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Canada to reopen borders to nonessential travel- first to Americans

Started by ozarkman417, July 19, 2021, 08:57:46 PM

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KEK Inc.

Quote from: kkt on August 11, 2021, 10:49:49 PM
So if I'm planning a day trip with no hotel involved and returning to my home in Seattle what could I put as a quarantine plan?


I literally put a random hotel in Squamish down.  I had no booking plans with any hotel since I was just there for a day trip.  If you know someone, it's probably better to use their address.   I was going to use a friend's address in Burnaby, but I didn't get permission in time.  lol
Take the road less traveled.


ghYHZ

I would be very careful with the information put into the app as there have been $20,000 fines recently for false information. (this was fake vaccine docs)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/two-travellers-from-u-s-fined-20-000-each-for-fake-vaccination-documents-1.5529627

It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.

on_wisconsin

Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.

Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
"Speed does not kill, suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you" - Jeremy Clarkson

1995hoo

Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.

Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?

Of course they can detain you. You're in their country (even if you haven't formally been granted admission). The US would allow a US citizen immediate reentry, but the Canadian authorities can take you into custody and prevent you from leaving. You're in their country, so you're subject to their law.
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kalvado

Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.

Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
Whatever that worth, my friend - a service engineer for a manufacturer of food-processing equipment , fully vaccinated at that time - was "deported" from Canada while the border was still closed.
Interview with border official went like that - Yes, your task is essential, so you can enter Canada. But I (border official) deem it to be non-urgent, so you must quarantine for 2 weeks (entire trip was planned for 2 days). After refusal, he  got official deportation order, and was escorted to an outbound flight. It is to be seen if he can still enter Canada in future.

KEK Inc.

Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
I would be very careful with the information put into the app as there have been $20,000 fines recently for false information. (this was fake vaccine docs)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/two-travellers-from-u-s-fined-20-000-each-for-fake-vaccination-documents-1.5529627

It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Well faking vaccine information is radically different than a shaky quarantine plan.  I think the quarantine plan for most visitors would be impossible if they don't know someone who lives in Canada. 

Finding a hotel is reasonable since the government did use hotels for mandatory quarantines earlier in the pandemic.  It will just be costly. 


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ghYHZ

Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?

And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?

on_wisconsin

Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 01:01:05 PM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?

And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?


Maybe, given its not against the law to have COVID and could make for an interesting court case, especially if the person involved is voluntarily willing to go back. (But, I'm not a lawyer.)
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Rothman

Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 01:01:05 PM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?

And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?


Maybe, given its not against the law to have COVID and could make for an interesting court case, especially if the person involved is voluntarily willing to go back. (But, I'm not a lawyer.)
Wut.

Customs officials have broad authority over who is let in and who isn't.
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KEK Inc.

Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 01:01:05 PM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?

And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?
Well Canada isn't allowed nonessential entry to the US until the 21st.  Mask mandates are resuming in Oregon and Snohomish County, WA, so I wouldn't be surprised if the border closes again soon thanks to the delta variant.


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on_wisconsin

Quote from: Rothman on August 12, 2021, 01:22:22 PM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 01:01:05 PM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?

And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?


Maybe, given its not against the law to have COVID and could make for an interesting court case, especially if the person involved is voluntarily willing to go back. (But, I'm not a lawyer.)
Wut.

Customs officials have broad authority over who is let in and who isn't.

True, but does US CBP have the authority to make someone who tests positive to isolate against there will for two weeks vs just forcing/ allowing them leave. 
"Speed does not kill, suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you" - Jeremy Clarkson

Rothman

Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 12, 2021, 01:22:22 PM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 01:01:05 PM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?

And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?


Maybe, given its not against the law to have COVID and could make for an interesting court case, especially if the person involved is voluntarily willing to go back. (But, I'm not a lawyer.)
Wut.

Customs officials have broad authority over who is let in and who isn't.

True, but does US CBP have the authority to make someone who tests positive to isolate against there will for two weeks vs just forcing/ allowing them leave.
Yes.
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mgk920

As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.

:meh:

Mike

JayhawkCO

Quote from: mgk920 on August 13, 2021, 12:07:52 AM
As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.

:meh:

Mike

All checkpoints are eliminated?  Unless the countries merge, I can say with 100% certainty that you will not live that long.

Chris

mgk920

Quote from: jayhawkco on August 13, 2021, 12:09:50 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 13, 2021, 12:07:52 AM
As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.

:meh:

Mike

All checkpoints are eliminated?  Unless the countries merge, I can say with 100% certainty that you will not live that long.

Chris

I remember a discussion that I had with a USA border guard in the Federal Pavilion at the Experimental Aircraft Association's annual Airventure fly-in convention in Oshkosh, WI (airport KOSH - this is a BIG DEAL, nearly 17K civil aircraft were on the grounds for it a few weeks ago this year) in the late 00s where he straight out told me with fairly good certainty that had the 2001-09-11 attack not happened, Canada and the USA were on track to eliminate the checkpoints and set up a Schengen-style system along the mutual border by about 2004.  I have heard it termed in some circles as the 'Strong Perimeter'.

Mike

kkt

Quote from: mgk920 on August 13, 2021, 12:07:52 AM
As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.

:meh:

Mike

Lots of luck with that.  The world seems to be trending toward more checkpoints and more stringent border enforcement, not less.

Roadgeekteen

US and Canada need a Schengen area. I don't see many downsides to that.
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Rothman

Quote from: mgk920 on August 13, 2021, 12:23:35 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 13, 2021, 12:09:50 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 13, 2021, 12:07:52 AM
As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.

:meh:

Mike

All checkpoints are eliminated?  Unless the countries merge, I can say with 100% certainty that you will not live that long.

Chris

I remember a discussion that I had with a USA border guard in the Federal Pavilion at the Experimental Aircraft Association's annual Airventure fly-in convention in Oshkosh, WI (airport KOSH - this is a BIG DEAL, nearly 17K civil aircraft were on the grounds for it a few weeks ago this year) in the late 00s where he straight out told me with fairly good certainty that had the 2001-09-11 attack not happened, Canada and the USA were on track to eliminate the checkpoints and set up a Schengen-style system along the mutual border by about 2004.  I have heard it termed in some circles as the 'Strong Perimeter'.

Mike
Have to say, the proportion of the background info provided to the actual point of the paragraph is very high on this one.  Could have just said "Oshkosh"; AirVenture is well-known.
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Rothman

Quote from: mgk920 on August 13, 2021, 12:07:52 AM
As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.

:meh:

Mike
That's unfortunate.  People putting their own restrictions on travel is somewhat befuddling to me, despite my understanding that not everyone can psychologically handle going through the steps needed to get from points A to B.

I am hopefully headed through Canada in less than two weeks.  Got my test appointment set up for the 72-hours prior and looking forward to making my border appointment on Canada's app.
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TXtoNJ

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 12:42:13 AM
US and Canada need a Schengen area. I don't see many downsides to that.

There are a lot of Homeland Security contractors who stand to lose there.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: TXtoNJ on August 13, 2021, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 12:42:13 AM
US and Canada need a Schengen area. I don't see many downsides to that.

There are a lot of Homeland Security contractors who stand to lose there.
Yeah I don't care. "But __ might lose their job" is never an excuse for preventing innovation and moving forward.
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kphoger

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 03:10:50 PM
Yeah I don't care. "But __ might lose their job" is never an excuse for preventing innovation and moving forward.

Except it always is.  Depending on which political party is talking, you never want to have (a) American jobs moving overseas or (b) Teamsters losing jobs.
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Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 03:10:50 PM
Yeah I don't care. "But __ might lose their job" is never an excuse for preventing innovation and moving forward.

Except it always is.  Depending on which political party is talking, you never want to have (a) American jobs moving overseas or (b) Teamsters losing jobs.
What contractors would lose their jobs anyway?
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Some Canadian provinces and territories have travel restrictions in addition to the border crossing rules established by Canada's federal government. Here is a handy guide to the restrictions still in place for travel within Canada.

The unwelcome mat is still out for leisure or other non-essential travel, including for Canadian travelers, to Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, and far northern Quebec (including the James Bay Road/Route Billy-Diamond Highway). There are more manageable travel restrictions for Manitoba and the Maritime Provinces (New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland/Labrador), which you should check if you want to go there. Otherwise, getting across the U.S./Canada border will be the hard part.
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Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 12, 2021, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: ghYHZ on August 12, 2021, 07:17:41 AM
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.

Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?

I suppose they could do that, but if you read the Canadian Government's website, it says you are allowed to exit quarantine to leave Canada. Plus, if you think about it, they're making YOU come up with a "quarantine plan" on your own, so it's clearly not going to be some forced thing if you happen to test positive.



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