https://www.kshb.com/sports/nbc-sports-network-to-shut-down-at-end-of-2021 (https://www.kshb.com/sports/nbc-sports-network-to-shut-down-at-end-of-2021)
I'm not really gonna miss it much. I've switched from Comcast to AT&T, and that is all I have to say.
Only thing I watched on it was NASCAR, and since I've quit watching NASCAR, I won't miss it.
Looks like NASCAR is moving to USA. Hopefully ESPN can reacquire the broadcast rights, it was way better there anyways.
This is a very smart move by Comcast/NBC, as it helps USA Network with ratings and cable subscriber fees. Look for ViacomCBS to do the same with CBS Sports Network, possibly as soon as the end of this year's NCAA tournament.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2021, 08:34:55 PM
Looks like NASCAR is moving to USA. Hopefully ESPN can reacquire the broadcast rights, it was way better there anyways.
NBC's NASCAR package runs July-November, includes both Xfinity and Cup series, which has either Friday night/Saturday night weekends or Saturday afternoon/Sunday afternoon weekends, and ESPN is not giving up that much time on Saturdays in September-November to NASCAR when they are making so much on college football.
Quote from: brad2971 on January 24, 2021, 09:01:46 PM
This is a very smart move by Comcast/NBC, as it helps USA Network with ratings and cable subscriber fees. Look for ViacomCBS to do the same with CBS Sports Network, possibly as soon as the end of this year's NCAA tournament.
We're quickly approaching the point where only major events are going to be left on broadcast/cable and everything else is going to be on premium services like ESPN+, Peacock, CBS All Access. I imagine FOX will follow suit and come out with a premium service before too long.
The NHL TV deal is up for renewal this summer. Be interesting to see what they do.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 24, 2021, 09:07:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2021, 08:34:55 PM
Looks like NASCAR is moving to USA. Hopefully ESPN can reacquire the broadcast rights, it was way better there anyways.
NBC's NASCAR package runs July-November, includes both Xfinity and Cup series, which has either Friday night/Saturday night weekends or Saturday afternoon/Sunday afternoon weekends, and ESPN is not giving up that much time on Saturdays in September-November to NASCAR when they are making so much on college football.
Yes, I just miss the the races used to be covered. I recall a lot of races during that time of year were on TNN?
I can't think of the last time I've flipped on the USA Network. I forget it existed, and I remember being an OG cable station when I got cable at 4 years old an eternity ago.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 24, 2021, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on January 24, 2021, 09:01:46 PM
This is a very smart move by Comcast/NBC, as it helps USA Network with ratings and cable subscriber fees. Look for ViacomCBS to do the same with CBS Sports Network, possibly as soon as the end of this year's NCAA tournament.
We're quickly approaching the point where only major events are going to be left on broadcast/cable and everything else is going to be on premium services like ESPN+, Peacock, CBS All Access. I imagine FOX will follow suit and come out with a premium service before too long.
Once the NFL TV contract gets settled sometime this spring, and seeing what FOX will end up with, I could see a successful bid for the entire FOX Corporation, including FOX News, by Netflix. Such a successful bid would give Netflix entry into both the sports and news businesses at a somewhat lower price/better logistics that what it would take Netflix to bid on sports leagues by themselves. Not to mention, Netflix would get broadcast TV licenses in most of the markets that have NFC (or even some AFC) teams.
Quote from: brad2971 on January 24, 2021, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 24, 2021, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on January 24, 2021, 09:01:46 PM
This is a very smart move by Comcast/NBC, as it helps USA Network with ratings and cable subscriber fees. Look for ViacomCBS to do the same with CBS Sports Network, possibly as soon as the end of this year's NCAA tournament.
We're quickly approaching the point where only major events are going to be left on broadcast/cable and everything else is going to be on premium services like ESPN+, Peacock, CBS All Access. I imagine FOX will follow suit and come out with a premium service before too long.
Once the NFL TV contract gets settled sometime this spring, and seeing what FOX will end up with, I could see a successful bid for the entire FOX Corporation, including FOX News, by Netflix. Such a successful bid would give Netflix entry into both the sports and news businesses at a somewhat lower price/better logistics that what it would take Netflix to bid on sports leagues by themselves. Not to mention, Netflix would get broadcast TV licenses in most of the markets that have NFC (or even some AFC) teams.
I hope that doesn't happen. Netflix is a terrible company and I would have a hard time watching anything of theirs. I've heard that Fox and ESPN may both be interested in the NHL. I don't know where ESPN would find room for that on cable because they're not giving up NBA or college basketball, so that would mean streaming. NBC has already ruined the Premier League for me because Peacock is so bad that it's not even worth the price. I imagine the shutdown of NBCSN will only push more games onto Peacock. I don't think Fox will shut down FS1 though. They have a number of marquee talk shows, and seem to be trying to compete with ESPN in that market because of their recent additions like Skip Bayless, Colin Cowherd, and Emmanuel Acho.
Quote from: brad2971 on January 24, 2021, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 24, 2021, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on January 24, 2021, 09:01:46 PM
This is a very smart move by Comcast/NBC, as it helps USA Network with ratings and cable subscriber fees. Look for ViacomCBS to do the same with CBS Sports Network, possibly as soon as the end of this year's NCAA tournament.
We're quickly approaching the point where only major events are going to be left on broadcast/cable and everything else is going to be on premium services like ESPN+, Peacock, CBS All Access. I imagine FOX will follow suit and come out with a premium service before too long.
Once the NFL TV contract gets settled sometime this spring, and seeing what FOX will end up with, I could see a successful bid for the entire FOX Corporation, including FOX News, by Netflix. Such a successful bid would give Netflix entry into both the sports and news businesses at a somewhat lower price/better logistics that what it would take Netflix to bid on sports leagues by themselves. Not to mention, Netflix would get broadcast TV licenses in most of the markets that have NFC (or even some AFC) teams.
I've been saying for a while ViacomCBS would be a better acquisition for Netflix.
There are four legs upon which NBCSN stood.
NHL - Its biggest property. Many media sources believe this is an indication that Comcast (NBC) believes that it cannot retain the NHL rights against Disney (ESPN/ABC) and w/o the NHL, NBCSN would be dead. The contract runs out after this season.
NASCAR - NASCAR is dying. It has, via idiot moves, lost 2 out of 3 of its fans in just a decade and a half. No reason to believe the bleeding will stop. The contract will run out after the 24 season. NBC will burn off it commitment on USA but most sources think that both Fox and NBC have no interest in pouring more $$ down that rathole. Some say that CBS may be the eventual destination for NASCAR.
Indy - While the ratings are small, the niche is very loyal. The contract will run out after this season. Look for ESPN to pick it back up.
Euro soccer - Broadcasters have discovered that euro soccer fans are generally not fans of other sports. Thus the sport makes more $$ behind a paywall on the internet than it does on a traditional channel.
Nothing from them surprises me anymore. NBC as a whole hasn't had anything worth watching for years.
Quote from: SP Cook on January 25, 2021, 10:35:17 AM
There are four legs upon which NBCSN stood.
NHL - Its biggest property. Many media sources believe this is an indication that Comcast (NBC) believes that it cannot retain the NHL rights against Disney (ESPN/ABC) and w/o the NHL, NBCSN would be dead. The contract runs out after this season.
NASCAR - NASCAR is dying. It has, via idiot moves, lost 2 out of 3 of its fans in just a decade and a half. No reason to believe the bleeding will stop. The contract will run out after the 24 season. NBC will burn off it commitment on USA but most sources think that both Fox and NBC have no interest in pouring more $$ down that rathole. Some say that CBS may be the eventual destination for NASCAR.
Indy - While the ratings are small, the niche is very loyal. The contract will run out after this season. Look for ESPN to pick it back up.
Euro soccer - Broadcasters have discovered that euro soccer fans are generally not fans of other sports. Thus the sport makes more $$ behind a paywall on the internet than it does on a traditional channel.
ESPN isn't going to have room to add hockey and IndyCar without pushing a bunch more stuff to ESPN+
Quote from: SP Cook on January 25, 2021, 10:35:17 AM
NASCAR - NASCAR is dying. It has, via idiot moves, lost 2 out of 3 of its fans in just a decade and a half. No reason to believe the bleeding will stop. The contract will run out after the 24 season. NBC will burn off it commitment on USA but most sources think that both Fox and NBC have no interest in pouring more $$ down that rathole. Some say that CBS may be the eventual destination for NASCAR.
I'd stuck it out through the Chase, stage racing, infinite rules changes, and so on. But in the past year, not only have I quit watching NASCAR, but I no longer watch University of Kentucky basketball. I'm done with the latter until Calipari leaves. I tolerated his "one and done" recruiting and his terrible in-game coaching moves. But as with NASCAR, stuff unrelated to the sporting contests themselves turned me away.
I'm still a fan of UK football, but that could change as well.
I would not be totally shocked if the NHL is less willing to go to ESPN than some people expect, simply because Gary Bettman is known to have a bit of a vindictive streak. ESPN originally created the ESPN2 channel largely to carry the NHL, but after the lost 2004—05 season, they more or less refused to carry hockey unless the league paid them. Bettman will not have forgotten that.
I won't be surprised if some amount of hockey winds up on ESPN, but I will be mildly surprised if that network becomes the primary carrier.
Quote from: I-39 on January 25, 2021, 09:11:00 AM
Quote from: brad2971 on January 24, 2021, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 24, 2021, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on January 24, 2021, 09:01:46 PM
This is a very smart move by Comcast/NBC, as it helps USA Network with ratings and cable subscriber fees. Look for ViacomCBS to do the same with CBS Sports Network, possibly as soon as the end of this year's NCAA tournament.
We're quickly approaching the point where only major events are going to be left on broadcast/cable and everything else is going to be on premium services like ESPN+, Peacock, CBS All Access. I imagine FOX will follow suit and come out with a premium service before too long.
Once the NFL TV contract gets settled sometime this spring, and seeing what FOX will end up with, I could see a successful bid for the entire FOX Corporation, including FOX News, by Netflix. Such a successful bid would give Netflix entry into both the sports and news businesses at a somewhat lower price/better logistics that what it would take Netflix to bid on sports leagues by themselves. Not to mention, Netflix would get broadcast TV licenses in most of the markets that have NFC (or even some AFC) teams.
I've been saying for a while ViacomCBS would be a better acquisition for Netflix.
ViacomCBS has remerged with Paramount, and will be rebranding CBS All Access as Paramount + in March. The recombined company would take a lot of coin to acquire.
Quote from: Life in Paradise on January 25, 2021, 12:44:03 PM
Quote from: I-39 on January 25, 2021, 09:11:00 AM
Quote from: brad2971 on January 24, 2021, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 24, 2021, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on January 24, 2021, 09:01:46 PM
This is a very smart move by Comcast/NBC, as it helps USA Network with ratings and cable subscriber fees. Look for ViacomCBS to do the same with CBS Sports Network, possibly as soon as the end of this year's NCAA tournament.
We're quickly approaching the point where only major events are going to be left on broadcast/cable and everything else is going to be on premium services like ESPN+, Peacock, CBS All Access. I imagine FOX will follow suit and come out with a premium service before too long.
Once the NFL TV contract gets settled sometime this spring, and seeing what FOX will end up with, I could see a successful bid for the entire FOX Corporation, including FOX News, by Netflix. Such a successful bid would give Netflix entry into both the sports and news businesses at a somewhat lower price/better logistics that what it would take Netflix to bid on sports leagues by themselves. Not to mention, Netflix would get broadcast TV licenses in most of the markets that have NFC (or even some AFC) teams.
I've been saying for a while ViacomCBS would be a better acquisition for Netflix.
ViacomCBS has remerged with Paramount, and will be rebranding CBS All Access as Paramount + in March. The recombined company would take a lot of coin to acquire.
Netflix has a market capitalization of 8x ViacomCBS, they could easily acquire ViacomCBS.
Viacom owned Paramount and remerged with CBS Corp.
It is likely a matter of when before ViacomCBS either gets bought up or merges with someone else as they simply do not have the scale to effectively compete with Netflix, Disney, Comcast, AT&T, etc. Especially if the latter two spinoff WarnerMedia and NBCUniversal respectively and they merge like this analyst argues.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warnermedia-and-nbcuniversal-should-be-merged-analyst-argues (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warnermedia-and-nbcuniversal-should-be-merged-analyst-argues)
Quote from: SP Cook on January 25, 2021, 10:35:17 AM
There are four legs upon which NBCSN stood.
NHL - Its biggest property. Many media sources believe this is an indication that Comcast (NBC) believes that it cannot retain the NHL rights against Disney (ESPN/ABC) and w/o the NHL, NBCSN would be dead. The contract runs out after this season.
I personally think NBC should try and pick up a deal with the MLB for national broadcasts. I know they are involved in multiple regional broadcasts, but, there are plenty of games daily that do not make national TV. NBC will need something to air outside of football season to keep their sports relevant, and I don't see track and field and horse racing as sustainable sources of viewership. Sure they have the Olympics and the Triple Crown, but those are isolated events that don't cover a lot of the year.
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NASCAR - NASCAR is dying. It has, via idiot moves, lost 2 out of 3 of its fans in just a decade and a half. No reason to believe the bleeding will stop. The contract will run out after the 24 season. NBC will burn off it commitment on USA but most sources think that both Fox and NBC have no interest in pouring more $$ down that rathole. Some say that CBS may be the eventual destination for NASCAR.
With CBS losing SEC football at the end of the 2023 season I could totally see them picking up NASCAR to fill their Saturdays.
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Indy - While the ratings are small, the niche is very loyal. The contract will run out after this season. Look for ESPN to pick it back up.
Euro soccer - Broadcasters have discovered that euro soccer fans are generally not fans of other sports. Thus the sport makes more $$ behind a paywall on the internet than it does on a traditional channel.
I don't know as much about these two but for what I do know this assessment is probably accurate.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 25, 2021, 12:27:28 PM
I'd stuck it out through the Chase, stage racing, infinite rules changes, and so on. But in the past year, not only have I quit watching NASCAR, but I no longer watch University of Kentucky basketball. I'm done with the latter until Calipari leaves. I tolerated his "one and done" recruiting and his terrible in-game coaching moves. But as with NASCAR, stuff unrelated to the sporting contests themselves turned me away.
I'm still a fan of UK football, but that could change as well.
NASCAR - First generation starts the business, second generation builds the business, third generation destroys the business. Certainly true in that sport. The problem is the management has surrounded itself with an amen chorus that spews the idiocy that the sport's growth in the 80s and 90s was somehow a "bubble" or a "fad". Nope. Idiot Brian France actually listened to people that thought these idiot rule changes (and rejection of the sport's cultural heritage) were good ideas.
UK basketball - One and done recruiting is a thin margin for a mistake. My take this year is there really was no AAU season last year, so Cal was working off what these kids did when they were 15 or 16. Personally I will be happy when one and done is done. I would go with the rule in college baseball. A player can go to the pros straight out of HS, or can commit to 3 years of college and be draft eligible again after his junior year.
UK football - There is no reason UK cannot have a solid football program. It has the right coach and all the facilities. It just needs to stop expecting to lose to the SEC powers.
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Quote from: SP Cook on January 25, 2021, 10:35:17 AM
There are four legs upon which NBCSN stood.
NHL - Its biggest property. Many media sources believe this is an indication that Comcast (NBC) believes that it cannot retain the NHL rights against Disney (ESPN/ABC) and w/o the NHL, NBCSN would be dead. The contract runs out after this season.
NASCAR - NASCAR is dying. It has, via idiot moves, lost 2 out of 3 of its fans in just a decade and a half. No reason to believe the bleeding will stop. The contract will run out after the 24 season. NBC will burn off it commitment on USA but most sources think that both Fox and NBC have no interest in pouring more $$ down that rathole. Some say that CBS may be the eventual destination for NASCAR.
Indy - While the ratings are small, the niche is very loyal. The contract will run out after this season. Look for ESPN to pick it back up.
Euro soccer - Broadcasters have discovered that euro soccer fans are generally not fans of other sports. Thus the sport makes more $$ behind a paywall on the internet than it does on a traditional channel.
ESPN isn't going to have room to add hockey and IndyCar without pushing a bunch more stuff to ESPN+
I could see them picking up IndyCar, as they already have Formula 1, and there's quite a bit of fan overlap between those two series.
Quote from: SP Cook on January 25, 2021, 10:35:17 AM
There are four legs upon which NBCSN stood.
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Euro soccer - Broadcasters have discovered that euro soccer fans are generally not fans of other sports. Thus the sport makes more $$ behind a paywall on the internet than it does on a traditional channel.
I don't know that I agree with this. Especially younger generations have now grown up watching the Premier League. Just because someone cheers for Tottenham doesn't mean they aren't also a Vikings fan. (Ask me how I know.)
Regarding the paywall, a lot of the smaller clubs can be found on Peacock or ESPN+, but having a Liverpool-Manchester United match on has to drive a decent amount of advertising revenue.
Chris
Kind of odd that NBCSN is shutting down just before the 2022 Winter Olympics, which NBC has the rights to. I thought any shutdown date wouldn't happen until after that event concludes a little over a year from now.
Quote from: ftballfan on January 28, 2021, 04:03:25 PM
Kind of odd that NBCSN is shutting down just before the 2022 Winter Olympics, which NBC has the rights to. I thought any shutdown date wouldn't happen until after that event concludes a little over a year from now.
Wouldn't the Olympic Channel serve that purpose?
Quote from: kevinb1994 on January 28, 2021, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on January 28, 2021, 04:03:25 PM
Kind of odd that NBCSN is shutting down just before the 2022 Winter Olympics, which NBC has the rights to. I thought any shutdown date wouldn't happen until after that event concludes a little over a year from now.
Wouldn't the Olympic Channel serve that purpose?
NBC uses all of its channels for an Olympic Games, NBC, NBCSN, Olympics, USA, CNBC, MSNBC, even Golf Channel for Summer Olympics Golf. Winter doesn't have nearly as many events as Summer, so they can get by without NBCSN for that. For future Summer Olympics, some events probably get pushed to streaming only.
You think back to how bad ESPN's coverage of NASCAR was. Sure, Bestwick helped keep it afloat somewhat, but at the very end, it didn't sustain them. The old guard that's been with us for years is dying out. We're gonna have to come up with some creative ways to continue consuming live programming in some capacity, and if television is not the platform anymore, what other platforms do we need besides the uber expensive streaming services to continue consuming live programming in general? Or have we come to a point in broadcasting history where TV is just dead outright and it's just a living festering husk of what it formerly was?
What will that mean for SNF? SB LVI?
The peacock network seems to be going down in the dumps every day. Like in the Garfield and friends show where Garfield said NBC has nothing on for children. They had Saved by The Bell, but that fell through the wayside, and sure enough, discontinued Soap operas. My mother has been watching Days of Our Lives since it came on in the 60s, and that's the ONLY daytime show we have so far for NBC.
For those who don't know who Garfield is and the respective show, Garfield and Friends, its a comic book character and he is a fat, lazy and cynical orange cat who hates Mondays, absolutely LOVES lasagna, and likes to destroy the mailman. Its respective show, Garfield and Friends, was a TV show in the late 80s-early 90s that features Garfield doing crazy things and has three segments.
I know that this is not in the right forum, but still, were talking TV. :popcorn:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2021, 08:34:55 PM
Looks like NASCAR is moving to USA. Hopefully ESPN can reacquire the broadcast rights, it was way better there anyways.
maybe this changed over the years... but i want to say not all tv carriers carried nbcsn, which meant i missed like half the season of nascar. i think a lot of the problem is that there's like 3 million sports networks, and not enough sports, which is why we see people playing cards on espn now.
Quote from: snowc on February 08, 2021, 11:11:56 AM
What will that mean for SNF? SB LVI?
The peacock network seems to be going down in the dumps every day. Like in the Garfield and friends show where Garfield said NBC has nothing on for children. They had Saved by The Bell, but that fell through the wayside, and sure enough, discontinued Soap operas. My mother has been watching Days of Our Lives since it came on in the 60s, and that's the ONLY daytime show we have so far for NBC.
For those who don't know who Garfield is and the respective show, Garfield and Friends, its a comic book character and he is a fat, lazy and cynical orange cat who hates Mondays, absolutely LOVES lasagna, and likes to destroy the mailman. Its respective show, Garfield and Friends, was a TV show in the late 80s-early 90s that features Garfield doing crazy things and has three segments.
I know that this is not in the right forum, but still, were talking TV. :popcorn:
Sunday Night Football and the Super Bowl (when it's NBC's turn) both air on NBC broadcast network. That isn't likely to change.
Peacock is struggling because Comcast/NBC Universal does not have a film catalog comparable to ABC/Disney, Netflix, or CBS/Paramount. Letting Disney get 21st/FOX was really bad for them. Making a bid for Sony wouldn't be a bad idea for
Moving some sports content to Peacock is an attempt to keep it afloat. Shutting down NBCSN is a coincidental move that helps "justify" moving that content.
What I think ultimately happen is that TV providers as we know them go away, and the major content providers package channels+content directly to users. The technology is essentially already in place.
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 08, 2021, 11:28:01 AM
Quote from: snowc on February 08, 2021, 11:11:56 AM
What will that mean for SNF? SB LVI?
The peacock network seems to be going down in the dumps every day. Like in the Garfield and friends show where Garfield said NBC has nothing on for children. They had Saved by The Bell, but that fell through the wayside, and sure enough, discontinued Soap operas. My mother has been watching Days of Our Lives since it came on in the 60s, and that's the ONLY daytime show we have so far for NBC.
For those who don't know who Garfield is and the respective show, Garfield and Friends, its a comic book character and he is a fat, lazy and cynical orange cat who hates Mondays, absolutely LOVES lasagna, and likes to destroy the mailman. Its respective show, Garfield and Friends, was a TV show in the late 80s-early 90s that features Garfield doing crazy things and has three segments.
I know that this is not in the right forum, but still, were talking TV. :popcorn:
Sunday Night Football and the Super Bowl (when it's NBC's turn) both air on NBC broadcast network. That isn't likely to change.
Peacock is struggling because Comcast/NBC Universal does not have a film catalog comparable to ABC/Disney, Netflix, or CBS/Paramount. Letting Disney get 21st/FOX was really bad for them. Making a bid for Sony wouldn't be a bad idea for
Moving some sports content to Peacock is an attempt to keep it afloat. Shutting down NBCSN is a coincidental move that helps "justify" moving that content.
What I think ultimately happen is that TV providers as we know them go away, and the major content providers package channels+content directly to users. The technology is essentially already in place.
That's good to know. I knew Peacock was going to fail.
Quote from: snowc on February 08, 2021, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 08, 2021, 11:28:01 AM
Quote from: snowc on February 08, 2021, 11:11:56 AM
What will that mean for SNF? SB LVI?
The peacock network seems to be going down in the dumps every day. Like in the Garfield and friends show where Garfield said NBC has nothing on for children. They had Saved by The Bell, but that fell through the wayside, and sure enough, discontinued Soap operas. My mother has been watching Days of Our Lives since it came on in the 60s, and that's the ONLY daytime show we have so far for NBC.
For those who don't know who Garfield is and the respective show, Garfield and Friends, its a comic book character and he is a fat, lazy and cynical orange cat who hates Mondays, absolutely LOVES lasagna, and likes to destroy the mailman. Its respective show, Garfield and Friends, was a TV show in the late 80s-early 90s that features Garfield doing crazy things and has three segments.
I know that this is not in the right forum, but still, were talking TV. :popcorn:
Sunday Night Football and the Super Bowl (when it's NBC's turn) both air on NBC broadcast network. That isn't likely to change.
Peacock is struggling because Comcast/NBC Universal does not have a film catalog comparable to ABC/Disney, Netflix, or CBS/Paramount. Letting Disney get 21st/FOX was really bad for them. Making a bid for Sony wouldn't be a bad idea for
Moving some sports content to Peacock is an attempt to keep it afloat. Shutting down NBCSN is a coincidental move that helps "justify" moving that content.
What I think ultimately happen is that TV providers as we know them go away, and the major content providers package channels+content directly to users. The technology is essentially already in place.
That's good to know. I knew Peacock was going to fail.
It better not fail before the next season of Yellowstone comes out.
Chris
The free part of Peacock is not that bad. Its not Netflix, but it has a nice library, and then it has linear channels, including one for sports, that present adult, non-political sports talk during weekdays, rather than the all-NBA, all-race, and all-politics spewed out by ESPN and Fox Sports One.
Bumping this up...
NBCSN has gone away. The Premier League is now on USA, as well as some college basketball. USA needed to expand its horizons beyond Law & Order: SVU and NCIS.
Quote from: golden eagle on January 26, 2022, 04:14:22 PM
Bumping this up...
NBCSN has gone away. The Premier League is now on USA, as well as some college basketball. USA needed to expand its horizons beyond Law & Order: SVU and NCIS.
They also do the Stanley Cup Playoffs. I don't know if they'll pick up extended NASCAR coverage now that NBCSN is done and away because I am uncertain if the TV deal has been changed to reflect NBCSN's closure.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on January 27, 2022, 11:15:01 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on January 26, 2022, 04:14:22 PM
Bumping this up...
NBCSN has gone away. The Premier League is now on USA, as well as some college basketball. USA needed to expand its horizons beyond Law & Order: SVU and NCIS.
They also do the Stanley Cup Playoffs. I don't know if they'll pick up extended NASCAR coverage now that NBCSN is done and away because I am uncertain if the TV deal has been changed to reflect NBCSN's closure.
The 2022 schedule (https://www.jayski.com/nascar-cup-series/2022-nascar-cup-series-schedule/)already shows the NASCAR races that will be on USA.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on January 27, 2022, 11:15:01 PM
They also do the Stanley Cup Playoffs. I don't know if they'll pick up extended NASCAR coverage now that NBCSN is done.
The NHL's contract with NBC expired after last season, NHL, including the playoffs, are now on ESPN and TNT (with some extra content streaming on ESPN+ and HBO Max).
As to NASCAR, the contract runs through 24, and in the "we screwed this sport up so much we cannot even get a title sponsor" Cup series (the top level), 11 races will be on USA Network, 9 on NBC. In the second tier Xfinity (also a Comcast company) series, 15 will be on USA Network, and 4 on NBC. Most qualifying and wrap around will be on Peacock.
As to the, still not run by idiots like NASCAR is, Indy Car Series, 14 races on NBC, 2 on USA and one (if its held, its in Toronto) only on Peacock.
I wonder what will replace NBCSN in the cable lineup, now that it's just a blank channel? New networks pop up all the time, so I don't think it'll stay that way for too long.
Guess we'll have to see how long CBSSN can stay on...
Quote from: Henry on January 28, 2022, 10:12:56 AM
I wonder what will replace NBCSN in the cable lineup, now that it's just a blank channel? New networks pop up all the time, so I don't think it'll stay that way for too long.
Guess we'll have to see how long CBSSN can stay on...
I think the fact that streaming is overtaking traditional cable is a bigger part. The survival of cable networks is based on the local cable operator's willingness / ability to pay for it. I dumped cable 4 years ago. This is the first NFL season where the NFL games have been available to stream.
NBC is running the olympics on Peacock as opposed to other places.
Quote from: bwana39 on January 28, 2022, 10:20:27 AM
Quote from: Henry on January 28, 2022, 10:12:56 AM
I wonder what will replace NBCSN in the cable lineup, now that it's just a blank channel? New networks pop up all the time, so I don't think it'll stay that way for too long.
Guess we'll have to see how long CBSSN can stay on...
I think the fact that streaming is overtaking traditional cable is a bigger part. The survival of cable networks is based on the local cable operator's willingness / ability to pay for it. I dumped cable 4 years ago. This is the first NFL season where the NFL games have been available to stream.
NBC is running the olympics on Peacock as opposed to other places.
I think the Olympics on on the free part of Peacock so you don't have to subscribe to be able to watch. Plus USA is still running Olympic events nearly 24/7 and NBC broadcast has prime time and late night coverage in case you don't have a wi-fi connection fast enough to stream.
Quote from: Henry on January 28, 2022, 10:12:56 AM
I wonder what will replace NBCSN in the cable lineup, now that it's just a blank channel? New networks pop up all the time, so I don't think it'll stay that way for too long.
Guess we'll have to see how long CBSSN can stay on...
IMHO, the shut down on NBCSN has as much to do with the weakness of the "general rerun" group of channels, as it does with NBCSN itself. Channels like TNT, TBS, FX, BBCA, and, in this instance USA. These channels, built on endless reruns of 90s and 00s network shows, are losing value for several reasons.
- Mostly, everyone who wanted to see the shows caught them in their first 10000 showings.
- Similar is available, for free, on streaming services like Pluto or STIRR.
- Similar is available, for free, on "netlets" (those .2 .3 etc channels you can get with an antenna, broadcasting under the main network that is .1.)
- Similar is available as a throw in on the paid streamers.
So, they toss the sports over to these channels, to try to make them relevant. In that sense, it was more a "merger" of NBCSN and USA as a shutdown.
As to CBSSN, CBS just doesn't try with it. It charges WAY less per subscriber than the others, and its mostly bottom of the division college sports, taped small time motorsports, and some eurosoccer. They seem unwilling to spend any money to get any serious content. I think it will continue on just because moving the content to Paramount Plus isn't going to accomplish anything. Most of this stuff should be free on YouTube.
Quote from: SP Cook on January 28, 2022, 10:38:59 AM
Quote from: Henry on January 28, 2022, 10:12:56 AM
I wonder what will replace NBCSN in the cable lineup, now that it's just a blank channel? New networks pop up all the time, so I don't think it'll stay that way for too long.
Guess we'll have to see how long CBSSN can stay on...
IMHO, the shut down on NBCSN has as much to do with the weakness of the "general rerun" group of channels, as it does with NBCSN itself. Channels like TNT, TBS, FX, BBCA, and, in this instance USA. These channels, built on endless reruns of 90s and 00s network shows, are losing value for several reasons.
- Mostly, everyone who wanted to see the shows caught them in their first 10000 showings.
- Similar is available, for free, on streaming services like Pluto or STIRR.
- Similar is available, for free, on "netlets" (those .2 .3 etc channels you can get with an antenna, broadcasting under the main network that is .1.)
- Similar is available as a throw in on the paid streamers.
So, they toss the sports over to these channels, to try to make them relevant. In that sense, it was more a "merger" of NBCSN and USA as a shutdown.
As to CBSSN, CBS just doesn't try with it. It charges WAY less per subscriber than the others, and its mostly bottom of the division college sports, taped small time motorsports, and some eurosoccer. They seem unwilling to spend any money to get any serious content. I think it will continue on just because moving the content to Paramount Plus isn't going to accomplish anything. Most of this stuff should be free on YouTube.
These networks were surprisingly useful for businesses like auto shops. When I worked at one, we'd have it on USA most of the time. If you're going to be an hour or two waiting for your vehicle to be worked on and are going to be sitting in a lobby, an episode or two of a crime drama or a movie will keep you distracted.
Quote from: Henry on January 28, 2022, 10:12:56 AM
I wonder what will replace NBCSN in the cable lineup, now that it's just a blank channel? New networks pop up all the time, so I don't think it'll stay that way for too long.
Guess we'll have to see how long CBSSN can stay on...
NBCSN seemed to play a lot of minor sporting events that just don't draw people. I view CBSSN to be more stable, despite that they don't carry Power 5 conference games or the major pro sports leagues. CBSSN does at least carry football and basketball from the Group of Five conferences (American, MAC, Sun Belt, etc.) and the service academies. Also, whether you love him or hate him, they carry Jim Rome live.
Five channels of NBCSN are still on my Hulu + Live TV lineup. <shrugs>
Quote from: DenverBrian on January 30, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
Five channels of NBCSN are still on my Hulu + Live TV lineup. <shrugs>
The network that got shut down was NBC Sports national channel, the one that showed NHL games, IndyCar/NASCAR races, the Tour de France, etc. There are still several NBC regional Sports networks, which are probably what are still on your Hulu listings.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: DenverBrian on January 30, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
Five channels of NBCSN are still on my Hulu + Live TV lineup. <shrugs>
The network that got shut down was NBC Sports national channel, the one that showed NHL games, IndyCar/NASCAR races, the Tour de France, etc. There are still several NBC regional Sports networks, which are probably what are still on your Hulu listings.
Far as I know, the NBC Regional Sports channels for Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago, & Oakland-San Francisco are still on the air (not sure where the 5th regional channel would be)
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 30, 2022, 07:01:25 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: DenverBrian on January 30, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
Five channels of NBCSN are still on my Hulu + Live TV lineup. <shrugs>
The network that got shut down was NBC Sports national channel, the one that showed NHL games, IndyCar/NASCAR races, the Tour de France, etc. There are still several NBC regional Sports networks, which are probably what are still on your Hulu listings.
Far as I know, the NBC Regional Sports channels for Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago, & Oakland-San Francisco are still on the air (not sure where the 5th regional channel would be)
Philly
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2022, 07:33:53 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 30, 2022, 07:01:25 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: DenverBrian on January 30, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
Five channels of NBCSN are still on my Hulu + Live TV lineup. <shrugs>
The network that got shut down was NBC Sports national channel, the one that showed NHL games, IndyCar/NASCAR races, the Tour de France, etc. There are still several NBC regional Sports networks, which are probably what are still on your Hulu listings.
Far as I know, the NBC Regional Sports channels for Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago, & Oakland-San Francisco are still on the air (not sure where the 5th regional channel would be)
Philly
There may be another one.
Quote from: Big John on January 30, 2022, 07:40:10 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2022, 07:33:53 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 30, 2022, 07:01:25 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: DenverBrian on January 30, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
Five channels of NBCSN are still on my Hulu + Live TV lineup. <shrugs>
The network that got shut down was NBC Sports national channel, the one that showed NHL games, IndyCar/NASCAR races, the Tour de France, etc. There are still several NBC regional Sports networks, which are probably what are still on your Hulu listings.
Far as I know, the NBC Regional Sports channels for Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago, & Oakland-San Francisco are still on the air (not sure where the 5th regional channel would be)
Philly
There may be another one.
Oakland (NBCSN California) and San Francisco (NBCSN Bay Area) are two separate channels. Is that it?
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 30, 2022, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 30, 2022, 07:40:10 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2022, 07:33:53 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 30, 2022, 07:01:25 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: DenverBrian on January 30, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
Five channels of NBCSN are still on my Hulu + Live TV lineup. <shrugs>
The network that got shut down was NBC Sports national channel, the one that showed NHL games, IndyCar/NASCAR races, the Tour de France, etc. There are still several NBC regional Sports networks, which are probably what are still on your Hulu listings.
Far as I know, the NBC Regional Sports channels for Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago, & Oakland-San Francisco are still on the air (not sure where the 5th regional channel would be)
Philly
There may be another one.
Oakland (NBCSN California) and San Francisco (NBCSN Bay Area) are two separate channels. Is that it?
I think so, but there's also one in Boston, which is what I meant to type when I said Philly.
^^ NESN covers the New England market,
Quote from: Big John on January 30, 2022, 07:55:47 PM
^^ NESN covers the New England market,
And so does NBCS Boston. Most of the bigger markets have multiple RSNs. Chicago has an NBCS and Marquee (a Bally affiliate). New York has YES and SNNY.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2022, 08:02:32 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 30, 2022, 07:55:47 PM
^^ NESN covers the New England market,
And so does NBCS Boston. Most of the bigger markets have multiple RSNs. Chicago has an NBCS and Marquee (a Bally affiliate). New York has YES and SNNY.
Washington has MASN and NBCS.
Since we were talking about RSNs:
https://twitter.com/jeffreya22/status/1488268688646369281?s=20&t=zt9_9NQ1nnWJXsaD990TVQ
QuoteNBCUniversal announced it will offer its regional sports networks, including NBC Sports Chicago, on a direct-to-consumer platform later this year.
So if you only watch your local pro sports teams and don't watch college basketball/football, you could conceivably ditch your cable/satellite/streaming package and just subscribe to your RSN.