed a period and a comma to be made using the shift keys. Now those arrows are introduced with the left one opposite the comma, and the right one against the period. Also, take a look at the Dick Van Dyke reruns and see how a typewriter was used then to make documents as the computer was only a theory for personal use at the time of original broadcast. That show aired from 60 to 66 incidentally.
In New Jersey, the same happened when I-295 ended at grade with a local street just south of NJ 33. When I-295 was later completed to the current Exit 60, the intersection removed and replaced with an overpass, but no interchange there.
Steve, you might want to ask around or check, but when the first section of I-80 opened west of Denville, NJ, I do distinctly remembering the freeways end just east of its crossing of NJ 53. Yet today there are no ramps leading between I-80 EB and US 46, nor any WB US 46 to I-80 WB there today! I was wondering what happened there, and why NJDOT would eliminate an interchange that would have maybe prove useful? The only thing I could think of was that they added the current interchange with US 46 west of Denville (where the two routes properly cross) for a better connection.
Away from roads, I also remember when the computer keypad allowed a period and a comma to be made using the shift keys. Now those arrows are introduced with the left one opposite the comma, and the right one against the period. Also, take a look at the Dick Van Dyke reruns and see how a typewriter was used then to make documents as the computer was only a theory for personal use at the time of original broadcast. That show aired from 60 to 66 incidentally.
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Post by: bugo on August 24, 2013, 12:04:16 PM
Post by: bugo on August 24, 2013, 12:04:16 PM
I remember when I-49 was incomplete and US 62-71 exited off the freeway at AR 264 and headed east on AR 264. At this time, what is now signed as US 71B was signed AR 471 and 62/71/471 were co-signed to about the point where the current I-49 freeway crosses US 71B between Bentonville and Rogers. 471 just disappeared at this point.
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Post by: elsmere241 on August 24, 2013, 08:47:17 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on August 24, 2013, 08:47:17 PM
Quote from: allniter89 on August 24, 2013, 12:21:27 AM
In Philadelphia I 95 ended south of the International airport and you drove PA 291, a surface street to the airport. I dont remember where I 95 began again north of there, north of center city?
By 1983 right around Enterprise Avenue. Going south on I-95 you'd approach the half-completed (as in ending mid-air) Girard Point Bridge and then be diverted off to a temporary road that took you to what was then PA 291.
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Post by: bugo on August 24, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
Post by: bugo on August 24, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 20, 2013, 09:11:32 AM
...When all Grocery Stores and Supermarkets would be closed by 9PM every day, and you were lucky if it was open on Sundays (ah, the old "blue laws").
North Dakota still has the illegal and unconstitutional (1st amendment) blue laws. Even Walmart has to close on Sunday. Gas stations are allowed to stay open, however.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 24, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 24, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
Bergen County, NJ still has them for retail shopping! I believe its the only county in New Jersey that still has it as many other counties lifted it back in the 1980s.
My dad says that Two Guys (the precursor to Wal Mart as they had the idea that Wal Mart has, but could not make a go of it) started it as they would open on Sundays and rope off certain departments. That opened up people's eyes and began the crusade, however I will not understand Bergen County, NJ and its reasoning being that it has Paramus, which has more retail stores per square acre than any other community!
I remember when businesses used to close on Christmas Eve in resort communities and operated with a skeleton staff on Christmas Day! Now if you go in many places more businesses than before open on Christmas Day! It is a shame as it was the one holiday everyone agreed on at one time even if you were not Christian.
My dad says that Two Guys (the precursor to Wal Mart as they had the idea that Wal Mart has, but could not make a go of it) started it as they would open on Sundays and rope off certain departments. That opened up people's eyes and began the crusade, however I will not understand Bergen County, NJ and its reasoning being that it has Paramus, which has more retail stores per square acre than any other community!
I remember when businesses used to close on Christmas Eve in resort communities and operated with a skeleton staff on Christmas Day! Now if you go in many places more businesses than before open on Christmas Day! It is a shame as it was the one holiday everyone agreed on at one time even if you were not Christian.
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Post by: thenetwork on August 25, 2013, 10:47:59 AM
Post by: thenetwork on August 25, 2013, 10:47:59 AM
Quote from: bugo on August 24, 2013, 10:39:35 PMQuote from: thenetwork on August 20, 2013, 09:11:32 AM
...When all Grocery Stores and Supermarkets would be closed by 9PM every day, and you were lucky if it was open on Sundays (ah, the old "blue laws").
North Dakota still has the illegal and unconstitutional (1st amendment) blue laws. Even Walmart has to close on Sunday. Gas stations are allowed to stay open, however.
I think the most common Blue Law still in existence is retail liquor sales on Sundays, although that is getting chipped away at a good clip -- Colorado began to let liquor stores open on Sundays a few years ago and many impose their own limited hours on Sundays, while other indies remain closed on Sunday. The only liquor restrictions remaining in Colorado is that non-liquor stores who sell beer can only sell 3.2 beer (a.k.a. "near beer"), however a retail chain (Like Walmart) may have only ONE store in the entire state that can sell full-strength liquor.
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Post by: hubcity on August 25, 2013, 10:48:48 AM
Post by: hubcity on August 25, 2013, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 24, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
Bergen County, NJ still has them for retail shopping! I believe its the only county in New Jersey that still has it as many other counties lifted it back in the 1980s.
Actually, I think the thinking has come more around to the idea that the town is congested enough six days a week, and they'd like to just have the town back on Sundays. Considering that retail shows no sign of evacuating the area, they like the idea of having their cake and eating it too.
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Post by: bugo on August 25, 2013, 11:11:07 AM
Post by: bugo on August 25, 2013, 11:11:07 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 02:42:49 PM
I have not had a land line since 2003. I wonder what portion of the population is landline-free, and how that's changed in the last ~15 years.
I haven't since about 2003 as well. I don't ever see myself getting a landline again.
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Post by: bugo on August 25, 2013, 11:16:52 AM
Post by: bugo on August 25, 2013, 11:16:52 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 03:14:51 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on August 20, 2013, 02:55:08 PM(Examples of places I do not take a mobile phone include movie theatres or churches.)if I go to a similar event, then I'm just going to ignore my phone. but I still have it.
I turn the ringer off if I'm in a place where it could be disturbing. I haven't been to a church service in 21 years so that's not an issue.
QuoteI don't particularly care for this idea some people have that they're entitled to reach you 24/7 wherever you may be.
If somebody is trying to reach me, I prefer they shoot me a text asking to call them.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 25, 2013, 06:24:35 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 25, 2013, 06:24:35 PM
In New Jersey at the interchange of US 9 and Throckmorton Street/ Ticetown Road when US 9 was two lanes there using the current half diamond SB ramps as the original alignment. The drop below grade under Ticetown Road that is now was dug out and I remember seeing the bridge going up to the east of the then concrete two lane US 9 that had a signal with Throckmorton Street. In addition the strip mall that lies within the NB folded diamond was there before the road widening which is why the ramps go behind it or it would appear to be built within the interchange. The US 9 widening stole part of that shopping center''s front parking lot.
The CR 516 interchange was already in use at the time, as either that was built first before the whole widening business began or before Ticetown Road overpass was built. Old maps show it as being four lanes and divided just through that interchange (shown as Browntown on old maps) but drops down to two lanes on both sided of Browntown.
Another thing I remember was when US 9 and NJ 18 was a y interchange as the freeway south of US 9 was not yet built when US 9 was two lanes from NJ 18 to NJ 34. The bridge carrying the NB US 9 ramp to NJ 18 NB over US 9 SB was the original NJ 18 bridge and if you look closely you will see the design is of 1950-60 era and much different than the current NJ 18 mainline bridges.
As far as NJ 18 goes, I remember it being signed E-W from US 9 to NJ 28 in Middlesex as it was indeed signed along River Road in Piscataway, part of Lincoln Boulevard in Middlesex and another side street to meet NJ 28. It also was co-signed with NJ 27 across the Raritan River and during the first few months of the freeway to the south of US 9, it was signed E-W to the GSP in Tinton Falls until it was turned N-S sometime in the late 70s/ Early 80s to match the original freeway segment from NJ 138 (originally NJ 38) to Park Avenue that was always N-S.
Speaking of NJ 138 I remember it being signed as the eastern segment of NJ 38 before plans to connect the two pieces were scrapped. Along with that I can remember when Exit 98 on the Garden State Parkway had NO Tolls! It was two separate interchanges with the former NJ 38 and NJ 34 with the SB exit to NJ 34 SB being a left interchange.
If you go now you can see evidence of the left turn exit from underneath the Parkway. Look at the SB Parkway over NJ 34 and you will see the bridge is much newer than the NB counterpart and the long c/d roadway next to it. In fact the c/d bridge and the NB Parkway structures are identical as so is the NB Parkway bridge over the c/d lanes turning toward NJ 34. The original SB Parkway used the current c/d roadway and the ramp leading to NJ 34 SB exited where the curve is on the c/d road to cross under the GSP and used the current c/d turned ramp movement and crossed under the NB lanes as it does today!
The CR 516 interchange was already in use at the time, as either that was built first before the whole widening business began or before Ticetown Road overpass was built. Old maps show it as being four lanes and divided just through that interchange (shown as Browntown on old maps) but drops down to two lanes on both sided of Browntown.
Another thing I remember was when US 9 and NJ 18 was a y interchange as the freeway south of US 9 was not yet built when US 9 was two lanes from NJ 18 to NJ 34. The bridge carrying the NB US 9 ramp to NJ 18 NB over US 9 SB was the original NJ 18 bridge and if you look closely you will see the design is of 1950-60 era and much different than the current NJ 18 mainline bridges.
As far as NJ 18 goes, I remember it being signed E-W from US 9 to NJ 28 in Middlesex as it was indeed signed along River Road in Piscataway, part of Lincoln Boulevard in Middlesex and another side street to meet NJ 28. It also was co-signed with NJ 27 across the Raritan River and during the first few months of the freeway to the south of US 9, it was signed E-W to the GSP in Tinton Falls until it was turned N-S sometime in the late 70s/ Early 80s to match the original freeway segment from NJ 138 (originally NJ 38) to Park Avenue that was always N-S.
Speaking of NJ 138 I remember it being signed as the eastern segment of NJ 38 before plans to connect the two pieces were scrapped. Along with that I can remember when Exit 98 on the Garden State Parkway had NO Tolls! It was two separate interchanges with the former NJ 38 and NJ 34 with the SB exit to NJ 34 SB being a left interchange.
If you go now you can see evidence of the left turn exit from underneath the Parkway. Look at the SB Parkway over NJ 34 and you will see the bridge is much newer than the NB counterpart and the long c/d roadway next to it. In fact the c/d bridge and the NB Parkway structures are identical as so is the NB Parkway bridge over the c/d lanes turning toward NJ 34. The original SB Parkway used the current c/d roadway and the ramp leading to NJ 34 SB exited where the curve is on the c/d road to cross under the GSP and used the current c/d turned ramp movement and crossed under the NB lanes as it does today!
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Post by: D-Dey65 on August 26, 2013, 12:38:56 AM
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 26, 2013, 12:38:56 AM
Quote from: OracleUsr on August 22, 2013, 12:36:18 AM
Speaking of gas stations...remember when their corner signs used to rotate?
Oh, yeah.
I also remember reading a map where SOHIO had an affiliate named BORON.
I'm obviously too old as well, because I remember big RED signs reading "All Traffic Exit XX Mile(s)."
Not to mention a single huge pole in the center of the fork in the road of NY 111 and Suffolk CR 17 holding up two BGS for both roads, with button copy lettering and the shield moved from one sign to the other. You could still see the outline of where the shield used to be on thee one for what is now CR 17.
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Post by: PHLBOS on August 26, 2013, 08:37:55 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on August 26, 2013, 08:37:55 AM
Quote from: elsmere241 on August 24, 2013, 08:47:17 PMPrior to the 1985 opening of the missing link of I-95 at the airport; from Center City, I-95 south traffic was forced onto Enterpirse Ave. as previously mentioned.Quote from: allniter89 on August 24, 2013, 12:21:27 AMBy 1983 right around Enterprise Avenue. Going south on I-95 you'd approach the half-completed (as in ending mid-air) Girard Point Bridge and then be diverted off to a temporary road that took you to what was then PA 291.
In Philadelphia I 95 ended south of the International airport and you drove PA 291, a surface street to the airport. I dont remember where I 95 began again north of there, north of center city?
From there, one would follow Enterprise Ave. to Island Ave. (until recently, there was a jughandle intersection of sorts). Traffic would turn right (north) onto Island Ave. and follow to PA 291. From there, one would follow PA 291 West beyond Scott (now International) Plaza and there would be a ramp that would connect to I-95 south about a mile before PA 420 (Exit 9A-B).
Note: the northbound Exit 10 ramp was where I-95 north stopped before the 1985 airport link was completed.
I-95 through Center City (minus most of its interchange ramps) was opened in Sept. 1979. Prior to that time, it stopped at either the Girard Ave. (Exit 23) or the Callowhill St. interchange (Exit 22). Through-traffic navigated along Delaware Ave. (now Columbus Blvd.) to pick up the southern piece of I-95 south of the Walt Whitman.
Back to Boston again - You are too old if you remember.......
The Sumner Tunnel being a two-way tunnel paved w/cobblestones (my mother told me that one)
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Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on August 26, 2013, 09:32:53 AM
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on August 26, 2013, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
apart from all the signs made to older standards, including the occasional cutout US route marker, the thing I remember the most that isn't around anymore is Boston's Central Ahtery: I-93.
Fixed it for you. It was a CF, but I miss it. Going under Boston just ain't the same.
I remember when NH 101 was a 2-lane from Raymond all the way to the seacoast. And it was 27 from Epping on, and 101 continued up what is now 33. And the existence of 101B, 101C, 101D, 101E, etc. Actually, 101D still exists, but none of the other suffixed 101s do, they have all been renumbered or just decommissioned. Only 101A and 101D remain in the state.
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Post by: deathtopumpkins on August 26, 2013, 10:03:03 AM
Post by: deathtopumpkins on August 26, 2013, 10:03:03 AM
NH 101E still exists, not 101D.
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Post by: roadman65 on August 26, 2013, 10:16:11 AM
Post by: roadman65 on August 26, 2013, 10:16:11 AM
Pennsylvania
I remember when Eastbound I-78 & US 22 near Kunhsville had an exit ramp that led to a local street there. It was removed (as well as a WB ramp) when the current I-78 was completed east of the split in the two routes. Now, of course, you must exit at PA 100 and head north to Old US 22. The original WB ramp, I think, was signed for "Chapman" but I cannot be sure.
I remember when US 322 through the Capital region followed I-83 the other way from the Eisenhower Interchange instead of north like it presently does, and then used Front Street northward before the US 22/ US 322 freeway was built. US 22 on Herr Street was Bypass US 22 and US 22 had another alignment through Harrisburg to meet US 322 along Front Street and its bypass continued west of Cameron Street along another street to meet its parent.
I remember when Eastbound I-78 & US 22 near Kunhsville had an exit ramp that led to a local street there. It was removed (as well as a WB ramp) when the current I-78 was completed east of the split in the two routes. Now, of course, you must exit at PA 100 and head north to Old US 22. The original WB ramp, I think, was signed for "Chapman" but I cannot be sure.
I remember when US 322 through the Capital region followed I-83 the other way from the Eisenhower Interchange instead of north like it presently does, and then used Front Street northward before the US 22/ US 322 freeway was built. US 22 on Herr Street was Bypass US 22 and US 22 had another alignment through Harrisburg to meet US 322 along Front Street and its bypass continued west of Cameron Street along another street to meet its parent.
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Post by: PHLBOS on August 26, 2013, 11:42:04 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on August 26, 2013, 11:42:04 AM
Speaking of US 322, I'm surprised that nobody chimed in on the Chester/Bridgeport Ferry that existed before the Commodore Barry Bridge opened in 1974.
Another Boston one: The ferry that existed prior to the Mystic/Tobin Bridge.
Another Boston one: The ferry that existed prior to the Mystic/Tobin Bridge.
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Post by: NE2 on August 26, 2013, 03:03:14 PM
Post by: NE2 on August 26, 2013, 03:03:14 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 26, 2013, 11:42:04 AMAren't you dead if you remember that?
Another Boston one: The ferry that existed prior to the Mystic/Tobin Bridge.
http://www.olgp.net/chs/bridge/bridges.htm
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Post by: agentsteel53 on August 26, 2013, 03:09:22 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 26, 2013, 03:09:22 PM
whoa. the Mystic is the Tobin. here I always thought they were separate entities, the Tobin replacing the Mystic.
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Post by: PHLBOS on August 26, 2013, 04:21:36 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on August 26, 2013, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 26, 2013, 03:03:14 PM...Asks the man whose profile lists his age as -100. :sombrero:Quote from: PHLBOS on August 26, 2013, 11:42:04 AMAren't you dead if you remember that?
Another Boston one: The ferry that existed prior to the Mystic/Tobin Bridge.
http://www.olgp.net/chs/bridge/bridges.htm
This ferry was likely the one that my mother was referring to, the one linking East Boston to Boston which ran until 1952:
http://www.eastboston.com/Archives/History/ferrybos.html (http://www.eastboston.com/Archives/History/ferrybos.html)
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Post by: KEK Inc. on August 26, 2013, 05:51:52 PM
Post by: KEK Inc. on August 26, 2013, 05:51:52 PM
Quote from: kkt on August 22, 2013, 04:06:49 PMThe original blood alley is still there, but obviously less travelled. (Monterey Rd.) In 1982, they finally filled the gap on 101 between Bernal and Cochrane and then widened the stretch in 2002.
US-101 south of San Jose as blood alley, 4 lane undivided with many stoplights and left turns for fruitstands
Quote from: kkt on August 22, 2013, 04:06:49 PMEver seen 'Harold and Maude'? There's a famous scene on that stretch of road. It's also an old movie in color and shows how lane stripings were done pre-1978.
The original Dumbarton Bridge - 2 narrow lanes, drawbridge, truss which limited tall or wide vehicles.
Quote from: kkt on August 22, 2013, 04:06:49 PMWhen did they complete that? It's a mess today.
In Seattle, no connection from I-90 to I-5. And now that we've got it, it's consistently so backed up you're better off on surface streets.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on August 26, 2013, 06:01:58 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 26, 2013, 06:01:58 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 25, 2013, 10:47:59 AMhowever a retail chain (Like Walmart) may have only ONE store in the entire state that can sell full-strength liquor.
I have also heard that there are at most five recognized "retail chains" at any time in Colorado... though that may be Washington.
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Post by: lepidopteran on August 26, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
Post by: lepidopteran on August 26, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
-- When Amoco stations had "American" in the torch-oval logo. The font was different and 3D lines were visible on the torch. Some even older signs, pre-torch-loco, had both names.
-- When Mobil was called "Socony-Vacuum", or had what was almost an inverted-pentagon shaped sign with the pegasus in the middle, or had signs that read Mobilgas or Mobiloil, all one word. A little younger and you remember when Mobil had unique cylindrical gas pumps.
-- The two tall BORON signs that greeted you as you crossed the Brent Spence Bridge (I-71/I-75) from Ohio into Kentucky. These signs had a certain "Toto, you're not inKansas Ohio anymore" way about them.
Boron, which was the premium grade of Sohio fuel and supposedly contained said chemical element, was the name used for Sohio stations located outside the state of Ohio. This was because Sohio only had the right to use the Standard Oil trademark in Ohio, unlike the other "baby Standards" that each had the rights to multiple states. Boron stations were likely only located in neighboring states, and even then mostly a short distance from Ohio since that's where the fuel terminals were. I did hear of a station further away in WV, and also in Breezewood, PA -- where not only did the sign rotate, but I have a distant memory that it spun almost "comically" fast! (that may have been in Pittsburgh, in Squirrel Hill at the corner of Murray and Forward Ave., now a Giant Eagle GetGo) The stations were practically carbon copies of typical Sohio stations except for the name.
Of course, the Boron stations, like Sohio, all became BP in 1991. However, I understand that the marine stations -- those that sell gas to boats -- are in fact still called Sohio, complete with the vintage sign! This may be use-it-or-lose-it rules to keep the trademark rights.
-- When Mobil was called "Socony-Vacuum", or had what was almost an inverted-pentagon shaped sign with the pegasus in the middle, or had signs that read Mobilgas or Mobiloil, all one word. A little younger and you remember when Mobil had unique cylindrical gas pumps.
-- The two tall BORON signs that greeted you as you crossed the Brent Spence Bridge (I-71/I-75) from Ohio into Kentucky. These signs had a certain "Toto, you're not in
Boron, which was the premium grade of Sohio fuel and supposedly contained said chemical element, was the name used for Sohio stations located outside the state of Ohio. This was because Sohio only had the right to use the Standard Oil trademark in Ohio, unlike the other "baby Standards" that each had the rights to multiple states. Boron stations were likely only located in neighboring states, and even then mostly a short distance from Ohio since that's where the fuel terminals were. I did hear of a station further away in WV, and also in Breezewood, PA -- where not only did the sign rotate, but I have a distant memory that it spun almost "comically" fast! (that may have been in Pittsburgh, in Squirrel Hill at the corner of Murray and Forward Ave., now a Giant Eagle GetGo) The stations were practically carbon copies of typical Sohio stations except for the name.
Of course, the Boron stations, like Sohio, all became BP in 1991. However, I understand that the marine stations -- those that sell gas to boats -- are in fact still called Sohio, complete with the vintage sign! This may be use-it-or-lose-it rules to keep the trademark rights.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on August 26, 2013, 08:40:32 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 26, 2013, 08:40:32 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on August 26, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
Boron, which was the premium grade of Sohio fuel and supposedly contained said chemical element, was the name used for Sohio stations located outside the state of Ohio. This was because Sohio only had the right to use the Standard Oil trademark in Ohio, unlike the other "baby Standards" that each had the rights to multiple states. Boron stations were likely only located in neighboring states, and even then mostly a short distance from Ohio since that's where the fuel terminals were. I did hear of a station further away in WV, and also in Breezewood, PA -- where not only did the sign rotate, but I have a distant memory that it spun almost "comically" fast! (that may have been in Pittsburgh, in Squirrel Hill at the corner of Murray and Forward Ave., now a Giant Eagle GetGo) The stations were practically carbon copies of typical Sohio stations except for the name.
There was at least one Boron station in Garrett County, Maryland.
Off of I-68 (U.S. 48 back then), either at Grantsville (Exit 22, U.S. 219 north) or maybe at Keyser's Ridge (Exit 14, U.S. 40 west). Or maybe both. Both "suspects" are BP now.
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Post by: kkt on August 27, 2013, 01:43:50 PM
Post by: kkt on August 27, 2013, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: KEK Inc. on August 26, 2013, 05:51:52 PMQuote from: kkt on August 22, 2013, 04:06:49 PMThe original blood alley is still there, but obviously less travelled. (Monterey Rd.) In 1982, they finally filled the gap on 101 between Bernal and Cochrane and then widened the stretch in 2002.
US-101 south of San Jose as blood alley, 4 lane undivided with many stoplights and left turns for fruitstands
Yeah, the road is still there, but it's not a blood alley anymore since it's only carrying local traffic.
QuoteQuote from: kkt on August 22, 2013, 04:06:49 PMEver seen 'Harold and Maude'? There's a famous scene on that stretch of road. It's also an old movie in color and shows how lane stripings were done pre-1978.
The original Dumbarton Bridge - 2 narrow lanes, drawbridge, truss which limited tall or wide vehicles.
Yeah, there's a lot of great San Francisco area scenes in that movie.
QuoteQuote from: kkt on August 22, 2013, 04:06:49 PMWhen did they complete that? It's a mess today.
In Seattle, no connection from I-90 to I-5. And now that we've got it, it's consistently so backed up you're better off on surface streets.
Wikipedia says 2003. That sounds about right to me, without spending any longer verifying it...
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Post by: roadman on August 27, 2013, 04:40:58 PM
Post by: roadman on August 27, 2013, 04:40:58 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 26, 2013, 03:09:22 PM
whoa. the Mystic is the Tobin. here I always thought they were separate entities, the Tobin replacing the Mystic.
When built in the 1950s, the bridge was named the Mystic River Bridge and was owned and run by the Mystic River Bridge Authority. Sometime in the early 1960s, the bridge authority was taken over by Massport. I recall that Massport renamed the bridge the Maurice J. Tobin Bridge in the mid-1970s. However, for several years after that, it was commonly referred to as the Mystic-Tobin Bridge. In the mid-1980s, Massport made a concerted effort with public officals, traffic reporters, and others to eliminate the Mystic-Tobin designation in favor of just Tobin Bridge.
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Post by: PHLBOS on August 27, 2013, 05:54:32 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on August 27, 2013, 05:54:32 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on August 23, 2013, 04:07:16 PMIn the case of MA 1A signage (north of Boston), most if not all of the current signage list destinations that MA 1A indeed either goes through or slightly touches (Revere Beach listings at Bell Circle, there is a turn-off for Revere Beach from 1A at the Wonderland Circle onto North Shore Road). Towns that the road does not go through at all have been pretty much deleted/removed.
I've noticed that all along the north shore the destinations listed with 1A (and indeed many other routes) vary wildly from sign to sign, so I don't think of that as being erroneous in any way.
In Salem, at the old MA 107 intersection (Bridge & Winter Streets), there used to be an old 60s-era paddle LGS (mounted on a concrete post) facing northbound 107 traffic that read:
/|\ 1A
| BEVERLY
| GLOUCESTER
|
Granted, one can reach Gloucester via 1A north to either 127 or 128; but 1A itself never went anywhere near it.
That LGS was taken down in the late 70s.
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Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 27, 2013, 11:23:22 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 27, 2013, 11:23:22 PM
Few more from CT:
- When CT 4 extended on Farmington Ave into downtown Hartford.
- When US 6 travelled through downtown Danbury and on Newtown Rd.(until they renovated it about 10 years ago, there was a sign painted on the side of the building that said "Exit to US 6").
- CT 72 followed CT 372's route
-Signs on the (now) CT 9 expressway that just said "To 175 Newington" Also a BGS on a now signed CT 372 in Cromwell that said "To I-91 Hartford, New Haven)
- BGS at top of westbound entrance to I-691 at Exit 4 that said "To 10 Cheshire"
- CT 291 signs over the Bissell Bridge.
-When US 202 followed US 6 to Farmington and was paired with CT 10 from Farmington to Westfield, and current US 202 from New Milford to Canton was CT 25.
- I-84 signs on I-384 and on the Willimantic bypass.
- Having to exit on Morgan St to get from I-84 East to I-91 North, a ramp from westbound Founders Bridge to I-91 south, and an I-91 north ramp from southbound Charter Oak Bridge.
- And finally: TOLLS.
- When CT 4 extended on Farmington Ave into downtown Hartford.
- When US 6 travelled through downtown Danbury and on Newtown Rd.(until they renovated it about 10 years ago, there was a sign painted on the side of the building that said "Exit to US 6").
- CT 72 followed CT 372's route
-Signs on the (now) CT 9 expressway that just said "To 175 Newington" Also a BGS on a now signed CT 372 in Cromwell that said "To I-91 Hartford, New Haven)
- BGS at top of westbound entrance to I-691 at Exit 4 that said "To 10 Cheshire"
- CT 291 signs over the Bissell Bridge.
-When US 202 followed US 6 to Farmington and was paired with CT 10 from Farmington to Westfield, and current US 202 from New Milford to Canton was CT 25.
- I-84 signs on I-384 and on the Willimantic bypass.
- Having to exit on Morgan St to get from I-84 East to I-91 North, a ramp from westbound Founders Bridge to I-91 south, and an I-91 north ramp from southbound Charter Oak Bridge.
- And finally: TOLLS.
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Post by: PHLBOS on August 28, 2013, 11:52:07 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on August 28, 2013, 11:52:07 AM
This one may fall in the not too old to remember category, but it is worth mentioning.
In NJ, pre-Exit 60; one heading south along I-295 making a sharp-left bend onto I-195 East... there were no exit ramps/decision points, the road just bended.
Had NJDOT knew that the Feds were going to redesignate I-95/295 around Trenton as an extension of I-195 once the I-95/PA Turnpike interchange is completed (vs. just redesignating the I-95 portion as I-295 or redesignating I-95/295 north & west of Exit 60 as I-x95 (495 or 695 perhaps); maybe the I-195/295/NJ 29 Exit 60 interchange would've been designed differently (a fly-over ramp to I-195 East from I-295 South rather than the current cloverleaf ramp).
In NJ, pre-Exit 60; one heading south along I-295 making a sharp-left bend onto I-195 East... there were no exit ramps/decision points, the road just bended.
Had NJDOT knew that the Feds were going to redesignate I-95/295 around Trenton as an extension of I-195 once the I-95/PA Turnpike interchange is completed (vs. just redesignating the I-95 portion as I-295 or redesignating I-95/295 north & west of Exit 60 as I-x95 (495 or 695 perhaps); maybe the I-195/295/NJ 29 Exit 60 interchange would've been designed differently (a fly-over ramp to I-195 East from I-295 South rather than the current cloverleaf ramp).
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Post by: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM
Post by: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on August 21, 2013, 09:33:20 PMQuote from: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 07:34:55 PMI think there's still a "Trenton 30 Miles" sign still standing.
The NJ Turnpike had mileage signs NB to New York every 10 miles on the tenth mile, and to Trenton, Camden, and the Delaware Memorial Bridge SB every 10 miles on the tenth as well. Some still exist today, but many have been removed.
However, I remember two different sets of "New York XX Miles" signs. The older set was just like the Trenton one, namely, low to the ground and with button copy. But I also remember a more recent set that only vanished maybe twelve years ago. These signs were higher up with larger text, and they used an unfamiliar font. I think they began at 100 miles. Also, though my evidence for this is faint, I suspect that the older set of signs set New York at a point further north, like the GWB, while the newer set had a benchmark further south, like the Holland Tunnel perhaps.
(I remember reading on another board or m.t.r. that the mileage to NYC on I-95 south of the NJTP refers to the GWB)
Having done this trip many times over the years, I a) now realize to my surprise that I haven't done it in over 12 years if that's when the signs came down, and b) remember a certain disappointment upon seeing these that my trip north (which ended not far past the northern end of the Turnpike) was beginning to end. True road enthusiast that I am, I didn't look forward to finally getting there as much as still being on the way.
OTHER INDICATORS OF TOO OLD:
* The construction of all the "current" rest areas on the Connecticut Turnpike, "current" being in quotes because they are being torn down and replaced since 2010.
* "ROAD LEGALLY CLOSED" on CT construction signs, leaving the motorist to guess what the proper course of action or legality of proceeding was.
* The aforementioned-above expansion of old I-86 into current I-84 in the late 70s and early 80s, which involved the grading of a jaw-dropping amount of land to the side of what was then a fairly narrow highway. The East Hartford to Vernon stretch still feels a little agoraphobic to me, having known the earlier incarnation.
* While we're on that area, the sight of new skyscrapers going up in Hartford. Haven't seen that in many, many years. The long-gone landmark G. Fox & Co. sign, too.
* To add to JP's list below, the HARD right ramp from I-91 North to the Founders Bridge toward 84 East in Hartford.
* The Mass Pike eastbound toll at 128 featuring the legend atop, "WELCOME TO NEWTON."
* New York's TBTA bridges and adjacent highways having the harsh yellow flat-blade type lights, with a similar version on the Mass Pike Extension.
* Movies regularly featuring unfinished Interstate construction as a key plot point in a chase scene (the only ones off the top of my head are The Blues Brothers and Corvette Summer, but it was a recurring theme).
* Something I guess were called "flare pots" (but I remember calling "smoke pots") as a regular warning device at construction sites, particularly unattended ones at night. It looked like a little cannonball, as I recall, with a very small flame flickering atop it -- not bright, but lit and able to stay on all night. There may have been another name for these.
I also feel like there were many more flashing yellow lights on construction barricades before recent years, and I can only guess this is because of advances/proliferation of reflective materials. I remember far more often driving past rows of scores of the, something I don't notice as much these days.
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Post by: mgk920 on August 30, 2013, 10:27:30 AM
Post by: mgk920 on August 30, 2013, 10:27:30 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM* Movies regularly featuring unfinished Interstate construction as a key plot point in a chase scene (the only ones off the top of my head are The Blues Brothers and Corvette Summer, but it was a recurring theme).
The unfinished I-105 in the movie Speed.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM* Something I guess were called "flare pots" (but I remember calling "smoke pots") as a regular warning device at construction sites, particularly unattended ones at night. It looked like a little cannonball, as I recall, with a very small flame flickering atop it -- not bright, but lit and able to stay on all night. There may have been another name for these.
I also feel like there were many more flashing yellow lights on construction barricades before recent years, and I can only guess this is because of advances/proliferation of reflective materials. I remember far more often driving past rows of scores of the, something I don't notice as much these days.
I recall those, what I call 'smudgepots', too. You can frequently find them on eBay and someone may still make them.
Yea on the flashing barricade lights, too.
I'll add a couple more:
-Mercury-vapor and incandescent streetlights being S.O.P.
-Those little multi-sided light-balls that were placed on traffic islands in streets.
Mike
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Post by: jeffandnicole on August 30, 2013, 11:00:35 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 30, 2013, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 28, 2013, 11:52:07 AM
This one may fall in the not too old to remember category, but it is worth mentioning.
In NJ, pre-Exit 60; one heading south along I-295 making a sharp-left bend onto I-195 East... there were no exit ramps/decision points, the road just bended.
Had NJDOT knew that the Feds were going to redesignate I-95/295 around Trenton as an extension of I-195 once the I-95/PA Turnpike interchange is completed (vs. just redesignating the I-95 portion as I-295 or redesignating I-95/295 north & west of Exit 60 as I-x95 (495 or 695 perhaps); maybe the I-195/295/NJ 29 Exit 60 interchange would've been designed differently (a fly-over ramp to I-195 East from I-295 South rather than the current cloverleaf ramp).
NJDOT didn't appear to go thru the effort of redesigning the interchange before they finally got around to building it. The original design was created in the 1960's, when the original I-95 routing was proposed to go thru North Jersey. Even knowing things like I-95 was not going to be built, the 295/195/29 interchange was still built as it was designed in the 60's.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on August 30, 2013, 11:28:51 AM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 30, 2013, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM
* Something I guess were called "flare pots" (but I remember calling "smoke pots") as a regular warning device at construction sites, particularly unattended ones at night. It looked like a little cannonball, as I recall, with a very small flame flickering atop it -- not bright, but lit and able to stay on all night. There may have been another name for these.
I've always thought of this item as a Toledo Torch, but I'll bet that's just the product offered by one company.
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Post by: akotchi on August 30, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
Post by: akotchi on August 30, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 28, 2013, 11:52:07 AM
This one may fall in the not too old to remember category, but it is worth mentioning.
In NJ, pre-Exit 60; one heading south along I-295 making a sharp-left bend onto I-195 East... there were no exit ramps/decision points, the road just bended.
Had NJDOT knew that the Feds were going to redesignate I-95/295 around Trenton as an extension of I-195 once the I-95/PA Turnpike interchange is completed (vs. just redesignating the I-95 portion as I-295 or redesignating I-95/295 north & west of Exit 60 as I-x95 (495 or 695 perhaps); maybe the I-195/295/NJ 29 Exit 60 interchange would've been designed differently (a fly-over ramp to I-195 East from I-295 South rather than the current cloverleaf ramp).
Even before that, I-295 ended at Kuser Road and I-195 ended at Arena Drive. The I-295 detour around, via C.R. 533, the White Horse Circle, U.S. 206 and U.S. 130, was pretty awful then. I-295 did not carry much traffic between the gap and U.S. 1 back then.
While in the same area . . . the portion of the Trenton loop between NJ 31 and U.S. 1 was originally officially I-295, but signing said "to I-95 North" or "to I-95 South." There were still ramp stubs and graded areas for the cancelled I-95 segment, and the "mainline" was two lanes between the stubs. The unofficial routing of I-95 (NB, anyway) in the gap was U.S. 1.
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Post by: Alps on September 02, 2013, 11:32:55 AM
Post by: Alps on September 02, 2013, 11:32:55 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 30, 2013, 10:27:30 AMSmudge pots are indeed their name, and I would be very surprised if anyone made them now.Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM* Something I guess were called "flare pots" (but I remember calling "smoke pots") as a regular warning device at construction sites, particularly unattended ones at night. It looked like a little cannonball, as I recall, with a very small flame flickering atop it -- not bright, but lit and able to stay on all night. There may have been another name for these.
I also feel like there were many more flashing yellow lights on construction barricades before recent years, and I can only guess this is because of advances/proliferation of reflective materials. I remember far more often driving past rows of scores of the, something I don't notice as much these days.
I recall those, what I call 'smudgepots', too. You can frequently find them on eBay and someone may still make them.
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Post by: kkt on September 02, 2013, 11:41:18 AM
Post by: kkt on September 02, 2013, 11:41:18 AM
Quote from: Steve on September 02, 2013, 11:32:55 AMQuote from: mgk920 on August 30, 2013, 10:27:30 AMSmudge pots are indeed their name, and I would be very surprised if anyone made them now.Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM* Something I guess were called "flare pots" (but I remember calling "smoke pots") as a regular warning device at construction sites, particularly unattended ones at night. It looked like a little cannonball, as I recall, with a very small flame flickering atop it -- not bright, but lit and able to stay on all night. There may have been another name for these.
I also feel like there were many more flashing yellow lights on construction barricades before recent years, and I can only guess this is because of advances/proliferation of reflective materials. I remember far more often driving past rows of scores of the, something I don't notice as much these days.
I recall those, what I call 'smudgepots', too. You can frequently find them on eBay and someone may still make them.
Really? I thought they were used mainly by farmers. The heat and smoke generated keeps the crops above freezing, if the night might be cold and damage them. The smoke prevents IR heat loss on clear nights.
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Post by: Brian556 on September 02, 2013, 11:46:58 AM
Post by: Brian556 on September 02, 2013, 11:46:58 AM
QuoteI also feel like there were many more flashing yellow lights on construction barricades before recent years, and I can only guess this is because of advances/proliferation of reflective materials. I remember far more often driving past rows of scores of the, something I don't notice as much these days.
Better reflective sheeting...along with that NHCRP crash testing crap did away with most of these.
The one notable exception is Florida. They still use them extensively. Type B on Road Work Ahead Signs, Type A on Barricades, Type C on every barrel. Their work zones do look cool at night.
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Post by: Alps on September 02, 2013, 11:57:49 AM
Post by: Alps on September 02, 2013, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: kkt on September 02, 2013, 11:41:18 AMIs it the same device that was used in construction zones? I was unaware of this other application.Quote from: Steve on September 02, 2013, 11:32:55 AMQuote from: mgk920 on August 30, 2013, 10:27:30 AMSmudge pots are indeed their name, and I would be very surprised if anyone made them now.Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM* Something I guess were called "flare pots" (but I remember calling "smoke pots") as a regular warning device at construction sites, particularly unattended ones at night. It looked like a little cannonball, as I recall, with a very small flame flickering atop it -- not bright, but lit and able to stay on all night. There may have been another name for these.
I also feel like there were many more flashing yellow lights on construction barricades before recent years, and I can only guess this is because of advances/proliferation of reflective materials. I remember far more often driving past rows of scores of the, something I don't notice as much these days.
I recall those, what I call 'smudgepots', too. You can frequently find them on eBay and someone may still make them.
Really? I thought they were used mainly by farmers. The heat and smoke generated keeps the crops above freezing, if the night might be cold and damage them. The smoke prevents IR heat loss on clear nights.
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Post by: D-Dey65 on September 02, 2013, 12:31:42 PM
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 02, 2013, 12:31:42 PM
Was this covered yet?:
You're too old if you remember that construction signs were yellow instead of orange.
You're too old if you remember that construction signs were yellow instead of orange.
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Post by: lepidopteran on September 02, 2013, 11:07:47 PM
Post by: lepidopteran on September 02, 2013, 11:07:47 PM
Another example of incomplete highways, not necessarily Interstate, can be seen in the closing credits of the kids' show The Krofft Supershow. Produced in Atlanta, at 1:05 in the closing credits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndnTIcbE_mI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndnTIcbE_mI) the kids are running along a ghost ramp with the downtown Atlanta skyline in the background. I heard that one of the roads was Presidential Parkway. Note how they put the name of the show on the BGS (LGS?) at the side of the road.
I think there's a fluorescent sign light visible in the clearer opening credits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvNQjrVqDFI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvNQjrVqDFI) at about 0:35.
I think there's a fluorescent sign light visible in the clearer opening credits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvNQjrVqDFI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvNQjrVqDFI) at about 0:35.
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Post by: roadman65 on September 03, 2013, 07:19:53 PM
Post by: roadman65 on September 03, 2013, 07:19:53 PM
You are too old to remember when in Paxtonia, PA (near Harrisburg) when the traffic signal at US 22 & Mountain Road was US 22's easternmost traffic signal in the state of Pennsylvania. In addition the speed limit east of PA 39 was 55 mph all the way into I-78 including Fredericksburg which now has a 40 mph speed zone and back in 1990, when I lodged at the Quality Inn on that intersection's NW corner, reminents of the fact no signals existed once from Phillipsburg, NJ to this intersection were still left behind with two signal warning signs accomplied by two yellow flashers just to east of Mountain Road directly across from the supermarket on the SE corner that was a Food Festival back then.
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Post by: Pete from Boston on September 03, 2013, 09:41:00 PM
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 03, 2013, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 02, 2013, 11:57:49 AMQuote from: kkt on September 02, 2013, 11:41:18 AMIs it the same device that was used in construction zones? I was unaware of this other application.Quote from: Steve on September 02, 2013, 11:32:55 AMQuote from: mgk920 on August 30, 2013, 10:27:30 AMSmudge pots are indeed their name, and I would be very surprised if anyone made them now.Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM* Something I guess were called "flare pots" (but I remember calling "smoke pots") as a regular warning device at construction sites, particularly unattended ones at night. It looked like a little cannonball, as I recall, with a very small flame flickering atop it -- not bright, but lit and able to stay on all night. There may have been another name for these.
I also feel like there were many more flashing yellow lights on construction barricades before recent years, and I can only guess this is because of advances/proliferation of reflective materials. I remember far more often driving past rows of scores of the, something I don't notice as much these days.
I recall those, what I call 'smudgepots', too. You can frequently find them on eBay and someone may still make them.
Really? I thought they were used mainly by farmers. The heat and smoke generated keeps the crops above freezing, if the night might be cold and damage them. The smoke prevents IR heat loss on clear nights.
I don't think so. I've seen those flue-type oil burners they use in orchards before, but only just recently looking at them online did I know they share a name with the things I remember used in construction zones (which research indicates were also called "Toledo torches").
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 04, 2013, 03:44:33 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 04, 2013, 03:44:33 PM
Quote from: akotchi on August 30, 2013, 01:04:25 PMWhile in the same area . . . the portion of the Trenton loop between NJ 31 and U.S. 1 was originally officially I-295, but signing said "to I-95 North" or "to I-95 South." There were still ramp stubs and graded areas for the cancelled I-95 segment, and the "mainline" was two lanes between the stubs. The unofficial routing of I-95 (NB, anyway) in the gap was U.S. 1.At the time, the BGS for US 1 North off I-295 originally read:
EXIT 67A
NORTH 1 TO 95
New York
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Post by: roadman65 on September 05, 2013, 10:56:37 AM
Post by: roadman65 on September 05, 2013, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 04, 2013, 03:44:33 PMAlso, I remember when US 1 south had "Camden" as a control city for SB I-295 instead of "Bordentown" and this was when I-295 was incomplete south of Mercerville to Bordentown at US 130. Sometime later Bordentown was added, I guess do to the gap in freeway, but now its done completely, it should return back to Camden.Quote from: akotchi on August 30, 2013, 01:04:25 PMWhile in the same area . . . the portion of the Trenton loop between NJ 31 and U.S. 1 was originally officially I-295, but signing said "to I-95 North" or "to I-95 South." There were still ramp stubs and graded areas for the cancelled I-95 segment, and the "mainline" was two lanes between the stubs. The unofficial routing of I-95 (NB, anyway) in the gap was U.S. 1.At the time, the BGS for US 1 North off I-295 originally read:
EXIT 67A
NORTH 1 TO 95
New York
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Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 05, 2013, 11:54:22 AM
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 05, 2013, 11:54:22 AM
I remember when East Street valley in Pittsburgh had yet to have a building demolished. And Deutchtown completely intact.
I remember McKnight road as 4 lanes, with no development south of North Hills Village or North of Northway Mall.
I remember 79 south ending at PA 228, and north at a traffic signal at 26th Street in Erie
I remember no Allegheny Valley Expressway past Freeport Road in Blawnox
I Remember crossing the Manchester Bridge and the very start of the Chateau Street PA 65/US 19 freeway in Manchester.
I remember McKnight road as 4 lanes, with no development south of North Hills Village or North of Northway Mall.
I remember 79 south ending at PA 228, and north at a traffic signal at 26th Street in Erie
I remember no Allegheny Valley Expressway past Freeport Road in Blawnox
I Remember crossing the Manchester Bridge and the very start of the Chateau Street PA 65/US 19 freeway in Manchester.
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Post by: hbelkins on September 05, 2013, 01:04:19 PM
Post by: hbelkins on September 05, 2013, 01:04:19 PM
I remember smudge pots.
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Post by: Henry on September 05, 2013, 01:27:06 PM
Post by: Henry on September 05, 2013, 01:27:06 PM
The white dashed lines in the Rand McNally road atlas showing a proposed highway. Seems to me that they refuse to acknowledge the new proposals these days...
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Post by: Pete from Boston on September 05, 2013, 02:35:32 PM
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 05, 2013, 02:35:32 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 05, 2013, 01:27:06 PM
The white dashed lines in the Rand McNally road atlas showing a proposed highway. Seems to me that they refuse to acknowledge the new proposals these days...
Can you imagine them brazenly putting estimated completion times on them today like they did then? These days there is CNN to run stories on things like "Person suffers inconvenience from failed reasonable attempt to provide helpful information" at best, lawsuits over said inconvenience at worst.
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Post by: Mark68 on September 06, 2013, 04:43:02 PM
Post by: Mark68 on September 06, 2013, 04:43:02 PM
I am too old because I remember:
Yellow "Yield" signs.
I-15 still under construction in Utah (mostly around the Beaver and Millard areas).
Interstate 15E (and no real Interstate 15 south of Devore).
Kramer Junction as a 4-way stop.
No Interstate 5 in the Central Valley.
No CA-57.
When Orange County (CA) still had the orange groves for which it was named (used to play in some near my house in Irvine as a kid).
Drive-in movie theaters where the only sound you could get was on the tinny speakers they had on poles that you then had to mount on your window.
The City of Anaheim used to put these glass (I think it was glass) fixtures over the green lights on the side-mounted signals, I guess to improve visibility for traffic that was straight on, but reduce it for side traffic.
When all of the traffic signals in SoCal (and the Vegas area) were painted yellow on the bottom of the light poles.
Yellow "Yield" signs.
I-15 still under construction in Utah (mostly around the Beaver and Millard areas).
Interstate 15E (and no real Interstate 15 south of Devore).
Kramer Junction as a 4-way stop.
No Interstate 5 in the Central Valley.
No CA-57.
When Orange County (CA) still had the orange groves for which it was named (used to play in some near my house in Irvine as a kid).
Drive-in movie theaters where the only sound you could get was on the tinny speakers they had on poles that you then had to mount on your window.
The City of Anaheim used to put these glass (I think it was glass) fixtures over the green lights on the side-mounted signals, I guess to improve visibility for traffic that was straight on, but reduce it for side traffic.
When all of the traffic signals in SoCal (and the Vegas area) were painted yellow on the bottom of the light poles.
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Post by: Mark68 on September 06, 2013, 04:45:19 PM
Post by: Mark68 on September 06, 2013, 04:45:19 PM
Quote from: kkt on September 02, 2013, 11:41:18 AMQuote from: Steve on September 02, 2013, 11:32:55 AMQuote from: mgk920 on August 30, 2013, 10:27:30 AMSmudge pots are indeed their name, and I would be very surprised if anyone made them now.Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM* Something I guess were called "flare pots" (but I remember calling "smoke pots") as a regular warning device at construction sites, particularly unattended ones at night. It looked like a little cannonball, as I recall, with a very small flame flickering atop it -- not bright, but lit and able to stay on all night. There may have been another name for these.
I also feel like there were many more flashing yellow lights on construction barricades before recent years, and I can only guess this is because of advances/proliferation of reflective materials. I remember far more often driving past rows of scores of the, something I don't notice as much these days.
I recall those, what I call 'smudgepots', too. You can frequently find them on eBay and someone may still make them.
Really? I thought they were used mainly by farmers. The heat and smoke generated keeps the crops above freezing, if the night might be cold and damage them. The smoke prevents IR heat loss on clear nights.
My grandparents used them on their avocado farm until they sold it in the early 90s. That's indeed what they were used for.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2013, 04:51:10 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2013, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on September 06, 2013, 04:43:02 PM
Kramer Junction as a 4-way stop.
that was the case until 2006 or so. thus, even I - age 32, moved to California in 2004 - remember that!
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Post by: oldparoadgeek on September 07, 2013, 03:54:03 AM
Post by: oldparoadgeek on September 07, 2013, 03:54:03 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 03, 2013, 07:19:53 PM
You are too old to remember when in Paxtonia, PA (near Harrisburg) when the traffic signal at US 22 & Mountain Road was US 22's easternmost traffic signal in the state of Pennsylvania. In addition the speed limit east of PA 39 was 55 mph all the way into I-78 including Fredericksburg which now has a 40 mph speed zone and back in 1990, when I lodged at the Quality Inn on that intersection's NW corner, reminents of the fact no signals existed once from Phillipsburg, NJ to this intersection were still left behind with two signal warning signs accomplied by two yellow flashers just to east of Mountain Road directly across from the supermarket on the SE corner that was a Food Festival back then.
I can remember when there were NO signals at mountain road before I-81 was finished. The supermarket was a Drive-In movie theatre. It used to take 3-3 1/2 hours to go 90 miles from Harrisburg PA to Martinsburg WV; and most of I-495 was mostly just a 4 lane freeway!!
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Post by: roadman65 on September 07, 2013, 07:16:14 AM
Post by: roadman65 on September 07, 2013, 07:16:14 AM
I can remember when the State of Maryland had all of its traffic signals using green poles and 98 percent of them were span wire assemblies.
I can also remember, when Virginia used all cutout visors on its signals with absolutely no 8 inch red lenses. Either they were all 12-12-12 signals or the 12-8-8.
I even remember when NJ used the same color green as NY and LA for their signal head color scheme before adopting yellow in the early 80's for statewide use. Some communities in NJ still previously used yellow, but pretty much most of the Garden State was green with 8 inch lenses as 12 inch signal lenses were only used for green arrow lenses and at a few intersections in Newark.
I can also remember, when Virginia used all cutout visors on its signals with absolutely no 8 inch red lenses. Either they were all 12-12-12 signals or the 12-8-8.
I even remember when NJ used the same color green as NY and LA for their signal head color scheme before adopting yellow in the early 80's for statewide use. Some communities in NJ still previously used yellow, but pretty much most of the Garden State was green with 8 inch lenses as 12 inch signal lenses were only used for green arrow lenses and at a few intersections in Newark.
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Post by: lepidopteran on September 07, 2013, 11:29:12 PM
Post by: lepidopteran on September 07, 2013, 11:29:12 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PMTwo of these are found in the Merrie Melodies Road Runner cartoon short "Hip Hip-Hurry"
* Something I guess were called "flare pots" (but I remember calling "smoke pots") as a regular warning device at construction sites, particularly unattended ones at night. It looked like a little cannonball, as I recall, with a very small flame flickering atop it -- not bright, but lit and able to stay on all night. There may have been another name for these.
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Post by: roadman65 on September 07, 2013, 11:48:06 PM
Post by: roadman65 on September 07, 2013, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: oldparoadgeek on September 07, 2013, 03:54:03 AMI take the I-495 you mention is today's Capital Beltway, if so that I cannot imagine. Then again after living in Florida for 23 years I have seen what sprawl can do to Orange Blossom Trail south of Florida Mall. I even remember when intersections along Kirkman Road near Universal and I-Drive tourist areas were signal less several years prior to me moving here and many along John Young and OBT at my arrival date. Now many intersections have changed not only along OBT and JYP, but on Kirkman now that were nothing are presently one of the most busiest in the region especially Kirkman and Vineland intersection which back in the 1970's had only STOP signs on Vineland Road as the only traffic controlling device there. IQuote from: roadman65 on September 03, 2013, 07:19:53 PM
You are too old to remember when in Paxtonia, PA (near Harrisburg) when the traffic signal at US 22 & Mountain Road was US 22's easternmost traffic signal in the state of Pennsylvania. In addition the speed limit east of PA 39 was 55 mph all the way into I-78 including Fredericksburg which now has a 40 mph speed zone and back in 1990, when I lodged at the Quality Inn on that intersection's NW corner, reminents of the fact no signals existed once from Phillipsburg, NJ to this intersection were still left behind with two signal warning signs accomplied by two yellow flashers just to east of Mountain Road directly across from the supermarket on the SE corner that was a Food Festival back then.
I can remember when there were NO signals at mountain road before I-81 was finished. The supermarket was a Drive-In movie theatre. It used to take 3-3 1/2 hours to go 90 miles from Harrisburg PA to Martinsburg WV; and most of I-495 was mostly just a 4 lane freeway!!
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Post by: oldparoadgeek on September 08, 2013, 01:20:08 AM
Post by: oldparoadgeek on September 08, 2013, 01:20:08 AM
Yes; I was referring to the Capital Beltway. When it was done; I think in the mid 60's It was pretty much at the edge of suburbia!!!! Within 5 miles of the VA Route 7 interchange; 7 was a 2 lane road going thru farm country. I was down there from PA helping to open a fast food rest. named Gino's. Tyson's Corner at that time was just an intersection lol It was even before Tyson's Corner Mall was built. Actually I think it was being built but not yet open.
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Post by: mgk920 on September 08, 2013, 01:27:17 AM
Post by: mgk920 on September 08, 2013, 01:27:17 AM
...all of the stop-and-go lights around here were either '8-8-8' or '8-8-12' and all of them yellow fronted with no back plates.
:nod:
Mike
:nod:
Mike
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Post by: ctsignguy on September 08, 2013, 12:46:59 PM
Post by: ctsignguy on September 08, 2013, 12:46:59 PM
I remember smudge pots....
....yellow YIELD signs, plus diamond warning and regulatory signs BEFORE symbols....."MERGING TRAFFIC" "SIGNAL AHEAD" "NO U TURN".....
....Conn 51 on the Boston Post Road while US 1 lounged on the Turnpike
....Conn 52 before it became I-395
....Ohio 69 before it was decommissioned and Ohio 235 extended
....Wisconsin's unique US shields with the US in the crown and state name below......
....yellow YIELD signs, plus diamond warning and regulatory signs BEFORE symbols....."MERGING TRAFFIC" "SIGNAL AHEAD" "NO U TURN".....
....Conn 51 on the Boston Post Road while US 1 lounged on the Turnpike
....Conn 52 before it became I-395
....Ohio 69 before it was decommissioned and Ohio 235 extended
....Wisconsin's unique US shields with the US in the crown and state name below......
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Post by: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:12:29 PM
Post by: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: oldparoadgeek on September 08, 2013, 01:20:08 AMI remember when Laurel, MD stood out by itself and there was open areas on US 1 between both Baltimore and Washington. Now, it is part of Washington, DC as it is all urban from the Nation's Capital through College Park and then what used to be rural north of the Beltway including the one overpass that another at grade road used to be separated from US 1 was (and still is today) that now is among many shopping centers and heavy sprawl! There still are some semi rural sections of US 1 around Savage (at least in 03 there was) and Elkridge, but how things have changed there.
Yes; I was referring to the Capital Beltway. When it was done; I think in the mid 60's It was pretty much at the edge of suburbia!!!! Within 5 miles of the VA Route 7 interchange; 7 was a 2 lane road going thru farm country. I was down there from PA helping to open a fast food rest. named Gino's. Tyson's Corner at that time was just an intersection lol It was even before Tyson's Corner Mall was built. Actually I think it was being built but not yet open.
Today you could not imagine the I-495 Beltway being a four lane road with the amount of cars on the road.
Speaking of Washington, DC I remember when there were four streets within the National Mall instead of the two. The two inner streets became gravel walkways that are still there today, and the crosswalk signals at these gravel walks on the cross streets were once auto traffic control devices for the removed streets. The removal of those middle streets took away lots of parking places which is probably why the National Air and Space Museum had to build a parking garage beneath it when it opened back in the Mid 70s.
In Virginia I remember that I-95 was 4 lanes south of Woodbridge to VA Route 54 at Ashland and some cities like Fredericksburg and Ashland had the population written out on I-95 guide signs in small letters. Also I remember when I-95 in VA had no exit numbers except on the Richmond- Petersburg Turnpike which was sequential starting with the I-85 & US 1/460 interchange outside of Petersburg to Exit 17 being the US 301 & VA 1 interchange with I-95 north of Richmond.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on September 08, 2013, 02:34:11 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 08, 2013, 02:34:11 PM
Quote from: oldparoadgeek on September 08, 2013, 01:20:08 AM
Yes; I was referring to the Capital Beltway. When it was done; I think in the mid 60's It was pretty much at the edge of suburbia!!!! Within 5 miles of the VA Route 7 interchange; 7 was a 2 lane road going thru farm country. I was down there from PA helping to open a fast food rest. named Gino's. Tyson's Corner at that time was just an intersection lol It was even before Tyson's Corner Mall was built. Actually I think it was being built but not yet open.
Capital Beltway was completed in August of 1964.
As for edge of suburbia, that was the case along some parts of its path (Prince George's County, Md. south of U.S. 50 and much of Fairfax County, Va.).
It was not the case approaching the Virginia side of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, where it runs through the City of Alexandria, Va. nor was it through the Chevy Chase and Silver Spring areas of Montgomery County, Md. and College Park, Greenbelt and New Carrollton areas of Prince George's County. The routing of the Beltway through New Carrollton severed the bulk of the city (on the "inside," or west side of the Beltway) from its City Hall (located just "outside," or east of the Beltway).
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Post by: cpzilliacus on September 08, 2013, 02:47:03 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 08, 2013, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:12:29 PM
I remember when Laurel, MD stood out by itself and there was open areas on US 1 between both Baltimore and Washington. Now, it is part of Washington, DC as it is all urban from the Nation's Capital through College Park and then what used to be rural north of the Beltway including the one overpass that another at grade road used to be separated from US 1 was (and still is today) that now is among many shopping centers and heavy sprawl! There still are some semi rural sections of US 1 around Savage (at least in 03 there was) and Elkridge, but how things have changed there.
There is still some open, unused space between Laurel and the Capital Beltway. The site of the Konterra development is at the interchange of I-95 and Md. 200 (ICC), and is for now undeveloped. Along the Baltimore-Washington Parkway, there is a tremendous amount of undeveloped land on both sides of the Parkway in Prince George's County owned by the federal government (mostly the U.S. Department of Agriculture).
Quote from: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:12:29 PM
Today you could not imagine the I-495 Beltway being a four lane road with the amount of cars on the road.
It was only four lanes in Fairfax County, Va. When it was completed in 1964, all of it was six lanes in Maryland (though some of the segments opened before 1964 were built with four lanes and widened).
Quote from: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:12:29 PM
Speaking of Washington, DC I remember when there were four streets within the National Mall instead of the two. The two inner streets became gravel walkways that are still there today, and the crosswalk signals at these gravel walks on the cross streets were once auto traffic control devices for the removed streets. The removal of those middle streets took away lots of parking places which is probably why the National Air and Space Museum had to build a parking garage beneath it when it opened back in the Mid 70s.
Those streets were removed in part because workers in nearby federal office buildings used them for free parking.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:12:29 PM
In Virginia I remember that I-95 was 4 lanes south of Woodbridge to VA Route 54 at Ashland and some cities like Fredericksburg and Ashland had the population written out on I-95 guide signs in small letters. Also I remember when I-95 in VA had no exit numbers except on the Richmond- Petersburg Turnpike which was sequential starting with the I-85 & US 1/460 interchange outside of Petersburg to Exit 17 being the US 301 & VA 1 interchange with I-95 north of Richmond.
Widening of I-95 in Virginia between Hanover County and Prince William County was completed in the 1980's in one big project.
Numbering of tolled segments of highways separate from adjacent sections of "free" road was rather common. And still is, to some extent (consider the N.Y. State Thruway and the N.J. Turnpike).
Maryland's JFK Highway had exit numbers that were independent of the rest of I-95 in the state.
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Post by: xonhulu on September 08, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
Post by: xonhulu on September 08, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
. . . when the gallons ticked off faster than the dollars on the gas pump!
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Post by: Scott5114 on September 09, 2013, 02:28:59 AM
Post by: Scott5114 on September 09, 2013, 02:28:59 AM
Quote from: xonhulu on September 08, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
. . . when the gallons ticked off faster than the dollars on the gas pump!
I remember this and I'm 23...
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Post by: ctsignguy on September 09, 2013, 07:48:02 AM
Post by: ctsignguy on September 09, 2013, 07:48:02 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 09, 2013, 02:28:59 AMQuote from: xonhulu on September 08, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
. . . when the gallons ticked off faster than the dollars on the gas pump!
I remember this and I'm 23...
I am old enough to remember the old-style 'gas wars' when gas would be as low as 25 cents per gallon....
(of course, that was also back when the minimum wage was roughly 65 cents an hour....)
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Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
Quote from: ctsignguy on September 09, 2013, 07:48:02 AMI remember when toll plazas (particularly at coin drops) were charged the motorists in cents rather than dollars, especially in NYC on bridges and tunnels, and the expensive I-95 through Delaware and Maryland.Quote from: Scott5114 on September 09, 2013, 02:28:59 AMQuote from: xonhulu on September 08, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
. . . when the gallons ticked off faster than the dollars on the gas pump!
I remember this and I'm 23...
I am old enough to remember the old-style 'gas wars' when gas would be as low as 25 cents per gallon....
(of course, that was also back when the minimum wage was roughly 65 cents an hour....)
With Gas it was not that long ago that even the Milenium generation will remember when it took around $10 to fill a gas tank on a car. I personally remember that when it costed me more than $13 to put in my tank, gas was too expensive!
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 09, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 09, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 08:27:08 AMGas prices indeed dipped below $1/gallon circa 1999. At the end of 2008/beginning of 2009; the average price was about $1.75/gallon; less than half the current average price on the pump.Quote from: ctsignguy on September 09, 2013, 07:48:02 AMWith Gas it was not that long ago that even the Milenium generation will remember when it took around $10 to fill a gas tank on a car. I personally remember that when it costed me more than $13 to put in my tank, gas was too expensive!Quote from: Scott5114 on September 09, 2013, 02:28:59 AMQuote from: xonhulu on September 08, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
. . . when the gallons ticked off faster than the dollars on the gas pump!
I remember this and I'm 23...
I am old enough to remember the old-style 'gas wars' when gas would be as low as 25 cents per gallon....
(of course, that was also back when the minimum wage was roughly 65 cents an hour....)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 30, 2013, 11:00:35 AMNJDOT didn't appear to go thru the effort of redesigning the interchange before they finally got around to building it. The original design was created in the 1960's, when the original I-95 routing was proposed to go thru North Jersey. Even knowing things like I-95 was not going to be built, the 295/195/29 interchange was still built as it was designed in the 60's.A redesign likely would've meant going through a whole new permitting process (the main reason why projects take so long to come to fruition). In NJDOT's eyes/mind; it was better for them to just build the original design then undergo a delay for a new design.
Back to the Boston area, and I (or roadman) should've mentioned this one earlier:
MA 128 in Peabody having a traffic signal at Forrest St.; which was then Exit 27. The original Exit 28 was the Summit St. turn-off from 128 south. The signals were removed during the mid-1970s. Along northbound 128, one would be greeted with an overhead gantry with a long, horizonal BYS (w/black lettering) reading TRAFFIC SIGNAL AHEAD before the signal.
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Post by: xonhulu on September 09, 2013, 09:00:02 AM
Post by: xonhulu on September 09, 2013, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 09, 2013, 02:28:59 AMQuote from: xonhulu on September 08, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
. . . when the gallons ticked off faster than the dollars on the gas pump!
I remember this and I'm 23...
Backwards, sorry.
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Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 09:25:41 AM
Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 09:25:41 AM
Quote from: xonhulu on September 09, 2013, 09:00:02 AMI remember the old dials instead of the display that we all got to know!Quote from: Scott5114 on September 09, 2013, 02:28:59 AMQuote from: xonhulu on September 08, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
. . . when the gallons ticked off faster than the dollars on the gas pump!
I remember this and I'm 23...
Backwards, sorry.
In fact Ialso miss the dials on our odometers as now with the digital hard drive, it takes the fun out of looking at your mileage. It does not interest me anymore when the car reaches 100K like it used to.
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Post by: spooky on September 09, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
Post by: spooky on September 09, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
Quote from: ctsignguy on September 08, 2013, 12:46:59 PM
....Conn 52 before it became I-395
I remember this. We traveled a lot by car when I was a kid, and any trip towards upstate NY or Canada meant US 6 -> RI 101 -> CT 101 -> CT 52 -> MassPike.
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Post by: kennyshark on September 09, 2013, 11:44:22 AM
Post by: kennyshark on September 09, 2013, 11:44:22 AM
When I was a kid in the early/mid-70s, Interstate 280 in Wood County, OH (metro Toledo) still had some at-grade intersections. I remember thinking "This is a freeway?"
At about the same time, the U.S. 23 freeway in Monroe County, MI had an at-grade railroad crossing.
Fortunately, they were "corrected" by the time I started driving on both of these.
At about the same time, the U.S. 23 freeway in Monroe County, MI had an at-grade railroad crossing.
Fortunately, they were "corrected" by the time I started driving on both of these.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 12:33:50 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 12:33:50 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 09:25:41 AMI remember the old dials instead of the display that we all got to know!
I think you can still find them here and there in the US. the last time I saw one in use was in western Nebraska in 2010. a little independently-owned station.
you can definitely find them all over Argentina.
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Post by: roadman on September 09, 2013, 12:47:01 PM
Post by: roadman on September 09, 2013, 12:47:01 PM
More from Massachusetts.
When the junction of MA 99 and US 1 was a rotary instead of an interchange.
When Bell Circle was a "true" rotary before the "cut through" between MA 60 and MA 1A was completed.
As for mechanical "dial" gas pumps, the last time I remember seeing one in use was in 1993. It was at the Mobil station at the junction of I-84 and US 220 in Milesburg, PA.
When the junction of MA 99 and US 1 was a rotary instead of an interchange.
When Bell Circle was a "true" rotary before the "cut through" between MA 60 and MA 1A was completed.
As for mechanical "dial" gas pumps, the last time I remember seeing one in use was in 1993. It was at the Mobil station at the junction of I-84 and US 220 in Milesburg, PA.
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Post by: machias on September 09, 2013, 12:57:27 PM
Post by: machias on September 09, 2013, 12:57:27 PM
From Upstate New York -
Driving on NY Route 57.
The original alignment of Interstate 81 at the NY Route 57 interchange.
The Thruway interchange off of Interstate 81 before it was Exit 25A
Turning left onto the Thruway at the west end of Interstate 690
ROUTE 98
Batavia
EXIT 48 1 MILE
EXIT 3/4 MILE FOR
Lancaster
Buffalo Airport
Driving on NY Route 57.
The original alignment of Interstate 81 at the NY Route 57 interchange.
The Thruway interchange off of Interstate 81 before it was Exit 25A
Turning left onto the Thruway at the west end of Interstate 690
ROUTE 98
Batavia
EXIT 48 1 MILE
EXIT 3/4 MILE FOR
Lancaster
Buffalo Airport
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Post by: WichitaRoads on September 09, 2013, 01:17:41 PM
Post by: WichitaRoads on September 09, 2013, 01:17:41 PM
I remember in Wichita:
- When there were still lights on Kellogg at Bluff, Vine, and Tracy.
- Future K-96 signs along the right-of-way of the NE Expressway
- Three different signal/intersection configurations on Rock Road at Towne East Mall
- The Downtown Dip, where Kellogg went through four lights downtown
I'm sure there's more.... I just need to think...
ICTRds
- When there were still lights on Kellogg at Bluff, Vine, and Tracy.
- Future K-96 signs along the right-of-way of the NE Expressway
- Three different signal/intersection configurations on Rock Road at Towne East Mall
- The Downtown Dip, where Kellogg went through four lights downtown
I'm sure there's more.... I just need to think...
ICTRds
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: DaBigE on September 09, 2013, 01:42:52 PM
Post by: DaBigE on September 09, 2013, 01:42:52 PM
How about...
- When squad cars used to have large speed check displays strapped to their roof (still remember a couple in the early 90s...)
- When column shifters weren't just for squad cars
- When giving your car a tune-up meant something more than updating the software on the on-board computer
- When brake pads seemed to last forever/were made of asbestos
- When more than the Michigan State Police used single (or dual) rotating roof lights/"gumballs"
- When squad cars in Wisconsin used all red lights on the roof
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 09, 2013, 02:53:08 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 09, 2013, 02:53:08 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 09, 2013, 12:47:01 PMWhen Bell Circle was a "true" rotary before the "cut through" between MA 60 and MA 1A was completed.I mentioned that one in my first post in this thread. :sombrero:
Quote from: roadman on September 09, 2013, 12:47:01 PMSome marinas might still use those in operation. I saw one about 4 years ago at a dock in Crystal Beach, MD still in active use.
As for mechanical "dial" gas pumps, the last time I remember seeing one in use was in 1993. It was at the Mobil station at the junction of I-84 and US 220 in Milesburg, PA.
A piggy-back for the old-style rotating dial gas pumps... half-gallon pricing. This was done in the late 70s/early 80s when the cost of gasoline broke $1/gallon for the first time. Most pumps back then weren't calibrated for prices higher than $1/gallon. The infamous (and now gone) Beacon Hill Gulf station run by Glenn Heller had one of the first pumps that allowed for $1+/gallon pricing. For those that remember, he was charging $1.56/gallon in 1979 when the average price was $0.84/gallon.
Quote from: DaBigE on September 09, 2013, 01:42:52 PMTo add...
How about...
- When squad cars used to have large speed check displays strapped to their roof (still remember a couple in the early 90s...)
- When column shifters weren't just for squad cars
- When giving your car a tune-up meant something more than updating the software on the on-board computer
- When brake pads seemed to last forever/were made of asbestos
- When more than the Michigan State Police used single (or dual) rotating roof lights/"gumballs"
- When squad cars in Wisconsin used all red lights on the roof
-When the majority of squad cars featured body-on-frame construction (the Mopars went early w/unitized construction) and rear-wheel-drive. Ford's Crown Victoria Police Interceptor model (aka CVPI, retired after 2011) was the last car to feature both.
-The only visually extra/aftermarket equipment on a squad car was an under-the-dash radio.
-When many squad cars consisted of 2-door sedans (vs. 4-door) that were not sports/pony cars (Mustang/Camaro) nor trucks/SUVs (Bronco).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmysite.verizon.net%2Fvzeopzls%2Fsitebuildercontent%2Fsitebuilderpictures%2F680409392305_0_bg.jpg&hash=3cf83e50cb66a77c0b5139eb666df11c571dd25e)
MA State Police uses the above color-scheme (navy blue/medium blue) to this day; although they now feature the trooper's shoulder patch for the front door emblem now.
No photo available but RI State Police had full-sized coupes for some of their marked squad cars well into the late 70s. I have a police car book that showed a '78 Ford LTD coupe in full RI State Police livery.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
Post by: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
Here is my list
General
General
- When Arco made a big deal about doing away with their gas card
- When Jack In The Box blew up the clown
- When cars came with 8 tracks
- It was considered cool if your car had FM in addition to AM, really cool if it came with a cassette tape, and uber cool if it came with CD. BTW: Whats MP3? :-D
- A mobile phone was something that was hard wired into your car.... and ONLY send/received calls. BTW: Whats texting? :-D
- My first cell phone plan came with 50 minutes PEAK and 300 minutes night/weekend.
- Shell stations handing out little yellow "tips" books that was also reprinted in Reader's Digest
- Gas stations had service bays instead of convenience stores
- Gas stations had dial pumps instead of electronic pumps, and you could first pump and then pay instead of the other way around
- Even/odd days for gas rationing
- Major movies on television were considered "events", and if you missed it, you had to wait a year until it was broadcast again.
- Getting a FREE road map at the gas station
- Traveling down i-680 in Concord meant you got a view of the Navy Ghost Fleet
- The Benicia-Martinez Bridge was a single narrow bridge that was next to a railroad track
- Was this also the same bridge that you saw a big C&H Sugar sign when you went Northbound?
- Interstate 80 went through downtown Sacramento, and Interstate 880 went north over town? Now, it's Business 80 and Interstate 80 respectively
- "Commander Bill" Eveland and Joe Miano doing traffic reports in Sacramento with the reports from planes instead of repeating the info from CHP's traffic information page
- CA-65 not existing between Lincoln and I-80 in Roseville. To get to Lincoln, you had to drive through downtown Roseville.
- When CA-160 went through downtown Sacramento, and CA-99 went via the W-X freeway
- Traveling up I-80 near Donner Pass and wondering what that green cover plate was. (The sign has I-80 shield on the left, and US-40 on the right)
- Interstate 5 was incomplete between Sacramento and Tracy, so you ended up taking CA-99 to Southern California because it was easier
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:08 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:08 PM
remember when AT&T and MCI used to try to win customers over tenths-of-a-cent difference in the per-minute long distance land line rates?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on September 09, 2013, 06:46:55 PM
Post by: kkt on September 09, 2013, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
General
- Traveling down i-680 in Concord meant you got a view of the Navy Ghost Fleet
You can still see the mothball fleet from the same highway, it's just called I-780 now.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 07:22:26 PM
Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 07:22:26 PM
I remember when TV shows used to have closing sequences in the end either with rolling credits or name or names at a time. What are those names that flash by at the bottom of the screen now?
I remember when you only had three major networks, and when the President of the United States came on to speak you had not too many alternatives to go through to avoid watching him! BTW whats a remote control in a private home? Weren't they only on TV shows with the swinging kitchen doors, which were all sitcoms?
I remember that phone booths had doors that closed that later changed to a phone on a pedestal. Also when rotary phones were the norm and touch tone was extra a month. In addition you never owned your telephone, but it was provided for you as part of the service. We can thank the judge that broke up Bell, which later reunited when the business Pac Man became a big part of America.
I remember when you had to behave in a department store, or else the manager or sales people would tell your parents and you would get reprimanded!
I remember when Jack n the Box was not only in New Jersey, but had the only drive through pick up window around.
I remember when the Bar Association would not allow a lawyer to have ads on TV, radio, or billboards, but cigarettes were allowed instead!
I remember, when you could not have access to all NFL games on Sunday's, but only like 6 games on each of the three networks.
I remember when the news aired at 6 o clock and not 5, and the national news (Cronkite, Chancellor, or Harry Reasoner (used to be on ABC) aired at 7 PM.
I remember when Bewiched was first run with Dick Sargent (Darrin number 2) therefore making him the first Darrin for me as I was too young to remember Dick York. In fact when I first saw Dick York on rerun, I was like "Man who is this guy?" Plus with Dick York always crying when his mother in law cast a spell on him rather than get angry like his successor did when portraying the part being part of hocus pocus , I actually thought he was the worst of the two at the time.
I even remember when Sodium Vapor lights only existed on Staten Island in the NYC area and hated them as they made the area they lit appear dismal.
I remember when you did not have to wear seat belts or when many states allowed either 18 or 19 to legally drink. I missed it in NJ by a few years. Then of course ole Ronnie changed it and threatened to have congress take away highway funding if they did not go 21 which is why it is now!
I remember when no one took sides between political arguments as politics used to be considered square for lay people talk about before Rush Limbaugh and Bill Clinton came into culture which had the current flames that launched from that now. You mean people actually defend an actual President of the United States?
I remember when you only had three major networks, and when the President of the United States came on to speak you had not too many alternatives to go through to avoid watching him! BTW whats a remote control in a private home? Weren't they only on TV shows with the swinging kitchen doors, which were all sitcoms?
I remember that phone booths had doors that closed that later changed to a phone on a pedestal. Also when rotary phones were the norm and touch tone was extra a month. In addition you never owned your telephone, but it was provided for you as part of the service. We can thank the judge that broke up Bell, which later reunited when the business Pac Man became a big part of America.
I remember when you had to behave in a department store, or else the manager or sales people would tell your parents and you would get reprimanded!
I remember when Jack n the Box was not only in New Jersey, but had the only drive through pick up window around.
I remember when the Bar Association would not allow a lawyer to have ads on TV, radio, or billboards, but cigarettes were allowed instead!
I remember, when you could not have access to all NFL games on Sunday's, but only like 6 games on each of the three networks.
I remember when the news aired at 6 o clock and not 5, and the national news (Cronkite, Chancellor, or Harry Reasoner (used to be on ABC) aired at 7 PM.
I remember when Bewiched was first run with Dick Sargent (Darrin number 2) therefore making him the first Darrin for me as I was too young to remember Dick York. In fact when I first saw Dick York on rerun, I was like "Man who is this guy?" Plus with Dick York always crying when his mother in law cast a spell on him rather than get angry like his successor did when portraying the part being part of hocus pocus , I actually thought he was the worst of the two at the time.
I even remember when Sodium Vapor lights only existed on Staten Island in the NYC area and hated them as they made the area they lit appear dismal.
I remember when you did not have to wear seat belts or when many states allowed either 18 or 19 to legally drink. I missed it in NJ by a few years. Then of course ole Ronnie changed it and threatened to have congress take away highway funding if they did not go 21 which is why it is now!
I remember when no one took sides between political arguments as politics used to be considered square for lay people talk about before Rush Limbaugh and Bill Clinton came into culture which had the current flames that launched from that now. You mean people actually defend an actual President of the United States?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on September 09, 2013, 07:36:43 PM
Post by: thenetwork on September 09, 2013, 07:36:43 PM
Quote from: kennyshark on September 09, 2013, 11:44:22 AM
When I was a kid in the early/mid-70s, Interstate 280 in Wood County, OH (metro Toledo) still had some at-grade intersections. I remember thinking "This is a freeway?"
At about the same time, the U.S. 23 freeway in Monroe County, MI had an at-grade railroad crossing.
Fortunately, they were "corrected" by the time I started driving on both of these.
Good ol' Walbridge Road -- That intersection was the first (and only place in a looong time) where I saw my first set of "PREPARE TO STOP WHEN FLASHING" assemblies. I would always hope we'd hit the flashers just as they would go off to announce the pending signal change.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 07:22:26 PM
I remember when the news aired at 6 o clock and not 5, and the national news (Cronkite, Chancellor, or Harry Reasoner (used to be on ABC) aired at 7 PM.
this change must be sufficiently late because I had no idea the news is on at 5.
I remember the 11 o'clock news being moved forward to 10 o'clock in more and more places, starting in the late 90s or so.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on September 09, 2013, 07:54:08 PM
Post by: thenetwork on September 09, 2013, 07:54:08 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PM[/quote]
- Gas stations had service bays instead of convenience stores.
There are stll quite a few stations in the Southwest (California & Arizona to name a couple) which are full-fledged service stations.
How about the days where in high-populated areas before the Midases, Jiffy Lubes and Pep Boys, you had neighborhoods in which there would be mom & pop gas/service stations on nearly every other block along the main routes....
...or you could get a car wash for free, or at least for under $1.00, with any fill up.
Here's a few more:
...When the red arrow on the main Sunoco signs would flash on & off...
...The blue Fotomat shacks in the middle of selected shopping center parking lots...and "Golden Goat" recycle-for-cash machines in others.
...When McDonalds not only DIDN'T have drive-thrus, they didn't even have indoor seating areas!!! (The last to-go-only McDs that I can remember was one on the west side of Asheville, NC on US-19/23 back in the Summer of 1977!!!)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 07:59:58 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on September 09, 2013, 07:54:08 PMQuote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PMThere are stll quite a few stations in the Southwest (California & Arizona to name a couple) which are full-fledged service stations.
- Gas stations had service bays instead of convenience stores.
I've always figured "service garages, place was built before 1980 or so; C-store, place was built after that".
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: deathtopumpkins on September 09, 2013, 09:17:52 PM
Post by: deathtopumpkins on September 09, 2013, 09:17:52 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 07:59:58 PMQuote from: thenetwork on September 09, 2013, 07:54:08 PMQuote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PMThere are stll quite a few stations in the Southwest (California & Arizona to name a couple) which are full-fledged service stations.
- Gas stations had service bays instead of convenience stores.
I've always figured "service garages, place was built before 1980 or so; C-store, place was built after that".
Same here. Another way you can usually tell is the location - the older places with garages are right in town, the newer places with convenience stores are on the edge of town, or near a freeway.
There are still at least 3 actual service stations in my town, of which I know two (and possibly the third) still have full-service gas, with gas pumps I can't believe still work.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on September 09, 2013, 09:50:45 PM
Post by: mgk920 on September 09, 2013, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
Here is my list
General
- Gas stations had dial pumps instead of electronic pumps, and you could first pump and then pay instead of the other way around
'Pump then pay' is still S.O.P. throughout most of Wisconsin, as well as many other parts of the upper midwest.
Quote from: thenetwork on September 09, 2013, 07:54:08 PM
...The blue Fotomat shacks in the middle of selected shopping center parking lots...and "Golden Goat" recycle-for-cash machines in others.
There are still some active can-buying machines here in the Appleton, WI area.
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Alps on September 09, 2013, 09:51:06 PM
Post by: Alps on September 09, 2013, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 12:33:50 PMI've seen them in the west - and filled up at one this very year (NWT).Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 09:25:41 AMI remember the old dials instead of the display that we all got to know!
I think you can still find them here and there in the US. the last time I saw one in use was in western Nebraska in 2010. a little independently-owned station.
you can definitely find them all over Argentina.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 09:56:13 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 09:56:13 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2013, 09:51:06 PM
I've seen them in the west - and filled up at one this very year (NWT).
that reminds me... there is an old wheelie pump halfway up the James Bay Road in Quebec. and perhaps I saw some in NWT/northern Alberta as well, but can't recall offhand because these pumps strike me as unusual but not so quaint that I make explicit note of them.
the main reason I don't use them as much is because I like to pay outside with a credit card, and I am quote confident that no gas pump design combines "outside credit card reader" with "wheels for readout". (watch someone prove me wrong with a photo of some MacGyver assembly!)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: theline on September 09, 2013, 10:10:39 PM
Post by: theline on September 09, 2013, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 07:22:26 PMHence the visual joke in the first Christopher Reeve Superman movie, which younger viewers probably don't understand. Clark Kent can't find his usual phone booth in which to change, at about the :04 mark of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksevcw3dGfY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksevcw3dGfY)
I remember that phone booths had doors that closed that later changed to a phone on a pedestal.
QuoteActually, the networks back then made the national news broadcasts available at 6, 6:30, and 7 (Eastern) for the affiliates, to fit the local schedules. I recall when I was a teen watching all 3 network newscasts back-to-back with my dad, comparing how they covered the Vietnam War, campus protests, and the like. He would have loved CNN and the WWW, had he lived.
I remember when the news aired at 6 o clock and not 5, and the national news (Cronkite, Chancellor, or Harry Reasoner (used to be on ABC) aired at 7 PM.
Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PMI'm pretty sure we still have some mechanical dial pumps in Indiana. I'll try to get a picture. We definitely still have "pump, then pay" available many places. I guess we're a trusting group here. I always pay with a card, but some pumps indicate that you can pay afterward.
- Gas stations had dial pumps instead of electronic pumps, and you could first pump and then pay instead of the other way around
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vtk on September 09, 2013, 10:39:56 PM
Post by: vtk on September 09, 2013, 10:39:56 PM
Pump-then-pay remained a common option in the Columbus area unntil the recession made people desperate and drive-offs spiked.
I used to pay after pumping before I got a credit card; since then, I find pay at the pump to be more convenient.
There's a chain of gas stations here that pumps the gas for you. I find the rushed human interaction awkward, so I don't go to those gas stations if it's up to me.
I used to pay after pumping before I got a credit card; since then, I find pay at the pump to be more convenient.
There's a chain of gas stations here that pumps the gas for you. I find the rushed human interaction awkward, so I don't go to those gas stations if it's up to me.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Takumi on September 09, 2013, 10:58:39 PM
Post by: Takumi on September 09, 2013, 10:58:39 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:08 PMAlso 1-800-Collect, 10-10-321, and other such collect call services.
remember when AT&T and MCI used to try to win customers over tenths-of-a-cent difference in the per-minute long distance land line rates?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vtk on September 09, 2013, 11:02:13 PM
Post by: vtk on September 09, 2013, 11:02:13 PM
Quote from: Takumi on September 09, 2013, 10:58:39 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:08 PMAlso 1-800-Collect, 10-10-321, and other such collect call services.
remember when AT&T and MCI used to try to win customers over tenths-of-a-cent difference in the per-minute long distance land line rates?
I remember when 10-10-321 was just 10-321.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on September 09, 2013, 11:20:07 PM
Post by: kkt on September 09, 2013, 11:20:07 PM
Quote from: Takumi on September 09, 2013, 10:58:39 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:08 PMAlso 1-800-Collect, 10-10-321, and other such collect call services.
remember when AT&T and MCI used to try to win customers over tenths-of-a-cent difference in the per-minute long distance land line rates?
When there were no 800 numbers, but there were Enterprise numbers.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: WichitaRoads on September 10, 2013, 12:21:42 AM
Post by: WichitaRoads on September 10, 2013, 12:21:42 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:08 PM
remember when AT&T and MCI used to try to win customers over tenths-of-a-cent difference in the per-minute long distance land line rates?
Yes, especially when I worked for MCI for about two months... went back to school because of it!
ICTRds
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: ZLoth on September 10, 2013, 02:27:34 AM
Post by: ZLoth on September 10, 2013, 02:27:34 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on September 09, 2013, 07:54:08 PMI'm sure they exist, but just a lot harder to find. I know that some of the stations which HAD service bays converted them to convenience stores.Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PMThere are still quite a few stations in the Southwest (California & Arizona to name a couple) which are full-fledged service stations.
- Gas stations had service bays instead of convenience stores.
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2013, 09:51:06 PMI remember reading news stories where the price of gas was so high, the gearing got really complicated for the proper price.Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 12:33:50 PMI've seen them in the west - and filled up at one this very year (NWT).Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 09:25:41 AMI remember the old dials instead of the display that we all got to know!I think you can still find them here and there in the US. the last time I saw one in use was in western Nebraska in 2010. a little independently-owned station.
you can definitely find them all over Argentina.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on September 10, 2013, 05:49:24 AM
Post by: roadman65 on September 10, 2013, 05:49:24 AM
I remember once upon a time when you ever got lost on a road, employees of any kind of business were able to give you directions and actually assist you. Now, many people do not even know the name of the street that is in front of them and even the name of the businesses around them. I had a guy in Miami who was the clerk of a convenience store who did not know where the Hampton Inn was that was visible from the spot he was standing (the hotel was a few doors down and his counter faced the door that looked out toward the hotel's main sign) and his gas station/ CC was near Miami Airport where many tourists stop to gas up at his place.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 10, 2013, 08:46:29 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 10, 2013, 08:46:29 AM
Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PMGeneralFor a brief period, I had an I *heart* Arco Prices bumper sticker that coincided w/those ads. on my first car.
- When Arco made a big deal about doing away with their gas card
Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PMThose were called Shell Answer Books IIRC. Remember the TV ads. for them that shows a car going through a banner displaying the current Answer Books at the closing and the announcer would say, "Come to Shell for Answers."
- Shell stations handing out little yellow "tips" books that was also reprinted in Reader's Digest
I still have a couple of those old Shell Answer Book (more like leaflets) in my mother's attic.
Set the Wayback Machine to 1978 for this ad.
Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PMTo add, service stations were actually service stations.
- Gas stations had service bays instead of convenience stores
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on September 10, 2013, 11:48:00 AM
Post by: mgk920 on September 10, 2013, 11:48:00 AM
Quote from: kkt on September 09, 2013, 11:20:07 PMQuote from: Takumi on September 09, 2013, 10:58:39 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:08 PMAlso 1-800-Collect, 10-10-321, and other such collect call services.
remember when AT&T and MCI used to try to win customers over tenths-of-a-cent difference in the per-minute long distance land line rates?
When there were no 800 numbers, but there were Enterprise numbers.
When all North American ('World Zone 1') telephone area codes had only '0' or '1' as their second digit.
:-o
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on September 10, 2013, 12:11:16 PM
Post by: roadman65 on September 10, 2013, 12:11:16 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 10, 2013, 11:48:00 AMHow about when all of NYC was 212 in area code, and many states had only one or two. Heck I remember when Orlando and Key West both were in the same area code in Florida, and Jacksonville, Pensacola, and the entire I-10 corridor was 904.Quote from: kkt on September 09, 2013, 11:20:07 PMQuote from: Takumi on September 09, 2013, 10:58:39 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:08 PMAlso 1-800-Collect, 10-10-321, and other such collect call services.
remember when AT&T and MCI used to try to win customers over tenths-of-a-cent difference in the per-minute long distance land line rates?
When there were no 800 numbers, but there were Enterprise numbers.
When all North American ('World Zone 1') telephone area codes had only '0' or '1' as their second digit.
:-o
Mike
Plus, you were able to dial only 7 digits in all places for intra area code calls. I imagine that some still let you do that, but here in Florida you must dial the area code even if you are in the same code.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 10, 2013, 12:17:04 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 10, 2013, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 10, 2013, 12:11:16 PMPlus, you were able to dial only 7 digits in all places for intra area code calls. I imagine that some still let you do that, but here in Florida you must dial the area code even if you are in the same code.That's likely because there's another area code that overlays the same area as your area code.
Similar happened in southeastern PA when 267/484 was overlayed on 215/610 circa 1999 and will happen when the new 272 code, which will overlay the current 570 code (in northeastern PA), takes effect this Sept. 21.
http://support.verizonwireless.com/support/faqs/WirelessIssues/area-code-overlay-570.html (http://support.verizonwireless.com/support/faqs/WirelessIssues/area-code-overlay-570.html)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on September 10, 2013, 12:23:40 PM
Post by: roadman65 on September 10, 2013, 12:23:40 PM
We have both 321 and 407, but still you should be able to call one 407 to another and from on 321 to another.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: myosh_tino on September 10, 2013, 12:23:48 PM
Post by: myosh_tino on September 10, 2013, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
* Traveling down i-680 in Concord meant you got a view of the Navy Ghost Fleet
The Mothball fleet wasn't visible in Concord. You had to be on or north of the Benicia bridge on I-680. And yes, the fleet is still there.
Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
* The Benicia-Martinez Bridge was a single narrow bridge that was next to a railroad track
* Was this also the same bridge that you saw a big C&H Sugar sign when you went Northbound?
No. The C&H Sugar plant is located in Crockett next to the Carquinez Bridge on I-80.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on September 10, 2013, 12:26:56 PM
Post by: mgk920 on September 10, 2013, 12:26:56 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 10, 2013, 12:11:16 PMQuote from: mgk920 on September 10, 2013, 11:48:00 AMHow about when all of NYC was 212 in area code, and many states had only one or two. Heck I remember when Orlando and Key West both were in the same area code in Florida, and Jacksonville, Pensacola, and the entire I-10 corridor was 904.Quote from: kkt on September 09, 2013, 11:20:07 PMQuote from: Takumi on September 09, 2013, 10:58:39 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:08 PMAlso 1-800-Collect, 10-10-321, and other such collect call services.
remember when AT&T and MCI used to try to win customers over tenths-of-a-cent difference in the per-minute long distance land line rates?
When there were no 800 numbers, but there were Enterprise numbers.
When all North American ('World Zone 1') telephone area codes had only '0' or '1' as their second digit.
:-o
Mike
Plus, you were able to dial only 7 digits in all places for intra area code calls. I imagine that some still let you do that, but here in Florida you must dial the area code even if you are in the same code.
Ditto all of NE Illinois was once 312 (until 1989) and also until about then, most of the Los Angeles County part of the Los Angeles metro area was 213.
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on September 10, 2013, 12:50:25 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 10, 2013, 12:50:25 PM
I'm pretty sure we've had the area code discussion somewhere before and that it got split off. Either way, when I was a kid, you didn't have to dial the area code for calls within the DC metro area even if you were calling across area code lines, as long as it was a local call. For example, my father's work number downtown had a 202 number, but from our house in Virginia (703) you just had to dial the seven digits, not the area code. Same was true if he wanted to call home from the office. This didn't apply if you were making a long-distance call, although I was never really clear on where the line was and so I'd just dial seven digits and see if I'd get the error message from the phone company. I recall Baltimore being long-distance; I think Leesburg was as well, but I don't really recall.
That particular calling arrangement ended well before the advent of ten-digit dialing for all local calls, but the reason was related. The reason we were able to use seven-digit dialing to other area codes was nonduplication of numbers. If your number was 703-867-5309, for example, there would be no 867-5309 in either 202 or 301 (the other two local area codes, for DC and Maryland respectively). This put an artificial cap on how many phone numbers were available in each area code, and as businesses started having more and more fax machines and additional phone lines, it meant we would have run out of numbers. So they changed it sometime in the 1980s to require you to dial the area code for such calls, although for "within same area code" local calls we still dialed seven digits.
That came to an end sometime in the 1990s or early 2000s because of overlay area codes. Previously when an area code was running out of numbers, the solution was to split it into different codes for different geographic areas. Our 703 area code was split into 703 (Northern Virginia) and 540 (much bigger area) sometime in the 1990s. But when the rise of the mobile phone meant 703 was running out of numbers, it was decided that splitting the area code again was impractical because it was way too small an area. So they created 571 for precisely the same geographic area. But that then meant that if they didn't require dialing the area code for all calls, they'd be back to where we were before when we could call DC without dialing 202 (in other words, unless you have to dial ten digits, having a 703-867-5309 prevents having a 571-867-5309). So they made us dial the area code for every call.
Side trivia: When I started college at the University of Virginia in 1991, the phone company there (Centel) required you to dial 1 plus the seven-digit number for long-distance calls within the same area code, and if you dialed the area code the call didn't go through. So to call my brother after he started school at William & Mary in Willamsburg two years later, I'd have to dial 1-867-5309 (if that had been his number), not 804-867-5309. It was odd. That dialing standard met its demise due to the new-style area codes that appeared in the mid-1990s. Prior to then, ALL area codes had a middle digit of either "0" or "1" and NO local exchanges had those as middle digits (this was also changed at the same time). Once you introduced codes such as "540," there was the potential for the system to confuse the area code with a local exchange. (867 is now an area code for the Yukon, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut.) This is related to the reason why, starting in the mid- to late 1980s and the early 1990s, phone companies began to require that you dial "1" for long-distance calls–imposing this requirement allowed implementation of local exchanges that were the same as area codes. (I remember in 1999—2000 when I worked in downtown DC, my phone number was on exchange 310. I got multiple calls from people who were trying to call Los Angeles but who failed to dial a "1" first.)
The reason some of the area codes are what they are dates back to rotary phones. "212" was assigned to New York (the biggest market in the country) because it's the shortest area code to dial on a rotary phone, both in terms of number of "clicks" as the thing rotates and in terms of finger motion to turn the dial. Same applies to "312" for Chicago and "213" for Los Angeles. Less-populated areas got "harder-to-dial" area codes. Originally a "0" denoted that the area code covered an entire state or territory and a "1" denoted that a state or territory had multiple area codes.
That particular calling arrangement ended well before the advent of ten-digit dialing for all local calls, but the reason was related. The reason we were able to use seven-digit dialing to other area codes was nonduplication of numbers. If your number was 703-867-5309, for example, there would be no 867-5309 in either 202 or 301 (the other two local area codes, for DC and Maryland respectively). This put an artificial cap on how many phone numbers were available in each area code, and as businesses started having more and more fax machines and additional phone lines, it meant we would have run out of numbers. So they changed it sometime in the 1980s to require you to dial the area code for such calls, although for "within same area code" local calls we still dialed seven digits.
That came to an end sometime in the 1990s or early 2000s because of overlay area codes. Previously when an area code was running out of numbers, the solution was to split it into different codes for different geographic areas. Our 703 area code was split into 703 (Northern Virginia) and 540 (much bigger area) sometime in the 1990s. But when the rise of the mobile phone meant 703 was running out of numbers, it was decided that splitting the area code again was impractical because it was way too small an area. So they created 571 for precisely the same geographic area. But that then meant that if they didn't require dialing the area code for all calls, they'd be back to where we were before when we could call DC without dialing 202 (in other words, unless you have to dial ten digits, having a 703-867-5309 prevents having a 571-867-5309). So they made us dial the area code for every call.
Side trivia: When I started college at the University of Virginia in 1991, the phone company there (Centel) required you to dial 1 plus the seven-digit number for long-distance calls within the same area code, and if you dialed the area code the call didn't go through. So to call my brother after he started school at William & Mary in Willamsburg two years later, I'd have to dial 1-867-5309 (if that had been his number), not 804-867-5309. It was odd. That dialing standard met its demise due to the new-style area codes that appeared in the mid-1990s. Prior to then, ALL area codes had a middle digit of either "0" or "1" and NO local exchanges had those as middle digits (this was also changed at the same time). Once you introduced codes such as "540," there was the potential for the system to confuse the area code with a local exchange. (867 is now an area code for the Yukon, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut.) This is related to the reason why, starting in the mid- to late 1980s and the early 1990s, phone companies began to require that you dial "1" for long-distance calls–imposing this requirement allowed implementation of local exchanges that were the same as area codes. (I remember in 1999—2000 when I worked in downtown DC, my phone number was on exchange 310. I got multiple calls from people who were trying to call Los Angeles but who failed to dial a "1" first.)
The reason some of the area codes are what they are dates back to rotary phones. "212" was assigned to New York (the biggest market in the country) because it's the shortest area code to dial on a rotary phone, both in terms of number of "clicks" as the thing rotates and in terms of finger motion to turn the dial. Same applies to "312" for Chicago and "213" for Los Angeles. Less-populated areas got "harder-to-dial" area codes. Originally a "0" denoted that the area code covered an entire state or territory and a "1" denoted that a state or territory had multiple area codes.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 10, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 10, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
Quote from: theline on September 09, 2013, 10:10:39 PMWe definitely still have "pump, then pay" available many places. I guess we're a trusting group here. I always pay with a card, but some pumps indicate that you can pay afterward.speaking of that sort of thing, the following is starting to get to the "you are too old..." phase: does anyone remember, until the mid-2000s or so, the gas pumps which had a sticker that said "we prosecute pump-and-run violators!", accompanied by a photo of the meanest-looking state police officer they could find a picture of.
those stickers on the gas pumps are getting more and more rare. maybe I haven't recently been to states that used them a lot (Tennessee comes to mind) but I don't think I've seen one in about 3 years.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on September 10, 2013, 01:11:50 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 10, 2013, 01:11:50 PM
I've seen those stickers fairly recently in Virginia, though I don't recall their exact wording. They also had a picture of a Virginia driver's license because the threat was that you could have your license suspended for that violation. The gas station I usually patronize has red stickers reading something like, "Due to an increase in drive-offs, PLEASE PAY FIRST" (the admonition is longer than that, but I never really pay attention to it because I pay at the pump with a card anyway).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vtk on September 10, 2013, 01:35:35 PM
Post by: vtk on September 10, 2013, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 10, 2013, 12:55:49 PMQuote from: theline on September 09, 2013, 10:10:39 PMWe definitely still have "pump, then pay" available many places. I guess we're a trusting group here. I always pay with a card, but some pumps indicate that you can pay afterward.speaking of that sort of thing, the following is starting to get to the "you are too old..." phase: does anyone remember, until the mid-2000s or so, the gas pumps which had a sticker that said "we prosecute pump-and-run violators!", accompanied by a photo of the meanest-looking state police officer they could find a picture of.
Still quite common in Ohio, though many of them are fading a little.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hbelkins on September 10, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: hbelkins on September 10, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
Those stickers are all over Kentucky, too.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: route56 on September 10, 2013, 02:24:43 PM
Post by: route56 on September 10, 2013, 02:24:43 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on September 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PMThere's at least one station that still uses mechanical pumps, the Midland Farm Store at Midland junction north of Lawrence.
- Gas stations had dial pumps instead of electronic pumps, and you could first pump and then pay instead of the other way around
There's also at least one station that still let's you post-pay... a BreakTime/MFA station in Higginsville, Mo. It is also one of the few stations that does not have a pay at pump option.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on September 10, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 10, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
The last time I saw a mechanical pump that worked was in July 2007 in Louisbourg, Nova Scotia. The station, which was the only one in the area, sold only 87-octane fuel, so I splashed in $10 worth so as to get me to Sydney the following afternoon, as I figured I'd find 93-octane there (and I did).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 10, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 10, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
Speaking of stickers, you are too old if you remember....
Twice a year auto inspections in MA conducted March 1 - April 15 and September 1 - October 15. Garages and service stations would be jammed every April & October 15th with last-minute motorists renewing their stickers. The twice-a-year at the same time was dropped for the current annual inspection in 1983.
When MA used to place two stickers on the windshield: the inspection sticker on the lower passenger's side (which remains to this day) and the number plate validation sticker placed just below the rearview mirror. 1969 was the final year for such.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bufs-plates.com%2Fplates%2Fma-sticker-69.jpg&hash=6e64338f4b96e9787565df8217ebcfe57e7ec04a)
As a kid, I remember seeing older cars with either this blue sticker remaining or traces of it below the rearview mirrors.
Or the old-style inspection Rejection stickers aka the baseball; used until 1983.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bufs-plates.com%2Fwindshield%2Fma-rejected.jpg&hash=204e5dd37d6576cd9d48ae30b876babdbe4ae563)
Twice a year auto inspections in MA conducted March 1 - April 15 and September 1 - October 15. Garages and service stations would be jammed every April & October 15th with last-minute motorists renewing their stickers. The twice-a-year at the same time was dropped for the current annual inspection in 1983.
When MA used to place two stickers on the windshield: the inspection sticker on the lower passenger's side (which remains to this day) and the number plate validation sticker placed just below the rearview mirror. 1969 was the final year for such.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bufs-plates.com%2Fplates%2Fma-sticker-69.jpg&hash=6e64338f4b96e9787565df8217ebcfe57e7ec04a)
As a kid, I remember seeing older cars with either this blue sticker remaining or traces of it below the rearview mirrors.
Or the old-style inspection Rejection stickers aka the baseball; used until 1983.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bufs-plates.com%2Fwindshield%2Fma-rejected.jpg&hash=204e5dd37d6576cd9d48ae30b876babdbe4ae563)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on September 10, 2013, 04:18:10 PM
Post by: roadman on September 10, 2013, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 07:49:50 PMQuote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 07:22:26 PM
I remember when the news aired at 6 o clock and not 5, and the national news (Cronkite, Chancellor, or Harry Reasoner (used to be on ABC) aired at 7 PM.
this change must be sufficiently late because I had no idea the news is on at 5.
I remember the 11 o'clock news being moved forward to 10 o'clock in more and more places, starting in the late 90s or so.
Growing up in the 70s, the local news came on at 6 and the national news came on at 6:30. And it was very rare for a national story to be covered on the local broadcast, unless it happened in the broadcast area of the local station.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on September 10, 2013, 04:32:36 PM
Post by: roadman on September 10, 2013, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 10, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
Speaking of stickers, you are too old if you remember....
Twice a year auto inspections in MA conducted March 1 - April 15 and September 1 - October 15. Garages and service stations would be jammed every April & October 15th with last-minute motorists renewing their stickers. The twice-a-year at the same time was dropped for the current annual inspection in 1983.
When MA used to place two stickers on the windshield: the inspection sticker on the lower passenger's side (which remains to this day) and the number plate validation sticker placed just below the rearview mirror. 1969 was the final year for such.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bufs-plates.com%2Fplates%2Fma-sticker-69.jpg&hash=6e64338f4b96e9787565df8217ebcfe57e7ec04a)
As a kid, I remember seeing older cars with either this blue sticker remaining or traces of it below the rearview mirrors.
I remember twice a year Mass inspections very well. Starting at the age of twelve, my job was to "pre-flight" my parent's two cars before they went in for inspection. Got a bit of experience over the years in changing turn signal bulbs and the like. When I got my driver's license at age sixteen and a half, my job expanded to both "pre-flighting" and taking both my parent's cars in for the semi-annual inspections.
To this day, I do the following to prepare for an inspection:
"Pre flight" the car (test all lights, wipers, parking brake, etc.). Sounds like plain common sense, but you'd be surprised how many people don't bother to do this.
Wash the car and clean out the interior (no bottles, gum wrappers, etc.). Presentation does make a difference.
If possible, drive the car for at least 20 to 30 miles on the highway beforehand. Less important in states like Massachusetts that have eliminated the "tailpipe probe" test, but still a good preventative measure.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 10, 2013, 04:39:49 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 10, 2013, 04:39:49 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 10, 2013, 04:32:36 PMTo this day, I do the following to prepare for an inspection:I do the same with my vehicles as well; both back then when I lived in MA and today for the PA inspections.
"Pre flight" the car (test all lights, wipers, parking brake, etc.). Sounds like plain common sense, but you'd be surprised how many people don't bother to do this.
Quote from: roadman on September 10, 2013, 04:32:36 PMIf possible, drive the car for at least 20 to 30 miles on the highway beforehand. Less important in states like Massachusetts that have eliminated the "tailpipe probe" test, but still a good preventative measure.In parts of PA where the emission tests are conducted (it's not 100% statewide); cars from '77(?) through '96 are still subject ot the tail-pipe treadmill test. '97 and later, the highway cleanout that you described is no longer needed.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on September 10, 2013, 04:45:07 PM
Post by: roadman on September 10, 2013, 04:45:07 PM
@PHILBOS As you may recall, the MA tailpipe test was not a treadmill test, they just stuck a probe into the tailpipe while the engine was idling. As for highway cleanout, I agree it's not necessary for cars newer than 96. Guess I'm just a creature of habit. Plus, my favorite inspection place (the owner is a fellow Ham operator) is most easily accessed by getting up onto I-95 (128) for a short leg. Any excuse to run on the highway a bit, and - until recently - check out progress of sign work, is a good one in my book.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on September 10, 2013, 04:49:20 PM
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on September 10, 2013, 04:49:20 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 07:49:50 PMNetwork programming is one hour earlier in the Central AND the forgotten Mountain Time Zone. Thus local news on network stations is at 10:00. It's typically 9:00 on local Fox affiliates.Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 07:22:26 PM
I remember when the news aired at 6 o clock and not 5, and the national news (Cronkite, Chancellor, or Harry Reasoner (used to be on ABC) aired at 7 PM.
this change must be sufficiently late because I had no idea the news is on at 5.
I remember the 11 o'clock news being moved forward to 10 o'clock in more and more places, starting in the late 90s or so.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 10, 2013, 12:55:49 PMUsed in Montana. I saw them at multiple locations last month. The Montana signs indicated you will have your drivers license suspended for pump and run.Quote from: theline on September 09, 2013, 10:10:39 PMWe definitely still have "pump, then pay" available many places. I guess we're a trusting group here. I always pay with a card, but some pumps indicate that you can pay afterward.speaking of that sort of thing, the following is starting to get to the "you are too old..." phase: does anyone remember, until the mid-2000s or so, the gas pumps which had a sticker that said "we prosecute pump-and-run violators!", accompanied by a photo of the meanest-looking state police officer they could find a picture of.
those stickers on the gas pumps are getting more and more rare. maybe I haven't recently been to states that used them a lot (Tennessee comes to mind) but I don't think I've seen one in about 3 years.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 10, 2013, 04:56:21 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 10, 2013, 04:56:21 PM
speaking of Massachusetts stickers... I remember the publicly-owned vehicles (light blue plates with white text) apparently stopped needing registration renewal in 1975, because well into the 1990s there were old trucks with 1975 stickers on the plates; nothing older, nothing newer. these vanished slowly as the vehicles were aged out of service.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on September 10, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
Post by: kkt on September 10, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 10, 2013, 12:11:16 PMQuote from: mgk920 on September 10, 2013, 11:48:00 AMHow about when all of NYC was 212 in area code, and many states had only one or two. Heck I remember when Orlando and Key West both were in the same area code in Florida, and Jacksonville, Pensacola, and the entire I-10 corridor was 904.Quote from: kkt on September 09, 2013, 11:20:07 PMQuote from: Takumi on September 09, 2013, 10:58:39 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:08 PMAlso 1-800-Collect, 10-10-321, and other such collect call services.
remember when AT&T and MCI used to try to win customers over tenths-of-a-cent difference in the per-minute long distance land line rates?
When there were no 800 numbers, but there were Enterprise numbers.
When all North American ('World Zone 1') telephone area codes had only '0' or '1' as their second digit.
:-o
Mike
Plus, you were able to dial only 7 digits in all places for intra area code calls. I imagine that some still let you do that, but here in Florida you must dial the area code even if you are in the same code.
When I moved to Washington, everyplace west of the Cascades was 206 and everything east of the Cascades was 509.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on September 10, 2013, 09:15:12 PM
Post by: thenetwork on September 10, 2013, 09:15:12 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 10, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
Speaking of stickers, you are too old if you remember....
Twice a year auto inspections in MA conducted March 1 - April 15 and September 1 - October 15. Garages and service stations would be jammed every April & October 15th with last-minute motorists renewing their stickers. The twice-a-year at the same time was dropped for the current annual inspection in 1983.
When MA used to place two stickers on the windshield: the inspection sticker on the lower passenger's side (which remains to this day) and the number plate validation sticker placed just below the rearview mirror. 1969 was the final year for such.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bufs-plates.com%2Fplates%2Fma-sticker-69.jpg&hash=6e64338f4b96e9787565df8217ebcfe57e7ec04a)
Back in the day in Ohio, when the State Highway Patrol wasn't so busy with catching drug transporters, or looking for cellphone users or non-seatbelt users, they would set up roadside safety checks and you'd either pass or fail. If you passed, you got a sticker you had to place inside of your front windshield which let you be exempt until the next colored sticker came out. If you failed, you had to go down to your local Highway Patrol post within a week or so to show the problem was resolved.
When I was little, nearly every car outside of high-populated areas had at least one, by the late 80's they were getting rarer & rarer to find -- just like the older pre-1980s vehicles that seemed to collect the most stickers.
Here is a sample: (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Finspectionsticker.net%2Fimages%2FOH%25201985.jpg&hash=549ae0074d12890c2315d00fe40187ab083b80fc)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hbelkins on September 10, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
Post by: hbelkins on September 10, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
I think we need a "You're too young if you don't remember..." thread.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Mapmikey on September 11, 2013, 06:21:29 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on September 11, 2013, 06:21:29 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 10, 2013, 01:11:50 PM
I've seen those stickers fairly recently in Virginia, though I don't recall their exact wording. They also had a picture of a Virginia driver's license because the threat was that you could have your license suspended for that violation. The gas station I usually patronize has red stickers reading something like, "Due to an increase in drive-offs, PLEASE PAY FIRST" (the admonition is longer than that, but I never really pay attention to it because I pay at the pump with a card anyway).
North Carolina still uses these stickers extensively. I thought it was neat that in the background behind the picture they have of a stern-looking state cop, they had an early 1960s Rand McN map of central NC.
Then this summer I saw one in Laurinburg that had a 1923 NC Official Map as the background (this is the earliest state official I know of with the highway numbers shown)...
Mapmikey
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 08:49:03 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 08:49:03 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on September 10, 2013, 09:15:12 PMBack in the day in Ohio, when the State Highway Patrol wasn't so busy with catching drug transporters, or looking for cellphone users or non-seatbelt users, they would set up roadside safety checks and you'd either pass or fail. If you passed, you got a sticker you had to place inside of your front windshield which let you be exempt until the next colored sticker came out. If you failed, you had to go down to your local Highway Patrol post within a week or so to show the problem was resolved.Affter I moved out of MA, my brother told me about some random inspection checkpoints set-up by the then-Registry of Motor Vehicles Police (aka Registry cops which was later consolidated into the State Police). They would conduct an on-the-spot safety inspection and your car failed; they would scrape off your current sticker (even if it was a new one) and place a REJECTION sticker on it.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 10, 2013, 10:36:04 PMJust copy this thread and use the above-title. :sombrero:
I think we need a "You're too young if you don't remember..." thread.
Quote from: roadman on September 10, 2013, 04:45:07 PMTo clarify, I was referring to the PA tests. For PA (in certain counties), the tailpipe probes were conducted on gasoline-powered cars from 1975 through 1996. The treadmill test was done on gasoline-powered cars from 1977 through 1996. I know this because the '76 LTD I owned from 1993-2010 only received the tail-pipe probe for the emissions test. The first few years of my owning my current '97 Crown Vic; it underwent the treadmill test until the new system was set-up & established in PA.
@PHILBOS As you may recall, the MA tailpipe test was not a treadmill test, they just stuck a probe into the tailpipe while the engine was idling.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: elsmere241 on September 11, 2013, 10:01:14 AM
Post by: elsmere241 on September 11, 2013, 10:01:14 AM
Quote from: kkt on September 10, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
When I moved to Washington, everyplace west of the Cascades was 206 and everything east of the Cascades was 509.
Everything east of the Cascades (more or less) is still 509.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 10:27:58 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 10:27:58 AM
When MassDPW used to sign towns like North Reading or South Attleboro as NO. READING and SO. ATTLEBORO; today, the single letter initial for North (N.) & South (S.) are used.
When I first saw NO. READING on a sign (might've been a state bookleaf type at the town border) as a young kid; my initial thought was, "Why would there be a town called (intentional phonetic pronounciation & spelling here) NO REEDING? Don't they like books?[/i]".
Similarly, on a Monopoly board; I originally pronounced the Reading Railroad property as the Reeding Railroad.
When I first saw NO. READING on a sign (might've been a state bookleaf type at the town border) as a young kid; my initial thought was, "Why would there be a town called (intentional phonetic pronounciation & spelling here) NO REEDING? Don't they like books?[/i]".
Similarly, on a Monopoly board; I originally pronounced the Reading Railroad property as the Reeding Railroad.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: SidS1045 on September 11, 2013, 10:46:44 AM
Post by: SidS1045 on September 11, 2013, 10:46:44 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 08:49:03 AM
After I moved out of MA, my brother told me about some random inspection checkpoints set-up by the then-Registry of Motor Vehicles Police (aka Registry cops which was later consolidated into the State Police). They would conduct an on-the-spot safety inspection and your car failed; they would scrape off your current sticker (even if it was a new one) and place a REJECTION sticker on it.
If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that was done because of the widespread reports of licensed inspection stations not actually doing inspections, but taking some amount of cash under the table to slap a sticker on. "Need a sticka? No problem - I know a guy who can getcha one."
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Post by: SidS1045 on September 11, 2013, 10:47:55 AM
Post by: SidS1045 on September 11, 2013, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 10:27:58 AM
When I first saw NO. READING on a sign (might've been a state bookleaf type at the town border) as a young kid; my initial thought was, "Why would there be a town called (intentional phonetic pronounciation & spelling here) NO REEDING? Don't they like books?[/i]".
One of my dad's favorite jokes: "OK, we're entering 'No Reading'...put the books away..."
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Post by: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 10:55:45 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 10:27:58 AM
When MassDPW used to sign towns like North Reading or South Attleboro as NO. READING and SO. ATTLEBORO; today, the single letter initial for North (N.) & South (S.) are used.
When I first saw NO. READING on a sign (might've been a state bookleaf type at the town border) as a young kid; my initial thought was, "Why would there be a town called (intentional phonetic pronounciation & spelling here) NO REEDING? Don't they like books?[/i]".
Similarly, on a Monopoly board; I originally pronounced the Reading Railroad property as the Reeding Railroad.
I originally said "Reading Railroad" too. I sounded out the word, just like we were taught to do in school.
My grandfather* always read the highway signs out loud exactly as they looked in order to make us laugh when we were kids, although he had something of a motivation in terms of making us remember that the word "island" contains an "s." So, for example, on the Belt Parkway we'd pass a sign for "Ocean Pickway," "Coney Is [pronounced like the word 'Is'] Av [pronounced like a Cockney 'have' where the 'h' is silent]," and "Shell Rid." My brother, my cousin James, and I quickly picked up on this and for several years on trips from Bay Ridge to Breezy Point, or vice-versa, we always yelled out all the road signs in that manner. I'm sure my parents and my aunt wanted to smack us silly.
*I only knew one grandfather growing up because my father's father died long before I was born.
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 12:51:21 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 12:51:21 PM
Quote from: SidS1045 on September 11, 2013, 10:46:44 AMIf I had to venture a guess, I'd say that was done because of the widespread reports of licensed inspection stations not actually doing inspections, but taking some amount of cash under the table to slap a sticker on. "Need a sticka? No problem - I know a guy who can getcha one."No doubt, that was likely the reasoning.
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Post by: vtk on September 11, 2013, 01:39:47 PM
Post by: vtk on September 11, 2013, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 10:55:45 AMQuote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 10:27:58 AM
When MassDPW used to sign towns like North Reading or South Attleboro as NO. READING and SO. ATTLEBORO; today, the single letter initial for North (N.) & South (S.) are used.
When I first saw NO. READING on a sign (might've been a state bookleaf type at the town border) as a young kid; my initial thought was, "Why would there be a town called (intentional phonetic pronounciation & spelling here) NO REEDING? Don't they like books?[/i]".
Similarly, on a Monopoly board; I originally pronounced the Reading Railroad property as the Reeding Railroad.
I originally said "Reading Railroad" too. I sounded out the word, just like we were taught to do in school.
So how's it supposed to be pronounced? Like Redding?
Growing up in Ohio and having seen Reading Rainbow on TV, it would never cross my mind that Reading Railroad should be pronounced without an ee sound.
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Post by: roadman on September 11, 2013, 02:47:56 PM
Post by: roadman on September 11, 2013, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 10:27:58 AM
When MassDPW used to sign towns like North Reading or South Attleboro as NO. READING and SO. ATTLEBORO; today, the single letter initial for North (N.) & South (S.) are used.
When I first saw NO. READING on a sign (might've been a state bookleaf type at the town border) as a young kid; my initial thought was, "Why would there be a town called (intentional phonetic pronounciation & spelling here) NO REEDING? Don't they like books?[/i]".
Similarly, on a Monopoly board; I originally pronounced the Reading Railroad property as the Reeding Railroad.
Reminds me of the signs that used to be on the Cross Westchester Expressway. Just after the MUTCD started advocating for the removal of periods from common abbreviations on signs (it was initially (no pun intended) a "should not" condition instead of a "shall not" one), NYSDOT installed new signs that read "White Plains No White Plains".
Apparently they didn't bother to note the part in the MUTCD about "N E S W" being the only acceptable abbreviations for cardinal directions.
And, FWIW, despite what the MUTCD states, MassDOT policy is to still use a period after the N, S, E, or W abbreviations. However, they've dropped the period from all other abbreviations on signs.
As for Monopoly, when I was in grade school, my strategy was to buy up every railroad I landed on. Not because that was really good for your earnings (which I didn't figure out until a few years later), but because I've always liked railroads.
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: vtk on September 11, 2013, 01:39:47 PMSo how's it supposed to be pronounced? Like Redding?For the railroad and the towns (PA has a Reading as well), yes.
OTOH, reading a book or computer screen is pronounced with the -ee sound.
Quote from: roadman on September 11, 2013, 02:47:56 PMReminds me of the signs that used to be on the Cross Westchester Expressway. Just after the MUTCD started advocating for the removal of periods from common abbreviations on signs (it was initially (no pun intended) a "should not" condition instead of a "shall not" one), NYSDOT installed new signs that read "White Plains No White Plains".Sounds like an Alanland application. :sombrero:
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Post by: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
Quote from: vtk on September 11, 2013, 01:39:47 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 10:55:45 AMQuote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 10:27:58 AM
When MassDPW used to sign towns like North Reading or South Attleboro as NO. READING and SO. ATTLEBORO; today, the single letter initial for North (N.) & South (S.) are used.
When I first saw NO. READING on a sign (might've been a state bookleaf type at the town border) as a young kid; my initial thought was, "Why would there be a town called (intentional phonetic pronounciation & spelling here) NO REEDING? Don't they like books?[/i]".
Similarly, on a Monopoly board; I originally pronounced the Reading Railroad property as the Reeding Railroad.
I originally said "Reading Railroad" too. I sounded out the word, just like we were taught to do in school.
So how's it supposed to be pronounced? Like Redding?
Growing up in Ohio and having seen Reading Rainbow on TV, it would never cross my mind that Reading Railroad should be pronounced without an ee sound.
Yes, "Redding," like the town in England that is home to the soccer club who have been bouncing back and forth between the Premier League and the Championship in recent years. Presumably said town in England is the source of the name of the town in Pennsylvania and the railroad.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
Yes, "Redding," like the town in England that is home to the soccer club who have been bouncing back and forth between the Premier League and the Championship in recent years. Presumably said town in England is the source of the name of the town in Pennsylvania and the railroad.
there is a Redding, CA as well.
between "premier" and "championship", I cannot tell which one is higher. similar to "championship" and "bowl" in American football. even 1-A and 1-AA was moderately ambiguous. whatever happened to 1, 2, 3, ...
oh right, people don't like being told they're number two. all hail the mediocracy!
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 04:46:51 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 04:46:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 03:51:13 PMLikely for the town in Massachusetts as well.
Yes, "Redding," like the town in England that is home to the soccer club who have been bouncing back and forth between the Premier League and the Championship in recent years. Presumably said town in England is the source of the name of the town in Pennsylvania and the railroad.
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Post by: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 05:04:02 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2013, 04:00:39 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on September 11, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
Yes, "Redding," like the town in England that is home to the soccer club who have been bouncing back and forth between the Premier League and the Championship in recent years. Presumably said town in England is the source of the name of the town in Pennsylvania and the railroad.
there is a Redding, CA as well.
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Connecticut, too (Redding Ridge). If you read My Brother Sam Is Dead when you were a kid you've heard of that one. But we were referring to "Reading," which is pronounced like "Redding."
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Post by: deathtopumpkins on September 14, 2013, 12:24:49 AM
Post by: deathtopumpkins on September 14, 2013, 12:24:49 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2013, 10:27:58 AM
When MassDPW used to sign towns like North Reading or South Attleboro as NO. READING and SO. ATTLEBORO; today, the single letter initial for North (N.) & South (S.) are used.
When I first saw NO. READING on a sign (might've been a state bookleaf type at the town border) as a young kid; my initial thought was, "Why would there be a town called (intentional phonetic pronounciation & spelling here) NO REEDING? Don't they like books?[/i]".
Doesn't MA still use "NO." and "SO." abbreviations?
Everywhere I can think of has them, including a recently-replaced ENTERING sign for "No. Andover" I pass by frequently. That's always been a pet peeve of mine about MA, since IMHO "NO." is less intuitive than "N." as "North", so I would be very glad to see that change, but I honestly cannot think of any examples of "N." on MassDOT signage. I'll need to start keeping a closer eye out for that, because I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 18, 2013, 11:20:02 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 18, 2013, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 14, 2013, 12:24:49 AMDoesn't MA still use "NO." and "SO." abbreviations?You are correct that MassDOT apparently still uses the 2-letter abbreviation for the bookleaf ENTERING SIGNS... at least for North Andover along MA 114; although that replacement may have been a one-off following the old one being either vandalized, stolen or damaged/knocked-down following an accident (and thereby matching older specs.). However, I do recall seeing a bookleaf ENTERING NORTH READING BWS a while ago that utilized narrower letters for the town. Roadman can likely confirm regarding all of the above.
Everywhere I can think of has them, including a recently-replaced ENTERING sign for "No. Andover" I pass by frequently.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on September 14, 2013, 12:24:49 AMI honestly cannot think of any examples of "N." on MassDOT signage. I'll need to start keeping a closer eye out for that, because I'll believe it when I see it.The majority of BGS' along MA highways use the single letter abbreviation for North and South.
BGS assembly along I-495 North approaching MA 114 (S. Lawrence for 114 West, Exit 42B) example:
http://goo.gl/maps/oOFas (http://goo.gl/maps/oOFas)
BGS assembly along I-93 North approaching Exits 40 & 41 (MA 62 & MA 125); this photo predates the replacement BGS' and assembly that sports the same messages sans the pull-through BGS for I-93 North:
http://goo.gl/maps/BIPLK (http://goo.gl/maps/BIPLK)
A newer, LGS example containing N. Andover at the beginning of MA 125, taken from the exit ramp off I-93 North. Note: I'm aware of the LGS for MA 125 off MA 28 containing the older No. Andover listing.
http://goo.gl/maps/PV7X0 (http://goo.gl/maps/PV7X0)
LGS example of N. Reading at the end of the off-ramp from I-93 North to MA 62, on the 62 WEST panel; pardon the blurry StreetView image.
http://goo.gl/maps/tQX0v (http://goo.gl/maps/tQX0v)
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Post by: ZLoth on September 23, 2013, 11:18:27 AM
Post by: ZLoth on September 23, 2013, 11:18:27 AM
A few more non-road stuff....
* Dialing POP-CORN would give you the latest time.
* The best the TV forecaster could do is give you tomorrows weather forecast. Forget computer displays and green screens, this was hard panels.
* The Atari 2600 was the cool console to have
* Having a 2400 baud modem was really cool.
* It was a big deal if a show was in color verses black and white.
* Television stations announced that the show was "In Stereo Where Available"
* Viewing Film Strips (beep) and being the designated projectionist in school because you could operate the room's projector efficiently
* Dialing POP-CORN would give you the latest time.
* The best the TV forecaster could do is give you tomorrows weather forecast. Forget computer displays and green screens, this was hard panels.
* The Atari 2600 was the cool console to have
* Having a 2400 baud modem was really cool.
* It was a big deal if a show was in color verses black and white.
* Television stations announced that the show was "In Stereo Where Available"
* Viewing Film Strips (beep) and being the designated projectionist in school because you could operate the room's projector efficiently
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Post by: elsmere241 on September 23, 2013, 11:31:31 AM
Post by: elsmere241 on September 23, 2013, 11:31:31 AM
Quote from: ZLoth on September 23, 2013, 11:18:27 AM
A few more non-road stuff....
* Viewing Film Strips (beep) and being the designated projectionist in school because you could operate the room's projector efficiently
For a little while there were filmstrip projectors that advanced automatically - and you didn't hear the beep.
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Post by: roadman on September 23, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
Post by: roadman on September 23, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
For several decades, in eastern Massachusetts, to get the time you dialed "NES-TLES".
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Post by: 1995hoo on September 23, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 23, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
In Northern Virginia to get the time you dialed 844 and any four numbers. I think there was a similar service for the weather forecast, but I never used it so I don't remember what the prefix was. The 844- service was only recently eliminated sometime within the past few years.
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Post by: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:35:27 PM
Post by: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:35:27 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on September 23, 2013, 11:18:27 AM
A few more non-road stuff....
* Dialing POP-CORN would give you the latest time.
* The best the TV forecaster could do is give you tomorrows weather forecast. Forget computer displays and green screens, this was hard panels.
* The Atari 2600 was the cool console to have
* Having a 2400 baud modem was really cool.
* It was a big deal if a show was in color verses black and white.
* Television stations announced that the show was "In Stereo Where Available"
* Viewing Film Strips (beep) and being the designated projectionist in school because you could operate the room's projector efficiently
There were TV shows at the beginning announcing "In Color"
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Post by: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
Post by: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune being hosted by someone other than Alex Trebek and Pat Sajak respectively.
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Post by: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
Post by: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
Some sports-related tidbits:
NFL coaches, and not just Tom Landry, wearing a coat and tie on the sideline.
MLB umpires wearing coats and ties; and at that each league having their own umpiring staffs with AL umpires wearing red coats and their NL counterparts wearing blue coats.
AL umpires wearing chest protectors outside their uniforms.
The "technicolor" look of MLB in the 70s and 80s--with teams like the Athletics, Pirates, and Indians leading the way. And to top it off teams like the Phillies, Royals, Expos, Braves, Rangers, Blue Jays, and Cardinals wearing powder blue uniforms on the road.
The Dallas Cowboys wearing blue jerseys at home.
NFL coaches, and not just Tom Landry, wearing a coat and tie on the sideline.
MLB umpires wearing coats and ties; and at that each league having their own umpiring staffs with AL umpires wearing red coats and their NL counterparts wearing blue coats.
AL umpires wearing chest protectors outside their uniforms.
The "technicolor" look of MLB in the 70s and 80s--with teams like the Athletics, Pirates, and Indians leading the way. And to top it off teams like the Phillies, Royals, Expos, Braves, Rangers, Blue Jays, and Cardinals wearing powder blue uniforms on the road.
The Dallas Cowboys wearing blue jerseys at home.
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Post by: mgk920 on September 23, 2013, 01:12:43 PM
Post by: mgk920 on September 23, 2013, 01:12:43 PM
-TVs and radios producing a wonderful warm smell after they were on for a half hour or so - and it took several seconds between turning the sets on before the picture and sound would come up.
-"Regular or ethyl?"
-Classmates bringing their rifles and shotguns to school in their cars during the fall (it was hunting season, after all), happily showing off the game that they bagged before coming in - and everyone else (including teachers and administrators) thinking that it was very interesting and even a bit kewl.
-Dialing a telephone (none of those new-fangled buttons here!) that was hard-wired into the wall at home.
-Paying for lunch with a couple of coins.
-Using the Post Office for most long-distance communications.
-Federal Thunderbolt 1000T sirens sounding tornado warnings, as well as noons every Saturday.
-When the Dallas Cowboys were an elite NFL team.
-Using tokens to pay the fare on buses and subways.
-Seeing a TV antenna on the roof of every house.
-No divisional play in Baseball.
Mike
-"Regular or ethyl?"
-Classmates bringing their rifles and shotguns to school in their cars during the fall (it was hunting season, after all), happily showing off the game that they bagged before coming in - and everyone else (including teachers and administrators) thinking that it was very interesting and even a bit kewl.
-Dialing a telephone (none of those new-fangled buttons here!) that was hard-wired into the wall at home.
-Paying for lunch with a couple of coins.
-Using the Post Office for most long-distance communications.
-Federal Thunderbolt 1000T sirens sounding tornado warnings, as well as noons every Saturday.
-When the Dallas Cowboys were an elite NFL team.
-Using tokens to pay the fare on buses and subways.
-Seeing a TV antenna on the roof of every house.
-No divisional play in Baseball.
Mike
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2013, 01:15:02 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2013, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 23, 2013, 01:12:43 PMkewl.
I am sufficiently old that I remember when this was not actually a word.
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Post by: hbelkins on September 23, 2013, 01:35:37 PM
Post by: hbelkins on September 23, 2013, 01:35:37 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
NFL coaches, and not just Tom Landry, wearing a coat and tie on the sideline.
Heard recently that it's a licensing issue. There was a coach (can't remember who it was) who wanted to wear a coat and tie and requested permission from the league, which refused. They want that officially licensed merchandise showcased so gullible fans can buy a shirt or hat JUST LIKE THE COACH WEARS!!!!!
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Post by: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 01:41:52 PM
Post by: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 01:41:52 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 23, 2013, 01:35:37 PMQuote from: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
NFL coaches, and not just Tom Landry, wearing a coat and tie on the sideline.
Heard recently that it's a licensing issue. There was a coach (can't remember who it was) who wanted to wear a coat and tie and requested permission from the league, which refused. They want that officially licensed merchandise showcased so gullible fans can buy a shirt or hat JUST LIKE THE COACH WEARS!!!!!
I think it was Mike Nolan when he coached the 49ers. Jack Del Rio also dressed to the nines when he coached the Jaguars.
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Post by: bugo on September 23, 2013, 01:43:55 PM
Post by: bugo on September 23, 2013, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2013, 01:15:02 PMQuote from: mgk920 on September 23, 2013, 01:12:43 PMkewl.
I am sufficiently old that I remember when this was not actually a word.
Everyone in this thread is sufficiently old enough that they shouldn't be saying "kewl". It doesn't make you look kewl.
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 23, 2013, 01:49:59 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 23, 2013, 01:49:59 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 23, 2013, 11:35:23 AM...and temperature.
For several decades, in eastern Massachusetts, to get the time you dialed "NES-TLES".
Quote from: mgk920 on September 23, 2013, 01:12:43 PM-Using tokens to pay the fare on buses and subways.That's still done on the SEPTA system throughout Greater Philadelphia.
Here's another (rough paraphrase):
This is a test of the Emegency Broadcast System. This is only a test.
*Long-continuous audable high-pitched signal for roughly two-to-three minutes*
This is a test of the Emegency Broadcast System. The broadcasters in your area have developed this test w/the FCC to alert you of an emergency in your area. If this had been an actual emergency, the attention signal you heard would been followed by federal, state and local information. This concludes this test of the Emergency Broadcast System.
Another TV-related one:
When TV stations would go off the air overnight; the station would usually play the Star-Spangled Banner or Taps beforehand.
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Post by: roadman65 on September 23, 2013, 01:50:36 PM
Post by: roadman65 on September 23, 2013, 01:50:36 PM
This is definetely too old for me to remember, but my dad tells me that he used to drive from Newark, NJ to Union Beach, NJ in twenty minuets! He even told me that this was prior to the Garden State Parkway as well.
For those of you who live in New Jersey, most likely know that even on the GSP you cannot even go from Newark to Keyport (a few miles short of Union Beach) in that said time. Back then it was only US 9 and NJ 35 and traffic must of been super light and absolutely no signals through most of its run outside of Elizabeth, NJ including Laurence Harbor, Cliffwood, Keyport, and Hazlet.
For those of you who live in New Jersey, most likely know that even on the GSP you cannot even go from Newark to Keyport (a few miles short of Union Beach) in that said time. Back then it was only US 9 and NJ 35 and traffic must of been super light and absolutely no signals through most of its run outside of Elizabeth, NJ including Laurence Harbor, Cliffwood, Keyport, and Hazlet.
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Post by: route56 on September 23, 2013, 02:06:15 PM
Post by: route56 on September 23, 2013, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune being hosted bysomeone other than Alex Trebek and Pat SajakArt Fleming and Chuck Woolery, respectively.
FTFY. Those someones do have names, after all. :)
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Post by: DaBigE on September 23, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
Post by: DaBigE on September 23, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 23, 2013, 01:12:43 PM
-Federal Thunderbolt 1000T sirens sounding tornado warnings, as well as noons every Saturday.
We still have quite a few of those still in operation around the Dane County area.
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Post by: Big John on September 23, 2013, 02:16:10 PM
Post by: Big John on September 23, 2013, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: route56 on September 23, 2013, 02:06:15 PMAnd was Susan Stafford turning the letters instead of Vanna WhiteQuote from: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune being hosted bysomeone other than Alex Trebek and Pat SajakArt Fleming and Chuck Woolery, respectively.
FTFY. Those someones do have names, after all. :)
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Post by: sandiaman on September 23, 2013, 06:56:41 PM
Post by: sandiaman on September 23, 2013, 06:56:41 PM
Before ths days of cable and traslators, every metro area had at least three local stations ,one for each of the major networks. This is going back to the mid 50's. Generally, NBC was channel 4, ABC was channel 7 and CBS was either channel 5 or channel 2. PBS was whatever was leftover. And yes, they did exit off the air with some sort of patriotic song. No area could have both a channel 3 and channel 4 .
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2013, 07:22:23 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2013, 07:22:23 PM
Quote from: sandiaman on September 23, 2013, 06:56:41 PMNo area could have both a channel 3 and channel 4 .
why is that? too close in frequency?
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Post by: thenetwork on September 23, 2013, 08:01:40 PM
Post by: thenetwork on September 23, 2013, 08:01:40 PM
...When the prices on vending machines for pop didn't end in a $.25 increment.
...When newspaper prices didn't end in a $.25 increment.
...When the prices of comic books ended in some weird number -- other than .x5, .x9 or .x0.
...When one of the new "futuristic" options of a new house was a whole-house intercom system.
...When A/C, Cruise Control, Intermittent Wipers, and Rear-window defrost, electric windows & electric locks were moreso high-priced options than standard equipment.
...When newspaper prices didn't end in a $.25 increment.
...When the prices of comic books ended in some weird number -- other than .x5, .x9 or .x0.
...When one of the new "futuristic" options of a new house was a whole-house intercom system.
...When A/C, Cruise Control, Intermittent Wipers, and Rear-window defrost, electric windows & electric locks were moreso high-priced options than standard equipment.
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Post by: 1995hoo on September 23, 2013, 10:03:10 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 23, 2013, 10:03:10 PM
"Pop"? :thumbdown:
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Post by: Big John on September 23, 2013, 10:18:44 PM
Post by: Big John on September 23, 2013, 10:18:44 PM
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Post by: theline on September 23, 2013, 11:21:33 PM
Post by: theline on September 23, 2013, 11:21:33 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2013, 07:22:23 PMQuote from: sandiaman on September 23, 2013, 06:56:41 PMNo area could have both a channel 3 and channel 4 .
why is that? too close in frequency?
Exactly. Adjacent channels could bleed over and interfere. The FCC assigned the numbers in each metropolitan area to avoid interference. Some folks in "fringe" areas between cities could still experience problems between, for example, channel 7 in Dayton and 8 in Indianapolis. Using a directional antenna could help alleviate the problem.
The earlier poster was wrong about networks being tied to specific channels in all areas. Though CBS managed to get channel 2 in many major cities, assignments varied. Where I grew up, channel 6 was NBC, 8 was CBS, and 13 was ABC. Smaller markets didn't get VHF (2-13) channels assigned at all, and had to settle for UHF (14-83), which had less range and required more power, IIRC.
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Post by: bugo on September 24, 2013, 05:45:19 AM
Post by: bugo on September 24, 2013, 05:45:19 AM
I remember when candy bars were 26¢. 25¢ for the candy bar and 1¢ tax. This wasn't that long ago, it was the early '80s.
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Post by: SidS1045 on September 24, 2013, 09:10:39 AM
Post by: SidS1045 on September 24, 2013, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2013, 07:22:23 PMQuote from: sandiaman on September 23, 2013, 06:56:41 PMNo area could have both a channel 3 and channel 4 .
why is that? too close in frequency?
TV channels are 6 MHz wide, but are not all continuous in frequency.
Channel 2: 54-60 MHz
3: 60-66 MHz
4: 66-72 MHz
5: 76-82 MHz (note the gap between 4 and 5)
6: 82-88 MHz
7: 174-180 MHz (note the gap between 6 and 7)
8: 180-186 MHz
...
13: 210-216 MHz
14: 470-476 MHz (note the gap between 13 and 14)
15: 476-482 MHz
...
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 24, 2013, 09:29:12 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 24, 2013, 09:29:12 AM
Back to a more road/driving-related item:
When gas prices featured prices other than $X.XX9 per gallon. A few times in the late 70s/early 80s, I saw prices that actually ended in $X.XX5 (or 1/2 cents). My parents told me that more variable tenths of a cent per gallon were seen on pumps during the gas-price wars of the 1960s.
When gas prices featured prices other than $X.XX9 per gallon. A few times in the late 70s/early 80s, I saw prices that actually ended in $X.XX5 (or 1/2 cents). My parents told me that more variable tenths of a cent per gallon were seen on pumps during the gas-price wars of the 1960s.
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Post by: 1995hoo on September 24, 2013, 11:42:06 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 24, 2013, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 24, 2013, 09:29:12 AM
Back to a more road/driving-related item:
When gas prices featured prices other than $X.XX9 per gallon. A few times in the late 70s/early 80s, I saw prices that actually ended in $X.XX5 (or 1/2 cents). My parents told me that more variable tenths of a cent per gallon were seen on pumps during the gas-price wars of the 1960s.
I remember an old station in Fairfax City, Virginia, that had prices displayed in xx.7¢ amounts in the late 1970s or early 1980s (e.g., 65.7¢ per gallon or whatever), but the station was no longer operating as a gas station at the time, just as a car repair shop (and it's LONG gone now).
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Post by: hbelkins on September 24, 2013, 12:14:24 PM
Post by: hbelkins on September 24, 2013, 12:14:24 PM
Quote from: theline on September 23, 2013, 11:21:33 PM
Exactly. Adjacent channels could bleed over and interfere. The FCC assigned the numbers in each metropolitan area to avoid interference. Some folks in "fringe" areas between cities could still experience problems between, for example, channel 7 in Dayton and 8 in Indianapolis. Using a directional antenna could help alleviate the problem.
My dad mentioned being able to pick up (barely) both Channel 3 from Louisville and Channel 3 from Huntington from our location in eastern Kentucky.
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Post by: RoadWarrior56 on September 24, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on September 24, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
I have two.............when you needed a converter on the top of your TV set to receive UHF Channels. Another is when I could return 6 soda bottles for 2 cent deposit each at the nearby 7-11 and then buy a 12 cent comic book.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 24, 2013, 12:43:49 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 24, 2013, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: theline on September 23, 2013, 11:21:33 PM
The earlier poster was wrong about networks being tied to specific channels in all areas. Though CBS managed to get channel 2 in many major cities, assignments varied. Where I grew up, channel 6 was NBC, 8 was CBS, and 13 was ABC. Smaller markets didn't get VHF (2-13) channels assigned at all, and had to settle for UHF (14-83), which had less range and required more power, IIRC.
when I was a kid (Boston, late 80s), 2 was PBS, 4 was NBC, 5 was ABC, 7 was CBS. I think 4 and 7 switched sometime in the mid-90s, and 7 was something else before WHDH but I can't be arsed to remember what.
(Wikipedia can be arsed! it was WNEV. there's an acronym I hadn't thought about in years!)
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Post by: hm insulators on September 24, 2013, 03:52:42 PM
Post by: hm insulators on September 24, 2013, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on September 23, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
Some sports-related tidbits:
NFL coaches, and not just Tom Landry, wearing a coat and tie on the sideline.
MLB umpires wearing coats and ties; and at that each league having their own umpiring staffs with AL umpires wearing red coats and their NL counterparts wearing blue coats.
AL umpires wearing chest protectors outside their uniforms.
The "technicolor" look of MLB in the 70s and 80s--with teams like the Athletics, Pirates, and Indians leading the way. And to top it off teams like the Phillies, Royals, Expos, Braves, Rangers, Blue Jays, and Cardinals wearing powder blue uniforms on the road.
The Dallas Cowboys wearing blue jerseys at home.
White horns (instead of yellow or the current gold) on the then-Los Angeles Rams' football helmets.
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Post by: mefailenglish on September 24, 2013, 04:32:13 PM
Post by: mefailenglish on September 24, 2013, 04:32:13 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 24, 2013, 09:29:12 AMWhen gas prices featured prices other than $X.XX9 per gallon.Donny's Discount Gas!
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 24, 2013, 05:57:11 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 24, 2013, 05:57:11 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 24, 2013, 12:43:49 PMhen I was a kid (Boston, late 80s), 2 was PBS, 4 was NBC, 5 was ABC, 7 was CBS. I think 4 and 7 switched sometime in the mid-90s, and 7 was something else before WHDH but I can't be arsed to remember what.Prior to the fall of 1972, 5 was CBS/WHDH & 7 was ABC/WNAC. In addition to becoming an ABC station that year, 5 changed its call letters to the current WCVB and 5 logo to its current one.
(Wikipedia can be arsed! it was WNEV. there's an acronym I hadn't thought about in years!)
7's change from WNAC to WNEV (but remaining as a CBS station) happened in late 1979.
4's call letters have been WBZ since it started.
Around the same time that the 90s 4/7 NBC/CBS switch in Boston occurred; Philly's NBC & CBS stations (3/KYW & 10/WCAU) also switched over. The reasoning for such switches was due to all the Westinghouse broadcasting companies (including Boston's WBZ-4 & Philly's KYW-3) becoming aligned w/CBS.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 24, 2013, 06:10:01 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 24, 2013, 06:10:01 PM
so WHDH was an extant call letter set until 1972, and then again in the mid 90s?
both times to refer to a CBS station?
was it a case of old ownership coming back? I'm not even sure what HDH stands for, but perhaps some member of the executive board liked the letters?
WNEV seems to have something to do with New England.
both times to refer to a CBS station?
was it a case of old ownership coming back? I'm not even sure what HDH stands for, but perhaps some member of the executive board liked the letters?
WNEV seems to have something to do with New England.
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 24, 2013, 06:36:21 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 24, 2013, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 24, 2013, 06:10:01 PMFor TV, yes; but it always remained on radio (AM 850) during that timeframe.
so WHDH was an extant call letter set until 1972, and then again in the mid 90s?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 24, 2013, 06:10:01 PMboth times to refer to a CBS station?Yes.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 24, 2013, 06:10:01 PMWNEV seems to have something to do with New England.IIRC, when those call-letters first came out; the 7 logo was changed to resemble a sideways V. The NE, no doubt, stood for New England; but the V was likely for 7 (sideways).
I stand corrected; WNAC-7 became WNEV in May 22, 1982
WNAC's final sign-off:
WNEV's inaugural sign-on:
In 1974; UHF station channel 56 changed is call-letters to the current WLVI (Roman Numerals for 56) from its previous WKBG.
I'm guessing the execs. got tired of KBG getting mixed up with the KGB.
WKBG/WLVI Channel 56 composite (I remember the original logo very well):
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Post by: theline on September 24, 2013, 09:31:09 PM
Post by: theline on September 24, 2013, 09:31:09 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 24, 2013, 12:14:24 PMQuote from: theline on September 23, 2013, 11:21:33 PM
Exactly. Adjacent channels could bleed over and interfere. The FCC assigned the numbers in each metropolitan area to avoid interference. Some folks in "fringe" areas between cities could still experience problems between, for example, channel 7 in Dayton and 8 in Indianapolis. Using a directional antenna could help alleviate the problem.
My dad mentioned being able to pick up (barely) both Channel 3 from Louisville and Channel 3 from Huntington from our location in eastern Kentucky.
Being an inquisitive kid growing up in the '60s in Muncie, Indiana, from time to time I tried to see what channels I could tune in. One afternoon, I was surprised to find a fuzzy picture on channel 2. I could see that it was an NBC program that, according to my TV News, was being shown on channel 2 in Terre Haute, 119 miles "as the crow flies." I was pleased with my achievement.
I was shocked though when the program ended, and the station identification came on for channel 2 in the Tri-Cities of Midland, Odessa, and Big Spring, Texas. That's 1,050 miles away! The signal soon faded, and I had no proof of my good luck. I checked many times after, but never again picked up that station.
We had a directional antenna with an electric rotor. The Tri-Cities and Terre Haute are on the same vector from Muncie.
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Post by: vtk on September 24, 2013, 10:06:36 PM
Post by: vtk on September 24, 2013, 10:06:36 PM
Probably some atmospheric variation along a cold front forming a waveguide from Texas to Indiana. That kind of thing happens occasionally.
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Post by: hubcity on September 25, 2013, 11:15:11 AM
Post by: hubcity on September 25, 2013, 11:15:11 AM
Sure does. Here's an extreme example: a BBC Television broadcast from 1938, the only known footage of BBC Television broadcasting from the pre-WWII era.
It was captured on film by an RCA engineer in New York.
http://archive.org/details/BbcTelevisionReceivedInNewYork-1938
It was captured on film by an RCA engineer in New York.
http://archive.org/details/BbcTelevisionReceivedInNewYork-1938
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 12:42:10 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 12:42:10 PM
it happens more often with AM radio, I think. Mike Ballard (sdmichael on the forum) related to me a story of how he picked up an LA station once in Omaha, or the other way around.
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Post by: theline on September 25, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
Post by: theline on September 25, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
It's good to know that I wasn't hallucinating that signal from Texas. Everybody told me that TV signals couldn't bounce like shortwave.
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Post by: roadman on September 25, 2013, 02:46:15 PM
Post by: roadman on September 25, 2013, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 12:42:10 PMAbility to pick up AM radio signals at locations far from the source depends on both atmospheric conditions and the output power of the station, as well as how close adjacent local stations are in frequency. On clear winter nights at my sister's house in central Illinois, I've easily picked up signals from WBZ AM in Boston.
it happens more often with AM radio, I think. Mike Ballard (sdmichael on the forum) related to me a story of how he picked up an LA station once in Omaha, or the other way around.
"Bandscanning", as it's referred to, of the AM broadcast and shortwave bands is popular with many radio hobbyists.
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Post by: HurrMark on September 25, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
Post by: HurrMark on September 25, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
I was browsing through some of the Boston logos and came across this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i7Co26eXgNg
There is an I-495 sign at the very beginning of the broadcast - it looks like a fairly modern font...but apparently it has been used for at least the last 35 years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i7Co26eXgNg
There is an I-495 sign at the very beginning of the broadcast - it looks like a fairly modern font...but apparently it has been used for at least the last 35 years
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Post by: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 03:02:20 PM
Post by: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 03:02:20 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 23, 2013, 10:03:10 PM
"Pop"? :thumbdown:
No, :thumbsup:
Soda is short for baking soda, or it is a caustic substance. Not what I'd want to drink. Give me a pop.
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Post by: sandiaman on September 25, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
Post by: sandiaman on September 25, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
That's wierd because I too got Channel 2 from Midland -Odessa Texas early one Saturday morning on what should have been KTVU (channel 2) in Oakland. California. It was very fuzzy reception and nobody beleived me, . Must have been one super strong signal. This was back in the early 60's.
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Post by: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 03:16:09 PM
Post by: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 03:16:09 PM
Quote from: sandiaman on September 23, 2013, 06:56:41 PM
Before ths days of cable and traslators, every metro area had at least three local stations ,one for each of the major networks. This is going back to the mid 50's. Generally, NBC was channel 4, ABC was channel 7 and CBS was either channel 5 or channel 2. PBS was whatever was leftover. And yes, they did exit off the air with some sort of patriotic song. No area could have both a channel 3 and channel 4 .
That could be variable depending on the area.
In Chicago, WBBM (CBS) was on 2, WMAQ (NBC) was on 5, and WLS (ABC) was on 7. In addition, you had WGN on 9 and WTTW (PBS) on 11. Other stuff was on UHF such as WFLD (Fox) at 32.
However, some areas got a little bit more due to their location. Detroit could get ABC, CBS, NBC, and CBC (out of Windsor).
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: HurrMark on September 25, 2013, 02:47:25 PMThere is an I-495 sign at the very beginning of the broadcast - it looks like a fairly modern font...but apparently it has been used for at least the last 35 yearsIn MA, most Interstate shields have used FHWA fonts (series C & D) almost from the get-go.
The neutered (no state-name) shield shown is 1970-spec'd. MA was fairly early in adopting using neutered I-shields for stand-alone signs. That sign & BGS' (for US 3 & the Lowell Connector) in a later shot were probably less than a year old at the time.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:13:49 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:13:49 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
In MA, most Interstate shields have used FHWA fonts (series C & D) almost from the get-go.
I just picked up a 91 with 10" custom font that was placed on a '57 blank. the move to 10" numbers didn't come until ~1970 so there were definitely stragglers.
QuoteThe neutered (no state-name) shield shown is 1970-spec'd. MA was fairly early in adopting using neutered I-shields for stand-alone signs. That sign & BGS' (for US 3 & the Lowell Connector) in a later shot were probably less than a year old at the time.
do you know if this happened in 1978, when many states adopted the neutered shield, or was it earlier? I remember by 1986 there were hardly any state-named shields left, in stark contrast to the surrounding states. plenty of NH and RI to be seen.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:15:08 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 25, 2013, 02:46:15 PM
Ability to pick up AM radio signals at locations far from the source depends on both atmospheric conditions and the output power of the station, as well as how close adjacent local stations are in frequency. On clear winter nights at my sister's house in central Illinois, I've easily picked up signals from WBZ AM in Boston.
"Bandscanning", as it's referred to, of the AM broadcast and shortwave bands is popular with many radio hobbyists.
I was thinking that because of the Rockies in the middle, the LA-Omaha hop was unusual.
though, I suppose, given the height of the ionosphere relative to terrestrial features, the Rockies aren't much of an impediment at all.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:16:44 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:16:44 PM
Quote from: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 03:02:20 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on September 23, 2013, 10:03:10 PM
"Pop"? :thumbdown:
No, :thumbsup:
Soda is short for baking soda, or it is a caustic substance. Not what I'd want to drink. Give me a pop.
pop is a caustic substance. have you listened to the radio recently?
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Post by: vtk on September 25, 2013, 05:47:14 PM
Post by: vtk on September 25, 2013, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:15:08 PMQuote from: roadman on September 25, 2013, 02:46:15 PM
Ability to pick up AM radio signals at locations far from the source depends on both atmospheric conditions and the output power of the station, as well as how close adjacent local stations are in frequency. On clear winter nights at my sister's house in central Illinois, I've easily picked up signals from WBZ AM in Boston.
"Bandscanning", as it's referred to, of the AM broadcast and shortwave bands is popular with many radio hobbyists.
I was thinking that because of the Rockies in the middle, the LA-Omaha hop was unusual.
though, I suppose, given the height of the ionosphere relative to terrestrial features, the Rockies aren't much of an impediment at all.
The mountains are fairly insignificant compared to planetary curvature over such long distances. That's the real obstacle.
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 05:48:47 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 05:48:47 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:13:49 PMReread my post again. I was referring to fonts not letter heights. The sign you're describing is likely a one-off repair job; probably by an independent contractor.Quote from: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
In MA, most Interstate shields have used FHWA fonts (series C & D) almost from the get-go.
I just picked up a 91 with 10" custom font that was placed on a '57 blank. the move to 10" numbers didn't come until ~1970 so there were definitely stragglers.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:13:49 PMI started seeing neutered I-shields along I-95 (between Topsfield & Boxford) circa 1973-74.Quote from: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 03:29:04 PMThe neutered (no state-name) shield shown is 1970-spec'd. MA was fairly early in adopting using neutered I-shields for stand-alone signs. That sign & BGS' (for US 3 & the Lowell Connector) in a later shot were probably less than a year old at the time.do you know if this happened in 1978, when many states adopted the neutered shield, or was it earlier?
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Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 06:09:00 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 05:48:47 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 05:13:49 PMReread my post again. I was referring to fonts not letter heights. The sign you're describing is likely a one-off repair job; probably by an independent contractor.Quote from: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
In MA, most Interstate shields have used FHWA fonts (series C & D) almost from the get-go.
I just picked up a 91 with 10" custom font that was placed on a '57 blank. the move to 10" numbers didn't come until ~1970 so there were definitely stragglers.
by 10" custom font I mean "not FHWA".
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Post by: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 10:36:09 AM
Post by: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 10:36:09 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 03:29:04 PMQuote from: HurrMark on September 25, 2013, 02:47:25 PMThere is an I-495 sign at the very beginning of the broadcast - it looks like a fairly modern font...but apparently it has been used for at least the last 35 yearsIn MA, most Interstate shields have used FHWA fonts (series C & D) almost from the get-go.
The neutered (no state-name) shield shown is 1970-spec'd. MA was fairly early in adopting using neutered I-shields for stand-alone signs. That sign & BGS' (for US 3 & the Lowell Connector) in a later shot were probably less than a year old at the time.
I didn't see the US 3 sign...I do find it interesting that even today, they still use the "California style" cutouts on sign posts.
By the way, another question...the video shows the "infamous" shot that most people who have read about the Blizzard of 78 has seen, with cars buried on 93 at route 138. The exit number is 64N...which is now 2B. I thought that the exit numbers along 93/128 changed by 1978 to the current numbering system. Or did the MassDOT just not get to changing at particular sign by that point?
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Post by: roadman on September 26, 2013, 11:07:20 AM
Post by: roadman on September 26, 2013, 11:07:20 AM
Quote from: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 10:36:09 AMQuote from: PHLBOS on September 25, 2013, 03:29:04 PMQuote from: HurrMark on September 25, 2013, 02:47:25 PMThere is an I-495 sign at the very beginning of the broadcast - it looks like a fairly modern font...but apparently it has been used for at least the last 35 yearsIn MA, most Interstate shields have used FHWA fonts (series C & D) almost from the get-go.
The neutered (no state-name) shield shown is 1970-spec'd. MA was fairly early in adopting using neutered I-shields for stand-alone signs. That sign & BGS' (for US 3 & the Lowell Connector) in a later shot were probably less than a year old at the time.
I didn't see the US 3 sign...I do find it interesting that even today, they still use the "California style" cutouts on sign posts.
By the way, another question...the video shows the "infamous" shot that most people who have read about the Blizzard of 78 has seen, with cars buried on 93 at route 138. The exit number is 64N...which is now 2B. I thought that the exit numbers along 93/128 changed by 1978 to the current numbering system. Or did the MassDOT just not get to changing at particular sign by that point?
The US 3 shields between Burlington and Tyngsborough, which were installed as part of the late 1990s sign update project and reset during the subsequent widening, were made as cutouts so they could be mounted on twin telescopic posts. If the current MUTCD standard for stand-alone M1-4 shields were followed, the sign assemblies would have been too large in area for the posts to hold them (triple telescopic posts are not considered to be an acceptable breakaway support and can only be used in protected areas).
Note that the US 3 sign work predated MassHighway's eventual adoption of single steel beam posts in concrete foundations for larger route assemblies on freeway mainlines(like those installed on the I-95/128 overlap section) by just over a decade.
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Post by: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 11:44:41 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 11:44:41 AM
Quote from: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 10:36:09 AMBy the way, another question...the video shows the "infamous" shot that most people who have read about the Blizzard of 78 has seen, with cars buried on 93 at route 138. The exit number is 64N...which is now 2B. I thought that the exit numbers along 93/128 changed by 1978 to the current numbering system. Or did the MassDOT just not get to changing at particular sign by that point?The current exit numbers along I-93 (including the YDH/128 section) didn't occur until 1987.
The exit number changes along the I-95 section of YDH/128 coincided with the opening of the I-95/128 interchange (Exit 45/29) in Peabody circa 1988.
One needs to remember that in 1978, blizzard or no blizzard, very few BGS' along YDH/128 had yet sported I-95 or I-93 shields. One or two of those old Canton photos show the then-brand-new 95 NORTH Dedham N.H.-Maine pull-through BGS' that were erected about a year earlier along with a back-side view of a then-new I-93 reassurance shield. Plus, one still needed to do a Breezewood from YDH/128 onto US 1 North (old Exit 30N(B), current Exit 44B) in Peabody in order to get-on I-95 North Proper back then. That's likely the real reason why the MassDPW (predecessor to MassHighway & MassDOT) held off on changing the exit numbers. Full-blown BGS' directing motorists of such weren't erected until 1982.
Many early 70s-vintage BGS' that only show 128 shields (obviously predating the I-95/93 redesignations) survived into the 1990s; well after the exit number changes (the old exit tabs were either covered up or completely replaced).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 11:57:10 AM
Post by: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 11:57:10 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 11:44:41 AMSurprised it was that late.Quote from: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 10:36:09 AMBy the way, another question...the video shows the "infamous" shot that most people who have read about the Blizzard of 78 has seen, with cars buried on 93 at route 138. The exit number is 64N...which is now 2B. I thought that the exit numbers along 93/128 changed by 1978 to the current numbering system. Or did the MassDOT just not get to changing at particular sign by that point?The current exit numbers along I-93 (including the YDH/128 section) didn't occur until 1987.
QuoteMany early 70s-vintage BGS' that only show 128 shields (obviously predating the I-95/93 redesignations) survived into the 1990s; well after the exit number changes (the old exit tabs were either covered up or completely replaced).
There is still at least one in existance...along Route 9 going eastbound towards 128 in Newton.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 12:56:46 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: HurrMark on September 25, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
I was browsing through some of the Boston logos and came across this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i7Co26eXgNg
There is an I-495 sign at the very beginning of the broadcast - it looks like a fairly modern font...but apparently it has been used for at least the last 35 years
the "breathing" of that video is completely unnerving. I can't stand 30 seconds, never mind the full 13 minutes.
anyone want to screen-shot me the US 3 shield?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 12:59:21 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 26, 2013, 11:07:20 AM
The US 3 shields between Burlington and Tyngsborough, which were installed as part of the late 1990s sign update project and reset during the subsequent widening, were made as cutouts so they could be mounted on twin telescopic posts. If the current MUTCD standard for stand-alone M1-4 shields were followed, the sign assemblies would have been too large in area for the posts to hold them (triple telescopic posts are not considered to be an acceptable breakaway support and can only be used in protected areas).
a 36x36 square is too heavy for twin telescope posts, but a 45x36 interstate shield is not? apparently there is that much cut away to make an interstate shield?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 01:13:16 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 01:13:16 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 12:56:46 PMThe I-495 is shown at around 0:30, the BGS' are shown at aroundQuote from: HurrMark on September 25, 2013, 02:47:25 PMthe "breathing" of that video is completely unnerving. I can't stand 30 seconds, never mind the full 13 minutes.
I was browsing through some of the Boston logos and came across this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i7Co26eXgNg
There is an I-495 sign at the very beginning of the broadcast - it looks like a fairly modern font...but apparently it has been used for at least the last 35 years
anyone want to screen-shot me the US 3 shield?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 01:16:41 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 01:16:41 PM
I can barely make out that that is a 3 shield. if you can say that that is California style (with US above the number) I will assume you saw the sign in a different context, because from that video one simply cannot tell.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 03:08:50 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 03:08:50 PM
The only US 3 shield I'm referring to is on the BGS at 0:34 and it has no U.S. heading. Yes, it's a bit hard to read given the weather conditions and age of the news footage but it was filmed along I-495 Northbound just outside of Lowell and near the US 3 & Lowell Connector interchanges (then Exits 35A-B & 36/current Exits 35-A-B-C).
The monolithic/dual-BGS' read:
EXIT 36 EXITS 35A-B
Lowell 3
Connector Burlington
Nashua, N.H.
______________________________________________
RIGHT *can't read/recall the rest*
I believe that the cut-out US 3 shields that roadman's referring are ones installed in the 1990s and obviously wouldn't be shown in a 1978 news video.
The monolithic/dual-BGS' read:
EXIT 36 EXITS 35A-B
Lowell 3
Connector Burlington
Nashua, N.H.
______________________________________________
RIGHT *can't read/recall the rest*
I believe that the cut-out US 3 shields that roadman's referring are ones installed in the 1990s and obviously wouldn't be shown in a 1978 news video.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 03:10:37 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 03:10:37 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 03:08:50 PM
I believe that the cut-out US 3 shields that roadman's referring are ones installed in the 1990s and obviously wouldn't be shown in a 1978 news video.
those are not "California style" either. they, in fact, are just shields designed for BGS application but mounted on posts. they have no outer border.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MA/MA20010031i1.jpg)
that looks to be a 48 inch shield. why would MassDOT install such huge shields, as opposed to just going with standard 36x36?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 03:18:59 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 03:10:37 PMthose are not "California style" either.Neither I nor roadman ever said they were.
The California style reference came from HurrMark and I think he was just referring to the usage of cut-out US shields for trailblazer/reassurance signs in general and not how Caltrans details their US shields per say.
Cut him some slack, he's fairly new here.
Quote from: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 11:57:10 AMSurprised it was that late.If you look through past threads, especially in the Northeast section, you'll get a more comprehesive history of the 95-93-128 controversey and why many locals still refer to it as Route 128 decades after most of it received Interstate designations. The late exit number changes were part of that.
Quote from: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 11:57:10 AMThere is still at least one in existance...along Route 9 going eastbound towards 128 in Newton.And that is likely the only one I'm aware of that's still around (at least as of last November).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 03:22:26 PM
Post by: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 03:22:26 PM
Thanks PHLBOS...that's what I meant. I should have been more specific.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on September 26, 2013, 03:33:38 PM
Post by: roadman on September 26, 2013, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 12:59:21 PMQuote from: roadman on September 26, 2013, 11:07:20 AM
The US 3 shields between Burlington and Tyngsborough, which were installed as part of the late 1990s sign update project and reset during the subsequent widening, were made as cutouts so they could be mounted on twin telescopic posts. If the current MUTCD standard for stand-alone M1-4 shields were followed, the sign assemblies would have been too large in area for the posts to hold them (triple telescopic posts are not considered to be an acceptable breakaway support and can only be used in protected areas).
a 36x36 square is too heavy for twin telescope posts, but a 45x36 interstate shield is not? apparently there is that much cut away to make an interstate shield?
The US 3 shields north of Burlington are indeed 48" X 48". Using a cutout instead of a square loses enough material to account for the cardinal direction plate and keep the overall area at 20 square feet or under (MassDOT standard for twin telescopic posts). And the issue with telescopic posts is not so much weight (dead load) as it is wind loading. Note that this project was done in the era before MassHighway started requiring slip bases for twin telescopic post installations.
As the 48" x 48" shields are shown on the Route 3 Burlington to Tyngsborough project plans (Project #601167), I can only presume this was a designer error that went unnoticed during the project review stage.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on September 26, 2013, 03:38:49 PM
Post by: roadman on September 26, 2013, 03:38:49 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 03:18:59 PMQuote from: HurrMark on September 26, 2013, 11:57:10 AMThere is still at least one in existance...along Route 9 going eastbound towards 128 in Newton.And that is likely the only one I'm aware of that's still around (at least as of last November).
You are both correct, that is the last remaining overhead BGS panel within the Canton to Peabody overlap section with a 128 shield instead of I-95. BTW, that panel (and the structure) will eventually be replaced under the final (Needham to Wellesley) section of the I-95 "Add-a-Lane" project scheduled for advertisement later this fall.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on September 26, 2013, 03:42:59 PM
Post by: roadman on September 26, 2013, 03:42:59 PM
More from television. You are too old if you remember a) when a "season" for a television show consisted of at least 24 new episodes and b) when no more than two minutes of a half-hour program was devoted to commericals (I believe the industry average now for commercials is ten to twelve minutes per half hour).
And, with the exception of automobiles, not only did product placement in shows not exist, but producers went out of their way to use fake brand names for common products shown.
And, with the exception of automobiles, not only did product placement in shows not exist, but producers went out of their way to use fake brand names for common products shown.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 04:28:47 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 04:28:47 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 26, 2013, 03:33:38 PM
As the 48" x 48" shields are shown on the Route 3 Burlington to Tyngsborough project plans (Project #601167), I can only presume this was a designer error that went unnoticed during the project review stage.
"crap, they requested 48x48 shields... how do we make them stand up to wind load?"
"use the cutouts, they come in at under 20 square feet"
"can't we just use some plain old standard 36x36es?"
"nah that's too sensible"
... that said, 48x48 inches is 4x4 feet. 16 square feet at the most, even in non-cutout form. I don't know how big the cardinal direction tab is, but "4 square feet" seems to be pushing it. assuming a 2:1 aspect ratio, one would get approximately 34x17 inches. that seems just a tad large.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 26, 2013, 03:42:59 PMwhen no more than two minutes of a half-hour program was devoted to commericals (I believe the industry average now for commercials is ten to twelve minutes per half hour).Add to that when all TV shows actually had minute-long intros (30 seconds is the best one can get today) and actual closing credits scenes.
Quote from: roadman on September 26, 2013, 03:42:59 PMAnd, with the exception of automobiles, not only did product placement in shows not exist, but producers went out of their way to use fake brand names for common products shown.I remember seeing one really low-budget movie that showed an old Ford truck with the letters on the hood rearranged to read DORF.
More recently, the Nationwide commerical that shows a guy crashing his car into a restaurant/bakery due to his GPS that I posted in two other threads disguises a Lincoln LS sedan (the car used in the commercial) as a ficticious D900.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on September 26, 2013, 05:27:46 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 26, 2013, 05:27:46 PM
The stuff about not mentioning real brand names was true of commercials as well. My grandparents in Brooklyn always bought C&C Cola and I still remember their TV commercials that said "C&C Cola is one-half the price of" and then what sounded like a bicycle horn honked twice to block out the words "Coke and Pepsi."
I haven't had the stuff in years, certainly not since my grandmother died in 1998 and probably not since several years prior to then.
I haven't had the stuff in years, certainly not since my grandmother died in 1998 and probably not since several years prior to then.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 27, 2013, 08:39:31 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 27, 2013, 08:39:31 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 26, 2013, 05:27:46 PMI still remember their TV commercials that said "C&C Cola is one-half the price of" and then what sounded like a bicycle horn honked twice to block out the words "Coke and Pepsi."That commercial originally aired sometime in the early-1980s during the height of the Pepsi Challenge commercials and shortly before Coca-Cola made the biggest product/marketing blunder in their history (New Coke anyone?).
Assuming that we're referring to the same exact commercial, the horn honking over the female announcer's saying (or attempting to say) Coke & Pepsi was done as a joke not because of any legal issues. The evidence of such is clearly displayed at the final line at the end of that C&C Cola commercial. The announcer eventually gets the Coke & Pepsi words in just before the bicycle horn sounds off.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on September 27, 2013, 12:23:42 PM
Post by: roadman on September 27, 2013, 12:23:42 PM
I'm not normally conspiracy-minded, but to this day I still maintain that New Coke was deliberately set up to fail. The whole "fiasco" was no more than a clever ploy by the company to disguse the fact that, at roughly the same time as the "New Coke" rollout, Coke changed all their soda products from being mainly sugar based to being mainly corn syrup based in a cost-cutting move.
Plus, it got them a lot of publicity in the bargain. As somebody once said "Any publicity is good publicity".
Plus, it got them a lot of publicity in the bargain. As somebody once said "Any publicity is good publicity".
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on September 27, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 27, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 27, 2013, 12:23:42 PM
.... As somebody once said "Any publicity is good publicity".
Author David Eddings once commented that his editor, Lester Del Rey, said to be thankful for bad book reviews because the review represents another sale.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on September 27, 2013, 06:33:57 PM
Post by: thenetwork on September 27, 2013, 06:33:57 PM
...When the majority of BGSs in Michigan had rounded corners!!!
Bonus points if any are still in the wild!
Bonus points if any are still in the wild!
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: amroad17 on September 29, 2013, 02:28:50 AM
Post by: amroad17 on September 29, 2013, 02:28:50 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 26, 2013, 03:10:37 PMBecause MassDOT.Quote from: PHLBOS on September 26, 2013, 03:08:50 PM
I believe that the cut-out US 3 shields that roadman's referring are ones installed in the 1990s and obviously wouldn't be shown in a 1978 news video.
those are not "California style" either. they, in fact, are just shields designed for BGS application but mounted on posts. they have no outer border.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MA/MA20010031i1.jpg)
that looks to be a 48 inch shield. why would MassDOT install such huge shields, as opposed to just going with standard 36x36?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: SteveG1988 on September 29, 2013, 02:34:54 PM
Post by: SteveG1988 on September 29, 2013, 02:34:54 PM
If you remember riding the bridgeport-chester ferry on us322 in NJ/PA
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on September 30, 2013, 08:32:48 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on September 30, 2013, 08:32:48 AM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on September 29, 2013, 02:34:54 PMI believe that one was already mentioned.
If you remember riding the bridgeport-chester ferry on us322 in NJ/PA
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
Post by: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
Slightly off-topic, but something in the Road-Related Illustrations board made me think of it:
...when Paint was called Paintbrush and Wordpad was called Write!
...when Paint was called Paintbrush and Wordpad was called Write!
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Brandon on September 30, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
Post by: Brandon on September 30, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
Slightly off-topic, but something in the Road-Related Illustrations board made me think of it:
...when Paint was called Paintbrush and Wordpad was called Write!
Anybody remember Lotus 1..2..3 or Wordperfect?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:40:24 PM
Post by: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:40:24 PM
Quote from: Brandon on September 30, 2013, 05:35:45 PMQuote from: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
Slightly off-topic, but something in the Road-Related Illustrations board made me think of it:
...when Paint was called Paintbrush and Wordpad was called Write!
Anybody remember Lotus 1..2..3 or Wordperfect?
I used to type my homework on Professional Write (a DOS-based word processor). Then I switched to Write, using Ami Pro for spell-checking, before completely switching to Ami Pro. Then Word 97 took over... I seem to recall either Ami Pro or Word having a Help section consisting of tips for Lotus 123 users.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 30, 2013, 05:48:33 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 30, 2013, 05:48:33 PM
I never quite figured out that it was called 123. I just called it "lotus" for many years. branding fail.
I remember BASICA and GWBASIC from when I was 3, but I do not remember what the difference was. one ran better on my computer.
I remember BASICA and GWBASIC from when I was 3, but I do not remember what the difference was. one ran better on my computer.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: OracleUsr on September 30, 2013, 05:49:51 PM
Post by: OracleUsr on September 30, 2013, 05:49:51 PM
Quote from: Brandon on September 30, 2013, 05:35:45 PMQuote from: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
Slightly off-topic, but something in the Road-Related Illustrations board made me think of it:
...when Paint was called Paintbrush and Wordpad was called Write!
Anybody remember Lotus 1..2..3 or Wordperfect?
Of course, and I still use Lotus Smartsuite, actually
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: DaBigE on September 30, 2013, 06:41:44 PM
Post by: DaBigE on September 30, 2013, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: Brandon on September 30, 2013, 05:35:45 PMQuote from: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
Slightly off-topic, but something in the Road-Related Illustrations board made me think of it:
...when Paint was called Paintbrush and Wordpad was called Write!
Anybody remember Lotus 1..2..3 or Wordperfect?
I used WordPerfect through college. Still had a version installed on my computer until I got my laptop a couple years ago. I gave up the program when I started working in the real world, where the only option I had was to use Word.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on September 30, 2013, 07:18:00 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 30, 2013, 07:18:00 PM
Quote from: Brandon on September 30, 2013, 05:35:45 PMQuote from: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
Slightly off-topic, but something in the Road-Related Illustrations board made me think of it:
...when Paint was called Paintbrush and Wordpad was called Write!
Anybody remember Lotus 1..2..3 or Wordperfect?
WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS was perhaps the best word processor ever. It seldom crashed and you could manipulate it to do just about anything. Word remains immensely frustrating because it attempts to second-guess so much of what you do instead of recognizing that the user, not the software, is in charge. Many, perhaps most, US government agencies use WordPerfect, but much of the private sector uses Word. WordPerfect is much better for the legal profession (far better with things like tables of authorities) and I'd use WordPerfect now except for the nuisance of converting everything for people who use Word.
WordPerfect dropped the ball with their first Windows version back in 1991. They'd focused on OS/2 and never recovered.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: theline on September 30, 2013, 08:59:35 PM
Post by: theline on September 30, 2013, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 30, 2013, 07:18:00 PMQuote from: Brandon on September 30, 2013, 05:35:45 PMQuote from: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
Slightly off-topic, but something in the Road-Related Illustrations board made me think of it:
...when Paint was called Paintbrush and Wordpad was called Write!
Anybody remember Lotus 1..2..3 or Wordperfect?
WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS was perhaps the best word processor ever. It seldom crashed and you could manipulate it to do just about anything. Word remains immensely frustrating because it attempts to second-guess so much of what you do instead of recognizing that the user, not the software, is in charge. Many, perhaps most, US government agencies use WordPerfect, but much of the private sector uses Word. WordPerfect is much better for the legal profession (far better with things like tables of authorities) and I'd use WordPerfect now except for the nuisance of converting everything for people who use Word.
WordPerfect dropped the ball with their first Windows version back in 1991. They'd focused on OS/2 and never recovered.
I used to teach introductory courses for both Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect 5.1. If anyone needs lessons in either of those programs, let me know. :bigass:
Both of those programs were revolutionary, but they got out-marketed by Microsoft. Then they didn't have the resources to keep developing improved products, like MS could. WordPerfect is still a great word processor, though as mentioned above it's a pain to keep MS Word converter updated to convert WP formats.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hbelkins on September 30, 2013, 09:42:54 PM
Post by: hbelkins on September 30, 2013, 09:42:54 PM
Yeah, in 1995 when I switched from a Mac environment at work (newspaper) to a Windows environment (state government), I used WordPerfect with whatever early version of Windows we had. I had to save WordPerfect documents in an 8.3 naming convention. Then when we went to Windows NT, Word replaced WordPerfect.
On the Mac we had MacPaint and MacDraw, and Aldus PageMaker until Adobe bought Aldus out. When I went back to the newspaper business in 2001, they had dropped PageMaker in favor of Quark XPress. Now the pagination program of choice is another Adobe product, InDesign.
On the Mac we had MacPaint and MacDraw, and Aldus PageMaker until Adobe bought Aldus out. When I went back to the newspaper business in 2001, they had dropped PageMaker in favor of Quark XPress. Now the pagination program of choice is another Adobe product, InDesign.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: DeaconG on September 30, 2013, 09:54:13 PM
Post by: DeaconG on September 30, 2013, 09:54:13 PM
I held out with AmiPro for years until IBM screwed it up...and I still consider Quattro Pro one of the best spreadsheets EVAR. Effing Borland...they used to be a player.
At least Corel still supports WordPerfect.
At least Corel still supports WordPerfect.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on September 30, 2013, 11:13:42 PM
Post by: kkt on September 30, 2013, 11:13:42 PM
Quote from: Brandon on September 30, 2013, 05:35:45 PMQuote from: vtk on September 30, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
Slightly off-topic, but something in the Road-Related Illustrations board made me think of it:
...when Paint was called Paintbrush and Wordpad was called Write!
Anybody remember Lotus 1..2..3 or Wordperfect?
Visicalc and Wordstar
Emacs
Teco
Punch cards
300 baud teletypes
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: theline on October 01, 2013, 02:17:02 AM
Post by: theline on October 01, 2013, 02:17:02 AM
The Source. I could dial up my 300 baud modem from home and look at live AP wire copy from anywhere. I know that doesn't seem so amazing in our modern WWW days, but it was revolutionary at the time. The Source was owned by Reader's Digest IIRC.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vtk on October 01, 2013, 02:49:20 AM
Post by: vtk on October 01, 2013, 02:49:20 AM
Quote from: kkt on September 30, 2013, 11:13:42 PM
Emacs
That's still around and under continuing development. I hear it's become the epitome of bloatware.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: OracleUsr on October 01, 2013, 12:38:44 PM
Post by: OracleUsr on October 01, 2013, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: vtk on October 01, 2013, 02:49:20 AMQuote from: kkt on September 30, 2013, 11:13:42 PM
Emacs
That's still around and under continuing development. I hear it's become the epitome of bloatware.
But of course...back when memory was smaller, we used to say EMACS stood for Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping. I guess now that would have to be EGACS (or even worse, ETACS)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on October 01, 2013, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: kkt on October 01, 2013, 12:53:00 PM
Quote from: vtk on October 01, 2013, 02:49:20 AMQuote from: kkt on September 30, 2013, 11:13:42 PM
Emacs
That's still around and under continuing development. I hear it's become the epitome of bloatware.
I know, I still use Emacs. Emacs is bigger than it used to be, but not by nearly as much as some other programs.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2013, 01:02:54 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2013, 01:02:54 PM
I use emacs. I'll bet I use 1/1000th of the available features. I just got used to it over vi, so that's my preference, even though vi loads 8 times as fast.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2013, 01:16:09 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2013, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: kkt on September 30, 2013, 11:13:42 PM
Teco
because something has to make Perl look comprehensible.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on October 01, 2013, 01:39:58 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 01, 2013, 01:39:58 PM
...Beta as in Betamax.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on October 01, 2013, 05:31:35 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on October 01, 2013, 05:31:35 PM
Does WordPerfect support ODF? If so, you could go ahead and use that format and everyone should be able to open it (Word will save to ODF but will bitch about it).
.docx/.xlsx should have never existed.
.docx/.xlsx should have never existed.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Brandon on October 01, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
Post by: Brandon on October 01, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 01, 2013, 05:31:35 PM
Does WordPerfect support ODF? If so, you could go ahead and use that format and everyone should be able to open it (Word will save to ODF but will bitch about it).
.docx/.xlsx should have never existed.
Geeze, I hate that switch. It made it a right royal bitch to deal with when they first came out. Only a few people at work had Office 2007, and they had to make the conversions for the rest of us.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2013, 06:07:09 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2013, 06:07:09 PM
I still barely know where anything is in Word and Excel post-07. I find myself using the old keyboard shortcuts too often; the fact that those were preserved is the only way I get any work done in those two applications.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on October 01, 2013, 06:14:42 PM
Post by: formulanone on October 01, 2013, 06:14:42 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 01, 2013, 05:42:29 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on October 01, 2013, 05:31:35 PM
.docx/.xlsx should have never existed.
Geeze, I hate that switch. It made it a right royal bitch to deal with when they first came out. Only a few people at work had Office 2007, and they had to make the conversions for the rest of us.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2013, 06:07:09 PM
I still barely know where anything is in Word and Excel post-07. I find myself using the old keyboard shortcuts too often; the fact that those were preserved is the only way I get any work done in those two applications.
Same here...In fact, I don't think I've ever used any of the "new" features in Office 2000-2003-2007-2010...I learned on Office 97, and everything since then just seems like bloat. Each one just takes longer to load...I still use my edition of Word/Excel 97 on my netbook because it loads up like lightning.
"The Ribbon" is shite, but then again, we're talking about a software bundle that has always had separate menus for "Options", "Preferences", and "Settings" which are essentially the same thing in any other piece of software, but not in Officeland.
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Post by: kkt on October 01, 2013, 06:35:10 PM
Post by: kkt on October 01, 2013, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 01, 2013, 05:31:35 PM
Does WordPerfect support ODF? If so, you could go ahead and use that format and everyone should be able to open it (Word will save to ODF but will bitch about it).
.docx/.xlsx should have never existed.
Oh, but if MS used an open standard for documents, what would keep their customers from abandoning Office altogether? :banghead:
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: WichitaRoads on October 02, 2013, 12:39:27 PM
Post by: WichitaRoads on October 02, 2013, 12:39:27 PM
Whereas I can certainly get on board the word processing train, I'll refrain, and ask that we get back on topic... things road geeky, perhaps? :)
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Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: J N Winkler on October 02, 2013, 01:17:21 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on October 02, 2013, 01:17:21 PM
I think it would be good to split the office/text-processing software to its own thread on the Off-Topic board.
That said, I echo the love for WordPerfect. I especially liked the fact that it had explicit markup. However, I stopped using it when I entered graduate school because Word was the clear market leader at that stage and I thought I would be able to exchange documents with my colleagues more easily if I switched over to it. I used Word version 2000 (the very last that was even remotely user-friendly) for over ten years, but never came to like it. The lack of explicit markup made formatting difficult and unstable, and I was forever having to dig up the unhelpful Help files whenever I attempted anything remotely complicated.
When I purchased a new computer (gaming laptop) in late 2011, I discovered my old copy of Office 2000 Professional just wouldn't install on it (I had originally bought it for a Windows 98 desktop, and Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit choked on it even with its built-in backward-compatibility features), so I experimented with LibreOffice instead. For a while I thought it might be a viable substitute, but then I discovered it lacks some pretty basic features, such as the ability to center text vertically on a page without resorting to a single-cell table covering the entire page.
I had experimented briefly with TeX in the late nineties when I was analyzing quasar spectroscopy on Unix workstations. I rather liked TeX, but I never figured out how to change the font from Computer Modern (which I never particularly cared for because it looks fussy), the three-stage (.tex --> .dvi --> .ps --> .pdf) distillation process that was available then was very cumbersome, Windows ports were at that time a microscopically small niche of the user base, and I was not prepared to commit to Unix or even Linux just to use TeX or LaTeX because the learning curve at the time was much, much steeper--driver support for commodity hardware was very spotty (you were expected to write your own, which is a hassle if you have no training in it and no easy way to get any), use of make was still considered routine, etc.
Nowadays I just use LaTeX (via MikTeX for Windows), because the last decade has seen a sea change for TeX and its derivatives in terms of usability. Guidance is very easy to retrieve over the Web, MikTeX is a major and well-supported Windows port, pdflatex offers single-stage, hassle-free PDF distillation (in fact much better than the combination of Word and Acrobat Distiller for the same input), and because the input files are plain text format, I can search and manipulate them quite easily using low-overhead tools like findstr and sed. In general I am trying to move away from proprietary formats and from software packages which load with a splash screen and don't allow routine tasks to be scripted from the command line. And, of course, markup is entirely explicit and you don't even need to be able to edit LaTeX class files to access formatting capabilities an order of magnitude better than Word's.
That said, I echo the love for WordPerfect. I especially liked the fact that it had explicit markup. However, I stopped using it when I entered graduate school because Word was the clear market leader at that stage and I thought I would be able to exchange documents with my colleagues more easily if I switched over to it. I used Word version 2000 (the very last that was even remotely user-friendly) for over ten years, but never came to like it. The lack of explicit markup made formatting difficult and unstable, and I was forever having to dig up the unhelpful Help files whenever I attempted anything remotely complicated.
When I purchased a new computer (gaming laptop) in late 2011, I discovered my old copy of Office 2000 Professional just wouldn't install on it (I had originally bought it for a Windows 98 desktop, and Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit choked on it even with its built-in backward-compatibility features), so I experimented with LibreOffice instead. For a while I thought it might be a viable substitute, but then I discovered it lacks some pretty basic features, such as the ability to center text vertically on a page without resorting to a single-cell table covering the entire page.
I had experimented briefly with TeX in the late nineties when I was analyzing quasar spectroscopy on Unix workstations. I rather liked TeX, but I never figured out how to change the font from Computer Modern (which I never particularly cared for because it looks fussy), the three-stage (.tex --> .dvi --> .ps --> .pdf) distillation process that was available then was very cumbersome, Windows ports were at that time a microscopically small niche of the user base, and I was not prepared to commit to Unix or even Linux just to use TeX or LaTeX because the learning curve at the time was much, much steeper--driver support for commodity hardware was very spotty (you were expected to write your own, which is a hassle if you have no training in it and no easy way to get any), use of make was still considered routine, etc.
Nowadays I just use LaTeX (via MikTeX for Windows), because the last decade has seen a sea change for TeX and its derivatives in terms of usability. Guidance is very easy to retrieve over the Web, MikTeX is a major and well-supported Windows port, pdflatex offers single-stage, hassle-free PDF distillation (in fact much better than the combination of Word and Acrobat Distiller for the same input), and because the input files are plain text format, I can search and manipulate them quite easily using low-overhead tools like findstr and sed. In general I am trying to move away from proprietary formats and from software packages which load with a splash screen and don't allow routine tasks to be scripted from the command line. And, of course, markup is entirely explicit and you don't even need to be able to edit LaTeX class files to access formatting capabilities an order of magnitude better than Word's.
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Post by: formulanone on October 02, 2013, 01:53:30 PM
Post by: formulanone on October 02, 2013, 01:53:30 PM
Quote from: WichitaRoads on October 02, 2013, 12:39:27 PM
Whereas I can certainly get on board the word processing train, I'll refrain, and ask that we get back on topic... things road geeky, perhaps? :)
15 pages of it is also about TV, radio, food, computers, games, sports, and other assorted bric-a-brac.
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 02, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 02, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 02, 2013, 01:53:30 PMQuote from: WichitaRoads on October 02, 2013, 12:39:27 PM
Whereas I can certainly get on board the word processing train, I'll refrain, and ask that we get back on topic... things road geeky, perhaps? :)
15 pages of it is also about TV, radio, food, computers, games, sports, and other assorted bric-a-brac.
Well, what the heck, let's go TOTALLY off-track! You're too old if you remember that "Take on Me" was originally released on a 45-rpm record in a totally different recording from the version that later became a hit single and if you remember that said original version also had a video that was utterly different from the famous rotoscoped video now being spoofed in a Volkswagen commercial.
There may be video floating about online of me trying (and failing) to hit the high notes in that song during a game at Nationals Park last year.....
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Post by: hubcity on October 02, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
Post by: hubcity on October 02, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
No need to hit the high notes - just squeal uncontrollably while trying. That's comedy gold.
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 02, 2013, 05:00:36 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 02, 2013, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: hubcity on October 02, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
No need to hit the high notes - just squeal uncontrollably while trying. That's comedy gold.
Yeah, but I know the words. I have no chance of hitting that note, though. (Click thumbnail at your own risk!)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2Fth_Nationals2012postseason010_zpscfc58439.jpg&hash=d90e85087b49f037577a2e327ad4ca903f979328) (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Nationals2012postseason010_zpscfc58439.mp4)
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Post by: PHLBOS on October 02, 2013, 05:10:09 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 02, 2013, 05:10:09 PM
Seeing that baseball diamond pic. inspired me to post these two:
... when the St. Louis Cardinals was also a football team in addition to a baseball team.
... when Baltimore's football team was the Colts.
... when the St. Louis Cardinals was also a football team in addition to a baseball team.
... when Baltimore's football team was the Colts.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
you know you started following football at a very specific time when you still think of the team as the Phoenix Cardinals.
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Post by: ctsignguy on October 02, 2013, 10:25:28 PM
Post by: ctsignguy on October 02, 2013, 10:25:28 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 02, 2013, 05:10:09 PMYou are even WAYYYYYY older if you remember the Chicago Cardinals......the Brooklyn Dodgers.....the Boston Yanks.....the Dallas Texans....and the New York Bulldogs/Yanks of the NFL....
Seeing that baseball diamond pic. inspired me to post these two:
... when the St. Louis Cardinals was also a football team in addition to a baseball team.
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 02, 2013, 10:58:14 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 02, 2013, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 02, 2013, 05:10:09 PM
Seeing that baseball diamond pic. inspired me to post these two:
... when the St. Louis Cardinals was also a football team in addition to a baseball team.
... when Baltimore's football team was the Colts.
The picture is a link to a video. View it if you dare.
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Post by: msubulldog on October 03, 2013, 04:15:43 AM
Post by: msubulldog on October 03, 2013, 04:15:43 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
you know you started following football at a very specific time when you still think of the team as the Phoenix Cardinals.
Or the St Louis Cardinals. Speaking of which this brings back memories of the Los Angeles Rams, Los Angeles Raiders, Baltimore Colts, Boston Patriots, Houston Oilers, Dallas Texans, New York Titans, and Los Angeles Chargers.
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 07:48:31 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 07:48:31 AM
Quote from: msubulldog on October 03, 2013, 04:15:43 AMQuote from: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
you know you started following football at a very specific time when you still think of the team as the Phoenix Cardinals.
Or the St Louis Cardinals. Speaking of which this brings back memories of the Los Angeles Rams, Los Angeles Raiders, Baltimore Colts, Boston Patriots, Houston Oilers, Dallas Texans, New York Titans, and Los Angeles Chargers.
I think his point about the Phoenix Cardinals is that they only used that name for a very few years before changing it to Arizona Cardinals. In contrast, they were the St. Louis Cardinals for around 27 years.
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Post by: PHLBOS on October 03, 2013, 08:23:47 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 03, 2013, 08:23:47 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 02, 2013, 10:58:14 PMThe picture is a link to a video. View it if you dare.I'm well aware that it's a link to a video. Due to your earlier (Click thumbnail at your own risk!) comment in your previous post and the above-post; I declined.
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 09:46:09 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 09:46:09 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 03, 2013, 08:23:47 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on October 02, 2013, 10:58:14 PMThe picture is a link to a video. View it if you dare.I'm well aware that it's a link to a video. Due to your earlier (Click thumbnail at your own risk!) comment in your previous post and the above-post; I declined.
Sounds good. I just wasn't sure based on your prior post.
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Post by: kendancy66 on October 03, 2013, 10:56:07 AM
Post by: kendancy66 on October 03, 2013, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2013, 05:24:41 PM.
you know you started following football at a very specific time when you still think of the team as the Phoenix Cardinals.
You defintely fit the title of this thread, if you remember the Chicago Cardinals football team
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Post by: exit322 on October 03, 2013, 12:08:45 PM
Post by: exit322 on October 03, 2013, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
you know you started following football at a very specific time when you still think of the team as the Phoenix Cardinals.
Or you still play Tecmo...
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Post by: agentsteel53 on October 03, 2013, 12:58:38 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 03, 2013, 12:58:38 PM
I think there was one year of Tennessee Oilers.
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Post by: amroad17 on October 03, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
Post by: amroad17 on October 03, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
The ABA. Teams such as the Virginia Squires, Kentucky Colonels, Spirits of St. Louis, Memphis Tams/Sounds, San Diego Conquistadors/Sails, Miami Floridians (whose uniforms were similar to the ones used by the Flint Tropics in "Semi-Pro"), Baltimore Claws (which only lasted through the pre-season in 1975), and the Carolina Cougars. Players such as Zelmo Beatty, Artis Gilmore, Louie Dampier, Bill Melchionni, Mack Calvin, Billy Knight, Don Buse, and, the player with the biggest afro at the time, Darnell Hillman.
BTW, ESPN is doing a 30 for 30 film next week on the Spirits of St. Louis franchise called "Free Spirits." I'll be watching that.
BTW, ESPN is doing a 30 for 30 film next week on the Spirits of St. Louis franchise called "Free Spirits." I'll be watching that.
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 02:00:22 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 03, 2013, 12:58:38 PM
I think there was one year of Tennessee Oilers.
Close. Two years.
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Post by: msubulldog on October 03, 2013, 02:09:10 PM
Post by: msubulldog on October 03, 2013, 02:09:10 PM
At the midpoint of hour-long TV shows like The Dukes of Hazzard and Dallas, an announcer or cast member would say "(name of show) will continue" among stock footage from that show.
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Post by: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
"...after these messages!"
That seemed to disappear around 1985-86 or so. You still hear something similar on radio, because you can't just abruptly jump to an ad, unless a DJ says something annoyingly stupid to fill the void.
Now you get messages during the entirety of a program, sometimes constantly so. Along with constant "bug" to remind you that you're watching their channel.
That seemed to disappear around 1985-86 or so. You still hear something similar on radio, because you can't just abruptly jump to an ad, unless a DJ says something annoyingly stupid to fill the void.
Now you get messages during the entirety of a program, sometimes constantly so. Along with constant "bug" to remind you that you're watching their channel.
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on October 03, 2013, 02:09:10 PM
At the midpoint of hour-long TV shows like The Dukes of Hazzard and Dallas, an announcer or cast member would say "(name of show) will continue" among stock footage from that show.
Both of which aired on Friday night, too, even when Dallas was far and away the most popular show on TV. How times change.
Regarding the ad disclaimer, the FCC used to require that sort of language during programs aired at certain times of day when large numbers of kids were considered likely to be watching. I recall CHiPs had one commercial break where you'd hear a "CB broadcast" saying "Attention all units! CHiPs will return in a moment!" I don't remember it during Dallas because our parents did not allow us to stay up to watch that show. We were allowed to watch the Dukes and the Dallas theme song (mainly because my brother was really into football and liked seeing Texas Stadium) and then we had to go to bed.
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Post by: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 03:02:39 PM
Post by: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 03:02:39 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
I don't remember it during Dallas because our parents did not allow us to stay up to watch that show. We were allowed to watch the Dukes and the Dallas theme song (mainly because my brother was really into football and liked seeing Texas Stadium) and then we had to go to bed.
Same here. :-D "You were too young if you remember..."
I think I was able to catch a handful of episodes when three-day-weekends loomed on the horizon. Didn't hold my attention for long, although later on, Miami Vice did (near that same time slot).
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Post by: agentsteel53 on October 03, 2013, 03:03:38 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 03, 2013, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 02:38:00 PMyou can't just abruptly jump to an ad
why not?
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Post by: roadman65 on October 03, 2013, 03:53:48 PM
Post by: roadman65 on October 03, 2013, 03:53:48 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on October 03, 2013, 02:09:10 PMI remember the Rockford Files and the Love Boat would have two times during the commercial between Acts 2 & 3 which the first would have the announcer state the return of the show, and then the second would be right as the second half returned from the break with music.
At the midpoint of hour-long TV shows like The Dukes of Hazzard and Dallas, an announcer or cast member would say "(name of show) will continue" among stock footage from that show.
In season one of the Rockford Files you had the first commercial show reminder that had a slow harmonic version of the well known theme song that even in syndication now it is not played.
One thing about syndication, it leaves out vital parts of TV history as well as cutting out key scenes. I love All In The Family, but every episode leaves out a great joke or something like the one episode where the Meathead had trouble achieving an erection (as the younger marriage lives was centered around sex and being Liberal) Edith called Archie out of his favorite place: The John. Archie made the famous line "Why you selling the house" and then Edith pointed out how long he has been in the bathroom to have Archie furthermore say "Who are you, the official timekeeper!" In syndication you do not get that classic moment.
However, you can say one network MeTV is bringing back the closing theme songs as many have eliminated it for network TV show previews with the credits at the bottom in small fast letters flipping by. It is good to hear the ending of the Beverly Hillbillies closing song with the cast waving at the audience in sight as TBS and many others do not feature it.
You can say you are too old to remember the closing theme songs on television shows!
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Post by: theline on October 03, 2013, 03:58:13 PM
Post by: theline on October 03, 2013, 03:58:13 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
Now you get messages during the entirety of a program, sometimes constantly so.
This is because so many viewers are watching the program from a PVR recording and fast-forwarding through the commercials and other promotional messages. The only way they have to promote other shows in a way that is seen by all is to obtrusively place the promos duing the program material.
That's also way you see product placements in the programs.
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Post by: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
Post by: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 03, 2013, 03:03:38 PMQuote from: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 02:38:00 PMyou can't just abruptly jump to an ad
why not?
I'm not an expert, but I think the FCC requires some sort of "station identification" a certain number of times per hour. Perfect timing, I say...either change stations or fire up the iPod.
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Post by: PHLBOS on October 03, 2013, 04:18:51 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 03, 2013, 04:18:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 03, 2013, 03:53:48 PMOne thing about syndication, it leaves out vital parts of TV history as well as cutting out key scenes.That's because there's now increased commercial time. The actual running time of a 30-minute show used to be 25 minutes; now, it's 22 minutes.
It's even weirder when one station will air a show and cut bits-and-pieces but when it airs on another station, most of the cut scenes are at different spots.
The above was what prompted me to order every episode of M*A*S*H on DVD so I can see all the episodes as they originally aired. Some of the cut scenes in the syndicated reruns, I haven't seen since the episodes originally aired on CBS.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 03, 2013, 03:53:48 PMThe Antenna TV network (which debuted in early 2011) also shows the original closing credits of shows.
However, you can say one network MeTV is bringing back the closing theme songs as many have eliminated it for network TV show previews with the credits at the bottom in small fast letters flipping by.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 03, 2013, 03:53:48 PMYou can say you are too old to remember the closing theme songs on television shows!That may have been already covered several posts back.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on October 03, 2013, 05:27:23 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 03, 2013, 05:27:23 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
I'm not an expert, but I think the FCC requires some sort of "station identification" a certain number of times per hour. Perfect timing, I say...either change stations or fire up the iPod.
is this in perfect sync with how many commercial block beginnings there are in an hour?
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Post by: Brandon on October 03, 2013, 05:39:17 PM
Post by: Brandon on October 03, 2013, 05:39:17 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 03, 2013, 05:27:23 PMQuote from: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
I'm not an expert, but I think the FCC requires some sort of "station identification" a certain number of times per hour. Perfect timing, I say...either change stations or fire up the iPod.
is this in perfect sync with how many commercial block beginnings there are in an hour?
The FCC requires station identification at the top of the hour, within five minutes either way (:55 to :05 range) with the call sign and the city of registration. This goes for TV or radio (I know as I was on the radio at college - WMTU, Houghton, 91.9 FM).
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Post by: Henry on October 03, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Post by: Henry on October 03, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 03, 2013, 05:39:17 PMI always thought that the top of the hour would be the only time for the full ID; i.e. "WLS-AM, Chicago" at 7, 8, 9, etc. In the years before the Lite, Kiss, Magic, and Mix nicknames were created, the call letters were used a lot more frequently.Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 03, 2013, 05:27:23 PMQuote from: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
I'm not an expert, but I think the FCC requires some sort of "station identification" a certain number of times per hour. Perfect timing, I say...either change stations or fire up the iPod.
is this in perfect sync with how many commercial block beginnings there are in an hour?
The FCC requires station identification at the top of the hour, within five minutes either way (:55 to :05 range) with the call sign and the city of registration. This goes for TV or radio (I know as I was on the radio at college - WMTU, Houghton, 91.9 FM).
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 08:02:41 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 08:02:41 PM
Is that why, when you listen to sports on the radio, they always pause ten seconds for station identification at various times?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on October 03, 2013, 08:13:30 PM
Post by: mgk920 on October 03, 2013, 08:13:30 PM
(narrator voice)"(insert name of show here), A Quinn Martin production".
Mike
Mike
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Post by: lepidopteran on October 03, 2013, 08:20:15 PM
Post by: lepidopteran on October 03, 2013, 08:20:15 PM
When there were really only two ways to see a movie:
Also: when a movie being shown on TV was treated like an "event", and the networks bumpered the film with all kinds of upbeat music and animations. (Even more amazing how they were done in the days of limited or non-existent CGI technology.) Some links to examples below.
Caution: Nostalgic reactions may be severe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiuANdElLPI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiuANdElLPI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfdoU71fsHA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfdoU71fsHA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuzTfQM4nYE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuzTfQM4nYE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKF58isCFn8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKF58isCFn8)
and if you're really older...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Vs1TLqY_A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Vs1TLqY_A)
- When it was shown in the theaters.
- When "they put it on TV". By which I mean on one of the 3 networks in pre-cable days, though if you lived in a larger city there may have been one or more independent channels available.
Also: when a movie being shown on TV was treated like an "event", and the networks bumpered the film with all kinds of upbeat music and animations. (Even more amazing how they were done in the days of limited or non-existent CGI technology.) Some links to examples below.
Caution: Nostalgic reactions may be severe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiuANdElLPI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiuANdElLPI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfdoU71fsHA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfdoU71fsHA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuzTfQM4nYE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuzTfQM4nYE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKF58isCFn8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKF58isCFn8)
and if you're really older...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Vs1TLqY_A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Vs1TLqY_A)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: theline on October 03, 2013, 08:35:26 PM
Post by: theline on October 03, 2013, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 03, 2013, 08:02:41 PMYes.
Is that why, when you listen to sports on the radio, they always pause ten seconds for station identification at various times?
Quote from: mgk920 on October 03, 2013, 08:13:30 PMIf that's The Fugitive (the original TV series, with David Janssen) the narration was provided by the dulcet tones of William Conrad, who was later TV's rotund detective, Cannon. I get extra points for for being really, really old, since I know that William Conrad was first widely (pun intended) known for his portrayal of Matt Dillon in the radio version of Gunsmoke. It's not surprising that he was not chosen to recreate that role on TV.
(narrator voice)"(insert name of show here), A Quinn Martin production".
Mike
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Post by: theline on October 03, 2013, 08:51:55 PM
Post by: theline on October 03, 2013, 08:51:55 PM
Another one related to movie theaters: movies did not used to open "wide," in hunderds of theaters around the country at the same time. In the '60s and before, movies would first open in big theaters downtown in the largest cities. It would be many weeks before the most popular movies made their way to smaller towns. I've always assumed that because of the high cost of film stock, studios limited the number of prints they made.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on October 03, 2013, 09:11:08 PM
Post by: kkt on October 03, 2013, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on October 03, 2013, 08:20:15 PM
When there were really only two ways to see a movie:Some movies, like The Wizard of Oz, came to TV on a regular basis. But most of the time, if you missed the TV premiere, you might have to wait years for a chance to catch the movie again.
- When it was shown in the theaters.
- When "they put it on TV". By which I mean on one of the 3 networks in pre-cable days, though if you lived in a larger city there may have been one or more independent channels available.
There used to be second-run movie theaters, too, that showed movies that came out 6-12 months before, at a discount. It was another chance to see hit movies. There were also repertory movie theaters, that played movies 2 years old plus.
The second-run theaters are gone now, but there are still a few repertory theaters, maybe 1/4 as many as there were Before VHS.
Even when videocassettes were first introduced, they were less attractive than a theater. Home TV screens were rarely over 25 inches then, the screen would be okay for showing broadcast TV but nowhere near as good as a movie screen.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Big John on October 03, 2013, 09:47:34 PM
Post by: Big John on October 03, 2013, 09:47:34 PM
There are still a few second-run theaters left, but getting sparce too.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 10:27:42 PM
Post by: formulanone on October 03, 2013, 10:27:42 PM
They're called "dollar movies", which are great if have kids or missed the first-go-round. No high concession prices, no lines, nobody chooses to sit right behind you and talk. They're not high-tech in any way, but at least you're guaranteed all the screens are the same size (remember that?) within the same theater.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: SidS1045 on October 03, 2013, 11:07:36 PM
Post by: SidS1045 on October 03, 2013, 11:07:36 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 03, 2013, 05:39:17 PM
The FCC requires station identification at the top of the hour, within five minutes either way (:55 to :05 range) with the call sign and the city of registration. This goes for TV or radio (I know as I was on the radio at college - WMTU, Houghton, 91.9 FM).
Er, not quite right. I've been working on the engineering/IT side of radio for over 40 years, and this rule is the subject of more misunderstanding than almost any other FCC rule.
At one time, long ago, the rule was +/- *two* minutes, not five, but it hasn't been that way in over twenty years.
The pertinent portion of the rule states:
§ 73.1201 Station identification.
(a) When regularly required. Broadcast station identification announcements shall be made:
(1) At the beginning and ending of each time of operation, and
(2) Hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in program offerings. Television and Class A television broadcast stations may make these announcements visually or aurally.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 03, 2013, 11:10:22 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 03, 2013, 11:10:22 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 03, 2013, 08:13:30 PM
(narrator voice)"(insert name of show here), A Quinn Martin production".
Name of show was frequently "The FBI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F.B.I._%28TV_series%29) - in color."
With the closing credits featuring the lead star of the series, Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efrem_Zimbalist,_Jr.), driving a late-model Fort Motor Company product (often a Mustang) around the monumental core of the District of Columbia.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on October 04, 2013, 09:07:10 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 04, 2013, 09:07:10 AM
Quote from: theline on October 03, 2013, 08:51:55 PMJaws was the first movie to do such back in 1975.
Another one related to movie theaters: movies did not used to open "wide," in hunderds of theaters around the country at the same time.
Quote from: kkt on October 03, 2013, 09:11:08 PMEven when videocassettes were first introduced, they were less attractive than a theater. Home TV screens were rarely over 25 inches then, the screen would be okay for showing broadcast TV but nowhere near as good as a movie screen.The other issue with the older TVs was the aspect ratio was not condusive for wide-screen movies. In some of the movies made in Super/Ultra Panivision and/or CinemaScope; one would only see a third to half of the actual scenes.
That's one reason why my mother still goes to movie theaters (she's now old enough to get the senior rate); she wants to see the films (in her words) "the way God intended them to be seen". Being 76, she grew up in an era when movies were a much bigger thing/treat but still relatively affordable.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 03, 2013, 11:10:22 PMName of show was frequently "The FBI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F.B.I._%28TV_series%29) - in color."The opening of the very short-lived Police Squad series did similar; obviously making a parady of the older openings.
Speaking of color;
When NBC used to air this prior to a show starting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIxGyrQz_e8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIxGyrQz_e8)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on October 04, 2013, 09:15:42 AM
Post by: roadman on October 04, 2013, 09:15:42 AM
For years, The Wizard of Oz (which was one of my sister's two favorite movies of all time - the other one was It's a Wonderful Life) was shown on TV only once a year. IIRC, it usually aired sometime around Easter.
In the pre-cable TV network era, holiday-related specials were the same way - one airing per year. At Christmas, the only exception was It's a Wonderful Life, which was in public domain for quite some time (and, thus, shown on every TV station numerous times) until NBC re-purchased the rights several years back. There was a Cheers Christmas-themed episode where somebody commented that It's A Wonderful Life was showing on the bar TV, and somebody else remarked "Yep, It's a Wonderful Month on Channel 22 - they've been showing that non-stop."
In the pre-cable TV network era, holiday-related specials were the same way - one airing per year. At Christmas, the only exception was It's a Wonderful Life, which was in public domain for quite some time (and, thus, shown on every TV station numerous times) until NBC re-purchased the rights several years back. There was a Cheers Christmas-themed episode where somebody commented that It's A Wonderful Life was showing on the bar TV, and somebody else remarked "Yep, It's a Wonderful Month on Channel 22 - they've been showing that non-stop."
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on October 04, 2013, 09:19:51 AM
Post by: thenetwork on October 04, 2013, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 03, 2013, 03:53:48 PM
However, you can say one network MeTV is bringing back the closing theme songs as many have eliminated it for network TV show previews with the credits at the bottom in small fast letters flipping by. It is good to hear the ending of the Beverly Hillbillies closing song with the cast waving at the audience in sight as TBS and many others do not feature it.
You can say you are too old to remember the closing theme songs on television shows!
The way networks "spoiled" the closing credits of the shows way back when, was they had Booth Announcers read one or two descriptions of future shows (i.e. "Saturday...Gopher falls in love with the girl of his dreams...or is her sister?? On the Looooovve Boat, then on Fantasy Island, one couple is faced with a life or death dilemma. It all begins at 9 on Saturday. Next, stay tuned for Three's Company, on ABC."
By the time they got through their spiels, you maybe only heard about 10 seconds of the entire theme "in the clear".
But at least you could read all the credits in actual size!
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: bugo on October 04, 2013, 10:05:47 AM
Post by: bugo on October 04, 2013, 10:05:47 AM
I'm only 39, but "Indianapolis Colts", "Arizona (and Phoenix) Cardinals", and "St Louis Rams" all sound wrong to me.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Henry on October 04, 2013, 10:27:07 AM
Post by: Henry on October 04, 2013, 10:27:07 AM
Quote from: bugo on October 04, 2013, 10:05:47 AMAs do "Utah Jazz", "Los Angeles Lakers" and "New Orleans Hornets" (who are thankfully giving that nickname back to Charlotte one year from now).
I'm only 39, but "Indianapolis Colts", "Arizona (and Phoenix) Cardinals", and "St Louis Rams" all sound wrong to me.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: msubulldog on October 07, 2013, 09:44:22 PM
Post by: msubulldog on October 07, 2013, 09:44:22 PM
Some others:
1)Don Pardo being the announcer on Jeopardy! instead of Johnny Gilbert.
2)Popular shows having syndicated episodes with different titles (e.g., Jim Rockford, Private Investigator for reruns of The Rockford Files).
3)MLB players wearing their game jerseys during batting practice.
4)Being able to use oil company credit cards at motels (Gulf @ Holiday Inn, Exxon @ Howard Johnson's, Amoco @ Best Western or Quality Inn--to name a few).
1)Don Pardo being the announcer on Jeopardy! instead of Johnny Gilbert.
2)Popular shows having syndicated episodes with different titles (e.g., Jim Rockford, Private Investigator for reruns of The Rockford Files).
3)MLB players wearing their game jerseys during batting practice.
4)Being able to use oil company credit cards at motels (Gulf @ Holiday Inn, Exxon @ Howard Johnson's, Amoco @ Best Western or Quality Inn--to name a few).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on October 08, 2013, 04:32:51 PM
Post by: roadman on October 08, 2013, 04:32:51 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on October 07, 2013, 09:44:22 PMAs I recall, that practice was done only for shows that were airing first run episodes and having re-runs in syndication at the same time. I can think of several shows from the 1960s and 1970s (Beverly Hillbillies and F Troop among them) that never endured that fate because they ended prime time runs before going into syndication.
Popular shows having syndicated episodes with different titles (e.g., Jim Rockford, Private Investigator for reruns of The Rockford Files).
I once heard that the event that caused studios to finally stop the nonsense of "dual titles" was when M*A*S*H* was slated to go into syndication. The proposed title would have been 4077th MASH. Apparently, this change raised serious objections from the show's producers.
Of course, some shows had their titles changed during first-run as well for clarification. One of the best examples of this is when "Black Sheep Squadron" replaced "Baa Baa Black Sheep" as the show's title.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on October 08, 2013, 05:19:54 PM
Post by: formulanone on October 08, 2013, 05:19:54 PM
^ It's also a good thing that practice wasn't continued when Law & Order went into syndication.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on October 08, 2013, 05:40:20 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 08, 2013, 05:40:20 PM
Quote from: roadman on October 08, 2013, 04:32:51 PMI once heard that the event that caused studios to finally stop the nonsense of "dual titles" was when M*A*S*H* was slated to go into syndication. The proposed title would have been 4077th MASH. Apparently, this change raised serious objections from the show's producers.When Happy Days first went into morning reruns (but still on ABC); the titles stayed the same but when reruns started airing in the afternoon/evenings on other (UHF) stations; it was renamed Happy Days Again. IIRC, the latter occurred after M*A*S*H started airing reruns on other stations. Similar happened with Laverne & Shirley reruns being renamed Laverne & Shirley and Company.
Thankfully, reruns of those two shows (now occasionally on cable stations) go by the original names and titles.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: briantroutman on October 08, 2013, 05:54:15 PM
Post by: briantroutman on October 08, 2013, 05:54:15 PM
(emphasis added)
What?! Spoiled?! This fictional spiel would have been voiced by Ernie Anderson...perhaps the greatest network announcer ever.
Here is a clip of him on Letterman years ago...just an incredible talent.
http://bit.ly/1bWteFd
Quote from: thenetwork on October 04, 2013, 09:19:51 AM
The way networks "spoiled" the closing credits of the shows way back when, was they had Booth Announcers read one or two descriptions of future shows (i.e. "Saturday...Gopher falls in love with the girl of his dreams...or is her sister?? On the Looooovve Boat, then on Fantasy Island, one couple is faced with a life or death dilemma. It all begins at 9 on Saturday. Next, stay tuned for Three's Company, on ABC."
What?! Spoiled?! This fictional spiel would have been voiced by Ernie Anderson...perhaps the greatest network announcer ever.
Here is a clip of him on Letterman years ago...just an incredible talent.
http://bit.ly/1bWteFd
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on October 08, 2013, 07:58:59 PM
Post by: thenetwork on October 08, 2013, 07:58:59 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 08, 2013, 05:54:15 PM
(emphasis added)Quote from: thenetwork on October 04, 2013, 09:19:51 AM
The way networks "spoiled" the closing credits of the shows way back when, was they had Booth Announcers read one or two descriptions of future shows (i.e. "Saturday...Gopher falls in love with the girl of his dreams...or is her sister?? On the Looooovve Boat, then on Fantasy Island, one couple is faced with a life or death dilemma. It all begins at 9 on Saturday. Next, stay tuned for Three's Company, on ABC."
What?! Spoiled?! This fictional spiel would have been voiced by Ernie Anderson...perhaps the greatest network announcer ever.
Here is a clip of him on Letterman years ago...just an incredible talent.
http://bit.ly/1bWteFd
You are too old if you remember that Ernie Anderson's biggest claim to fame before he became the voice of ABC was being one of the first and one of the most famous Late Night B-Movie hosts of all time, Ghoulardi!
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Brandon on October 08, 2013, 09:43:41 PM
Post by: Brandon on October 08, 2013, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on October 08, 2013, 07:58:59 PMQuote from: briantroutman on October 08, 2013, 05:54:15 PM
(emphasis added)Quote from: thenetwork on October 04, 2013, 09:19:51 AM
The way networks "spoiled" the closing credits of the shows way back when, was they had Booth Announcers read one or two descriptions of future shows (i.e. "Saturday...Gopher falls in love with the girl of his dreams...or is her sister?? On the Looooovve Boat, then on Fantasy Island, one couple is faced with a life or death dilemma. It all begins at 9 on Saturday. Next, stay tuned for Three's Company, on ABC."
What?! Spoiled?! This fictional spiel would have been voiced by Ernie Anderson...perhaps the greatest network announcer ever.
Here is a clip of him on Letterman years ago...just an incredible talent.
http://bit.ly/1bWteFd
You are too old if you remember that Ernie Anderson's biggest claim to fame before he became the voice of ABC was being one of the first and one of the most famous Late Night B-Movie hosts of all time, Ghoulardi!
Is that anything like Svengoolie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svengoolie)?
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Post by: briantroutman on October 08, 2013, 11:55:06 PM
Post by: briantroutman on October 08, 2013, 11:55:06 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 08, 2013, 09:43:41 PMQuote from: thenetwork on October 08, 2013, 07:58:59 PM
Ghoulardi!
Is that anything like Svengoolie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svengoolie)?
BERWYN!
They're very much in the same vein: "horror hosts".
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_host
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hbelkins on October 09, 2013, 11:08:24 AM
Post by: hbelkins on October 09, 2013, 11:08:24 AM
I remember when this thread wasn't in Off-Topic. :bigass:
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on October 09, 2013, 01:28:26 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 09, 2013, 01:28:26 PM
A few for eastern Massachusetts:
North Shore Shopping Center (rather than Mall)
Jordan Marsh (department store)
Filenes (including Filenes Basement) (both department stores)
When Levitz (furniture store) was called J. Homestock
Woolworth's
Child World being the toy store.
J.M. Fields (department store)
Pargon Park
Amusements along Revere Beach
Towns like Marblehead & Nahant having more than one gas station present & open. Neither town has any now.
North Shore Shopping Center (rather than Mall)
Jordan Marsh (department store)
Filenes (including Filenes Basement) (both department stores)
When Levitz (furniture store) was called J. Homestock
Woolworth's
Child World being the toy store.
J.M. Fields (department store)
Pargon Park
Amusements along Revere Beach
Towns like Marblehead & Nahant having more than one gas station present & open. Neither town has any now.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:29:47 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:29:47 PM
add Lechmere, Zayre, Caldor, etc, to the list of defunct New England department stores.
I believe Zayre's successor, Ames, is gone as well.
I believe Zayre's successor, Ames, is gone as well.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on October 09, 2013, 01:30:55 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 09, 2013, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:29:47 PMWill the MBTA ever rename that Green Line station?
add Lechmere
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:35:53 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:35:53 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 09, 2013, 01:30:55 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:29:47 PMWill the MBTA ever rename that Green Line station?
add Lechmere
I don't believe there is reason to. it's a well-known landmark.
just like no one's really renamed the Sears Tower.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on October 09, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 09, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:29:47 PM
add Lechmere, Zayre, Caldor, etc, to the list of defunct New England department stores.
I believe Zayre's successor, Ames, is gone as well.
I remember Zayre's in the DC area too. We briefly had one Caldor in a former Lord & Taylor store. It's now a Sears.
For those of you in the DC area, anyone else remember the Washington Shopping Plate? It was a credit card issued locally for use at a number of DC-area merchants, all of which are now defunct: Hecht's, Jelleff's, Kann's, Lansburgh's, Raleigh's, Woodward & Lothrop, and Garfinckel's. The card was light blue (similar to the shade associated with baby boys) and it did not have a magnetic strip; I don't remember how they authorized the charges. My father had one and it was still accepted at Hecht's right up until they were converted to Macy's in 2006, so he insisted on using it, much to my mother's embarrassment because invariably the younger employees had never seen one before, had no idea what it was, and wouldn't accept it until an older employee came over to see what the problem was, recognized the card, and showed them what to do.
Garfinckel's was the first DC-area department store to accept a non-local charge card (American Express). I recall it was also very clear that black people were not welcome in the flagship Garfinckel's downtown even in the late 1970s, even though legal segregation was long gone.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 09, 2013, 04:48:08 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 09, 2013, 04:48:08 PM
Paying tolls on the Autoroute system in Quebec, in particular on A 15 between the U.S. border and Montreal and (what is now) A 20 (I think it had a different route number in the 1960's) between the Ontario border and Montreal.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on October 09, 2013, 04:55:56 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 09, 2013, 04:55:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 09, 2013, 02:28:06 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:29:47 PM
add Lechmere, Zayre, Caldor, etc, to the list of defunct New England department stores.
I believe Zayre's successor, Ames, is gone as well.
I remember Zayre's in the DC area too. We briefly had one Caldor in a former Lord & Taylor store. It's now a Sears.
Zayres was, IMO, in many ways a predecessor to WalMart, though WalMart is much better in terms of inventory, selection and even customer service.
In other words, Zayres was a miserable place to shop.
Another chain that competed (in some ways) with Zayres in the east was E J Korvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._J._Korvette).
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 09, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
For those of you in the DC area, anyone else remember the Washington Shopping Plate? It was a credit card issued locally for use at a number of DC-area merchants, all of which are now defunct: Hecht's, Jelleff's, Kann's, Lansburgh's, Raleigh's, Woodward & Lothrop, and Garfinckel's. The card was light blue (similar to the shade associated with baby boys) and it did not have a magnetic strip; I don't remember how they authorized the charges. My father had one and it was still accepted at Hecht's right up until they were converted to Macy's in 2006, so he insisted on using it, much to my mother's embarrassment because invariably the younger employees had never seen one before, had no idea what it was, and wouldn't accept it until an older employee came over to see what the problem was, recognized the card, and showed them what to do.
Garfinckel's was the first DC-area department store to accept a non-local charge card (American Express). I recall it was also very clear that black people were not welcome in the flagship Garfinckel's downtown even in the late 1970s, even though legal segregation was long gone.
My late Mother had one of those Washington Shopping Plates. She used it at Woodward & Lothrop and Hecht Company.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 05:49:31 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 09, 2013, 04:55:56 PME J Korvettes
sounds like the name of a white-supremacist porn star.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: msubulldog on October 09, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Post by: msubulldog on October 09, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
I think Zayre's had a lot of stores in the mid-south--them and Jitney Jungle.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 10, 2013, 06:22:35 AM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 10, 2013, 06:22:35 AM
... when this thread was in General Highway Talk :sombrero:
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on October 10, 2013, 03:00:06 PM
Post by: roadman on October 10, 2013, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 09, 2013, 01:30:55 PMNo. Because the station is named for Lechmere Square, not the department store - which took its name from the square, and not the other way around. Before they cloned themselves into shopping malls (which is what eventually killed them off), Lechmere Sales' only location was where the CambridgeSide Galleria is now. Thier original logo included a typical Cambridge gas street lamp.Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:29:47 PMWill the MBTA ever rename that Green Line station?
add Lechmere
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Takumi on October 10, 2013, 10:54:15 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 10, 2013, 10:54:15 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:29:47 PMI *barely* remember Zayre. It closed in 1988, IIRC, and since I was born in 1986 I don't have much memory of it. Interestingly, Zayre's two spin-off stores, TJ Maxx and Marshall's, are both doing well.
add Lechmere, Zayre, Caldor, etc, to the list of defunct New England department stores.
I believe Zayre's successor, Ames, is gone as well.
I remember an Ames being around semi-locally until 1992 or so, but the chain closed about 10 years later.
Another defunct New England chain store would be Bradlees. The local one lasted until 1996, but the chain closed around the same time Ames did.
A Richmond-based department store chain I barely remember is Thalheimers. It mostly was present in Virginia and the Carolinas. It was bought by Hecht's in 1991 I believe, and became said store about a year later. Hecht's was itself bought out by Macy's when I was in college.
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Post by: kkt on October 10, 2013, 11:18:22 PM
Post by: kkt on October 10, 2013, 11:18:22 PM
The City of Paris department store on Union Square in San Francisco. Damned shame, that building survived the 1906 earthquake and fire but couldn't survive Neiman Marcus.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on October 11, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Post by: roadman65 on October 11, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Being able to walk from the gate to the curb at all airports holding a lit cigarette.
Being able to not only meet your party at the gate proper, but to walk on a plane without being screened.
Being able to drive in Manhattan on a Saturday without any traffic.
When a store called Two Guys in North Jersey were everywhere and Howard Johnson had their diners throughout the nation.
When toll roads did not have chain restaurants in service plazas.
Being able to not only meet your party at the gate proper, but to walk on a plane without being screened.
Being able to drive in Manhattan on a Saturday without any traffic.
When a store called Two Guys in North Jersey were everywhere and Howard Johnson had their diners throughout the nation.
When toll roads did not have chain restaurants in service plazas.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: PHLBOS on October 11, 2013, 09:19:39 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 11, 2013, 09:19:39 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 11, 2013, 09:01:21 AMI'm surpised you didn't mention Smoking sections on flights.
Being able to walk from the gate to the curb at all airports holding a lit cigarette.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 11, 2013, 09:01:21 AMWhen toll roads did not have chain restaurants in service plazas.What would you call Howard Johnson's? Those were at every service plaza along the MA, NJ & PA Turnpikes in their earlier decades of operation and there were non-turnpike HoJos around as well. Sounds like a chain restaurant to me.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on October 11, 2013, 12:08:15 PM
Post by: kkt on October 11, 2013, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 11, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Being able to drive in Manhattan on a Saturday without any traffic.
I thought Manhattan was insanely crowded from prior to the Civil War on?
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Post by: Brandon on October 11, 2013, 12:14:41 PM
Post by: Brandon on October 11, 2013, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 11, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
When toll roads did not have chain restaurants in service plazas.
In Illinois, they have always had chain restaurants. Illinois started with Fred Harvey, then Howard Johnson's, then the fast food.
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Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2013, 04:54:37 PM
Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2013, 04:54:37 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 11, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Being able to walk from the gate to the curb at all airports holding a lit cigarette.
Thank goodness some things are history. You'll still catch an occasional 1970s-80s movie with smokers in the office, and they're not necessarily portrayed as negative.
QuoteBeing able to not only meet your party at the gate proper...
This is a rare sight anymore. I fly nearly every week, and upon the rare moment you see this (usually permitted if picking up a minor/child), you're almost taken by surprise.
QuoteWhen a store called Two Guys in North Jersey were everywhere and Howard Johnson had their diners throughout the nation.
Heh, I remember my folks seemed to use them as their department store of choice, when I was very little. Don't remember anything memorable from the HoJo's, although we'd wind up at our fair share of those diners when traveling.
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Post by: msubulldog on October 11, 2013, 07:24:19 PM
Post by: msubulldog on October 11, 2013, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 11, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Being able to walk from the gate to the curb at all airports holding a lit cigarette.
Being able to not only meet your party at the gate proper, but to walk on a plane without being screened.
How about when you had to walk through the elements to board or leave an airplane--no jetways? Or how about the people movers at Dulles and the old Atlanta terminal that came up to the plane for boarding and deplaning?
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Post by: kkt on October 11, 2013, 07:29:37 PM
Post by: kkt on October 11, 2013, 07:29:37 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on October 11, 2013, 07:24:19 PMQuote from: roadman65 on October 11, 2013, 09:01:21 AMHow about when you had to walk through the elements to board or leave an airplane--no jetways? Or how about the people movers at Dulles and the old Atlanta terminal that came up to the plane for boarding and deplaning?
Being able to walk from the gate to the curb at all airports holding a lit cigarette.
Being able to not only meet your party at the gate proper, but to walk on a plane without being screened.
Free stuff when flying: deck of cards with backs featuring a DC-3 in airline's paint scheme, magazines, newspapers, plastic jewelry or plane models for the kids.
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Post by: OracleUsr on October 11, 2013, 08:40:04 PM
Post by: OracleUsr on October 11, 2013, 08:40:04 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on October 11, 2013, 07:24:19 PMQuote from: roadman65 on October 11, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Being able to walk from the gate to the curb at all airports holding a lit cigarette.
Being able to not only meet your party at the gate proper, but to walk on a plane without being screened.
How about when you had to walk through the elements to board or leave an airplane--no jetways? Or how about the people movers at Dulles and the old Atlanta terminal that came up to the plane for boarding and deplaning?
JFK Airport had that too. We were shuttled in one to a 747 waiting to head to London.
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Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on October 11, 2013, 07:24:19 PM
How about when you had to walk through the elements to board or leave an airplane--no jetways? Or how about the people movers at Dulles and the old Atlanta terminal that came up to the plane for boarding and deplaning?
If take any commuter/regional jets through Denver and Houston, United will gladly remind you of the old days, regardless of the weather. USAir does it on a tiny handful of their props at Charlotte, too...naturally, many regional airports also lack jetways, but there's probably not too many places in America where you're exposed to the elements on a medium-sized jet (say, an MD88/737/A319).
I've seen the little busses tucked away for Dulles and Atlanta. I wonder how they managed in ATL a few months back when the Plane Train broke down for a few hours...
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Post by: Big John on October 11, 2013, 11:41:59 PM
Post by: Big John on October 11, 2013, 11:41:59 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 11, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
I wonder how they managed in ATL a few months back when the Plane Train broke down for a few hours...
Odd thing in that airport is that you can use the moving sidewalks instead on the train between concourses. Most people take the train. But there are no moving sidewalks in the concourses themselves where they would be a lot more useful.
And United make you go outside on the small planes at O'Hare too.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on October 12, 2013, 02:00:07 AM
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 12, 2013, 02:00:07 AM
Quote from: formulanone on October 11, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
I've seen the little busses tucked away for Dulles and Atlanta.
That's because they are still used to transport arriving passengers on international flights from the midfield terminals at Dulles to immigration and customs.
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Post by: place-saint-henri on October 12, 2013, 03:35:52 AM
Post by: place-saint-henri on October 12, 2013, 03:35:52 AM
for all us Quebeckers here:
If you remember when you could get ENGLISH service no questions asked anywhere in Downtown Montreal and when you didn't need to know a word of French to live here, you could have a professional career as a unilingual anglophone and if you were an immigrant you could choose to send your children to *god forbid* english schools!
When the Metro was only three lines and there were no articulated buses.
WHEN WE HAD A BASEBALL TEAM and the Olympic Stadium wasn't falling down.
When there were referendums on whether or not we would stay in Canada or not (if you remember the "OUI" and "non, Merci" buttons everyone had)
When walking down Rue Ontario Est in Hochelaga or Rue St-Jacques in St-Henri was actually really dangerous because of the biker gang wars.
Names like Robert Bourassa, Rene Levesque, Pierre-Marc Johnson, Nick Auf der Maur, Jean Drapeau, Jean Dore, and Camille Laurin ring a bell for you.
"On etait battu par l'argent pis le vote ethnique" absolutely made you mad as hell and when you heard Jacques Parizeau say it you felt shame to be from here.
the 35 Bus ran from Ville-Emard to Concordia University
there were no young hip kids in the Plateau and it was generally an area you avoided.
It was a BIG DEAL when the Olympics came to town and/or you went to Expo 67.
As divided and screwey as it was, I kind of miss Montreal of the 1980s, it was definitely a different place and I can appreciate some of the quirkyness you found in this city back than that you don't now.
If you remember when you could get ENGLISH service no questions asked anywhere in Downtown Montreal and when you didn't need to know a word of French to live here, you could have a professional career as a unilingual anglophone and if you were an immigrant you could choose to send your children to *god forbid* english schools!
When the Metro was only three lines and there were no articulated buses.
WHEN WE HAD A BASEBALL TEAM and the Olympic Stadium wasn't falling down.
When there were referendums on whether or not we would stay in Canada or not (if you remember the "OUI" and "non, Merci" buttons everyone had)
When walking down Rue Ontario Est in Hochelaga or Rue St-Jacques in St-Henri was actually really dangerous because of the biker gang wars.
Names like Robert Bourassa, Rene Levesque, Pierre-Marc Johnson, Nick Auf der Maur, Jean Drapeau, Jean Dore, and Camille Laurin ring a bell for you.
"On etait battu par l'argent pis le vote ethnique" absolutely made you mad as hell and when you heard Jacques Parizeau say it you felt shame to be from here.
the 35 Bus ran from Ville-Emard to Concordia University
there were no young hip kids in the Plateau and it was generally an area you avoided.
It was a BIG DEAL when the Olympics came to town and/or you went to Expo 67.
As divided and screwey as it was, I kind of miss Montreal of the 1980s, it was definitely a different place and I can appreciate some of the quirkyness you found in this city back than that you don't now.
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Post by: Brandon on October 15, 2013, 01:35:56 PM
Post by: Brandon on October 15, 2013, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on October 11, 2013, 07:24:19 PM
How about when you had to walk through the elements to board or leave an airplane--no jetways?
Bob Hope Airport (Burbank, CA) says hello.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on October 15, 2013, 01:45:10 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 15, 2013, 01:45:10 PM
Cabo San Lucas is that way; not that "the elements" are all that tough to endure!
I can't think of any in the US that have had that as a regular feature, but I've never flown out of Burbank. I have had it happen on occasion when one of the jetways wasn't working, so they rolled up a staircase and walked us across the tarmac. Cincy comes to mind, a few years back, but I think it was a malfunction that could have happened anywhere.
I can't think of any in the US that have had that as a regular feature, but I've never flown out of Burbank. I have had it happen on occasion when one of the jetways wasn't working, so they rolled up a staircase and walked us across the tarmac. Cincy comes to mind, a few years back, but I think it was a malfunction that could have happened anywhere.
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Post by: corco on October 15, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
Post by: corco on October 15, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 11, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
but there's probably not too many places in America where you're exposed to the elements on a medium-sized jet (say, an MD88/737/A319).
The Boise airport is the only one I know of- when Alaska runs 737s on the BOI-SEA route you have to walk out onto the tarmac to board- Boise has plenty of jetways, but the Alaska/Horizon wing of the airport doesn't have any, since the vast majority of those flights are on Q400s (Boise has I think 8 daily flights to Seattle, 7 of which are on Q400s, and then all the other Alaska routes out of Boise are on Q400s too)
But yeah, in this part of the country more often than not when I fly I end up walking to a plane on the tarmac for at least one leg.
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 15, 2013, 02:31:39 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 15, 2013, 02:31:39 PM
I used boarding stairs on a 747 at Heathrow when my flight arrived an hour early once. They sent us to a remote stand, pushed up boarding stairs, and had us take buses to the terminal. There were a lot of boarding stairs available in that area, suggesting to me it was a regular occurrence. (For the flight home, in contrast, we boarded directly from the waiting lounge, but "R" class travel was a bit different from the subsonics!)
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Post by: J N Winkler on October 15, 2013, 02:46:51 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on October 15, 2013, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on October 11, 2013, 07:24:19 PMHow about when you had to walk through the elements to board or leave an airplane--no jetways?
As several others have said, it is still a fairly routine occurrence. Budget airlines (which tend to fly workhorse Boeing 737s or the Airbus equivalents) routinely board their passengers without jetbridges in much of Europe, particularly at smaller airports. In the US it is particularly common with commuter flights, even at major hub airports like O'Hare.
This practice causes all sorts of problems for disabled passengers--the mobility-limited have trouble with stairs while people with vision or hearing impairments often end up in the wrong plane--so I would like to see it come to an end. However, it doesn't rank nearly as high on my personal priority list as ensuring that passengers can carry water bottles and refill them with tap water between security screening and boarding the aircraft.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on October 15, 2013, 02:59:39 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 15, 2013, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on October 15, 2013, 02:46:51 PMHowever, it doesn't rank nearly as high on my personal priority list as ensuring that passengers can carry water bottles and refill them with tap water between security screening and boarding the aircraft.
you've been hassled over an empty water bottle?
the "no liquids" rule seems to be a protection racket for vendors of overpriced bottled water.
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Post by: Brandon on October 15, 2013, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: Brandon on October 15, 2013, 03:52:00 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 15, 2013, 02:59:39 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on October 15, 2013, 02:46:51 PMHowever, it doesn't rank nearly as high on my personal priority list as ensuring that passengers can carry water bottles and refill them with tap water between security screening and boarding the aircraft.
you've been hassled over an empty water bottle?
the "no liquids" rule seems to be a protection racket for vendors of overpriced bottled water.
That's been my suspicion for quite some time. If it is so damned important we not carry bottled drinks through security, then the bottled drinks on the far side of security should be market price or lower. Instead, they're often two to three times as much as at the 7-11 outside.
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Post by: J N Winkler on October 15, 2013, 03:57:57 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on October 15, 2013, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 15, 2013, 02:59:39 PMyou've been hassled over an empty water bottle?
I have not had that experience yet, but on the other hand I have not attempted to fly with a full water bottle out of an airport that has security checkpoints at the boarding gate (such as Amsterdam Schiphol or Zürich Kloten) since the ban was introduced in 2006. (I did fly out of Schiphol in 2007, but arrived at the gate late and did not have a chance to explore what, if any, opportunities there were for visiting the bathroom or refilling a water bottle after clearing the checkpoint. When I last flew out of Kloten in 2004, the security checkpoints were actually clustered so that they serve several gates at once, and I am reasonably certain there was at least a bathroom past security.)
Quotethe "no liquids" rule seems to be a protection racket for vendors of overpriced bottled water.
One element of this racket is marking taps, which almost certainly have to be fed from a public piped water supply, as "Not drinking water." And years ago, when I caught an Eurostar train from London Waterloo (which was then the departure station for Paris and Brussels services--they now leave from London St. Pancras), I cleared airport-style security and then had to deal with a janitor in the bathroom who was trying to discourage me from refilling my water bottle there.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on October 20, 2013, 10:02:49 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 20, 2013, 10:02:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 15, 2013, 02:31:39 PM
I used boarding stairs on a 747 at Heathrow when my flight arrived an hour early once. They sent us to a remote stand, pushed up boarding stairs, and had us take buses to the terminal. There were a lot of boarding stairs available in that area, suggesting to me it was a regular occurrence. (For the flight home, in contrast, we boarded directly from the waiting lounge, but "R" class travel was a bit different from the subsonics!)
I have boarded both 747s and 777s at Heathrow having to ride a bus to the aircraft and then shlump up the stairs.
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Post by: thenetwork on October 20, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
Post by: thenetwork on October 20, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
You Are Too Old If You Remember....
....The Cleveland Browns with a legitimate shot at the playoffs halfway into the season. They way QB Brandon Weedon played today -- and last week -- stick a fork in them, they are done for the season!!!
....The Cleveland Browns with a legitimate shot at the playoffs halfway into the season. They way QB Brandon Weedon played today -- and last week -- stick a fork in them, they are done for the season!!!
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Post by: Alps on October 21, 2013, 07:54:57 PM
Post by: Alps on October 21, 2013, 07:54:57 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on October 20, 2013, 10:13:22 PMThey had a legitimate shot within the last 10 years, IIRC. 2007 they were 10-6.
You Are Too Old If You Remember....
....The Cleveland Browns with a legitimate shot at the playoffs halfway into the season. They way QB Brandon Weedon played today -- and last week -- stick a fork in them, they are done for the season!!!
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Post by: thenetwork on October 21, 2013, 08:29:41 PM
Post by: thenetwork on October 21, 2013, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 21, 2013, 07:54:57 PMQuote from: thenetwork on October 20, 2013, 10:13:22 PMThey had a legitimate shot within the last 10 years, IIRC. 2007 they were 10-6.
You Are Too Old If You Remember....
....The Cleveland Browns with a legitimate shot at the playoffs halfway into the season. They way QB Brandon Weedon played today -- and last week -- stick a fork in them, they are done for the season!!!
But to most Cleveland fans, that was the anomaly in the 20+ years of subpar playing.
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Post by: Alps on October 21, 2013, 08:35:16 PM
Post by: Alps on October 21, 2013, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on October 21, 2013, 08:29:41 PMYes, but it goes against your "too old" thing. I remember them being "pretty good" quite recently, and that confirmed it.Quote from: Steve on October 21, 2013, 07:54:57 PMQuote from: thenetwork on October 20, 2013, 10:13:22 PMThey had a legitimate shot within the last 10 years, IIRC. 2007 they were 10-6.
You Are Too Old If You Remember....
....The Cleveland Browns with a legitimate shot at the playoffs halfway into the season. They way QB Brandon Weedon played today -- and last week -- stick a fork in them, they are done for the season!!!
But to most Cleveland fans, that was the anomaly in the 20+ years of subpar playing.
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Post by: ZLoth on October 22, 2013, 03:56:25 PM
Post by: ZLoth on October 22, 2013, 03:56:25 PM
You know you are old when:
- You remember the Buffalo Bills being in the playoffs
- The Detroit Lions being NFL Champions
- The New York Jets being in the Super Bowl
- The Chicago Cubs being in the world series
- Howard Cosell doing boxing play-by-play
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Post by: hbelkins on October 22, 2013, 08:50:05 PM
Post by: hbelkins on October 22, 2013, 08:50:05 PM
The American Basketball Association and the red/white/blue ball.
The ACC experimenting with a three-point shot that was inside the top of the key.
The AL with no designated hitter.
Football goalposts at the goal line.
Chicago with Terry Kath, Peter Cetera and Danny Seraphine.
Kiss with Ace Frehley and Peter Criss.
Black Sabbath with Ronnie James Dio.
Black Sabbath with Ozzy Osbourne and Bill Ward.
The ACC experimenting with a three-point shot that was inside the top of the key.
The AL with no designated hitter.
Football goalposts at the goal line.
Chicago with Terry Kath, Peter Cetera and Danny Seraphine.
Kiss with Ace Frehley and Peter Criss.
Black Sabbath with Ronnie James Dio.
Black Sabbath with Ozzy Osbourne and Bill Ward.
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 22, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 22, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
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Post by: roadman65 on October 23, 2013, 06:56:29 AM
Post by: roadman65 on October 23, 2013, 06:56:29 AM
When Peter Gabriel was with Genesis as lead vocalist while Phil Collins was just a drummer.
When Eric Clapton came out with I Shot The Sheriff.
When tied died shirts were in style both in the 70's and then again for a brief stint in the 90's. However in Orlando, FL it did not catch on as well especially when the Seaside Heights, NJ Boardwalk was selling the icons, people were already stating to me that " I was wearing something out of style."
When Sammy Hagar was with Van Halen and David Lee Roth was public enemy number one to Eddie Van Halen. Now the two reconciled, and Sammy Hagar is the foe along with VH former bassist Michael Anthony. However, I remember when Roth was with them the first time and both Diver Down and 1984 were both released as well.
When Eric Clapton came out with I Shot The Sheriff.
When tied died shirts were in style both in the 70's and then again for a brief stint in the 90's. However in Orlando, FL it did not catch on as well especially when the Seaside Heights, NJ Boardwalk was selling the icons, people were already stating to me that " I was wearing something out of style."
When Sammy Hagar was with Van Halen and David Lee Roth was public enemy number one to Eddie Van Halen. Now the two reconciled, and Sammy Hagar is the foe along with VH former bassist Michael Anthony. However, I remember when Roth was with them the first time and both Diver Down and 1984 were both released as well.
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Post by: elsmere241 on October 23, 2013, 09:46:52 AM
Post by: elsmere241 on October 23, 2013, 09:46:52 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 22, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
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When a telephone actually rang by a hammer hitting a bell.
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Post by: Brandon on October 23, 2013, 09:47:55 AM
Post by: Brandon on October 23, 2013, 09:47:55 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 22, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
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Shoot, I remember rotary dials on phones. We had a rental phone from Illinois Bell (Ameritech) while I was growing up (1980-1990 range). Then we got a touch-tone phone (1990-2006 range). Then it was all cell phones, no landlines. I still find it interesting when I get asked for a home phone number and have to answer back that I only have one phone (the cell phone).
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Post by: kkt on October 23, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
Post by: kkt on October 23, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
Phones that had no dial or buttons... pick up the handset and tell the operator who you want to call.
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Post by: hbelkins on October 23, 2013, 11:12:04 AM
Post by: hbelkins on October 23, 2013, 11:12:04 AM
And not only did I grow up with a rotary phone, but a party line. There were four homes on the party line and you couldn't make or receive a call if another party was on the line. If someone called you, they got a busy signal. If you picked up the phone to call someone, you could hear the conversation the other person on the party line was having.
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Post by: J N Winkler on October 23, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
Post by: J N Winkler on October 23, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 23, 2013, 11:12:04 AMAnd not only did I grow up with a rotary phone, but a party line. There were four homes on the party line and you couldn't make or receive a call if another party was on the line. If someone called you, they got a busy signal. If you picked up the phone to call someone, you could hear the conversation the other person on the party line was having.
The cost of a party line increased as the number of subscribers sharing the line decreased. My grandmother, who was born in 1919 and spent most of her working years at Southwestern Bell, used to tell stories about people being billed for four- or two-party lines when what was actually provided was an eight-party line. At this remove it would be very hard to determine how widespread this (fraudulent) practice was, but I can see it being tempting since there is no way to determine exactly how many billed parties have access to a given telephone line just by counting the number of distinct voices that are heard.
The Lederer sisters (Dear Abby and Ann Landers), who are now both dead and whose newspaper advice columns are now fitting for a "You are too old if you remember . . ." thread, started their careers by, among other things, advising readers on what to do with sensitive, confidential, or embarrassing information unintentionally overheard on a telephone party line.
In the US party lines were the favored method for rationing access to telephonic communication at a time when that was quite expensive, but I don't think that preference held abroad. Older people in Britain remember the days immediately after World War II when telephones were a Post Office monopoly and the waiting list to get a phone (I am pretty sure single-party lines were the only option offered) was so long that people pretended to be doctors in order to jump the queue.
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Post by: DeaconG on October 23, 2013, 11:13:55 PM
Post by: DeaconG on October 23, 2013, 11:13:55 PM
First generation anime on UHF stations across the northeast during the sixties. Gigantor, Astro Boy, Eighth Man, Prince Planet, Marine Boy, Speed Racer...oh, how you guys are missed!
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Post by: PHLBOS on October 24, 2013, 08:58:38 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 24, 2013, 08:58:38 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on October 23, 2013, 11:13:55 PMYou forgot Kimba, the White Lion. :sombrero:
First generation anime on UHF stations across the northeast during the sixties. Gigantor, Astro Boy, Eighth Man, Prince Planet, Marine Boy, Speed Racer...oh, how you guys are missed!
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Post by: 1995hoo on October 24, 2013, 09:26:14 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 24, 2013, 09:26:14 AM
Then in the 1970s there was Star Blazers.
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Post by: mgk920 on October 24, 2013, 01:31:59 PM
Post by: mgk920 on October 24, 2013, 01:31:59 PM
...the 'cool' male classmates being into modifying, showing and cruising cars.
Mike
Mike
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Post by: Takumi on October 24, 2013, 05:52:55 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 24, 2013, 05:52:55 PM
That still happens. The cars are just different now.
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Post by: DaBigE on October 24, 2013, 08:11:59 PM
Post by: DaBigE on October 24, 2013, 08:11:59 PM
- when only emergency services were open on Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Easter and you had to make sure you filled your tank the day before
- when Black Friday didn't begin until 5am FRIDAY :-o
- when you anxiously waited the arrival of the Sears and JCPenny Christmas Catalogs
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Post by: DeaconG on October 24, 2013, 08:32:24 PM
Post by: DeaconG on October 24, 2013, 08:32:24 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 24, 2013, 08:58:38 AMQuote from: DeaconG on October 23, 2013, 11:13:55 PMYou forgot Kimba, the White Lion. :sombrero:
First generation anime on UHF stations across the northeast during the sixties. Gigantor, Astro Boy, Eighth Man, Prince Planet, Marine Boy, Speed Racer...oh, how you guys are missed!
And Johnny Cypher in Dimension Zero!
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Post by: PHLBOS on October 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on October 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM
I posted this in the "Study: Teens can't afford to drive" thread and thought it would be appropriate for this thread as well:
Car phones (precursor to cellular phones):
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Note: none of these would be allowed in any states that ban the use of handheld phones while driving; although the first pic. clearly shows that the driver is stopped or parked while dialing.
To be fair, the car phone in the second pic. could be a type from only 10 to 15 years ago.
Car phones (precursor to cellular phones):
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Note: none of these would be allowed in any states that ban the use of handheld phones while driving; although the first pic. clearly shows that the driver is stopped or parked while dialing.
To be fair, the car phone in the second pic. could be a type from only 10 to 15 years ago.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 25, 2013, 06:38:59 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 25, 2013, 06:38:59 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 23, 2013, 11:12:04 AM
And not only did I grow up with a rotary phone, but a party line. There were four homes on the party line and you couldn't make or receive a call if another party was on the line. If someone called you, they got a busy signal. If you picked up the phone to call someone, you could hear the conversation the other person on the party line was having.
Never experienced a party line on the old AT&T Bell operating companies, but they were somewhat common in parts of Virginia that were served by so-called "independent" companies like Continental Telephone (later merged into GT&E and now part of Verizon). I recall that different numbers on the party line had their own ringing pattern, so the "correct" party knew to pick up the phone.
There was also some stern text in the front of the phone books stating that it was a crime to refuse to give-up a party line for an emergeny telephone call.
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Post by: hbelkins on October 25, 2013, 10:37:25 PM
Post by: hbelkins on October 25, 2013, 10:37:25 PM
We had Southern Bell, which later became South Central Bell, which later became AT&T.
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Post by: mgk920 on October 25, 2013, 10:58:23 PM
Post by: mgk920 on October 25, 2013, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 25, 2013, 06:38:59 PMQuote from: hbelkins on October 23, 2013, 11:12:04 AM
And not only did I grow up with a rotary phone, but a party line. There were four homes on the party line and you couldn't make or receive a call if another party was on the line. If someone called you, they got a busy signal. If you picked up the phone to call someone, you could hear the conversation the other person on the party line was having.
Never experienced a party line on the old AT&T Bell operating companies, but they were somewhat common in parts of Virginia that were served by so-called "independent" companies like Continental Telephone (later merged into GT&E and now part of Verizon). I recall that different numbers on the party line had their own ringing pattern, so the "correct" party knew to pick up the phone.
There was also some stern text in the front of the phone books stating that it was a crime to refuse to give-up a party line for an emergeny telephone call.
I grew up in a city neighborhood that was served by one of the local AT&T divisions (Wisconsin Telephone) and we had a two-party phone line into the mid-1970s - we got a much cheaper local service rate that way than we could have had we opted for a private line (ahhhh, the lap of LUXURY!). How did we know when to pick up the phone? It rang. The phone in our house had its ringer wired with the polarity one way, the phone in the other house was wired with its ringer polarity the other way. The local 'book' also had instructions in how to call the other party on your line ("Dial a code number that you can receive from customer service and hang up. Your phone will then start to ring. When it stops ringing, pick up the phone and begin your conversation. To stop the ringing, pick up the phone.").
And until about 1969, all local calls here in the Appleton, WI area were dialed with just a five-digit number string (all in the then 414 area code):
(72)2-xxxx - Menasha-Neenah
(73)3-xxxx - Appleton
(73)4-xxxx - Appleton
(72)5-xxxx - Menasha-Neenah
(76)6-xxxx - Kaukauna
(75)7-xxxx - Greenville Township area
(78)8-xxxx - Combined Locks/Freedom/Kimberly/Little Chute
(73)9-xxxx - Appleton
That plan was exhausted in about 1969 and was expanded to the still current 7D local (from 'legacy' landlines) dialing, with the addition of 731 in Appleton and 729 in Menasha/Neenah and the local calling area was expanded to include more places - 779 in Hortonville/Dale/Medina, 984 in Black Creek, 986 in Shiocton and 989 in Sherwood.
Also, and I have not recently counted, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are now 40-50 (or more) active local number prefixes ('NXX' codes) for the Appleton rate center in the 920 area code.
:wow:
Mike
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Post by: corco on October 25, 2013, 11:03:44 PM
Post by: corco on October 25, 2013, 11:03:44 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 23, 2013, 09:47:55 AM
Shoot, I remember rotary dials on phones. We had a rental phone from Illinois Bell (Ameritech) while I was growing up (1980-1990 range). Then we got a touch-tone phone (1990-2006 range). Then it was all cell phones, no landlines. I still find it interesting when I get asked for a home phone number and have to answer back that I only have one phone (the cell phone).
My house in Montana has a hardwired rotary phone that still works- my landline is connected to it and it's my only non-cell phone. Definitely a throwback, since I was probably 4 or 5 when my family switched to a touch-tone phone, though I remember at least one friend having a rotary phone until I was 7 or 8. It works great for calling people, not so great for calling automated lines since none of those seem to recognize pulses anymore.
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Post by: KEVIN_224 on October 25, 2013, 11:25:07 PM
Post by: KEVIN_224 on October 25, 2013, 11:25:07 PM
I lived in Old Orchard Beach, ME from Labor Day 1985 to June 20, 1987. Back then, they were part of New England Telephone. The town was entirely (207) 934-xxxx. They were just starting to get some touch tone service by then. It was possible to just dial 4-xxxx for a call within the town. Portland, about 12 miles away, was a long distance call. I think a local call was limited to O.O.B. and the two bordering municipalities of Saco and Scarborough.
Here in central CT, we obviously got touch tone service with SNET (later SBC and now AT&T) long before my town in Maine. I'm in New Britain, about 10 miles southwest of downtown Hartford. When I moved back down here in 1987, Hartford was a toll call. A huge local push was won when they finally became a local call at the end of the 1980s. For quite some time, our local area was New Britain, the five municipalities which border us (Berlin, Southington, Plainville, Farmington and Newington), West Hartford, East Hartford and Cromwell. For some reason, most of Middletown was a local call. After our area code switched from (203) to (860) in 1995, Meriden in New Haven County became the only (203) area which was a local call for New Britain (I know I used a pay phone at their mall to call my house before).
Then came the 10-digit dialing nonsense in the 2000s. Even if it's the convenience store up the street, I dial (860) xxx-xxxx (without the 1).
Here in central CT, we obviously got touch tone service with SNET (later SBC and now AT&T) long before my town in Maine. I'm in New Britain, about 10 miles southwest of downtown Hartford. When I moved back down here in 1987, Hartford was a toll call. A huge local push was won when they finally became a local call at the end of the 1980s. For quite some time, our local area was New Britain, the five municipalities which border us (Berlin, Southington, Plainville, Farmington and Newington), West Hartford, East Hartford and Cromwell. For some reason, most of Middletown was a local call. After our area code switched from (203) to (860) in 1995, Meriden in New Haven County became the only (203) area which was a local call for New Britain (I know I used a pay phone at their mall to call my house before).
Then came the 10-digit dialing nonsense in the 2000s. Even if it's the convenience store up the street, I dial (860) xxx-xxxx (without the 1).
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Post by: mgk920 on October 25, 2013, 11:31:38 PM
Post by: mgk920 on October 25, 2013, 11:31:38 PM
By default, I just 'dial' (more accurately 'button-push') the full 10D number on all outgoing calls that are not in my preset list from my cell phone. It just keeps things simple, not worrying about where the call is going.
Mike
Mike
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Post by: kkt on October 25, 2013, 11:44:13 PM
Post by: kkt on October 25, 2013, 11:44:13 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 25, 2013, 11:31:38 PM
By default, I just 'dial' (more accurately 'button-push') the full 10D number on all outgoing calls that are not in my preset list from my cell phone. It just keeps things simple, not worrying about where the call is going.
Mike
You can do that? Here it gets you a "cannot complete your call as dialed" half the time.
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Post by: Dr Frankenstein on October 26, 2013, 12:16:29 AM
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on October 26, 2013, 12:16:29 AM
The mountain cottage we rented every winter for skiing was on a party line until very late... I think it was 2006?
Nantes, QC was still using an electromechanical step-by-step line finder until 2008 (the last one operating in North America). This means no touch-tone support.
The phone in my bedroom is a rotary. (We keep a landline because cell phone signal is poor in the house.)
Nantes, QC was still using an electromechanical step-by-step line finder until 2008 (the last one operating in North America). This means no touch-tone support.
The phone in my bedroom is a rotary. (We keep a landline because cell phone signal is poor in the house.)
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Post by: vtk on October 26, 2013, 12:41:37 AM
Post by: vtk on October 26, 2013, 12:41:37 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 25, 2013, 10:58:23 PM
And until about 1969, all local calls here in the Appleton, WI area were dialed with just a five-digit number string (all in the then 414 area code):
(72)2-xxxx - Menasha-Neenah
(73)3-xxxx - Appleton
(73)4-xxxx - Appleton
(72)5-xxxx - Menasha-Neenah
(76)6-xxxx - Kaukauna
(75)7-xxxx - Greenville Township area
(78)8-xxxx - Combined Locks/Freedom/Kimberly/Little Chute
(73)9-xxxx - Appleton
(As of 2004) Ohio State Univ campus is like that:
(614 29)2 xxxx – office lines
(614 68)8 xxxx – residential lines
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Post by: cjk374 on October 27, 2013, 02:35:17 PM
Post by: cjk374 on October 27, 2013, 02:35:17 PM
I remember, here in Louisiana (may have been standard practice in other states), the brown recreation signs were upside down trapezoids. Where ever you needed to turn off, the sharp point of the trapezoid would point in the direction of your turn, and the other side would be flat-sided. In fact, the last trapezoid-shaped rec sign that I know of still in the field was replaced earlier this year. It was for Lake Bistineau State Park on WB I-20 @ exit 47.
In Arkansas, it was S.O.P. to use 2 sign posts for their signs. The second post braced the 1st from behind. I know of just a few still around in Emerson, AR around the railroad crossing on AR 98.
In Arkansas, it was S.O.P. to use 2 sign posts for their signs. The second post braced the 1st from behind. I know of just a few still around in Emerson, AR around the railroad crossing on AR 98.
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Post by: Dr Frankenstein on October 28, 2013, 04:13:27 PM
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on October 28, 2013, 04:13:27 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on October 27, 2013, 02:35:17 PMI remember, here in Louisiana (may have been standard practice in other states), the brown recreation signs were upside down trapezoids. Where ever you needed to turn off, the sharp point of the trapezoid would point in the direction of your turn, and the other side would be flat-sided. In fact, the last trapezoid-shaped rec sign that I know of still in the field was replaced earlier this year. It was for Lake Bistineau State Park on WB I-20 @ exit 47.
Ontario still has a few exit direction signs shaped like this, but they're heading the way of the dinosaur.
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Post by: Mr_Northside on October 28, 2013, 05:39:54 PM
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 28, 2013, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: corco on October 25, 2013, 11:03:44 PM
My house in Montana has a hardwired rotary phone that still works- my landline is connected to it and it's my only non-cell phone.
My house also came with one of those. I rarely use it, but it will work in a power outage when my cordless phones won't (assuming I have battery left to power my ONT), and it also rings really loud.
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Post by: formulanone on October 28, 2013, 08:20:45 PM
Post by: formulanone on October 28, 2013, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on October 27, 2013, 02:35:17 PM
I remember, here in Louisiana (may have been standard practice in other states), the brown recreation signs were upside down trapezoids.
In fact, the last trapezoid-shaped rec sign that I know of still in the field was replaced earlier this year.
Alabama has a fair number of them still extant. There's a large one for Talladega National Forest along I-20 westbound.
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Post by: bugo on October 28, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
Post by: bugo on October 28, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
When gum (Big League Chew, Wrigley gum (Juicyfruit, Big Red, Doublemint, Spearmint, etc)) didn't contain artificial sweeteners.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 04, 2013, 10:29:51 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 04, 2013, 10:29:51 PM
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Brantford,+ON,+Canada&hl=en&ll=43.262644,-79.889338&spn=0.005703,0.015278&sll=27.698638,-83.804601&sspn=7.019056,15.644531&oq=branford,+on&t=h&hnear=Brantford,+Brant+County,+Ontario,+Canada&z=16&layer=c&cbll=43.262533,-79.888966&panoid=VhWFhgbNgVQanc7-9PI10A&cbp=12,90,,0,0
I remember when these stations existed in the US particularly on the east coast while another name "Enco" existed on the west coast.
I remember when these stations existed in the US particularly on the east coast while another name "Enco" existed on the west coast.
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Post by: OracleUsr on November 05, 2013, 12:08:11 AM
Post by: OracleUsr on November 05, 2013, 12:08:11 AM
A few more:
The AP News Feed that you saw on many cable stations, including Cablevision Channel 8 in Greensboro. I'd watch that for hours.
When HBO wasn't 24x7.
When North Carolina only had two area codes (919 and 704)
As did Georgia (912 and 404)
And Tennessee (615 and 901)
But South Carolina only had one (803)
TN and NC having DEAD END signs with huge letters (I used to read it by shouting out the letters in a low voice...when I was by myself)
The simple red on white WESTERN AUTO sign that was arranged similar to the WAFFLE HOUSE sign.
US 29-A and US 70-A in Greensboro/High Point
When I-40 was in pieces in the Triangle, and the END I-40 sign at the Randleman Road interchange
Bonus for Randleman Road being US 220 Southbound to Level Cross
Defunct left exits:
US 70 West off I-85 South--Durham, NC (Exit 172...no such exit anymore for I-85S)
US 70 Connector off I-85 North--Hillsborough, NC (Exit 161, now a right exit)
NC 6 off I-40 East--Greensboro, NC (Exit 216, now a right exit, no more NC 6)
US 29S/70W-NC 150W off I-85 South--near Spencer, NC (Exit 82...now accessed by Exit 84 for NC 150, a right exit)
I-381S off I-81 South--Bristol, VA (exit now is to the right and accessible from both directions of I-81)
I-10W off I-95 North--Jacksonville, FL (Exit 351B, now a right exit)
US 15/501 South off I-85 South--Durham, NC (now a right exit)
US 441 South Connector off I-40 West--Knoxville, TN (now a superramp combining Exits 389 and 388)
Someone mentioned stations going off the air and playing the SSB. Yep, actually used to disconnect the cable from my parents' downstairs TV to watch other stations in other areas (the VHF antenna was suprisingly powerful, picking up Raleigh and Roanoke stations). Of course, I'd change it back afterwards.
The AP News Feed that you saw on many cable stations, including Cablevision Channel 8 in Greensboro. I'd watch that for hours.
When HBO wasn't 24x7.
When North Carolina only had two area codes (919 and 704)
As did Georgia (912 and 404)
And Tennessee (615 and 901)
But South Carolina only had one (803)
TN and NC having DEAD END signs with huge letters (I used to read it by shouting out the letters in a low voice...when I was by myself)
The simple red on white WESTERN AUTO sign that was arranged similar to the WAFFLE HOUSE sign.
US 29-A and US 70-A in Greensboro/High Point
When I-40 was in pieces in the Triangle, and the END I-40 sign at the Randleman Road interchange
Bonus for Randleman Road being US 220 Southbound to Level Cross
Defunct left exits:
US 70 West off I-85 South--Durham, NC (Exit 172...no such exit anymore for I-85S)
US 70 Connector off I-85 North--Hillsborough, NC (Exit 161, now a right exit)
NC 6 off I-40 East--Greensboro, NC (Exit 216, now a right exit, no more NC 6)
US 29S/70W-NC 150W off I-85 South--near Spencer, NC (Exit 82...now accessed by Exit 84 for NC 150, a right exit)
I-381S off I-81 South--Bristol, VA (exit now is to the right and accessible from both directions of I-81)
I-10W off I-95 North--Jacksonville, FL (Exit 351B, now a right exit)
US 15/501 South off I-85 South--Durham, NC (now a right exit)
US 441 South Connector off I-40 West--Knoxville, TN (now a superramp combining Exits 389 and 388)
Someone mentioned stations going off the air and playing the SSB. Yep, actually used to disconnect the cable from my parents' downstairs TV to watch other stations in other areas (the VHF antenna was suprisingly powerful, picking up Raleigh and Roanoke stations). Of course, I'd change it back afterwards.
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Post by: florida on November 05, 2013, 01:28:28 AM
Post by: florida on November 05, 2013, 01:28:28 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2013, 01:29:47 PM
add Lechmere, Zayre, Caldor, etc, to the list of defunct New England department stores.
I believe Zayre's successor, Ames, is gone as well.
My grandmother used to work at Zayre's, in the cafe. We also had a G.C. Murphy and Phar-Mor (loved the maze-like atmosphere of that place).
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Post by: thenetwork on November 05, 2013, 08:38:11 AM
Post by: thenetwork on November 05, 2013, 08:38:11 AM
When the real Original Flavors of Starburst candy was Orange, Lemon, Strawberry and LIME.
When Dominos Pizza locations had their own fleet of delivery cars.
When Dominos Pizza locations had their own fleet of delivery cars.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 05, 2013, 09:26:14 AM
Post by: roadman65 on November 05, 2013, 09:26:14 AM
New Jersey had only 201 and 609 as primary area codes.
Many NJ roads got by without exit numbers and substandard signing. I-295 and I-78 were two that used LGSes instead of BGSes in places.
Speaking of New Jersey I remember when NJ 94 had one stoplight north of US 206 at NJ 23 in Hamburg and no signals south of US 206.
NJ 23 had two stoplights from the end of the four lane section at Stockholm to the NYS Line where it is two lanes now and always has been. One being in Hamburg (NJ 94) and the other in Downtown Sussex (where NJ 23 changes alignments).
Newark International Airport was not only not named Newark- Liberty, but called Newark Airport as it was not used for overseas flights. It had one small terminal at the US 1&9 and Port Street Interchange near its crossing of I-78. There were no jetways either, and when that terminal was the main facility, you had to walk outside and climb stairs to enter the planes that meant freezing in the cold winter months. Bags were claimed on a counter and no moving carousel existed when you arrived there. The handlers would drive in with the train and unload each back on a two level counter where you had to move around to look for your bag. Also for a dime, you could walk on a mezzanine and in the Summer go outside and watch the planes load and unload from above the gates.
Many NJ roads got by without exit numbers and substandard signing. I-295 and I-78 were two that used LGSes instead of BGSes in places.
Speaking of New Jersey I remember when NJ 94 had one stoplight north of US 206 at NJ 23 in Hamburg and no signals south of US 206.
NJ 23 had two stoplights from the end of the four lane section at Stockholm to the NYS Line where it is two lanes now and always has been. One being in Hamburg (NJ 94) and the other in Downtown Sussex (where NJ 23 changes alignments).
Newark International Airport was not only not named Newark- Liberty, but called Newark Airport as it was not used for overseas flights. It had one small terminal at the US 1&9 and Port Street Interchange near its crossing of I-78. There were no jetways either, and when that terminal was the main facility, you had to walk outside and climb stairs to enter the planes that meant freezing in the cold winter months. Bags were claimed on a counter and no moving carousel existed when you arrived there. The handlers would drive in with the train and unload each back on a two level counter where you had to move around to look for your bag. Also for a dime, you could walk on a mezzanine and in the Summer go outside and watch the planes load and unload from above the gates.
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Post by: spooky on November 05, 2013, 09:41:09 AM
Post by: spooky on November 05, 2013, 09:41:09 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on November 05, 2013, 08:38:11 AM
When the real Original Flavors of Starburst candy was Orange, Lemon, Strawberry and LIME.
YES. I much preferred the lime starbursts to the cherry that replaced them, but I'm sure I'm in the minority in that regard.
I also recently discovered that Skittles replaced lime with green apple.
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Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 05, 2013, 10:45:13 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 05, 2013, 10:45:13 AM
Anyone in Eastern Canada remember the old Steinberg grocery chain?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/grocerymaniasam/7512664022/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/grocerymaniaagain/8749320011/
or the other grocery chain Dominion
http://www.flickr.com/photos/grocerymaniasam/7512664022/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/grocerymaniaagain/8749320011/
or the other grocery chain Dominion
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Post by: 1995hoo on November 05, 2013, 11:02:45 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on November 05, 2013, 11:02:45 AM
I remember shopping at Dominion grocery stores in New Brunswick (they may have been elsewhere in the Maritimes too, but I just remember the New Brunswick ones from our 1982 trip to Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, and New Brunswick). I recall we ate a lot of pork chops on that trip because we found good ones at the Dominion stores.
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Post by: roadman on November 05, 2013, 11:42:16 AM
Post by: roadman on November 05, 2013, 11:42:16 AM
Speaking of grocery stores, remember First National (later called Finast) and IGA. Manchester, NH also had an independent combined grocery/department store called Mammoth Mills. I remember going there on Sunday afternoons with my father in the late 1960s - because of blue laws, the grocery store was open but the department store was not.
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Post by: briantroutman on November 05, 2013, 12:59:22 PM
Post by: briantroutman on November 05, 2013, 12:59:22 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on November 05, 2013, 12:08:11 AM
When HBO wasn't 24x7.
Speaking of which, what about over-the-air UHF subscription-based premium channels–like ONTV, Spectrum, PRISM, etc.? The operator would maintain a sort of token effort independent broadcast station during the daytime, and in evening hours would scramble their signal and run high-budget movies and sporting events. You needed a decoder and a paid subscription to watch the service, but there was no cable involved–it was entirely over-the-air.
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Post by: US81 on November 05, 2013, 03:56:53 PM
Post by: US81 on November 05, 2013, 03:56:53 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 05, 2013, 12:59:22 PMQuote from: OracleUsr on November 05, 2013, 12:08:11 AM
When HBO wasn't 24x7.
Speaking of which, what about over-the-air UHF subscription-based premium channels–like ONTV, Spectrum, PRISM, etc.? The operator would maintain a sort of token effort independent broadcast station during the daytime, and in evening hours would scramble their signal and run high-budget movies and sporting events. You needed a decoder and a paid subscription to watch the service, but there was no cable involved–it was entirely over-the-air.
I think I remember this - often it was still possible to see silhouettes of the action without the decoder, right?
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Post by: Takumi on November 05, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
Post by: Takumi on November 05, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: roadman on November 05, 2013, 11:42:16 AMI know of an IGA that's still around, in downtown Petersburg, VA
Speaking of grocery stores, remember First National (later called Finast) and IGA.
More defunct brands I remember from childhood:
Peoples Drug (bought by my employer in 1990, changed name in 1994)
Standard Drug (ditto)
Thalheimers (Richmond-based department store chain I probably mentioned already, bought by Hechts in early 90s, now Macy's)
Leggett (department store that was owned by Belk, changed to that name in the 1990s)
Sovran Bank (now part of Bank of America)
Central Fidelity (bank, bought by Wachovia in 1990s, now Wells Fargo)
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Post by: J N Winkler on November 05, 2013, 05:06:35 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on November 05, 2013, 05:06:35 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on October 27, 2013, 02:35:17 PMI remember, here in Louisiana (may have been standard practice in other states), the brown recreation signs were upside down trapezoids. Where ever you needed to turn off, the sharp point of the trapezoid would point in the direction of your turn, and the other side would be flat-sided. In fact, the last trapezoid-shaped rec sign that I know of still in the field was replaced earlier this year. It was for Lake Bistineau State Park on WB I-20 @ exit 47.
This trapezoidal style was a national MUTCD standard for many years, and is still used for new installs in several states, Alaska being one of them.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on November 05, 2013, 05:06:40 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 05, 2013, 05:06:40 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 05, 2013, 09:26:14 AM
New Jersey had only 201 and 609 as primary area codes.
The statewide area code in Maryland was 301.
The statewide area code in Virginia was 703.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on November 05, 2013, 05:06:49 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 05, 2013, 05:06:49 PM
I have seen IGA more recently than this, but I specifically remember one being in South Dakota as of November, 2009. it was in Hull, IIRC - if not, some other town on US-18 near the Iowa border.
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Post by: Takumi on November 05, 2013, 05:33:37 PM
Post by: Takumi on November 05, 2013, 05:33:37 PM
When Honda made cars that weren't eyesores.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on November 05, 2013, 05:47:27 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 05, 2013, 05:47:27 PM
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Post by: briantroutman on November 05, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
Post by: briantroutman on November 05, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
Quote from: US81 on November 05, 2013, 03:56:53 PMQuote from: briantroutman on November 05, 2013, 12:59:22 PM
UHF subscription-based premium channels–like ONTV, Spectrum, PRISM, etc....
I think I remember this - often it was still possible to see silhouettes of the action without the decoder, right?
I believe so, and this was a point of contention as some of the services were also airing porn–and of course you had all of the concerned parent-type groups filing lawsuits about alleged violations of FCC "decency" standards. The courts consistently held, though, that the scrambled signal didn't constitute a public broadcast.
Quote from: roadman on November 05, 2013, 11:42:16 AM
IGA...
Still very much alive–was in one in Québec about a month ago. They're not a chain, per se, (the initials originally indicated the "Independent Grocers' Alliance") but more of a co-operative of various local and regional supermarket operators.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 05, 2013, 05:06:40 PMQuote from: roadman65 on November 05, 2013, 09:26:14 AM
New Jersey had only 201 and 609 as primary area codes.
The statewide area code in Maryland was 301.
The statewide area code in Virginia was 703.
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but in the original Bell System area coding system of 1947, a middle digit of zero indicated a state- or province-wide area code. A middle digit of one, obviously, indicated multiple area codes in a state. This rule quickly became meaningless, though, as area codes were rapidly subdivided to accommodate the rising demand for phone lines. 609 was created only about a decade after 201 was initially designated as NJ's statewide area code.
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Post by: J N Winkler on November 05, 2013, 08:16:32 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on November 05, 2013, 08:16:32 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 05, 2013, 05:06:49 PMI have seen IGA more recently than this, but I specifically remember one being in South Dakota as of November, 2009. it was in Hull, IIRC - if not, some other town on US-18 near the Iowa border.
As Briantroutman says, IGA is actually a cooperative of independent grocers. Many of them trade under their own names, so often the first indication you have that a particular supermarket is an IGA is the "IGA" on generic merchandise.
In the Wichita area, Leeker's in Valley Center is an IGA grocer (note the absence of an IGA logo in the StreetView imagery of the storefront (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Leeker%27s,+Valley+Center&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=&ll=37.824423,-97.371984&spn=0.009237,0.01929&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=37.824423,-97.371984&panoid=xnI7fPfO0MASwg7SRL6Z8g&cbp=12,272.54,,0,-0.87)). For a time, before Dillon's (the local branch of the Kroger octopus) realized that people actually eat fifteen-bean soup and started stocking it, one had to go to Leeker's to find it.
There used to be other IGA grocers in Wichita proper, and my recollection is that they had the IGA branding on their storefronts, but as far as I know, they have all disappeared.
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Post by: hbelkins on November 06, 2013, 10:39:01 AM
Post by: hbelkins on November 06, 2013, 10:39:01 AM
IGA's are fairly common in small-town Kentucky.
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Post by: msubulldog on November 06, 2013, 11:01:48 AM
Post by: msubulldog on November 06, 2013, 11:01:48 AM
501 was the only area code for Arkansas.
601 was the only area code for Mississippi.
318 and 504 were the only area codes for Louisiana.
713 was the only area code for Houston.
214 was the only area code for Dallas.
817 was the only area code for Fort Worth.
512 was the only area code for south and central Texas.
601 was the only area code for Mississippi.
318 and 504 were the only area codes for Louisiana.
713 was the only area code for Houston.
214 was the only area code for Dallas.
817 was the only area code for Fort Worth.
512 was the only area code for south and central Texas.
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Post by: elsmere241 on November 06, 2013, 11:16:48 AM
Post by: elsmere241 on November 06, 2013, 11:16:48 AM
706 and 905 were "dial-around" area codes for parts of Mexico.
There were no overlay area codes, and no area codes that covered two or more separate "areas".
Not everyone could dial international calls directly.
There was a Cabinet department called Health, Education, and Welfare.
There were PSAs to remind people to use the ZIP Code.
There were no overlay area codes, and no area codes that covered two or more separate "areas".
Not everyone could dial international calls directly.
There was a Cabinet department called Health, Education, and Welfare.
There were PSAs to remind people to use the ZIP Code.
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Post by: Big John on November 06, 2013, 11:22:15 AM
Post by: Big John on November 06, 2013, 11:22:15 AM
Quote from: elsmere241 on November 06, 2013, 11:16:48 AMBefore that, smaller cities had no zip code while larger cities had postal zone numbers for the city where you had to put the appropriate number immediately after the city name and before the state, such as Milwaukee 12, Wis. (also meaning no 2-letter state codes either.)
There were PSAs to remind people to use the ZIP Code.
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Post by: roadman on November 06, 2013, 11:35:10 AM
Post by: roadman on November 06, 2013, 11:35:10 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on November 05, 2013, 05:06:35 PMQuote from: cjk374 on October 27, 2013, 02:35:17 PMI remember, here in Louisiana (may have been standard practice in other states), the brown recreation signs were upside down trapezoids. Where ever you needed to turn off, the sharp point of the trapezoid would point in the direction of your turn, and the other side would be flat-sided. In fact, the last trapezoid-shaped rec sign that I know of still in the field was replaced earlier this year. It was for Lake Bistineau State Park on WB I-20 @ exit 47.
This trapezoidal style was a national MUTCD standard for many years, and is still used for new installs in several states, Alaska being one of them.
Use of the trapezoidal style sign is still an option in the 2009 MUTCD.
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Post by: kkt on November 06, 2013, 12:22:49 PM
Post by: kkt on November 06, 2013, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: Big John on November 06, 2013, 11:22:15 AM
also meaning no 2-letter state codes either.
Right, the 2-letter state codes were introduced at the same time as the Zip code so that city, state, and zip would still fit on one line in a standard sized window envelope.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 12:50:53 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 06, 2013, 12:22:49 PM
Right, the 2-letter state codes were introduced at the same time as the Zip code so that city, state, and zip would still fit on one line in a standard sized window envelope.
because variation in abbreviated state name length was so much greater than variation in city name length?
if Susquehanna Depot, Penna. did not fit inside an envelope window, then it would be more lucky than good design to have PA fit... a more robust solution would be to get a bigger envelope window, or a printer with a smaller-size font.
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Post by: Henry on November 06, 2013, 01:01:25 PM
Post by: Henry on November 06, 2013, 01:01:25 PM
Three words:
THIS IS CBS.
THIS IS CBS.
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Post by: PHLBOS on November 06, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on November 06, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: msubulldog on November 06, 2013, 11:01:48 AMThe 617 area code covered all of Eastern & most of central MA
501 was the only area code for Arkansas.
601 was the only area code for Mississippi.
318 and 504 were the only area codes for Louisiana.
713 was the only area code for Houston.
214 was the only area code for Dallas.
817 was the only area code for Fort Worth.
512 was the only area code for south and central Texas.
203 was the only area code for CT
215 covered all of southeastern PA
All area codes featured only a 0 or 1 for the 2nd digit and all office/city codes featured only 2 through 9 in their 2nd digits.
This one may have been already mentioned but it is related; 7-digit dialing to local numbers inside the same area code at all locations and area codes.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 01:14:39 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 06, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
This one may have been already mentioned but it is related; 7-digit dialing to local numbers inside the same area code.
I think this still exists. there are pockets of society where phone numbers are advertised with only 7 digits. Nome, Alaska comes to mind.
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Post by: PHLBOS on November 06, 2013, 01:16:28 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on November 06, 2013, 01:16:28 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 01:14:39 PMI knew should've added the words at all locations and area codes to the above. So much for assuming that it was implied. Earlier post is now edited.Quote from: PHLBOS on November 06, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
This one may have been already mentioned but it is related; 7-digit dialing to local numbers inside the same area code.
I think this still exists. there are pockets of society where phone numbers are advertised with only 7 digits. Nome, Alaska comes to mind.
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Post by: jeffandnicole on November 06, 2013, 01:20:14 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 06, 2013, 01:20:14 PM
7 digit dialing applies to the 856, 609 & 908 area codes in New Jersey as well.
Delaware still only has one area code - 302.
Delaware still only has one area code - 302.
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Post by: elsmere241 on November 06, 2013, 01:25:42 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on November 06, 2013, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 01:14:39 PM
I think this still exists. there are pockets of society where phone numbers are advertised with only 7 digits. Nome, Alaska comes to mind.
In Delaware you can dial seven digits for local calls within the area code. (Like I remember what those are anymore, since I have unlimited long distance.) I often dial seven digits the first time I call someone, and then out of habit. My VoIP phone lets me dial ten digits and hit "send", and that's what I usually do. Anyway, when I was a census enumerator in 2010, I noticed a generational difference when I asked for someone's telephone number. Those under 40-50 usually gave me ten digits (Delaware is all 302, but a lot of folks do bring in mobile phones from outside) while those older gave me seven.
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Post by: briantroutman on November 06, 2013, 01:47:12 PM
Post by: briantroutman on November 06, 2013, 01:47:12 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 01:14:39 PMQuote from: PHLBOS on November 06, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
This one may have been already mentioned but it is related; 7-digit dialing to local numbers inside the same area code.
I think this still exists. there are pockets of society where phone numbers are advertised with only 7 digits. Nome, Alaska comes to mind.
I think seven-digit dialing still exists in most area codes that aren't currently covered by an overlay (and aren't being readied for an overlay by the PUC). Not necessarily limited to podunk towns and rural outposts. When the 408 area code (South Bay/Silicon Valley) was overlaid in 2012 (emphasis added) it was fairly big news with local media outlets running stories of people lamenting now needing to dial the area code. My childhood area code (was 717, then 570) just switched to 10-digit dialing this year in preparation for an overlay.
Not that all of this matters much, though, as more telecommunications originates from contact records, hyperlinked "call" buttons, etc., worrying about long and complex phone numbers will be like worrying about long and hard-to-remember IP addresses. And if we shook out all of the numbers that are tied up with one-horse "phone companies", assigned to disposable prepaid phones lying in sludge filled gutters, etc., I think the concerns about running out of numbers and needing to create new overlays would prove quite misplaced.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 01:51:26 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 01:51:26 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 06, 2013, 01:47:12 PMall of the numbers that are tied up with one-horse "phone companies", assigned to disposable prepaid phones lying in sludge filled gutters, etc.,
"hi, is this Legitimate Tony's House of Narcotics and Unregistered Machine Guns?"
"no, wrong number!"
"well, whoever this is, you have crossed us and we're coming to kill you."
"crap. I wish I had gotten Chris Rock's old number instead!"
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Post by: elsmere241 on November 06, 2013, 01:56:18 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on November 06, 2013, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 06, 2013, 01:47:12 PMAnd if we shook out all of the numbers that are tied up with one-horse "phone companies", assigned to disposable prepaid phones lying in sludge filled gutters, etc., I think the concerns about running out of numbers and needing to create new overlays would prove quite misplaced.
Actually, they took a step in that direction a few years ago. Instead of phone companies being required to take blocks of numbers by the 10,000 (area code and three digits), they now can by 1,000 (area code and four digits).
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Post by: corco on November 06, 2013, 02:00:11 PM
Post by: corco on November 06, 2013, 02:00:11 PM
In Idaho and Montana we only use seven digits and most advertising/signage only has seven digits on it except right by state lines, since these states are vast and only have one area code for the entire state.
Where i live now in Montana, four digits is the norm for specifying numbers since we only have one exchange, though seven digits are still required for dialing. But when people ask your number, you say "5555" and they understand that means (406) 846-xxxx
The town I went to high school in in Idaho had two exchanges- 634 for landlines and 630 for cell phones, so a five digit pattern emerged for telling people your number at the grocery store or wherever once the 630 exchange came out. Prior to that we used four digits, just like where I am now in Montana. Once that second exchange popped up though, people would say "call me at 4-5555" or "0-5555" and the (208) 63 was implied. They have introduced two more exchanges though in the last few years so according to my parents that practice is all but gone now.
Where i live now in Montana, four digits is the norm for specifying numbers since we only have one exchange, though seven digits are still required for dialing. But when people ask your number, you say "5555" and they understand that means (406) 846-xxxx
The town I went to high school in in Idaho had two exchanges- 634 for landlines and 630 for cell phones, so a five digit pattern emerged for telling people your number at the grocery store or wherever once the 630 exchange came out. Prior to that we used four digits, just like where I am now in Montana. Once that second exchange popped up though, people would say "call me at 4-5555" or "0-5555" and the (208) 63 was implied. They have introduced two more exchanges though in the last few years so according to my parents that practice is all but gone now.
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Post by: formulanone on November 06, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
Post by: formulanone on November 06, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 01:14:39 PMQuote from: PHLBOS on November 06, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
This one may have been already mentioned but it is related; 7-digit dialing to local numbers inside the same area code.
I think this still exists. there are pockets of society where phone numbers are advertised with only 7 digits. Nome, Alaska comes to mind.
Oddly, the city of and greater Boca Raton, Florida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boca_Raton,_Florida) still requires 7-digit dialing for intra-city calls on landlines (like many cities, it's based on the exchange). If you dial the area code 561 for local city calls, the call will not go through. The cities to the north and south require 10-digit dialing, just like the rest of the South Florida area (since 2001 or so). So it's an odd duck; town locals usually do not mention their area code, unlike everyone else from the region.
The nuisance is when someone neglects to mention they (or their cell phone) were/weren't from Boca Raton, or just over the limits; you try the number with the 561 area codes, it won't work...try the 954 area code "next door", and that doesn't work...so only then you dial it without any area code, and only then you've finally placed this call on a land line. Cell-to-cell calls don't have this problem, you just punch in all ten digits.
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Post by: SidS1045 on November 06, 2013, 03:11:02 PM
Post by: SidS1045 on November 06, 2013, 03:11:02 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 06, 2013, 01:01:25 PM
Three words:
THIS IS CBS.
To the visual of a peacock spreading its plumage, Mel Brandt's voice: "The following program is brought to you in Living Color, on NBC."
http://www.kingoftheroad.net/colorTV/peacock2.html
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Post by: kkt on November 06, 2013, 04:07:21 PM
Post by: kkt on November 06, 2013, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 12:50:53 PMQuote from: kkt on November 06, 2013, 12:22:49 PMbecause variation in abbreviated state name length was so much greater than variation in city name length?
Right, the 2-letter state codes were introduced at the same time as the Zip code so that city, state, and zip would still fit on one line in a standard sized window envelope.
if Susquehanna Depot, Penna. did not fit inside an envelope window, then it would be more lucky than good design to have PA fit... a more robust solution would be to get a bigger envelope window, or a printer with a smaller-size font.
It was the early 1960s, there were no laser printers, and no other graphical printers in use for data processing applications. Typical businesses sending bills or statements would use line printers. Changing fonts would have been impossible without scrapping a perfectly good line printer that probably cost thousands.
Penna. was Pa. even under the traditional Associate Press abbreviations. For excessively long names, look for examples in Alaska and Hawaii, which had no standard abbreviations in the Associated Press stylebook or Government Printing Office lists.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 06, 2013, 05:19:57 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 06, 2013, 05:19:57 PM
MA was Mass.
MI was Mich.
FL was FLA or even Fla
SD was S Dak
ND was N Dak
MN was Minn
MS was Miss
AL was Ala
CT was Conn
WA was Wash ( I think)
CA was Calif.
TN was Tenn
AR was Ark
NE was Neb
IL was Ill.
IN was Ind
DE was Del
This was back in the days when you never heard of road rage and no one did stupid stuff on the roads like they do now.
MI was Mich.
FL was FLA or even Fla
SD was S Dak
ND was N Dak
MN was Minn
MS was Miss
AL was Ala
CT was Conn
WA was Wash ( I think)
CA was Calif.
TN was Tenn
AR was Ark
NE was Neb
IL was Ill.
IN was Ind
DE was Del
This was back in the days when you never heard of road rage and no one did stupid stuff on the roads like they do now.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 05:22:41 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 05:22:41 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 06, 2013, 05:19:57 PM
This was back in the days when you never heard of road rage and no one did stupid stuff on the roads like they do now.
and kids listened to their elders, and everyone was above average, and television programs were neither immoral nor depraved, and women stayed in the kitchen where they belonged.
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Post by: Big John on November 06, 2013, 05:22:58 PM
Post by: Big John on November 06, 2013, 05:22:58 PM
^^ And Ohio was just O, ignoring that Oklahoma and Oregon start with the same letter.
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Post by: NE2 on November 06, 2013, 05:23:52 PM
Post by: NE2 on November 06, 2013, 05:23:52 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 06, 2013, 05:19:57 PMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Mania#Historical_significance
This was back in the days when you never heard of road rage and no one did stupid stuff on the roads like they do now.
QuoteThis cartoon reveals that road rage is not a recent phenomenon, but an issue recurring with each generation of drivers.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 06, 2013, 05:32:47 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 06, 2013, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2013, 05:23:52 PMRoad rage was always around, but it was not as popular as it is now. Plus, back in the 80's I remember when you rarely saw a person make a right turn from the left lane or even stop to wait for the next lane to clear so you could make the turn you are about to miss while pissing off anyone behind you. Plus speeding tickets were a common thing that cops issued back then as well.Quote from: roadman65 on November 06, 2013, 05:19:57 PMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Mania#Historical_significance
This was back in the days when you never heard of road rage and no one did stupid stuff on the roads like they do now.QuoteThis cartoon reveals that road rage is not a recent phenomenon, but an issue recurring with each generation of drivers.
True a lot of things existed always, but humility prevailed back then.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 05:34:50 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: Big John on November 06, 2013, 05:22:58 PM
^^ And Ohio was just O, ignoring that Oklahoma and Oregon start with the same letter.
does O. date back to when the other two were not states?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on November 06, 2013, 05:40:41 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 06, 2013, 05:40:41 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 05:34:50 PMSpeaking of O for Ohio, I do remember a sign on US 52 in Huntington, WV that had the cross the river town of Chesapeake written out as "Chesapeake, O" back in 1989. If its still there today, then you do not have to be old to remember that, but if it is gone and updated then you are.Quote from: Big John on November 06, 2013, 05:22:58 PM
^^ And Ohio was just O, ignoring that Oklahoma and Oregon start with the same letter.
does O. date back to when the other two were not states?
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Post by: kkt on November 06, 2013, 06:22:41 PM
Post by: kkt on November 06, 2013, 06:22:41 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 06, 2013, 05:19:57 PM
MA was Mass.
MI was Mich.
FL was FLA or even Fla
SD was S Dak
ND was N Dak
MN was Minn
MS was Miss
AL was Ala
CT was Conn
WA was Wash ( I think)
CA was Calif.
TN was Tenn
AR was Ark
NE was Neb
IL was Ill.
IN was Ind
DE was Del
There's a good table in Wikipedia under "List of U.S. state abbreviations". The GPO abbreviations and the AP Stylebook abbreviations were the same in most cases, but not all.
Quote
This was back in the days when you never heard of road rage and no one did stupid stuff on the roads like they do now.
:-D
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Post by: kkt on November 06, 2013, 06:25:50 PM
Post by: kkt on November 06, 2013, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: Big John on November 06, 2013, 05:22:58 PM
^^ And Ohio was just O, ignoring that Oklahoma and Oregon start with the same letter.
I don't think O. was ever an official abbreviation for any state. Certainly AP Stylebook, GPO, and library catalogers didn't use it.
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Post by: vtk on November 06, 2013, 07:02:22 PM
Post by: vtk on November 06, 2013, 07:02:22 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 06, 2013, 05:34:50 PMQuote from: Big John on November 06, 2013, 05:22:58 PM
^^ And Ohio was just O, ignoring that Oklahoma and Oregon start with the same letter.
does O. date back to when the other two were not states?
Probably. Ohio is considerably older than the others, and I'm pretty sure it was commonly abbreviated O. by the mid 19th century.
InDOT has traditionally favored "Columbus O." on signs for eastbound I-70.
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Post by: Scott5114 on November 06, 2013, 07:44:46 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on November 06, 2013, 07:44:46 PM
Quote from: Big John on November 06, 2013, 05:22:58 PM
^^ And Ohio was just O, ignoring that Oklahoma and Oregon start with the same letter.
There was a restaurant near me that typoed their address on the receipts, showing it as "Norman, O. 73071". They fixed it eventually, but I always wondered if anyone working there realized that they were actually giving an address in a nonexistent Ohio town.
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Post by: Roadsguy on November 07, 2013, 06:46:42 AM
Post by: Roadsguy on November 07, 2013, 06:46:42 AM
I'm hoping this eventually qualifies:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Vga-cable.jpg/320px-Vga-cable.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Vga-cable.jpg/320px-Vga-cable.jpg)
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Post by: PHLBOS on November 07, 2013, 08:57:10 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on November 07, 2013, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: SidS1045 on November 06, 2013, 03:11:02 PMTo the visual of a peacock spreading its plumage, Mel Brandt's voice: "The following program is brought to you in Living Color, on NBC."See Page 17 of this thread for posted YouTube video of such (scroll to the bottom of the page):
http://www.kingoftheroad.net/colorTV/peacock2.html
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10167.400 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10167.400)
Here's another gem to add:
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Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vtk on November 07, 2013, 10:19:21 AM
Post by: vtk on November 07, 2013, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on November 07, 2013, 06:46:42 AM
I'm hoping this eventually qualifies:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Vga-cable.jpg/320px-Vga-cable.jpg)
I was just messing with several of those over the weekend.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on November 07, 2013, 10:25:03 AM
Post by: kkt on November 07, 2013, 10:25:03 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on November 07, 2013, 06:46:42 AM
I'm hoping this eventually qualifies:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Vga-cable.jpg/320px-Vga-cable.jpg)
I kinda liked the D series plugs, compared to USB. If you're reaching around behind a computer case to plug a D15 in, you can tell by feel which way is up and it goes in easily. USB you can't tell by feel and even right-side-up it must line up perfectly, so if it doesn't go in easily you can't tell if it's because it's upside down or just being annoying. And the D plugs have screws, so it'll never fall out by accident if they're tripped over or tugged while attaching something else.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on November 07, 2013, 10:33:33 AM
Post by: formulanone on November 07, 2013, 10:33:33 AM
USB connectors have three sides: the way that doesn't seem to fit, the way that really doesn't fit, and reversing it back to the first side which just needed more force.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 07, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 07, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
indeed, I can't believe they came up with that design for USB. easier to manufacture, I guess.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on November 07, 2013, 02:56:19 PM
Post by: roadman on November 07, 2013, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 07, 2013, 08:57:10 AMQuote from: SidS1045 on November 06, 2013, 03:11:02 PMTo the visual of a peacock spreading its plumage, Mel Brandt's voice: "The following program is brought to you in Living Color, on NBC."See Page 17 of this thread for posted YouTube video of such (scroll to the bottom of the page):
http://www.kingoftheroad.net/colorTV/peacock2.html
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I remember S&H very well. Among other reasons, my parents obtained the canisters of the cheap-o knockoff of American Plastic Bricks I played with from S&H (a book and a half for each canister IIRC).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 07, 2013, 05:42:23 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 07, 2013, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 06, 2013, 01:01:25 PM
Three words:
THIS IS CBS.
Or its Great White North Counterpart "This is CBC".
Or "This is the CTV television network"
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on November 07, 2013, 10:37:13 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on November 07, 2013, 10:37:13 PM
On computer plugs: I remember my first computer having whatever the plug was before the purple PS/2 keyboard plug. (Which had to be a very old standard, since every IBM Model M keyboard I've had has a PS/2 plug.) I remember buying a PS/2 keyboard and needing an adapter for it. Now, PS/2 is almost a relic; a lot of keyboards and mice just use USB now.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: J N Winkler on November 07, 2013, 11:52:33 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on November 07, 2013, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 07, 2013, 10:37:13 PMOn computer plugs: I remember my first computer having whatever the plug was before the purple PS/2 keyboard plug. (Which had to be a very old standard, since every IBM Model M keyboard I've had has a PS/2 plug.) I remember buying a PS/2 keyboard and needing an adapter for it. Now, PS/2 is almost a relic; a lot of keyboards and mice just use USB now.
The forerunner of PS/2 was (surprise! surprise!) PS/1. I can remember buying an adapter too, but for the opposite use case--PS/1 keyboard for PS/2 slot. I also remember buying a separate PS/2-to-USB adapter for a different computer that had USB slots only. I am not sure I even have these keyboards and adapters anymore, since the computers I used them with are now long gone.
The most recent computer I have owned that might have had PS/2 slots for the keyboard and mouse was a HP Pavilion desktop computer I bought in 2000. I got rid of it in 2009, so I couldn't swear it didn't have USB slots for those instead. Failing that, there was an orphaned Twinhead laptop probably made in 1998 (left on our doorstep, probably so the original owner could claim for a replacement on insurance). I do know two other laptops I have owned (IBM PS/Note and ThinkPad, both produced in 1993) did have PS/2 slots.
Personally, I think Bluetooth mice and keyboards would have squeezed out the USB equivalents long ago but for the stubbornly persistent price differential. There is more of an imperative to cut the cord with mice and keyboards than there is with virtually every other kind of USB peripheral, because cord length limits freedom of movement with a keyboard, and cord weight affects mouse tracking. And although it is now possible to buy wireless USB keyboards and mice where the receiving unit is designed to pack neatly into the peripheral (Logitech Anywhere MX mouse being a case in point), that still leaves a second gubbin to keep track of, which is not a problem with Bluetooth peripherals. As it is, I have been wireless since 2006, but have not been able to move from USB to Bluetooth (which I have had since 2011) since I haven't been able to find Bluetooth peripherals with the features I want (long battery life, smooth optical tracking on difficult surfaces, coil-sprung keys) without paying a $30-$40 premium, which I feel is excessive.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on November 08, 2013, 12:31:58 AM
Post by: kkt on November 08, 2013, 12:31:58 AM
Before the AT keyboard port, there were keyboards that plugged in using a plain serial port, usually a DB25 connector.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on November 08, 2013, 12:28:01 PM
Post by: mgk920 on November 08, 2013, 12:28:01 PM
Thinking that 100 Mb 'Zip' disks were the ultimate in portable storage.
:nod:
And they were still about $10 each when they went obsolete, too.
Mike
:nod:
And they were still about $10 each when they went obsolete, too.
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: elsmere241 on November 08, 2013, 12:35:05 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on November 08, 2013, 12:35:05 PM
When floppies were just that - and they got much wider than 5 1/4".
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on November 08, 2013, 01:40:53 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on November 08, 2013, 01:40:53 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on November 07, 2013, 11:52:33 PM
Personally, I think Bluetooth mice and keyboards would have squeezed out the USB equivalents long ago but for the stubbornly persistent price differential. There is more of an imperative to cut the cord with mice and keyboards than there is with virtually every other kind of USB peripheral, because cord length limits freedom of movement with a keyboard, and cord weight affects mouse tracking. And although it is now possible to buy wireless USB keyboards and mice where the receiving unit is designed to pack neatly into the peripheral (Logitech Anywhere MX mouse being a case in point), that still leaves a second gubbin to keep track of, which is not a problem with Bluetooth peripherals. As it is, I have been wireless since 2006, but have not been able to move from USB to Bluetooth (which I have had since 2011) since I haven't been able to find Bluetooth peripherals with the features I want (long battery life, smooth optical tracking on difficult surfaces, coil-sprung keys) without paying a $30-$40 premium, which I feel is excessive.
I don't think so. I think there will be a market for corded peripherals indefinitely, irrespective of the lack of any price difference. Gamers will always want a corded device when possible to avoid the latency issues that come with wireless.
I bought a wireless mouse for my dorm room computer at the beginning of the 2007 fall semester. It had been destroyed out of frustration before the end of the 2008 spring semester. It was an incredibly frustrating piece of hardware because it had the tendency to "go to sleep" to save battery power while I was using it but not actively moving it around or clicking (as one might do when they are reading a long web page or typing for an extended period of time, only using the mouse intermittently). To turn it back on I had to make an extraneous click before doing whatever it was I really wanted it to do. The interval before going to sleep did not appear to be configurable, and if it was, it would have had to have been done through the Windows device driver, which I was not using. Since then I have sworn off wireless input devices.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on November 08, 2013, 01:50:29 PM
Post by: roadman on November 08, 2013, 01:50:29 PM
I tried a wireless mouse for my laptop for awhile. Apart from ocassional issues with losing the signal, the principal reason I stopped using it and went back to a corded mouse is that I had to keep removing the receiver from the USB port (side mounted) when I put the laptop back in its briefcase. As a result, the receiver would end up in the bottom of the bag and I'd take forever fishing it out. Far too much of a hassle.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: DaBigE on November 08, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
Post by: DaBigE on November 08, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
It was a sad day for me when Logitech stopped making the corded version of their trackball mouse. Their new wireless version just isn't as good. You'd think you would hear more of an outcry from the environmentalists with all the batteries these wireless gizmos consume. Sure, you can use rechargeable batteries in some, but those have a finite life as well.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: J N Winkler on November 08, 2013, 03:55:08 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on November 08, 2013, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 08, 2013, 01:40:53 PMI don't think so. I think there will be a market for corded peripherals indefinitely, irrespective of the lack of any price difference. Gamers will always want a corded device when possible to avoid the latency issues that come with wireless.
This is true, but gaming is a niche segment of the market and (corded) gaming mice are often considerably more expensive than cordless USB mice--the last time I went mouse shopping, the gaming mice I looked at were in the same price range as Bluetooth mice.
QuoteI bought a wireless mouse for my dorm room computer at the beginning of the 2007 fall semester. It had been destroyed out of frustration before the end of the 2008 spring semester. It was an incredibly frustrating piece of hardware because it had the tendency to "go to sleep" to save battery power while I was using it but not actively moving it around or clicking (as one might do when they are reading a long web page or typing for an extended period of time, only using the mouse intermittently). To turn it back on I had to make an extraneous click before doing whatever it was I really wanted it to do. The interval before going to sleep did not appear to be configurable, and if it was, it would have had to have been done through the Windows device driver, which I was not using. Since then I have sworn off wireless input devices.
It does sound like a driver problem and if the alternative was to go back to a corded mouse or write my own driver, I would probably have done the former. But if you were not using this mouse with Windows, then that puts you in a niche segment as well (per Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems), operating system usage share for various flavors of Windows is currently about 90%).
Quote from: roadman on November 08, 2013, 01:50:29 PMI tried a wireless mouse for my laptop for awhile. Apart from ocassional issues with losing the signal, the principal reason I stopped using it and went back to a corded mouse is that I had to keep removing the receiver from the USB port (side mounted) when I put the laptop back in its briefcase. As a result, the receiver would end up in the bottom of the bag and I'd take forever fishing it out. Far too much of a hassle.
This problem is the precise motivation for the following innovations:
* Bluetooth input devices (no need for a USB receiver)
* Compact receivers that can be left in the USB port of a laptop when it is packed up for transit
* Universal receivers (for all compatible peripherals from a given manufacturer--there is typically no support for legacy wireless devices, so I still have to use a separate receiver for my keyboard even though my mouse has an universal receiver)
* Receivers that pack directly into the body of the peripheral
My wireless mouse has a receiver with all three of the latter-listed features--compact, universal, and packable. The mouse itself has a carrying case as well, which keeps it from getting scratched and bruised inside a laptop bag.
IMV, the real objection to wireless input devices for mobile computing is not the constellation of form-factor issues that come with older USB receivers, but rather the weight of the batteries and (for extended trips) the battery-charging equipment. This weight is not so much of an issue for car trips, but it definitely is for backpacking trips where any weight that is not supported by a hip strap is perforce on your shoulders.
Quote from: DaBigE on November 08, 2013, 01:58:31 PMIt was a sad day for me when Logitech stopped making the corded version of their trackball mouse. Their new wireless version just isn't as good. You'd think you would hear more of an outcry from the environmentalists with all the batteries these wireless gizmos consume. Sure, you can use rechargeable batteries in some, but those have a finite life as well.
I haven't ever put single-use dry-cell batteries in a wireless peripheral. The environmental impacts of NiMH batteries are minimal (mostly associated with mining, and only a small amount of virgin Ni has to be used since industrial Ni is recycled). For NiCd batteries the story is different, but I have not purchased any since 1998 and I think I dropped off the last ones I had at the county hazardous waste disposal facility about three years ago. I have been using NiMH batteries since I went wireless in 2006, and I can count on the fingers of one hand the batteries I have that have gone defective or won't accept a charge--and this is despite steady use of rapid chargers and a very high-drain digital point-and-shoot camera (since 2007).
To my mind the nuisance factor of wireless mice (having to recharge batteries, having to slide the mouse to wake it up when it goes to sleep, etc.) is less than with corded mice, especially ones that have been stored packed for travel with the cord coiled tightly around the mouse body. Even unrolled, the cord retains enough latent tension to affect tracking. Both types of mice are subject to tracking issues of various kinds and I think these are worse than waking, latency, etc. for wireless mice and at least as annoying as cord tension. For example, old-school red-laser mice have trouble with glossy surfaces, while newer infrared mice (which are supposed to behave much more nicely with smooth surfaces) mysteriously develop "dead spots" after a while. My current mouse actually suffers from the latter problem, and while I have suspected it results from contact abrasion since I don't use a mousepad, the area of my worktable where the mouse "lives" shows no signs of wear or wax buildup. All things considered, this problem is a lot less annoying than the smut deposits I had to deal with when I still used mice with mechanical tracking (another "You are too old if you remember . . ." item which I am quite happy to forget, TYVM).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: NE2 on November 08, 2013, 05:22:16 PM
Post by: NE2 on November 08, 2013, 05:22:16 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on November 08, 2013, 03:55:08 PMYou are too old if you remember cleaning the crap off the rollers of a mouse at a public computer.
All things considered, this problem is a lot less annoying than the smut deposits I had to deal with when I still used mice with mechanical tracking (another "You are too old if you remember . . ." item which I am quite happy to forget, TYVM).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on November 08, 2013, 05:53:27 PM
Post by: kkt on November 08, 2013, 05:53:27 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 08, 2013, 05:22:16 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on November 08, 2013, 03:55:08 PMYou are too old if you remember cleaning the crap off the rollers of a mouse at a public computer.
All things considered, this problem is a lot less annoying than the smut deposits I had to deal with when I still used mice with mechanical tracking (another "You are too old if you remember . . ." item which I am quite happy to forget, TYVM).
Jeeze, that was only about two years ago here.
You are too old if you don't remember public computers.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Brandon on November 08, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
Post by: Brandon on November 08, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 08, 2013, 05:53:27 PMQuote from: NE2 on November 08, 2013, 05:22:16 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on November 08, 2013, 03:55:08 PMYou are too old if you remember cleaning the crap off the rollers of a mouse at a public computer.
All things considered, this problem is a lot less annoying than the smut deposits I had to deal with when I still used mice with mechanical tracking (another "You are too old if you remember . . ." item which I am quite happy to forget, TYVM).
Jeeze, that was only about two years ago here.
You are too old if you don't remember public computers.
You are too old if you remember public computers without mice just for accessing Usenet.
OK, maybe not all that old, but old enough.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on November 08, 2013, 06:21:57 PM
Post by: formulanone on November 08, 2013, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 08, 2013, 05:22:16 PMSadly, this was a mere two months ago at a client's rather old PC, but one still capable for basic tasks. I probably handle this mundane task about 4-5 times a year.Quote from: J N Winkler on November 08, 2013, 03:55:08 PMYou are too old if you remember cleaning the crap off the rollers of a mouse at a public computer.
All things considered, this problem is a lot less annoying than the smut deposits I had to deal with when I still used mice with mechanical tracking (another "You are too old if you remember . . ." item which I am quite happy to forget, TYVM).
Also, a piece of paper works wonders for laser mice on glass desktops. Sometimes there's a tiny lag of initial latency, sometimes not.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on November 08, 2013, 06:45:28 PM
Post by: roadman on November 08, 2013, 06:45:28 PM
Quote from: roadman on November 07, 2013, 02:56:19 PM
I remember S&H very well. Among other reasons, my parents obtained the canisters of the cheap-o knockoff of American Plastic Bricks I played with from S&H (a book and a half for each canister IIRC).
Another personal S&H story I recall from my youth. Their later catalogs came out when the era of lawyer-inspired disclaimers had just started. One of the standard offerings from catalog to catalog was a cat scratching post (one book IIRC), which was always depicted in the photo with a cat playing with it.
So, when my parents got the new catalog and I was able to get it away from them, I'd always go to the page with the scratching post and add the notation "Cat Not Included" to the picture.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Smudgy on November 10, 2013, 01:58:33 PM
Post by: Smudgy on November 10, 2013, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 02, 2013, 11:32:55 AMQuote from: mgk920 on August 30, 2013, 10:27:30 AMSmudge pots are indeed their name, and I would be very surprised if anyone made them now.Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 29, 2013, 10:54:25 PM* Something I guess were called "flare pots" (but I remember calling "smoke pots") as a regular warning device at construction sites, particularly unattended ones at night. It looked like a little cannonball, as I recall, with a very small flame flickering atop it -- not bright, but lit and able to stay on all night. There may have been another name for these.
I also feel like there were many more flashing yellow lights on construction barricades before recent years, and I can only guess this is because of advances/proliferation of reflective materials. I remember far more often driving past rows of scores of the, something I don't notice as much these days.
I recall those, what I call 'smudgepots', too. You can frequently find them on eBay and someone may still make them.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on November 10, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 10, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
When men would only wear shorts when its warm outside.
Also on that note, when in Florida or anyplace warm year round, if you moved to either of these two places from any of the 4 season's states and wore short pants in 60 degree weather, the locals would look at you funny. I remember when people from Florida would consider low 70s with no humidity as too cold for shorts or even to go swimming in. It seems like blood does not thin out anymore here in Florida even when it drops down in the 30's with a strong windchill!
Also on that note, when in Florida or anyplace warm year round, if you moved to either of these two places from any of the 4 season's states and wore short pants in 60 degree weather, the locals would look at you funny. I remember when people from Florida would consider low 70s with no humidity as too cold for shorts or even to go swimming in. It seems like blood does not thin out anymore here in Florida even when it drops down in the 30's with a strong windchill!
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on November 10, 2013, 06:25:16 PM
Post by: formulanone on November 10, 2013, 06:25:16 PM
^ I moved to Florida in the early-1980s, and it wasn't uncommon back then or now to see a mix of folks wearing shorts and someone donning a fur coat when it turned 59 degrees. Everyone seems to be caught off-guard or over-prepares during the first "cold snap". Of course, this varies on where you lived: Gainesville or Tallahassee might hit 30 for a high, while Miami's enjoying 75-80 degrees that afternoon. Or Tampa having a February morning of 35 with fog, warming up to 80 by mid-day, just to make things difficult.
So it seems like it's always been (ab)normal to see that...on the other hand, winter or autumn clothing lasts 20+ years.
So it seems like it's always been (ab)normal to see that...on the other hand, winter or autumn clothing lasts 20+ years.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on November 10, 2013, 11:53:12 PM
Post by: mgk920 on November 10, 2013, 11:53:12 PM
...your ICQ number.
:D
(Mine was 5634876 and checking on their website, the account is still active and I was able to log in with it. I stopped regularly using ICQ about 10-12 years ago when their system got all scrambled up and I was unable to log in with my system app. That appears to have cleared up since the Russians took it over a couple of years ago.)
Mike
:D
(Mine was 5634876 and checking on their website, the account is still active and I was able to log in with it. I stopped regularly using ICQ about 10-12 years ago when their system got all scrambled up and I was unable to log in with my system app. That appears to have cleared up since the Russians took it over a couple of years ago.)
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: DeaconG on November 12, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
Post by: DeaconG on November 12, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 10, 2013, 06:25:16 PM
^ I moved to Florida in the early-1980s, and it wasn't uncommon back then or now to see a mix of folks wearing shorts and someone donning a fur coat when it turned 59 degrees. Everyone seems to be caught off-guard or over-prepares during the first "cold snap". Of course, this varies on where you lived: Gainesville or Tallahassee might hit 30 for a high, while Miami's enjoying 75-80 degrees that afternoon. Or Tampa having a February morning of 35 with fog, warming up to 80 by mid-day, just to make things difficult.
So it seems like it's always been (ab)normal to see that...on the other hand, winter or autumn clothing lasts 20+ years.
I moved to Florida in November 1984 and I thought it was just delightful to walk around in a T-shirt and shorts while the locals were sliding on sweaters and looking at me funny.
Late 1985? I was the local in the long pants and sweaters looking at the ones without and going "Just got here, huh? You'll learn..."
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on November 13, 2013, 07:42:13 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on November 13, 2013, 07:42:13 AM
Our relatives from the Miami area seem to think 60 degrees is cold. When they visited us here one September three or four years ago, we had set up the table outside for dinner only to be told it was "too cold" for their kids to eat out there. It was about 62 or 63 degrees. :rolleyes:
Too bad they're not here this morning. It's around 30 as I type this.
Too bad they're not here this morning. It's around 30 as I type this.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Brandon on November 13, 2013, 09:24:02 AM
Post by: Brandon on November 13, 2013, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 13, 2013, 07:42:13 AM
Our relatives from the Miami area seem to think 60 degrees is cold. When they visited us here one September three or four years ago, we had set up the table outside for dinner only to be told it was "too cold" for their kids to eat out there. It was about 62 or 63 degrees. :rolleyes:
Too bad they're not here this morning. It's around 30 as I type this.
They'd never make it in Da UP. 60 up there is considered summer weather. 70-75 is time to hit the beach.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 13, 2013, 07:29:15 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 13, 2013, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 10, 2013, 11:53:12 PM
...your ICQ number.
:D
(Mine was 5634876 and checking on their website, the account is still active and I was able to log in with it. I stopped regularly using ICQ about 10-12 years ago when their system got all scrambled up and I was unable to log in with my system app. That appears to have cleared up since the Russians took it over a couple of years ago.)
Mike
ICQ, memories.... Who also remember AIM, Trillian, Yahoo chat, MSN chat?
Before Firefox, Google Chrome,Microsoft Internet Explorer, anyone remember Netscape and some former search engines like Alta-vista, Infoseek, Excite?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: bugo on November 13, 2013, 07:40:13 PM
Post by: bugo on November 13, 2013, 07:40:13 PM
I don't want to go back and read the entire thread, but has anybody mentioned Saturday morning cartoons? Getting up early on Saturday to watch the Bugs Bunny show was a highlight of my childhood and a great influence on my life. I remember not being able to sleep on Friday night because I was so excited about the next day. It makes me sad to know that this tradition has gone away.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 13, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 13, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
Quote from: bugo on November 13, 2013, 07:40:13 PM
I don't want to go back and read the entire thread, but has anybody mentioned Saturday morning cartoons? Getting up early on Saturday to watch the Bugs Bunny show was a highlight of my childhood and a great influence on my life. I remember not being able to sleep on Friday night because I was so excited about the next day. It makes me sad to know that this tradition has gone away.
I remember Saturday Morning cartoons too. :) The bad idea for NBC to air news and countless of Saved by the Bell clones....>_<
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on November 13, 2013, 07:58:50 PM
Post by: formulanone on November 13, 2013, 07:58:50 PM
Quote from: bugo on November 13, 2013, 07:40:13 PM
I don't want to go back and read the entire thread, but has anybody mentioned Saturday morning cartoons? ...It makes me sad to know that this tradition has gone away.
That was our time, as a kid. Nobody would tell you to change the channel.
I never noticed this until about two years ago; there are no cartoons on any of the major networks on a Saturday morning, which surprised me when I flipped channels while watching with my daughter. Some of the cable networks do have cartoons, but essentially they're on at any time of day. My dad told me that back in the 1940's and 1950's cartoons were a "leader" for movies (along with the news and later, the B-reel movie on Saturday morning matinees), so the tradition predates TV.
It's really meaningless fluff now; I mean, most of the cartoons were just ads to get you buy the toys that related to the shows, right? Can't imagine how the infomercials really sell that well, but what do I know...?
Edit: I guess a variety of reasons contributed to its demise.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on November 13, 2013, 08:21:18 PM
Post by: roadman on November 13, 2013, 08:21:18 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 13, 2013, 07:58:50 PMMost of the cartoons NOW are just to get kids to buy either DVDS or toys related to the show. While there was some marketing of show-related products during the heyday of Saturday morning cartoons (1960s to early 1980s), it wasn't nearly as widespread as it is today.Quote from: bugo on November 13, 2013, 07:40:13 PM
I don't want to go back and read the entire thread, but has anybody mentioned Saturday morning cartoons? ...It makes me sad to know that this tradition has gone away.
That was our time, as a kid. Nobody would tell you to change the channel.
I never noticed this until about two years ago; there are no cartoons on any of the major networks on a Saturday morning, which surprised me when I flipped channels while watching with my daughter. Some of the cable networks do have cartoons, but essentially they're on at any time of day. My dad told me that back in the 1940's and 1950's cartoons were a "leader" for movies (along with the news and later, the B-reel movie on Saturday morning matinees), so the tradition predates TV.
It's really meaningless fluff now; I mean, most of the cartoons were just ads to get you buy the toys that related to the shows, right? Can't imagine how the infomercials really sell that well, but what do I know...?
Edit: I guess a variety of reasons contributed to its demise.
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Post by: allniter89 on November 13, 2013, 08:44:10 PM
Post by: allniter89 on November 13, 2013, 08:44:10 PM
Quote from: bugo on November 13, 2013, 07:40:13 PMI'm 60 yrs old and still remember the lyrics, hmm maybe i shouldnt admit that ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-t8PngHgWY
I don't want to go back and read the entire thread, but has anybody mentioned Saturday morning cartoons? Getting up early on Saturday to watch the Bugs Bunny show was a highlight of my childhood and a great influence on my life. I remember not being able to sleep on Friday night because I was so excited about the next day. It makes me sad to know that this tradition has gone away.
I was the oldest of 5 kids that included 4 boys. After marching around the living room to the opening theme the 5 of us sat silently, except for frequent laughter the entire hour. Mom said years later she was amazed (and thankful) that she had at least one hour of p&q Saturday mornings. I watched years later as a adult and still laughed my ass off. Another YATOIYR is Remember shooting marbles as a kid? Marble types named steelies, cateyes, smalleys, biggys. Do kids still shoot marbles? Probably not :-(((
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Post by: mgk920 on November 14, 2013, 02:15:56 AM
Post by: mgk920 on November 14, 2013, 02:15:56 AM
Ya know, I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of cartoon shorts and a current newsreel before feature movies in the theaters today.
:nod:
Mike
:nod:
Mike
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Post by: formulanone on November 14, 2013, 09:17:11 AM
Post by: formulanone on November 14, 2013, 09:17:11 AM
Pixar still has a short 5-10 minute cartoon before the feature presentation.
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Post by: DeaconG on November 14, 2013, 10:06:51 AM
Post by: DeaconG on November 14, 2013, 10:06:51 AM
Quote from: formulanone on November 13, 2013, 07:58:50 PMQuote from: bugo on November 13, 2013, 07:40:13 PM
I don't want to go back and read the entire thread, but has anybody mentioned Saturday morning cartoons? ...It makes me sad to know that this tradition has gone away.
That was our time, as a kid. Nobody would tell you to change the channel.
I never noticed this until about two years ago; there are no cartoons on any of the major networks on a Saturday morning, which surprised me when I flipped channels while watching with my daughter. Some of the cable networks do have cartoons, but essentially they're on at any time of day. My dad told me that back in the 1940's and 1950's cartoons were a "leader" for movies (along with the news and later, the B-reel movie on Saturday morning matinees), so the tradition predates TV.
It's really meaningless fluff now; I mean, most of the cartoons were just ads to get you buy the toys that related to the shows, right? Can't imagine how the infomercials really sell that well, but what do I know...?
Edit: I guess a variety of reasons contributed to its demise.
What I also liked about all the Warner Bros. cartoons from the 30s through the 50s was that the cartoons were written for two audiences-you had the obvious yuks for the kids and the more subtle humor for the adults (I didn't notice this until I was older and was watching the cartoons on TV and picked up on the subtle humor, especially if you recognized the history going on at the time).
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Post by: PHLBOS on November 14, 2013, 11:55:41 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on November 14, 2013, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on November 14, 2013, 10:06:51 AMThe reason for that was obvious... as menitoned earlier, those cartoon were originally movie shorts; which had a more varied audience. Similar held true for all Looney Tunes through the early 70s in some instances, Hanna-Barbera shorts (Tom & Jerry, Yogi Bear, Huckleberry Hound, etc.), Disney shorts, Pink Panther cartoons (the earlier ones) and, yes The Three Stooges. All of the above originally aired in theaters before being shown on the small screen decades later.Quote from: formulanone on November 13, 2013, 07:58:50 PMQuote from: bugo on November 13, 2013, 07:40:13 PM
I don't want to go back and read the entire thread, but has anybody mentioned Saturday morning cartoons? ...It makes me sad to know that this tradition has gone away.
That was our time, as a kid. Nobody would tell you to change the channel.
I never noticed this until about two years ago; there are no cartoons on any of the major networks on a Saturday morning, which surprised me when I flipped channels while watching with my daughter. Some of the cable networks do have cartoons, but essentially they're on at any time of day. My dad told me that back in the 1940's and 1950's cartoons were a "leader" for movies (along with the news and later, the B-reel movie on Saturday morning matinees), so the tradition predates TV.
It's really meaningless fluff now; I mean, most of the cartoons were just ads to get you buy the toys that related to the shows, right? Can't imagine how the infomercials really sell that well, but what do I know...?
Edit: I guess a variety of reasons contributed to its demise.
What I also liked about all the Warner Bros. cartoons from the 30s through the 50s was that the cartoons were written for two audiences-you had the obvious yuks for the kids and the more subtle humor for the adults (I didn't notice this until I was older and was watching the cartoons on TV and picked up on the subtle humor, especially if you recognized the history going on at the time).
Those shows & cartoons were never originally intended to be Kids Only shows.
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Post by: kurumi on November 14, 2013, 12:29:12 PM
Post by: kurumi on November 14, 2013, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on November 14, 2013, 10:06:51 AM
What I also liked about all the Warner Bros. cartoons from the 30s through the 50s was that the cartoons were written for two audiences-you had the obvious yuks for the kids and the more subtle humor for the adults (I didn't notice this until I was older and was watching the cartoons on TV and picked up on the subtle humor, especially if you recognized the history going on at the time).
From 1942 (I think this is Tweety Bird's debut): (http://youtu.be/w2GfXxXUJy4?t=1m31s)
Babbit: Give me the bird! Give me the bird!
Catstello: If the Hays Office would only let me, I'd give him the bird all right.
(I thought there was another one involving "give me a hand? No? Then how about giving me a finger" but I can't find that one.)
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Post by: Brian556 on November 14, 2013, 12:55:03 PM
Post by: Brian556 on November 14, 2013, 12:55:03 PM
Concerning "subtle humour": There are many instances in shows aimed towards kids where very vulgar jokes / comments are used, that probably will not be detected by kids.
The funniest I ever saw was on Zoey 101, where Victoria Justice said: "I don't do jobs". I laughed my ass off for about 5 minutes.
The funniest I ever saw was on Zoey 101, where Victoria Justice said: "I don't do jobs". I laughed my ass off for about 5 minutes.
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Post by: NE2 on November 14, 2013, 01:16:14 PM
Post by: NE2 on November 14, 2013, 01:16:14 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on November 14, 2013, 12:55:03 PMSometimes a job is just a job.
The funniest I ever saw was on Zoey 101, where Victoria Justice said: "I don't do jobs". I laughed my ass off for about 5 minutes.
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Post by: Brian556 on November 14, 2013, 03:03:57 PM
Post by: Brian556 on November 14, 2013, 03:03:57 PM
QuoteSometimes a job is just a job.
It really seemed intentional. How could anybody who knows what a "job" is not realize that many people would take it to mean that?
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Post by: cpzilliacus on November 14, 2013, 04:19:02 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 14, 2013, 04:19:02 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on November 14, 2013, 10:06:51 AM
What I also liked about all the Warner Bros. cartoons from the 30s through the 50s was that the cartoons were written for two audiences-you had the obvious yuks for the kids and the more subtle humor for the adults (I didn't notice this until I was older and was watching the cartoons on TV and picked up on the subtle humor, especially if you recognized the history going on at the time).
Definitely true of the Road Runner series of cartoons. And they had far-and-away the best music to go with the opening credits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwYQsZuh2CM
Edit: Mopar put the Road Runner to work selling its hopped-up Plymouth, and featured him in one of the best car commercials ever made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyHHzBdzc-s
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Post by: PHLBOS on November 14, 2013, 04:35:53 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on November 14, 2013, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 14, 2013, 04:19:02 PMMopar put the Road Runner to work selling its hopped-up Plymouth, and featured him in one of the best car commercials ever made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyHHzBdzc-sThe horns of those vehicles even did the signature Beep Beep when pressed as well.
The formula for the Plymouth Road Runner was simple: take a mid-size Plymouth coupe (Belvedere then later Satellite and even the Volare) with little or no options and add a high perfromance engine and Voila!
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Post by: roadman on November 14, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
Post by: roadman on November 14, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
Until Warner Brothers outsourced their animation department to DePaite-Freling (best known for the Pink Panther cartoons) in the mid-1960s, the Road Runner cartoons also had several ground rules that could not be breached. Chief among these was 1) the Road Runner never left the paved road and 2) the Coyote never spoke.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 14, 2013, 05:04:19 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 14, 2013, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on November 12, 2013, 11:16:28 PMYeah but now its many of those who have lived down here for years wearing shorts in all types of temperatures. It used to be the newbees wearing shorts in sub 70 degree weather, but now you see just as many long time locals in shorts as much as the tourists or newcomers.Quote from: formulanone on November 10, 2013, 06:25:16 PM
^ I moved to Florida in the early-1980s, and it wasn't uncommon back then or now to see a mix of folks wearing shorts and someone donning a fur coat when it turned 59 degrees. Everyone seems to be caught off-guard or over-prepares during the first "cold snap". Of course, this varies on where you lived: Gainesville or Tallahassee might hit 30 for a high, while Miami's enjoying 75-80 degrees that afternoon. Or Tampa having a February morning of 35 with fog, warming up to 80 by mid-day, just to make things difficult.
So it seems like it's always been (ab)normal to see that...on the other hand, winter or autumn clothing lasts 20+ years.
I moved to Florida in November 1984 and I thought it was just delightful to walk around in a T-shirt and shorts while the locals were sliding on sweaters and looking at me funny.
Late 1985? I was the local in the long pants and sweaters looking at the ones without and going "Just got here, huh? You'll learn..."
I worked for a national uniform service company and all the drivers would wear their short pants (the company provided both long and short pants as uniform) on days where the temps hit 30 along with their heavy winter jackets. Yet inside the plant where the employees were shielded from the cold, we wore our long pants cause it still was not warm enough for us.
I think shorts now are some sort of political statement it would seem as its being even worn in church to worship where pastors and priests are not saying anything anymore.
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Post by: NE2 on November 14, 2013, 05:05:34 PM
Post by: NE2 on November 14, 2013, 05:05:34 PM
Back in my day we all wore straitjackets to church.
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Post by: roadman on November 14, 2013, 05:09:06 PM
Post by: roadman on November 14, 2013, 05:09:06 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 14, 2013, 04:35:53 PMThe horns of those vehicles even did the signature Beep Beep when pressed as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyHHzBdzc-s
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The cartoon Road Runner's voice was originally just that - a 1940s klaxon horn. Mel Blanc noted in his autobiography that he was asked to do the sound years later when the studio lost the original horn.
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Post by: 1995hoo on November 14, 2013, 05:10:16 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on November 14, 2013, 05:10:16 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on November 14, 2013, 03:03:57 PMQuoteSometimes a job is just a job.
It really seemed intentional. How could anybody who knows what a "job" is not realize that many people would take it to mean that?
I've always wondered whether the person who wrote Shawn Johnson's Ortega commercial realized the double entendre. I'm sure she did.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on November 14, 2013, 06:21:43 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 14, 2013, 06:21:43 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 14, 2013, 05:04:19 PM
I think shorts now are some sort of political statement it would seem as its being even worn in church to worship where pastors and priests are not saying anything anymore.
yeah damn those silent pastors.
... wait what?
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Post by: PHLBOS on November 15, 2013, 08:16:53 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on November 15, 2013, 08:16:53 AM
Quote from: roadman on November 14, 2013, 04:56:46 PMWhat was the reasoning for those ground rules (I never knew of such)?
Until Warner Brothers outsourced their animation department to DePaite-Freling (best known for the Pink Panther cartoons) in the mid-1960s, the Road Runner cartoons also had several ground rules that could not be breached. Chief among these was 1) the Road Runner never left the paved road and 2) the Coyote never spoke.
I never really paid attention to #1 and other than some screams the only 2 episodes (involving just the Road Runner & the Coyote) I remember the Coyote actually saying anything was the episode where he get caught in a beartrap (he's walking in the shape of the trap and just says "Ouch.") and the other turns into a TV show where 2 kids are watching and asks why does the Coyote want to eat the Road Runner in the first place (that episode replays the Acme Batman outfit scene as well as the Greco-Roman catapult malfunctions).
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Post by: roadman on November 15, 2013, 02:57:41 PM
Post by: roadman on November 15, 2013, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 15, 2013, 08:16:53 AMQuote from: roadman on November 14, 2013, 04:56:46 PMWhat was the reasoning for those ground rules (I never knew of such)?
Until Warner Brothers outsourced their animation department to DePaite-Freling (best known for the Pink Panther cartoons) in the mid-1960s, the Road Runner cartoons also had several ground rules that could not be breached. Chief among these was 1) the Road Runner never left the paved road and 2) the Coyote never spoke.
I never really paid attention to #1 and other than some screams the only 2 episodes (involving just the Road Runner & the Coyote) I remember the Coyote actually saying anything was the episode where he get caught in a beartrap (he's walking in the shape of the trap and just says "Ouch.") and the other turns into a TV show where 2 kids are watching and asks why does the Coyote want to eat the Road Runner in the first place (that episode replays the Acme Batman outfit scene as well as the Greco-Roman catapult malfunctions).
According to Mel Blanc's autobiography, the ground rules I mentioned were actually established by Chuck Jones, the series' creator. However, Mr. Blanc gave no reasons as to why the rules existed. Rule # 1 actually gave rise to the infamous "Coyote paints a white line across the desert to trap Road Runner" gag that appeared in several variations over the years.
And the "turns into a TV show" episode you mentioned was actually a cut-down version of a 20 minute feature called "Tales of The Road Runner" done for Warner Brothers in the late 1960s by DePaite-Freling. It hasn't been shown on TV in years, but a nicely restored version of it appears in one of the early Looney Toons DVD collections.
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Post by: SSOWorld on November 15, 2013, 10:45:51 PM
Post by: SSOWorld on November 15, 2013, 10:45:51 PM
You remember when I-39 in wisconsin north of Portage didn't exist - better yet - it was a 2-lane road between Point and Portage!
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Post by: vtk on November 16, 2013, 09:11:22 PM
Post by: vtk on November 16, 2013, 09:11:22 PM
... the Challenger disaster.
I have two memories from that year, and both are about mildly unpleasant experiences while someone other than Mom was looking after me.
I have two memories from that year, and both are about mildly unpleasant experiences while someone other than Mom was looking after me.
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Post by: DeaconG on November 16, 2013, 10:08:28 PM
Post by: DeaconG on November 16, 2013, 10:08:28 PM
I worked Shuttle prelaunch support for Challenger on the graveyard shift; looking at TV pictures of parts of the service structure covered in ice I said to myself "They aren't launching, they'd be fools to do so." It was unseasonably cold that morning when I left work.
I woke up that afternoon to loops of the shuttle blowing up.
It's been a long time since I used the language I used at the top of my voice in my apartment that day. My former coworkers who worked the launch still won't discuss it.
I woke up that afternoon to loops of the shuttle blowing up.
It's been a long time since I used the language I used at the top of my voice in my apartment that day. My former coworkers who worked the launch still won't discuss it.
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Post by: elsmere241 on November 16, 2013, 11:22:41 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on November 16, 2013, 11:22:41 PM
I didn't see it live, but the principal came on the intercom and announced it. (I was in 8th grade.)
That day was also the beginning of the end for my sister's battle with leukemia. She turned five in February and died the first week in August.
That day was also the beginning of the end for my sister's battle with leukemia. She turned five in February and died the first week in August.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 17, 2013, 02:17:57 AM
Post by: roadman65 on November 17, 2013, 02:17:57 AM
I remember that day just like 9/11. I heard my sister announce it as I was working the swing shift at Steak and Ale in Clark, NJ that the shuttle blew up. The first thought was Krista McCullough, the teacher who was not a normal astronaut, as the news media for weeks played the story of the teacher chosen to go up in space as part of a special program for the shuttle mission. I thought of her perishing first as she was the first time a civilian was chosen to do something like this.
Anyway, I rushed to the television and Dan Rathner was the anchorman during the special news break, and then seen it all on replay after replay with the announcement first stating "malfunction" and then later confirming the shuttle blowing up. I was in disbelief as I felt that the crew was up in space at the time doing their mission.
Anyway, I rushed to the television and Dan Rathner was the anchorman during the special news break, and then seen it all on replay after replay with the announcement first stating "malfunction" and then later confirming the shuttle blowing up. I was in disbelief as I felt that the crew was up in space at the time doing their mission.
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Post by: bugo on November 17, 2013, 07:09:56 AM
Post by: bugo on November 17, 2013, 07:09:56 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on November 14, 2013, 10:06:51 AMQuote from: formulanone on November 13, 2013, 07:58:50 PMQuote from: bugo on November 13, 2013, 07:40:13 PM
I don't want to go back and read the entire thread, but has anybody mentioned Saturday morning cartoons? ...It makes me sad to know that this tradition has gone away.
That was our time, as a kid. Nobody would tell you to change the channel.
I never noticed this until about two years ago; there are no cartoons on any of the major networks on a Saturday morning, which surprised me when I flipped channels while watching with my daughter. Some of the cable networks do have cartoons, but essentially they're on at any time of day. My dad told me that back in the 1940's and 1950's cartoons were a "leader" for movies (along with the news and later, the B-reel movie on Saturday morning matinees), so the tradition predates TV.
It's really meaningless fluff now; I mean, most of the cartoons were just ads to get you buy the toys that related to the shows, right? Can't imagine how the infomercials really sell that well, but what do I know...?
Edit: I guess a variety of reasons contributed to its demise.
What I also liked about all the Warner Bros. cartoons from the 30s through the 50s was that the cartoons were written for two audiences-you had the obvious yuks for the kids and the more subtle humor for the adults (I didn't notice this until I was older and was watching the cartoons on TV and picked up on the subtle humor, especially if you recognized the history going on at the time).
Yes! I didn't realize it until I was grown. A modern cartoon like this is Spongebob.
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Post by: bugo on November 17, 2013, 07:12:28 AM
Post by: bugo on November 17, 2013, 07:12:28 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 08, 2013, 05:22:16 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on November 08, 2013, 03:55:08 PMYou are too old if you remember cleaning the crap off the rollers of a mouse at a public computer.
All things considered, this problem is a lot less annoying than the smut deposits I had to deal with when I still used mice with mechanical tracking (another "You are too old if you remember . . ." item which I am quite happy to forget, TYVM).
25 is "too old"?
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Post by: bugo on November 17, 2013, 07:14:03 AM
Post by: bugo on November 17, 2013, 07:14:03 AM
I use a corded mouse with my laptop. If I misplace the mouse, I only have to follow the cord to find it. No batteries to die. Scott's concerns are another reason that I haven't gone wireless.
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Post by: Brandon on November 17, 2013, 07:56:56 AM
Post by: Brandon on November 17, 2013, 07:56:56 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on November 15, 2013, 10:45:51 PM
You remember when I-39 in wisconsin north of Portage didn't exist - better yet - it was a 2-lane road between Point and Portage!
Or you remember when I-39 did not exist at all.
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Post by: NE2 on November 17, 2013, 08:19:35 AM
Post by: NE2 on November 17, 2013, 08:19:35 AM
Quote from: bugo on November 17, 2013, 07:12:28 AMYep. Into the ovens.
25 is "too old"?
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Post by: Brandon on November 17, 2013, 09:32:56 AM
Post by: Brandon on November 17, 2013, 09:32:56 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 17, 2013, 08:19:35 AMQuote from: bugo on November 17, 2013, 07:12:28 AMYep. Into the ovens.
25 is "too old"?
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Post by: US71 on November 17, 2013, 09:39:18 AM
Post by: US71 on November 17, 2013, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: bugo on November 17, 2013, 07:14:03 AMMy dads (well, my mom's now)Mac has a wireless mouse. I replaced it when it "died"every 2 months and it became a chore to replace the batteries. I'm surprised I haven't had to replace the wireless keyboard.
I use a corded mouse with my laptop. If I misplace the mouse, I only have to follow the cord to find it. No batteries to die. Scott's concerns are another reason that I haven't gone wireless.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 17, 2013, 09:53:13 AM
Post by: roadman65 on November 17, 2013, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: Brandon on November 17, 2013, 07:56:56 AMI remember when I-43 did not exist either.Quote from: SSOWorld on November 15, 2013, 10:45:51 PM
You remember when I-39 in wisconsin north of Portage didn't exist - better yet - it was a 2-lane road between Point and Portage!
Or you remember when I-39 did not exist at all.
Also when I-75 stopped at Tampa instead of Miami.
When I-40 ended at Raliegh at the current I-440/ US 1 & Wade Avenue interchange instead of Wilmington.
When I-664 in Hampton Roads was only a dotted line on all maps.
When US 301 crossed the Rappannock River at Port Conway on a drawbridge.
When the original two lane James River Bridge was there and its current bridge was under construction twice! I saw both it's two lane original followed by its widening project.
When I-95 did not go through the Fort McHenry Tunnel, or should I say when it was discontinuous through Baltimore.
When I-95 had its own separate sequential exit numbers for both the JFK Highway and its independent freeway. There was no Exit 1, but started with Exit 2 at the I-695 interchange even though the actual toll facility started at MD 43 with ramp tolls at all exits in MD and even DE on three DE Tpk interchanges.
That is it for what I care to remember for now.
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Post by: J N Winkler on November 17, 2013, 10:22:58 AM
Post by: J N Winkler on November 17, 2013, 10:22:58 AM
Quote from: US71 on November 17, 2013, 09:39:18 AMI'm surprised I haven't had to replace the wireless keyboard.
Wireless keyboards drain far less current, so they go for much longer between battery changes--the main thing that kills them is mechanical wear.
When I cut the cord in 2006, I got a wireless keyboard/mouse combo. The keyboard takes two AAA batteries and usually goes for at least a month between battery changes. The mouse takes two AA batteries and I was lucky to go for about two weeks between battery changes (no power-saving sleep function). Since the keyboard had coil-sprung keys (like the old Model M keyboards) and I was untroubled by the short battery-change intervals for the mouse (I always have a charger and spare batteries in the same room as the computer), I continued using the combo after I purchased a new computer in 2011.
However, in 2012 I had to replace the mouse because it was no longer registering clicks properly. I determined that this was because the clicker box inside the mouse had gotten dirty from wax buildup, so I cleaned it and the mouse worked more reliably. Unfortunately I lost a spring when it flew out as I was disassembling the mouse for diagnosis and repair, so I started having problems with spurious clicks, and decided to replace the mouse altogether. I decided to treat myself to a Logitech Anywhere MX mouse, whose advertising claimed multi-month battery life and infrared tracking (I was tired of feeling like I was risking my eyesight whenever I lifted the mouse).
The Anywhere MX has turned out to be a bit of a disappointment--battery life is more like a few weeks since I use my computer too intensively to trip the power-saving sleep function often, and tracking issues have developed after just a year of use. But I still use the keyboard I bought in 2006 even though there is now so much wear on the home keys that only the "J" and ";/:" keys still have fully readable labels. It drops keystrokes when line of sight to the receiver unit becomes attenuated, but this problem is not bad enough that I have felt justified hunting for a replacement. I am in any case not aware of any Bluetooth keyboard models with coil-sprung keys.
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Post by: bugo on November 18, 2013, 01:25:48 AM
Post by: bugo on November 18, 2013, 01:25:48 AM
There were 2 narrow truss bridges over the Fourche LaFave River and its relief just north of "Y" City, Arkansas, on US 71. They were removed in the early '80s. The bridges were quite different from each other.
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Post by: roadman on November 18, 2013, 06:24:31 PM
Post by: roadman on November 18, 2013, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 17, 2013, 02:17:57 AMI remember the Challenger disaster very well. That morning, I was planning to go into Downtown Boston and make the rounds with my contacts at MassDPW and the MBTA about possible job openings. However, as it was bitterly cold outside, my parents and I decided my rounds could wait another day. Later that morning, I watched the liftoff with my father (one of the last times we watched a major news event on TV together before he passed away). Right after the explosion, but before NASA made any statements, something in my brain clicked and I recall turning to my father and stating "Dad, I believe it just blew up!"
I remember that day just like 9/11. I heard my sister announce it as I was working the swing shift at Steak and Ale in Clark, NJ that the shuttle blew up. The first thought was Krista McCullough, the teacher who was not a normal astronaut, as the news media for weeks played the story of the teacher chosen to go up in space as part of a special program for the shuttle mission. I thought of her perishing first as she was the first time a civilian was chosen to do something like this.
Anyway, I rushed to the television and Dan Rathner was the anchorman during the special news break, and then seen it all on replay after replay with the announcement first stating "malfunction" and then later confirming the shuttle blowing up. I was in disbelief as I felt that the crew was up in space at the time doing their mission.
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Post by: Takumi on November 18, 2013, 06:30:11 PM
Post by: Takumi on November 18, 2013, 06:30:11 PM
I was supposed to be born on the day the Challenger blew up. Thankfully, I stayed in the womb another week.
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Post by: roadman on November 18, 2013, 06:41:59 PM
Post by: roadman on November 18, 2013, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: Takumi on November 18, 2013, 06:30:11 PMUntil I turned 16 and looked up my birth certificate before going for my learner's permit, my parents always celebrated my birthday on September 11th instead of September 10th (my next oldest brother was born on September 18th, so my mother was thinking "a week apart" with the dates). It's a good thing we straightened it out, otherwise my 40th birthday would have been on September 11th, 2001. I still recall answering my brother's "so what do you think of all this (9/11)" question with the comment "Well, I sure didn't expect the world to fall apart so quickly after turning forty!"
I was supposed to be born on the day the Challenger blew up. Thankfully, I stayed in the womb another week.
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Post by: formulanone on November 19, 2013, 07:12:42 AM
Post by: formulanone on November 19, 2013, 07:12:42 AM
I remember seeing the Challenger Disaster from outside our classroom in school (one of the perks of living in coastal Florida). Usually, the shuttle just "disappears" out of the atmosphere; so as kids, we were largely oblivious to what occurred, especially since there were clouds in our sky. Some kids heard about the explosion during the class break (somebody had a half-day field trip where they heard about on TV), but I figured it was the usual middle-school banter. It wasn't until two hours later in which my civics teacher broke the news to us, which changed the subject matter.
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Post by: 1995hoo on November 19, 2013, 08:20:07 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on November 19, 2013, 08:20:07 AM
The day of the Challenger explosion we were home from school because it was a teacher workday. Our father stayed home from work because our mother was a teacher. My brother and I were playing Intellivision games when our father came in abruptly and changed the TV to the news. He'd just gotten a call from someone telling him about the shuttle.
Naturally, as I was in junior high at the time, the next morning at school people were already telling "cruelty" jokes like how you knew Christa McAuliffe had dandruff and stuff like that.
Naturally, as I was in junior high at the time, the next morning at school people were already telling "cruelty" jokes like how you knew Christa McAuliffe had dandruff and stuff like that.
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Post by: elsmere241 on November 19, 2013, 08:52:20 AM
Post by: elsmere241 on November 19, 2013, 08:52:20 AM
When the announcement came on the intercom, several students were griping that our English teacher (who had put in for the program) wasn't the teacher on the shuttle.
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Post by: Big John on November 19, 2013, 09:30:05 AM
Post by: Big John on November 19, 2013, 09:30:05 AM
I was in High School when that happened. A lunch monitor told us about it then the next class was Physics and the teacher had the TV on for coverage and the whole class period was spent watching that on TV.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 19, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
Post by: roadman65 on November 19, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2013, 08:20:07 AMI heard even worse, like an acronym for NASA being Need Another Seven Astronauts. That was the very same day mind you. People thought it was funny, but how crude being seven people lost their lives.
Naturally, as I was in junior high at the time, the next morning at school people were already telling "cruelty" jokes like how you knew Christa McAuliffe had dandruff and stuff like that.
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Post by: roadman on November 19, 2013, 10:37:55 AM
Post by: roadman on November 19, 2013, 10:37:55 AM
Question for all of you musing about the Challenger disaster - can you remember where you were when you first heard about Three Mile Island. I was a junior in high school at the time, and we found out about it from our physics teacher. Not only that, but over the next several days until the event was contained, our teacher used the event to give us a quick primer in nuclear physics.
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Post by: Brandon on November 19, 2013, 10:39:10 AM
Post by: Brandon on November 19, 2013, 10:39:10 AM
I'll be darned if I can remember where I was for the Challenger disaster. However, thinking of the recent tornadoes here (Washington & Coal City, IL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_17,_2013_tornado_outbreak)), I remember most details of August 28, 1990 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plainfield_Tornado).
It's funny how we remember where we were for certain events, but not others.
It's funny how we remember where we were for certain events, but not others.
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Post by: elsmere241 on November 19, 2013, 10:45:10 AM
Post by: elsmere241 on November 19, 2013, 10:45:10 AM
I don't remember Three Mile Island, but I was all of six at the time.
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Post by: 1995hoo on November 19, 2013, 10:57:21 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on November 19, 2013, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: roadman on November 19, 2013, 10:37:55 AM
Question for all of you musing about the Challenger disaster - can you remember where you were when you first heard about Three Mile Island. I was a junior in high school at the time, and we found out about it from our physics teacher. Not only that, but over the next several days until the event was contained, our teacher used the event to give us a quick primer in nuclear physics.
I was also six years old in 1979, so I don't remember that one.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 19, 2013, 09:48:21 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2013, 08:20:07 AMI heard even worse, like an acronym for NASA being Need Another Seven Astronauts. That was the very same day mind you. People thought it was funny, but how crude being seven people lost their lives.
Naturally, as I was in junior high at the time, the next morning at school people were already telling "cruelty" jokes like how you knew Christa McAuliffe had dandruff and stuff like that.
True....although I have to acknowledge there have been some jokes on this forum about the signage for the partial interchange between I-95 and FL-407. I know, it's being expanded, but the combination was quite unfortunate: http://goo.gl/maps/Klhqd
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Post by: agentsteel53 on November 19, 2013, 11:27:10 AM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 19, 2013, 11:27:10 AM
I remember all of May, 1986 (my last full month of living in Hungary) being dedicated to discussing some event called "Chernobyl". I turned 5 on the 18th of that month, so it took me several years to piece together exactly what had been discussed.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on November 19, 2013, 11:33:48 AM
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 19, 2013, 11:33:48 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2013, 08:20:07 AMthe next morning at school people were already telling "cruelty" jokes like how you knew Christa McAuliffe had dandruff and stuff like that.
... I don't get it.
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Post by: akotchi on November 19, 2013, 01:01:15 PM
Post by: akotchi on November 19, 2013, 01:01:15 PM
Quote from: roadman on November 19, 2013, 10:37:55 AMI was an 8th grader (I think) in the Lancaster, PA, area, 25 miles or so from the plant. We had the Thursday, Friday and Monday after the incident off from school until they were able to figure out the extent of the damage and radiation threat. My father worked in Middletown, PA at the time, much closer to the plant, but still had to go to work.
Question for all of you musing about the Challenger disaster - can you remember where you were when you first heard about Three Mile Island. I was a junior in high school at the time, and we found out about it from our physics teacher. Not only that, but over the next several days until the event was contained, our teacher used the event to give us a quick primer in nuclear physics.
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Post by: NE2 on November 19, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
Post by: NE2 on November 19, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 19, 2013, 11:33:48 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2013, 08:20:07 AMthe next morning at school people were already telling "cruelty" jokes like how you knew Christa McAuliffe had dandruff and stuff like that.
... I don't get it.
This I guess? http://books.google.com/books?id=sHfVZFl4JTIC&pg=PA130
I still don't quite get it but bengoatse.
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Post by: 1995hoo on November 19, 2013, 01:19:41 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on November 19, 2013, 01:19:41 PM
I sent him a PM with the punchline. Figured it was a little tasteless to post in the thread.
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Post by: vtk on November 19, 2013, 02:14:02 PM
Post by: vtk on November 19, 2013, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 19, 2013, 10:39:10 AM
It's funny how we remember where we were for certain events, but not others.
I tend to remember where I was for almost all remembered events. To put it another way, nearly all my memories have georeferencing metadata (starting around 1988—90).
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Post by: bugo on November 24, 2013, 08:16:35 AM
Post by: bugo on November 24, 2013, 08:16:35 AM
Head and Shoulders on the beach...
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Post by: cjk374 on November 24, 2013, 07:39:48 PM
Post by: cjk374 on November 24, 2013, 07:39:48 PM
What about actually changing the channel or adjusting the volume on the TV...MANUALLY! Or having to go outside to change the direction of the TV antenna to get better reception.
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Post by: elsmere241 on November 24, 2013, 08:18:22 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on November 24, 2013, 08:18:22 PM
Or getting cable for the first time and finding something different on every channel.
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Post by: formulanone on November 24, 2013, 09:05:18 PM
Post by: formulanone on November 24, 2013, 09:05:18 PM
TVs that didn't tell you the station / volume level on the screen, getting actual black & white static on the screen, and the tiny white dot that remained on the center of the screen when you shut it off.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on November 24, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 24, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on November 24, 2013, 07:39:48 PM
What about actually changing the channel or adjusting the volume on the TV...MANUALLY!
Yes.
Quote from: cjk374 on November 24, 2013, 07:39:48 PM
Or having to go outside to change the direction of the TV antenna to get better reception.
No. Rabbit ear-type antennas, yes.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 24, 2013, 09:14:22 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 24, 2013, 09:14:22 PM
How about when you had to wait a minuet or so for the set to warm up? How about siting through the commercials, because we had no clicker to change the stations during break? I also remember the show them songs that were played at the beginning and end of programs instead of the credits in very small letters while the network wants to sell you some other program at the end. Then of course the opening credits now are displayed during the first scene in many shows.
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Post by: DeaconG on November 24, 2013, 09:16:43 PM
Post by: DeaconG on November 24, 2013, 09:16:43 PM
Or using a modified coat hanger to get UHF stations when the loop that came with your TV broke...
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Post by: D-Dey65 on November 24, 2013, 09:34:15 PM
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 24, 2013, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on November 24, 2013, 09:16:43 PMBeen there. Hey, who used to get radio and TV signals from other parts of the country that they're not supposed to be in?
Or using a modified coat hanger to get UHF stations when the loop that came with your TV broke...
:wave:
And who's families had cars that got radio signals from places like Pittsburgh and Kansas City while driving on the Long Island Expressway?
:wave:
Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2013, 03:11:46 PMDon't count on it. I frequently encounter senior citizens who can't handle temperatures under 60 degrees, and I'm often one of the only people around who scoff at 40 degree weather.
Also on that note, when in Florida or anyplace warm year round, if you moved to either of these two places from any of the 4 season's states and wore short pants in 60 degree weather, the locals would look at you funny. I remember when people from Florida would consider low 70s with no humidity as too cold for shorts or even to go swimming in. It seems like blood does not thin out anymore here in Florida even when it drops down in the 30's with a strong windchill!
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Post by: thenetwork on November 24, 2013, 10:55:56 PM
Post by: thenetwork on November 24, 2013, 10:55:56 PM
When Domino's Pizza had their own little hatchback cars which delivered their pizza.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 25, 2013, 08:43:30 AM
Post by: roadman65 on November 25, 2013, 08:43:30 AM
How about when boom boxes were carried by almost every young person on the streets in urban and even suburban areas. Even the beach back in the 90's people would bring them there as it was very common.
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Post by: vtk on November 25, 2013, 12:20:39 PM
Post by: vtk on November 25, 2013, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 24, 2013, 09:05:18 PM
the tiny white dot that remained on the center of the screen when you shut it off.
Ours made a blue & green crescent shape in the center. Dad said it was because the TV was old, so maybe it had been a concentrated white spot when the set was new.
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Post by: PHLBOS on November 25, 2013, 01:20:01 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on November 25, 2013, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 25, 2013, 08:43:30 AMAs were small, battery-powered transitor radios before the boom-box circa late 60s/early 70s.
How about when boom boxes were carried by almost every young person on the streets in urban and even suburban areas. Even the beach back in the 90's people would bring them there as it was very common.
Back in high school, one guy had a boom-box that included a turntable; the thing was as big as a suitcase.
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Post by: hm insulators on November 26, 2013, 03:36:58 PM
Post by: hm insulators on November 26, 2013, 03:36:58 PM
While were on the subject of music-playing devices, how about stereo consoles? My father had one while I was growing up in the '60s and '70s. These were stereo systems where all the works (receiver, turntable [no CD player in those days, only vinyl records, of course!], controls and so forth) were placed inside huge wooden boxes that looked like pieces of fine furniture. To use it, you first had to open the lid in the top of the box to get at the works. The favorite feature on these was the "automatic record changer" whereas you stacked three or four records on the spindle, then when you turned on the record player, the disk would drop to the turntable and finally, the tone arm would automatically settle on the record. When the record's side was finished playing, the tone arm would lift up and move out of the way to allow the next record to drop on top of the first one.
These days, we vinyl junkies cringe at the thought of the records' grooves scraping against one another, scratching them. Those tone arms were heavy in those days; great at ruining records!
These days, we vinyl junkies cringe at the thought of the records' grooves scraping against one another, scratching them. Those tone arms were heavy in those days; great at ruining records!
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Post by: PHLBOS on November 26, 2013, 03:49:14 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on November 26, 2013, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: hm insulators on November 26, 2013, 03:36:58 PMJudging by the above-description; it sounds like you're describing a hi-fi (high fidelity, the precursor to the stereo) system.
While were on the subject of music-playing devices, how about stereo consoles? My father had one while I was growing up in the '60s and '70s. These were stereo systems where all the works (receiver, turntable [no CD player in those days, only vinyl records, of course!], controls and so forth) were placed inside huge wooden boxes that looked like pieces of fine furniture. To use it, you first had to open the lid in the top of the box to get at the works. The favorite feature on these was the "automatic record changer" whereas you stacked three or four records on the spindle, then when you turned on the record player, the disk would drop to the turntable and finally, the tone arm would automatically settle on the record. When the record's side was finished playing, the tone arm would lift up and move out of the way to allow the next record to drop on top of the first one.
My brother's then-girlfriend's parents had one of those that was still working even in the late 1980s.
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Post by: roadman on November 26, 2013, 07:45:20 PM
Post by: roadman on November 26, 2013, 07:45:20 PM
For that matter, how about console TVs. In his younger years (1950s to early 1970s), my father was a TV junkie, and would buy a new (and usually larger) set about every three or four years. The first set I recall was a early 1960s black and white Magnavox console set (VHF only, no UHF) that had an early remote control. The channel knob was attached to a motor-activated cam that turned the knob clockwise when you pushed the button on the remote.
You could manually turn the channel knob clockwise, but if you dared to manually turn the knob counter-clockwise (as us kids did on more than one occasion that I recall), it resulted in a visit from the TV repairman, a big repair bill, and usually some form of punishment for whomever Dad determined had turned the knob the wrong way.
Shortly after moving to our second house in 1966, my dad replaced the Magnavox with a larger RCA console that had not only color, but UHF as well. In addition, my father splurged for an outside antenna. In 1970, my dad upgraded again, to a Zenith console that was a solid-state set.
The last TV my parents bought was a Sylvania solid state console in 1974, which I took after my mother died in 1989. That old Sylvania served me very well until about 2005, when the picture tube finally failed.
One of the reasons I remember my father's later TV purchases very well is because I usually went with him to the local stores for the obligatory research. As there were no box stores or Internet, the "pre-purchase" research for a new TV set could often take between three and eight consecutive Saturday afternoons of going to various dealers before deciding on a suitable model.
You could manually turn the channel knob clockwise, but if you dared to manually turn the knob counter-clockwise (as us kids did on more than one occasion that I recall), it resulted in a visit from the TV repairman, a big repair bill, and usually some form of punishment for whomever Dad determined had turned the knob the wrong way.
Shortly after moving to our second house in 1966, my dad replaced the Magnavox with a larger RCA console that had not only color, but UHF as well. In addition, my father splurged for an outside antenna. In 1970, my dad upgraded again, to a Zenith console that was a solid-state set.
The last TV my parents bought was a Sylvania solid state console in 1974, which I took after my mother died in 1989. That old Sylvania served me very well until about 2005, when the picture tube finally failed.
One of the reasons I remember my father's later TV purchases very well is because I usually went with him to the local stores for the obligatory research. As there were no box stores or Internet, the "pre-purchase" research for a new TV set could often take between three and eight consecutive Saturday afternoons of going to various dealers before deciding on a suitable model.
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Post by: DeaconG on November 26, 2013, 10:25:44 PM
Post by: DeaconG on November 26, 2013, 10:25:44 PM
When my family moved into their last home in Philly in 1965, my dad bought a 25-inch color Magnavox console TV; for a kid like me who had to suffer from black and white TV's prior, it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Of course, about five years later it dies, it was taken to the local TV repair shop and it was never seen again. (My dad had passed and my mom didn't have the money to pay for it, so that was that).
Fast forward to 1989, when one of my co-workers went out and bought a 25-inch Zenith color console for his house. I thought he was nuts then (I'd bought a 25-inch Sharp color monitor to replace my first color set), I was even further irritated when he got divorced and moved into my apartment complex in 1990...and guess who had to help him walk that heavy ass POS UP TWO FLIGHTS OF STAIRS to his apartment (the elevator couldn't handle the size).
I was never so glad to see those go by the wayside...
Fast forward to 1989, when one of my co-workers went out and bought a 25-inch Zenith color console for his house. I thought he was nuts then (I'd bought a 25-inch Sharp color monitor to replace my first color set), I was even further irritated when he got divorced and moved into my apartment complex in 1990...and guess who had to help him walk that heavy ass POS UP TWO FLIGHTS OF STAIRS to his apartment (the elevator couldn't handle the size).
I was never so glad to see those go by the wayside...
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Post by: DeaconG on November 26, 2013, 10:28:23 PM
Post by: DeaconG on November 26, 2013, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: hm insulators on November 26, 2013, 03:36:58 PM
While were on the subject of music-playing devices, how about stereo consoles? My father had one while I was growing up in the '60s and '70s. These were stereo systems where all the works (receiver, turntable [no CD player in those days, only vinyl records, of course!], controls and so forth) were placed inside huge wooden boxes that looked like pieces of fine furniture. To use it, you first had to open the lid in the top of the box to get at the works. The favorite feature on these was the "automatic record changer" whereas you stacked three or four records on the spindle, then when you turned on the record player, the disk would drop to the turntable and finally, the tone arm would automatically settle on the record. When the record's side was finished playing, the tone arm would lift up and move out of the way to allow the next record to drop on top of the first one.
These days, we vinyl junkies cringe at the thought of the records' grooves scraping against one another, scratching them. Those tone arms were heavy in those days; great at ruining records!
My aunt in Philly still has hers, a Telefunken bought in the late 50s...of course, it doesn't work any more, but it's a great vintage piece of furniture! Plus, it had three SHORTWAVE bands! Woo hoo!
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Post by: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 08:37:16 AM
Post by: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 08:37:16 AM
When TV sets and radios had tubes inside of them. The local electronics stores used to have a tube tester in each store for the consumer to see if they are still operational.
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Post by: elsmere241 on November 28, 2013, 04:08:07 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on November 28, 2013, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 08:37:16 AM
When TV sets and radios had tubes inside of them. The local electronics stores used to have a tube tester in each store for the consumer to see if they are still operational.
And the tubes glowed in the dark. My grandmother's old radio left an interesting reflection in my bedroom at night.
Along those lines - when some radios (including some car radios) were AM only, and some FM stations simulcast on AM.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 05:09:25 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: elsmere241 on November 28, 2013, 04:08:07 PMI remember FM radios when they first came out in cars were an option and the consumer's paid extra for it.Quote from: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 08:37:16 AM
When TV sets and radios had tubes inside of them. The local electronics stores used to have a tube tester in each store for the consumer to see if they are still operational.
And the tubes glowed in the dark. My grandmother's old radio left an interesting reflection in my bedroom at night.
Along those lines - when some radios (including some car radios) were AM only, and some FM stations simulcast on AM.
I remember when the tape decks, also, came out (both 8 Track and Cassette) as an option too! It was not until the late 80's tape decks (later CD players) were made standard in autos. Now, I think that its CD and MP3 which are normal, but surprised AM is still around as I do not know if anyone listens to it anymore. Not to stereotype individuals, but even political talk radio is moving to FM, or at least in Orlando is. Q96 FM, Orlando's last Classic Rock Station, became talk radio a few years ago as demographics have shifted in recent years along with whatever 104.5 FM was is now host to Beck and Limbaugh.
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Post by: bugo on November 28, 2013, 08:20:29 PM
Post by: bugo on November 28, 2013, 08:20:29 PM
Quote from: hm insulators on November 26, 2013, 03:36:58 PM
While were on the subject of music-playing devices, how about stereo consoles? My father had one while I was growing up in the '60s and '70s. These were stereo systems where all the works (receiver, turntable [no CD player in those days, only vinyl records, of course!], controls and so forth) were placed inside huge wooden boxes that looked like pieces of fine furniture. To use it, you first had to open the lid in the top of the box to get at the works. The favorite feature on these was the "automatic record changer" whereas you stacked three or four records on the spindle, then when you turned on the record player, the disk would drop to the turntable and finally, the tone arm would automatically settle on the record. When the record's side was finished playing, the tone arm would lift up and move out of the way to allow the next record to drop on top of the first one.
We had a couple of those growing up. They had turntables, AM/FM radios, and 8 track tape slots.
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Post by: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 09:00:08 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 09:00:08 PM
The auto changers became obsolete long before the turntables vanished as the became semi automatic. You did not have the spindle and you placed one record at a time, however the tonearm did release itself from the record and return to its resting place with the table shutting off for a few years at least.
That was primarily because when you had two warped discs sitting on top of each other, both would slide from each other causing a fading in and out sound. Of course, that was the issue with vinyl as it would bend some and all you needed was two records bent and it would do it.
I do remember those cabinets as we had one from Montgomery Ward when I was a youngster. Then in the 80s and 90s it became consoles where you bought each unit separate and you ran wires between each usually with the tuner acting as amplifier to all other components like CDs, cassettes, and phonographs with speakers you generally would place anywhere you wanted unlike the cabinet that had the speakers within the assembly.
That was primarily because when you had two warped discs sitting on top of each other, both would slide from each other causing a fading in and out sound. Of course, that was the issue with vinyl as it would bend some and all you needed was two records bent and it would do it.
I do remember those cabinets as we had one from Montgomery Ward when I was a youngster. Then in the 80s and 90s it became consoles where you bought each unit separate and you ran wires between each usually with the tuner acting as amplifier to all other components like CDs, cassettes, and phonographs with speakers you generally would place anywhere you wanted unlike the cabinet that had the speakers within the assembly.
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Post by: roadman on November 29, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Post by: roadman on November 29, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on November 26, 2013, 10:28:23 PMMost higher end radios produced by RCA, GE, and Zenith in the 1940s and 1950s (both console and table models) had AM (usually labeled "broadcast" or "BC") and at least one or two shortwave bands as well. However, FM didn't become popular as a "standard band" on most radios until the mid to late 1960s.Quote from: hm insulators on November 26, 2013, 03:36:58 PM
While were on the subject of music-playing devices, how about stereo consoles? My father had one while I was growing up in the '60s and '70s. These were stereo systems where all the works (receiver, turntable [no CD player in those days, only vinyl records, of course!], controls and so forth) were placed inside huge wooden boxes that looked like pieces of fine furniture. To use it, you first had to open the lid in the top of the box to get at the works. The favorite feature on these was the "automatic record changer" whereas you stacked three or four records on the spindle, then when you turned on the record player, the disk would drop to the turntable and finally, the tone arm would automatically settle on the record. When the record's side was finished playing, the tone arm would lift up and move out of the way to allow the next record to drop on top of the first one.
These days, we vinyl junkies cringe at the thought of the records' grooves scraping against one another, scratching them. Those tone arms were heavy in those days; great at ruining records!
My aunt in Philly still has hers, a Telefunken bought in the late 50s...of course, it doesn't work any more, but it's a great vintage piece of furniture! Plus, it had three SHORTWAVE bands! Woo hoo!
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Post by: DeaconG on November 29, 2013, 10:37:03 PM
Post by: DeaconG on November 29, 2013, 10:37:03 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 09:00:08 PM
I do remember those cabinets as we had one from Montgomery Ward when I was a youngster. Then in the 80s and 90s it became consoles where you bought each unit separate and you ran wires between each usually with the tuner acting as amplifier to all other components like CDs, cassettes, and phonographs with speakers you generally would place anywhere you wanted unlike the cabinet that had the speakers within the assembly.
I saw quite a few of those systems while I was in the service during the late 70s and early 80s, usually bought while the individual was overseas (leafing through the AAFES overseas catalog at the stereo systems was usually a painful process if you were stateside). Pioneer, Technics, Sansui and Yamaha were the systems I remember seeing; usually with a preamp/integrated amp, power amp, equalizer, turntable and cassette deck (with Pioneer you could also add reel-to-reels, dynamic expanders and system timers to the rack as well). They had pretty much faded out by the late 80s to early 90s with the advent of the A/V receiver, but when they were around, they were in many cases a very affordable way to build a complete system.
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Post by: D-Dey65 on December 01, 2013, 01:50:28 PM
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 01, 2013, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 25, 2013, 01:20:01 PMI vaguely remember seeing one of those, but I've also seen them with black and white TV screens, that were big by today's standards but small compared to normal TV sets. Now you have them with DVD players and small pop-up flat screens.
Back in high school, one guy had a boom-box that included a turntable; the thing was as big as a suitcase.
http://www.iliveelectronics.com/products/boomboxes/portable-music-system-with-dock-for-ipod-and-iphone-5.html
I've seen some old Chrysler brochures, and a lot of them used to offer portable stereos as accessories.
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Post by: DeaconG on December 01, 2013, 03:44:04 PM
Post by: DeaconG on December 01, 2013, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 01, 2013, 01:50:28 PM
I vaguely remember seeing one of those, but I've also seen them with black and white TV screens, that were big by today's standards but small compared to normal TV sets. Now you have them with DVD players and small pop-up flat screens.
http://www.iliveelectronics.com/products/boomboxes/portable-music-system-with-dock-for-ipod-and-iphone-5.html
I've seen some old Chrysler brochures, and a lot of them used to offer portable stereos as accessories.
I had one of those, they were made by JVC and had a AM/FM radio, cassette deck and B&W TV built in. Came in real handy when I used to ride Greyhound back and forth from my home to my duty station.
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Post by: PHLBOS on December 02, 2013, 10:33:11 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on December 02, 2013, 10:33:11 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 01, 2013, 01:50:28 PMI've seen some old Chrysler brochures, and a lot of them used to offer portable stereos as accessories.DeSoto indeed offered a turn-table as an option in the mid-1950s. Needless to say, the original intent for this short-lived option was that records would be played while the car was parked. Obviously, the buying public thought otherwise. One got pothole jolt and the needle would either scratch or jump.
Sample of a turn-table on a '56 DeSoto:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uaw-chrysler.com%2Fimages%2Fnews%2F56desoto.jpg&hash=c6ba41d0bb60f8e5a31a951081f0015d2a49f388)
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Post by: DeaconG on December 02, 2013, 11:29:42 PM
Post by: DeaconG on December 02, 2013, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 02, 2013, 10:33:11 AMQuote from: D-Dey65 on December 01, 2013, 01:50:28 PMI've seen some old Chrysler brochures, and a lot of them used to offer portable stereos as accessories.DeSoto indeed offered a turn-table as an option in the mid-1950s. Needless to say, the original intent for this short-lived option was that records would be played while the car was parked. Obviously, the buying public thought otherwise. One got pothole jolt and the needle would either scratch or jump.
Sample of a turn-table on a '56 DeSoto:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uaw-chrysler.com%2Fimages%2Fnews%2F56desoto.jpg&hash=c6ba41d0bb60f8e5a31a951081f0015d2a49f388)
Two of my mom's friends had them in their cars, one was a Buick Wildcat ('65?) and the other was in a Caddy Coupe De Ville ('66?). My brother and I got to hear the one in the Wildcat...a bit scratchy but it worked!
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Post by: PHLBOS on December 03, 2013, 08:48:05 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on December 03, 2013, 08:48:05 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on December 02, 2013, 11:29:42 PMTwo of my mom's friends had them in their cars, one was a Buick Wildcat ('65?) and the other was in a Caddy Coupe De Ville ('66?). My brother and I got to hear the one in the Wildcat...a bit scratchy but it worked!Are you sure that those cars were of the mid-60s vintage?
Doing a quick Google Image Search and the first photo of such is 45 rpm player on a '59 Caddy.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.staticflickr.com%2F4021%2F5131830971_274dfab2bc_n.jpg&hash=4e8ff4145cc23def8eb58b560e63f9ede90699cc)
I'm not necessarily doubting you but I just find that it's bit odd that any manufacturer offered such in the mid-60s. Truth be told, I wasn't aware that such existed until I saw a '56 DeSoto at an auto show that had such.
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Post by: DeaconG on December 04, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Post by: DeaconG on December 04, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 03, 2013, 08:48:05 AMQuote from: DeaconG on December 02, 2013, 11:29:42 PMTwo of my mom's friends had them in their cars, one was a Buick Wildcat ('65?) and the other was in a Caddy Coupe De Ville ('66?). My brother and I got to hear the one in the Wildcat...a bit scratchy but it worked!Are you sure that those cars were of the mid-60s vintage?
Doing a quick Google Image Search and the first photo of such is 45 rpm player on a '59 Caddy.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.staticflickr.com%2F4021%2F5131830971_274dfab2bc_n.jpg&hash=4e8ff4145cc23def8eb58b560e63f9ede90699cc)
I'm not necessarily doubting you but I just find that it's bit odd that any manufacturer offered such in the mid-60s. Truth be told, I wasn't aware that such existed until I saw a '56 DeSoto at an auto show that had such.
I'm pretty sure of it...by the late 60's you didn't see them offered in any vehicle. And I do remember that Wildcat!
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Post by: hm insulators on December 10, 2013, 03:31:44 PM
Post by: hm insulators on December 10, 2013, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 08:37:16 AM
When TV sets and radios had tubes inside of them. The local electronics stores used to have a tube tester in each store for the consumer to see if they are still operational.
Hell, I remember tube testers at the grocery store. That way, when your old black-and-white TV crapped out, you could take out the tubes and go to the store and buy a carton of milk, a few cans of cat food and test the tubes! :D
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Post by: Brandon on December 10, 2013, 04:54:47 PM
Post by: Brandon on December 10, 2013, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 02, 2013, 10:33:11 AMQuote from: D-Dey65 on December 01, 2013, 01:50:28 PMI've seen some old Chrysler brochures, and a lot of them used to offer portable stereos as accessories.DeSoto indeed offered a turn-table as an option in the mid-1950s. Needless to say, the original intent for this short-lived option was that records would be played while the car was parked. Obviously, the buying public thought otherwise. One got pothole jolt and the needle would either scratch or jump.
Sample of a turn-table on a '56 DeSoto:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uaw-chrysler.com%2Fimages%2Fnews%2F56desoto.jpg&hash=c6ba41d0bb60f8e5a31a951081f0015d2a49f388)
IIRC, Chrysler sold records that were specifically to be used with this specific record player due to the size of the player.
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Post by: US71 on December 10, 2013, 10:07:39 PM
Post by: US71 on December 10, 2013, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: hm insulators on December 10, 2013, 03:31:44 PMQuote from: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 08:37:16 AM
When TV sets and radios had tubes inside of them. The local electronics stores used to have a tube tester in each store for the consumer to see if they are still operational.
Hell, I remember tube testers at the grocery store. That way, when your old black-and-white TV crapped out, you could take out the tubes and go to the store and buy a carton of milk, a few cans of cat food and test the tubes! :D
I remember Radio Shack having tube testers. My dad was always replacing tubes on his Halicrafters radio.
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Post by: bugo on December 11, 2013, 06:16:56 PM
Post by: bugo on December 11, 2013, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 10, 2013, 04:54:47 PM
IIRC, Chrysler sold records that were specifically to be used with this specific record player due to the size of the player.
Yes, this is true.
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Post by: D-Dey65 on December 13, 2013, 03:24:41 PM
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 13, 2013, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 02, 2013, 10:33:11 AMDeSoto indeed offered a turn-table as an option in the mid-1950s. Needless to say, the original intent for this short-lived option was that records would be played while the car was parked. Obviously, the buying public thought otherwise. One got pothole jolt and the needle would either scratch or jump.Those I've known about for quite a while. ;-) I've actually seen them in old books by Tad Burness, and after that I started looking for real cars that had them.
Sample of a turn-table on a '56 DeSoto:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uaw-chrysler.com%2Fimages%2Fnews%2F56desoto.jpg&hash=c6ba41d0bb60f8e5a31a951081f0015d2a49f388)
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Post by: roadman65 on December 13, 2013, 04:03:24 PM
Post by: roadman65 on December 13, 2013, 04:03:24 PM
When it costs $18 for a car and driver on the Cape May- Lewes Ferry.
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Post by: bugo on December 13, 2013, 06:29:31 PM
Post by: bugo on December 13, 2013, 06:29:31 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 13, 2013, 03:24:41 PM
Those I've known about for quite a while. ;-) I've actually seen them in old books by Tad Burness, and after that I started looking for real cars that had them.
I borrowed some of the Burness books from the library when I was a kid. I must have read the '40-'65 book 500 times. It had the black and white pictures and the handwriting...I'd love to have the mega book (which isn't cheap).
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Post by: DaBigE on December 14, 2013, 04:38:44 PM
Post by: DaBigE on December 14, 2013, 04:38:44 PM
When a phone ringing actually meant a metal bell (gong) was ringing inside of it. A ringtone was just the pitch of the bell.
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Post by: renegade on December 14, 2013, 06:02:52 PM
Post by: renegade on December 14, 2013, 06:02:52 PM
Quote from: hm insulators on December 10, 2013, 03:31:44 PMQuote from: roadman65 on November 28, 2013, 08:37:16 AM
When TV sets and radios had tubes inside of them. The local electronics stores used to have a tube tester in each store for the consumer to see if they are still operational.
Hell, I remember tube testers at the grocery store. That way, when your old black-and-white TV crapped out, you could take out the tubes and go to the store and buy a carton of milk, a few cans of cat food and test the tubes! :D
That was my job as a kid.
"Here ... go test the tubes."
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Post by: roadman65 on December 14, 2013, 06:13:52 PM
Post by: roadman65 on December 14, 2013, 06:13:52 PM
When a phone booth was actually present at the airports, bus terminals, and even on street corners. In the 80's they were replaced with phones on a pole until cell phones took over in the late 1990's.
I remember the privacy you got when you closed the door on the booth. Plus a light would go on in the booth when the door was shut and turn off upon opening as well.
I remember when phone books were around in public places even attached to a chain to prevent theft of them. However, nothing stopped people from ripping pages out especially when they needed a phone number and had no paper to write on. Just rip out the page your needed number was on, and just circle it was the mentality of many back then.
I remember the privacy you got when you closed the door on the booth. Plus a light would go on in the booth when the door was shut and turn off upon opening as well.
I remember when phone books were around in public places even attached to a chain to prevent theft of them. However, nothing stopped people from ripping pages out especially when they needed a phone number and had no paper to write on. Just rip out the page your needed number was on, and just circle it was the mentality of many back then.
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Post by: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2013, 11:23:19 AM
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2013, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: bugo on December 13, 2013, 06:29:31 PMHad my copy of that one for a while too.Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 13, 2013, 03:24:41 PM
Those I've known about for quite a while. ;-) I've actually seen them in old books by Tad Burness, and after that I started looking for real cars that had them.
I borrowed some of the Burness books from the library when I was a kid. I must have read the '40-'65 book 500 times. It had the black and white pictures and the handwriting...I'd love to have the mega book (which isn't cheap).
:biggrin:
The jacket cover is pretty worn. I think Amazon.com should offer a Kindle version, and I've told them that.
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Post by: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2013, 11:29:14 AM
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2013, 11:29:14 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 14, 2013, 06:13:52 PMThis picture was from the southbound I-95 Nash County Rest Area on November 19, 2013:
When a phone booth was actually present at the airports, bus terminals, and even on street corners. In the 80's they were replaced with phones on a pole until cell phones took over in the late 1990's.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SB_I-95_Nash_County_Rest_Area-5.JPG
Unfortunately, no phone, no closing door, and as far as I can tell, no light.
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Post by: formulanone on December 16, 2013, 02:40:59 PM
Post by: formulanone on December 16, 2013, 02:40:59 PM
Stayed at a hotel in Totowa, NJ this summer which featured about eight public pay phones next to one of the meeting halls. One isn't odd, but multiple still-operational units are a rarity. Outdoor phone booths are nearly extinct, but I've seen a few here and there (didn't verify if they're active).
The indoor phone booths are even more of a rarity, can't remember the last time I've seen any of those. Ah, when the polite thing to do was keep your phone conversation quiet in a public place.
Pay phones in an airport aren't really rare, but usually there's still one tucked away by baggage claim. Atlanta still has a few positioned between some of its gates (at Concourse B and E, I think) where you can also use the internet at a tiny kiosk.
The indoor phone booths are even more of a rarity, can't remember the last time I've seen any of those. Ah, when the polite thing to do was keep your phone conversation quiet in a public place.
Pay phones in an airport aren't really rare, but usually there's still one tucked away by baggage claim. Atlanta still has a few positioned between some of its gates (at Concourse B and E, I think) where you can also use the internet at a tiny kiosk.
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Post by: PHLBOS on December 16, 2013, 03:40:40 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on December 16, 2013, 03:40:40 PM
On the subject of pay phones:
Until about a year ago, Amtrak's 30th St. Station in Philadelphia used to have string of 15-to-20 wall-mounted payphones along its connection between the mainline station and the SEPTA Regional Rail Mezzanine level. The phones are gone but the old 30s-vintage wall-mounted TELEPHONES sign still remains.
Note: there are still some pole-mounted payphones (4-units per pole) located off the the side on the main floor. I think there's at least 3 or 4 of those.
Until about a year ago, Amtrak's 30th St. Station in Philadelphia used to have string of 15-to-20 wall-mounted payphones along its connection between the mainline station and the SEPTA Regional Rail Mezzanine level. The phones are gone but the old 30s-vintage wall-mounted TELEPHONES sign still remains.
Note: there are still some pole-mounted payphones (4-units per pole) located off the the side on the main floor. I think there's at least 3 or 4 of those.
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Post by: hbelkins on December 16, 2013, 03:59:01 PM
Post by: hbelkins on December 16, 2013, 03:59:01 PM
One of the conference hotels I have to visit to attend work-related functions in Louisville still has a bank of pay phones. That's probably because cell phone reception sucks at that facility.
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Post by: 1995hoo on December 16, 2013, 04:27:13 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on December 16, 2013, 04:27:13 PM
The federal courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia, has quite a few pay phones, which is a good thing because no mobile phones are allowed in the courthouse. A lot of people don't know of the rule. There's a deli across the street whose owners make a fortune charging people $5 to hold their mobile phones for them while they're in the courthouse!
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Post by: NE2 on December 16, 2013, 05:10:33 PM
Post by: NE2 on December 16, 2013, 05:10:33 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 14, 2013, 06:13:52 PM
When a phone booth was actually present at the airports, bus terminals, and even on street corners.
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Post by: PHLBOS on December 16, 2013, 06:00:19 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on December 16, 2013, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 14, 2013, 06:13:52 PMInside joke per the first of the original Superman movies starring Christopher Reeve (0:20-0:21 in the below-video).
When a phone booth was actually present at the airports, bus terminals, and even on street corners. In the 80's they were replaced with phones on a pole until cell phones took over in the late 1990's.
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Post by: kkt on December 16, 2013, 06:00:51 PM
Post by: kkt on December 16, 2013, 06:00:51 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 16, 2013, 02:40:59 PM
Stayed at a hotel in Totowa, NJ this summer which featured about eight public pay phones next to one of the meeting halls. One isn't odd, but multiple still-operational units are a rarity.
Paradise Inn in Mt. Rainier National Park has a bunch of phones like that. As a rustic lodge, there are no phones in the rooms, and there are no cell phone towers in the park so cell coverage ranges from iffy to nonexistent depending on your carrier.
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Post by: D-Dey65 on December 17, 2013, 01:18:40 AM
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 17, 2013, 01:18:40 AM
Quote from: formulanone on December 16, 2013, 02:40:59 PMLuckily, I can; June 9, 2013.
The indoor phone booths are even more of a rarity, can't remember the last time I've seen any of those.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phone_Booths_at_Westbury_Manor.JPG
:nod: :biggrin:
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Post by: Dr Frankenstein on December 17, 2013, 09:29:38 AM
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on December 17, 2013, 09:29:38 AM
Quebec is still full of pay phones and phone booths, especially outside of the urban areas.
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Post by: english si on December 17, 2013, 10:38:10 AM
Post by: english si on December 17, 2013, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 16, 2013, 05:10:33 PMI know that this is a very off-topic post, but there is one outside Earls Court station in London (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=51.492236,-0.192009&spn=0.002158,0.005284&sll=51.490095,-0.195909&sspn=0.017262,0.042272&mra=mr&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.492137,-0.192878&panoid=c9UMhWP_MWm9U0L48xEjYw&cbp=12,272.05,,0,3.1)*. It was referenced in the first episode of last season, where people looking for the Doctor corner it.Quote from: roadman65 on December 14, 2013, 06:13:52 PM
When a phone booth was actually present at the airports, bus terminals, and even on street corners.
I believe Doctor Who is the only reason it's still there (though why it survived a long time before that when others didn't, who knows. Perhaps the person in charge of removing them did it deliberately for fun. Like how there's some Olympic signs left up deliberately for the LondonReconnections (http://www.londonreconnections.com) insanely difficult Christmas Quiz (http://www.londonreconnections.com/2013/london-reconnections-2013-christmas-quiz/) (question 8).
*That streetview link was impossible to get with New Google Maps - it kept on wanting to put me in the box, wherever I put pinman on the road anywhere near it. Did it via Old Maps instead and tweaked the url to .com manually. Sure, going around the tardis is a good gimmick, but to put the pinman on the road, even a nearby side road, within about 40 yards and get sucked into a little blue box about 4ft square is just irritating. We're not quite there, but "You are too old if you remember Google Maps being usable" is coming!
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Red phone boxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_telephone_box) in London, once ubiquitous, just don't exist in any meaningful number. They exist elsewhere in fairly high numbers, in remote locations where modernisation hasn't occurred, but also the box has some usage (or has been bought for non-telephone usage). There's a few of the same design as the iconic red ones, but they are mostly painted black as run by a different company - only a couple in tourist locations remain red (I'm not sure these are working phones, as it would be odd that BT kept some in tourist hotspots but sold all the other ones).
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Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 17, 2013, 06:01:04 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 17, 2013, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on December 17, 2013, 09:29:38 AM
Quebec is still full of pay phones and phone booths, especially outside of the urban areas.
I think there also still some SOS phone stations on isolated highways like James Bay road and PQ-389. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SOS_phone_station_on_the_James_Bay_Road.jpg
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Post by: roadman65 on December 17, 2013, 06:09:17 PM
Post by: roadman65 on December 17, 2013, 06:09:17 PM
If anyone ever gets to see an old sit com called Get Smart, you will see lead character Maxwell Smart get inside one of those old phone booths, dial a number, and then allow himself to be transported down to the fictional CONTROL headquarters accessible via an elevator that is the floor of the phone booth.
I wonder what the Milenials are saying when they watch that show's opening and closing sequences and see that icon?
I wonder what the Milenials are saying when they watch that show's opening and closing sequences and see that icon?
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Post by: Big John on December 17, 2013, 06:16:16 PM
Post by: Big John on December 17, 2013, 06:16:16 PM
plus they were also "Clark Kent's dressing room" as he changed into Superman in them.
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Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 17, 2013, 06:19:00 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 17, 2013, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 16, 2013, 06:00:19 PMQuote from: roadman65 on December 14, 2013, 06:13:52 PMInside joke per the first of the original Superman movies starring Christopher Reeve (0:20-0:21 in the below-video).
When a phone booth was actually present at the airports, bus terminals, and even on street corners. In the 80's they were replaced with phones on a pole until cell phones took over in the late 1990's.
Looks like photos booth was still popular in the 1980s when Clark Kent used a photo booth when he can't find a phone booth in Superman III http://www.photobooth.net/movies_tv/index.php?movieID=30
At least there still (and there'll be) some alleys in numerous cities, perfect place for Peter Parker to put his Spider-man costume. ;-)
Edit:
And without phone booths, it would be harder to get a funny "hulkout" when Dr. Banner turns into Hulk like in the episode "Never give a trucker an even break"(episode who used lots of stock footage from the movie "Duel") when he didn't have 25 cents.
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Post by: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
Post by: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 17, 2013, 06:09:17 PMSimilar could be said if any of them watched any of the old Underdog Show cartoons from the 60s. The opening sequence (and most episodes) involves Shoeshine (Boy) going into a phone booth to become Underdog (a la Clark Kent/Superman in the old radio serials) and destroying the booth in the process.
If anyone ever gets to see an old sit com called Get Smart, you will see lead character Maxwell Smart get inside one of those old phone booths, dial a number, and then allow himself to be transported down to the fictional CONTROL headquarters accessible via an elevator that is the floor of the phone booth.
I wonder what the Milenials are saying when they watch that show's opening and closing sequences and see that icon?
One episode storyline even involves the placement of so-called Phoney-booths by recurring villan Simon Barsinister (& his sidekick Cad); which resembled conventional phone booths, but actually transforms those who enter them to obey every command that Simon issues.
"I will do what (as) Simon says." was what everybody (including Underdog) said after exiting the booths.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: akotchi on December 18, 2013, 09:59:56 AM
Post by: akotchi on December 18, 2013, 09:59:56 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 17, 2013, 06:09:17 PM
If anyone ever gets to see an old sit com called Get Smart, you will see lead character Maxwell Smart get inside one of those old phone booths, dial a number, and then allow himself to be transported down to the fictional CONTROL headquarters accessible via an elevator that is the floor of the phone booth.
I wonder what the Milenials are saying when they watch that show's opening and closing sequences and see that icon?
There is a scene evoking memories of that sequence in one of the Harry Potter movies (Order of the Phoenix, I think) when Harry and Mr. Weasley access the Ministry of Magic via a London phone booth. Recent enough to give the current generation a clue, perhaps.
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Post by: kkt on December 18, 2013, 12:05:37 PM
Post by: kkt on December 18, 2013, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
Similar could be said if any of them watched any of the old Underdog Show cartoons from the 60s. The opening sequence (and most episodes) involves Shoeshine (Boy) going into a phone booth to become Underdog (a la Clark Kent/Superman in the old radio serials) and destroying the booth in the process.
One episode storyline even involves the placement of so-called Phoney-booths by recurring villan Simon Barsinister (& his sidekick Cad); which resembled conventional phone booths, but actually transforms those who enter them to obey every command that Simon issues.
"I will do what Simon says." was what everybody (including Underdog) said after exiting the booths.
And speaking of "too old," that episode also features a milk man. Remember them?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 02:17:40 PM
Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 09:45:13 AMSimilar could be said if any of them watched any of the old Underdog Show cartoons from the 60s. The opening sequence (and most episodes) involves Shoeshine (Boy) going into a phone booth to become Underdog (a la Clark Kent/Superman in the old radio serials) and destroying the booth in the process.
One episode storyline even involves the placement of so-called Phoney-booths by recurring villan Simon Barsinister (& his sidekick Cad); which resembled conventional phone booths, but actually transforms those who enter them to obey every command that Simon issues.
"I will do what Simon says." was what everybody (including Underdog) said after exiting the booths.
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Unlike Clark Kent, who only ocassionally used a phone booth to change into Superman in the radio series (and almost NEVER used a phone booth to change in the TV series), ShoeShine Boy almost always "dashed into a nearby phone booth" to change into Underdog. And IMO one of the best
edited to correct frequency of occupied phone booth gag - RM
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Post by: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 03:35:49 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 03:35:49 PM
Quote from: roadman on December 18, 2013, 02:17:40 PMAnd IMO one of the best recurring gags in Underdog episodes was when ShoeShine Boy, responding to a call to help, would find the phone booth occupied, thus losing time waiting to change his identity.:confused: Recurring? I only remember maybe one or two episodes where Shoeshine Boy encountered an occupied phone booth. Then again, it's been a while since I've seen a full episode (all 4 parts).
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Post by: roadman65 on December 18, 2013, 04:20:11 PM
Post by: roadman65 on December 18, 2013, 04:20:11 PM
I do remember Bugs Bunny using an inflatable type of Phone Booth in his Super Rabbit cartoon. If I am correct about it he put one together in the middle of the Texas desert when the bad guy he was chasing ate his super charged carrots (that gave him his superhuman strength) and was ready to kill him.
Old Bugsy then changed into a US Marine uniform, as in cartoon land breaking the fourth wall is quite common, so that the villain would not attack him. This booth was an instant type of device sort of the reverse of George Jetson's car in the opening sequence of the Jetsons.
BTW, breaking the fourth wall is a name used to describe when a character on film steps out of it for a moment and either talks or relates to the audience as if that person knew they are being watched in whatever environment they are supposed to be portraying.
Old Bugsy then changed into a US Marine uniform, as in cartoon land breaking the fourth wall is quite common, so that the villain would not attack him. This booth was an instant type of device sort of the reverse of George Jetson's car in the opening sequence of the Jetsons.
BTW, breaking the fourth wall is a name used to describe when a character on film steps out of it for a moment and either talks or relates to the audience as if that person knew they are being watched in whatever environment they are supposed to be portraying.
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Post by: NE2 on December 18, 2013, 04:25:50 PM
Post by: NE2 on December 18, 2013, 04:25:50 PM
You're too old if you remember all these old cartoons, damn it.
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Post by: mgk920 on December 18, 2013, 04:45:34 PM
Post by: mgk920 on December 18, 2013, 04:45:34 PM
...refilling the toner reservoir on the copy machine from a bottle, rather than changing out the entire cartridge.
...AND, having the service tech coming into the office every few months to clean and adjust the copier.
Mike
...AND, having the service tech coming into the office every few months to clean and adjust the copier.
Mike
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Post by: roadman65 on December 18, 2013, 04:53:09 PM
Post by: roadman65 on December 18, 2013, 04:53:09 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 18, 2013, 04:25:50 PMLOL you are right about that as even the Cartoon Network does not even air Bugs Bunny anymore. All they have is the new computer generated cartoons on and even Hanna Barbera toons (with the exception of the Scooby Doo remakes with Shaggy and Velma actually married now.
You're too old if you remember all these old cartoons, damn it.
At least on that one writers realize that time goes on unlike the Family Circus comic where BJ has been an infant for many many decades. I guess they are getting years from the Soap characters as on them a small baby becomes a fully grown adult in a matter of a few years.
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Post by: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 04:59:35 PM
Post by: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 04:59:35 PM
... mimeograph & ditto machines (precursor to the (Xerox) copiers)
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Disclaimer: I wasn't old enough to use these but I do remember receiving worksheets at school (through either 6th or 7th grade) that were printed by the above.
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Disclaimer: I wasn't old enough to use these but I do remember receiving worksheets at school (through either 6th or 7th grade) that were printed by the above.
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Post by: roadman65 on December 18, 2013, 05:32:23 PM
Post by: roadman65 on December 18, 2013, 05:32:23 PM
Caller ID did not exist. In fact watch an old detective show and police had to do a "trace" on the phone call which took several minuets. Many times a perpetrator would have fun with the cops as they knew about them tracing their call. They would keep the cop on the phone until seconds before a complete trace was made and hang up to piss the cops off.
What was always a mystery to me was how people knew that a call was from a telemarketer back before caller ID. I used to work as a survey person in the late 80's and when I would call up people back then, I would get someone picking up the phone to say "not interested" without me identifying myself. No hellos or anything. Just pick the phone up and say "not interested" or "wrong number." For all they knew I could have been someone they knew.
What was always a mystery to me was how people knew that a call was from a telemarketer back before caller ID. I used to work as a survey person in the late 80's and when I would call up people back then, I would get someone picking up the phone to say "not interested" without me identifying myself. No hellos or anything. Just pick the phone up and say "not interested" or "wrong number." For all they knew I could have been someone they knew.
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Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 05:49:14 PM
Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 03:35:49 PMYou are correct PHLBOS - recurring is not the proper description for the gag (though it did occur multiple times through the life of the series). Blame it on STSF (shouldn't type so fast). I've corrected my original post.Quote from: roadman on December 18, 2013, 02:17:40 PMAnd IMO one of the best recurring gags in Underdog episodes was when ShoeShine Boy, responding to a call to help, would find the phone booth occupied, thus losing time waiting to change his identity.:confused: Recurring? I only remember maybe one or two episodes where Shoeshine Boy encountered an occupied phone booth. Then again, it's been a while since I've seen a full episode (all 4 parts).
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Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:00:44 PM
Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 18, 2013, 04:53:09 PMQuote from: NE2 on December 18, 2013, 04:25:50 PMLOL you are right about that as even the Cartoon Network does not even air Bugs Bunny anymore. All they have is the new computer generated cartoons on and even Hanna Barbera toons (with the exception of the Scooby Doo remakes with Shaggy and Velma actually married now.
You're too old if you remember all these old cartoons, damn it.
Cartoon Network still shows Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry shorts for about two hours during midday. But you're right - most of the current stuff made for the network can't even hold a candle to some of the stuff they used to produce in the 1990s, let alone truly "classic" animation like Warner Brothers and MGM shorts.
For awhile, Cartoon Network relegated most of the "classic" Hanna-Barbera stuff (Yogi Bear and the like) to a "sister" network called Boomerang. Our cable system never offered it, so I have no idea if it's still on the air.
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Post by: corco on December 18, 2013, 06:05:07 PM
Post by: corco on December 18, 2013, 06:05:07 PM
As far as identifying callers without caller id, my moms parents were of the paranoid sort and they requested you call once, let it ring twice, hang up, and call again. If the first call rang more than that, they assumed you were a solicitor. Another possibility is they had multiple phone lines but only gave out one number- if you had the other one, youre not somebody they know.
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Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 18, 2013, 04:20:11 PMAnd when Bugs emerged from the phone booth in the Marine uniform, both the villain AND his horse stood up at attention saluting him. The cartoon ended with Bugs walking off into the sunrise.
I do remember Bugs Bunny using an inflatable type of Phone Booth in his Super Rabbit cartoon. If I am correct about it he put one together in the middle of the Texas desert when the bad guy he was chasing ate his super charged carrots (that gave him his superhuman strength) and was ready to kill him.
Old Bugsy then changed into a US Marine uniform, as in cartoon land breaking the fourth wall is quite common, so that the villain would not attack him. This booth was an instant type of device sort of the reverse of George Jetson's car in the opening sequence of the Jetsons.
BTW, breaking the fourth wall is a name used to describe when a character on film steps out of it for a moment and either talks or relates to the audience as if that person knew they are being watched in whatever environment they are supposed to be portraying.
Note that in nearly every Warner Brothers cartoon made during World War II, the writers often inserted one or more war-related references. Some were subtle, some not so (a popular one was having a character take a fall, only to pick themselves up and state "Was that trip really necessary"). Besides keeping the cartoons topical, Warner Brothers saw it as a clever way to keep the War Production Board - which was considering regulating the production of film and film processing materials - off their backs.
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Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:19:59 PM
Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:19:59 PM
Quote from: corco on December 18, 2013, 06:05:07 PM
As far as identifying callers without caller id, my moms parents were of the paranoid sort and they requested you call once, let it ring twice, hang up, and call again. If the first call rang more than that, they assumed you were a solicitor
I remember my father, who was a Bell System accounting manager for his entire career, giving me, as well as other family and friends, similar advice.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on December 18, 2013, 06:27:39 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 18, 2013, 06:27:39 PM
Quote from: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
(a popular one was having a character take a fall, only to pick themselves up and state "Was that trip really necessary").
can you explain this one for me? seems awfully subtle.
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Post by: NE2 on December 18, 2013, 06:32:37 PM
Post by: NE2 on December 18, 2013, 06:32:37 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 18, 2013, 06:27:39 PMQuote from: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
(a popular one was having a character take a fall, only to pick themselves up and state "Was that trip really necessary").
can you explain this one for me? seems awfully subtle.
Took me a bit, but:
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Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:37:12 PM
Post by: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 18, 2013, 06:27:39 PMQuote from: roadman on December 18, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
(a popular one was having a character take a fall, only to pick themselves up and state "Was that trip really necessary").
can you explain this one for me? seems awfully subtle.
One of the Government's publicity campaigns during the war to discourage civilian travel. Besides reducing crowding on through trains carrying troops, one of the principal goals of the campaign was to reduce the domestic need for fuel, tires, etc., so the materials could be diverted to the war effort, by stating "Ask yourself - Is this trip really necessary?" (or the "Is YOUR trip really necessary" variation that NE2 posted).
And yes, using the reference in a cartoon is now very subtle. I didn't get the reference myself until the campaign was discussed in a college history class I took in 1981.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on December 18, 2013, 07:06:55 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 18, 2013, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 18, 2013, 06:32:37 PM
Took me a bit, but:
[poster]
the one at lower left looks like he's up to something.
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Post by: NE2 on December 18, 2013, 07:41:24 PM
Post by: NE2 on December 18, 2013, 07:41:24 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 18, 2013, 07:06:55 PMHe's premeditating killing someone with a gun.
the one at lower left looks like he's up to something.
Oh wait, they're all doing that.
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Post by: thenetwork on December 18, 2013, 07:56:58 PM
Post by: thenetwork on December 18, 2013, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 04:59:35 PM
... mimeograph & ditto machines (precursor to the (Xerox) copiers)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cs.uni.edu%2F%7Ewallingf%2Fblog-images%2Fmisc%2Fmimeograph-machine.gif&hash=8753aa3771a8ec4ca88ad589f89885b904d57448)
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Disclaimer: I wasn't old enough to use these but I do remember receiving worksheets at school (through either 6th or 7th grade) that were printed by the above.
....Looking forward to the days in school when the teacher would pass out those freshly-made ditto papers (with the purple ink). The smell of those freshly-inked papers was like a mini-high for many students who would spend the first 30 seconds sniffing the hell out of their sheet.
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Post by: formulanone on December 18, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
Post by: formulanone on December 18, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on December 18, 2013, 07:56:58 PM
....Looking forward to the days in school when the teacher would pass out those freshly-made ditto papers (with the purple ink). The smell of those freshly-inked papers was like a mini-high for many students who would spend the first 30 seconds sniffing the hell out of their sheet.
I recall those copies also had a very slight damp feeling to them, if they were freshly made; it was probably around 1989-90 when I last encountered a new ditto copy. Schools really had to milk the most out of their supplies, didn't they?
Remember when McDonald's golden arches signs were posted in the __ millions, not billions?
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Post by: kkt on December 19, 2013, 10:06:25 AM
Post by: kkt on December 19, 2013, 10:06:25 AM
Quote from: formulanone on December 18, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
I recall those copies also had a very slight damp feeling to them, if they were freshly made; it was probably around 1989-90 when I last encountered a new ditto copy.
In 2008, my daughter started at a school that was just reopened, having been an alternative school that wasn't really filling the building for some years before that. The first day, the teachers had been cleaning out rooms that hadn't been used in decades, and they put old handouts they wouldn't be using on tables in the hallways. Many stacks of purple dittos. I was amazed.
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Post by: 1995hoo on December 19, 2013, 10:28:07 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on December 19, 2013, 10:28:07 AM
I remember the ditto machines. When I was in the third grade (I remember the year because the school I attended closed for good after I finished the third grade) the teacher let us operate the ditto machine in the "teachers-only" part of the library once. You cranked that thing around and around. We thought it was the coolest thing. The one our school had looked similar to the one in the second image above ("300 dry copies").
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Post by: exit322 on December 19, 2013, 12:53:35 PM
Post by: exit322 on December 19, 2013, 12:53:35 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 04:59:35 PM
... mimeograph & ditto machines (precursor to the (Xerox) copiers)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cs.uni.edu%2F%7Ewallingf%2Fblog-images%2Fmisc%2Fmimeograph-machine.gif&hash=8753aa3771a8ec4ca88ad589f89885b904d57448)
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Disclaimer: I wasn't old enough to use these but I do remember receiving worksheets at school (through either 6th or 7th grade) that were printed by the above.
I graduated high school in 2000 and we still had a ditto machine that at least one teacher used a lot.
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Post by: Zeffy on December 19, 2013, 02:08:16 PM
Post by: Zeffy on December 19, 2013, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: kkt on December 19, 2013, 10:06:25 AM
Many stacks of purple dittos. I was amazed.
Oh man did I read that sentence wrong the first time. :ded:
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Post by: D-Dey65 on December 27, 2013, 08:00:41 PM
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 27, 2013, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on December 01, 2013, 03:44:04 PMI take it they weren't like any of the stereos here:
I had one of those, they were made by JVC and had a AM/FM radio, cassette deck and B&W TV built in. Came in real handy when I used to ride Greyhound back and forth from my home to my duty station.
http://www.fuselage.de/chr73/73chr_acc_01b.jpg
http://www.fuselage.de/chr73/73chr_acc_02b.jpg
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Post by: cjk374 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
Post by: cjk374 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
You may be a bit aged if you remember Liquid Paper (instead of today's correction ribbon) & the high you got everytime you opened the bottle to use it. :ded:
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: sammi on December 29, 2013, 12:42:18 AM
Post by: sammi on December 29, 2013, 12:42:18 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
You may be a bit aged if you remember Liquid Paper (instead of today's correction ribbon) & the high you got everytime you opened the bottle to use it. :ded:
I actually remember using Liquid Paper (my 10-year-old self found it a bitch to use), but not the other half of that statement. :sombrero:
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Post by: vtk on December 29, 2013, 01:11:32 AM
Post by: vtk on December 29, 2013, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
You may be a bit aged if you remember Liquid Paper (instead of today's correction ribbon) & the high you got everytime you opened the bottle to use it. :ded:
I thought correction ribbon was the older tech. We always used liquid paper in my house. Is it not still available?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 29, 2013, 09:48:01 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 29, 2013, 09:48:01 AM
For Canadians here on the forum, anyone who remember that classic CBC ident?
Back when CBS aired Charlie Brown, Fat Albert, Garfield Christmas/Halloween/Easter/Valentine's Day specials. Who remember the CBS special presentation logo?
Back when CBS aired Charlie Brown, Fat Albert, Garfield Christmas/Halloween/Easter/Valentine's Day specials. Who remember the CBS special presentation logo?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on December 29, 2013, 10:05:13 AM
Post by: mgk920 on December 29, 2013, 10:05:13 AM
. . . mouse balls (for computer controlling).
:-o
Mike
:-o
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on December 29, 2013, 10:08:37 AM
Post by: mgk920 on December 29, 2013, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: vtk on December 29, 2013, 01:11:32 AMQuote from: cjk374 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
You may be a bit aged if you remember Liquid Paper (instead of today's correction ribbon) & the high you got everytime you opened the bottle to use it. :ded:
I thought correction ribbon was the older tech. We always used liquid paper in my house. Is it not still available?
You can still get it and I still use it.
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Alps on December 29, 2013, 11:10:44 AM
Post by: Alps on December 29, 2013, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 29, 2013, 10:08:37 AMIt still hangs around my workplace. When you're redlining a plan to be scanned and sent, you can either print a new one every time you screw up or just white out the offending line. If your redline is a shape instead of a line, it's much more effective to use the brush than a ribbon of tape.Quote from: vtk on December 29, 2013, 01:11:32 AMQuote from: cjk374 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
You may be a bit aged if you remember Liquid Paper (instead of today's correction ribbon) & the high you got everytime you opened the bottle to use it. :ded:
I thought correction ribbon was the older tech. We always used liquid paper in my house. Is it not still available?
You can still get it and I still use it.
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: DaBigE on December 29, 2013, 03:12:17 PM
Post by: DaBigE on December 29, 2013, 03:12:17 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 29, 2013, 10:05:13 AM
. . . mouse balls (for computer controlling).
:-o
Mike
Depends on the type of mouse ball...track ball mice are still alive and kicking. I wouldn't do CAD work any other way. :nod:
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: route56 on December 29, 2013, 05:49:03 PM
Post by: route56 on December 29, 2013, 05:49:03 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on December 29, 2013, 03:12:17 PM
Depends on the type of mouse ball...track ball mice are still alive and kicking. I wouldn't do CAD work any other way. :nod:
Unfortunately, my trackball doesn't have a scroll wheel, so I still use a mouse
(Modern trackballs are optical, however)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vtk on December 29, 2013, 09:51:20 PM
Post by: vtk on December 29, 2013, 09:51:20 PM
The Preview Channel
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on December 30, 2013, 03:30:08 AM
Post by: Scott5114 on December 30, 2013, 03:30:08 AM
Or the TV guide channels that just scroll the programming grid ad nauseum while something unrelated goes on in the corner.
Heck, actual printed TV guides, for that matter. Do they still have those in the Sunday papers?
Heck, actual printed TV guides, for that matter. Do they still have those in the Sunday papers?
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Post by: 1995hoo on December 30, 2013, 08:01:15 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on December 30, 2013, 08:01:15 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 30, 2013, 03:30:08 AM
Or the TV guide channels that just scroll the programming grid ad nauseum while something unrelated goes on in the corner.
Heck, actual printed TV guides, for that matter. Do they still have those in the Sunday papers?
The Washington Post offers one, but you have to request it (at least, subscribers do–I don't know if it's included with the single copy of the Sunday paper you can buy at the grocery store). Ms1995hoo had requested it be included with her paper before we got married because she used an antenna and so didn't have a TV guide channel.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on December 30, 2013, 08:58:50 AM
Post by: roadman65 on December 30, 2013, 08:58:50 AM
When Vermont used to paint their center line striping with each stripe a big distance apart. It had a wider mid section between the two double lines in no passing zones.
Skyline Drive and the Blue Ridge Parkway both used single white lines in the middle of their respected roadways.
Skyline Drive and the Blue Ridge Parkway both used single white lines in the middle of their respected roadways.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: J N Winkler on December 30, 2013, 09:46:27 AM
Post by: J N Winkler on December 30, 2013, 09:46:27 AM
The Wichita Eagle apparently still offers a weekly TV guide, but only as an extra-cost option, which we don't take. This means that we have to keep a fairly ratty-looking channel guide next to the remote to keep track of our local station-to-channel assignments, which didn't used to be necessary.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: US71 on December 30, 2013, 02:15:44 PM
Post by: US71 on December 30, 2013, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on December 30, 2013, 09:46:27 AM
The Wichita Eagle apparently still offers a weekly TV guide, but only as an extra-cost option, which we don't take. This means that we have to keep a fairly ratty-looking channel guide next to the remote to keep track of our local station-to-channel assignments, which didn't used to be necessary.
Springfield, Missouri News-Leader totally discontinued the weekly guide. Must have been costing Gannett too much money
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Post by: hbelkins on December 30, 2013, 02:31:10 PM
Post by: hbelkins on December 30, 2013, 02:31:10 PM
Been gone from the Lexington Herald-Leader for a few years, too. I think you could pay for it separately for awhile but I don't even know if they offer that now or not.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: DeaconG on December 30, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
Post by: DeaconG on December 30, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 27, 2013, 08:00:41 PMQuote from: DeaconG on December 01, 2013, 03:44:04 PMI take it they weren't like any of the stereos here:
I had one of those, they were made by JVC and had a AM/FM radio, cassette deck and B&W TV built in. Came in real handy when I used to ride Greyhound back and forth from my home to my duty station.
http://www.fuselage.de/chr73/73chr_acc_01b.jpg
http://www.fuselage.de/chr73/73chr_acc_02b.jpg
Nope, I actually tried to find the one that I had, the closest one had a 5-inch color screen and the one I had carried a 3 1/2 inch B&W screen. There are some things ya just can't find on the internets!
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Post by: D-Dey65 on January 02, 2014, 10:57:04 AM
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 02, 2014, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on December 30, 2013, 11:16:28 PMThis one is in color, although it's not five inches:
Nope, I actually tried to find the one that I had, the closest one had a 5-inch color screen and the one I had carried a 3 1/2 inch B&W screen. There are some things ya just can't find on the internets!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RC747fMTgE
I'll try to look up some black and white ones.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: DeaconG on January 02, 2014, 11:44:02 AM
Post by: DeaconG on January 02, 2014, 11:44:02 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 02, 2014, 10:57:04 AMQuote from: DeaconG on December 30, 2013, 11:16:28 PMThis one is in color, although it's not five inches:
Nope, I actually tried to find the one that I had, the closest one had a 5-inch color screen and the one I had carried a 3 1/2 inch B&W screen. There are some things ya just can't find on the internets!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RC747fMTgE
I'll try to look up some black and white ones.
That one is damn close to the one I had, the only primary difference besides it being B&W is that the tube was on the right, not the left. I stumbled onto a JVC boombox site that had their boomboxes listed but the interface is terrible.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on January 03, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
Post by: roadman65 on January 03, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
When NYSDOT used to place signs on interstates saying:
THERE ARE NO SERVICES ON THIS ROUTE
FIND THEM AT INTERCHANGES
I am guessing that was to help drivers get used to the new freeway concept when Interstates were new.
Also, all rest areas on NY 17 were referred to as "Phone Comfort Stations."
THERE ARE NO SERVICES ON THIS ROUTE
FIND THEM AT INTERCHANGES
I am guessing that was to help drivers get used to the new freeway concept when Interstates were new.
Also, all rest areas on NY 17 were referred to as "Phone Comfort Stations."
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hbelkins on January 03, 2014, 01:15:32 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 03, 2014, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 03, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
When NYSDOT used to place signs on interstates saying:
Also, all rest areas on NY 17 were referred to as "Phone Comfort Stations."
And now they're "Texting Zones."
What's old is new again.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 03, 2014, 11:57:59 PM
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 03, 2014, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: exit322 on December 19, 2013, 12:53:35 PMQuote from: PHLBOS on December 18, 2013, 04:59:35 PM
... mimeograph & ditto machines (precursor to the (Xerox) copiers)
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Disclaimer: I wasn't old enough to use these but I do remember receiving worksheets at school (through either 6th or 7th grade) that were printed by the above.
I graduated high school in 2000 and we still had a ditto machine that at least one teacher used a lot.
There was one machine in the entire school, there were very few people trusted to operate it (teachers would leave off an item to be reproduced), and it was a messy, smelly affair. I still don't know exactly how it worked.
About 25% of them were so light and faded it was hard to impossible to read. Purplish-blue ink is not the easiest to read.
I didn't know until now that "ditto" was a brand. I learned that word first as the name of an in-house reproduced school worksheet, and only later to mean "same as what he/she said." Is the former sense still in use at all? Does anyone have a kid around they can ask?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: J N Winkler on March 15, 2014, 11:16:03 AM
Post by: J N Winkler on March 15, 2014, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 03, 2014, 11:57:59 PMI didn't know until now that "ditto" was a brand. I learned that word first as the name of an in-house reproduced school worksheet, and only later to mean "same as what he/she said." Is the former sense still in use at all? Does anyone have a kid around they can ask?
I remember the former sense of ditto from my school days, but not as a brand so much as a genericized trademark (in much the same way the British use hoover to mean vacuuming a carpet). Some ways of using ditto in the latter sense are now very much dated. In the Web 2.0 age the word itself is still widely understood as a synonym for "+1," but back in the 1930's it was often abbreviated "do." and used as a field filler in tables laid out by typewriter--a practice that has now completely vanished.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on March 15, 2014, 02:51:04 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 15, 2014, 02:51:04 PM
I would imagine do. was replaced by the use of " with the same meaning. I have seen " referred to as "ditto marks" when used in this way. Even that practice seems to be on the way out, since many forms these days are either based on spreadsheets and have a built-in autocomplete that way, or if the repeated content is always the same, gets auto-populated when the first field is filled out.
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Post by: agentsteel53 on March 15, 2014, 02:59:51 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 15, 2014, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 15, 2014, 11:16:03 AMback in the 1930's it was often abbreviated "do." and used as a field filler in tables laid out by typewriter--a practice that has now completely vanished.
I've seen " used in such a context. (not quoting it, as would be proper, as """, while technically correct, is damn near incomprehensible in the Who's On First sense.)
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Post by: NE2 on March 15, 2014, 03:01:36 PM
Post by: NE2 on March 15, 2014, 03:01:36 PM
I first came across do. in old ICC reports and had to puzzle it out.
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Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 15, 2014, 04:34:09 PM
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 15, 2014, 04:34:09 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
You may be a bit aged if you remember Liquid Paper (instead of today's correction ribbon) & the high you got everytime you opened the bottle to use it. :ded:
So, who can name the notable son of the inventor of liquid paper and what business did he start using the royalties he inherited from that invention?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on March 15, 2014, 05:55:44 PM
Post by: roadman65 on March 15, 2014, 05:55:44 PM
I am starting to feel old for remembering the compact disc or even the floppy disc LOL!
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Post by: US81 on March 16, 2014, 11:05:22 AM
Post by: US81 on March 16, 2014, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on March 15, 2014, 04:34:09 PMQuote from: cjk374 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
You may be a bit aged if you remember Liquid Paper (instead of today's correction ribbon) & the high you got everytime you opened the bottle to use it. :ded:
So, who can name the notable son of the inventor of liquid paper and what business did he start using the royalties he inherited from that invention?
Aw, don't Monkee around with us!
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Post by: kkt on March 19, 2014, 02:16:07 AM
Post by: kkt on March 19, 2014, 02:16:07 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 15, 2014, 05:55:44 PM
I am starting to feel old for remembering the compact disc or even the floppy disc LOL!
Ah, but do you remember the 5 1/4" and 8" floppies? DECtape? Paper tape? Reel to reel tape?
Winchester removable disc packs?
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Post by: sammi on March 19, 2014, 09:56:06 AM
Post by: sammi on March 19, 2014, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 19, 2014, 02:16:07 AMI have a lot of floppy disks still, have some really old stuff on there. I've used the 3½", and I've seen the 5¼", but not the 8".
Ah, but do you remember the 5 1/4" and 8" floppies?
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Post by: vtk on March 19, 2014, 11:07:40 AM
Post by: vtk on March 19, 2014, 11:07:40 AM
When I was a kid, I once had an issue with the 3½" drive failing, and I wanted to install a game. So I used another computer to copy the install files to a 5¼" disk and installed from that. (All our computers in the house at that time had a 3½" drive as A: and a 5¼" drive as B: . Kids, this is why your main hard drive is C: !)
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Post by: BamaZeus on March 19, 2014, 11:49:10 AM
Post by: BamaZeus on March 19, 2014, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: US81 on March 16, 2014, 11:05:22 AMQuote from: ARMOURERERIC on March 15, 2014, 04:34:09 PMQuote from: cjk374 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
You may be a bit aged if you remember Liquid Paper (instead of today's correction ribbon) & the high you got everytime you opened the bottle to use it. :ded:
So, who can name the notable son of the inventor of liquid paper and what business did he start using the royalties he inherited from that invention?
Aw, don't Monkee around with us!
And whatever you do, don't kill any radio stars!
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Post by: Pete from Boston on March 19, 2014, 01:15:09 PM
Post by: Pete from Boston on March 19, 2014, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BamaZeus on March 19, 2014, 11:49:10 AMQuote from: US81 on March 16, 2014, 11:05:22 AMQuote from: ARMOURERERIC on March 15, 2014, 04:34:09 PMQuote from: cjk374 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
You may be a bit aged if you remember Liquid Paper (instead of today's correction ribbon) & the high you got everytime you opened the bottle to use it. :ded:
So, who can name the notable son of the inventor of liquid paper and what business did he start using the royalties he inherited from that invention?
Aw, don't Monkee around with us!
And whatever you do, don't kill any radio stars!
Okay, now you have me curious — what does Mike Nesmith have to do with "Video Killed the Radio Star"?
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Post by: renegade on March 19, 2014, 03:13:16 PM
Post by: renegade on March 19, 2014, 03:13:16 PM
"Video Killed The Radio Star" was the first music video aired on MTV.
What was the second video aired?
What was the second video aired?
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Post by: spooky on March 19, 2014, 03:17:17 PM
Post by: spooky on March 19, 2014, 03:17:17 PM
Quote from: renegade on March 19, 2014, 03:13:16 PM
"Video Killed The Radio Star" was the first music video aired on MTV.
What was the second video aired?
I want to say it was "You Better Run" by Pat Benatar. it was definitely in that first hour.
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Post by: amroad17 on March 19, 2014, 08:30:25 PM
Post by: amroad17 on March 19, 2014, 08:30:25 PM
^You would be correct! However, I do not know what the third video was. Probably something from Rod Stewart, Queen, or one of those other foreign artists since they seemed to do those "video promos" before many American artists did.
Yes, I used the phrase "video promos". Kids (and younger adults) would not know what I was talking about.
Yes, I used the phrase "video promos". Kids (and younger adults) would not know what I was talking about.
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Post by: Pete from Boston on March 20, 2014, 02:41:24 PM
Post by: Pete from Boston on March 20, 2014, 02:41:24 PM
I bet Hilly Michaels made it into the first day somewhere. So much for getting in on the ground floor.
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Post by: kkt on March 26, 2014, 01:18:21 PM
Post by: kkt on March 26, 2014, 01:18:21 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on March 20, 2014, 02:41:24 PM
I bet Hilly Michaels made it into the first day somewhere. So much for getting in on the ground floor.
There is, of course, a Wikipedia page about the first plays on MTV:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_music_videos_aired_on_MTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_music_videos_aired_on_MTV)
Hilly Michaels "Calling All Girls" played 93rd.
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Post by: amroad17 on March 26, 2014, 08:50:26 PM
Post by: amroad17 on March 26, 2014, 08:50:26 PM
Hey, I was correct! It was Rod Stewart.
I see a couple of Chicago-area acts (Styx and REO Speedwagon) had a couple of their videos played that first day.
I see a couple of Chicago-area acts (Styx and REO Speedwagon) had a couple of their videos played that first day.
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Post by: Brian556 on March 26, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
Post by: Brian556 on March 26, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
I thought the second video was "Take It On The Run" by REO Speedwagon
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Post by: formulanone on April 01, 2014, 06:22:05 PM
Post by: formulanone on April 01, 2014, 06:22:05 PM
This whole "dawn of MTV" thing has me wondering...were that many people eagerly staying tuned at midnight to see it? Seems like every American over the age of 40 swears to have seen it broadcast live, which cannot possibly be the case due to cable's total lack of ubiquity at the time.
I was just 7 at the time, although I'd see MTV as a curiosity at the local pizza place, since we didn't get cable TV until a few years later.
Having grown up with a PC without a C: drive (just a single floppy drive), I always felt B: got no respect, unless you copied files.
In the past few years, A: has been pretty much consigned to history (or my kids computer).
I was just 7 at the time, although I'd see MTV as a curiosity at the local pizza place, since we didn't get cable TV until a few years later.
Quote from: vtk on March 19, 2014, 11:07:40 AM
When I was a kid, I once had an issue with the 3½" drive failing, and I wanted to install a game. So I used another computer to copy the install files to a 5¼" disk and installed from that. (All our computers in the house at that time had a 3½" drive as A: and a 5¼" drive as B: . Kids, this is why your main hard drive is C: !)
Having grown up with a PC without a C: drive (just a single floppy drive), I always felt B: got no respect, unless you copied files.
In the past few years, A: has been pretty much consigned to history (or my kids computer).
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Post by: Pete from Boston on April 01, 2014, 06:56:23 PM
Post by: Pete from Boston on April 01, 2014, 06:56:23 PM
I had MTV around its launch, but I didn't see its start. I did see the much less exciting dawn of M2 in 1996 or so, with Beck's "Where It's At," then I think Pavement's "Cut Your Hair," and soon after "Plantman" by Gary Young. I knew at the time that remembering this would be useless, but like I said, I missed the first one.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on April 07, 2014, 10:34:23 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 07, 2014, 10:34:23 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 19, 2014, 02:16:07 AMQuote from: roadman65 on March 15, 2014, 05:55:44 PMAh, but do you remember the 5 1/4" and 8" floppies? DECtape? Paper tape? Reel to reel tape?
I am starting to feel old for remembering the compact disc or even the floppy disc LOL!
Winchester removable disc packs?
5 1/4" floppy disks in the IBM PC and other 1981-1991 computers? Yes.
8" floppy disks? Yes. Only in peripheral devices attached to IBM mainframe computers.
DECTape? No. Never heard of it.
Paper Tape? Yes. Used in obsolete minicomputers (Modcomp and Varian) and obsolete mainframe computers (Xerox Sigma series) when I worked at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland in the 1970's.
Reel-to-Reel tape? Yes.
Winchester removable disc packs?
Yes - but. "Winchester" disks were a common name for non-removable disk drive units with sealed HDA (head disk assembly) units, such as the IBM Model 3340 disk drive and later the 3350 disk drive.
Removable disk packs? Yes - IBM Model 3330-style in several configurations, up to about 200 MB per spindle (a lot of space at the time); and IBM-2314 disk drives (older, lower capacity technology).
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Post by: M3019C LPS20 on August 15, 2014, 08:35:14 AM
Post by: M3019C LPS20 on August 15, 2014, 08:35:14 AM
I remember "DONT WALK" and "WALK" and traffic signals that used only red and green signal indications.
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Post by: SSOWorld on August 15, 2014, 10:09:57 PM
Post by: SSOWorld on August 15, 2014, 10:09:57 PM
Take a stroll through Central Park and you'll find some of those.
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Post by: cjk374 on August 17, 2014, 10:31:46 AM
Post by: cjk374 on August 17, 2014, 10:31:46 AM
How about 8-track tapes? I still own 2 stereos that still play them! :wow:
Some of you youngens may not remember this beautiful disaster: X-(
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Some of you youngens may not remember this beautiful disaster: X-(
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Post by: Tom958 on August 17, 2014, 10:56:12 AM
Post by: Tom958 on August 17, 2014, 10:56:12 AM
I had a stereo that could record 8 track tapes! I found the click when changing tracks to be much less obtrusive than the fade out/fade in they put on prerecorded tapes.
I was working on a huge expansion of Coke's headquarters in Atlanta when the new Coke came out. Unsurprisingly, someone wrote, "THE NEW COKE -->" in the porta potty, with the arrow pointed at the urilnal. :-D
I was working on a huge expansion of Coke's headquarters in Atlanta when the new Coke came out. Unsurprisingly, someone wrote, "THE NEW COKE -->" in the porta potty, with the arrow pointed at the urilnal. :-D
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: ctsignguy on August 17, 2014, 12:51:26 PM
Post by: ctsignguy on August 17, 2014, 12:51:26 PM
Lessee......without reading all of what everyone else has on this thread, the old stuff i remember (and where)
Connecticut:
Conn 51 (now US 1)
Conn 52 (Now I-395)
Conn US 44-A (Now US 44)
I-86, and the four shield gantries that had an I-86 on top, Conn 15 and US 44 shields below, and a tiny I-84 below that
Tolls on the Conn Turnpike, the Merritt Parkway
The original Turnpike bridge over the Connecticut River between Old Lyme and Old Saybrook...
Wood signs all over the State...
Ohio:
Ohio 4/69 headed out of Dayton (just Ohio 4 now)
Ohio 440
Sign assemblies with a large US 25 coupled with a 'TO I-75" assembly
all larger signs had two short posts behind them crossways, then mounted on two vertical posts (i especially remember the larger STOP signs mounted in such a way)
General
HoJos all over the place
A&P stores
Atlantic Gas (before they became ARCO)
The Flying A gas
SOHIO gas
Smudge pots instead of barrels or cones to mark construction zones
And i think that is my biggest memory from those days....all the construction and the detours...or where they were expanding a two-lane highway into four
lanes...
Connecticut:
Conn 51 (now US 1)
Conn 52 (Now I-395)
Conn US 44-A (Now US 44)
I-86, and the four shield gantries that had an I-86 on top, Conn 15 and US 44 shields below, and a tiny I-84 below that
Tolls on the Conn Turnpike, the Merritt Parkway
The original Turnpike bridge over the Connecticut River between Old Lyme and Old Saybrook...
Wood signs all over the State...
Ohio:
Ohio 4/69 headed out of Dayton (just Ohio 4 now)
Ohio 440
Sign assemblies with a large US 25 coupled with a 'TO I-75" assembly
all larger signs had two short posts behind them crossways, then mounted on two vertical posts (i especially remember the larger STOP signs mounted in such a way)
General
HoJos all over the place
A&P stores
Atlantic Gas (before they became ARCO)
The Flying A gas
SOHIO gas
Smudge pots instead of barrels or cones to mark construction zones
And i think that is my biggest memory from those days....all the construction and the detours...or where they were expanding a two-lane highway into four
lanes...
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on August 17, 2014, 12:57:19 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 17, 2014, 12:57:19 PM
^^^^^^
This is for you:
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This is for you:
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Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: ctsignguy on August 17, 2014, 01:04:57 PM
Post by: ctsignguy on August 17, 2014, 01:04:57 PM
Thanks, and these are for me too! :sombrero:
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Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Roadrunner75 on August 17, 2014, 01:22:15 PM
Post by: Roadrunner75 on August 17, 2014, 01:22:15 PM
I've posted this on another thread awhile ago but here's the entertaining list of defunct retailers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_retailers_of_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_retailers_of_the_United_States)
See how many you used to shop at...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_retailers_of_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_retailers_of_the_United_States)
See how many you used to shop at...
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2014, 01:41:08 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2014, 01:41:08 PM
Sohio gas stations in Ohio.
When Orlando, Florida was less sprawl and more open area on its area arterials. What was once a five minuet trip can now take up to twenty minuets if you now live in Central Florida.
When NYSDOT referred to a lot of Rest Areas as Phone Comfort Stations in New York State.
When NJDOT used Lgses on even major freeways.
The Garden State Parkway used just a plain number instead of the traditional exit tab on its road signs.
Here are some real old ones.
Milk vending machines on many street corners.
Mailboxes throughout major suburbs and urban areas.
Rest Areas common on most highways even in populated areas.
Like cts mentioned HoJos everywhere. Its distinct orange roof and blue steeple made it known from miles without the need for billboards.
When Orlando, Florida was less sprawl and more open area on its area arterials. What was once a five minuet trip can now take up to twenty minuets if you now live in Central Florida.
When NYSDOT referred to a lot of Rest Areas as Phone Comfort Stations in New York State.
When NJDOT used Lgses on even major freeways.
The Garden State Parkway used just a plain number instead of the traditional exit tab on its road signs.
Here are some real old ones.
Milk vending machines on many street corners.
Mailboxes throughout major suburbs and urban areas.
Rest Areas common on most highways even in populated areas.
Like cts mentioned HoJos everywhere. Its distinct orange roof and blue steeple made it known from miles without the need for billboards.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cjk374 on August 17, 2014, 01:54:55 PM
Post by: cjk374 on August 17, 2014, 01:54:55 PM
I also remember A&P stores. What about Murphy's, OTASCO Tire & Service, K&B Drugs, TG&Y Stores?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2014, 01:59:35 PM
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2014, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on August 17, 2014, 01:54:55 PMPantry Pride in the Northeast.
I also remember A&P stores. What about Murphy's, OTASCO Tire & Service, K&B Drugs, TG&Y Stores?
Big Boy Restaurants were pretty much nationwide. BTW I also remember Shoney's used to have a Big Boy franchise in the 70's.
Winn Dixie and Piggly Wiggly were king in Florida. Now the former has scaled back a lot while the latter went completely under with Kash n Karry buying out the remainder.
Food Lion started making it big in Orlando area, but now packed up from the Sunshine State altogether.
Jack In The Box used to be in NJ and many other areas east of the ole Miss.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cjk374 on August 17, 2014, 02:23:03 PM
Post by: cjk374 on August 17, 2014, 02:23:03 PM
We still have Piggly Wiggly stores in Homer & Haynesville, LA. In fact, they are gonna build a new store to replace an old one in Haynesville.
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Post by: 1995hoo on August 17, 2014, 03:42:57 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 17, 2014, 03:42:57 PM
I remember a couple of A&P stores in Virginia. Two of them later became "Super Fresh."
We had a chain called High's Dairy Stores in Northern Virginia when I was a kid. I remember them as being somewhat similar to 7-11, though I don't recall many details because we normally went to 7-11 since we could ride our bikes to one near our neighborhood.
Shakey's Pizza Parlor was a popular chain once upon a time. I always wondered what the significance of "parlor" was aside from the alliteration. I think they were nationwide.
We had a chain called High's Dairy Stores in Northern Virginia when I was a kid. I remember them as being somewhat similar to 7-11, though I don't recall many details because we normally went to 7-11 since we could ride our bikes to one near our neighborhood.
Shakey's Pizza Parlor was a popular chain once upon a time. I always wondered what the significance of "parlor" was aside from the alliteration. I think they were nationwide.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: OracleUsr on August 17, 2014, 11:07:01 PM
Post by: OracleUsr on August 17, 2014, 11:07:01 PM
When I was a co-op student for IBM, I lived in Marietta, GA, and right at Delk Road and...Powers Ferry (? I think it was something Ferry Rd) was a huge A&P that I practically lived in.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mefailenglish on August 18, 2014, 06:23:01 PM
Post by: mefailenglish on August 18, 2014, 06:23:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2014, 03:42:57 PMThe biggest difference that I can remember is High's had hand-dipped ice cream in their stores. They are still around in MD, and maybe Delaware as well?
We had a chain called High's Dairy Stores in Northern Virginia when I was a kid. I remember them as being somewhat similar to 7-11, though I don't recall many details because we normally went to 7-11 since we could ride our bikes to one near our neighborhood.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on August 18, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Post by: roadman on August 18, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2014, 12:57:19 PM
^^^^^^
This is for you:
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Now, you're really too old if you remember when the highway between Hartford and the MA line was only Route 15, or the brief period where part of the highway between Hartford and Manchester was triple signed as I-86, CT 15, and US 6.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2014, 07:05:09 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2014, 07:05:09 PM
on the Mass side ... I just picked up a 1960s spec I-84 shield. at one point that route was indeed signed as 84, before getting resigned as 86 and then again as 84.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Roadrunner75 on August 19, 2014, 12:52:20 AM
Post by: Roadrunner75 on August 19, 2014, 12:52:20 AM
You are too old if you remember watching this...
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: msubulldog on August 19, 2014, 10:55:46 AM
Post by: msubulldog on August 19, 2014, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on August 17, 2014, 01:54:55 PMI remember TG&Y's in the San Antonio area; my sister-in-law worked at one when she married my brother. I also remember Pine State Dairy products in North Carolina.
I also remember A&P stores. What about Murphy's, OTASCO Tire & Service, K&B Drugs, TG&Y Stores?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on August 19, 2014, 12:54:12 PM
Post by: mgk920 on August 19, 2014, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on August 17, 2014, 02:23:03 PM
We still have Piggly Wiggly stores in Homer & Haynesville, LA. In fact, they are gonna build a new store to replace an old one in Haynesville.
You can still "Shop the PIG!" all over Wisconsin, too.
:nod:
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: DeaconG on August 19, 2014, 05:05:29 PM
Post by: DeaconG on August 19, 2014, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 19, 2014, 12:54:12 PMQuote from: cjk374 on August 17, 2014, 02:23:03 PM
We still have Piggly Wiggly stores in Homer & Haynesville, LA. In fact, they are gonna build a new store to replace an old one in Haynesville.
You can still "Shop the PIG!" all over Wisconsin, too.
:nod:
Mike
I haven't seen one of those in years; they used to be quite popular in the Florida Panhandle but Wally World has been taking them out one by one. I'm actually surprised that the IGA brand is still holding on (there's one in the town my Mom grew up in).
Speaking of groceries, when was the last time anyone saw a Penn Fruit? For me it was the mid-70s in Philly, just before the chain went TU.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cjk374 on August 19, 2014, 10:57:42 PM
Post by: cjk374 on August 19, 2014, 10:57:42 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on August 19, 2014, 12:52:20 AM
You are too old if you remember watching this...
I remember watching that as a kid....but I didn't realize it was one year older than I am! Sesame St. apparently kept playing the old skits for many years.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on August 19, 2014, 11:49:41 PM
Post by: thenetwork on August 19, 2014, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on August 19, 2014, 10:57:42 PMQuote from: Roadrunner75 on August 19, 2014, 12:52:20 AM
You are too old if you remember watching this...
I remember watching that as a kid....but I didn't realize it was one year older than I am! Sesame St. apparently kept playing the old skits for many years.
...Until EVERYTHING revolved around Elmo's World. Old School Sesame Street (everything BEFORE Snuffleupagus was visible to all) will ALWAYS be the best! Same with The Electric Company when Morgan Freeman was best known as Easy Reader. :clap:
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: BamaZeus on August 20, 2014, 11:18:23 AM
Post by: BamaZeus on August 20, 2014, 11:18:23 AM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on August 19, 2014, 12:52:20 AM
You are too old if you remember watching this...
I've watched that one on Youtube before to re-live my youth, and there are variations of it where they speed up/slow down the video.
One of them had the whole video played backward, and at one point someone correctly points out that it sounds like a drunk Andre the Giant talking.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 20, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 20, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 19, 2014, 05:05:29 PM
Speaking of groceries, when was the last time anyone saw a Penn Fruit? For me it was the mid-70s in Philly, just before the chain went TU.
I think they existed as far south as Baltimore (I have vague memories of them in the Baltimore area).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cjk374 on August 20, 2014, 11:19:29 PM
Post by: cjk374 on August 20, 2014, 11:19:29 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 19, 2014, 11:49:41 PM
...Until EVERYTHING revolved around Elmo's World. Old School Sesame Street (everything BEFORE Snuffleupagus was visible to all) will ALWAYS be the best! Same with The Electric Company when Morgan Freeman was best known as Easy Reader. :clap:
I guess you would also be considered "old" if you remember the old school "Electric Company" with their Spiderman comic skits, 5 seconds to say a word before someone else does, and their grumpy smart-ass version of Mr. Roger's "Speedy Delivery" guy.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: misterjimmy on November 27, 2014, 03:12:41 AM
Post by: misterjimmy on November 27, 2014, 03:12:41 AM
Yeah, like cts I remember Atlantic/Arco, HoJos, and flare pots. But also...
-When the CT Turnpike was tolled.
-After CT retired the tolls, those big, wordy orange signs that ended with "Road legally closed. State liability limited."
-When Mobil's cylindrical glass enclosed pumps looked futuristic instead of retro, and when synthetic Mobil 1 was a new, cutting edge product.
-When the red arrow on the Sunoco sign used to blink on and off. (on purpose :))
-Gulf "No-Nox" and Clark "Super 100"
-Before they "bunched" the tolls on the GSP and it felt like you were pitching a dime into a basket every 1/2 mile.
-When STP stickers were available for free, and we plastered them all over our bikes, school notebooks, and Dad's Ford Country Squire Wagon. :pan:
-When the DAV would mail you keytags that were a miniature replica of your car's license plate. (I REALLY miss those!)
-When the toll tickets on the Mass Pike, NY Thruway, and probably everywhere else were those full-size IBM punchcards.
-"THE WAR", painted on the bottom half of stop signs circa 1969. ("What war, Dad?", and he'd just clench his jaws and pretend he didn't hear me.)
And finally.....50 Atomic Fire Balls for a quarter from the corner drug store!! :colorful:
-When the CT Turnpike was tolled.
-After CT retired the tolls, those big, wordy orange signs that ended with "Road legally closed. State liability limited."
-When Mobil's cylindrical glass enclosed pumps looked futuristic instead of retro, and when synthetic Mobil 1 was a new, cutting edge product.
-When the red arrow on the Sunoco sign used to blink on and off. (on purpose :))
-Gulf "No-Nox" and Clark "Super 100"
-Before they "bunched" the tolls on the GSP and it felt like you were pitching a dime into a basket every 1/2 mile.
-When STP stickers were available for free, and we plastered them all over our bikes, school notebooks, and Dad's Ford Country Squire Wagon. :pan:
-When the DAV would mail you keytags that were a miniature replica of your car's license plate. (I REALLY miss those!)
-When the toll tickets on the Mass Pike, NY Thruway, and probably everywhere else were those full-size IBM punchcards.
-"THE WAR", painted on the bottom half of stop signs circa 1969. ("What war, Dad?", and he'd just clench his jaws and pretend he didn't hear me.)
And finally.....50 Atomic Fire Balls for a quarter from the corner drug store!! :colorful:
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 27, 2014, 08:36:19 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 27, 2014, 08:36:19 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2014, 03:42:57 PM
We had a chain called High's Dairy Stores in Northern Virginia when I was a kid. I remember them as being somewhat similar to 7-11, though I don't recall many details because we normally went to 7-11 since we could ride our bikes to one near our neighborhood.
Highs can still be found in Maryland in the counties that make up the Baltimore region (in particular Anne Arundel and Howard Counties).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: misterjimmy on November 29, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Post by: misterjimmy on November 29, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 27, 2014, 08:36:19 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2014, 03:42:57 PM
We had a chain called High's Dairy Stores in Northern Virginia when I was a kid. I remember them as being somewhat similar to 7-11, though I don't recall many details because we normally went to 7-11 since we could ride our bikes to one near our neighborhood.
Highs can still be found in Maryland in the counties that make up the Baltimore region (in particular Anne Arundel and Howard Counties).
I KNEW High's sounded familiar, I just couldn't place it. I think there was one in Odenton that I used to stop at on my way to work.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on November 29, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Post by: roadman65 on November 29, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
When Gulf Stations existed in Florida and Chevron Stations existed in New Jersey.
I have said it before, but for the sake of the newbies here, when the Garden State Parkway had number only exit tabs, the arrow in the circle on the exit gore signs on the NJHA sections while the NJDOT pieces had the at exit guides in the gore similar to that at SB Exit 140.
When Black Friday began on Black Friday and not before it.
When Rest Areas were more plentiful on highways.
When NYSDOT would have signs saying " There are no services on this route, find them at interchanges" along some freeways.
When NJ Turnpike was control city on I-95 in Northeastern Maryland and when Philadelphia was listed on all the mileage signs post interchanges.
I have said it before, but for the sake of the newbies here, when the Garden State Parkway had number only exit tabs, the arrow in the circle on the exit gore signs on the NJHA sections while the NJDOT pieces had the at exit guides in the gore similar to that at SB Exit 140.
When Black Friday began on Black Friday and not before it.
When Rest Areas were more plentiful on highways.
When NYSDOT would have signs saying " There are no services on this route, find them at interchanges" along some freeways.
When NJ Turnpike was control city on I-95 in Northeastern Maryland and when Philadelphia was listed on all the mileage signs post interchanges.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Roadrunner75 on November 30, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
Post by: Roadrunner75 on November 30, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 29, 2014, 11:54:04 AMI remember Chevron in New Jersey too....one right behind the Deptford Mall on NJ 41.
When Gulf Stations existed in Florida and Chevron Stations existed in New Jersey.
QuoteThere were more small rest areas without any services - maybe only a pay phone at most. NJ 42 had a pair somewhere near where the new exits are for Camden County College, that sat abandoned for years. Also many now gone on the Garden State Parkway, including the infamous one near Forked River where Robert Marshall had his wife murdered. Hard to tell where that one was now, with the roadway widening. There was another one NB just south of interchange 88 that I figured out by noticing a little bit of remaining pavement extending into and out of the woods (as I passed by every day) - now also gone with the current construction.
When Rest Areas were more plentiful on highways.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mefailenglish on November 30, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
Post by: mefailenglish on November 30, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 29, 2014, 11:54:04 AMI remember when there was a NJTP trailblazer at the exit from MD 295 to I-895.
When NJ Turnpike was control city on I-95 in Northeastern Maryland and when Philadelphia was listed on all the mileage signs post interchanges.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: msubulldog on December 07, 2014, 02:37:32 PM
Post by: msubulldog on December 07, 2014, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: misterjimmy on November 27, 2014, 03:12:41 AM
-When the red arrow on the Sunoco sign used to blink on and off. (on purpose :))
I remember those arrows on Sunoco and Pure signs. I always dreamed about the arrow on a Pure sign spinning round and round before blasting off into space, exploding, and then a 76 sign appears in the sky.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: bing101 on December 07, 2014, 03:07:27 PM
Post by: bing101 on December 07, 2014, 03:07:27 PM
If you remember Cypress Freeway was CA-17, Eastshore Fwy was US-40, I-480 Embarcadero Freeway, I-880 Beltline Freeway and when Black Friday took place at 6am Friday Morning after Thanksgiving not 5pm. 6pm or 11pm Thanksgiving day.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on December 07, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: kkt on December 07, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
Quote from: bing101 on December 07, 2014, 03:07:27 PM
If you remember Cypress Freeway was CA-17, Eastshore Fwy was US-40, I-480 Embarcadero Freeway, I-880 Beltline Freeway and when Black Friday took place at 6am Friday Morning after Thanksgiving not 5pm. 6pm or 11pm Thanksgiving day.
I remember all of those except when the Eastshore Freeway was US-40. "Black Friday" was not a phrase, and while some people did a little shopping Saturday or Sunday, many people didn't start Christmas shopping until December.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: route17fan on December 07, 2014, 06:53:49 PM
Post by: route17fan on December 07, 2014, 06:53:49 PM
Ooh - when I was waaay younger growing up in Ohio I really wished I could have taken tons of pictures of:
Ohio
I-71 - two lanes - and concrete and tons of state named interstate shields
Rounded corners and z-bars on BGS
classic 18"x18" shields - and the oversized Ohio shields with small numbers inside
Stuckey's Restaurants
L & K restaurants - anyone from Ohio remember those??
SOHIO gas stations
Burger Chef - which was mentioned earlier in the thread was in my hometown of Mt. Vernon, Ohio - I miss that place!
Pennsylvania
I-90 - concrete
BORON gas stations
BGSes with button copy PA route shields - specifically for PA 832 and "P A xx" in all text
JUNCTION - instead of an exit number at I-79
New York
More concrete roads
watching NY 17 get constructed from Olean NY westward to Westfield
NO U TURN signs in the median instead of the graphic sign on expressways
L-beam sign posts (becoming increasingly rare)
AMOCO gas stations
AM&A's in western NY
A lot of those sign pictures I once had but had thrown away growing up because I didn't think others were doing what I have been doing literally since 1980 when I was 10 - if I only knew.
Ohio
I-71 - two lanes - and concrete and tons of state named interstate shields
Rounded corners and z-bars on BGS
classic 18"x18" shields - and the oversized Ohio shields with small numbers inside
Stuckey's Restaurants
L & K restaurants - anyone from Ohio remember those??
SOHIO gas stations
Burger Chef - which was mentioned earlier in the thread was in my hometown of Mt. Vernon, Ohio - I miss that place!
Pennsylvania
I-90 - concrete
BORON gas stations
BGSes with button copy PA route shields - specifically for PA 832 and "P A xx" in all text
JUNCTION - instead of an exit number at I-79
New York
More concrete roads
watching NY 17 get constructed from Olean NY westward to Westfield
NO U TURN signs in the median instead of the graphic sign on expressways
L-beam sign posts (becoming increasingly rare)
AMOCO gas stations
AM&A's in western NY
A lot of those sign pictures I once had but had thrown away growing up because I didn't think others were doing what I have been doing literally since 1980 when I was 10 - if I only knew.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on December 07, 2014, 08:34:04 PM
Post by: thenetwork on December 07, 2014, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: route17fan on December 07, 2014, 06:53:49 PM
Ooh - when I was waaay younger growing up in Ohio I really wished I could have taken tons of pictures of:
Ohio
I-71 - two lanes - and concrete and tons of state named interstate shields
Rounded corners and z-bars on BGS
classic 18"x18" shields - and the oversized Ohio shields with small numbers inside
Stuckey's Restaurants
L & K restaurants - anyone from Ohio remember those??
SOHIO gas stations
Burger Chef - which was mentioned earlier in the thread was in my hometown of Mt. Vernon, Ohio - I miss that place!
Pennsylvania
I-90 - concrete
I remember L & K & Stuckey's. There was also Dutch
And unless PA is running out of ideas for construction zones on I-90, isn't most/all of it still concrete?
How about when NY-17 (I-86) between the PA line and Bemus Point was only a Super-2?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 07, 2014, 09:56:29 PM
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 07, 2014, 09:56:29 PM
When 25 cents worth of "Good Gulf" would get you a Sunday drive
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: route17fan on December 07, 2014, 10:50:12 PM
Post by: route17fan on December 07, 2014, 10:50:12 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on December 07, 2014, 08:34:04 PMQuote from: route17fan on December 07, 2014, 06:53:49 PM
Ooh - when I was waaay younger growing up in Ohio I really wished I could have taken tons of pictures of:
Ohio
I-71 - two lanes - and concrete and tons of state named interstate shields
Rounded corners and z-bars on BGS
classic 18"x18" shields - and the oversized Ohio shields with small numbers inside
Stuckey's Restaurants
L & K restaurants - anyone from Ohio remember those??
SOHIO gas stations
Burger Chef - which was mentioned earlier in the thread was in my hometown of Mt. Vernon, Ohio - I miss that place!
Pennsylvania
I-90 - concrete
I remember L & K & Stuckey's. There was also DutchPantiesPantrys and Red Barn restaurants.
And unless PA is running out of ideas for construction zones on I-90, isn't most/all of it still concrete?
How about when NY-17 (I-86) between the PA line and Bemus Point was only a Super-2?
I-90 in PA is mostly asphalt (save a few sections Erie and east)
I-86/NY 17 - I remember when NY 17 duplexed with NY 394 to Westfield and then duplexed with NY 430 and then the gradual expressway at what would be current exit 10. Aah the good old days!
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: bing101 on December 08, 2014, 05:34:15 PM
Post by: bing101 on December 08, 2014, 05:34:15 PM
When Yolo was only used in the Sacramento Valley to refer to a county that covered the Cities of Davis, West Sacramento, Woodland and Winters.
and when Yolo was named after a Tribe in the Sacramento area. Yolo was not mis used by a celeb to brag that they were the hot star of the moment.
and when Yolo was named after a Tribe in the Sacramento area. Yolo was not mis used by a celeb to brag that they were the hot star of the moment.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman on December 08, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
Post by: roadman on December 08, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
I remember Stuckey's as well - on one of our trips to Virginia in 1969, my mother convinced my father to buy gas there by the "get a free box of candy with a minimum 10 gallon fill up" promotion they were advertising on a seeming endless stream of billboards between the Delaware Memorial Bridge and Williamsburg.
To this day, I still recall how the candy was truly awful and the family car (1964 Pontiac Catalina station wagon) didn't run quite the same until a couple of fill ups later once the Stuckey's Brand X gas was flushed out of the fuel system.
To this day, I still recall how the candy was truly awful and the family car (1964 Pontiac Catalina station wagon) didn't run quite the same until a couple of fill ups later once the Stuckey's Brand X gas was flushed out of the fuel system.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Takumi on December 08, 2014, 06:16:48 PM
Post by: Takumi on December 08, 2014, 06:16:48 PM
I stopped at a Stuckey's in South Hill, VA last year coming back from Charlotte. The most noteworthy thing I saw there was a can of Ajax cleaning powder that looked like it was at least as old as me.
Title: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on December 08, 2014, 07:27:52 PM
Post by: formulanone on December 08, 2014, 07:27:52 PM
There's a Stuckey's just outside Fellsmere, Florida at CR512 and I-95. No lunch counter, just a large array of silly gifts, T-shirts, and the usual convenience store items. They had BP gasoline.
I want to say there's another one about an hour north on 95, but I haven't been in that one.
I want to say there's another one about an hour north on 95, but I haven't been in that one.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: thenetwork on December 08, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
Post by: thenetwork on December 08, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
Last I was up I-90 near the Ashtabula, OH area, there was an abandoned Stuckey's still standing. And the one on I-71 near the SR-61/Mt. Gilead, OH exit was (at the time) a gentleman's club called Stingray. Somehow they repainted the old Stuckey's tall sign to say Stingray, but the letters between the "St" and the "y" looked terrible!
When I was last thru Kansas on I-70, there were several Stuckey's that looked like they might have been open until the early 2000's, because from the freeway, they did not look too dilapidated/abandoned. When they were open, many the Kansas stores had a Dairy Queen.
What is cool about the Red Barn restaurants is that a lot of the original buildings still stand with the barn shape still intact. In the midwest, I saw some of the old Red Barns converted into Chinese restaurants, video arcades and at least two of them were converted into drive-thru car-washes!
When I was last thru Kansas on I-70, there were several Stuckey's that looked like they might have been open until the early 2000's, because from the freeway, they did not look too dilapidated/abandoned. When they were open, many the Kansas stores had a Dairy Queen.
What is cool about the Red Barn restaurants is that a lot of the original buildings still stand with the barn shape still intact. In the midwest, I saw some of the old Red Barns converted into Chinese restaurants, video arcades and at least two of them were converted into drive-thru car-washes!
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Post by: route17fan on December 08, 2014, 10:29:07 PM
Post by: route17fan on December 08, 2014, 10:29:07 PM
The Stuckey's on I-71 at OH 61 is the one I saw too. :)
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Post by: DeaconG on December 09, 2014, 08:38:31 PM
Post by: DeaconG on December 09, 2014, 08:38:31 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 08, 2014, 07:27:52 PM
There's a Stuckey's just outside Fellsmere, Florida at CR512 and I-95. No lunch counter, just a large array of silly gifts, T-shirts, and the usual convenience store items. They had BP gasoline.
I want to say there's another one about an hour north on 95, but I haven't been in that one.
There's one in Scottsmoor at the interchange of I-95 and CR 5A. Been in it a couple of times, has the same kind of layout you describe for the one in Fellesmere.
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Post by: route17fan on December 11, 2014, 01:29:09 PM
Post by: route17fan on December 11, 2014, 01:29:09 PM
Oh! I just remembered this one - a store called Big N
I grew up in Mt. Vernon, Ohio in the 1970s and that store was on US 36 on the east end of town. The only reason I mention this is because my grandparents had a record (remember those? :-D) from Big N records and thought they might have been at least a regional store but can not find anything online about it.
There was also a Conley's store which sold run-of-the-mill stuff kind of like a "Ben Franklin" - which one still operates in Utica, Ohio and also I've seen a few in PA.
I grew up in Mt. Vernon, Ohio in the 1970s and that store was on US 36 on the east end of town. The only reason I mention this is because my grandparents had a record (remember those? :-D) from Big N records and thought they might have been at least a regional store but can not find anything online about it.
There was also a Conley's store which sold run-of-the-mill stuff kind of like a "Ben Franklin" - which one still operates in Utica, Ohio and also I've seen a few in PA.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: mefailenglish on November 30, 2014, 03:25:27 PMQuote from: roadman65 on November 29, 2014, 11:54:04 AMI remember when there was a NJTP trailblazer at the exit from MD 295 to I-895.
When NJ Turnpike was control city on I-95 in Northeastern Maryland and when Philadelphia was listed on all the mileage signs post interchanges.
There was also a NJTP trailblazer on westbound U.S. 50 approaching Md. 213.
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Post by: GCrites on December 27, 2014, 10:49:25 AM
Post by: GCrites on December 27, 2014, 10:49:25 AM
The Stingray Stuckey's has been demo'ed. I went past there on my way to Mid-Ohio in August. I remember it also acted as a Corvette parts and repair center for a while. Kinda fitting I guess.
Cincinnati's Over-The-Rhine neighborhood had an abandoned Red Barn until a few years ago. If you are familiar with that area you can imagine that the building really stuck out.
Cincinnati's Over-The-Rhine neighborhood had an abandoned Red Barn until a few years ago. If you are familiar with that area you can imagine that the building really stuck out.
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Post by: mjb2002 on December 28, 2014, 02:05:05 AM
Post by: mjb2002 on December 28, 2014, 02:05:05 AM
When businesses used to (rightfully) close their doors all day on New Year's Day WITHOUT exceptions. We need to go back to that, before the young heads forget the meaning of January 1!
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Post by: NE2 on December 28, 2014, 02:26:21 AM
Post by: NE2 on December 28, 2014, 02:26:21 AM
Quote from: mjb2002 on December 28, 2014, 02:05:05 AMAs one of the kids these days, I ask you: what is the meaning of January 1? Nursing a hangover?
When businesses used to (rightfully) close their doors all day on New Year's Day WITHOUT exceptions. We need to go back to that, before the young heads forget the meaning of January 1!
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Post by: cjk374 on December 28, 2014, 12:31:18 PM
Post by: cjk374 on December 28, 2014, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 28, 2014, 02:26:21 AMQuote from: mjb2002 on December 28, 2014, 02:05:05 AMAs one of the kids these days, I ask you: what is the meaning of January 1? Nursing a hangover?
When businesses used to (rightfully) close their doors all day on New Year's Day WITHOUT exceptions. We need to go back to that, before the young heads forget the meaning of January 1!
That's one of the reasons I would give. Also way to try to help families get together if they couldn't get together at Christmas.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on December 08, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
When I was last thru Kansas on I-70, there were several Stuckey's that looked like they might have been open until the early 2000's, because from the freeway, they did not look too dilapidated/abandoned.
Though they have a presence on the Web here (http://www.stuckeys.com/).
There was a Stuckey's on U.S. 301 (GSV: southbound side (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=38.241492,-77.149548&ll=38.241462,-77.149043&spn=0.003396,0.005777&num=1&t=h&z=18), now used car dealer) in King George County, Va., as well as near I-95 Exit 126 (Va. 606) at Thornburg, south of Fredericksburg, which closed in 1996 (details here (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19961203&id=POoyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0QcGAAAAIBAJ&pg=5934,131558)). I think the Thornburg Stuckey's was located here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Thornburg,+VA&ll=38.132348,-77.513558&spn=0.001709,0.002889&cid=1805910806001302400&hnear=Thornburg,+Spotsylvania+County,+Virginia&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=38.132346,-77.513785&panoid=jtEUuwh4Ec-IL_eK7MtbpQ&cbp=12,184.49,,0,9.02).
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Post by: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2014, 06:24:54 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2014, 06:24:54 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 28, 2014, 02:26:21 AM
As one of the kids these days, I ask you: what is the meaning of January 1? Nursing a hangover?
Cannot drink nearly that much these days, so hangovers are not relevant to me any longer.
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Post by: thenetwork on December 28, 2014, 07:27:01 PM
Post by: thenetwork on December 28, 2014, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on December 28, 2014, 12:31:18 PMQuote from: NE2 on December 28, 2014, 02:26:21 AMQuote from: mjb2002 on December 28, 2014, 02:05:05 AMAs one of the kids these days, I ask you: what is the meaning of January 1? Nursing a hangover?
When businesses used to (rightfully) close their doors all day on New Year's Day WITHOUT exceptions. We need to go back to that, before the young heads forget the meaning of January 1!
That's one of the reasons I would give. Also way to try to help families get together if they couldn't get together at Christmas.
Naw, having off on the 1st is so people can watch 25 college bowl games.
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Post by: 1995hoo on December 28, 2014, 07:58:38 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on December 28, 2014, 07:58:38 PM
Screw the bowl games. We're going to the Winter Classic.
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Post by: The Nature Boy on December 28, 2014, 08:04:22 PM
Post by: The Nature Boy on December 28, 2014, 08:04:22 PM
Why can't we just have the main bowl games and send everyone else home? Does ANYONE honestly watch the Zaxby's Bowl or the Meineke Bowl or the Pinstrips Bowl or the AARoads Bowl or whatever else they've come up with?
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Post by: Jardine on December 28, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
Post by: Jardine on December 28, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
watching Mutiny on the Bounty, (Marlon Brando) first run in 70mm.
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Post by: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2014, 08:53:37 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2014, 08:53:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 28, 2014, 07:58:38 PM
Screw the bowl games. We're going to the Winter Classic.
That is so much more cool.
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Post by: NE2 on December 29, 2014, 12:36:50 AM
Post by: NE2 on December 29, 2014, 12:36:50 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on December 28, 2014, 08:04:22 PMBitcoin Bowl...
Why can't we just have the main bowl games and send everyone else home? Does ANYONE honestly watch the Zaxby's Bowl or the Meineke Bowl or the Pinstrips Bowl or the AARoads Bowl or whatever else they've come up with?
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Post by: The Nature Boy on December 29, 2014, 01:21:17 AM
Post by: The Nature Boy on December 29, 2014, 01:21:17 AM
I swear that the extra bowls only exist so middling programs can boast about being in a bowl. Cut the number of bowls and send these middling teams home to try again and do better next year.
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Post by: dfwmapper on December 29, 2014, 03:44:57 AM
Post by: dfwmapper on December 29, 2014, 03:44:57 AM
They exist because enough people make money off of them. Whatever the fuck a Duck Commander is gets a couple dozen mentions on SportsCenter and countless people Googling them to figure what they are (and presumably buying whatever they sell). Shreveport gets a few thousand people visiting the city, staying in their hotels, and dropping money in their casinos. Schools get paid 6 figures (or more) to show up, and for most of them, that money is the only thing getting the athletic program anywhere near breaking even, much less turning a profit. ESPN gets to charge cable providers another 10 cents per month per subscriber. It's a terrible system, but it's not going to change until there's a financial reason to do so.
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Post by: Mapmikey on December 29, 2014, 06:26:24 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on December 29, 2014, 06:26:24 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2014, 06:18:02 PMQuote from: thenetwork on December 08, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
When I was last thru Kansas on I-70, there were several Stuckey's that looked like they might have been open until the early 2000's, because from the freeway, they did not look too dilapidated/abandoned.
Though they have a presence on the Web here (http://www.stuckeys.com/).
There was a Stuckey's on U.S. 301 (GSV: southbound side (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=38.241492,-77.149548&ll=38.241462,-77.149043&spn=0.003396,0.005777&num=1&t=h&z=18), now used car dealer) in King George County, Va., as well as near I-95 Exit 126 (Va. 606) at Thornburg, south of Fredericksburg, which closed in 1996 (details here (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19961203&id=POoyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0QcGAAAAIBAJ&pg=5934,131558)). I think the Thornburg Stuckey's was located here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Thornburg,+VA&ll=38.132348,-77.513558&spn=0.001709,0.002889&cid=1805910806001302400&hnear=Thornburg,+Spotsylvania+County,+Virginia&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=38.132346,-77.513785&panoid=jtEUuwh4Ec-IL_eK7MtbpQ&cbp=12,184.49,,0,9.02).
The Dairy Queen/Shell is built on top of the Thornburg Stuckey's site...
Mapmikey
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Post by: Pete from Boston on December 29, 2014, 07:18:18 AM
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 29, 2014, 07:18:18 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 28, 2014, 02:26:21 AMQuote from: mjb2002 on December 28, 2014, 02:05:05 AMAs one of the kids these days, I ask you: what is the meaning of January 1? Nursing a hangover?
When businesses used to (rightfully) close their doors all day on New Year's Day WITHOUT exceptions. We need to go back to that, before the young heads forget the meaning of January 1!
I assumed it was a joke.
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Post by: NE2 on December 29, 2014, 07:22:42 AM
Post by: NE2 on December 29, 2014, 07:22:42 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 29, 2014, 07:18:18 AMQuote from: NE2 on December 28, 2014, 02:26:21 AMQuote from: mjb2002 on December 28, 2014, 02:05:05 AMAs one of the kids these days, I ask you: what is the meaning of January 1? Nursing a hangover?
When businesses used to (rightfully) close their doors all day on New Year's Day WITHOUT exceptions. We need to go back to that, before the young heads forget the meaning of January 1!
I assumed it was a joke.
I assumed MJB was incapable of forming a coherent joke.
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Post by: vtk on December 29, 2014, 09:53:57 AM
Post by: vtk on December 29, 2014, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 29, 2014, 07:22:42 AMQuote from: Pete from Boston on December 29, 2014, 07:18:18 AMQuote from: NE2 on December 28, 2014, 02:26:21 AMQuote from: mjb2002 on December 28, 2014, 02:05:05 AMAs one of the kids these days, I ask you: what is the meaning of January 1? Nursing a hangover?
When businesses used to (rightfully) close their doors all day on New Year's Day WITHOUT exceptions. We need to go back to that, before the young heads forget the meaning of January 1!
I assumed it was a joke.
I assumed MJB was incapable of forming a coherent joke.
Just unwilling, I think. (And as a result, unpracticed.)
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Post by: roadman on December 29, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Post by: roadman on December 29, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on December 28, 2014, 08:04:22 PMDon't you know. The new standard in college football is "Everybody goes to a Bowl." As long as they can sucker a company into buying the naming rights (worst WASTE of money ever).
Why can't we just have the main bowl games and send everyone else home? Does ANYONE honestly watch the Zaxby's Bowl or the Meineke Bowl or the Pinstrips Bowl or the AARoads Bowl or whatever else they've come up with?
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Post by: 1995hoo on December 29, 2014, 06:10:17 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on December 29, 2014, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: roadman on December 29, 2014, 10:56:01 AMQuote from: The Nature Boy on December 28, 2014, 08:04:22 PMDon't you know. The new standard in college football is "Everybody goes to a Bowl." As long as they can sucker a company into buying the naming rights (worst WASTE of money ever).
Why can't we just have the main bowl games and send everyone else home? Does ANYONE honestly watch the Zaxby's Bowl or the Meineke Bowl or the Pinstrips Bowl or the AARoads Bowl or whatever else they've come up with?
I believe more than half the teams in Division I-A now go to bowls. Once upon a time, going to a bowl was a reward for a good season. Nowadays, missing a bowl means you were so bad you weren't even mediocre.
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Post by: thenetwork on December 29, 2014, 06:57:29 PM
Post by: thenetwork on December 29, 2014, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 29, 2014, 06:10:17 PMQuote from: roadman on December 29, 2014, 10:56:01 AMQuote from: The Nature Boy on December 28, 2014, 08:04:22 PMDon't you know. The new standard in college football is "Everybody goes to a Bowl." As long as they can sucker a company into buying the naming rights (worst WASTE of money ever).
Why can't we just have the main bowl games and send everyone else home? Does ANYONE honestly watch the Zaxby's Bowl or the Meineke Bowl or the Pinstrips Bowl or the AARoads Bowl or whatever else they've come up with?
I believe more than half the teams in Division I-A now go to bowls. Once upon a time, going to a bowl was a reward for a good season. Nowadays, missing a bowl means you were so bad you weren't even mediocre.
The other problem with college football is that for most of the teams that make it to a bowl game, or are in the weekly Top 20 polls, are usually there because the first 4-5 games are against "pansy" teams that are only about 1/4th as good as the big teams. So by the time these perennial top 20 teams play teams their own size, they already have 4-5 wins under their belt and enough points to be guaranteed a bowl appearance somewhere.
They should follow the NFL rules as far as determining a team's schedule against non-conference teams -- stronger teams must play against stronger teams and the weaker teams play more teams of their own strength. These common 72-0 blowouts in the first half of the college season are nothing more than greed games: The pansy college gets Big Bucks for the privilege to play and get humiliated by a big-time team, while the goliath team gets an easy win to help pad their season record.
And what is with some of these colleges who have to give "reward stickers" for a player to put on their helmet??? Giving stickers for jobs well done is something that should be done in Elementary School -- in college, you are expected to play well. But then again, some of these jocks only have an intelligence of an elementary school student, hence their usual Underwater Basket Weaving 201 classes that keep them above a certain GPA so they can still play on the team.
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Post by: cjk374 on December 30, 2014, 08:38:55 PM
Post by: cjk374 on December 30, 2014, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: dfwmapper on December 29, 2014, 03:44:57 AM
They exist because enough people make money off of them. Whatever the fuck a Duck Commander is gets a couple dozen mentions on SportsCenter and countless people Googling them to figure what they are (and presumably buying whatever they sell). Shreveport gets a few thousand people visiting the city, staying in their hotels, and dropping money in their casinos. Schools get paid 6 figures (or more) to show up, and for most of them, that money is the only thing getting the athletic program anywhere near breaking even, much less turning a profit. ESPN gets to charge cable providers another 10 cents per month per subscriber. It's a terrible system, but it's not going to change until there's a financial reason to do so.
Ever heard of "Duck Dynasty" on the A&E channel?
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Post by: GCrites on December 31, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
Post by: GCrites on December 31, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
^^I'd find underwater basket weaving very difficult.
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Post by: hm insulators on December 31, 2014, 05:08:53 PM
Post by: hm insulators on December 31, 2014, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on December 31, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
^^I'd find underwater basket weaving very difficult.
Oh, I don't know. Now whistling with a mouthful of crackers... :-D
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Post by: Pete from Boston on January 01, 2015, 11:38:41 AM
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 01, 2015, 11:38:41 AM
You're too old if you can't remember... oh man, what was it...
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Post by: The Nature Boy on January 01, 2015, 01:08:34 PM
Post by: The Nature Boy on January 01, 2015, 01:08:34 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on December 31, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
^^I'd find underwater basket weaving very difficult.
Given my lack of coordination, I'd probably fail an underwater basket weaving class.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
Post by: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
With "threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" now locked, this is officially the longest thread in the Off-Topic board.
Personally, I'm not old enough to remember much (I was born five months before the turn of the century), but at least I know what faxes and modems are. Does that make me old? :-D
Personally, I'm not old enough to remember much (I was born five months before the turn of the century), but at least I know what faxes and modems are. Does that make me old? :-D
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Post by: US71 on January 25, 2018, 12:12:50 PM
Post by: US71 on January 25, 2018, 12:12:50 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
With "threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" now locked, this is officially the longest thread in the Off-Topic board.
and has been dormant for three years.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Brandon on January 25, 2018, 12:29:19 PM
Post by: Brandon on January 25, 2018, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 25, 2018, 12:12:50 PMQuote from: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
With "threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" now locked, this is officially the longest thread in the Off-Topic board.
and has been dormant for three years.
One could say you're too old if you remember this tread being active. :-D
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Post by: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 12:46:27 PM
Post by: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 25, 2018, 12:29:19 PMQuote from: US71 on January 25, 2018, 12:12:50 PMQuote from: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
With "threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" now locked, this is officially the longest thread in the Off-Topic board.
and has been dormant for three years.
One could say you're too old if you remember this tread being active. :-D
Now we're talking! It also depends when you signed up. I remember that time period, but didn't have an account then.
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Post by: 1995hoo on January 25, 2018, 01:14:33 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on January 25, 2018, 01:14:33 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
With "threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" now locked, this is officially the longest thread in the Off-Topic board.
Personally, I'm not old enough to remember much (I was born five months before the turn of the century), but at least I know what faxes and modems are. Does that make me old? :-D
I recently saw a quiz that allegedly asked about "things only Baby Boomers would know." I am not a member of that generation, yet I got 34 of the 35 questions correct.
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Post by: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 01:37:37 PM
Post by: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 25, 2018, 01:14:33 PMQuote from: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
With "threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" now locked, this is officially the longest thread in the Off-Topic board.
Personally, I'm not old enough to remember much (I was born five months before the turn of the century), but at least I know what faxes and modems are. Does that make me old? :-D
I recently saw a quiz that allegedly asked about "things only Baby Boomers would know." I am not a member of that generation, yet I got 34 of the 35 questions correct.
From my perspective, you're pretty close :-D I'm the oldest in my family, and my parents are in their 40's, but we'll often call them "baby boomers" or "Depression survivors" or the likes, just to get a rise.
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Post by: formulanone on January 25, 2018, 02:02:03 PM
Post by: formulanone on January 25, 2018, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 25, 2018, 01:14:33 PMQuote from: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
With "threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" now locked, this is officially the longest thread in the Off-Topic board.
Personally, I'm not old enough to remember much (I was born five months before the turn of the century), but at least I know what faxes and modems are. Does that make me old? :-D
I recently saw a quiz that allegedly asked about "things only Baby Boomers would know." I am not a member of that generation, yet I got 34 of the 35 questions correct.
Most sites don't want to make their audience feel dumb, it's bad for ad revenue and reduces time spent looking at more clickbait/listicles.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on January 25, 2018, 02:28:35 PM
Post by: kkt on January 25, 2018, 02:28:35 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 25, 2018, 01:14:33 PMQuote from: webny99 on January 25, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
With "threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" now locked, this is officially the longest thread in the Off-Topic board.
Personally, I'm not old enough to remember much (I was born five months before the turn of the century), but at least I know what faxes and modems are. Does that make me old? :-D
I recently saw a quiz that allegedly asked about "things only Baby Boomers would know." I am not a member of that generation, yet I got 34 of the 35 questions correct.
Those sites are usually very easy. The "determine your education level with our quiz" site decided I must have a PhD. Unfortunately, no, not even a bachelor's. But the site has the misconception that the PhD is about learning a lot, while it's actually about an original work.
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Post by: Sctvhound on February 04, 2022, 11:03:50 PM
Post by: Sctvhound on February 04, 2022, 11:03:50 PM
Wasn't on the site when this started (just turned 30), so I am chiming in with late 90s memories...
Road-wise:
- I-95 and I-26 into the 2000s still having the original 1960s concrete in SC, two lanes statewide except for from US 17 to the 52 Connector and from 77 to Harbison on 26
- Outlet malls usually being right off of highways and outside. Concord Mills opening off 85 was huge in the late 90s
- Charleston and Myrtle Beach felt much further apart since there was much less sprawl on US 17 north out of Charleston.
- The Fuller Warren draw bridge in Jacksonville
- The old 2-lane Grace Bridge in Charleston
- Myrtle Beach having no SC 22 or 31 and the Bypass having miles long backups during the summer basically any day
- Seeing a lot more remnants of billboards dating back to the 60s and 70s even in the late 90s
- All of 95 basically from Jacksonville to I-295 south of Richmond was 2 lanes wide
- 17 from Savannah to Gardens Corner was a dangerous 2-lane. You could be caught behind a truck for miles
- the old Woodrow Wilson bridge opened up a lot more frequently on the Beltway
Non-road:
- Having to flip radio stations every 50-75 miles, if you were lucky if you liked a certain format, say oldies.
- There being large cities that had no alcohol sales until a certain time or at all on Sunday. I remember Charleston had no sales on Sunday in grocery stores in the late 90s
- Seeing a much wider variety of cars on the road. Tons of 80s and even late 70s cars
- Cable systems being much wider in channel availability. Many rural areas still had 15-20 channels of cable with only really basic channels while major cities had digital cable beginning
- Regional college football and basketball games on TV preempting national games
- Many gas stations only took cash
- You could get a good cheap room at a Motel 6 or Econo Lodge for under $30 a night
Road-wise:
- I-95 and I-26 into the 2000s still having the original 1960s concrete in SC, two lanes statewide except for from US 17 to the 52 Connector and from 77 to Harbison on 26
- Outlet malls usually being right off of highways and outside. Concord Mills opening off 85 was huge in the late 90s
- Charleston and Myrtle Beach felt much further apart since there was much less sprawl on US 17 north out of Charleston.
- The Fuller Warren draw bridge in Jacksonville
- The old 2-lane Grace Bridge in Charleston
- Myrtle Beach having no SC 22 or 31 and the Bypass having miles long backups during the summer basically any day
- Seeing a lot more remnants of billboards dating back to the 60s and 70s even in the late 90s
- All of 95 basically from Jacksonville to I-295 south of Richmond was 2 lanes wide
- 17 from Savannah to Gardens Corner was a dangerous 2-lane. You could be caught behind a truck for miles
- the old Woodrow Wilson bridge opened up a lot more frequently on the Beltway
Non-road:
- Having to flip radio stations every 50-75 miles, if you were lucky if you liked a certain format, say oldies.
- There being large cities that had no alcohol sales until a certain time or at all on Sunday. I remember Charleston had no sales on Sunday in grocery stores in the late 90s
- Seeing a much wider variety of cars on the road. Tons of 80s and even late 70s cars
- Cable systems being much wider in channel availability. Many rural areas still had 15-20 channels of cable with only really basic channels while major cities had digital cable beginning
- Regional college football and basketball games on TV preempting national games
- Many gas stations only took cash
- You could get a good cheap room at a Motel 6 or Econo Lodge for under $30 a night
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: skluth on February 05, 2022, 04:54:51 PM
Post by: skluth on February 05, 2022, 04:54:51 PM
Quote from: Sctvhound on February 04, 2022, 11:03:50 PM
Wasn't on the site when this started (just turned 30), so I am chiming in with late 90s memories...
Road-wise:
- I-95 and I-26 into the 2000s still having the original 1960s concrete in SC, two lanes statewide except for from US 17 to the 52 Connector and from 77 to Harbison on 26
- Outlet malls usually being right off of highways and outside. Concord Mills opening off 85 was huge in the late 90s
- Charleston and Myrtle Beach felt much further apart since there was much less sprawl on US 17 north out of Charleston.
- The Fuller Warren draw bridge in Jacksonville
- The old 2-lane Grace Bridge in Charleston
- Myrtle Beach having no SC 22 or 31 and the Bypass having miles long backups during the summer basically any day
- Seeing a lot more remnants of billboards dating back to the 60s and 70s even in the late 90s
- All of 95 basically from Jacksonville to I-295 south of Richmond was 2 lanes wide
- 17 from Savannah to Gardens Corner was a dangerous 2-lane. You could be caught behind a truck for miles
- the old Woodrow Wilson bridge opened up a lot more frequently on the Beltway
Non-road:
- Having to flip radio stations every 50-75 miles, if you were lucky if you liked a certain format, say oldies.
- There being large cities that had no alcohol sales until a certain time or at all on Sunday. I remember Charleston had no sales on Sunday in grocery stores in the late 90s
- Seeing a much wider variety of cars on the road. Tons of 80s and even late 70s cars
- Cable systems being much wider in channel availability. Many rural areas still had 15-20 channels of cable with only really basic channels while major cities had digital cable beginning
- Regional college football and basketball games on TV preempting national games
- Many gas stations only took cash
- You could get a good cheap room at a Motel 6 or Econo Lodge for under $30 a night
Cities? There were entire states that once prohibited Sunday alcohol sales. St Louis area residents had to drive to Illinois on Sundays because you couldn't buy alcohol on Sunday in Missouri.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 05, 2022, 05:45:02 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 05, 2022, 05:45:02 PM
I never did this, so I'll do my experiences from CT:
Road Related:
I-84 suddenly became I-86 in East Hartford and exit numbers jumped from 58 to 91. Also remember an exit for Forbes St just before the present 384 ramp.
I-84 existed on I-384 and on the US 6 Willimantic bypass
When the exits in Hartford on I-84 East were Capitol Ave (48;no Asylum), High St (49), Ann (no Uccello) St (50, which was directional to the north). Trumbull St (51), Morgan St (52), and I-91 South (no #).
US 44 between Manchester and Ashford was US 44A, and US 44 piggybacked on I-86 and the east end of CT 74
I-691 was CT 66 and ended at current Exit 4. CT 322 east of I-84 was CT 66. The ramp from 84 West to 691 East was the ramp for 66. Eastbound had 2 ramps: present 28 was 27 was for 66 East only, and there was an extremely short ramp about 250 feet later for 322 West.
CT 9 ended at I-91 and CT 72 extended to Middletown, though the expressway ended in Berlin
I-291 was CT 291 and was a Super 2 that ended at US 5
The Charter Oak Bridge had connections to and from I-91 North
The Founders Bridge had connections to and from I-91 South
Having to exit at Morgan St to make the connection from I-84 East to I-91 North
Tolls on I-95 (aka the Connecticut Turnpike) and the parkways, the Bissell, Charter Oak, and Putnam bridges.
The installation of reflective button copy BGS's.
When I-395 was CT/MA 52
Non-Road:
Liquor stores closed at 8 pm and were closed all day Sunday.
We had the Whalers, and the Celtics played 2 home games a year at the Hartford Civic (not XL) Center
The New Haven Coliseum, Naugatuck Valley Mall, a movie theater inside Westfarms Mall
Jai Alai frontons in Hartford, Bridgeport, and Milford. Dog tracks in Plainfield and Bridgeport
Six Flags was Riverside Park and had a speedway. Hershey owned Lake Compounce and had an amphitheater (where the record skipped for Milli Vanilli).
Foxwoods was exclusively a bingo hall.
When the area around Buckland Hills Mall was just a JC Penney warehouse and farm land
When my street didn't have cable, and when we did, there was 36 channels and no remote for the cable box.
Video arcades all over the place, Atari, and Chuck E Cheese was mostly video games along with the animatronic shows.
Service Merchandise, Caldor, G Fox, Sage Allen, McCrory/JJ Newberry, Zayre's, Bradlee's, Roy Rogers, Arthur Treachers, and pizza delivery was extremely rare.
When each town had only one Dunkin DONUTS, and each had a counter to sit at and coffee was served in ceramic cups.
Road Related:
I-84 suddenly became I-86 in East Hartford and exit numbers jumped from 58 to 91. Also remember an exit for Forbes St just before the present 384 ramp.
I-84 existed on I-384 and on the US 6 Willimantic bypass
When the exits in Hartford on I-84 East were Capitol Ave (48;no Asylum), High St (49), Ann (no Uccello) St (50, which was directional to the north). Trumbull St (51), Morgan St (52), and I-91 South (no #).
US 44 between Manchester and Ashford was US 44A, and US 44 piggybacked on I-86 and the east end of CT 74
I-691 was CT 66 and ended at current Exit 4. CT 322 east of I-84 was CT 66. The ramp from 84 West to 691 East was the ramp for 66. Eastbound had 2 ramps: present 28 was 27 was for 66 East only, and there was an extremely short ramp about 250 feet later for 322 West.
CT 9 ended at I-91 and CT 72 extended to Middletown, though the expressway ended in Berlin
I-291 was CT 291 and was a Super 2 that ended at US 5
The Charter Oak Bridge had connections to and from I-91 North
The Founders Bridge had connections to and from I-91 South
Having to exit at Morgan St to make the connection from I-84 East to I-91 North
Tolls on I-95 (aka the Connecticut Turnpike) and the parkways, the Bissell, Charter Oak, and Putnam bridges.
The installation of reflective button copy BGS's.
When I-395 was CT/MA 52
Non-Road:
Liquor stores closed at 8 pm and were closed all day Sunday.
We had the Whalers, and the Celtics played 2 home games a year at the Hartford Civic (not XL) Center
The New Haven Coliseum, Naugatuck Valley Mall, a movie theater inside Westfarms Mall
Jai Alai frontons in Hartford, Bridgeport, and Milford. Dog tracks in Plainfield and Bridgeport
Six Flags was Riverside Park and had a speedway. Hershey owned Lake Compounce and had an amphitheater (where the record skipped for Milli Vanilli).
Foxwoods was exclusively a bingo hall.
When the area around Buckland Hills Mall was just a JC Penney warehouse and farm land
When my street didn't have cable, and when we did, there was 36 channels and no remote for the cable box.
Video arcades all over the place, Atari, and Chuck E Cheese was mostly video games along with the animatronic shows.
Service Merchandise, Caldor, G Fox, Sage Allen, McCrory/JJ Newberry, Zayre's, Bradlee's, Roy Rogers, Arthur Treachers, and pizza delivery was extremely rare.
When each town had only one Dunkin DONUTS, and each had a counter to sit at and coffee was served in ceramic cups.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: skluth on February 05, 2022, 06:40:01 PM
Post by: skluth on February 05, 2022, 06:40:01 PM
for Green Bay
Road related -
Road related -
- There were only three bridges across the river; Main St, Walnut St, and Mason St. You were thrilled when you crossed the river without either the bridge opening or getting caught at the rail crossings adjacent to the Fox River.
- Going to Door County meant getting passed frequently by FIBs on two lane Highway 57.
- Breaking up the drive to Madison by stopping in Rosendale for a 25¢ beer instead of being stopped in Rosendale for a speed trap.
- University Avenue was called Willow St
- Driving from Allouez to Ashwaubenon meant driving through Green Bay or De Pere.
- Using Monroe Rd/CTH GV as a nice country road to bicycle or test your cars top speed due to lack of traffic.
- Fording across Duck Creek in your dad's car in Pamperin Park (http://krieser.net/Social_Gatherings.html).
- The nearest state college was in Oshkosh
- Not being able to watch the NFL Championship because the NFL didn't televise any games locally even when sold out.
- Kids falling through the East River (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5030773,-87.9907841,223a,35y,39.4t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en) ice every spring.
- Washington Senators farm team playing in Joannes Stadium.
- The tech school was in a New Deal-era building across the street from a brothel on Broadway.
- West and Southwest High Schools playing football games in Lambeau Field.
- Fid's, Green Bay's most distinguished pub. (Pubs were beer-only bars for those 18-21)
- Cars on Morrow with deer carcasses splayed across the hood waiting in line for the glove factory workers to skin their deer in exchange for store credit every November.
- Not being able to swim in the bay at Bay Beach (Oh wait. That's still true.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Big John on February 05, 2022, 07:06:36 PM
Post by: Big John on February 05, 2022, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: skluth link=topic1. That was NFL policy. It took a threat from congress for them to lift the blackout for sold-out games
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[li]Not being able to watch the NFL Championship because the NFL didn't televise any games locally even when sold out.[/li]
[li]Kids falling through the East River (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5030773,-87.9907841,223a,35y,39.4t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en) ice every spring.[/li]
[li]Not being able to swim in the bay at Bay Beach (Oh wait. That's still true.)[/li]
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2. Likely the reason the East River is also known as the Devil River. (Thus, East High's team name of Red Devils)
3. Still true, but there are plans are being made to make it swimmable again.[/list]
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: skluth on February 05, 2022, 07:55:07 PM
Post by: skluth on February 05, 2022, 07:55:07 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 05, 2022, 07:06:36 PM1. I know. My parents were at the Ice Bowl while my brothers and I listened on the radio.Quote from: skluth link=topic1. That was NFL policy. It took a threat from congress for them to lift the blackout for sold-out games
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[li]Not being able to watch the NFL Championship because the NFL didn't televise any games locally even when sold out.[/li]
[li]Kids falling through the East River (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5030773,-87.9907841,223a,35y,39.4t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en) ice every spring.[/li]
[li]Not being able to swim in the bay at Bay Beach (Oh wait. That's still true.)[/li]
[/list]
2. Likely the reason the East River is also known as the Devil River. (Thus, East High's team name of Red Devils)
3. Still true, but there are plans are being made to make it swimmable again.[/list]
2. I went to and graduated from East High School in the early 70's. Kids who lived near Deckner would cross the East River to school as soon as it froze. They'd continue to cross until one unfortunate kid fell through the ice each spring. I'm glad they finally built a pedestrian bridge there before someone died. We used to swim in it, even had a rope swing from a tree, but that was near Greene Isle Park.
3. I'll believe it when it happens. Those plans have been happening since at least the late 80's. One of my buddies back then was telling stories about mutated cormorants on the landfill that's now Bay Beach Island. But they've done a nice job on the riverfront around downtown and I've seen some incredible cleanups elsewhere (My career was in St Louis. Times Beach (https://www.epa.gov/mo/town-flood-and-superfund-looking-back-times-beach-disaster-nearly-40-years-later) was a suburb.) so I'll hope it happens. If they wait ten more years, they can open it 100 years after it closed.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 06, 2022, 01:22:02 AM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 06, 2022, 01:22:02 AM
"Smoking or non?"
3 days rental for new releases, 5 for classics
"Crap, I missed my school in the closure announcements scroll on local TV, now I have to watch it for 10 minutes again until it comes back" and if your school wasn't on it, stare at it for another two or three cycles hoping it would be added eventually - this was especially epic on radio where the morning host had to read hundreds of schools (and distinguish late start vs. totally closed) every so often
The excitement of going to Best Buy/Target on the day the video game you wanted was finally released, before you could just buy digital copies from home.
3 days rental for new releases, 5 for classics
"Crap, I missed my school in the closure announcements scroll on local TV, now I have to watch it for 10 minutes again until it comes back" and if your school wasn't on it, stare at it for another two or three cycles hoping it would be added eventually - this was especially epic on radio where the morning host had to read hundreds of schools (and distinguish late start vs. totally closed) every so often
The excitement of going to Best Buy/Target on the day the video game you wanted was finally released, before you could just buy digital copies from home.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on February 06, 2022, 02:31:51 AM
Post by: kkt on February 06, 2022, 02:31:51 AM
Toys R Us
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on February 06, 2022, 03:33:42 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 06, 2022, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 06, 2022, 01:22:02 AM
"Crap, I missed my school in the closure announcements scroll on local TV, now I have to watch it for 10 minutes again until it comes back" and if your school wasn't on it, stare at it for another two or three cycles hoping it would be added eventually - this was especially epic on radio where the morning host had to read hundreds of schools (and distinguish late start vs. totally closed) every so often
This was particularly agonizing for me because a lot of the time the scrolls would start over at A every time they went to commercial and I went to a W school.
And then the reluctance to give up and start getting ready to go...what if they add it while I'm packing up my bag and putting on my coat, or right after I leave, or they added it during the last commercial, or...
And then the irritation when every other school in your county is listed but your superintendent apparently has something to prove to someone you don't know and decides to keep your school open.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 06, 2022, 01:22:02 AM
The excitement of going to Best Buy/Target on the day the video game you wanted was finally released, before you could just buy digital copies from home.
And the agony of finding out they sold out before you got there.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: US71 on February 06, 2022, 03:42:11 PM
Post by: US71 on February 06, 2022, 03:42:11 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 06, 2022, 01:22:02 AM
"Smoking or non?"
My experience has been a lot of people will smoke anyway. If they are charged a cleaning fee, they will fight it.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 06, 2022, 04:16:32 PM
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 06, 2022, 04:16:32 PM
Buttrey's and Tidyman's, both former grocery stores in Missoula years ago. Now all of the ex-Buttrey's stores are Albertsons owned in MT. The ex-Tidyman's location then turned into a Staples/Hastings lot, and now that location is a food service/family fun house lot.
There was a Montana Army National Guard armory in Missoula before it was closed down. If you go in there today, it's the current Goodwill store and you'd have no idea that was formerly the NatGuard armory. It was this location on South Reserve that had a model tank in front of it. The tank still exists, but has since been moved to the Fort Missoula museum.
The Cine3 theatre was located on Brooks Street years ago. However, low attendance left the former lot in disrepair rendering it obsolete.
A corner gas station on Orange and Broadway used to exist. One of Chris Kalina's photos shows evidence of that lot. It's now the site of City Brew, a coffee expresso, a CPA office and the UPS Store.
Crazy Mike's Video - a former video rental store in Missoula that felt the brunt of a shrinking economy and the commanding presence of Hulu and Redbox. I've only purchased two or three DVD's from the former Eastgate Center location on East Broadway. When it closed for good, Albertsons management had a bright ass idea to overtake the former site by removing the retaining walls so to expand the walk-in cooler, move the pharmacy and create a Starbucks expresso.
There are a couple of businesses at Holiday Village on Brooks and Stephens that I can sort of remember going to, but can't quite pinpoint if that was an independent grocer or one owned by the big box grocers. I think the gym that sits there today used to be Albertsons or something else. I can say it was a Smith's because my dad was a janitor there.
Of course, the South Crossing lot near Reserve and 39th is where the dead K-Mart used to be.
The old Safeway lot on Broadway has been long dead since it was shifted further west past the railroad tracks. It's currently a patient lot for Providence St. Patrick Hospital. There were talks of converting the area into a new office area and a sky bridge to connect it to the main PSPH campus. Since then, nothing has come up.
Finally, there's the dead Liberty Lanes lot. I've only gone to that bowling alley about three times before it was torn down and converted into an apartment complex. The dead Intermountain Lumber site on Russell is now an apartment complex with sports gym and sandwich bar.
There was a Montana Army National Guard armory in Missoula before it was closed down. If you go in there today, it's the current Goodwill store and you'd have no idea that was formerly the NatGuard armory. It was this location on South Reserve that had a model tank in front of it. The tank still exists, but has since been moved to the Fort Missoula museum.
The Cine3 theatre was located on Brooks Street years ago. However, low attendance left the former lot in disrepair rendering it obsolete.
A corner gas station on Orange and Broadway used to exist. One of Chris Kalina's photos shows evidence of that lot. It's now the site of City Brew, a coffee expresso, a CPA office and the UPS Store.
Crazy Mike's Video - a former video rental store in Missoula that felt the brunt of a shrinking economy and the commanding presence of Hulu and Redbox. I've only purchased two or three DVD's from the former Eastgate Center location on East Broadway. When it closed for good, Albertsons management had a bright ass idea to overtake the former site by removing the retaining walls so to expand the walk-in cooler, move the pharmacy and create a Starbucks expresso.
There are a couple of businesses at Holiday Village on Brooks and Stephens that I can sort of remember going to, but can't quite pinpoint if that was an independent grocer or one owned by the big box grocers. I think the gym that sits there today used to be Albertsons or something else. I can say it was a Smith's because my dad was a janitor there.
Of course, the South Crossing lot near Reserve and 39th is where the dead K-Mart used to be.
The old Safeway lot on Broadway has been long dead since it was shifted further west past the railroad tracks. It's currently a patient lot for Providence St. Patrick Hospital. There were talks of converting the area into a new office area and a sky bridge to connect it to the main PSPH campus. Since then, nothing has come up.
Finally, there's the dead Liberty Lanes lot. I've only gone to that bowling alley about three times before it was torn down and converted into an apartment complex. The dead Intermountain Lumber site on Russell is now an apartment complex with sports gym and sandwich bar.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Takumi on February 06, 2022, 06:10:15 PM
Post by: Takumi on February 06, 2022, 06:10:15 PM
Thalhimers, a Richmond-based department store chain. Absorbed by Hechts in the early 1990s. The few left are now Macys.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on February 07, 2022, 08:12:14 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 07, 2022, 08:12:14 AM
Quote from: Takumi on February 06, 2022, 06:10:15 PM
Thalhimers, a Richmond-based department store chain. Absorbed by Hechts in the early 1990s. The few left are now Macys.
Your comment prompts me to remember the Washington Shopping Plate (sample image below, although the earliest cards issued in the 1950s looked like a metal dog tag), an early credit card (no magnetic stripe; the picture below is of the front–the card number and user's name appeared below the signature block and the back listed the stores that accepted the card) issued by a group of retailers in the DC area that could be used at any of their stores–Hecht's, Jelleff's, Raleigh's, Woodward & Lothrop, Garfinckel's, Kann's, and Lansburgh's are the ones I remember, though there may have been others. As those stores gradually went out of business, the card became less and less useful; it eventually became useless after Hecht's became Macy's in 2005 or so. My father had one and insisted on using it at Hecht's right up to the end, which caused my mother no end of annoyance because none of the younger employees knew what it was. They were convinced it was fake and my father would tell them to call a supervisor; usually the supervisor would not know how to process it but would say something along the lines of knowing which employee would know, and invariably the employee who was summoned would be an older lady in her 60s who was the only employee to have seen that card.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBrmC6u1HADEuI_LQ38gSzY9dl_8H9hF1I4nNCIlTgbzOOcHdQrMSpLvyr7IFOy_4cJ1E&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on February 07, 2022, 08:23:11 AM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on February 07, 2022, 08:23:11 AM
... the old, dense pre-1973 French National Road network being in place.
(I obviously don't, as I was born 20 years after what I call the "First Purge", I'm currently putting it back together on a road atlas)
(I obviously don't, as I was born 20 years after what I call the "First Purge", I'm currently putting it back together on a road atlas)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 07, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 07, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
...when we got Texaco, Gulf gas stations across Canada and Dominion supermarkets in Quebec.
(https://i.cbc.ca/1.1624219.1379068955!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/nl-dominion-old-1960s.jpg)
...when my dad do groceries to Steinberg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eChW1mHOP0
...when René-Lévesque Blvd in Quebec city was known as St-Cyrille Blvd.
...when A-55 was a super-2 north of Sherbrooke ended for a while at Windsor.
(https://i.cbc.ca/1.1624219.1379068955!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/nl-dominion-old-1960s.jpg)
...when my dad do groceries to Steinberg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eChW1mHOP0
...when René-Lévesque Blvd in Quebec city was known as St-Cyrille Blvd.
...when A-55 was a super-2 north of Sherbrooke ended for a while at Windsor.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: GCrites on February 07, 2022, 12:25:24 PM
Post by: GCrites on February 07, 2022, 12:25:24 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 07, 2022, 08:23:11 AM
... the old, dense pre-1973 French National Road network being in place.
(I obviously don't, as I was born 20 years after what I call the "First Purge", I'm currently putting it back together on a road atlas)
Tell us more about this. It's probably thread-worthy.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: SkyPesos on February 07, 2022, 12:46:14 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on February 07, 2022, 12:46:14 PM
Borders bookstores
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: US71 on February 11, 2022, 08:37:23 PM
Post by: US71 on February 11, 2022, 08:37:23 PM
Sandy's (Come as you are) Hamburgers -- Bought out by Hardees
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: LilianaUwU on February 12, 2022, 07:14:04 PM
Post by: LilianaUwU on February 12, 2022, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 07, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
...when René-Lévesque Blvd in Quebec city was known as St-Cyrille Blvd.
One might also remember Rue Principale in Normandin being called Saint-Cyrille.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: US71 on February 12, 2022, 07:15:26 PM
Post by: US71 on February 12, 2022, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 12, 2022, 07:14:04 PMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on February 07, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
...when René-Lévesque Blvd in Quebec city was known as St-Cyrille Blvd.
One might also remember Rue Principale in Normandin being called Saint-Cyrille.
Istanbul was Constantinople
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kurumi on February 12, 2022, 07:40:30 PM
Post by: kurumi on February 12, 2022, 07:40:30 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 12, 2022, 07:15:26 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 12, 2022, 07:14:04 PMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on February 07, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
...when René-Lévesque Blvd in Quebec city was known as St-Cyrille Blvd.
One might also remember Rue Principale in Normandin being called Saint-Cyrille.
Istanbul was Constantinople
Why did that city get the works?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: MATraveler128 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PM
Post by: MATraveler128 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PM
I was born in 2002. I’m now 20. So my memories are all from the 2000s. Here’s my list.
Kid Pix, I remember playing that game in 3rd grade computer class
Blockbuster Video (screw Netflix) :biggrin:
The tube TV on the cart that the teacher would bring out and play educational movies on.
Scholastic Book Fair, they always encouraged you to buy an actual book, but you’d blow all your money on toys.
Those rugs that had a pretend city on it (I used to have one back in the day.)
Windows XP
Silly Bandz, why were these so popular?
Club Penguin, this was Fortnite of its era.
That’s it.
Kid Pix, I remember playing that game in 3rd grade computer class
Blockbuster Video (screw Netflix) :biggrin:
The tube TV on the cart that the teacher would bring out and play educational movies on.
Scholastic Book Fair, they always encouraged you to buy an actual book, but you’d blow all your money on toys.
Those rugs that had a pretend city on it (I used to have one back in the day.)
Windows XP
Silly Bandz, why were these so popular?
Club Penguin, this was Fortnite of its era.
That’s it.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on February 12, 2022, 08:02:34 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 12, 2022, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: kurumi on February 12, 2022, 07:40:30 PMNobody's business.Quote from: US71 on February 12, 2022, 07:15:26 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 12, 2022, 07:14:04 PMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on February 07, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
...when René-Lévesque Blvd in Quebec city was known as St-Cyrille Blvd.
One might also remember Rue Principale in Normandin being called Saint-Cyrille.
Istanbul was Constantinople
Why did that city get the works?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on February 12, 2022, 08:03:15 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 12, 2022, 08:03:15 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PMAll recent history. You're still a kid.
I was born in 2002. I'm now 20. So my memories are all from the 2000s. Here's my list.
Kid Pix, I remember playing that game in 3rd grade computer class
Blockbuster Video (screw Netflix)
The tube TV on the cart that the teacher would bring out and play educational movies on.
Scholastic Book Fair, they always encouraged you to buy an actual book, but you'd blow all your money on toys.
Those rugs that had a pretend city on it (I used to have one back in the day.)
Windows XP
Silly Bandz, why were these so popular?
Club Penguin, this was Fortnite of its era.
That's it.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: US71 on February 12, 2022, 08:54:44 PM
Post by: US71 on February 12, 2022, 08:54:44 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 12, 2022, 08:02:34 PMQuote from: kurumi on February 12, 2022, 07:40:30 PMNobody's business.Quote from: US71 on February 12, 2022, 07:15:26 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 12, 2022, 07:14:04 PMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on February 07, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
...when René-Lévesque Blvd in Quebec city was known as St-Cyrille Blvd.
One might also remember Rue Principale in Normandin being called Saint-Cyrille.
Istanbul was Constantinople
Why did that city get the works?
Nobody's business but the Turks.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hbelkins on February 12, 2022, 09:07:08 PM
Post by: hbelkins on February 12, 2022, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 12, 2022, 07:15:26 PM
Istanbul was Constantinople
Kyiv was Kiev. (seems topical today)
Zimbabwe was Rhodesia.
Rocky Top was Lake City.
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Post by: SkyPesos on February 12, 2022, 09:11:31 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on February 12, 2022, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PMI always bought a book, since they toys seem cheap in quality and not something I would exactly want.
Scholastic Book Fair, they always encouraged you to buy an actual book, but you’d blow all your money on toys.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PMMy middle school still had Windows XP computers when I was there.
Windows XP
Quote from: US71 on February 12, 2022, 07:15:26 PMTokyo was Edo
Istanbul was Constantinople
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Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 12, 2022, 09:13:49 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 12, 2022, 09:13:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 12, 2022, 09:07:08 PMQuote from: US71 on February 12, 2022, 07:15:26 PM
Istanbul was Constantinople
Kyiv was Kiev. (seems topical today)
Kiev is the Russian transliteration, while the former is the Ukrainian transliteration. Ukraine's government campaigned for years after the fall of the USSR to get English-language sources to stop using Kiev with fairly limited success, but in response to Russia's takeover of Crimea in 2014 and ensuing Russian-blacked separatist activities in Ukraine, English-language media then very rapidly ditched Kiev.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: MATraveler128 on February 12, 2022, 09:14:46 PM
Post by: MATraveler128 on February 12, 2022, 09:14:46 PM
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can’t say, people just liked it better that way.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kevinb1994 on February 12, 2022, 09:29:46 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on February 12, 2022, 09:29:46 PM
Lake City in Florida was once known as Alligator. You can guess where the UF got their nickname.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on February 12, 2022, 09:46:30 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 12, 2022, 09:46:30 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 12, 2022, 09:11:31 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PMMy middle school still had Windows XP computers when I was there.
Windows XP
Hell, at the casino we were still running Windows XP on the OTB totalizators in...2020.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: tolbs17 on February 12, 2022, 10:06:59 PM
Post by: tolbs17 on February 12, 2022, 10:06:59 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 12, 2022, 09:11:31 PMWhen I was at JH Rose High School back in 2020, many computers there are still running Windows XP.Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PMI always bought a book, since they toys seem cheap in quality and not something I would exactly want.
Scholastic Book Fair, they always encouraged you to buy an actual book, but you'd blow all your money on toys.Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PMMy middle school still had Windows XP computers when I was there.
Windows XP
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: US 89 on February 13, 2022, 12:51:12 AM
Post by: US 89 on February 13, 2022, 12:51:12 AM
A shocking amount of important or critical computing infrastructure still runs Windows XP.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: LilianaUwU on February 13, 2022, 01:28:54 AM
Post by: LilianaUwU on February 13, 2022, 01:28:54 AM
Quote from: US 89 on February 13, 2022, 12:51:12 AM
A shocking amount of important or critical computing infrastructure still runs Windows XP.
I mean, if it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on February 13, 2022, 01:31:36 AM
Post by: kkt on February 13, 2022, 01:31:36 AM
Quote from: US71 on February 12, 2022, 08:54:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on February 12, 2022, 08:02:34 PMQuote from: kurumi on February 12, 2022, 07:40:30 PMNobody's business.Quote from: US71 on February 12, 2022, 07:15:26 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 12, 2022, 07:14:04 PMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on February 07, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
...when René-Lévesque Blvd in Quebec city was known as St-Cyrille Blvd.
One might also remember Rue Principale in Normandin being called Saint-Cyrille.
Istanbul was Constantinople
Why did that city get the works?
Nobody's business but the Turks.
Constantinople commemorates the Roman Emperor Constantine, who converted the Roman Empire to Christianity. Since the Turks conquered Constantinople in 1453, the Roman Empire was ancient history and the Turks were not Christian so they didn't particularly care to commemorate a person known for either.
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Post by: Scott5114 on February 13, 2022, 02:12:10 AM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 13, 2022, 02:12:10 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 13, 2022, 01:28:54 AMQuote from: US 89 on February 13, 2022, 12:51:12 AM
A shocking amount of important or critical computing infrastructure still runs Windows XP.
I mean, if it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Well, the casino's philosophy was "if it is broken, still don't fix it, because that costs too much." We had to have Sportech come out to work on those ancient totes every other week or so, and the amount of time we were running at 50% capacity because one had ceased functioning was ludicrous. Some of them had entered service before some of our cashiers had graduated middle school.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on February 13, 2022, 08:38:40 AM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on February 13, 2022, 08:38:40 AM
I actually entered Karl Marx Stadt into that name as many cities as you can game because I couldn't remember "Chemnitz" :sombrero:. And they had already reverted to the latter by the time I was born.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: MATraveler128 on February 13, 2022, 08:41:32 AM
Post by: MATraveler128 on February 13, 2022, 08:41:32 AM
Quote from: US 89 on February 13, 2022, 12:51:12 AM
A shocking amount of important or critical computing infrastructure still runs Windows XP.
I had no idea that it was still around in 2022. In high school and college, we have Windows 10, so we’ve been spoiled by that software. But I do remember the old startup sound and the old background with the hill. Now that I think about it, my local library might still use it.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 08:58:45 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PM
...
Blockbuster Video (screw Netflix) :biggrin:
...
Windows XP
...
I remember when Blockbuster opened around here they were initially very unpopular. The big local chain was Erol's, which dominated the market, and people were reluctant to change. But Blockbuster were a bigger corporation with more resources and eventually saturated the market and drove Erol's out of business.
Regarding Windows XP, that's newfangled. Maybe we should have a thread on which version of DOS everyone liked best. (The first PC my parents got ran IBM PC-DOS 3.30 and WordPerfect 4.2.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: english si on February 13, 2022, 09:08:19 AM
Post by: english si on February 13, 2022, 09:08:19 AM
Quote from: kkt on February 13, 2022, 01:31:36 AMConstantinople commemorates the Roman Emperor ConstantineIs commemorate the right word for a founder of a city naming it after itself?
It's not a Washington, or Pennsylvania, situation where its named after someone dead in honour of them. It wasn't even a Victoria, named in honour of someone living. Rather it was an Alexandria - named by a conqueror after himself because of his massive ego.
Quotewho converted the Roman Empire to Christianity.Nope, just made a declaration with his fellow emperor (both he and the other junior sub-emperors had just defeated their respective more-senior 'Augusti') that Christianity would be tolerated. Two years after the most senior emperor of the time had already done that...
The Empire stayed officially Pagan for nearly 70 years after the Edict of Milan - which was a very minor thing that became shorthand for the shift in the Roman State over the 75 years between Diocletian's death and Christianity becoming the official state religion.
Sure Constantine's claims to be Christian made it cool among the elites to be a Christian, but that was significantly undone by his being a heretical Arian, his successor also being and basically outlawing Nicean Christianity (rather than, like Constantine, just exiling key bishops for trying to uphold the decisions made in front of Constantine himself at Nicea), and then Julian the Apostate trying to make Paganism cool again.
QuoteSince the Turks conquered Constantinople in 1453, the Roman Empire was ancient historyErr the day Constantinople fell was the day the Roman Empire went. It wasn't ancient history, but literal breaking news, that the Roman Empire fell and Constantinople changed.
We only think it ancient history because western scholars call the Greek-speaking parts of the Roman Empire (post-fall of the Latin-speaking parts) "the Byzantine Empire" (after the small city near where Constantine had built his new capital) to make clear that those who called themselves 'Ῥωμαῖοι' (Romanoi), and were called by the Arabs and Turks as 'Roum' or 'Rum', were not part of the western notions of Rome.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 13, 2022, 12:05:08 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 13, 2022, 12:05:08 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 12, 2022, 09:29:46 PM
Lake City in Florida was once known as Alligator. You can guess where the UF got their nickname.
Would love to see the BGS's on I 95 for I-10:
I-10 WEST Alligator
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: J N Winkler on February 13, 2022, 01:40:01 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on February 13, 2022, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 13, 2022, 01:31:36 AMConstantinople commemorates the Roman Emperor Constantine, who converted the Roman Empire to Christianity. Since the Turks conquered Constantinople in 1453, the Roman Empire was ancient history and the Turks were not Christian so they didn't particularly care to commemorate a person known for either.
It turns out Wikipedia has a whole article on names for Istanbul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Istanbul). The Ottomans actually used Constantinople (as Kostantiniyye) as one of their official names for their capital--it was actually the modern Turkish republic that decreed in 1930 that Istanbul, itself a Turkicization of a demotic Greek phrase meaning "to the city," would thereafter be the sole officially recognized name.
Quote from: US 89 on February 13, 2022, 12:51:12 AMA shocking amount of important or critical computing infrastructure still runs Windows XP.
This makes me nervous, especially when many of those systems are still vulnerable to exploits (like EternalBlue) that were patched long ago. It's one thing to keep on using an old XP machine for occasional chores like scanning (as I do) and another to have it as a way in for a geopolitical opponent to prepare the battlefield by turning off the lights here.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Dirt Roads on February 13, 2022, 01:50:06 PM
Post by: Dirt Roads on February 13, 2022, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 08:58:45 AM
Regarding Windows XP, that's newfangled. Maybe we should have a thread on which version of DOS everyone liked best. (The first PC my parents got ran IBM PC-DOS 3.30 and WordPerfect 4.2.)
Wordperfect 4.2 was so good that many of my colleagues refused to move up to Windows 3.0. Sadly, I've forgotten all of the quick-keys for the DOS versions of WordPerfect.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on February 13, 2022, 01:59:05 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 13, 2022, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 13, 2022, 01:50:06 PMI liked the cheat strips you could stick at the top of your keyboard.Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 08:58:45 AM
Regarding Windows XP, that's newfangled. Maybe we should have a thread on which version of DOS everyone liked best. (The first PC my parents got ran IBM PC-DOS 3.30 and WordPerfect 4.2.)
Wordperfect 4.2 was so good that many of my colleagues refused to move up to Windows 3.0. Sadly, I've forgotten all of the quick-keys for the DOS versions of WordPerfect.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on February 13, 2022, 02:00:39 PM
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on February 13, 2022, 02:00:39 PM
road related:
CO 68 and 28 (68 got de-whatevered and is now just harmony road. 28 also was de-whatevered, and is now just larimer co rd 52E)
being able to see where the us-87 signs used to be on i-25.
speed limit 55
the mousetrap in denver
non-road:
rotary phones
party lines (existed here until 1992)
businesses actually answered the phone instead of 'press 1...'
long distance from fort collins to loveland
writing checks
CO 68 and 28 (68 got de-whatevered and is now just harmony road. 28 also was de-whatevered, and is now just larimer co rd 52E)
being able to see where the us-87 signs used to be on i-25.
speed limit 55
the mousetrap in denver
non-road:
rotary phones
party lines (existed here until 1992)
businesses actually answered the phone instead of 'press 1...'
long distance from fort collins to loveland
writing checks
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: cwf1701 on February 13, 2022, 04:32:51 PM
Post by: cwf1701 on February 13, 2022, 04:32:51 PM
Road releated:
Gratiot signed as US-25
seeing a forgotten white US-431 on Forrest Ave.
non road
Dialing 7 digits to call south of 8 mile or into Oakland county from 9 Mile in Macomb county
Computers such as the Commodore Pet and the TRS-80 (aka the Trash 80)
Gratiot signed as US-25
seeing a forgotten white US-431 on Forrest Ave.
non road
Dialing 7 digits to call south of 8 mile or into Oakland county from 9 Mile in Macomb county
Computers such as the Commodore Pet and the TRS-80 (aka the Trash 80)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2022, 05:17:00 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2022, 05:17:00 PM
Quote from: cwf1701 on February 13, 2022, 04:32:51 PM
Road releated:
Gratiot signed as US-25
seeing a forgotten white US-431 on Forrest Ave.
non road
Dialing 7 digits to call south of 8 mile or into Oakland county from 9 Mile in Macomb county
Computers such as the Commodore Pet and the TRS-80 (aka the Trash 80)
Considering the rotary phone worked just fine at my Grand Parents house in Redford Township that makes me old by your definition. I certainly don't remember US 25 on Gratiot though, that's a little past my lifetime..
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 05:29:09 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 05:29:09 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 13, 2022, 01:50:06 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 08:58:45 AM
Regarding Windows XP, that's newfangled. Maybe we should have a thread on which version of DOS everyone liked best. (The first PC my parents got ran IBM PC-DOS 3.30 and WordPerfect 4.2.)
Wordperfect 4.2 was so good that many of my colleagues refused to move up to Windows 3.0. Sadly, I've forgotten all of the quick-keys for the DOS versions of WordPerfect.
I thought WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS was excellent and perhaps their best DOS version. We published the Duke Law Journal using WP 5.1 for DOS. If you knew how to manipulate the hidden codes, you could do almost anything, and the software seldom crashed (not "never," but seldom). Where WP 4.2 was weak was in how it justified text. It wasn't quite sophisticated enough to space the words evenly and you'd get two spaces between some words and one space between others, all on the same line. That was a good reason not to use justification then. (I know some people still object to it. I use it, and I also use automatic hyphenation, augmented by my inserting optional hyphens and non-breaking hyphens as needed. The hyphenation reduces the white space effect to which some people object.)
I've forgotten most of the WP keystrokes as well. I know Shift-F7 was Print and I think Alt-F4 was Block (that is, highlighting a block of text).
As I think back, it occurs to me that manipulating WP's hidden codes was very similar to manipulating this forum's codes, or to a rudimentary version of HTML. Boldfaced text, for example, was denoted in the hidden codes with a "b" set in brackets at the start and a "/b" in brackets at the end. Sound familiar?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: J N Winkler on February 13, 2022, 05:39:53 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on February 13, 2022, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 05:29:09 PMAs I think back, it occurs to me that manipulating WP's hidden codes was very similar to manipulating this forum's codes, or to a rudimentary version of HTML. Boldfaced text, for example, was denoted in the hidden codes with a "b" set in brackets at the start and a "/b" in brackets at the end. Sound familiar?
It's called explicit markup. HTML, bbCode/MyCode (as on this forum), XML, TeX/LaTeX, what you see when you hit Reveal Codes in WordPerfect--all of those are examples of it.
I personally use LaTeX for large projects not only because it has explicit markup, but also because the source files are plain text and thus both more portable and more amenable to low-level manipulation using string replacement tools.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on February 13, 2022, 06:10:36 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 13, 2022, 06:10:36 PM
The modern consensus implementation of explicit markup is called Markdown, a subset of which can be used to enter basic formatting on desktop Facebook Messenger, all versions of Discord, and Reddit, among others. The full set of Markdown symbols is much broader and is comparable to what can be achieved with base HTML with no stylesheet. Markdown syntax is designed to be short, as well, with most code invocations only one or two characters long, and with no explicit close character. (For example, a range of text to be italicized has _underscores_ on each end, while bold text has **two asterisks**.) Anyone with experience editing a wiki will find it instantly familiar. Converters to translate Markdown files to formats like PDF and HTML abound.
Markdown is not as powerful as TeX/LaTeX, but I have always found LaTeX to be needlessly fiddly, and the toolchain required to generate a nice-looking document in it to be too complex despite using the platform that features the best support for it. Thus I have never really delved into it much further than surface-level kicking of the tires.
Markdown is not as powerful as TeX/LaTeX, but I have always found LaTeX to be needlessly fiddly, and the toolchain required to generate a nice-looking document in it to be too complex despite using the platform that features the best support for it. Thus I have never really delved into it much further than surface-level kicking of the tires.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hotdogPi on February 13, 2022, 06:14:32 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on February 13, 2022, 06:14:32 PM
I've encountered situations where Markdown-type formatting results in false positives, such as a Python course in edX where __init__ would look like init in the discussion boards.
MediaWiki, which almost all wikis use, has a completely different formatting system from Markdown.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2022, 06:10:36 PM
Anyone with experience editing a wiki will find it instantly familiar.
MediaWiki, which almost all wikis use, has a completely different formatting system from Markdown.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Dirt Roads on February 13, 2022, 06:28:55 PM
Post by: Dirt Roads on February 13, 2022, 06:28:55 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 08:58:45 AM
Regarding Windows XP, that's newfangled. Maybe we should have a thread on which version of DOS everyone liked best. (The first PC my parents got ran IBM PC-DOS 3.30 and WordPerfect 4.2.)
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 13, 2022, 01:50:06 PM
Wordperfect 4.2 was so good that many of my colleagues refused to move up to Windows 3.0. Sadly, I've forgotten all of the quick-keys for the DOS versions of WordPerfect.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 05:29:09 PM
I thought WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS was excellent and perhaps their best DOS version. We published the Duke Law Journal using WP 5.1 for DOS. If you knew how to manipulate the hidden codes, you could do almost anything, and the software seldom crashed (not "never," but seldom). Where WP 4.2 was weak was in how it justified text. It wasn't quite sophisticated enough to space the words evenly and you'd get two spaces between some words and one space between others, all on the same line. That was a good reason not to use justification then. (I know some people still object to it. I use it, and I also use automatic hyphenation, augmented by my inserting optional hyphens and non-breaking hyphens as needed. The hyphenation reduces the white space effect to which some people object.)
Indeed. I migrated from WP4.2 to WP5.1 at that time, but most of our computer users couldn't keep WordPerfect running on Windows 3 with the older [first generation] 386 machines. WordPerfect was much more stable under Windows 3.1 (wasn't everything?). But we switched over to Microsoft Word because Lotus 1-2-3 for Windows couldn't hold a candle to Microsoft Excel (and the Microsoft bundle was much cheaper). Even then, our older secretaries never did switch to Windows and kept using WP4.2. As soon as finished a full-time project out-of-state, I was tagged as the local System Manager (in addition to my career) because I could switch back-and-forth between DOS and Windows. We were using [choke] Lantastic.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 05:29:09 PM
I've forgotten most of the WP keystrokes as well. I know Shift-F7 was Print and I think Alt-F4 was Block (that is, highlighting a block of text).
As I think back, it occurs to me that manipulating WP's hidden codes was very similar to manipulating this forum's codes, or to a rudimentary version of HTML. Boldfaced text, for example, was denoted in the hidden codes with a "b" set in brackets at the start and a "/b" in brackets at the end. Sound familiar?
Quite familiar. I still have a copy of WordPerfect floating around for this very reason. If you ever get the hidden codes entangled in Microsoft Word, you are doomed to an eternity in formatting hell. Pull up that same file in WordPerfect, hit Reveal Codes and you can get back in business. (Oftentimes, WP will correct the order of the hidden codes automatically). I also use WP for printing out stacks of labels. Unfortunately, I can't remember which of the old computers has WP installed.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on February 13, 2022, 06:34:28 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 13, 2022, 06:34:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 13, 2022, 06:14:32 PM
I've encountered situations where Markdown-type formatting results in false positives, such as a Python course in edX where __init__ would look like init in the discussion boards.Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2022, 06:10:36 PM
Anyone with experience editing a wiki will find it instantly familiar.
MediaWiki, which almost all wikis use, has a completely different formatting system from Markdown.
I meant more that the concept of paired symbols surrounding text affecting its formatting would be familiar, not the symbols themselves. Actually, if you wanted an example of how not* to make a markup language of this style, MediaWiki would be a decent starting point; apostrophes are horribly overloaded, as are curly braces and square brackets.
Any markup language of this style will inevitably suffer from conflicts when displaying text that contains the symbols it relies on for markup. Markdown is probably the best that can be achieved in this arena, as it tends to confine itself to punctuation characters that don't see a lot of use in typical prose (unlike apostrophes or square brackets), yet are still easily input with a standard keyboard. In Markdown, triple backticks (```) can at least be used to mark a section of text as code, which disables interpretation of the text for formatting between there and the next set of triple backticks. Most of the time, it also is displayed in monospace font, which may or may not be desirable.
*(I just tried to type _not_ here, I have so thoroughly internalized Markdown at this point.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on February 13, 2022, 09:18:26 PM
Post by: kkt on February 13, 2022, 09:18:26 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on February 13, 2022, 02:00:39 PM
non-road:
rotary phones
party lines (existed here until 1992)
writing checks
I still have a rotary phone. Made in the 1950s or early 1960s, and still works just fine, which is more than I can say for POS cell phones that are as fragile as eggshells and designed to die inside of 5 years.
I remember party lines and as a little kid learning to use the phone and I'm sure I drove our poor neighbor on the same party line crazy until I got it right.
There are still some places that prefer (or insist upon) checks. Credit or debit payments impose service charges on them, while checks get them the amount it says on the check. There's a utility that I don't totally trust to take out the correct monthly payment each month without messing up, so I send them checks. There's property tax, which will accept credit card payments but passes the service charge on to the taxpayer, so I send them checks.
I don't have either a PET or a Trash 80 but I remember them. Not with complete fondness, but I remember them. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "such as" though.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on February 14, 2022, 12:44:42 AM
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on February 14, 2022, 12:44:42 AM
Quote from: cwf1701 on February 13, 2022, 04:32:51 PM
Computers such as the Commodore Pet and the TRS-80 (aka the Trash 80)
i have a model 4p in the garage that still works.
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Post by: cwf1701 on February 14, 2022, 01:30:06 PM
Post by: cwf1701 on February 14, 2022, 01:30:06 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2022, 05:17:00 PM
I certainly don't remember US 25 on Gratiot though, that's a little past my lifetime..
I remember when i saw the first M-3 signs on Gratiot, that was late in 1973. I also remember seeing a JCT. M-29 on the Detroit side of 8 Mile as late as 1972-73.
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Post by: Dirt Roads on February 14, 2022, 06:08:09 PM
Post by: Dirt Roads on February 14, 2022, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 13, 2022, 09:18:26 PM
I don't have either a PET or a Trash 80 but I remember them. Not with complete fondness, but I remember them. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "such as" though.
I had a TRS-80 equipped with a modem and a cassette tape drive. I'm pretty sure that I was the only person in my dormitory that could login to the university mainframes for my first two years. Afterwards, all engineering students had to buy a Peanut (which could also be equipped with a modem). I wasn't an engineering student, so I didn't need one (but I got stuck trying to fix the other folks' "keyboards").
See if this brings back some memories for anybody. Someone in my dorm had a copy of StarTraders written in Basic, and asked me to modify the software to be more realistic about galaxy patterns and related travel times across the Milky Way. I didn't write down any of it, and lost the code once my TRS-80 went belly up.
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Post by: 1995hoo on February 14, 2022, 06:52:57 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 14, 2022, 06:52:57 PM
This thread is making me recall how I came up with a WordPerfect template for the card you put in a cassette tape case listing the tracks on both sides. It was set up so you folded it on the dotted lines to have the track listing on the "cover art" side, the title on the spine, and technical details (which noise reduction, etc.) on the other side. Then I had to rejigger it when I got a new printer during college.
I'll have to take a picture later (I'm cooking dinner as I type this). I have a ton of cassette tapes downstairs (and a Denon cassette deck that doesn't get much use).
I'll have to take a picture later (I'm cooking dinner as I type this). I have a ton of cassette tapes downstairs (and a Denon cassette deck that doesn't get much use).
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Post by: kkt on February 14, 2022, 07:25:51 PM
Post by: kkt on February 14, 2022, 07:25:51 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 14, 2022, 06:08:09 PMQuote from: kkt on February 13, 2022, 09:18:26 PM
I don't have either a PET or a Trash 80 but I remember them. Not with complete fondness, but I remember them. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "such as" though.
I had a TRS-80 equipped with a modem and a cassette tape drive. I'm pretty sure that I was the only person in my dormitory that could login to the university mainframes for my first two years. Afterwards, all engineering students had to buy a Peanut (which could also be equipped with a modem). I wasn't an engineering student, so I didn't need one (but I got stuck trying to fix the other folks' "keyboards").
See if this brings back some memories for anybody. Someone in my dorm had a copy of StarTraders written in Basic, and asked me to modify the software to be more realistic about galaxy patterns and related travel times across the Milky Way. I didn't write down any of it, and lost the code once my TRS-80 went belly up.
I had a Zenith Z19 terminal and a modem that allowed me to log on to the university's computers. I couldn't afford a computer that would be powerful enough to do much of anything, but the college's computers were, well, adequate. Slow especially when the intro class had assignments due the next day, and disk allocations that required the utmost discipline to stay within. (Keep earlier drafts? No way. Print them out to refer to and type them back in if it turns out they were better!)
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Post by: kurumi on February 14, 2022, 08:40:32 PM
Post by: kurumi on February 14, 2022, 08:40:32 PM
The TRS-80 Model III had katakana characters, which seemed really random for a 1980s US computer. They were low-res (sample here: https://www.trs-80.com/wordpress/zaps-patches-pokes-tips/graphics/) and when I was a wee lad I used them for Space Invaders characters.
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Post by: hbelkins on February 15, 2022, 08:18:30 PM
Post by: hbelkins on February 15, 2022, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2022, 06:52:57 PM
This thread is making me recall how I came up with a WordPerfect template for the card you put in a cassette tape case listing the tracks on both sides. It was set up so you folded it on the dotted lines to have the track listing on the "cover art" side, the title on the spine, and technical details (which noise reduction, etc.) on the other side. Then I had to rejigger it when I got a new printer during college.
I'll have to take a picture later (I'm cooking dinner as I type this). I have a ton of cassette tapes downstairs (and a Denon cassette deck that doesn't get much use).
I drew a PageMaker template for that same thing back in the late 80s/early 90s, then discovered a Mac shareware app that produced them. Labeled a crapload of 90-minute cassettes (usually one vinyl album or CD per side) in that manner. I didn't have a car CD player at the time so I had to record my music purchases for portability.
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Post by: skluth on February 16, 2022, 06:13:34 PM
Post by: skluth on February 16, 2022, 06:13:34 PM
Gonna really show my age here. I first learned how to program on a Basic remote terminal hooked up via modem to a mainframe 100 miles away. It looked like an old military teletype machine including the tape reader which read paper teletype tape. I'm old enough to remember storing my programs on teletype tape.
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Post by: GaryV on February 16, 2022, 06:30:59 PM
Post by: GaryV on February 16, 2022, 06:30:59 PM
... if you remember what "SneakerWare" was - and maybe participated in it.
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Post by: kkt on February 16, 2022, 08:15:54 PM
Post by: kkt on February 16, 2022, 08:15:54 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 16, 2022, 06:30:59 PM
... if you remember what "SneakerWare" was - and maybe participated in it.
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of floppy disks!"
Quote from: skluth on February 16, 2022, 06:13:34 PM
Gonna really show my age here. I first learned how to program on a Basic remote terminal hooked up via modem to a mainframe 100 miles away. It looked like an old military teletype machine including the tape reader which read paper teletype tape. I'm old enough to remember storing my programs on teletype tape.
We had those teletypes. They were discarded from a local tech company by the time the school got them. Acoustic couple model to the HP 2000 just a few miles away, at 300 baud - to modern readers, that means slower than you could probably type.
One of them had a paper tape reader/punch, but we never had any paper tape for it. I'm not sure it even worked.
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Post by: Rothman on February 16, 2022, 11:00:23 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 16, 2022, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: skluth on February 16, 2022, 06:13:34 PMMy mother brought home punch cards from her programming on an IBM mainframe in the late 1970s.
Gonna really show my age here. I first learned how to program on a Basic remote terminal hooked up via modem to a mainframe 100 miles away. It looked like an old military teletype machine including the tape reader which read paper teletype tape. I'm old enough to remember storing my programs on teletype tape.
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Post by: dlsterner on February 16, 2022, 11:28:20 PM
Post by: dlsterner on February 16, 2022, 11:28:20 PM
I used punch cards myself programming on an IBM mainframe in the late 1970's. Also 9 track data tapes for storage.
And if you know what that red plastic ring was for, you are too old :)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Tapeprotection.jpg)
In 1981, my first personal computer had all of 48K RAM and used a consumer cassette tape recorder as its storage device. Few years later bought a 300 baud modem. Yes, it was slow.
And if you know what that red plastic ring was for, you are too old :)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Tapeprotection.jpg)
In 1981, my first personal computer had all of 48K RAM and used a consumer cassette tape recorder as its storage device. Few years later bought a 300 baud modem. Yes, it was slow.
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Post by: elsmere241 on February 16, 2022, 11:33:47 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on February 16, 2022, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 09:14:46 PM
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can't say, people just liked it better that way.
New Castle, Delaware changed names several times as it changed possessors. I think the Dutch called it New Amstel.
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Post by: Rothman on February 17, 2022, 06:51:07 AM
Post by: Rothman on February 17, 2022, 06:51:07 AM
People just liked it better that way.
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Post by: 1995hoo on February 17, 2022, 07:44:24 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 17, 2022, 07:44:24 AM
Quote from: elsmere241 on February 16, 2022, 11:33:47 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 09:14:46 PM
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can't say, people just liked it better that way.
New Castle, Delaware, changed names several times as it changed possessors. I think the Dutch called it New Amstel.
95 calories never tasted so domestic...
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Post by: GaryV on February 17, 2022, 08:33:48 AM
Post by: GaryV on February 17, 2022, 08:33:48 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 16, 2022, 11:00:23 PMI used punch cards in college, but never on the job.Quote from: skluth on February 16, 2022, 06:13:34 PMMy mother brought home punch cards from her programming on an IBM mainframe in the late 1970s.
Gonna really show my age here. I first learned how to program on a Basic remote terminal hooked up via modem to a mainframe 100 miles away. It looked like an old military teletype machine including the tape reader which read paper teletype tape. I'm old enough to remember storing my programs on teletype tape.
My dad learned, in the 1960's, to program using a board where you plugged wires from one location to another. I never knew the theory about it. My involvement with it was to help pull out and sort (color coded by length) all the wires when the program didn't work and he had to start over.
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Post by: zachary_amaryllis on February 17, 2022, 12:13:16 PM
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on February 17, 2022, 12:13:16 PM
Typing in listings from Hot CoCo magazine. I also remember cassette file storage on the old CoCo's ... the blinking "S" in the upper left corner, and praying the program would actually load before a tape dropout hosed it.
I was firmly in the TRS-80 camp. My father's old PC-1 (looks like a calculator) is still in the garage with a dead battery. I also bought a Model II at a garage sale for $10, complete with 3-disk expansion about the size of a microwave, used 8" disks. I swear the lights flickered when those drives would spin up. I think that machine had 48k ram. my last CoCo2 had 64k, but you could only use the upper 32k in machine-language programs since they would clobber BASIC.
I was firmly in the TRS-80 camp. My father's old PC-1 (looks like a calculator) is still in the garage with a dead battery. I also bought a Model II at a garage sale for $10, complete with 3-disk expansion about the size of a microwave, used 8" disks. I swear the lights flickered when those drives would spin up. I think that machine had 48k ram. my last CoCo2 had 64k, but you could only use the upper 32k in machine-language programs since they would clobber BASIC.
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Post by: Dirt Roads on February 18, 2022, 10:55:34 AM
Post by: Dirt Roads on February 18, 2022, 10:55:34 AM
I still have my "coding card" for IBM OS/360 Assembler Language. Indeed, there were several times in my career that I had to pull it out when debugging with data dumps.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/414823815654139325/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/414823815654139325/
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Post by: Rothman on February 18, 2022, 11:58:07 AM
Post by: Rothman on February 18, 2022, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 18, 2022, 10:55:34 AMHeh. My mother said being able to analyze data dumps became a generational trait in the latter years of her career. Mainframe would spit out the dump and the younger programmers would have to find an "old greybeard" (her words) to read it.
I still have my "coding card" for IBM OS/360 Assembler Language. Indeed, there were several times in my career that I had to pull it out when debugging with data dumps.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/414823815654139325/
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Post by: Scott5114 on February 18, 2022, 01:14:39 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 18, 2022, 01:14:39 PM
Assembler hurts my head and I give major props to anyone that can comprehend the stuff.
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Post by: kendancy66 on February 19, 2022, 12:59:58 AM
Post by: kendancy66 on February 19, 2022, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 08:58:45 AMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PM
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Blockbuster Video (screw Netflix) :biggrin:
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Windows XP
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I remember when Blockbuster opened around here they were initially very unpopular. The big local chain was Erol's, which dominated the market, and people were reluctant to change. But Blockbuster were a bigger corporation with more resources and eventually saturated the market and drove Erol's out of business.
Regarding Windows XP, that's newfangled. Maybe we should have a thread on which version of DOS everyone liked best. (The first PC my parents got ran IBM PC-DOS 3.30 and WordPerfect 4.2.)
For some reason, I am thinking that Erols also had dial up internet? I remember that they had computer stores, or were they just electronics stores. I think there was one near I-495 and Braddock Road. If I had internet with them it would have been before cox finally arrived with broadband to my neighborhood
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Post by: kkt on February 19, 2022, 01:41:10 AM
Post by: kkt on February 19, 2022, 01:41:10 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 18, 2022, 11:58:07 AMQuote from: Dirt Roads on February 18, 2022, 10:55:34 AMHeh. My mother said being able to analyze data dumps became a generational trait in the latter years of her career. Mainframe would spit out the dump and the younger programmers would have to find an "old greybeard" (her words) to read it.
I still have my "coding card" for IBM OS/360 Assembler Language. Indeed, there were several times in my career that I had to pull it out when debugging with data dumps.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/414823815654139325/
I've analyzed some core dumps. Unfortunately, analyzing a PDP-10 core dump is not a skill in great demand these days.
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Post by: 1995hoo on February 19, 2022, 08:20:01 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 19, 2022, 08:20:01 AM
Quote from: kendancy66 on February 19, 2022, 12:59:58 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2022, 08:58:45 AMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on February 12, 2022, 07:49:52 PM
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Blockbuster Video (screw Netflix) :biggrin:
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Windows XP
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I remember when Blockbuster opened around here they were initially very unpopular. The big local chain was Erol's, which dominated the market, and people were reluctant to change. But Blockbuster were a bigger corporation with more resources and eventually saturated the market and drove Erol's out of business.
Regarding Windows XP, that's newfangled. Maybe we should have a thread on which version of DOS everyone liked best. (The first PC my parents got ran IBM PC-DOS 3.30 and WordPerfect 4.2.)
For some reason, I am thinking that Erols also had dial up internet? I remember that they had computer stores, or were they just electronics stores. I think there was one near I-495 and Braddock Road. If I had internet with them it would have been before cox finally arrived with broadband to my neighborhood
I believe they did offer Internet service, but I don't recall any details because we didn't have it. They also had electronics stores, not just computer stores–my father got our family's first color TV at an Erol's on Columbia Pike in Arlington sometime in the late 1970s. (To show you how your age changes your perception of things: I thought it sounded crazy expensive and I asked my dad how he'd ever pay for it. He replied that he was going to "use my plastic card." So then I wanted to know "why did the man give you your money back??!!!!" after the guy handed back his credit card.)
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Post by: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Post by: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Windows XP and Windows 10
Dialup connection (JUST born when dialup was at its heart)
Mac and Cheese Crackers!
Crown Chicken Nuggets at BK!
House prices being at $170 rather than $340! :colorful:
Personal Pan Pizzas at Pizza Hut
Monitors that had VGA connections rather than HDMI
Stereo Receivers! - Have one in my room!
Optiplex computers that had floppy disk drives and IDE dvd drives
Tube TVs
Free breakfast at the hotels
Tile flooring in houses
Linoleum floor in houses (fun fact: my house has it in the kitchen right now)
Saturday morning cartoons (who remembers garfield and friends?)
And more!
Dialup connection (JUST born when dialup was at its heart)
Mac and Cheese Crackers!
Crown Chicken Nuggets at BK!
House prices being at $170 rather than $340! :colorful:
Personal Pan Pizzas at Pizza Hut
Monitors that had VGA connections rather than HDMI
Stereo Receivers! - Have one in my room!
Optiplex computers that had floppy disk drives and IDE dvd drives
Tube TVs
Free breakfast at the hotels
Tile flooring in houses
Linoleum floor in houses (fun fact: my house has it in the kitchen right now)
Saturday morning cartoons (who remembers garfield and friends?)
And more!
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Post by: hotdogPi on March 03, 2022, 11:29:12 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on March 03, 2022, 11:29:12 AM
Quote from: thread title
Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Windows 10
Do you realize the point of this thread?
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Linoleum floor in houses (fun fact: my house has it in the kitchen right now)
You are too old if you remember something that exists right now?
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Post by: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 11:35:27 AM
Post by: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Monitors that had VGA connections rather than HDMI
My work computer has dual flat-screen monitors: one is hooked up by VGA cord, and the other is hooked up by DVI-D cord. Neither one has an HDMI port, and they're only 16 years old.
At home, one of our flat-screen monitors went out last week. The power button had gotten stuck when I turned it off, and we've been unable to fix it. So I got my old CRT monitor out from the basement and hooked it up by VGA cord; I checked the weather forecast on it early this morning.
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Tube TVs
We just got our first non-tube TV a year ago, and it was a Christmas present.
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Post by: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:38:16 AM
Post by: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:38:16 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 11:35:27 AMFTFYQuote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Monitors that had VGA connections rather than HDMI
My work computer has dual flat-screen monitors: one is hooked up by VGA cord, and the other is hooked up by DVI-D cord. Neither one has an HDMI port, and they're only 16 years old.
At home, one of our flat-screen monitors went out last week. The power button had gotten stuck when I turned it off, and we've been unable to fix it. So I got my old CRT monitor out from the basement and hooked it up by VGA cord; I checked the weather forecast on it early this morning.Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Tube TVs
We just got our first non-tube TV a year ago, and it was a Christmas present.
Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2022, 11:29:12 AM:bigass: FTFYQuote from: thread title
Re: You are too old if you remember.......Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Windows Vista
Do you realize the point of this thread?Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Linoleum floor in houses (fun fact: my house has it in the kitchen right now)
You are too old if you remember something that exists right now?
Linoleum floors are non existent in houses now, and ours is about to give. :pan:
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Post by: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 11:56:51 AM
Post by: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 07, 2022, 12:46:14 PM
Borders bookstores
Your profile says you're 18 years old, and your location says Cincinnati.
Here's a Borders bookstore on GSV from 2008 (https://goo.gl/maps/hJqx81zWKZ8vyk9v5).
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Post by: 1995hoo on March 03, 2022, 12:03:23 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 03, 2022, 12:03:23 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Dialup connection (JUST born when dialup was at its heart)
Modems not existing as a mass-market item at all. (I first had a dialup connection in my first-year dorm room in 1991.)
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
House prices being at $170 rather than $340! :colorful:
Townhouse prices being at $340K rather than $700K.
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AMStereo Receivers! - Have one in my room!
I have two, a Denon I purchased in 1992 that's in my home office and an Onkyo home-theater surround receiver purchased in 2002 in the basement rec room.
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Optiplex computers that had floppy disk drives and IDE dvd drives
Personal computers that had no hard drive, much less a CD or DVD drive.
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Free breakfast at the hotels
Hampton Inn still offers that; I believe Embassy Suites does as well. Both subject to pandemic restrictions, of course.
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Post by: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 02:18:24 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 02:18:24 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG/220px-Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG)
Also...
C:\>edit autoexec.bat
Also...
C:\>edit autoexec.bat
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Post by: kkt on March 03, 2022, 02:52:14 PM
Post by: kkt on March 03, 2022, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 02:18:24 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG/220px-Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG)
Also...
C:\>edit autoexec.bat
Oh thanks a lot now I'll have nightmares again.
Punch cards and starting over if you made a typo on column 73.
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Post by: frankenroad on March 03, 2022, 03:08:25 PM
Post by: frankenroad on March 03, 2022, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 19, 2022, 01:41:10 AM
I've analyzed some core dumps. Unfortunately, analyzing a PDP-10 core dump is not a skill in great demand these days.
I analyzed quite a few PDP-11 core dumps back in the day. But, I've been out of programming for 35+ years and I could not do it now if my life depended on it.
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Post by: formulanone on March 03, 2022, 03:09:14 PM
Post by: formulanone on March 03, 2022, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 02:18:24 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG/220px-Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG)
Also...
C:\>edit autoexec.bat
And if you didn't have a hard drive...
A:> copy con autoexec.bat
I think I last created an autoexec file in 2000, to make an old IBM PS/2 silently boot up Windows 3.1...so start off with ECHO OFF to look cool.
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Post by: 1995hoo on March 03, 2022, 03:24:47 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 03, 2022, 03:24:47 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 03, 2022, 02:52:14 PM
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Punch cards and starting over if you made a typo on column 73.
Typing on a manual typewriter and finding you didn't leave enough room for a footnote and having to retype the whole damn page.
I was recently looking for something in a box of old papers and I found a copy of a rather sarcastic essay I wrote in the 12th grade about learning to type that extolled the glories of the manual typewriter. I don't remember what the assignment was, of course, but I got enough of a kick out of my essay that I scanned so that I wouldn't lose it. Everything I said was complete bullshit, of course. I had used my parents' manual typewriter, but I was no "veteran" and I was never any good with it.
QuoteA major advantage of the typewriter is that it makes typing footnotes more enjoyable than a computer does. With the typewriter, it's necessary for the typist to know in advance how many footnotes he'll have on a page and how much room they'll take up. He also has to keep track of the numbering throughout the paper. At the bottom of the page, he must have allotted the correct amount of space for the notes. After he types them and finds that he didn't leave enough space, he has to go back and retype the page, again guessing at how much space to leave for footnotes. Imagine my dismay when I learned that a computer doesn't require such an effort. I was hurt to the core when I learned that all I had to do was hit the "footnote" key after completing my quote. This key brought up a prompt at which I typed the text of the note. The machine would then calculate how much space would be needed at the bottom of the page and move me to a new page accordingly. To a seasoned typewriter veteran like me, this was pure heresy. Retyping pages had become an almost religious experience, and this was now being taken away. What would be next?
Then, later, in discussing Ko-rec-type paper versus the "backspace" key on a PC:
QuoteThe Ko-rec-type system was wonderful: it let everybody who read a paper know that the typist had hit the wrong letter.
Regarding spellcheck:
QuoteThese programs check the document to see if all the words are spelled correctly and if all the sentences are written correctly. I never had this on a typewriter–I typed the page and then proofread it to find mistakes. More often than not I found several and had to go back and retype the page. Businessmen had this same ritual, except that they generally paid somebody to proofread pages for them. This proves yet another evil of the computer: it increases unemployment by allowing people to easily proofread their own works. These spelling and grammar checkers are a true nuisance. All one has to do is hit a button and the document is analyzed. All spelling and grammar errors are pointed out–the program never misses any. Thsi is trooly reedikulus. I had to prufreed gud with mi tiperitur, but I know haf two doo that no mor. This takez haf the funn owt uv tipeing.
(The teacher docked me a point for "This proves yet another evil" because she felt it wasn't clear what "This" meant, but interestingly she didn't ding me for the split infinitive later in the same sentence.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on March 03, 2022, 11:14:26 PM
Post by: kkt on March 03, 2022, 11:14:26 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 03, 2022, 03:24:47 PMQuote from: kkt on March 03, 2022, 02:52:14 PM
....
Punch cards and starting over if you made a typo on column 73.
Typing on a manual typewriter and finding you didn't leave enough room for a footnote and having to retype the whole damn page.
I was recently looking for something in a box of old papers and I found a copy of a rather sarcastic essay I wrote in the 12th grade about learning to type that extolled the glories of the manual typewriter. I don't remember what the assignment was, of course, but I got enough of a kick out of my essay that I scanned so that I wouldn't lose it. Everything I said was complete bullshit, of course. I had used my parents' manual typewriter, but I was no "veteran" and I was never any good with it.QuoteA major advantage of the typewriter is that it makes typing footnotes more enjoyable than a computer does. With the typewriter, it's necessary for the typist to know in advance how many footnotes he'll have on a page and how much room they'll take up. He also has to keep track of the numbering throughout the paper. At the bottom of the page, he must have allotted the correct amount of space for the notes. After he types them and finds that he didn't leave enough space, he has to go back and retype the page, again guessing at how much space to leave for footnotes. Imagine my dismay when I learned that a computer doesn't require such an effort. I was hurt to the core when I learned that all I had to do was hit the "footnote" key after completing my quote. This key brought up a prompt at which I typed the text of the note. The machine would then calculate how much space would be needed at the bottom of the page and move me to a new page accordingly. To a seasoned typewriter veteran like me, this was pure heresy. Retyping pages had become an almost religious experience, and this was now being taken away. What would be next?
Then, later, in discussing Ko-rec-type paper versus the "backspace" key on a PC:QuoteThe Ko-rec-type system was wonderful: it let everybody who read a paper know that the typist had hit the wrong letter.
Regarding spellcheck:QuoteThese programs check the document to see if all the words are spelled correctly and if all the sentences are written correctly. I never had this on a typewriter–I typed the page and then proofread it to find mistakes. More often than not I found several and had to go back and retype the page. Businessmen had this same ritual, except that they generally paid somebody to proofread pages for them. This proves yet another evil of the computer: it increases unemployment by allowing people to easily proofread their own works. These spelling and grammar checkers are a true nuisance. All one has to do is hit a button and the document is analyzed. All spelling and grammar errors are pointed out–the program never misses any. Thsi is trooly reedikulus. I had to prufreed gud with mi tiperitur, but I know haf two doo that no mor. This takez haf the funn owt uv tipeing.
(The teacher docked me a point for "This proves yet another evil" because she felt it wasn't clear what "This" meant, but interestingly she didn't ding me for the split infinitive later in the same sentence.)
That is why there were people known as "typists" back in the olden days. They'd take your earlier, probably typed, draft with corrections written in and after extracting a few primate manipulation papers hand you back a beautifully retyped copy with all the layout issues fixed and the handwritten corrections encorporated.
And then, because computers were so much better at calculating the space needed for footnotes, footnotes were dropped from the style manual of most journals and presses and replaced with endnotes that don't require any finesse to lay out but put the work on the reader to keep a finger tucked in to the last page if they want to see where you got your information.
Many grammarians don't consider split infinitives to be an error.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:03:43 AM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:03:43 AM
Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
House prices being at $170 rather than $340!
So practically the entire population of the state of Oklahoma is too old?
(Hell, when I bought my house in 2017, we were looking only at houses in the $120,000—$140,000 range, and our realtor had no problems finding plenty of them for us to look at.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:17:07 AM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:17:07 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 02:18:24 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG/220px-Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG)
Also...
C:\>edit autoexec.bat
Abort/Retry/Fail may well be the most ridiculous user interface decision of the 20th century, if not all time. I still barely grasp the nuance between "Abort" and "Fail". Good luck coaching Aunt Kathy through that one.
edit was good times, although it was nowhere near as powerful as the Unix editors that fill the same niche like emacs and nano. Actually, it had a lot of the same basic flaws as Notepad. But I always enjoyed using it instead of Notepad on the XP machines in high school, since editing HTML files in them made me look really wizardly. Or so 15-year-old me thought, anyway. Sadly, edit no longer exists on x86_64 versions of Windows, and apparently was removed from Windows 11 entirely.
Now if you really want a candidate for "you're too old if you remember...": using edlin. (Or Unix ed, for that matter.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Bruce on March 04, 2022, 05:48:21 AM
Post by: Bruce on March 04, 2022, 05:48:21 AM
Decent homes priced under $200,000? Even for the exurbs, those numbers haven't been seen since the 1990s.
Some little ones that I can remember despite being a youngin:
- The Bon, complete with the jingle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxOy-nzs3U&feature=emb_title)
- The old crown logos on King County things
- The old old bus tunnel
- Boeing not having a completely tarnished reputation
Some little ones that I can remember despite being a youngin:
- The Bon, complete with the jingle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxOy-nzs3U&feature=emb_title)
- The old crown logos on King County things
- The old old bus tunnel
- Boeing not having a completely tarnished reputation
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:57:50 AM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:57:50 AM
Quote from: Bruce on March 04, 2022, 05:48:21 AM
Decent homes priced under $200,000? Even for the exurbs, those numbers haven't been seen since the 1990s.
You can see them today... (https://www.zillow.com/norman-ok/houses/?searchQueryState=%7B%22pagination%22%3A%7B%7D%2C%22usersSearchTerm%22%3A%22Norman%2C%20OK%22%2C%22mapBounds%22%3A%7B%22west%22%3A-97.64698456298828%2C%22east%22%3A-97.07775543701172%2C%22south%22%3A35.029297259353385%2C%22north%22%3A35.4638894601421%7D%2C%22regionSelection%22%3A%5B%7B%22regionId%22%3A33136%2C%22regionType%22%3A6%7D%5D%2C%22isMapVisible%22%3Atrue%2C%22filterState%22%3A%7B%22sort%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3A%22days%22%7D%2C%22ah%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Atrue%7D%2C%22price%22%3A%7B%22max%22%3A200000%7D%2C%22mp%22%3A%7B%22max%22%3A745%7D%2C%22land%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22apa%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22apco%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22con%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22mf%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22tow%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22manu%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%7D%2C%22isListVisible%22%3Atrue%2C%22mapZoom%22%3A11%7D)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 06:40:14 AM
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 06:40:14 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:03:43 AMQuote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
House prices being at $170 rather than $340!
So practically the entire population of the state of Oklahoma is too old?
(Hell, when I bought my house in 2017, we were looking only at houses in the $120,000—$140,000 range, and our realtor had no problems finding plenty of them for us to look at.)
Sold my house for $170,000 in 2020 in NY...
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 07:49:05 AM
Post by: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 07:49:05 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 06:40:14 AM
Sold my house for $170,000 in 2020 in NY...
Although in the housing market, two years ago is a completely different world from now.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 08:07:03 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 08:07:03 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 03, 2022, 11:14:26 PM
....
Many grammarians don't consider split infinitives to be an error.
Maybe not now, but when I was in high school, it was exceedingly rare for a teacher not to consider a split infinitive an error. I took another look–that essay was for my AP English class. For an English teacher not to mark a split infinitive as an error was even more unusual.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on March 04, 2022, 08:10:16 AM
Post by: formulanone on March 04, 2022, 08:10:16 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:17:07 AMQuote from: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 02:18:24 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG/220px-Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG)
Also...
C:\>edit autoexec.bat
Abort/Retry/Fail may well be the most ridiculous user interface decision of the 20th century, if not all time. I still barely grasp the nuance between "Abort" and "Fail". Good luck coaching Aunt Kathy through that one.
I remember when it was "Abort/Retry/Ignore" in the DOS 2.x days, which made more sense to a layman.
I think the first time I saw "Fail", I thought I should just turn off the PC right then and there.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 09:50:40 AM
Post by: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 09:50:40 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:03:43 AMQuote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
House prices being at $170 rather than $340!
So practically the entire population of the state of Oklahoma is too old?
(Hell, when I bought my house in 2017, we were looking only at houses in the $120,000—$140,000 range, and our realtor had no problems finding plenty of them for us to look at.)
We rent. But I just looked up our house on Zillow, and it estimates the value at $93,000.
Amazing how some people don't grasp the concept that costs of living aren't the same everywhere.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 09:57:05 AM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 09:50:40 AMQuote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:03:43 AMQuote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
House prices being at $170 rather than $340!
So practically the entire population of the state of Oklahoma is too old?
(Hell, when I bought my house in 2017, we were looking only at houses in the $120,000—$140,000 range, and our realtor had no problems finding plenty of them for us to look at.)
We rent. But I just looked up our house on Zillow, and it estimates the value at $93,000.
Amazing how some people don't grasp the concept that costs of living aren't the same everywhere.
Our house cost $165,000 when my wife bought it 2009 in Fresno. The Zillow value is artificially worth double that because the housing shortage in Fresno and lumber surcharge fee being applied for new home construction right now. Either way, lots of houses are under 200k in the Central Valley and will be that way for years to come.
Amusingly I actually had a conversation with someone I used to work with in Orlando about Fresno. She was surprised that I would move to California given the high taxes and high gas prices. I think that I surprised her when I described the real estate market in Fresno as being more affordable than Orlando.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 10:19:52 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 10:19:52 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 09:50:40 AMQuote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:03:43 AMQuote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
House prices being at $170 rather than $340!
So practically the entire population of the state of Oklahoma is too old?
(Hell, when I bought my house in 2017, we were looking only at houses in the $120,000—$140,000 range, and our realtor had no problems finding plenty of them for us to look at.)
We rent. But I just looked up our house on Zillow, and it estimates the value at $93,000.
Amazing how some people don't grasp the concept that costs of living aren't the same everywhere.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 09:57:05 AM
Our house cost $165,000 when my wife bought it 2009 in Fresno. The Zillow value is artificially worth double that because the housing shortage in Fresno and lumber surcharge fee being applied for new home construction right now. Either way, lots of houses are under 200k in the Central Valley and will be that way for years to come.
Amusingly I actually had a conversation with someone I used to work with in Orlando about Fresno. She was surprised that I would move to California given the high taxes and high gas prices. I think that I surprised her when I described the real estate market in Fresno as being more affordable than Orlando.
I was kind of getting at the same point you guys are making but from the opposite point of view because of where I live. I paid $270,000 for my one-car-garage townhouse (interior unit) back in 2001. The one-car-garage interior unit directly across the street sold for $705,000 last November; that sale was part of the reason why our property assessment this year is over $650,000. My parents paid $200,000 for their single-family house on a corner lot in 1983; if my mom were to sell now, she'd easily get over a million. I know someone in Clifton Forge who lives in a comparably-sized house to my mom's (maybe a little smaller) on a larger lot; her house is assessed at $171,000.
Part of that is that this area tends not to suffer the same downturns to the same degree as other areas because the US government presence creates a higher demand for housing.
The same sort of thing can be reflected in salaries, of course, as well as in adjustments to salary like locality pay for those lines of work where that's relevant.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 11:32:25 AM
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 07:49:05 AMNope. That was late 2020 and takes into account the pandemic insanity...Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 06:40:14 AM
Sold my house for $170,000 in 2020 in NY...
Although in the housing market, two years ago is a completely different world from now.
...which actually furthers the point that the initial post by snowc on how prices have changed is pretty removed from reality, since my house would have sold for less.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on March 04, 2022, 11:36:51 AM
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on March 04, 2022, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:17:07 AMQuote from: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 02:18:24 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG/220px-Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG)
Also...
C:\>edit autoexec.bat
Abort/Retry/Fail may well be the most ridiculous user interface decision of the 20th century, if not all time. I still barely grasp the nuance between "Abort" and "Fail". Good luck coaching Aunt Kathy through that one.
edit was good times, although it was nowhere near as powerful as the Unix editors that fill the same niche like emacs and nano. Actually, it had a lot of the same basic flaws as Notepad. But I always enjoyed using it instead of Notepad on the XP machines in high school, since editing HTML files in them made me look really wizardly. Or so 15-year-old me thought, anyway. Sadly, edit no longer exists on x86_64 versions of Windows, and apparently was removed from Windows 11 entirely.
Now if you really want a candidate for "you're too old if you remember...": using edlin. (Or Unix ed, for that matter.)
remember general failure? my father tried to convince me the military was trying to read his disks. he might be in the same branch as colonel panic...
from wikipedia:
Abort (A): Terminate the operation or program, and return to the command prompt. In hindsight, this was not a good idea as the program would not do any cleanup (such as completing writing of other files).
Retry (R): Attempt the operation again. "Retry" was what the user did if they could fix the problem by inserting a disk and closing the disk drive door. On early hardware, retrying a disk read error would sometimes be successful, but as disk drives improved, this became far less likely.
Ignore (I): Return success status to the calling program or routine, despite the failure of the operation. This could be used for disk read errors, and DOS would return whatever data was in the read buffer (which might contain some of the correct data). "Ignore" did not appear for open drives or missing disks.
Fail (F): Starting with MS-DOS/PC DOS 3.3, "Fail" returned an error code to the program, similar to a "file not found" error. The program could then gracefully recover, perhaps asking the user for a different file name. This removed the biggest problem with the prompt (which earlier was known as "Abort, Retry, Ignore?") by providing an option that did not crash the program or repeat the prompt.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Henry on March 04, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
Post by: Henry on March 04, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but I remember having to turn the TV to channel 3 or 4 to watch a video tape or play games.
(OT: Has there ever been an area with both numbers being assigned to different stations? Probably not, because at least one channel would have to be free for those kind of things.)
(OT: Has there ever been an area with both numbers being assigned to different stations? Probably not, because at least one channel would have to be free for those kind of things.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 11:56:05 AM
Post by: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 11:56:05 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 11:32:25 AMQuote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 07:49:05 AMNope. That was late 2020 and takes into account the pandemic insanity...Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 06:40:14 AM
Sold my house for $170,000 in 2020 in NY...
Although in the housing market, two years ago is a completely different world from now.
...which actually furthers the point that the initial post by snowc on how prices have changed is pretty removed from reality, since my house would have sold for less.
Either way, 2020 was the only the beginning of fast-rising house prices in Upstate NY, and prices have continued to go up quickly after being largely stagnant for decades, so the price would be higher now.
Of course I'm not agreeing with snowc's original post because it's way too much of a blanket statement, but it wouldn't be a completely crazy premise with some much-needed context (region, time period, etc.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: skluth on March 04, 2022, 12:13:03 PM
Post by: skluth on March 04, 2022, 12:13:03 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 03, 2022, 11:14:26 PM
That is why there were people known as "typists" back in the olden days. They'd take your earlier, probably typed, draft with corrections written in and after extracting a few primate manipulation papers hand you back a beautifully retyped copy with all the layout issues fixed and the handwritten corrections encorporated.
It was common for college students to use typists for important papers. I had a friend type my Senior Independent Study (a computer analysis showing the month-to-month correlation of rainfall over the Lake Michigan basin to Lake Michigan levels from 1920 to 1985). I can't remember what she charged, but she gave me a discount and she was worth it. She even proofed it beforehand and caught a couple spelling and grammar errors.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: GCrites on March 04, 2022, 12:24:24 PM
Post by: GCrites on March 04, 2022, 12:24:24 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 04, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but I remember having to turn the TV to channel 3 or 4 to watch a video tape or play games.
(OT: Has there ever been an area with both numbers being assigned to different stations? Probably not, because at least one channel would have to be free for those kind of things.)
No, the FCC didn't allow that due to frequency bleed.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 12:27:39 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 11:56:05 AMQuote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 11:32:25 AMQuote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 07:49:05 AMNope. That was late 2020 and takes into account the pandemic insanity...Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 06:40:14 AM
Sold my house for $170,000 in 2020 in NY...
Although in the housing market, two years ago is a completely different world from now.
...which actually furthers the point that the initial post by snowc on how prices have changed is pretty removed from reality, since my house would have sold for less.
Either way, 2020 was the only the beginning of fast-rising house prices, and prices have continued to go up quickly after being largely stagnant for decades, so the price would be higher now.
Of course I'm not agreeing with snowc's original post because it's way too much of a blanket statement, but it wouldn't be a completely crazy premise with some much-needed context (region, time period, etc.)
The boldfaced really depends on where you live. Housing prices in my area have definitely not been "stagnant for decades." There was a brief downturn around 2008, like everywhere, but on the whole property values here have, in most parts of the area, consistently risen.
Of course there are exceptions–the neighborhood where my family lived from when I was 2 to when I was 10 saw property values rise far less sharply than many other neighborhoods in the area. I looked up the house we lived in for those years. My parents sold it in 1983; it was sold again 20 years later for a bit less than $200,000 more. That's a relatively flat appreciation for Northern Virginia. I think the biggest issue in that neighborhood was that too many of the townhouses were being used as rentals, which almost always depresses property values a bit because renters have less incentive to take care of the property and the neighborhood. Point being, real estate values are tough to figure out sometimes because so many factors go into them.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 12:30:55 PM
Post by: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 12:27:39 PMQuote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 11:56:05 AMQuote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 11:32:25 AMQuote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 07:49:05 AMNope. That was late 2020 and takes into account the pandemic insanity...Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 06:40:14 AM
Sold my house for $170,000 in 2020 in NY...
Although in the housing market, two years ago is a completely different world from now.
...which actually furthers the point that the initial post by snowc on how prices have changed is pretty removed from reality, since my house would have sold for less.
Either way, 2020 was the only the beginning of fast-rising house prices, and prices have continued to go up quickly after being largely stagnant for decades, so the price would be higher now.
Of course I'm not agreeing with snowc's original post because it's way too much of a blanket statement, but it wouldn't be a completely crazy premise with some much-needed context (region, time period, etc.)
The boldfaced really depends on where you live. Housing prices in my area have definitely not been "stagnant for decades." There was a brief downturn around 2008, like everywhere, but on the whole property values here have, in most parts of the area, consistently risen.
Sorry, yes - another case in point of the importance of context. I was referring to upstate NY, where that was indeed the case prior to 2019-20, and have updated my post to reflect such.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: snowc on March 04, 2022, 12:37:35 PM
Post by: snowc on March 04, 2022, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:03:43 AMSorry for being evasive.Quote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
House prices being at $170 rather than $340!
So practically the entire population of the state of Oklahoma is too old?
(Hell, when I bought my house in 2017, we were looking only at houses in the $120,000—$140,000 range, and our realtor had no problems finding plenty of them for us to look at.)
Houses typically cost $170k to buy in 2017 in NC, my area had houses in the 160s-190s and they were good quality!
Fast forward to 2022, it costs double to buy the same house in NC, whereas Rothman says, moving to NY is actually a better idea.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5190-Onondaga-Rd-Syracuse-NY-13215/55507580_zpid/ (https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5190-Onondaga-Rd-Syracuse-NY-13215/55507580_zpid/)
Look at this house, as RothMan said, it costs $1700 to rent a small house. :colorful:
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 12:47:36 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 12:47:36 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 10:19:52 AMQuote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 09:50:40 AMQuote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:03:43 AMQuote from: snowc on March 03, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
House prices being at $170 rather than $340!
So practically the entire population of the state of Oklahoma is too old?
(Hell, when I bought my house in 2017, we were looking only at houses in the $120,000—$140,000 range, and our realtor had no problems finding plenty of them for us to look at.)
We rent. But I just looked up our house on Zillow, and it estimates the value at $93,000.
Amazing how some people don't grasp the concept that costs of living aren't the same everywhere.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 09:57:05 AM
Our house cost $165,000 when my wife bought it 2009 in Fresno. The Zillow value is artificially worth double that because the housing shortage in Fresno and lumber surcharge fee being applied for new home construction right now. Either way, lots of houses are under 200k in the Central Valley and will be that way for years to come.
Amusingly I actually had a conversation with someone I used to work with in Orlando about Fresno. She was surprised that I would move to California given the high taxes and high gas prices. I think that I surprised her when I described the real estate market in Fresno as being more affordable than Orlando.
I was kind of getting at the same point you guys are making but from the opposite point of view because of where I live. I paid $270,000 for my one-car-garage townhouse (interior unit) back in 2001. The one-car-garage interior unit directly across the street sold for $705,000 last November; that sale was part of the reason why our property assessment this year is over $650,000. My parents paid $200,000 for their single-family house on a corner lot in 1983; if my mom were to sell now, she'd easily get over a million. I know someone in Clifton Forge who lives in a comparably-sized house to my mom's (maybe a little smaller) on a larger lot; her house is assessed at $171,000.
Part of that is that this area tends not to suffer the same downturns to the same degree as other areas because the US government presence creates a higher demand for housing.
The same sort of thing can be reflected in salaries, of course, as well as in adjustments to salary like locality pay for those lines of work where that's relevant.
At this rate it would be worth it to cash out and leave for another state if my wife wasn't so attached to her parents. By the time they expire we will likely be close to paying the house off. I don't know of any other location that has four National Parks within a three hour radius so we might just end up staying.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 01:06:19 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 01:06:19 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 04, 2022, 12:37:35 PM
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5190-Onondaga-Rd-Syracuse-NY-13215/55507580_zpid/ (https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5190-Onondaga-Rd-Syracuse-NY-13215/55507580_zpid/)
Look at this house, as RothMan said, it costs $1700 to rent a small house. :colorful:
Wow, that's a big lot! 0.84ac is nothing to sneeze at.
Our house in Wichita is the same size (4 sqft smaller), and our rent is something like $750 per month. Ours was built two years later than the Syracuse one, and the garage was converted into a third bedroom at some point. It also has a typical 0.15ac lot size.
Of course, in Syracuse, if you narrow down the lot size to what ours is, it doesn't lower the rent very much: this house (https://goo.gl/maps/DkxBkqRjV9yjtjVo7), for example, shows $1300 per month (https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/104-Claire-Rd-Syracuse-NY-13214/31667822_zpid/).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on March 04, 2022, 01:13:07 PM
Post by: kkt on March 04, 2022, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:17:07 AMQuote from: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 02:18:24 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG/220px-Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG)
Also...
C:\>edit autoexec.bat
Abort/Retry/Fail may well be the most ridiculous user interface decision of the 20th century, if not all time. I still barely grasp the nuance between "Abort" and "Fail". Good luck coaching Aunt Kathy through that one.
edit was good times, although it was nowhere near as powerful as the Unix editors that fill the same niche like emacs and nano. Actually, it had a lot of the same basic flaws as Notepad. But I always enjoyed using it instead of Notepad on the XP machines in high school, since editing HTML files in them made me look really wizardly. Or so 15-year-old me thought, anyway. Sadly, edit no longer exists on x86_64 versions of Windows, and apparently was removed from Windows 11 entirely.
Now if you really want a candidate for "you're too old if you remember...": using edlin. (Or Unix ed, for that matter.)
Now, Emacs did not have its origins in Unixland. Emacs grew up as a set of Editing Macros for Teco, the line-oriented editor that was standard with a lot of DEC operating systems. DEC's TOPS-10 was used on several student-access computers at MIT, and the students heavily modified TOPS-10 to produce ITS, the Incompatible Timesharing System. Emacs grew up on ITS, at first as screen-oriented editing and gradually adding many fancy features. Much later it was ported to Unix, and the Teco bottom layer taken away to run on a version of LISP.
Re-implementing a small lower layer makes for a very portable product, which has allowed Emacs to be ported to widely diverse systems.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 01:13:13 PM
Post by: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 01:06:19 PMQuote from: snowc on March 04, 2022, 12:37:35 PM
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5190-Onondaga-Rd-Syracuse-NY-13215/55507580_zpid/ (https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5190-Onondaga-Rd-Syracuse-NY-13215/55507580_zpid/)
Look at this house, as RothMan said, it costs $1700 to rent a small house. :colorful:
Wow, that's a big lot! 0.84ac is nothing to sneeze at.
Our house in Wichita is the same size (4 sqft smaller), and our rent is something like $750 per month. Ours was built two years later than the Syracuse one, and the garage was converted into a third bedroom at some point. It also has a typical 0.15ac lot size.
Of course, in Syracuse, if you narrow down the lot size to what ours is, it doesn't lower the rent very much: this house (https://goo.gl/maps/DkxBkqRjV9yjtjVo7), for example, shows $1300 per month (https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/104-Claire-Rd-Syracuse-NY-13214/31667822_zpid/).
Around here, 1/2 acre is pretty standard once you get outside of the inner city, as that first example is.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: J N Winkler on March 04, 2022, 01:18:46 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on March 04, 2022, 01:18:46 PM
Housing affordability is becoming more of a problem even in areas like Wichita with a long history of slow and steady appreciation in real-estate values. For a long period of time in the 2010's, a narrow-eaves house with about 1000 SF could be purchased in good condition for about $60,000, but is now hard to find for much under $100,000. Wide-eaves houses with about 2000 SF went for about $120,000 for much of the 2010's but now go for about $200,000.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:21:03 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:21:03 PM
None of the discussion affects the fact that snowc was wrong.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on March 04, 2022, 01:23:44 PM
Post by: kkt on March 04, 2022, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: skluth on March 04, 2022, 12:13:03 PMQuote from: kkt on March 03, 2022, 11:14:26 PM
That is why there were people known as "typists" back in the olden days. They'd take your earlier, probably typed, draft with corrections written in and after extracting a few primate manipulation papers hand you back a beautifully retyped copy with all the layout issues fixed and the handwritten corrections encorporated.
It was common for college students to use typists for important papers. I had a friend type my Senior Independent Study (a computer analysis showing the month-to-month correlation of rainfall over the Lake Michigan basin to Lake Michigan levels from 1920 to 1985). I can't remember what she charged, but she gave me a discount and she was worth it. She even proofed it beforehand and caught a couple spelling and grammar errors.
My mom picked up extra money in undergrad and grad school as a typist. But when she was doing her dissertation, she was just too busy to type her own. Getting her post-grad school job lined up, finding a place to live there, disposing of some of her possessions and packing the rest, fighting with Kodak because of how color-shifted her photos of rocks came back, all things that would be hard to delegate, and the typing was pretty easy.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: JayhawkCO on March 04, 2022, 01:26:39 PM
Post by: JayhawkCO on March 04, 2022, 01:26:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2022, 12:47:36 PM
At this rate it would be worth it to cash out and leave for another state if my wife wasn't so attached to her parents. By the time they expire we will likely be close to paying the house off. I don't know of any other location that has four National Parks within a three hour radius so we might just end up staying.
We're in a somewhat of a similar situation. I've owned my house not quite 5 years and it's gone up about $225,000 in that time. That's great and we did a cash out refi to pay down all other debt, but even when the house is paid off (in about 14 years (refi-ed into a 15 year), none of the states I would consider moving to have much cheaper housing than Denver. Might as well just stay.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 01:42:46 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 01:42:46 PM
Getting back to the theme of "You are too old if you remember," a tweet from the Virginia DMV earlier this afternoon prompted me to think of two driving-related ones:
Who else here learned that (a) when you stop at a red light, you should be able to see where the car in front of yours' tires touches the pavement (though you should also pull up if needed to let someone get into the turn lane); (b) when you're changing lanes, you should check your rearview mirror and if you can see both headlights on the car in the other lane that's behind you, you have enough space to get over?
Someone on another forum once said (b) is dating yourself because that isn't taught anymore.
Who else here learned that (a) when you stop at a red light, you should be able to see where the car in front of yours' tires touches the pavement (though you should also pull up if needed to let someone get into the turn lane); (b) when you're changing lanes, you should check your rearview mirror and if you can see both headlights on the car in the other lane that's behind you, you have enough space to get over?
Someone on another forum once said (b) is dating yourself because that isn't taught anymore.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Heard b, but not a.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: J N Winkler on March 04, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on March 04, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 01:42:46 PMGetting back to the theme of "You are too old if you remember," a tweet from the Virginia DMV earlier this afternoon prompted me to think of two driving-related ones:
Who else here learned that (a) when you stop at a red light, you should be able to see where the car in front of yours' tires touches the pavement (though you should also pull up if needed to let someone get into the turn lane); (b) when you're changing lanes, you should check your rearview mirror and if you can see both headlights on the car in the other lane that's behind you, you have enough space to get over?
Someone on another forum once said (b) is dating yourself because that isn't taught anymore.
The variant of (b) I've heard is that a lane change should not be attempted unless the entirety of the front of the other vehicle is visible. My driver's education instructors would probably have disagreed with (a)--we were taught the tailpipe of the vehicle in front should be visible.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 02:04:12 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 02:04:12 PM
When my dad taught me how to drive, he told me (b) as a way of knowing when to get back over after passing someone. I don't think I learned it in driver's ed, though.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: JayhawkCO on March 04, 2022, 02:40:22 PM
Post by: JayhawkCO on March 04, 2022, 02:40:22 PM
I remember hearing both. A) is common practice in a lot of places with high crime so you can get out of the way in case of a carjacking or something of the like.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
Post by: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Heard b, but not a.
Same here, actually.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: frankenroad on March 04, 2022, 03:26:50 PM
Post by: frankenroad on March 04, 2022, 03:26:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 01:42:46 PM
Getting back to the theme of "You are too old if you remember," a tweet from the Virginia DMV earlier this afternoon prompted me to think of two driving-related ones:
Who else here learned that (a) when you stop at a red light, you should be able to see where the car in front of yours' tires touches the pavement (though you should also pull up if needed to let someone get into the turn lane); (b) when you're changing lanes, you should check your rearview mirror and if you can see both headlights on the car in the other lane that's behind you, you have enough space to get over?
Someone on another forum once said (b) is dating yourself because that isn't taught anymore.
I don't remember being taught A in Driver's Ed (1972), but I learned it from my son when he took Driver's Ed in 2000. FWIW, both he and I took Drivers Ed in Ohio.
Never heard B.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 04:41:59 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 02:04:12 PM
When my dad taught me how to drive, he told me (b) as a way of knowing when to get back over after passing someone. I don't think I learned it in driver's ed, though.
I don't recall for certain whether I heard that in the classroom portion of driver's ed (which was part of the phys ed curriculum for one-quarter of your sophomore year of high school when I attended high school) or in the behind-the-wheel portion (which, like most people here, I took from a private driving school, not through the public school system). I do know both of my parents mentioned it. Maybe it's a more regional thing? My parents both learned to drive in New York, if that's relevant (my mom got her license in Virginia, though, because the road test here doesn't involve parallel parking).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Mapmikey on March 04, 2022, 05:09:34 PM
Post by: Mapmikey on March 04, 2022, 05:09:34 PM
I was also taught - and still do - (b) though I don't recall if it was my dad or the SC driver's manual. SC didn't require any driver's Ed when I started driving in 1985.
I'm not sure what the point of (a) would be unless you are on a steepish uphill grade and you would want to give room to the manual transmission car in front of you who might roll backwards a bit while trying to take off at the green light.
I'm not sure what the point of (a) would be unless you are on a steepish uphill grade and you would want to give room to the manual transmission car in front of you who might roll backwards a bit while trying to take off at the green light.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 06:07:12 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 06:07:12 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 04, 2022, 05:09:34 PM
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I'm not sure what the point of (a) would be unless you are on a steepish uphill grade and you would want to give room to the manual transmission car in front of you who might roll backwards a bit while trying to take off at the green light.
Other reasons I've heard are to reduce the likelihood of ramming the car in front of you if you're hit from behind at low speed and to leave room to get out of the lane in case someone ahead of you breaks down or someone attempts to carjack you or similar.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on March 04, 2022, 07:04:40 PM
Post by: formulanone on March 04, 2022, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 06:07:12 PMQuote from: Mapmikey on March 04, 2022, 05:09:34 PM
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I’m not sure what the point of (a) would be unless you are on a steepish uphill grade and you would want to give room to the manual transmission car in front of you who might roll backwards a bit while trying to take off at the green light.
Other reasons I’ve heard are to reduce the likelihood of ramming the car in front of you if you’re hit from behind at low speed and to leave room to get out of the lane in case someone ahead of you breaks down or someone attempts to carjack you or similar.
I was taught A and B, though for the reason of breakdowns/hazards at stop lights. Also, in case you're hit from behind, you've given just a little more room so you stand less of a chance of hitting the car in front of you...provided the rear-end accident occurs at below 20 mph, and your brake pedal is depressed.
Since headlight assemblies are becoming $1000-2000 items in the average car (and can be double that in some luxury cars), I feel this is advice has aged well. I don't think the extra 2-3 feet are demanding that much on overall traffic.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 07:10:22 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 07:10:22 PM
Leaving room at a stoplight also helps clear the light faster, as when the light turns green you can use that buffer space to start rolling even if the cars ahead of you haven't reached full speed yet.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Post by: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:22:17 PMAnd me.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Heard b, but not a.
Same here, actually.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 07:49:12 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 07:16:07 PMYou are too old if you know the source of The Sausage King of Chicago...Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:22:17 PMAnd me.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Heard b, but not a.
Same here, actually.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2022, 07:52:49 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2022, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 04, 2022, 01:42:46 PM
Getting back to the theme of "You are too old if you remember," a tweet from the Virginia DMV earlier this afternoon prompted me to think of two driving-related ones:
Who else here learned that (a) when you stop at a red light, you should be able to see where the car in front of yours' tires touches the pavement (though you should also pull up if needed to let someone get into the turn lane); (b) when you're changing lanes, you should check your rearview mirror and if you can see both headlights on the car in the other lane that's behind you, you have enough space to get over?
Someone on another forum once said (b) is dating yourself because that isn't taught anymore.
I've heard both, although with (a) I heard you should be able to see the bumper of the vehicle. Line of sight basically allows the tires to be seen also.
With (b), my car has an unusual right-side camera on the right side-view mirror that is displayed in the center dash area (where the rear-camera video is also played) whenever the right blinker is turned on. There's a few lines on the screen that shows when it's safe to merge over, which is about when I can also see both headlights of the car in the adjoining lane.
As far as that camera goes, I think the purposes include helping assist in traffic to see if a bicyclist was coming up on the right side, along with the passing reason above. However, it took the driver's eyes away from their natural viewing spot, outside the car. Honda did away with the camera in the 2022 model year, replacing it with more standard side warning lights in the side view mirrors.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on March 04, 2022, 08:02:28 PM
Post by: kkt on March 04, 2022, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 07:49:12 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 07:16:07 PMYou are too old if you know the source of The Sausage King of Chicago...Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:22:17 PMAnd me.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Heard b, but not a.
Same here, actually.
Ferris was not that long ago! was it?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 08:31:25 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 08:31:25 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2022, 08:02:28 PMDon't look it up.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 07:49:12 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 07:16:07 PMYou are too old if you know the source of The Sausage King of Chicago...Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:22:17 PMAnd me.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Heard b, but not a.
Same here, actually.
Ferris was not that long ago! was it?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 09:13:43 PM
Post by: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 09:13:43 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2022, 08:02:28 PMLet me put it this way: If Back to the Future was made today, Marty would go back to 1992.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 07:49:12 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 07:16:07 PMYou are too old if you know the source of The Sausage King of Chicago...Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:22:17 PMAnd me.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Heard b, but not a.
Same here, actually.
Ferris was not that long ago! was it?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 09:28:47 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 09:13:43 PMQuote from: kkt on March 04, 2022, 08:02:28 PMLet me put it this way: If Back to the Future was made today, Marty would go back to 1992.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 07:49:12 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 07:16:07 PMYou are too old if you know the source of The Sausage King of Chicago...Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:22:17 PMAnd me.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Heard b, but not a.
Same here, actually.
Ferris was not that long ago! was it?
Oh God, now I feel old.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: ran4sh on March 04, 2022, 09:42:22 PM
Post by: ran4sh on March 04, 2022, 09:42:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 07:10:22 PM
Leaving room at a stoplight also helps clear the light faster, as when the light turns green you can use that buffer space to start rolling even if the cars ahead of you haven't reached full speed yet.
I wish people would actually do this, it shouldn't take more than a few seconds to start moving when the light turns green. I can usually take my foot off the brake immediately when the light changes, but if other drivers don't start moving I have to put my foot back on the brake.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Bruce on March 04, 2022, 10:10:59 PM
Post by: Bruce on March 04, 2022, 10:10:59 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 05:57:50 AMQuote from: Bruce on March 04, 2022, 05:48:21 AM
Decent homes priced under $200,000? Even for the exurbs, those numbers haven't been seen since the 1990s.
You can see them today... (https://www.zillow.com/norman-ok/houses/?searchQueryState=%7B%22pagination%22%3A%7B%7D%2C%22usersSearchTerm%22%3A%22Norman%2C%20OK%22%2C%22mapBounds%22%3A%7B%22west%22%3A-97.64698456298828%2C%22east%22%3A-97.07775543701172%2C%22south%22%3A35.029297259353385%2C%22north%22%3A35.4638894601421%7D%2C%22regionSelection%22%3A%5B%7B%22regionId%22%3A33136%2C%22regionType%22%3A6%7D%5D%2C%22isMapVisible%22%3Atrue%2C%22filterState%22%3A%7B%22sort%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3A%22days%22%7D%2C%22ah%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Atrue%7D%2C%22price%22%3A%7B%22max%22%3A200000%7D%2C%22mp%22%3A%7B%22max%22%3A745%7D%2C%22land%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22apa%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22apco%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22con%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22mf%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22tow%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22manu%22%3A%7B%22value%22%3Afalse%7D%7D%2C%22isListVisible%22%3Atrue%2C%22mapZoom%22%3A11%7D)
Meant to say "around here".
Different world out there.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 10:53:26 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 10:53:26 PM
Leaving room at a stoplight also means less exhaust is coming in through your air vents.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on March 04, 2022, 10:57:33 PM
Post by: formulanone on March 04, 2022, 10:57:33 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 09:28:47 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 09:13:43 PMQuote from: kkt on March 04, 2022, 08:02:28 PMLet me put it this way: If Back to the Future was made today, Marty would go back to 1992.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 07:49:12 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on March 04, 2022, 07:16:07 PMYou are too old if you know the source of The Sausage King of Chicago...Quote from: webny99 on March 04, 2022, 03:22:17 PMAnd me.Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Heard b, but not a.
Same here, actually.
Ferris was not that long ago! was it?
Oh God, now I feel old.
You feel old? I was a senior in high school back then.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 11:25:14 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 11:25:14 PM
Later this year, there will be people turning 21 who weren't even born yet when 9/11 happened. I swear that was like ten years ago...
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 11:48:09 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 04, 2022, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 11:25:14 PM
Later this year, there will be people turning 21 who weren't even born yet when 9/11 happened. I swear that was like ten years ago...
In 2018, each of us at the casino got to feel old the first time we ran across a patron with a birth year starting with 2.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on March 05, 2022, 08:54:23 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 05, 2022, 08:54:23 AM
A few years ago on a trip to Florida, our nephew who lives in Broward County was riding with me and he didn't know what the handbrake lever was. (He was even more baffled when I then told him the car had three pedals for me to use while driving.)
His cousin in Fort Myers, on the other hand, wanted to know what that stick I was always moving around was. The cousin's father commented on how you don't see many cassette players these days (the car has one), which then had his sons wanting to know what a cassette was (so I pulled one out of the armrest and played it).
His cousin in Fort Myers, on the other hand, wanted to know what that stick I was always moving around was. The cousin's father commented on how you don't see many cassette players these days (the car has one), which then had his sons wanting to know what a cassette was (so I pulled one out of the armrest and played it).
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Post by: roadman65 on March 05, 2022, 09:58:09 AM
Post by: roadman65 on March 05, 2022, 09:58:09 AM
When cars had an option of manual or power windows. They used to charge way more for the latter and most were standard in only Lincoln's and Cadillacs cause they were upscale autos and a crank wouldn't fit the model.
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Post by: kphoger on March 05, 2022, 12:59:05 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 05, 2022, 12:59:05 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2022, 09:58:09 AM
When cars had an option of manual or power windows. They used to charge way more for the latter and most were standard in only Lincoln's and Cadillacs cause they were upscale autos and a crank wouldn't fit the model.
The fleet of work vans at my job have manual window cranks. Some things that come standard on typical passenger cars aren't standard on fleet vehicles.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on March 06, 2022, 09:45:19 AM
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on March 06, 2022, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: Henry on March 04, 2022, 11:52:52 AMIf I remember right, the rules were that one of those channels had to be free in every area.
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but I remember having to turn the TV to channel 3 or 4 to watch a video tape or play games.
(OT: Has there ever been an area with both numbers being assigned to different stations? Probably not, because at least one channel would have to be free for those kind of things.)
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Post by: snowc on March 06, 2022, 09:49:29 AM
Post by: snowc on March 06, 2022, 09:49:29 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2022, 11:25:14 PMThat's me. :-(
Later this year, there will be people turning 21 who weren't even born yet when 9/11 happened. I swear that was like ten years ago...
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vdeane on March 06, 2022, 05:32:30 PM
Post by: vdeane on March 06, 2022, 05:32:30 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on March 06, 2022, 09:45:19 AMThat's certainly true of broadcast (which couldn't use adjacent frequencies for the most part anyways due to interference), but I don't think it it/was for cable. I remember both 3 and 4 being used when I was growing up, although I think one of those just showed infomercials or was some kind of shopping station like QVC. The other was WGN. They might have swapped at one point, and I think WGN and ION occupied those stations for a time.Quote from: Henry on March 04, 2022, 11:52:52 AMIf I remember right, the rules were that one of those channels had to be free in every area.
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but I remember having to turn the TV to channel 3 or 4 to watch a video tape or play games.
(OT: Has there ever been an area with both numbers being assigned to different stations? Probably not, because at least one channel would have to be free for those kind of things.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: SectorZ on March 06, 2022, 05:50:36 PM
Post by: SectorZ on March 06, 2022, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 06, 2022, 05:32:30 PMQuote from: zachary_amaryllis on March 06, 2022, 09:45:19 AMThat's certainly true of broadcast (which couldn't use adjacent frequencies for the most part anyways due to interference), but I don't think it it/was for cable. I remember both 3 and 4 being used when I was growing up, although I think one of those just showed infomercials or was some kind of shopping station like QVC. The other was WGN. They might have swapped at one point, and I think WGN and ION occupied those stations for a time.Quote from: Henry on March 04, 2022, 11:52:52 AMIf I remember right, the rules were that one of those channels had to be free in every area.
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but I remember having to turn the TV to channel 3 or 4 to watch a video tape or play games.
(OT: Has there ever been an area with both numbers being assigned to different stations? Probably not, because at least one channel would have to be free for those kind of things.)
I remember 3 being used on the cable system Tewksbury was a part of as a kid for one of the UHF stations (as far back as 40 years ago - and yes I had cable in 1982). We already had 2, 4, 5, and 7 all as VHF that just synced numbers from cable to broadcast. IIRC correctly, almost every area had channel 3 as the open signal. 37 for some reason was the open one on our cable system, and you always knew when someone had bootleg cable because every station 38 and up would be one number lower as it wouldn't skip 37.
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Post by: ran4sh on March 06, 2022, 05:53:39 PM
Post by: ran4sh on March 06, 2022, 05:53:39 PM
I don't think cable had the problem that the signal would interfere if you wanted to use the VCR or game console.
Of course, the switch itself can fail over time. Once my SNES was more than about 8-10 years old, I could always get a better picture by disconnecting the cable from the RF switch that the SNES signal goes through. But that was a problem that occurred regardless of whether it was set to channel 3 or 4.
Of course, the switch itself can fail over time. Once my SNES was more than about 8-10 years old, I could always get a better picture by disconnecting the cable from the RF switch that the SNES signal goes through. But that was a problem that occurred regardless of whether it was set to channel 3 or 4.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hotdogPi on March 06, 2022, 06:08:21 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on March 06, 2022, 06:08:21 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 06, 2022, 05:50:36 PM
37 for some reason was the open one on our cable system, and you always knew when someone had bootleg cable because every station 38 and up would be one number lower as it wouldn't skip 37.
Channel 37 cannot exist, as it interferes with radio astronomy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_37
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on March 06, 2022, 07:09:02 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 06, 2022, 07:09:02 PM
Our TVs always required tuning to channel 3 to use the VCR, which never had anything on it, as Oklahoma City's lowest broadcast channel is 4. As a kid, I never understood why they didn't allow you to tune the TV to channel 1 and have that be the VCR channel. (Of course these days, there's a totally separate "INPUT" selector that lets you choose between HDMI ports.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: J N Winkler on March 06, 2022, 07:29:52 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on March 06, 2022, 07:29:52 PM
In my area, Channels 3, 8, 10, and 12 were for NBC, PBS, ABC, and CBS respectively. Fox was on Channel 4, though I don't remember whether that happened before we got cable.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Dirt Roads on March 06, 2022, 07:37:26 PM
Post by: Dirt Roads on March 06, 2022, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 04, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but I remember having to turn the TV to channel 3 or 4 to watch a video tape or play games.
(OT: Has there ever been an area with both numbers being assigned to different stations? Probably not, because at least one channel would have to be free for those kind of things.)
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on March 06, 2022, 09:45:19 AM
If I remember right, the rules were that one of those channels had to be free in every area.
Quote from: vdeane on March 06, 2022, 05:32:30 PM
That's certainly true of broadcast (which couldn't use adjacent frequencies for the most part anyways due to interference), but I don't think it it/was for cable. I remember both 3 and 4 being used when I was growing up, although I think one of those just showed infomercials or was some kind of shopping station like QVC. The other was WGN. They might have swapped at one point, and I think WGN and ION occupied those stations for a time.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 06, 2022, 05:50:36 PM
I remember 3 being used on the cable system Tewksbury was a part of as a kid for one of the UHF stations (as far back as 40 years ago - and yes I had cable in 1982). We already had 2, 4, 5, and 7 all as VHF that just synced numbers from cable to broadcast. IIRC correctly, almost every area had channel 3 as the open signal. 37 for some reason was the open one on our cable system, and you always knew when someone had bootleg cable because every station 38 and up would be one number lower as it wouldn't skip 37.
Quote from: Henry on March 04, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
(OT: Has there ever been an area with both numbers being assigned to different stations? Probably not, because at least one channel would have to be free for those kind of things.)
Back in the 1970s when VCR output channels first arrived, we had problems with them in Putnam County, West Virginia. WSAZ broadcasts on Channel 3, but that transmitter was some 20 miles away near Milton. But we were only 2 miles as the crow flies from the transmitter for WCHS on Channel 8 (close enough to easily see the tower from our front porch in daylight). We didn't have a VCR in those days, but I had an original Magnavox Odyssey game console (you know, the one with the light gun that nobody could figure out how it worked?) When attached to the "Big TV" (16-inch) on top of the huge console stereo in the living room near the front door, there was no chance of using the Channel 3 switch and there was a lot of distortion on the Channel 4 switch. My folks relented and got me a 10-inch black-and-white that worked well in my bedrooom further away from the front of the house. The main rules were that I could play the Odyssey whenever I wanted to, but I could only watch TV when the Cincinnati Reds or the WVU Mountaineers were playing.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on March 06, 2022, 08:06:27 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 06, 2022, 08:06:27 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 06, 2022, 07:29:52 PM
In my area, Channels 3, 8, 10, and 12 were for NBC, PBS, ABC, and CBS respectively. Fox was on Channel 4, though I don't remember whether that happened before we got cable.
Around here the big three stations are 4, 5, and 9 for NBC, ABC, and CBS respectively, with PBS on 13. I remember my mother speaking of 4, 5, and 9 being the big three stations as if it were a universal constant. It just so happens that 4, 5, and 9 are major stations in Kansas City, where she grew up, as well. This appears to be entirely coincidental; there doesn't seem to be much of a pattern in what channels end up as the major ones, other than Kansas City and Oklahoma City are both somewhat unusual for not having anything on either 2 or 3.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on March 06, 2022, 08:12:28 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on March 06, 2022, 08:12:28 PM
The Twin Cities has
2 (PBS)
4 (CBS)
5 (ABC)
9 (FOX)
11 (NBC)
17 (secondary PBS)
29 (former FOX)
41 (ION?)
45 (independent channel loosely affiliated with the ABC)
2 (PBS)
4 (CBS)
5 (ABC)
9 (FOX)
11 (NBC)
17 (secondary PBS)
29 (former FOX)
41 (ION?)
45 (independent channel loosely affiliated with the ABC)
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Post by: abefroman329 on March 06, 2022, 08:18:44 PM
Post by: abefroman329 on March 06, 2022, 08:18:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2022, 09:58:09 AMMy 1999 Plymouth Neon had power windows for the front seats and manual windows for the back seats, and I have no earthly idea why.
When cars had an option of manual or power windows. They used to charge way more for the latter and most were standard in only Lincoln's and Cadillacs cause they were upscale autos and a crank wouldn't fit the model.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Bruce on March 06, 2022, 08:28:15 PM
Post by: Bruce on March 06, 2022, 08:28:15 PM
Seattle's list is fairly orderly:
2 - CBC
3 - ION
4 - ABC
5 - NBC
6/16 - NBC sister channel
7 - CBS
8 - PBS
10 - CW
11 - FOX sister channel
13 - FOX
2 - CBC
3 - ION
4 - ABC
5 - NBC
6/16 - NBC sister channel
7 - CBS
8 - PBS
10 - CW
11 - FOX sister channel
13 - FOX
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Post by: GCrites on March 06, 2022, 10:07:22 PM
Post by: GCrites on March 06, 2022, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on March 06, 2022, 05:53:39 PM
I don't think cable had the problem that the signal would interfere if you wanted to use the VCR or game console.
Of course, the switch itself can fail over time. Once my SNES was more than about 8-10 years old, I could always get a better picture by disconnecting the cable from the RF switch that the SNES signal goes through. But that was a problem that occurred regardless of whether it was set to channel 3 or 4.
I can tell you as a 10+ year game store owner that those RF adapters age out in very unpredictable and dissimilar ways. Some are just as good as the day they were made whereas others have so much snow that they are unusable. They wear out in a very analog manner. It doesn't matter who made it either -- Atari, Sega, Radio Shack, Nintendo, Sony.
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Post by: Rothman on March 06, 2022, 10:53:10 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 06, 2022, 10:53:10 PM
Nintendo's RF adapters sucked compared to Atari's.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: GenExpwy on March 07, 2022, 03:20:30 AM
Post by: GenExpwy on March 07, 2022, 03:20:30 AM
The minimum adjacent-channel spacing for VHF in the analog era was 60 miles (channels 4 and 5, although consecutive numbers, are not adjacent in the radio spectrum; likewise 6 and 7).
Looking at a map, and remembering what I do of the TV assignments, some of the closest 3-to-4 spacings seem to have been Sacramento — San Francisco and Madison — Milwaukee. A 3/4 RF switch probably would have been a small extra nuisance to someone living halfway between such pairs, who wanted to watch TV from both cities.
Looking at a map, and remembering what I do of the TV assignments, some of the closest 3-to-4 spacings seem to have been Sacramento — San Francisco and Madison — Milwaukee. A 3/4 RF switch probably would have been a small extra nuisance to someone living halfway between such pairs, who wanted to watch TV from both cities.
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Post by: Dirt Roads on March 07, 2022, 08:22:35 AM
Post by: Dirt Roads on March 07, 2022, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: GenExpwy on March 07, 2022, 03:20:30 AM
The minimum adjacent-channel spacing for VHF in the analog era was 60 miles (channels 4 and 5, although consecutive numbers, are not adjacent in the radio spectrum; likewise 6 and 7).
Looking at a map, and remembering what I do of the TV assignments, some of the closest 3-to-4 spacings seem to have been Sacramento — San Francisco and Madison — Milwaukee. A 3/4 RF switch probably would have been a small extra nuisance to someone living halfway between such pairs, who wanted to watch TV from both cities.
Hadn't thought about the spacing. The closest Channel 4 assignment to WSAZ in Huntington (original transmitter near Milton) is WOAY in Oak Hill, only about 80 miles as the crow flies. Of course, we were only about 15 miles from the old WSAZ transmitter.
Fun fact: In 1946, Robert Thomas sent an application to the FCC to request the call letters "WOAK" for his planned television station in Oak Hill, West Virginia (which arguably was then the most important city in southern West Virginia). The call letters came back as "WOAY" and folks at the FCC explained that they couldn't read his handwriting. Further investigation found that "WOAK" was indeed still available, but some still think that the recognizable "WOAK" was too valuable to give out to a small location in the middle of Appalachia.
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Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 07, 2022, 08:36:37 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 07, 2022, 08:36:37 AM
Chicago has a LOT of channels -
2 - CBS
5- NBC
7 - ABC
9 - Ind (WGN)
11 - PBS Chicago
20 - FNX (don't even know what this is)
26 - CW
32 - FOX
35 - TBN
38 - Ion
44 - Telemundo
50 - MNTV
54 - PBS NW IN
59 - Ind
60 - UniMas
62 - Ind
66 - Univision
2 - CBS
5- NBC
7 - ABC
9 - Ind (WGN)
11 - PBS Chicago
20 - FNX (don't even know what this is)
26 - CW
32 - FOX
35 - TBN
38 - Ion
44 - Telemundo
50 - MNTV
54 - PBS NW IN
59 - Ind
60 - UniMas
62 - Ind
66 - Univision
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on March 07, 2022, 08:48:03 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 07, 2022, 08:48:03 AM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on March 07, 2022, 08:22:35 AMQuote from: GenExpwy on March 07, 2022, 03:20:30 AM
The minimum adjacent-channel spacing for VHF in the analog era was 60 miles (channels 4 and 5, although consecutive numbers, are not adjacent in the radio spectrum; likewise 6 and 7).
Looking at a map, and remembering what I do of the TV assignments, some of the closest 3-to-4 spacings seem to have been Sacramento — San Francisco and Madison — Milwaukee. A 3/4 RF switch probably would have been a small extra nuisance to someone living halfway between such pairs, who wanted to watch TV from both cities.
Hadn't thought about the spacing. The closest Channel 4 assignment to WSAZ in Huntington (original transmitter near Milton) is WOAY in Oak Hill, only about 80 miles as the crow flies. Of course, we were only about 15 miles from the old WSAZ transmitter.
Fun fact: In 1946, Robert Thomas sent an application to the FCC to request the call letters "WOAK" for his planned television station in Oak Hill, West Virginia (which arguably was then the most important city in southern West Virginia). The call letters came back as "WOAY" and folks at the FCC explained that they couldn't read his handwriting. Further investigation found that "WOAK" was indeed still available, but some still think that the recognizable "WOAK" was too valuable to give out to a small location in the middle of Appalachia.
Nowadays, people would hear it as something else....
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Post by: kphoger on March 07, 2022, 10:16:42 AM
Post by: kphoger on March 07, 2022, 10:16:42 AM
When I was growing up in northwestern Kansas in the 1990s, channel 3 was Disney and channel 4 was ABC.
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Post by: GCrites on March 07, 2022, 11:20:43 AM
Post by: GCrites on March 07, 2022, 11:20:43 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 06, 2022, 10:53:10 PM
Nintendo's RF adapters sucked compared to Atari's.
From a durability standpoint, yes, but the Atari ones were manual and we still see bad ones. The Ataris didn't output a strong enough signal voltage to trigger the automatic ones.
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Post by: roadman65 on March 23, 2022, 07:49:10 PM
Post by: roadman65 on March 23, 2022, 07:49:10 PM
When you had to get up off the sofa and change the channel on a knob on the front of the television set. Remote controls were for those with money who could afford the luxury.
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Post by: hotdogPi on March 23, 2022, 07:51:29 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on March 23, 2022, 07:51:29 PM
This payphone (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7718269,-71.1152295,3a,75y,218.46h,83.59t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8J6I5p9gIFVc6ei0yxP2GA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D8J6I5p9gIFVc6ei0yxP2GA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D277.3717%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) still works (tested it with a toll-free number)... but the 9 key doesn't. For those unfamiliar with the area, the local area code is 978. The 8 key works but needs to be pushed hard.
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Post by: roadman65 on March 23, 2022, 08:21:23 PM
Post by: roadman65 on March 23, 2022, 08:21:23 PM
Oh yeah when 411 had a human being look up the address and/ or phone number for you.
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Post by: kkt on March 24, 2022, 03:12:09 AM
Post by: kkt on March 24, 2022, 03:12:09 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 23, 2022, 07:49:10 PM
When you had to get up off the sofa and change the channel on a knob on the front of the television set. Remote controls were for those with money who could afford the luxury.
Remote controls that were connected to the set by a long cord. But it's not all bad, at least the remote didn't get lost under the sofa cushions.
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Post by: catch22 on March 24, 2022, 09:55:19 AM
Post by: catch22 on March 24, 2022, 09:55:19 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 03, 2022, 02:18:24 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG/220px-Abort_Retry_Fail.PNG)
Also...
C:\>edit autoexec.bat
Some of use old fogies still have A: drives. ;)
This one has been used on three different machines as I upgraded PCs. Still works on Windows 10.
(https://i.imgur.com/IYOYm44.jpg)
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Post by: zachary_amaryllis on March 24, 2022, 10:37:44 AM
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on March 24, 2022, 10:37:44 AM
my windows installation has drives a: and b:, but they're mapped to network shares.
that being said, i do have a usb floppy drive that i use when recovering old data. I spent many days going through my dad's old floppies, and sometimes a neighbor has some old floppy that he can't read anymore.
that being said, i do have a usb floppy drive that i use when recovering old data. I spent many days going through my dad's old floppies, and sometimes a neighbor has some old floppy that he can't read anymore.
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Post by: kkt on March 24, 2022, 04:21:49 PM
Post by: kkt on March 24, 2022, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: catch22 on March 24, 2022, 09:55:19 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IYOYm44.jpg)
Wow. 8.3 all-caps filenames. I don't miss those.
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Post by: LilianaUwU on March 24, 2022, 04:41:24 PM
Post by: LilianaUwU on March 24, 2022, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 04, 2022, 11:52:52 AMI can't be that old, right? Because I recall doing so until around 2007. Then again, I come from an island in the middle of the Gulf of Saint Lawrence where dial-up Internet was common until 2003, so I don't know if that plays a role in the delay in technology.
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but I remember having to turn the TV to channel 3 or 4 to watch a video tape or play games.
(OT: Has there ever been an area with both numbers being assigned to different stations? Probably not, because at least one channel would have to be free for those kind of things.)
As for 3 and 4 being taken, channel 3 was Radio-Canada while channel 4 was TQS, which are both main channels, so I'm assuming cable frequencies differ from old antenna technology.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: GCrites on March 25, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
Post by: GCrites on March 25, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
Dialup was still common everywhere in 2003.
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Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2022, 11:58:03 AM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2022, 11:58:03 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on March 25, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
Dialup was still common everywhere in 2003.
Your online service had a minutes plan.
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Post by: formulanone on March 25, 2022, 12:02:43 PM
Post by: formulanone on March 25, 2022, 12:02:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2022, 11:58:03 AMQuote from: GCrites80s on March 25, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
Dialup was still common everywhere in 2003.
Your online service had a minutes plan.
Or hours; I remember that AOL and AT&T/BellSouth once offered up to 500 free hours per month (in its latter years) and wondered how anyone would use even half of that back then.
Now I wouldn't be surprised if I used 300 hours of data — it's not measured that way anymore — on my phone per month.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 25, 2022, 12:02:43 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2022, 11:58:03 AMQuote from: GCrites80s on March 25, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
Dialup was still common everywhere in 2003.
Your online service had a minutes plan.
I forget how Prodigy rated their plans but I believe they technically were by hour much like how AOL did it. Even in that era I don't know what the point of being online was if you were going to have to jump off super quick. The best things Prodigy had going was the chat rooms and bulletin boards, neither usually was a quick sit visit.
Or hours; I remember that AOL and AT&T/BellSouth once offered up to 500 free hours per month (in its latter years) and wondered how anyone would use even half of that back then.
Now I wouldn't be surprised if I used 300 hours of data — it's not measured that way anymore — on my phone per month.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Big John on March 25, 2022, 12:16:00 PM
Post by: Big John on March 25, 2022, 12:16:00 PM
Couldn't get online during peak hours as all the lines were busy.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Takumi on March 25, 2022, 08:09:01 PM
Post by: Takumi on March 25, 2022, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2022, 11:58:03 AMQuote from: GCrites80s on March 25, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
Dialup was still common everywhere in 2003.
Your online service had a minutes plan.
We had NetZero. Every 4 hours it would cut off and have a 10-minute cooldown period.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: webny99 on December 19, 2023, 10:48:22 AM
Post by: webny99 on December 19, 2023, 10:48:22 AM
The era when agentsteel53 was completely untouchable as the forum's most prolific poster and that "Likes the forum way, way too much" badge felt like an exclusive status he would maintain for decades.
Now, over 20 users have joined that club and he's on the cusp of tumbling right out of the top 10.
Now, over 20 users have joined that club and he's on the cusp of tumbling right out of the top 10.
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Post by: kphoger on December 19, 2023, 11:08:31 AM
Post by: kphoger on December 19, 2023, 11:08:31 AM
Quote from: webny99 on December 19, 2023, 10:48:22 AM
The era when agentsteel53 was completely untouchable as the forum's most prolific poster and that "Likes the forum way, way too much" badge felt like an exclusive status he would maintain for decades.
Now, over 20 users have joined that club and he's on the cusp of tumbling right out of the top 10.
Heh. I still have his number in my cell phone contacts, but I have no idea if it's even his number anymore. I've never texted him from the phone I own now.
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Post by: tmoore952 on February 02, 2024, 09:36:19 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 02, 2024, 09:36:19 PM
Richard Nixon resigning.
Gas at 30 cents a gallon.
I can raise my hand to both.
Gas at 30 cents a gallon.
I can raise my hand to both.
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Post by: kkt on February 02, 2024, 10:26:57 PM
Post by: kkt on February 02, 2024, 10:26:57 PM
The horrible 1968 election - the murder of presumptive Democratic nominee Robert Kennedy after primaries already started. The Chicago convention police riot. The upshot being that Nixon got to run against a candidate he could beat, when there were several stronger Democratic candidates available.
Apollo 8 orbiting the moon.
Tet 1968 - North Vietnam's spring offensive which succeeded (at great cost to them) in invading the U.S. Embassy in Saigon. Made a lot of the American public realize that maybe this wasn't a war we could win.
The My Lai Massacre of mostly women and children by American troops that made a lot of people realize this maybe was a war we shouldn't win.
Passing the Civil Rights Act.
The lotteries for the draft - not for me, I'm not that old!, but some of my uncles' fates depended on the lottery one year.
I remember gas at 25 cents. But that was a brief time and unusually low even then - gas price war.
The old Dumbarton bridge. (And sneaking onto the new Dumbarton bridge after the structure was complete and before it was officially open.)
The Internet before it carried ads. The first ad from a law firm to help immigrants get green cards.
CA 238 between I-580 and CA 17, before I-238 provided a freeway connection and it was dumped onto a very overcrowded boulevard with a traffic lights.
Leaded gasoline.
BART opening day.
The election that created and authorized taxes and bonds for BART and how stunned the establishment was that it actually passed.
One was quoted "If I thought the damned thing would pass, I never would have endorsed it!" I think it was the first new passenger rail system created in the USA since before WW II.
The occupation of Alcatraz.
Getting a whiff (which was more than enough) of tear gas from overreacting National Guard troops against protesters on the Berkeley campus, per overreacting Governor Reagan's orders. I was in the car on the street adjacent to campus being driven by my grandfather with other assorted family members. He told us to close all our windows and turn off the ventilation fan, but we still got a bit.
The evacuation of the U.S. embassy in Saigon - helicopters off the roof completely full, not enough space on the offshore aircraft carriers for all the helicopters so they just dropped many of them into the sea so there would be space for more of them coming in.
The Mother of All Demos - Englebart showing off a computer small enough to sit beside a desk, used by just a single person, with a memory-mapped screen that could display graphics as well as text, and windows with different things going on in different parts of the screen, a mouse, communicating with another computer in a remote location by network in real time. (I was not at the Demo, but read about it a couple of years later.) Compared to the batch oriented, card deck data processing systems of the early 1960s it was like seeing a century of progress in a day.
Apollo 8 orbiting the moon.
Tet 1968 - North Vietnam's spring offensive which succeeded (at great cost to them) in invading the U.S. Embassy in Saigon. Made a lot of the American public realize that maybe this wasn't a war we could win.
The My Lai Massacre of mostly women and children by American troops that made a lot of people realize this maybe was a war we shouldn't win.
Passing the Civil Rights Act.
The lotteries for the draft - not for me, I'm not that old!, but some of my uncles' fates depended on the lottery one year.
I remember gas at 25 cents. But that was a brief time and unusually low even then - gas price war.
The old Dumbarton bridge. (And sneaking onto the new Dumbarton bridge after the structure was complete and before it was officially open.)
The Internet before it carried ads. The first ad from a law firm to help immigrants get green cards.
CA 238 between I-580 and CA 17, before I-238 provided a freeway connection and it was dumped onto a very overcrowded boulevard with a traffic lights.
Leaded gasoline.
BART opening day.
The election that created and authorized taxes and bonds for BART and how stunned the establishment was that it actually passed.
One was quoted "If I thought the damned thing would pass, I never would have endorsed it!" I think it was the first new passenger rail system created in the USA since before WW II.
The occupation of Alcatraz.
Getting a whiff (which was more than enough) of tear gas from overreacting National Guard troops against protesters on the Berkeley campus, per overreacting Governor Reagan's orders. I was in the car on the street adjacent to campus being driven by my grandfather with other assorted family members. He told us to close all our windows and turn off the ventilation fan, but we still got a bit.
The evacuation of the U.S. embassy in Saigon - helicopters off the roof completely full, not enough space on the offshore aircraft carriers for all the helicopters so they just dropped many of them into the sea so there would be space for more of them coming in.
The Mother of All Demos - Englebart showing off a computer small enough to sit beside a desk, used by just a single person, with a memory-mapped screen that could display graphics as well as text, and windows with different things going on in different parts of the screen, a mouse, communicating with another computer in a remote location by network in real time. (I was not at the Demo, but read about it a couple of years later.) Compared to the batch oriented, card deck data processing systems of the early 1960s it was like seeing a century of progress in a day.
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Post by: tmoore952 on February 02, 2024, 10:43:08 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 02, 2024, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 02, 2024, 10:26:57 PM
The lotteries for the draft - not for me, I'm not that old!, but some of my uncles' fates depended on the lottery one year.
Ditto for my older brother.
I don't remember this clearly --- it's just a little bit too early for me. I do remember other things from around that time, but not that specific day.
He told me about a decade later about having bad dreams the night before the lottery.
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Post by: bing101 on February 02, 2024, 11:08:15 PM
Post by: bing101 on February 02, 2024, 11:08:15 PM
When talking about the 49ers in the Super Bowl didn't turn into politics and of course because Joe Montana was the star at that time.
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Post by: tmoore952 on February 02, 2024, 11:33:45 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 02, 2024, 11:33:45 PM
Esso gas stations in the U.S. (before they became Exxon).
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Post by: dlsterner on February 03, 2024, 05:47:10 PM
Post by: dlsterner on February 03, 2024, 05:47:10 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 02, 2024, 11:33:45 PM
Esso gas stations in the U.S. (before they became Exxon).
As well as Enco gas stations (predominately in the south, with Esso being in the north)
In 2015 I did see a station still branded as "Esso" in Ontario (Canada). Stopped there, both because I needed gas, and because I can claim gassing up at an Esso.
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Post by: tmoore952 on February 04, 2024, 11:56:49 AM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 04, 2024, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on February 03, 2024, 05:47:10 PMQuote from: tmoore952 on February 02, 2024, 11:33:45 PM
Esso gas stations in the U.S. (before they became Exxon).
As well as Enco gas stations (predominately in the south, with Esso being in the north)
In 2015 I did see a station still branded as "Esso" in Ontario (Canada). Stopped there, both because I needed gas, and because I can claim gassing up at an Esso.
Name changed from Esso to Exxon in 1972 (US only) when Esso bought the Humble Oil Company.
One of my favorite pre-digital photos I took was of an Esso sign just over the Canadian border from Fort Kent, ME in the province of New Brunswick. I did not stop there though, since I have memories of (parents) stopping at Esso when it existed in the US.
I know Esso (said as "s" "o") stood for Standard Oil. I'm not sure if the Humble Oil purchase forced the name change to Exxon, haven't found any info about that. Although I do remember this change happening by virtue of seeing the signs change, I am too young to have read or understood the details of the sale when it happened.
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Post by: bwana39 on February 05, 2024, 01:40:17 AM
Post by: bwana39 on February 05, 2024, 01:40:17 AM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 04, 2024, 11:56:49 AMStandard of New Jersey bought HALF of Humble in 1919 and the rest in 1959.
Name changed from Esso to Exxon in 1972 (US only) when Esso bought the Humble Oil Company.
SO-NJ had operated under a hodgepodge of names including ESSO, Humble, and ENCO (ENCO was primarily to get around the regional distribution rules imposed on ESSO during the Standard Oil breakup.)
In 1973 Humble Oil and Refining Company (the gasoline and lubricants marketing arm of SO-NJ) Had expanded into much of the United States. They decided to get away from regional restrictions (in the US) of use of the name "ESSO" and market using a single name throughout the US. SO-NJ became EXXON Corporation. The gasoline and lubricants subsidiary (Humble Oil....) became EXXON Company USA.
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Post by: bwana39 on February 05, 2024, 01:42:45 AM
Post by: bwana39 on February 05, 2024, 01:42:45 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on March 25, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
Dialup was still common everywhere in 2003.
I got DSL at work in 1998 we upgraded to T1 in 2000.
We got DSL at home in 2002.
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Post by: bwana39 on February 05, 2024, 01:45:32 AM
Post by: bwana39 on February 05, 2024, 01:45:32 AM
Full Service ONLY at every station.
A/M radio was king.
Coin Phone Booths
Gas stations had MINIMAL items beyond gas and oil.
3 Speed on the column.
Ramblers
A/M radio was king.
Coin Phone Booths
Gas stations had MINIMAL items beyond gas and oil.
3 Speed on the column.
Ramblers
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Post by: roadman65 on February 05, 2024, 04:21:31 AM
Post by: roadman65 on February 05, 2024, 04:21:31 AM
When you had to wait till the weekends to see and talk soup with your friends as cell phones were a fantasy of the future.
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Post by: thenetwork on February 05, 2024, 09:13:33 AM
Post by: thenetwork on February 05, 2024, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: bwana39 on February 05, 2024, 01:45:32 AM
Full Service ONLY at every station.
At the beginning of the year, we lost our last & only Service Station with Full Service pumps (they had self service as well) and a repair garage. In our part of the country, ANY gas station with an in-house repair shop and/or Full Service pumps is a rarity indeed.
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Post by: roadman65 on February 05, 2024, 09:24:52 AM
Post by: roadman65 on February 05, 2024, 09:24:52 AM
The use of Filling Station. All the old shows would use that term instead of gas station. In fact growing up I used to think Goober on Andy Griffith worked for Phillips 66 as filling does sound close to Phillips.
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Post by: tmoore952 on February 05, 2024, 09:32:23 AM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 05, 2024, 09:32:23 AM
Quote from: bwana39 on February 05, 2024, 01:40:17 AMYou should write for the erroneous Internet information places I got my info from.Quote from: tmoore952 on February 04, 2024, 11:56:49 AMStandard of New Jersey bought HALF of Humble in 1919 and the rest in 1959.
Name changed from Esso to Exxon in 1972 (US only) when Esso bought the Humble Oil Company.
SO-NJ had operated under a hodgepodge of names including ESSO, Humble, and ENCO (ENCO was primarily to get around the regional distribution rules imposed on ESSO during the Standard Oil breakup.)
In 1973 Humble Oil and Refining Company (the gasoline and lubricants marketing arm of SO-NJ) Had expanded into much of the United States. They decided to get away from regional restrictions (in the US) of use of the name "ESSO" and market using a single name throughout the US. SO-NJ became EXXON Corporation. The gasoline and lubricants subsidiary (Humble Oil....) became EXXON Company USA.
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Post by: Scott5114 on February 05, 2024, 09:38:11 AM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 05, 2024, 09:38:11 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2024, 04:21:31 AM
When you had to wait till the weekends to see and talk soup with your friends as cell phones were a fantasy of the future.
I remember I couldn't wait to get to school on Monday morning and tell everyone about the tomato basil I had on Saturday night.
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Post by: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
Post by: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
Parking meters that take coins smaller than quarters and coin-op phone calls costing 10¢.
Mike
Mike
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Post by: kkt on February 05, 2024, 11:07:34 AM
Post by: kkt on February 05, 2024, 11:07:34 AM
2nd run and repertory movie theatres. It was fun seeing the films in an audience. I suppose if VHS and disc sale or rental hadn't killed them off, the pandemic would have.
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Post by: tmoore952 on February 05, 2024, 06:29:37 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 05, 2024, 06:29:37 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
Parking meters that take coins smaller than quarters and coin-op phone calls costing 10¢.
Mike
Jim Croce "Operator" 1972
"...and you can keep the dime"
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Post by: kkt on February 05, 2024, 10:53:36 PM
Post by: kkt on February 05, 2024, 10:53:36 PM
"It's your dime, start talking!"
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Post by: formulanone on February 06, 2024, 07:53:11 PM
Post by: formulanone on February 06, 2024, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 05, 2024, 11:07:34 AM
2nd run and repertory movie theatres. It was fun seeing the films in an audience. I suppose if VHS and disc sale or rental hadn't killed them off, the pandemic would have.
Ironically, I passed by one showing 1980's movies in Hiawassee, Georgia in mid-2020...probably because nothing else new was being distributed at the time.
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Post by: kkt on February 06, 2024, 08:06:48 PM
Post by: kkt on February 06, 2024, 08:06:48 PM
I'm surprised it was open at all in mid 2020.
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Post by: SSOWorld on February 06, 2024, 08:35:09 PM
Post by: SSOWorld on February 06, 2024, 08:35:09 PM
Dentists not wearing PPE.
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Post by: kkt on February 06, 2024, 11:47:41 PM
Post by: kkt on February 06, 2024, 11:47:41 PM
Dental X-ray photos taken on film that had to be developed over a couple of days, instead of digital cameras and images available instantly.
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Post by: 1995hoo on February 07, 2024, 07:47:56 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 07, 2024, 07:47:56 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
Parking meters that take coins smaller than quarters and coin-op phone calls costing 10¢.
Mike
When everyone was outraged about stamps going up to 15¢.
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Post by: wanderer2575 on February 07, 2024, 09:09:27 AM
Post by: wanderer2575 on February 07, 2024, 09:09:27 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 06, 2024, 08:35:09 PM
Dentists not wearing PPE.
Rinse and spit!
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Post by: frankenroad on February 07, 2024, 01:52:33 PM
Post by: frankenroad on February 07, 2024, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 07, 2024, 07:47:56 AMQuote from: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
Parking meters that take coins smaller than quarters and coin-op phone calls costing 10¢.
Mike
When everyone was outraged about stamps going up to 15¢.
Ha, I remember when they went from 3 cents to 4 cents. Probably around 1964. My first "paid" job as a kid was to deliver mail for my parents (grocery bill, dentist bill, etc.) since we lived within walking distance. My dad paid me what he would have spent on stamps. That's probably the only time in my life I got a 33% raise!
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Post by: Rothman on February 07, 2024, 11:38:21 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 07, 2024, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: frankenroad on February 07, 2024, 01:52:33 PMYou are too old.Quote from: 1995hoo on February 07, 2024, 07:47:56 AMQuote from: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
Parking meters that take coins smaller than quarters and coin-op phone calls costing 10¢.
Mike
When everyone was outraged about stamps going up to 15¢.
Ha, I remember when they went from 3 cents to 4 cents. Probably around 1964. My first "paid" job as a kid was to deliver mail for my parents (grocery bill, dentist bill, etc.) since we lived within walking distance. My dad paid me what he would have spent on stamps. That's probably the only time in my life I got a 33% raise!
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Post by: GenExpwy on February 08, 2024, 05:24:17 AM
Post by: GenExpwy on February 08, 2024, 05:24:17 AM
Quote from: frankenroad on February 07, 2024, 01:52:33 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 07, 2024, 07:47:56 AMQuote from: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
Parking meters that take coins smaller than quarters and coin-op phone calls costing 10¢.
Mike
When everyone was outraged about stamps going up to 15¢.
Ha, I remember when they went from 3 cents to 4 cents. Probably around 1964. My first "paid" job as a kid was to deliver mail for my parents (grocery bill, dentist bill, etc.) since we lived within walking distance. My dad paid me what he would have spent on stamps. That's probably the only time in my life I got a 33% raise!
3¢ → 4¢ August 1, 1958
4¢ → 5¢ January 7, 1963
5¢ → 6¢ January 7, 1968
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Post by: ran4sh on February 08, 2024, 07:36:16 AM
Post by: ran4sh on February 08, 2024, 07:36:16 AM
I was watching a gaming live stream where the streamer is only 20 years old, and the streamer didn't know what Minesweeper is (the computer game)
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Post by: MikieTimT on February 08, 2024, 08:08:57 AM
Post by: MikieTimT on February 08, 2024, 08:08:57 AM
when either my brother or I would have to get up from the bunk bed or bean bags and turn the channel knob on our 11" black and white TV in our bedroom, then proceed to move the rabbit ears to reduce the snow and crackle of the reception it was capable of.
when turning 16 getting my first job in a supermarket that paid the minimum wage of $3.35/hr. Thankfully, my work ethic got me a raise a few months later, but the money kept the car gassed and insured a lot better than the previous job of mowing lawns for family members did.
when a teenager was expected to have a job at all.
when turning 16 getting my first job in a supermarket that paid the minimum wage of $3.35/hr. Thankfully, my work ethic got me a raise a few months later, but the money kept the car gassed and insured a lot better than the previous job of mowing lawns for family members did.
when a teenager was expected to have a job at all.
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Post by: Scott5114 on February 08, 2024, 08:20:26 AM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 08, 2024, 08:20:26 AM
Quote from: MikieTimT on February 08, 2024, 08:08:57 AM
when a teenager was expected to have a job at all.
Teenagers had way less homework they were expected to do then. When I was a teenager in the 2000s I usually had about four hours' worth. I only managed to hold a job and get it done by resorting to...extraordinary measures.
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Post by: kphoger on February 08, 2024, 10:12:34 AM
Post by: kphoger on February 08, 2024, 10:12:34 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
Parking meters that take coins smaller than quarters
:hmm: Parking meters here in Wichita accept nickels, dimes, and quarters.
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Post by: J N Winkler on February 08, 2024, 01:12:48 PM
Post by: J N Winkler on February 08, 2024, 01:12:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 08, 2024, 10:12:34 AMQuote from: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AMParking meters that take coins smaller than quarters
:hmm: Parking meters here in Wichita accept nickels, dimes, and quarters.
For now, yes. The city is working on a plan that will eventually require a smartphone app (or use of a pay-and-display machine) to pay for parking in metered spaces. There was a controversy last year when a early phase in the plan resulted in the minimum charge going from ten cents to five dollars for the spaces that people park in for performances at Century II.
Personally, I have little confidence that this plan won't cause more problems than it solves. Similar systems in Detroit and St. Louis have led me to parking in spaces that are either not metered at all or where metering is not in effect at the time I am parking, just to avoid hassling with payment. Parking will also be more expensive overall since a large part of the cost consists of paying a private company to take our money. However, this scheme has the support of influential movers and shakers who cite it as key to downtown revitalization efforts.
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Post by: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 01:34:58 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 01:34:58 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 08, 2024, 01:12:48 PMHow dare Wichita adopt a system like those that have been implemented in hundreds of urban areas of all sizes, from Boston to Syracuse to San Francisco?Quote from: kphoger on February 08, 2024, 10:12:34 AMQuote from: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AMParking meters that take coins smaller than quarters
:hmm: Parking meters here in Wichita accept nickels, dimes, and quarters.
For now, yes. The city is working on a plan that will eventually require a smartphone app (or use of a pay-and-display machine) to pay for parking in metered spaces. There was a controversy last year when a early phase in the plan resulted in the minimum charge going from ten cents to five dollars for the spaces that people park in for performances at Century II.
Personally, I have little confidence that this plan won't cause more problems than it solves. Similar systems in Detroit and St. Louis have led me to parking in spaces that are either not metered at all or where metering is not in effect at the time I am parking, just to avoid hassling with payment. Parking will also be more expensive overall since a large part of the cost consists of paying a private company to take our money. However, this scheme has the support of influential movers and shakers who cite it as key to downtown revitalization efforts.
The apocalypse didn't occur there, so I wouldn't worry about doomsday scenarios just by installing a parking system that allow payment by app.
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Post by: kphoger on February 08, 2024, 01:37:19 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 08, 2024, 01:37:19 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 01:34:58 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on February 08, 2024, 01:12:48 PM
require
allow
Those are not synonyms.
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Post by: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 01:39:30 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 01:39:30 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 08, 2024, 01:37:19 PMPfft. You're just arguing to argue, now.Quote from: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 01:34:58 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on February 08, 2024, 01:12:48 PM
require
allow
Those are not synonyms.
See Winkler's post again, particulary the parenthetical part...
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Post by: mgk920 on February 08, 2024, 01:53:31 PM
Post by: mgk920 on February 08, 2024, 01:53:31 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 08, 2024, 01:12:48 PMQuote from: kphoger on February 08, 2024, 10:12:34 AMQuote from: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AMParking meters that take coins smaller than quarters
:hmm: Parking meters here in Wichita accept nickels, dimes, and quarters.
For now, yes. The city is working on a plan that will eventually require a smartphone app (or use of a pay-and-display machine) to pay for parking in metered spaces. There was a controversy last year when a early phase in the plan resulted in the minimum charge going from ten cents to five dollars for the spaces that people park in for performances at Century II.
Personally, I have little confidence that this plan won't cause more problems than it solves. Similar systems in Detroit and St. Louis have led me to parking in spaces that are either not metered at all or where metering is not in effect at the time I am parking, just to avoid hassling with payment. Parking will also be more expensive overall since a large part of the cost consists of paying a private company to take our money. However, this scheme has the support of influential movers and shakers who cite it as key to downtown revitalization efforts.
Appleton tried and has already gotten rid of a central paybox system in a few places, they were not popular and difficult for many to figure out. Appleton also eliminated meters taking coins below quarters by the 1990s, They now take quarters and dollars, as well as using a city cell phone app.
Mike
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Post by: 1995hoo on February 08, 2024, 02:48:47 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 08, 2024, 02:48:47 PM
The Parkmobile system used as an option in Washington, DC, allows—or, at least, used to allow—people who don't have smartphones to pay over the phone by calling a number to make payment. I don't know whether that option still exists because I've never used it—I have the Parkmobile app, but I haven't parked on a meter in DC in quite a few years, probably not since they eliminated the 12-hour meters back where Audi Field is now. I used to park back there to go to Nats games.
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Post by: frankenroad on February 08, 2024, 04:02:30 PM
Post by: frankenroad on February 08, 2024, 04:02:30 PM
Quote from: GenExpwy on February 08, 2024, 05:24:17 AMQuote from: frankenroad on February 07, 2024, 01:52:33 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 07, 2024, 07:47:56 AMQuote from: mgk920 on February 05, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
Parking meters that take coins smaller than quarters and coin-op phone calls costing 10¢.
Mike
When everyone was outraged about stamps going up to 15¢.
Ha, I remember when they went from 3 cents to 4 cents. Probably around 1964. My first "paid" job as a kid was to deliver mail for my parents (grocery bill, dentist bill, etc.) since we lived within walking distance. My dad paid me what he would have spent on stamps. That's probably the only time in my life I got a 33% raise!
3¢ → 4¢ August 1, 1958
4¢ → 5¢ January 7, 1963
5¢ → 6¢ January 7, 1968
If this is accurate (and I assume it is), I must be remembering the 4c to 5c jump as I was not even 2 in August of 58. So I guess my raise was only 25%.
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Post by: JayhawkCO on February 08, 2024, 04:05:15 PM
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 08, 2024, 04:05:15 PM
The earliest I remember is a $0.26 -> $0.29 jump.
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Post by: roadman65 on February 08, 2024, 04:27:03 PM
Post by: roadman65 on February 08, 2024, 04:27:03 PM
10 cents stamps.
8 track tapes.
Beta camcorder tapes.
Taking pride in buying your own car stereos and installing them yourself
8 track tapes.
Beta camcorder tapes.
Taking pride in buying your own car stereos and installing them yourself
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Post by: JayhawkCO on February 08, 2024, 04:30:51 PM
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 08, 2024, 04:30:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 08, 2024, 04:27:03 PM
Taking pride in buying your own car stereos and installing them yourself
That I did as recently as 10 years ago. And I'm thinking about doing it again soon.
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Post by: GCrites on February 08, 2024, 08:53:10 PM
Post by: GCrites on February 08, 2024, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on February 08, 2024, 07:36:16 AM
I was watching a gaming live stream where the streamer is only 20 years old, and the streamer didn't know what Minesweeper is (the computer game)
Why? Did some "oldster" (over 30) accidentally call Minecraft "Minesweeper?"
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Post by: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 09:29:25 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 09:29:25 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 08, 2024, 08:53:10 PM"You are correct, sir!" -- Ed McMahon.Quote from: ran4sh on February 08, 2024, 07:36:16 AM
I was watching a gaming live stream where the streamer is only 20 years old, and the streamer didn't know what Minesweeper is (the computer game)
Why? Did some "oldster" (over 30) accidentally call Minecraft "Minesweeper?"
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Post by: thenetwork on February 09, 2024, 11:19:49 AM
Post by: thenetwork on February 09, 2024, 11:19:49 AM
Candy bars -- .15 - .20/each
Baseball card packs (7 cards + 1 stick bubblegum) -- .10/pack.
Baseball card packs (7 cards + 1 stick bubblegum) -- .10/pack.
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Post by: kphoger on February 09, 2024, 12:57:01 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 09, 2024, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 08, 2024, 02:48:47 PM
The Parkmobile system used as an option in Washington, DC, allows—or, at least, used to allow—people who don't have smartphones to pay over the phone by calling a number to make payment. I don't know whether that option still exists because I've never used it—I have the Parkmobile app, but I haven't parked on a meter in DC in quite a few years, probably not since they eliminated the 12-hour meters back where Audi Field is now. I used to park back there to go to Nats games.
That's a good option. I was imagining a tourist in from out of state driving to a museum downtown and having to download a smartphone app from a city he doesn't even live in.
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Post by: Sctvhound on February 09, 2024, 11:41:35 PM
Post by: Sctvhound on February 09, 2024, 11:41:35 PM
Going back to the 1990s...
- TV rental stores. You used to be able to rent a VCR or a television for a week or two weeks for sporting events or whatever you wanted to.
- It was a huge deal when Walmart added food to their stores.
- Even small-market newspapers were hundreds of pages on Sundays because of all the circulars and added features
- People only wore sweatpants inside the house
- Most people paid cash or check at the grocery store or at a fast-food place
- Almost everyone dressed up to go to church and attendance (at least in my part of SC) was extremely high
- Coffee shops weren't really a thing in the Southern part of the US
Going from one part of a state to another seemed like a different culture more even in a smaller state like South Carolina. Like how Columbia had Rich's department stores, and Bell Atlantic telephone service while Charleston did not. It definitely was when you anything outside of 20 miles you had to pay to call in the pre-cell phone era.
- TV rental stores. You used to be able to rent a VCR or a television for a week or two weeks for sporting events or whatever you wanted to.
- It was a huge deal when Walmart added food to their stores.
- Even small-market newspapers were hundreds of pages on Sundays because of all the circulars and added features
- People only wore sweatpants inside the house
- Most people paid cash or check at the grocery store or at a fast-food place
- Almost everyone dressed up to go to church and attendance (at least in my part of SC) was extremely high
- Coffee shops weren't really a thing in the Southern part of the US
Going from one part of a state to another seemed like a different culture more even in a smaller state like South Carolina. Like how Columbia had Rich's department stores, and Bell Atlantic telephone service while Charleston did not. It definitely was when you anything outside of 20 miles you had to pay to call in the pre-cell phone era.
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Post by: dlsterner on February 10, 2024, 12:23:24 AM
Post by: dlsterner on February 10, 2024, 12:23:24 AM
Here's some I can think of from my childhood.
Television:
• Having a 25" console TV that was like a piece of furniture - and it was Black and White, not Color.
• Being able to receive only three stations - NBC, CBS, ABC.
• Some people had motorized antennas that could be rotated to get optimal reception. Others just had "rabbit ears" to adjust.
• Being able to watch exactly one baseball game a week - the Saturday afternoon Game Of The Week on NBC. If you were lucky, they were showing a team you wanted to watch.
Telephone:
• Party lines. Didn't really understand the concept at that age, but only specific ring patterns were to be answered.
• Phone numbers with an exchange - our number was "Kimball 8-xxxx" as opposed to "548-xxxx". And area codes rarely specified since everybody within 100 miles had the same one.
• Having to interact with the Operator when making a long distance phone call.
Vacation Travel:
• The Interstate Highway system was still incomplete, so occasionally we had to get off the Interstate onto the parallel US Highway until the Interstate resumed again.
• Full Serve service stations, including engine oil check and windshield washing. And having to get a key from the office to use the (usually nasty) rest room around the side.
• The humongous vintage Holiday Inn signs that you could see from miles away. That was the only place we ever stayed, after some bad experiences with "mom & pop" motels.
• When on the road, only ate at Stuckey's - nothing else tended to be visible from the Interstate.
Television:
• Having a 25" console TV that was like a piece of furniture - and it was Black and White, not Color.
• Being able to receive only three stations - NBC, CBS, ABC.
• Some people had motorized antennas that could be rotated to get optimal reception. Others just had "rabbit ears" to adjust.
• Being able to watch exactly one baseball game a week - the Saturday afternoon Game Of The Week on NBC. If you were lucky, they were showing a team you wanted to watch.
Telephone:
• Party lines. Didn't really understand the concept at that age, but only specific ring patterns were to be answered.
• Phone numbers with an exchange - our number was "Kimball 8-xxxx" as opposed to "548-xxxx". And area codes rarely specified since everybody within 100 miles had the same one.
• Having to interact with the Operator when making a long distance phone call.
Vacation Travel:
• The Interstate Highway system was still incomplete, so occasionally we had to get off the Interstate onto the parallel US Highway until the Interstate resumed again.
• Full Serve service stations, including engine oil check and windshield washing. And having to get a key from the office to use the (usually nasty) rest room around the side.
• The humongous vintage Holiday Inn signs that you could see from miles away. That was the only place we ever stayed, after some bad experiences with "mom & pop" motels.
• When on the road, only ate at Stuckey's - nothing else tended to be visible from the Interstate.
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Post by: Rothman on February 10, 2024, 09:32:40 AM
Post by: Rothman on February 10, 2024, 09:32:40 AM
Quote from: Sctvhound on February 09, 2024, 11:41:35 PM
- People only wore sweatpants inside the house
Took me two seconds to understand what you meant by this. It's not like everyone changed into sweatpants when they came home... :D
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Post by: 1995hoo on February 10, 2024, 10:05:51 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 10, 2024, 10:05:51 AM
I do remember some people (not many) wearing sweatpants to high school in the late 1980s. I tried it one time. Didn't do it again for several reasons.
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Post by: tmoore952 on February 10, 2024, 10:24:56 AM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 10, 2024, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 10, 2024, 10:05:51 AMNever tried it when I was in school (1970s-80s). Thought it would not be looked upon kindly by the older teachers. And I wouldn't have felt like I was properly dressed.
I do remember some people (not many) wearing sweatpants to high school in the late 1980s. I tried it one time. Didn't do it again for several reasons.
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Post by: GCrites on February 10, 2024, 11:12:40 AM
Post by: GCrites on February 10, 2024, 11:12:40 AM
Every once in a while you saw people in the '80s wearing sweatpants and flip flops but that was a sign they were in deep poverty.
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Post by: GCrites on February 10, 2024, 11:29:09 AM
Post by: GCrites on February 10, 2024, 11:29:09 AM
Quote from: Sctvhound on February 09, 2024, 11:41:35 PM
Going from one part of a state to another seemed like a different culture more even in a smaller state like South Carolina. Like how Columbia had Rich's department stores, and Bell Atlantic telephone service while Charleston did not. It definitely was when you anything outside of 20 miles you had to pay to call in the pre-cell phone era.
Road trips were more interesting when you saw all the different types of businesses as you traveled further. It wasn't just McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, Comfort Inn and Walmart everywhere.
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Post by: Rothman on February 10, 2024, 06:41:32 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 10, 2024, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 10, 2024, 10:05:51 AM
I do remember some people (not many) wearing sweatpants to high school in the late 1980s. I tried it one time. Didn't do it again for several reasons.
Oopsie.
Yeah, I remember people wearing sweats in school being looked down upon.
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Post by: Road Hog on February 10, 2024, 07:58:36 PM
Post by: Road Hog on February 10, 2024, 07:58:36 PM
I rang up exactly 50 cents on long distance charges on my aunt's phone once and she lost her schizz.
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Post by: Big John on February 10, 2024, 08:16:54 PM
Post by: Big John on February 10, 2024, 08:16:54 PM
Wing windows on cars for ventilation before air conditioning was standard.
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/round-wing-mirror-vent-window-classic-car-detail-featuring-driver-s-side-also-known-as-side-view-fender-74208077.jpg)
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/round-wing-mirror-vent-window-classic-car-detail-featuring-driver-s-side-also-known-as-side-view-fender-74208077.jpg)
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Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 10, 2024, 09:25:13 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 10, 2024, 09:25:13 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 10, 2024, 08:16:54 PM
Wing windows on cars for ventilation before air conditioning was standard.
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/round-wing-mirror-vent-window-classic-car-detail-featuring-driver-s-side-also-known-as-side-view-fender-74208077.jpg)
I remember them, Ford still offered them as an option in the 1980s with the Escort, Fairmont, LTD like this 1985 Escort wagon. https://barnfinds.com/woodgrain-survivor-1985-ford-escort-squire/
Btw, is someone remember the 4-door hardtop sedan?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/2896/14816823883_705c86023b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ozj6wK)1975 Chevrolet Impala 4 door hardtop (https://flic.kr/p/ozj6wK) by Richard Spiegelman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/carphotosbyrichard/), on Flickr
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Post by: Road Hog on February 10, 2024, 09:32:26 PM
Post by: Road Hog on February 10, 2024, 09:32:26 PM
Those land yachts were still around well into the 1990s. I never got to own one but I would test drive them at my dad's dealership time and again. They would squeal tires all day long but you were lucky to get MPGs tickling double digits. I regret not buying and mothballing one to today.
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Post by: Sctvhound on February 10, 2024, 10:43:01 PM
Post by: Sctvhound on February 10, 2024, 10:43:01 PM
Even on long distance, at least in the Southeast, you only had a 3 or 4 state long-distance calling plan and you had to pay extra for a nationwide plan. I remember it was South Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, and part of Virginia with SunCom. This was in the mid 2000s. They got bought out by T-Mobile.
And if you went anywhere in a rural area, you lost your signal.
Talking about different cultures, radio and television markets used to play a huge part. Even going 50 or 75 miles from a major city it felt like things were much slower 20-25 years ago. Some markets felt 10-20 years behind of others because of music and other trends.
If you were in a rural area with a terrible cable system or nothing at all, you were stuck listening to popular radio to get your music and had to watch one of the big 3/4 networks or one of the 5-10 major cable networks everyone had to see what was going on.
Now you could be in Antarctica and still be able to listen to your favorite niche music or podcast/whatever.
And if you went anywhere in a rural area, you lost your signal.
Talking about different cultures, radio and television markets used to play a huge part. Even going 50 or 75 miles from a major city it felt like things were much slower 20-25 years ago. Some markets felt 10-20 years behind of others because of music and other trends.
If you were in a rural area with a terrible cable system or nothing at all, you were stuck listening to popular radio to get your music and had to watch one of the big 3/4 networks or one of the 5-10 major cable networks everyone had to see what was going on.
Now you could be in Antarctica and still be able to listen to your favorite niche music or podcast/whatever.
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Post by: GCrites on February 11, 2024, 11:28:29 AM
Post by: GCrites on February 11, 2024, 11:28:29 AM
They say that's why Columbia House's 12 CDs for 1 cent promotion cleaned up in rural areas.
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Post by: Rothman on February 11, 2024, 11:43:29 AM
Post by: Rothman on February 11, 2024, 11:43:29 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 11, 2024, 11:28:29 AMEesh. They were terrible given the selection available.
They say that's why Columbia House's 12 CDs for 1 cent promotion cleaned up in rural areas.
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Post by: 1995hoo on February 12, 2024, 07:44:37 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 12, 2024, 07:44:37 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 11, 2024, 11:28:29 AM
They say that's why Columbia House's 12 CDs for 1 cent promotion cleaned up in rural areas.
Heh. Consistent with the thread's title, one could consider whether one remembers Columbia House offering record, tapes, and 8-tracks! (They even offered reel-to-reel tape, but I don't ever remember seeing that advertised.)
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Post by: GaryV on February 12, 2024, 08:15:24 AM
Post by: GaryV on February 12, 2024, 08:15:24 AM
Mickey Mouse at halftime.
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Post by: 1995hoo on February 12, 2024, 09:29:30 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 12, 2024, 09:29:30 AM
The Columbia House mentions prompted me to remember the ever-popular commercial from the late 1980s. TURN IT UP, MAN!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3CnvphQs04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3CnvphQs04
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Post by: Takumi on February 12, 2024, 12:41:38 PM
Post by: Takumi on February 12, 2024, 12:41:38 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 11, 2024, 11:43:29 AMQuote from: GCrites80s on February 11, 2024, 11:28:29 AMEesh. They were terrible given the selection available.
They say that's why Columbia House's 12 CDs for 1 cent promotion cleaned up in rural areas.
I remember a 90s sitcom, I think Home Improvment, mentioning it, to which one of the kids replied "that's great, but who's Pat Boone?"
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Post by: Life in Paradise on February 12, 2024, 12:45:18 PM
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 12, 2024, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 12, 2024, 09:29:30 AM
The Columbia House mentions prompted me to remember the ever-popular commercial from the late 1980s. TURN IT UP, MAN!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3CnvphQs04
You can get vibes like that when Whose Line Is It Anyway does their record spoofs with normally Wayne Brady doing all the made up songs.
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Post by: kphoger on February 12, 2024, 12:55:47 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 12, 2024, 12:55:47 PM
Quote from: Sctvhound on February 09, 2024, 11:41:35 PM
People only wore sweatpants inside the house
People didn't go to the mall in their pajamas and slippers.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 10, 2024, 10:05:51 AM
I do remember some people (not many) wearing sweatpants to high school in the late 1980s. I tried it one time. Didn't do it again for several reasons.
Hot girl, huh? The same problem can happen with swimsuits.
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 10, 2024, 11:12:40 AM
Every once in a while you saw people in the '80s wearing sweatpants and flip flops but that was a sign they were in deep poverty.
Or wealthy enough that the business owner welcomed his business no matter what he wore.
Quote from: Big John on February 10, 2024, 08:16:54 PM
Wing windows on cars for ventilation before air conditioning was standard.
I once knew someone who locked his keys in a pickup with those vent windows. He decided that, if he had to break a window, it might as well be the smallest one. He later found out it would have been cheaper to replace the windshield.
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Post by: mgk920 on February 12, 2024, 08:56:29 PM
Post by: mgk920 on February 12, 2024, 08:56:29 PM
. . . stock market share pricing in binary fractions of dollars.
Mike
Mike
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Post by: GCrites on February 12, 2024, 09:27:57 PM
Post by: GCrites on February 12, 2024, 09:27:57 PM
^they kept doing that for way too long. Like into the 2000s.
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Post by: DTComposer on February 12, 2024, 09:42:31 PM
Post by: DTComposer on February 12, 2024, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 10, 2024, 10:05:51 AM
I do remember some people (not many) wearing sweatpants to high school in the late 1980s. I tried it one time. Didn't do it again for several reasons.
I grew 8 inches in one year during high school in the late 1980s. I wore sweatpants all year because I was growing out of regular pants too fast. Had them in 7 different colors, made the fashion page in my yearbook ('bucking against fashion trends, setting his own style' type of thing.)
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Post by: KCRoadFan on February 12, 2024, 11:42:19 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on February 12, 2024, 11:42:19 PM
The following sentence making sense: "Get off the Internet, I need to make a phone call!"
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Post by: thenetwork on February 13, 2024, 08:27:03 AM
Post by: thenetwork on February 13, 2024, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on February 12, 2024, 11:42:19 PM
The following sentence making sense: "Get off the Internet, I need to make a phone call!"
Worse if you were in the middle of downloading something and someone picked up the phone!!!
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Post by: ZLoth on February 13, 2024, 09:45:28 AM
Post by: ZLoth on February 13, 2024, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on February 13, 2024, 08:27:03 AMQuote from: KCRoadFan on February 12, 2024, 11:42:19 PM
The following sentence making sense: "Get off the Internet, I need to make a phone call!"
Worse if you were in the middle of downloading something and someone picked up the phone!!!
I ended up getting a dedicating phone line just for the Internet, and the ISP I used to work for had "unmetered Internet" where, if you were connected for more than 12 consecutive hours, you got disconnected and could not reconnect for 30 minutes (dedicated Dial-Up Connections were extra). Now, we have dedicated Internet connections that have VoIP adapters for "landline" connections, and my mobile phone is configured to connect via WiFi.
Using a File-Transfer Time Calculator (https://techinternets.com/copy_calc), transferring a 100 megabyte (MB) file over a 33.6 Kbit/s dial-up connection would take over 7 hours and 26 minutes. At that time, we joked that we would get a T1 if we won the lottery, and a T1 cost $2K per month in the mid-1990s. That T1 would reduce the transfer time to just over 9 minutes and 46 seconds. A few years ago, I have 15 Mbps ADSL connection, and that transfer would have taken just over a minute.
Nowadays, you have game downloads that are multiple Gigabytes in size. A relatively modest Steam download, Persona 3 Portable, is 7.414GB in size. It would take you about 23½ days minimum to download over a 33.6 Kbit/s dial-up connection, 12½ hours over a T1 connection, 1 hour and 15 minues over a 15 Mbps connection, or just over a minute on my Gigabit connection. It's not uncommon for many game titles to have double-digit GB downloads (include DLC), and a few in my collection have downloads in the 1xx GB size. Kinda surprising when we didn't even have large GB drives until the 2000s.
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Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 10:21:53 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 10:21:53 AM
^^^^
Before we got married, my now-wife's options for what was then considered "high-speed" Internet were severely limited because she lived in a rented condo. She couldn't get DSL. I don't remember whether she could have gotten service through the cable TV company because she didn't have cable TV, wasn't willing to pay to subscribe to it. I had DSL at the time (fiber optic Internet became available here shortly before we got married). So when she needed a big download, I used to bring her tower PC over to my house, hook it up (wireless was impractical and unreliable), and download whatever she needed along with checking for Windows updates and the like.
Her Internet service at the time was AOL and this is now making me remember what a pain the arse it was that AOL would try to force software update downloads on you when you signed off, regardless of whether you had the time right then, and the only way to avoid it once it started was to disconnect the phone line from the modem. I don't miss those days at all! I was already spoiled because for my three years of law school in the 1990s, I lived in a university-owned apartment that had an Ethernet jack connecting directly to the university networks, so even DSL was slow compared to that service.
Before we got married, my now-wife's options for what was then considered "high-speed" Internet were severely limited because she lived in a rented condo. She couldn't get DSL. I don't remember whether she could have gotten service through the cable TV company because she didn't have cable TV, wasn't willing to pay to subscribe to it. I had DSL at the time (fiber optic Internet became available here shortly before we got married). So when she needed a big download, I used to bring her tower PC over to my house, hook it up (wireless was impractical and unreliable), and download whatever she needed along with checking for Windows updates and the like.
Her Internet service at the time was AOL and this is now making me remember what a pain the arse it was that AOL would try to force software update downloads on you when you signed off, regardless of whether you had the time right then, and the only way to avoid it once it started was to disconnect the phone line from the modem. I don't miss those days at all! I was already spoiled because for my three years of law school in the 1990s, I lived in a university-owned apartment that had an Ethernet jack connecting directly to the university networks, so even DSL was slow compared to that service.
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Post by: ZLoth on February 13, 2024, 01:36:31 PM
Post by: ZLoth on February 13, 2024, 01:36:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 10:21:53 AMHer Internet service at the time was AOL...
That brings up memories... We were the only ISP that offered dial-in service to Rancho Murietta as the local dial-area was that community only. Everything else outside of that community was a "local toll" call with per-minute charges. So, we had customers that utilized our service for the Internet access, then used the "bring your own access" functionality of AOL.
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Post by: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 01:39:31 PM
Post by: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 01:39:31 PM
... the beeps and squawk sound of a modem connecting.
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Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 01:58:19 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 01:39:31 PM
... the beeps and squawk sound of a modem connecting.
Said sounds got longer and more convoluted as modems got faster (or, in retrospect, "less slow"?). I suppose there's another question about what speed everyone's first modem was. Mine was 2400, an internal modem purchased in 1991.
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Post by: ZLoth on February 13, 2024, 02:13:11 PM
Post by: ZLoth on February 13, 2024, 02:13:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 01:58:19 PMI suppose there's another question about what speed everyone's first modem was. Mine was 2400, an internal modem purchased in 1991.
300 baud in the mid 1980s.
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Post by: bm7 on February 13, 2024, 02:33:06 PM
Post by: bm7 on February 13, 2024, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 01:39:31 PM
... the beeps and squawk sound of a modem connecting.
Because I never used dial-up I always thought the sound of a modem was just some stock sound effect people used to make something sound "technological" with weird noises and tones. It wasn't until I heard a fax machine at my work that I realized that was a real sound.
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Post by: kkt on February 13, 2024, 03:57:23 PM
Post by: kkt on February 13, 2024, 03:57:23 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on February 13, 2024, 02:13:11 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 01:58:19 PMI suppose there's another question about what speed everyone's first modem was. Mine was 2400, an internal modem purchased in 1991.
300 baud in the mid 1980s.
mid-1970s in middle school, an elective course allowed us to use a TTY (yes, real castoff teletypes) and dial up at 110 baud to a computer that used only BASIC. You could write longhand faster than the 110 baud characters appeared across the page.
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Post by: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 04:53:06 PM
Post by: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on February 13, 2024, 02:13:11 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 01:58:19 PMI suppose there's another question about what speed everyone's first modem was. Mine was 2400, an internal modem purchased in 1991.
300 baud in the mid 1980s.
I remember 1200; I don't remember if we ever had 300. And this was at work for a major auto manufacturer.
Related: if you can remember a computer without a mouse (and later, mousepad). When my coworker and I first got a mouse, we were horrified that we had to take our fingers off the keyboard every so often.
Another one, pre-WYSIWYG.
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Post by: Big John on February 13, 2024, 05:06:28 PM
Post by: Big John on February 13, 2024, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 04:53:06 PMLetter quality
Another one, pre-WYSIWYG.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on February 13, 2024, 05:38:24 PM
Post by: kkt on February 13, 2024, 05:38:24 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 04:53:06 PM
Related: if you can remember a computer without a mouse (and later, mousepad). When my coworker and I first got a mouse, we were horrified that we had to take our fingers off the keyboard every so often.
Funny you should bring that up today! Apple's famous ad for the Mac aired during the 1984 Super Bowl, and the Mac went on sale two days later. So 40 years ago exactly. Xerox PARC invented the mouse, but was infamously unsuccessful attempting to market ANY of their great inventions in a way that made money for Xerox, and they allowed Apple to use their invention.
Yes, I am still mildly bothered by how often I have to move my hands off the keyboard to move the mouse.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 05:46:55 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 05:46:55 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 13, 2024, 05:38:24 PM
I am still mildly bothered by how often I have to move my hands off the keyboard to move the mouse.
Hotkeys for the win.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on February 13, 2024, 09:45:22 PM
Post by: mgk920 on February 13, 2024, 09:45:22 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 13, 2024, 05:38:24 PMQuote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 04:53:06 PM
Related: if you can remember a computer without a mouse (and later, mousepad). When my coworker and I first got a mouse, we were horrified that we had to take our fingers off the keyboard every so often.
Funny you should bring that up today! Apple's famous ad for the Mac aired during the 1984 Super Bowl, and the Mac went on sale two days later. So 40 years ago exactly. Xerox PARC invented the mouse, but was infamously unsuccessful attempting to market ANY of their great inventions in a way that made money for Xerox, and they allowed Apple to use their invention.
Yes, I am still mildly bothered by how often I have to move my hands off the keyboard to move the mouse.
"Hey grampa, what's this?" (showing him an old large marble-sized mouse ball).
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vdeane on February 13, 2024, 10:28:09 PM
Post by: vdeane on February 13, 2024, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on February 12, 2024, 09:42:31 PMWhat happens when you wear sweatpants to school on a day other than Friday (even if they're all that fit):Quote from: 1995hoo on February 10, 2024, 10:05:51 AM
I do remember some people (not many) wearing sweatpants to high school in the late 1980s. I tried it one time. Didn't do it again for several reasons.
I grew 8 inches in one year during high school in the late 1980s. I wore sweatpants all year because I was growing out of regular pants too fast. Had them in 7 different colors, made the fashion page in my yearbook ('bucking against fashion trends, setting his own style' type of thing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_POt2KlfQ
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: dlsterner on February 14, 2024, 12:12:51 AM
Post by: dlsterner on February 14, 2024, 12:12:51 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 01:58:19 PM
I suppose there's another question about what speed everyone's first modem was.
My first modem was 300 baud, back around 1982/83 or so. Internal modem for the Apple II+ which actually connected to the phone line rather than use an acoustic coupler.
(https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NMAH-AHB2017q017626)
I think it's in a box along with my 1200, my 2400, my 9600, my 28.8 K, my 57.6 K, and my old DSL modems.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on February 14, 2024, 02:22:10 AM
Post by: kkt on February 14, 2024, 02:22:10 AM
I remember the first modem that I actually owned, that would do maybe 1200 baud. Size of a shoebox and as heavy as if it was solid concrete.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
Post by: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
When cell phones were fastened to your belt as they were way too big to fit inside pockets. Plus you had to extend the retractable antenna to get reception.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 07:50:12 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 07:50:12 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
When cell phones were fastened to your belt as they were way too big to fit inside pockets. Plus you had to extend the retractable antenna to get reception.
My father's first cellular phone (work-issued, as at the time he would not have bought one himself) was too big to attach to a belt—it was more like a small briefcase. Ok, not as big as a briefcase, but shaped sort of like one and slightly bigger in footprint than a desk phone. Looking at my iPad as I type this, I think its footprint was maybe slightly smaller than my iPad's is. That was definitely the era when nobody said "cell phone" yet because we called them "car phones" (see also Roger McGuinn's song of that title).
The other day I was behind an SUV that had one of the old cell phone antennas on the outside, the type with the curly part near the top. I had not seen one of those in a long time and it made me think of this thread, but then I forgot about it while driving the rest of the way home.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: ZLoth on February 14, 2024, 08:38:51 AM
Post by: ZLoth on February 14, 2024, 08:38:51 AM
My parents, for their small business, got a small but luggable AMPS (Analog Mobile Phone Service) bag phone for emergencies because the price per minute was a tad high and I would be in deep trouble if I used it for personal use. It was not uncommon for someone to have a AMPS phone installed on their vehicle in a non-removable fashion. Bluetooth didn't start appearing on phones until 2000, and that specification, Bluetooth 1.0, was a bit rough.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 12:29:06 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
When cell phones were fastened to your belt as they were way too big to fit inside pockets
My cell phone is currently fastened to my belt.
Quote from: kphoger on January 13, 2021, 11:01:14 AM
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Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 12:40:29 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 12:40:29 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 12:29:06 PMhttps://youtu.be/W-w57-md974?si=9j8xFKFItXODpi0AQuote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
When cell phones were fastened to your belt as they were way too big to fit inside pockets
My cell phone is currently fastened to my belt.Quote from: kphoger on January 13, 2021, 11:01:14 AM
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Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on February 14, 2024, 02:23:48 PM
Post by: mgk920 on February 14, 2024, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 07:50:12 AMQuote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
When cell phones were fastened to your belt as they were way too big to fit inside pockets. Plus you had to extend the retractable antenna to get reception.
My father's first cellular phone (work-issued, as at the time he would not have bought one himself) was too big to attach to a belt—it was more like a small briefcase. Ok, not as big as a briefcase, but shaped sort of like one and slightly bigger in footprint than a desk phone. Looking at my iPad as I type this, I think its footprint was maybe slightly smaller than my iPad's is. That was definitely the era when nobody said "cell phone" yet because we called them "car phones" (see also Roger McGuinn's song of that title).
The other day I was behind an SUV that had one of the old cell phone antennas on the outside, the type with the curly part near the top. I had not seen one of those in a long time and it made me think of this thread, but then I forgot about it while driving the rest of the way home.
I remember someone offering fake cell phone antenae for cars in the late 1980s (one was marketed as the 'Phoney™') because having one of those little curly black stiff wire things on the back window was considered to be a status symbol.
:cool:
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: GaryV on February 14, 2024, 04:03:52 PM
Post by: GaryV on February 14, 2024, 04:03:52 PM
... the orange ball that went on the top of your car's radio antenna.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 04:48:06 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 04:48:06 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 14, 2024, 02:23:48 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 07:50:12 AMQuote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
When cell phones were fastened to your belt as they were way too big to fit inside pockets. Plus you had to extend the retractable antenna to get reception.
My father's first cellular phone (work-issued, as at the time he would not have bought one himself) was too big to attach to a belt—it was more like a small briefcase. Ok, not as big as a briefcase, but shaped sort of like one and slightly bigger in footprint than a desk phone. Looking at my iPad as I type this, I think its footprint was maybe slightly smaller than my iPad's is. That was definitely the era when nobody said "cell phone" yet because we called them "car phones" (see also Roger McGuinn's song of that title).
The other day I was behind an SUV that had one of the old cell phone antennas on the outside, the type with the curly part near the top. I had not seen one of those in a long time and it made me think of this thread, but then I forgot about it while driving the rest of the way home.
I remember someone offering fake cell phone antenae for cars in the late 1980s (one was marketed as the 'Phoney™') because having one of those little curly black stiff wire things on the back window was considered to be a status symbol.
:cool:
I had forgotten about those, but now that you mention them, those never made sense to me at all because I never understood why you'd want to put something on your car that might make someone else more likely to break into it to steal the car phone. (For the younger forum members, bear in mind that "car phones" back then were either not portable due to being permanently mounted or were large enough that people did not generally remove them from the car.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Big John on February 14, 2024, 04:57:06 PM
Post by: Big John on February 14, 2024, 04:57:06 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 14, 2024, 04:03:52 PMafter the snowstorms so something would be visible.
... the orange ball that went on the top of your car's radio antenna.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
A good friend of mine was in a bad motorcycle accident a few months ago (death wobble), and I ended up driving his vehicle for a day. He has a roof-mounted antenna for a GPS-tracking device (he uses this whenever going on trips, especially to/from/within Mexico, where they live, so I can track them along their journey from my PC). When we went to visit him at the hospital, the antenna kept going scrape-boing at every other ceiling beam and overhead sign.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: tmoore952 on February 14, 2024, 05:56:36 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 14, 2024, 05:56:36 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 14, 2024, 04:57:06 PMQuote from: GaryV on February 14, 2024, 04:03:52 PMafter the snowstorms so something would be visible.
... the orange ball that went on the top of your car's radio antenna.
Would have helped my brother in 1979.
Huge mid-January snowstorm in Chicago, and a white car.
You can guess what happened when he shoveled.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 06:09:40 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 06:09:40 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 14, 2024, 05:56:36 PM
Huge mid-January snowstorm in Chicago, and a white car.
You can guess what happened when he shoveled.
He then brushed off the car, got in, and drove away?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: tmoore952 on February 14, 2024, 06:34:43 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 14, 2024, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 06:09:40 PMQuote from: tmoore952 on February 14, 2024, 05:56:36 PM
Huge mid-January snowstorm in Chicago, and a white car.
You can guess what happened when he shoveled.
He then brushed off the car, got in, and drove away?
No, he damaged it with the shovel (white car in white snow). And then presumably got in and drove away (I was 1000 miles away at the time which is why I say presumably).
Not sure why I have to explain everything, use your brain.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 06:45:30 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 06:45:30 PM
How did he not notice the very large, five-foot-tall, car-shaped pile of snow nearby, right where he had last seen his car?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: tmoore952 on February 14, 2024, 08:17:44 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 14, 2024, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 06:45:30 PMI don't know. As I said, I wasn't there. Heard about it from him later.
How did he not notice the very large, five-foot-tall, car-shaped pile of snow nearby, right where he had last seen his car?
I suspect you're not being serious --- but in any event I will say that the 1979 Chicago blizzard had 20-30 inches of snow. With drifting I assume it covered all of his car. I had a similar experience in the Jan 1996 storm on the East coast (30 inches where I was).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: GCrites on February 14, 2024, 08:36:15 PM
Post by: GCrites on February 14, 2024, 08:36:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 04:48:06 PMQuote from: mgk920 on February 14, 2024, 02:23:48 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 07:50:12 AMQuote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
When cell phones were fastened to your belt as they were way too big to fit inside pockets. Plus you had to extend the retractable antenna to get reception.
My father's first cellular phone (work-issued, as at the time he would not have bought one himself) was too big to attach to a belt—it was more like a small briefcase. Ok, not as big as a briefcase, but shaped sort of like one and slightly bigger in footprint than a desk phone. Looking at my iPad as I type this, I think its footprint was maybe slightly smaller than my iPad's is. That was definitely the era when nobody said "cell phone" yet because we called them "car phones" (see also Roger McGuinn's song of that title).
The other day I was behind an SUV that had one of the old cell phone antennas on the outside, the type with the curly part near the top. I had not seen one of those in a long time and it made me think of this thread, but then I forgot about it while driving the rest of the way home.
I remember someone offering fake cell phone antenae for cars in the late 1980s (one was marketed as the 'Phoney™') because having one of those little curly black stiff wire things on the back window was considered to be a status symbol.
:cool:
I had forgotten about those, but now that you mention them, those never made sense to me at all because I never understood why you'd want to put something on your car that might make someone else more likely to break into it to steal the car phone. (For the younger forum members, bear in mind that "car phones" back then were either not portable due to being permanently mounted or were large enough that people did not generally remove them from the car.)
Especially since there was a huge stigma against cellphones before 1997 or so unless you were a doctor or somehow else needed it for work. "Who do you think you are?"
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 08:43:19 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 08:43:19 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 14, 2024, 08:36:15 PMNah.Quote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 04:48:06 PMQuote from: mgk920 on February 14, 2024, 02:23:48 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 07:50:12 AMQuote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
When cell phones were fastened to your belt as they were way too big to fit inside pockets. Plus you had to extend the retractable antenna to get reception.
My father's first cellular phone (work-issued, as at the time he would not have bought one himself) was too big to attach to a belt—it was more like a small briefcase. Ok, not as big as a briefcase, but shaped sort of like one and slightly bigger in footprint than a desk phone. Looking at my iPad as I type this, I think its footprint was maybe slightly smaller than my iPad's is. That was definitely the era when nobody said "cell phone" yet because we called them "car phones" (see also Roger McGuinn's song of that title).
The other day I was behind an SUV that had one of the old cell phone antennas on the outside, the type with the curly part near the top. I had not seen one of those in a long time and it made me think of this thread, but then I forgot about it while driving the rest of the way home.
I remember someone offering fake cell phone antenae for cars in the late 1980s (one was marketed as the 'Phoney') because having one of those little curly black stiff wire things on the back window was considered to be a status symbol.
:cool:
I had forgotten about those, but now that you mention them, those never made sense to me at all because I never understood why you'd want to put something on your car that might make someone else more likely to break into it to steal the car phone. (For the younger forum members, bear in mind that "car phones" back then were either not portable due to being permanently mounted or were large enough that people did not generally remove them from the car.)
Especially since there was a huge stigma against cellphones before 1997 or so unless you were a doctor or somehow else needed it for work. "Who do you think you are?"
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: gonealookin on February 15, 2024, 12:33:02 AM
Post by: gonealookin on February 15, 2024, 12:33:02 AM
I grew up in the East Bay and was an Oakland A's fan in my grade school years.
I didn't get to go to any of the World Series games in the Reggie/Catfish/Rollie/Captain Sal years in the 1970s, but Mom took me out of school to go to the victory parades in downtown Oakland a couple times.
As I recall it I'm pretty sure it never occurred to me I might be shot at one of those. Sadly it seems that's no longer the case.
I didn't get to go to any of the World Series games in the Reggie/Catfish/Rollie/Captain Sal years in the 1970s, but Mom took me out of school to go to the victory parades in downtown Oakland a couple times.
As I recall it I'm pretty sure it never occurred to me I might be shot at one of those. Sadly it seems that's no longer the case.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: tmoore952 on February 15, 2024, 08:37:27 AM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 15, 2024, 08:37:27 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on February 15, 2024, 12:33:02 AMMore recently, in 2018 I went to the Washington Capitals Stanley Cup parade with my son. The same thoughts have been going through my head.
I grew up in the East Bay and was an Oakland A's fan in my grade school years.
I didn't get to go to any of the World Series games in the Reggie/Catfish/Rollie/Captain Sal years in the 1970s, but Mom took me out of school to go to the victory parades in downtown Oakland a couple times.
As I recall it I'm pretty sure it never occurred to me I might be shot at one of those. Sadly it seems that's no longer the case.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on February 15, 2024, 10:00:49 AM
Post by: kphoger on February 15, 2024, 10:00:49 AM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 14, 2024, 08:17:44 PM
I will say that the 1979 Chicago blizzard had 20-30 inches of snow. With drifting I assume it covered all of his car. I had a similar experience in the Jan 1996 storm on the East coast (30 inches where I was).
Ah. I lived in the area from birth through age eight (and also a while later), but I was born in '81.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 15, 2024, 11:41:10 AM
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 15, 2024, 11:41:10 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 14, 2024, 08:36:15 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 04:48:06 PMQuote from: mgk920 on February 14, 2024, 02:23:48 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 07:50:12 AMQuote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
When cell phones were fastened to your belt as they were way too big to fit inside pockets. Plus you had to extend the retractable antenna to get reception.
My father's first cellular phone (work-issued, as at the time he would not have bought one himself) was too big to attach to a belt—it was more like a small briefcase. Ok, not as big as a briefcase, but shaped sort of like one and slightly bigger in footprint than a desk phone. Looking at my iPad as I type this, I think its footprint was maybe slightly smaller than my iPad's is. That was definitely the era when nobody said "cell phone" yet because we called them "car phones" (see also Roger McGuinn's song of that title).
The other day I was behind an SUV that had one of the old cell phone antennas on the outside, the type with the curly part near the top. I had not seen one of those in a long time and it made me think of this thread, but then I forgot about it while driving the rest of the way home.
I remember someone offering fake cell phone antenae for cars in the late 1980s (one was marketed as the 'Phoney™') because having one of those little curly black stiff wire things on the back window was considered to be a status symbol.
:cool:
I had forgotten about those, but now that you mention them, those never made sense to me at all because I never understood why you'd want to put something on your car that might make someone else more likely to break into it to steal the car phone. (For the younger forum members, bear in mind that "car phones" back then were either not portable due to being permanently mounted or were large enough that people did not generally remove them from the car.)
Especially since there was a huge stigma against cellphones before 1997 or so unless you were a doctor or somehow else needed it for work. "Who do you think you are?"
I don't remember this stigma. I guess I was a little young, but we got our first "family" cell phone in 1995. It was only really meant to be used in emergencies, and my parents basically bought it for my sister to take with her when she was driving alone (she got her license that year). Seems like that's when the boom really started taking off, since a lot of people I knew had them.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: GCrites on February 15, 2024, 08:47:21 PM
Post by: GCrites on February 15, 2024, 08:47:21 PM
That wasn't stigmatized. It was mostly adult single men with ordinary jobs that were considered "taking themselves too seriously".
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on February 17, 2024, 02:30:46 PM
Post by: mgk920 on February 17, 2024, 02:30:46 PM
I'm thinking that cell phone belt holsters will be slowly gaining in popularity with the younger crowd due to the physical protection that they provide to the phones v pockets. Those screens are getting expensive to repair! also the newest cell phones are getting progressively larger in physical size and more unwieldy to carry around.
Mike
Mike
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hbelkins on February 19, 2024, 03:25:38 PM
Post by: hbelkins on February 19, 2024, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 17, 2024, 02:30:46 PM
I'm thinking that cell phone belt holsters will be slowly gaining in popularity with the younger crowd due to the physical protection that they provide to the phones v pockets. Those screens are getting expensive to repair! also the newest cell phones are getting progressively larger in physical size and more unwieldy to carry around.
Mike
Hence the popularity of the Otterbox. They give us an Otterbox with our work-issued iPhones, and I never use them because they are so bulky.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vdeane on February 19, 2024, 04:18:46 PM
Post by: vdeane on February 19, 2024, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 19, 2024, 03:25:38 PMThe iPad I was given for field inventory of curb ramps (and sidewalks, once they get the GIS files in the new system) has one for the same reason. Pity nobody in Main Office thought to check if they keyboard they bought for the tablet actually works with the Otterbox, though, so I ended up returning the keyboard to MO (only to later find the thing necessary to take the Otterbox off the iPad; oh well).Quote from: mgk920 on February 17, 2024, 02:30:46 PM
I'm thinking that cell phone belt holsters will be slowly gaining in popularity with the younger crowd due to the physical protection that they provide to the phones v pockets. Those screens are getting expensive to repair! also the newest cell phones are getting progressively larger in physical size and more unwieldy to carry around.
Mike
Hence the popularity of the Otterbox. They give us an Otterbox with our work-issued iPhones, and I never use them because they are so bulky.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on February 19, 2024, 04:19:09 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 19, 2024, 04:19:09 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 19, 2024, 03:25:38 PMOur workplace uses Otterbox as well, but the iPhones are so small and crappy, I don't mind the size. Still smaller than my own cell phone.Quote from: mgk920 on February 17, 2024, 02:30:46 PM
I'm thinking that cell phone belt holsters will be slowly gaining in popularity with the younger crowd due to the physical protection that they provide to the phones v pockets. Those screens are getting expensive to repair! also the newest cell phones are getting progressively larger in physical size and more unwieldy to carry around.
Mike
Hence the popularity of the Otterbox. They give us an Otterbox with our work-issued iPhones, and I never use them because they are so bulky.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on February 19, 2024, 05:10:49 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 19, 2024, 05:10:49 PM
Back when our field techs used company-issued phones, we provided Otterbox for a while. It's important when, every so often, someone drops his phone while taking a picture from the mainline pole on his 53-foot ladder.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on February 23, 2024, 08:31:03 AM
Post by: formulanone on February 23, 2024, 08:31:03 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 19, 2024, 03:25:38 PMQuote from: mgk920 on February 17, 2024, 02:30:46 PM
I'm thinking that cell phone belt holsters will be slowly gaining in popularity with the younger crowd due to the physical protection that they provide to the phones v pockets. Those screens are getting expensive to repair! also the newest cell phones are getting progressively larger in physical size and more unwieldy to carry around.
Mike
Hence the popularity of the Otterbox. They give us an Otterbox with our work-issued iPhones, and I never use them because they are so bulky.
I find the clip tends to increase the phone's exposure to dropping due to twisting in tight corners or when getting in/out of seats, so I haven't used one since 2012. Phones are getting bigger and heavier, but that's just a heft I've gotten somewhat used to. I don't like how they flop around in a pocket when exercising or walking briskly, but have also become used to using to its width for watching videos.
I'd also broken a number of cell phone clips in the past, so getting an Otterbox that lasts three years before coming apart is a trade off.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 24, 2024, 07:55:48 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 24, 2024, 07:55:48 PM
You are too old if you remember having a checking account at Bank One.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: GCrites on February 24, 2024, 08:36:06 PM
Post by: GCrites on February 24, 2024, 08:36:06 PM
And if you remember the "Banc" fad.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Scott5114 on February 24, 2024, 09:02:04 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 24, 2024, 09:02:04 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 24, 2024, 08:36:06 PM
And if you remember the "Banc" fad.
I remember my mom saying she wouldn't ever trust a bank that can't even spell bank correctly.
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Post by: kkt on February 24, 2024, 09:10:40 PM
Post by: kkt on February 24, 2024, 09:10:40 PM
I like your mom. And I guess I'm not too old after all because I have no memory of Bancs or Bank One.
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Post by: gonealookin on February 24, 2024, 09:21:02 PM
Post by: gonealookin on February 24, 2024, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 24, 2024, 07:55:48 PM
You are too old if you remember having a checking account at Bank One.
I had a Bank One credit card for quite a while.
The Arizona Diamondbacks' stadium in downtown Phoenix was "Bank One Ballpark" initially, often referred to as "The BOB". JPMorganChase purchased Bank One some years ago and that's why the Diamondbacks play in "Chase Field".
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Post by: bing101 on February 25, 2024, 10:52:46 AM
Post by: bing101 on February 25, 2024, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 12:29:06 PMWoah it's been 20 years since those phones existed.Quote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
When cell phones were fastened to your belt as they were way too big to fit inside pockets
My cell phone is currently fastened to my belt.Quote from: kphoger on January 13, 2021, 11:01:14 AM
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Post by: kphoger on February 26, 2024, 02:38:08 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 26, 2024, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: bing101 on February 25, 2024, 10:52:46 AM
Woah it's been 20 years since those phones existed.
What are you talking about? I bought it brand-new from Verizon in November 2020 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27536.msg2548729#msg2548729).
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Post by: frankenroad on March 05, 2024, 04:26:27 PM
Post by: frankenroad on March 05, 2024, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on February 24, 2024, 09:21:02 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 24, 2024, 07:55:48 PM
You are too old if you remember having a checking account at Bank One.
I had a Bank One credit card for quite a while.
The Arizona Diamondbacks' stadium in downtown Phoenix was "Bank One Ballpark" initially, often referred to as "The BOB". JPMorganChase purchased Bank One some years ago and that's why the Diamondbacks play in "Chase Field".
I'm ancient then - I had a checking account at City National Bank in Columbus in the late 1970s, before it was re-branded Bank One. I also worked for Bank One in the late 1990s and had a Bank One checking account then as well. I left Bank One a few years before the Chase merger.
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Post by: GCrites on March 05, 2024, 08:46:32 PM
Post by: GCrites on March 05, 2024, 08:46:32 PM
The Bank One merger is how Jamie Dimon became head of Chase.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on March 09, 2024, 02:57:53 PM
Post by: kkt on March 09, 2024, 02:57:53 PM
You might be too old if -- at every fuel stop in your car, you write down the odometer reading, how much gas you got, and calculate your MPG for the tank. Bonus points for using a slide rule to do the division.
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Post by: Rothman on March 09, 2024, 03:06:45 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 09, 2024, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 09, 2024, 02:57:53 PMHeh. If people are still doing that, it's time to go into a home.
You might be too old if -- at every fuel stop in your car, you write down the odometer reading, how much gas you got, and calculate your MPG for the tank. Bonus points for using a slide rule to do the division.
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Post by: Big John on March 09, 2024, 04:30:02 PM
Post by: Big John on March 09, 2024, 04:30:02 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 09, 2024, 03:06:45 PMI have a relative that does that and he gets on my case for not doing it myself.Quote from: kkt on March 09, 2024, 02:57:53 PMHeh. If people are still doing that, it's time to go into a home.
You might be too old if -- at every fuel stop in your car, you write down the odometer reading, how much gas you got, and calculate your MPG for the tank. Bonus points for using a slide rule to do the division.
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Post by: Rothman on March 09, 2024, 04:56:20 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 09, 2024, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 09, 2024, 04:30:02 PMPut the relative in a home.Quote from: Rothman on March 09, 2024, 03:06:45 PMI have a relative that does that and he gets on my case for not doing it myself.Quote from: kkt on March 09, 2024, 02:57:53 PMHeh. If people are still doing that, it's time to go into a home.
You might be too old if -- at every fuel stop in your car, you write down the odometer reading, how much gas you got, and calculate your MPG for the tank. Bonus points for using a slide rule to do the division.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on March 09, 2024, 05:37:18 PM
Post by: kkt on March 09, 2024, 05:37:18 PM
I do write down the odometer and calculate MPG for each tank - but I do the division longhand instead of with a slide rule.
That I can still do the division longhand is evidence that I do not yet belong in a home!
That I can still do the division longhand is evidence that I do not yet belong in a home!
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Post by: Rothman on March 09, 2024, 06:45:06 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 09, 2024, 06:45:06 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 09, 2024, 05:37:18 PM
I do write down the odometer and calculate MPG for each tank - but I do the division longhand instead of with a slide rule.
That I can still do the division longhand is evidence that I do not yet belong in a home!
Nah, home for you. Home's are going to be filling up.
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Post by: bing101 on March 10, 2024, 11:23:14 AM
Post by: bing101 on March 10, 2024, 11:23:14 AM
Quote from: kphoger on February 26, 2024, 02:38:08 PMThese types of phones used to be common but I get what you mean.Quote from: bing101 on February 25, 2024, 10:52:46 AM
Woah it's been 20 years since those phones existed.
What are you talking about? I bought it brand-new from Verizon in November 2020 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27536.msg2548729#msg2548729).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 10:32:32 AM
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 10:32:32 AM
For every fill-up, I write the date, the odometer reading, the trip odometer reading (and reset it each time), the gallons (or liters), and then I calculate the fuel economy.
But I do the math using my cell phone's calculator app.
But I do the math using my cell phone's calculator app.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 10:35:54 AM
Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 10:35:54 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 10:32:32 AMBoomer.
For every fill-up, I write the date, the odometer reading, the trip odometer reading (and reset it each time), the gallons (or liters), and then I calculate the fuel economy.
But I do the math using my cell phone's calculator app.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 11:11:43 AM
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 11:11:43 AM
On the bottom of each fuel log sheet, I also record any maintenance or repairs.
(https://i.imgur.com/ueCkRLA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ueCkRLA.jpg)
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Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 11:22:52 AM
Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 11:22:52 AM
I do keep track of what maintenance has been done on my vehicle.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 11:24:20 AM
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 11:22:52 AM
I do keep track of what maintenance has been done on my vehicle.
With pen and paper? Boomer.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 11:27:24 AM
Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 11:24:20 AMNah, Excel.Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 11:22:52 AM
I do keep track of what maintenance has been done on my vehicle.
With pen and paper? Boomer.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2024, 11:51:13 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2024, 11:51:13 AM
I keep track of fuel economy in a little book I keep in the car because a sudden unexpected change in fuel economy can be a sign of a problem. In a two-line entry I record the date; the price I paid per gallon and the location; the number of gallons, fuel brand, and octane rating; the trip meter and main odometer readings; and the average mpg and mph the car recorded for that tank. The reason for noting the location is primarily to have a note if I wind up buying bad gas so I know which station to avoid.
For example (this is all made-up because I was driving a rental EV on the date indicated):
01-13-24 10.234 Chevron 93 21 mpg
3.599 Sheridan St 223.9/145,438 23 mph
But I don't qualify as a "boomer," even if I think people my age generally have a lot more in common with people of that generation than we do with people born after, say, 1980.
Regarding keeping track of maintenance, I have a file folder with all the service records going back to when I bought the car (20 years' worth as of this August); I also keep the title in the same folder for ease of locating it, and on the outside of the folder I've handwritten when the timing belt and spark plugs were changed (timing belt twice so far due to the car's age and mileage; spark plugs also twice, once routine and the other due to an engine misfire).
For example (this is all made-up because I was driving a rental EV on the date indicated):
01-13-24 10.234 Chevron 93 21 mpg
3.599 Sheridan St 223.9/145,438 23 mph
But I don't qualify as a "boomer," even if I think people my age generally have a lot more in common with people of that generation than we do with people born after, say, 1980.
Regarding keeping track of maintenance, I have a file folder with all the service records going back to when I bought the car (20 years' worth as of this August); I also keep the title in the same folder for ease of locating it, and on the outside of the folder I've handwritten when the timing belt and spark plugs were changed (timing belt twice so far due to the car's age and mileage; spark plugs also twice, once routine and the other due to an engine misfire).
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 11:58:34 AM
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 11:58:34 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2024, 11:51:13 AM
I keep track of fuel economy in a little book I keep in the car because a sudden unexpected change in fuel economy can be a sign of a problem. In a two-line entry I record the date; the price I paid per gallon and the location; the number of gallons, fuel brand, and octane rating; the trip meter and main odometer readings; and the average mpg and mph the car recorded for that tank. The reason for noting the location is primarily to have a note if I wind up buying bad gas so I know which station to avoid. ... Regarding keeping track of maintenance, I have a file folder with all the service records going back to when I bought the car (20 years' worth as of this August);
Mine stays in a half-size binder in the glove box (small car) or wedged between the driver's seat and the center console (big car). But I don't care what price per gallon I paid at the pump, as I never have any reason to look back at that. The location might be handy, but only if I'm trying to figure out if something was local driving or a long-distance trip; I can typically deduce that by looking at the dates, because two fill-ups on the same day is a dead give-away.
I find it handier to keep maintenance dates in the car instead of at home, because I commonly want to figure out how long it's been since the last oil change, what month I had something replaced, etc, while I'm away from home.
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Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 12:15:30 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 12:15:30 PM
Anyone had a discrepancy between their trip and main odometers?
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Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 12:20:14 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 12:20:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 12:15:30 PM
Anyone had a discrepancy between their trip and main odometers?
No. But...
1. I use the trip odometer reading to calculate fuel economy, because it gives me tenths of a mile.
2. I use the main odometer reading to see how "long ago" in mile-terms something happened.
3. If the trip odometer somehow gets reset mid-tank, then I can always just use the main odometer reading to calculate mileage instead.
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Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2024, 12:29:36 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2024, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 12:15:30 PM
Anyone had a discrepancy between their trip and main odometers?
I got in the habit of using the main odometer when I had a car that didn't have a trip odometer. I've never noticed a discrepancy, though as kphoger notes the trip meter does have tenths of a mile, and as he also notes the trip meter sometimes gets reset mid-tank, typically if I take the car in for service and for whatever reason they disconnect the battery. That didn't apply in the old days with mechanical odometers, of course.
Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 11:58:34 AM
.... But I don't care what price per gallon I paid at the pump, as I never have any reason to look back at that. ....
I don't remember why I started keeping track of the price. I know I had a reason, I just don't remember what it was.
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Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 12:44:35 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 12:44:35 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2024, 12:29:36 PM
I don't remember why I started keeping track of the price. I know I had a reason, I just don't remember what it was.
I remember a college classmate who kept track of it too. In math class, he plotted pump price against miles per gallon, and then he calculated a trend line. He was interested in the results and surprised to see that his fuel economy apparently decreased with pump price. But I saw the graph, and the trend line wasn't all that much of a trend: it's just what his calculator spit out for what was basically a cloud of dots. It also didn't factor in time of year or average speed.
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Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 01:27:05 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 01:27:05 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2024, 12:29:36 PMBecause we're nerds.Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 12:15:30 PM
Anyone had a discrepancy between their trip and main odometers?
I got in the habit of using the main odometer when I had a car that didn't have a trip odometer. I've never noticed a discrepancy, though as kphoger notes the trip meter does have tenths of a mile, and as he also notes the trip meter sometimes gets reset mid-tank, typically if I take the car in for service and for whatever reason they disconnect the battery. That didn't apply in the old days with mechanical odometers, of course.Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 11:58:34 AM
.... But I don't care what price per gallon I paid at the pump, as I never have any reason to look back at that. ....
I don't remember why I started keeping track of the price. I know I had a reason, I just don't remember what it was.
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Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 01:34:37 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 01:34:37 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 11:58:34 AM
.... But I don't care what price per gallon I paid at the pump, as I never have any reason to look back at that. ....
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2024, 12:29:36 PM
I don't remember why I started keeping track of the price. I know I had a reason, I just don't remember what it was.
Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 01:27:05 PM
Because we're nerds.
While that may be the honest and actual reason, I doubt it's the supposed reason he told himself at the time.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: formulanone on March 11, 2024, 05:34:56 PM
Post by: formulanone on March 11, 2024, 05:34:56 PM
When you didn't pay extra for the privilege of using a credit card; you know, like in 2022.
On the other hand, I guess I could use checks again. (I keep writing "1996" on my checks, and I hate when that happens.)
On the other hand, I guess I could use checks again. (I keep writing "1996" on my checks, and I hate when that happens.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 05:54:36 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2024, 05:54:36 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 11, 2024, 05:34:56 PMEveryone paid or pays extra...businesses get you for fees assessed on them...
When you didn't pay extra for the privilege of using a credit card; you know, like in 2022.
On the other hand, I guess I could use checks again. (I keep writing "1996" on my checks, and I hate when that happens.)
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: XamotCGC on March 11, 2024, 06:19:36 PM
Post by: XamotCGC on March 11, 2024, 06:19:36 PM
Buying a big bag of potato chips under a 1.00 and getting change back.
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Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 08:23:50 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on March 11, 2024, 06:19:36 PM
Buying a big bag of potato chips under a 1.00 and getting change back.
Were big bags of potato chips ever less than 70% air?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kkt on March 11, 2024, 08:34:18 PM
Post by: kkt on March 11, 2024, 08:34:18 PM
Pringles.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 08:41:41 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 08:41:41 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 11, 2024, 08:34:18 PM
Pringles.
I remember Pringles.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Big John on March 11, 2024, 08:57:51 PM
Post by: Big John on March 11, 2024, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 11, 2024, 08:34:18 PMStill around, but has become bald.
Pringles.
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Post by: dlsterner on March 11, 2024, 11:12:58 PM
Post by: dlsterner on March 11, 2024, 11:12:58 PM
In the same vein as the other snack foods ...
The Frito Bandito as the "spokesman" for Fritos corn chips.
The Frito Bandito as the "spokesman" for Fritos corn chips.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: roadman65 on March 12, 2024, 05:15:08 AM
Post by: roadman65 on March 12, 2024, 05:15:08 AM
Yes Pringles is in Circle K Convenience Stores.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: GaryV on March 12, 2024, 06:48:39 AM
Post by: GaryV on March 12, 2024, 06:48:39 AM
I ate some Pringles yesterday. I admit I am old, but not too old to remember that.
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Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 12, 2024, 05:15:08 AMHeh. That's strangely specific given that Pringles are ubiquitous. :D
Yes Pringles is in Circle K Convenience Stores.
Not sure where the idea came from that Pringles are gone...
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: hotdogPi on March 12, 2024, 07:24:00 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on March 12, 2024, 07:24:00 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
Not sure where the idea came from that Pringles are gone...
People misinterpreting #1186 as serious, which was a joke reply to #1185, which was an answer to #1184 and not to the thread title.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Big John on March 12, 2024, 08:13:45 AM
Post by: Big John on March 12, 2024, 08:13:45 AM
Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2024, 07:24:00 AMUnless I see a /s at the end, I will likely see it as being serious.Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
Not sure where the idea came from that Pringles are gone...
People misinterpreting #1186 as serious, which was a joke reply to #1185, which was an answer to #1184 and not to the thread title.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 08:39:46 AM
Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: Big John on March 12, 2024, 08:13:45 AMWhy so serious?Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2024, 07:24:00 AMUnless I see a /s at the end, I will likely see it as being serious.Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
Not sure where the idea came from that Pringles are gone...
People misinterpreting #1186 as serious, which was a joke reply to #1185, which was an answer to #1184 and not to the thread title.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: 1995hoo on March 12, 2024, 08:45:06 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 12, 2024, 08:45:06 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 08:39:46 AMQuote from: Big John on March 12, 2024, 08:13:45 AMWhy so serious?Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2024, 07:24:00 AMUnless I see a /s at the end, I will likely see it as being serious.Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
Not sure where the idea came from that Pringles are gone...
People misinterpreting #1186 as serious, which was a joke reply to #1185, which was an answer to #1184 and not to the thread title.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 10:29:52 AM
Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 10:29:52 AM
Quote from: XamotCGC on March 11, 2024, 06:19:36 PM
Buying a big bag of potato chips under a 1.00 and getting change back.
Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 08:23:50 PM
Were big bags of potato chips ever less than 70% air?
Quote from: kkt on March 11, 2024, 08:34:18 PM
Pringles.
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
Not sure where the idea came from that Pringles are gone...
Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2024, 07:24:00 AM
People misinterpreting #1186 as serious, which was a joke reply to #1185, which was an answer to #1184 and not to the thread title.
For the joke to work, Pringles must have once come in big bags. Did they ever?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Big John on March 12, 2024, 10:52:59 AM
Post by: Big John on March 12, 2024, 10:52:59 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 10:29:52 AMGoogling this, they first came out in 1968, in pop out cans.Quote from: XamotCGC on March 11, 2024, 06:19:36 PM
Buying a big bag of potato chips under a 1.00 and getting change back.Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 08:23:50 PM
Were big bags of potato chips ever less than 70% air?Quote from: kkt on March 11, 2024, 08:34:18 PM
Pringles.Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
Not sure where the idea came from that Pringles are gone...Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2024, 07:24:00 AM
People misinterpreting #1186 as serious, which was a joke reply to #1185, which was an answer to #1184 and not to the thread title.
For the joke to work, Pringles must have once come in big bags. Did they ever?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 12:18:18 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 12, 2024, 10:52:59 AMThe More You KnowQuote from: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 10:29:52 AMGoogling this, they first came out in 1968, in pop out cans.Quote from: XamotCGC on March 11, 2024, 06:19:36 PM
Buying a big bag of potato chips under a 1.00 and getting change back.Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2024, 08:23:50 PM
Were big bags of potato chips ever less than 70% air?Quote from: kkt on March 11, 2024, 08:34:18 PM
Pringles.Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
Not sure where the idea came from that Pringles are gone...Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2024, 07:24:00 AM
People misinterpreting #1186 as serious, which was a joke reply to #1185, which was an answer to #1184 and not to the thread title.
For the joke to work, Pringles must have once come in big bags. Did they ever?
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: Takumi on March 12, 2024, 12:30:40 PM
Post by: Takumi on March 12, 2024, 12:30:40 PM
You're getting old if you remember Mitch Hedberg talking about Pringles.
https://youtu.be/KPtmyx6VbgM
https://youtu.be/KPtmyx6VbgM
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: vdeane on March 12, 2024, 12:59:24 PM
Post by: vdeane on March 12, 2024, 12:59:24 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2024, 07:24:00 AMYeah, totally didn't notice that 1185 was in reply to 1184 and got confused because I didn't remember Pringles ever going away. I usually us a ^ or quote (if the reply goes to the next page) to avoid confusion since I've noticed that replying to the thread title and not previous discussion seems to be the default here.Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 06:55:55 AM
Not sure where the idea came from that Pringles are gone...
People misinterpreting #1186 as serious, which was a joke reply to #1185, which was an answer to #1184 and not to the thread title.
Title: Re: You are too old if you remember.......
Post by: mgk920 on March 12, 2024, 01:30:37 PM
Post by: mgk920 on March 12, 2024, 01:30:37 PM
. . . the push for sound systems with four distinct sound channels 'quadrasonic'. It died out when increasing numbers of consumers started asking the fundamental question of "Why do we need four distinct speakers when we only have two ears?".
Mike
Mike
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Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 02:36:49 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 02:36:49 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 12, 2024, 01:30:37 PM
It died out when increasing numbers of consumers started asking the fundamental question of "Why do we need four distinct speakers when we only have two ears?".
That's not really a valid question. It's not like our brains can only hear or process two sounds at once.
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Post by: Scott5114 on March 12, 2024, 03:06:43 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 12, 2024, 03:06:43 PM
Well, surround sound is a thing.
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Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 05:04:16 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 05:04:16 PM
Quadraphonic...
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Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 05:13:01 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: Wikipedia
Quadraphonic (or quadrophonic and sometimes quadrasonic) sound – equivalent to what is now called 4.0 surround sound – uses four audio channels in which ...
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Post by: Big John on March 12, 2024, 05:16:37 PM
Post by: Big John on March 12, 2024, 05:16:37 PM
Talking vending machines in the 1980s.
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Post by: mgk920 on March 12, 2024, 06:09:49 PM
Post by: mgk920 on March 12, 2024, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 05:04:16 PM
Quadraphonic...
It was heavily promoted as 'Quadrasonic".
:-/
Mike
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Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 06:59:50 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 12, 2024, 06:09:49 PMQuote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 05:04:16 PM
Quadraphonic...
It was heavily promoted as 'Quadrasonic".
I guess you just proved your own point: that you're too old because you remember that.
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Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 10:42:20 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 10:42:20 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 12, 2024, 06:09:49 PMHeh. I like kphoger's "sometimes" from Wikipedia.Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2024, 05:04:16 PM
Quadraphonic...
It was heavily promoted as 'Quadrasonic".
:-/
Mike
"Wonderful perfect quadraphonic sound with distortion levels so low as to make a brave man weep." -- Douglas Adams
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Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 11:11:34 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 11:11:34 PM
The references I'm seeing online to "quadrasonic sound" and "quadrasonic stereo" are pretty much all related to the Ford Motor Company: brochures, 8-track tapes, car stereo faceplates, etc.
(https://i.discogs.com/Niw-POPJ-BoPQl9apQasff4PL06cWxSlT7n6xehgmCY/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:454/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTkwNzgy/NzYtMTY1ODQyODcz/Ni0zNDg1LmpwZWc.jpeg)
(https://i.discogs.com/KHh3Vxi1E7xb_HgS2FOI_Mcym9TPdfIr3GnFppS2xnw/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:466/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTkwNzgz/MjctMTYyMTYzNzAw/My04ODAyLmpwZWc.jpeg)
(https://i.discogs.com/Niw-POPJ-BoPQl9apQasff4PL06cWxSlT7n6xehgmCY/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:454/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTkwNzgy/NzYtMTY1ODQyODcz/Ni0zNDg1LmpwZWc.jpeg)
(https://i.discogs.com/KHh3Vxi1E7xb_HgS2FOI_Mcym9TPdfIr3GnFppS2xnw/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:466/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTkwNzgz/MjctMTYyMTYzNzAw/My04ODAyLmpwZWc.jpeg)
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Post by: Rothman on March 13, 2024, 06:50:56 AM
Post by: Rothman on March 13, 2024, 06:50:56 AM
That certainly is niche.
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Post by: thenetwork on March 13, 2024, 09:19:50 AM
Post by: thenetwork on March 13, 2024, 09:19:50 AM
In the days when I attended college, when you wanted to see your most recent test/exam scores, you would go down to the professor's office and they had a print-out on the hallway wall listing everyone's scores.
Back then, in order to "protect privacy", they did not show the names of the students, but rather your "Student ID"...
...which just happened to be the same as your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!!!
lawn. off.
Back then, in order to "protect privacy", they did not show the names of the students, but rather your "Student ID"...
...which just happened to be the same as your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!!!
lawn. off.
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Post by: 1995hoo on March 13, 2024, 09:27:58 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 13, 2024, 09:27:58 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on March 13, 2024, 09:19:50 AM
In the days when I attended college, when you wanted to see your most recent test/exam scores, you would go down to the professor's office and they had a print-out on the hallway wall listing everyone's scores.
Back then, in order to "protect privacy", they did not show the names of the students, but rather your "Student ID"...
...which just happened to be the same as your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!!!
lawn. off.
Our exam scores were listed by the last four digits of the SSN, omitting the first five digits, but yeah, back then it seemed like SSN use as an ID number was routine. Our driver's license numbers in Virginia were our SSNs, and then when you wrote a check at the store they wanted to see your driver's license and they'd copy down the number and expiration date. My roommate first year of college got his SSN printed on his checks to expedite that process at the store (I always thought that was crazy—why make it any easier for a thief than it needs to be?).
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Post by: kphoger on March 13, 2024, 10:26:02 AM
Post by: kphoger on March 13, 2024, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 13, 2024, 06:50:56 AM
That certainly is niche.
Perhaps, but on the other hand, Ford isn't exactly a small fry. So "sometimes" and "heavily promoted" may actually both be true.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2024, 09:27:58 AM
back then it seemed like SSN use as an ID number was routine.
It still is. Every job application, every doctor's office visit, etc, etc. For many purposes, your SSN is your federal ID number.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2024, 09:27:58 AM
Our driver's license numbers in Virginia were our SSNs,
Same here in Kansas. When I first got my license, I was a bit of an oddball for not having my SSN as my DL number.
But President Bush passed a law in 2004 that prohibited that.
Then again, I still remember when you would get a book delivered for free to your doorstep every year with everyone's name, address, and phone number.
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Post by: 1995hoo on March 13, 2024, 10:29:10 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 13, 2024, 10:29:10 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 13, 2024, 10:26:02 AM
....
Then again, I still remember when you would get a book delivered for free to your doorstep every year with everyone's name, address, and phone number.
Heh. We received a copy of the Yellow Pages in the mail a few weeks ago (we had not requested one). It was striking how much smaller it was than it used to be, but I was more tempted to take a picture of it and send it to a 20-something-year-old colleague to ask him if he knew what it is. I didn't do that, though, because it felt like it would have been a bit too snarky or disrespectful. Instead, I think my wife tossed it in the recycling.
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Post by: GCrites on March 13, 2024, 11:54:24 AM
Post by: GCrites on March 13, 2024, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2024, 09:27:58 AMQuote from: thenetwork on March 13, 2024, 09:19:50 AM
In the days when I attended college, when you wanted to see your most recent test/exam scores, you would go down to the professor's office and they had a print-out on the hallway wall listing everyone's scores.
Back then, in order to "protect privacy", they did not show the names of the students, but rather your "Student ID"...
...which just happened to be the same as your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!!!
lawn. off.
Our exam scores were listed by the last four digits of the SSN, omitting the first five digits, but yeah, back then it seemed like SSN use as an ID number was routine. Our driver's license numbers in Virginia were our SSNs, and then when you wrote a check at the store they wanted to see your driver's license and they'd copy down the number and expiration date. My roommate first year of college got his SSN printed on his checks to expedite that process at the store (I always thought that was crazy—why make it any easier for a thief than it needs to be?).
Identity theft wasn't nearly as common before the internet because the instructions weren't just sitting there on it. And you couldn't just open up a bunch of accounts in an hour or two like you can on the internet.
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Post by: roadman65 on March 13, 2024, 12:11:31 PM
Post by: roadman65 on March 13, 2024, 12:11:31 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on March 13, 2024, 11:54:24 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2024, 09:27:58 AMQuote from: thenetwork on March 13, 2024, 09:19:50 AM
In the days when I attended college, when you wanted to see your most recent test/exam scores, you would go down to the professor's office and they had a print-out on the hallway wall listing everyone's scores.
Back then, in order to "protect privacy", they did not show the names of the students, but rather your "Student ID"...
...which just happened to be the same as your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!!!
lawn. off.
Our exam scores were listed by the last four digits of the SSN, omitting the first five digits, but yeah, back then it seemed like SSN use as an ID number was routine. Our driver's license numbers in Virginia were our SSNs, and then when you wrote a check at the store they wanted to see your driver's license and they'd copy down the number and expiration date. My roommate first year of college got his SSN printed on his checks to expedite that process at the store (I always thought that was crazy—why make it any easier for a thief than it needs to be?).
Identity theft wasn't nearly as common before the internet because the instructions weren't just sitting there on it. And you couldn't just open up a bunch of accounts in an hour or two like you can on the internet.
Also you needed ID and a signature to open up an account in the branch office of any financial institution in those days. A bank was careful who they did business with when things were done in person.
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Post by: Rothman on March 13, 2024, 07:24:39 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 13, 2024, 07:24:39 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 13, 2024, 10:26:02 AMQuote from: Rothman on March 13, 2024, 06:50:56 AM
That certainly is niche.
Perhaps, but on the other hand, Ford isn't exactly a small fry. So "sometimes" and "heavily promoted" may actually both be true.
Nah.
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Post by: Scott5114 on March 13, 2024, 08:05:04 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on March 13, 2024, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 11:11:34 PM
(https://i.discogs.com/Niw-POPJ-BoPQl9apQasff4PL06cWxSlT7n6xehgmCY/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:454/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTkwNzgy/NzYtMTY1ODQyODcz/Ni0zNDg1LmpwZWc.jpeg)
"Listen carefully to these instructions on how to use the thing you just bought by using the thing you just bought that you apparently don't know how to use."
What could go wrong?
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Post by: formulanone on March 13, 2024, 09:20:41 PM
Post by: formulanone on March 13, 2024, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 13, 2024, 08:05:04 PMJust insert this CD-ROM to understand how to use your new PC.Quote from: kphoger on March 12, 2024, 11:11:34 PM
(https://i.discogs.com/Niw-POPJ-BoPQl9apQasff4PL06cWxSlT7n6xehgmCY/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:454/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTkwNzgy/NzYtMTY1ODQyODcz/Ni0zNDg1LmpwZWc.jpeg)
"Listen carefully to these instructions on how to use the thing you just bought by using the thing you just bought that you apparently don't know how to use."
What could go wrong?
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Post by: thenetwork on March 13, 2024, 10:23:02 PM
Post by: thenetwork on March 13, 2024, 10:23:02 PM
...When Discover tried the mini-Discover 2 Go tag that you'd put on your keychain??? No need to swipe someone's wallet -- just steal their keys!!!
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Post by: kkt on March 13, 2024, 11:41:47 PM
Post by: kkt on March 13, 2024, 11:41:47 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2024, 09:27:58 AMQuote from: thenetwork on March 13, 2024, 09:19:50 AM
In the days when I attended college, when you wanted to see your most recent test/exam scores, you would go down to the professor's office and they had a print-out on the hallway wall listing everyone's scores.
Back then, in order to "protect privacy", they did not show the names of the students, but rather your "Student ID"...
...which just happened to be the same as your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!!!
lawn. off.
Our exam scores were listed by the last four digits of the SSN, omitting the first five digits, but yeah, back then it seemed like SSN use as an ID number was routine. Our driver's license numbers in Virginia were our SSNs, and then when you wrote a check at the store they wanted to see your driver's license and they'd copy down the number and expiration date. My roommate first year of college got his SSN printed on his checks to expedite that process at the store (I always thought that was crazy—why make it any easier for a thief than it needs to be?).
When I was in college professors didn't all do it the same way. Many posted a list on the door, by student ID (which was not SSN for us). Some put the list by last name and first name. Some just wrote our score on our test or homework and we learned what we got when we got them back.
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Post by: kurumi on March 14, 2024, 11:12:00 AM
Post by: kurumi on March 14, 2024, 11:12:00 AM
There was a time when this guy was high tech: monophonic synth + calculator + sequencer
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Casio_vl_tone.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Casio_vl_tone.jpg)
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Post by: elsmere241 on March 15, 2024, 10:33:42 AM
Post by: elsmere241 on March 15, 2024, 10:33:42 AM
When you thought an Apple ][ was hot stuff.
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Post by: Rothman on March 15, 2024, 11:37:22 AM
Post by: Rothman on March 15, 2024, 11:37:22 AM
Quote from: elsmere241 on March 15, 2024, 10:33:42 AMI still miss Appleworks on a IIe...
When you thought an Apple ][ was hot stuff.
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Post by: kkt on March 15, 2024, 03:40:16 PM
Post by: kkt on March 15, 2024, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: elsmere241 on March 15, 2024, 10:33:42 AM
When you thought an Apple ][ was hot stuff.
Never. It was a toy compared to the real computers - mostly mainframes that would either be running batch jobs or shared between 50 users most of the time, unless you logged on in the middle of the night.
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Post by: roadman65 on March 15, 2024, 03:45:19 PM
Post by: roadman65 on March 15, 2024, 03:45:19 PM
When shopping malls were a thing. No dead malls but a place to go on a Saturday afternoon and walk around.
I remember blue laws that kept the malls closed on Sundays.
I remember blue laws that kept the malls closed on Sundays.
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Post by: hotdogPi on March 15, 2024, 03:46:42 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on March 15, 2024, 03:46:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 15, 2024, 03:45:19 PM
When shopping malls were a thing.
I'm too old if I remember the present?
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Post by: Rothman on March 15, 2024, 08:02:38 PM
Post by: Rothman on March 15, 2024, 08:02:38 PM
Dead malls have been around over my multi-decade lifetime, so we must be talking OLD.
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Post by: mgk920 on March 15, 2024, 09:13:54 PM
Post by: mgk920 on March 15, 2024, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 15, 2024, 08:02:38 PM
Dead malls have been around over my multi-decade lifetime, so we must be talking OLD.
Like that late 1970s Saturday Night Live skit about the 'Schotch Boutique' (one of the last remaining stores in a dying mall).
Mike
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Post by: CtrlAltDel on March 16, 2024, 01:24:09 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on March 16, 2024, 01:24:09 PM
the Franco-Prussian War
the French Commune
the publication of Around the World in Eighty Days
US Civil War Reconstruction
the establishment of Yellowstone National Park
the French Commune
the publication of Around the World in Eighty Days
US Civil War Reconstruction
the establishment of Yellowstone National Park
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Post by: kphoger on March 18, 2024, 01:38:27 PM
Post by: kphoger on March 18, 2024, 01:38:27 PM
....... the Maine.
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Post by: roadman65 on March 18, 2024, 01:41:05 PM
Post by: roadman65 on March 18, 2024, 01:41:05 PM
John Belushi and Gilda Radner on SNL.
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Post by: elsmere241 on March 18, 2024, 03:53:40 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on March 18, 2024, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 15, 2024, 03:40:16 PMQuote from: elsmere241 on March 15, 2024, 10:33:42 AM
When you thought an Apple ][ was hot stuff.
Never. It was a toy compared to the real computers - mostly mainframes that would either be running batch jobs or shared between 50 users most of the time, unless you logged on in the middle of the night.
I was six years old when I first saw one, and hadn't really seen any other computers. (Though the one at Kmart had a reel-to-reel tape drive.)
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Post by: roadman65 on March 18, 2024, 04:19:29 PM
Post by: roadman65 on March 18, 2024, 04:19:29 PM
When panhandling was only tolerated ( and seen) in urban areas. You never ( or rarely) saw them in suburban or rural areas.
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Post by: formulanone on March 19, 2024, 09:05:05 PM
Post by: formulanone on March 19, 2024, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: elsmere241 on March 18, 2024, 03:53:40 PMQuote from: kkt on March 15, 2024, 03:40:16 PMQuote from: elsmere241 on March 15, 2024, 10:33:42 AM
When you thought an Apple ][ was hot stuff.
Never. It was a toy compared to the real computers - mostly mainframes that would either be running batch jobs or shared between 50 users most of the time, unless you logged on in the middle of the night.
I was six years old when I first saw one, and hadn't really seen any other computers. (Though the one at Kmart had a reel-to-reel tape drive.)
With the exception of playing games on an Atari 2600 and a Magnavox Odyssey, the Apple ][ was my first exposure to computers, as they had one in the back of our classroom when I was 8. Of course, that meant playing exactly one educational game: "Guess the President" (I forget the actual name) for about 5-10 minutes. Didn't see Oregon Trail until 7-8th grade, but by then, I was a little more interested in mucking around with BASIC coding than dying of dysentery.
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Post by: kkt on March 20, 2024, 12:14:22 AM
Post by: kkt on March 20, 2024, 12:14:22 AM
When Kaiser was most famous for building ships.