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New signs on I-8 in Arizona - Series F?

Started by machias, August 01, 2021, 09:13:42 PM

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machias

I recently drove I-8 in Arizona and I noticed most of the guide signs had recently been replaced in Pinal County. I know ADOT has been using Series E Enhanced Modified, but a few of these signs look like they may have been fabricated using Series F.  Does anyone know?

Sample here.


And here's a sample of Series E Enhanced Modified on I-10


Scott5114

Sure looks like Series F to me. J.N. Winkler might be able to confirm if he has the plans for that one handy (but then again, if it's only a few panels, it could be a contractor/fabrication error).
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SkyPesos

This is my first time seeing Series F. But now I'm wondering, on the other side of the spectrum, how skinny is Series A?

Scott5114

Quote from: SkyPesos on August 01, 2021, 11:37:01 PM
This is my first time seeing Series F. But now I'm wondering, on the other side of the spectrum, how skinny is Series A?

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JoePCool14

Quote from: machias on August 01, 2021, 09:13:42 PM


I'm not sure I'd call that Series F. Series F has a very distinct, wide look to it. This looks more like Series E that's been manipulated like crazy and also has poor kerning, a common problem on newer ADOT signs.

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Scott5114

Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 02, 2021, 08:01:11 AM
I'm not sure I'd call that Series F. Series F has a very distinct, wide look to it. This looks more like Series E that's been manipulated like crazy and also has poor kerning, a common problem on newer ADOT signs.

You should call it Series F because that's what it is.
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Henry

I agree, it's Series F, the ugliest of the FHWA fonts (IMHO). EEM looks way better than this.
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roadfro

Has series F ever been used in any kind of regularity? Do any standard signs use it (other than, maybe, the numbers on a speed limit sign)? Have any agencies specified F regularly on guide signs or other non-standard signage?
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Scott5114

Quote from: roadfro on August 02, 2021, 10:36:21 PM
Has series F ever been used in any kind of regularity? Do any standard signs use it (other than, maybe, the numbers on a speed limit sign)? Have any agencies specified F regularly on guide signs or other non-standard signage?

There are a few regulatory signs that specify it, but they're all fairly uncommon ones–the "LOOK ←→" sign, "Maintain Top Safe Speed (because this area is radioactive)", etc.
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J N Winkler

Quote from: Scott5114 on August 01, 2021, 09:51:19 PMSure looks like Series F to me. J.N. Winkler might be able to confirm if he has the plans for that one handy (but then again, if it's only a few panels, it could be a contractor/fabrication error).

I think these are fabrication errors.  I did a little digging and discovered these signs were installed as part of TRACS H855701C, an I-8 sign replacement that was advertised around January 2018 and finaled out on October 25, 2018.  As it happens, I have not only the as-lets, but also draft plans from 2013 (in Clearview) and, now, the as-builts downloaded from ROAD.  The as-lets and as-builts both call for Enhanced E Modified and, where sign fabrication is concerned, there do not seem to have been any change orders (in other words, the sign panel detail sheets in the as-builts are identical to the as-lets).

Quote from: roadfro on August 02, 2021, 10:36:21 PMHas series F ever been used in any kind of regularity? Do any standard signs use it (other than, maybe, the numbers on a speed limit sign)? Have any agencies specified F regularly on guide signs or other non-standard signage?

Yes and yes.  In addition to the examples others have mentioned, Caltrans' old spec for the two-line "Wrong Way" sign used Series F rather than Series D, and word "Nebraska" in the independent-mount Nebraska state route marker is also in Series F.

I think Oklahoma DOT may even have dabbled with mixed-case Series F on freeway guide signs.
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Scott5114

Quote from: J N Winkler on August 03, 2021, 01:28:27 AM
I think Oklahoma DOT may even have dabbled with mixed-case Series F on freeway guide signs.

Oh, of course, how could I have forgotten: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4570443,-97.4905619,3a,15y,16.08h,90.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM7rHRLRnRDZa5agZfyR_mw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (which also shows dabbling in Clearview, Series D, and Series E, all on the same panel–gotta love ODOT!)
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JoePCool14

Quote from: Scott5114 on August 02, 2021, 11:55:22 PM
Quote from: roadfro on August 02, 2021, 10:36:21 PM
Has series F ever been used in any kind of regularity? Do any standard signs use it (other than, maybe, the numbers on a speed limit sign)? Have any agencies specified F regularly on guide signs or other non-standard signage?

There are a few regulatory signs that specify it, but they're all fairly uncommon ones–the "LOOK ←→" sign, "Maintain Top Safe Speed (because this area is radioactive)", etc.

The old Night Speed Limit sign also uses Series F for the text, but not the numerals.

Also, yes, you are all probably right about the OP being Series F.

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