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Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: peterj920 on January 25, 2023, 11:53:17 AM
WISDOT has an odd way of signing "TO"  each highway which is evident in Green Bay. On I-43, there is a TO Wis 32 shield on the BGS with Wis 172 and I don't think it's needed since there's many other exits that motorists are using besides the Wis 32/Ashland Ave. Yet on I-41, a TO Wis 32 shield is omitted from the Ashland Ave exit when it would be more appropriate to use since the exit is a direct connection with Wis 32. From Wis 32, the connection is signed as I-41 south.

Another place where TO signage would be useful is on I-41 south at Wis 60 where a TO Wis 164 sign would be useful since Wis 164 is close to I-41 and it's a route that many motorists would use. On Wis 164 north, there is a To I-41 sign.

In other cases, WISDOT simply co-signs a highway with another to avoid using a "To"  sign. Wis 91 is co-signed with Wis 44 to end at I-41 in Oshkosh and Wis 182 is co-signed with Wis 47 to US 51 instead of ending at the highways they run concurrent with.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 25, 2023, 11:55:58 AM
Here is the sign in question in your first paragraph.

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4497814,-87.9547582,3a,75y,288.19h,96.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJYupWLJcrdMz81ppOAGq8Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

It is very odd. Think the TO sign should be for I-41.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: JREwing78 on January 25, 2023, 08:13:57 PM
Agreed. I suspect the Hwy 172 BGS is a relic that was never updated.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 08:35:44 AM
What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

Some examples

-County Highway K (60th St) supposedly ends at WIS31 but you see no signage indicating such and when traveling on WIS 31, there are signs saying that highway K continues east

https://maps.app.goo.gl/7ywNTgMrQj2Agd8F7

But when traveling further east on 60th, there are no signs indicating this.

Same thing with county Highway S, there's no END sign

https://maps.app.goo.gl/qkyWGUs74ridrii6A

The only signs that indicate that you are driving on County Highway G or Y, are the ones from the intersection with KR. Otherwise there's no clue as to when each of them begin or end.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/csgt2mjd6h4KbMFX8

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZQmYU9ctTuXYwUEX6

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

And finally, the only Wisconsin Highway that traverses the entirety of Kenosha county from East to West is WIS50 (until the widening project is done then it will be cut to WIS31).

I'm sure there are more examples than this but these are the biggest offenders. Perhaps, this should be it's own thread.



Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 26, 2023, 08:52:35 AM
I don't recall ever seeing an end sign for a county highway in Wisconsin anywhere.  Regardless, county highways in urban locations are rather useless - they simply tell you about jurisdiction and not direction.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: Big John on January 26, 2023, 09:19:08 AM
^^
https://goo.gl/maps/q7TgkCe3qS4Nnt9x7
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: mgk920 on January 26, 2023, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 26, 2023, 08:52:35 AM
I don't recall ever seeing an end sign for a county highway in Wisconsin anywhere.  Regardless, county highways in urban locations are rather useless - they simply tell you about jurisdiction and not direction.

There are plenty of 'end' County (xx) signs here in the Appleton, WI  area, too.

Example, SB Ballard Rd (Outagamie County 'E')approaching Northland Ave (Outagamie County 'OO'/old US 41) in Appleton:
https://goo.gl/maps/AQMt5YLgqjyzExpY6

County 'E' was cut back from Wisconsin Ave (WI 96) a few years ago, too, and that part of Ballard Rd is now an Appleton city street.

Mike
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 26, 2023, 09:37:49 AM
Well, I obviously misremembered, but again I don't think a lack of end signs for county highways in urban areas is that big of a deal.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: peterj920 on January 26, 2023, 11:04:27 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 26, 2023, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 26, 2023, 08:52:35 AM
I don't recall ever seeing an end sign for a county highway in Wisconsin anywhere.  Regardless, county highways in urban locations are rather useless - they simply tell you about jurisdiction and not direction.

There are plenty of 'end' County (xx) signs here in the Appleton, WI  area, too.

Example, SB Ballard Rd (Outagamie County 'E')approaching Northland Ave (Outagamie County 'OO'/old US 41) in Appleton:
https://goo.gl/maps/AQMt5YLgqjyzExpY6

County 'E' was cut back from Wisconsin Ave (WI 96) a few years ago, too, and that part of Ballard Rd is now an Appleton city street.

Mike

County KK once went along John St in Appleton but there wasn't an end sign anywhere. The street was redone and now County KK ends at John St with an end sign on Calumet Street. In nearby Chilton County F ended at US 151 in the city. State Street was redone and County F ends at State Street now with no connection to US 151. It's signed as "To F."  

Calumet County is trying to eliminate county highways in urban areas which is why County LP was removed after it was redone.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 02:27:07 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 26, 2023, 08:52:35 AM
I don't recall ever seeing an end sign for a county highway in Wisconsin anywhere.  Regardless, county highways in urban locations are rather useless - they simply tell you about jurisdiction and not direction.

There's no end sign for County Highway H here either

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Bi5UQJ6ccLxKveYy7


In Illinois, county highways don't seem to enter large municipalities either but at least you get a sign stating as such. Like here


https://maps.app.goo.gl/RLS2eUbjQwdhxeDeA

Here

2205 Cty W34
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MQuxGFQ79HbZo7HQ6

And here

https://maps.app.goo.gl/WQTsZD6Kh6aG7hir6
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 26, 2023, 10:29:40 PM
County designations in cities don't really matter much to the general motorist, since the street name will almost universally be preferred to the county route designation (unless the county route number is the only name for the road), even in somewhere like MSP that the county routes are generally well-signed at all levels.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 26, 2023, 10:29:40 PM
County designations in cities don't really matter much to the general motorist, since the street name will almost universally be preferred to the county route designation (unless the county route number is the only name for the road), even in somewhere like MSP that the county routes are generally well-signed at all levels.

Yeah I've been there. The county roads are even signed on the traffic signals and they go through the cities
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: skluth on January 27, 2023, 02:33:45 PM
This "END XX" sign in Allouez (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4629836,-88.0356392,3a,27.3y,322.06h,87.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skcdBe3Bk3J3wNBeUv89pWQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) has been there since I was a kid.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 27, 2023, 05:40:40 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 26, 2023, 10:29:40 PM
County designations in cities don't really matter much to the general motorist, since the street name will almost universally be preferred to the county route designation (unless the county route number is the only name for the road), even in somewhere like MSP that the county routes are generally well-signed at all levels.

Yeah I've been there. The county roads are even signed on the traffic signals and they go through the cities

This has created occasional headaches for the core cities when they want to more promptly deal with what they see as a problem street but are hamstrung by the fact it's not under their jurisdiction. I get the sense Lyndale Avenue south of I-94 and the Hennepin Avenue split is one of these.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 27, 2023, 08:00:43 PM
Quote from: skluth on January 27, 2023, 02:33:45 PM
This "END XX" sign in Allouez (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4629836,-88.0356392,3a,27.3y,322.06h,87.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skcdBe3Bk3J3wNBeUv89pWQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) has been there since I was a kid.

And I just drove through that intersection last week...  :banghead:
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: Crash_It on January 28, 2023, 01:32:43 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 27, 2023, 05:40:40 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 26, 2023, 10:29:40 PM
County designations in cities don't really matter much to the general motorist, since the street name will almost universally be preferred to the county route designation (unless the county route number is the only name for the road), even in somewhere like MSP that the county routes are generally well-signed at all levels.

Yeah I've been there. The county roads are even signed on the traffic signals and they go through the cities

This has created occasional headaches for the core cities when they want to more promptly deal with what they see as a problem street but are hamstrung by the fact it's not under their jurisdiction. I get the sense Lyndale Avenue south of I-94 and the Hennepin Avenue split is one of these.

Might be different in Minnesota but in Illinois and Wisconsin especially, lots of municipalities rarely do anything to the roads , driving through Kenosha would make that extremely evident County and state maintained roads usually are in better condition.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: peterj920 on January 28, 2023, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 27, 2023, 05:40:40 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 26, 2023, 10:29:40 PM
County designations in cities don't really matter much to the general motorist, since the street name will almost universally be preferred to the county route designation (unless the county route number is the only name for the road), even in somewhere like MSP that the county routes are generally well-signed at all levels.

Yeah I've been there. The county roads are even signed on the traffic signals and they go through the cities

This has created occasional headaches for the core cities when they want to more promptly deal with what they see as a problem street but are hamstrung by the fact it's not under their jurisdiction. I get the sense Lyndale Avenue south of I-94 and the Hennepin Avenue split is one of these.

In urbanized areas of Wisconsin, state highways are under the jurisdiction of the city and are connecting highways in which WISDOT gives connecting highway funds to the cities.

WISDOT has lists and maps of all connecting highways below:
https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/data-plan/plan-res/connecting.aspx
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: JoePCool14 on January 28, 2023, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 08:35:44 AM
What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: peterj920 on January 29, 2023, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 28, 2023, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 08:35:44 AM
What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

On the Wisconsinhighways.org site, and the Wisconsin Trunkline map, it still shows Wis 158 ending east of Wis 32 at 6th Street in Kenosha. The site states that in 1958, 52nd street in Kenosha was designated as Wis 158.

Speaking of Wis 158, County S has become the better route as Kenosha County has expanded it to four lanes to I-94 while Wis 158 is still 2 lanes.


Links below:

http://www.wisconsinhighways.org/listings/WiscHwys150-159.html#STH-158

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/kenosha.pdf

Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: JoePCool14 on January 29, 2023, 07:32:21 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on January 29, 2023, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 28, 2023, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 08:35:44 AM
What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

Okay. I wonder if that part of the deal fell through then. Regardless of the reason, I'm in support of WI-50 going all the way to WI-32.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: dvferyance on January 31, 2023, 09:22:06 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 26, 2023, 08:52:35 AM
I don't recall ever seeing an end sign for a county highway in Wisconsin anywhere.  Regardless, county highways in urban locations are rather useless - they simply tell you about jurisdiction and not direction.
Waukesha County has them basically everywhere.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: dvferyance on January 31, 2023, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on January 29, 2023, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 28, 2023, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 08:35:44 AM
What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

On the Wisconsinhighways.org site, and the Wisconsin Trunkline map, it still shows Wis 158 ending east of Wis 32 at 6th Street in Kenosha. The site states that in 1958, 52nd street in Kenosha was designated as Wis 158.

Speaking of Wis 158, County S has become the better route as Kenosha County has expanded it to four lanes to I-94 while Wis 158 is still 2 lanes.


Links below:

http://www.wisconsinhighways.org/listings/WiscHwys150-159.html#STH-158

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/kenosha.pdf
Yeah I wondered when the expansion was done was WI-142 going to be extended back east to at least WI-31. Does not appear to be the case. It seems unusual that such a major wide 4 lane highway which has a state highway feel to it would just be left a county road.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: Crash_It on February 01, 2023, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 29, 2023, 07:32:21 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on January 29, 2023, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 28, 2023, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 08:35:44 AM
What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

Okay. I wonder if that part of the deal fell through then. Regardless of the reason, I'm in support of WI-50 going all the way to WI-32.

Especially since it's the only Wisconsin State Highway that traverses the whole county from East to West vs in Lake County IL there are several choices.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: JoePCool14 on February 01, 2023, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on February 01, 2023, 10:30:05 PM
Especially since it's the only Wisconsin State Highway that traverses the whole county from East to West vs in Lake County IL there are several choices.

I still prefer one WI-50 over the several inadequate IL routes, IL-173, IL-176, and IL-120.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: Crash_It on February 02, 2023, 05:23:22 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 01, 2023, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on February 01, 2023, 10:30:05 PM
Especially since it's the only Wisconsin State Highway that traverses the whole county from East to West vs in Lake County IL there are several choices.

I still prefer one WI-50 over the several inadequate IL routes, IL-173, IL-176, and IL-120.

It's not that they're inadequate, if people knew how to drive they would be fine, especially 176 through Ivanhoe. So many drivers are terrified of those curves and hills. WiSDOT doesn't know how to properly time and synchronize the traffic lights. You'll stop at every single light on both WIS50 and WIS31.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: dvferyance on February 02, 2023, 07:30:30 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on February 01, 2023, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 29, 2023, 07:32:21 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on January 29, 2023, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 28, 2023, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 08:35:44 AM
What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

Okay. I wonder if that part of the deal fell through then. Regardless of the reason, I'm in support of WI-50 going all the way to WI-32.

Especially since it's the only Wisconsin State Highway that traverses the whole county from East to West vs in Lake County IL there are several choices.
You can argue that is due to geographical reasons. Lake County is much bigger from north to south than Kenosha County is.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: StogieGuy7 on February 08, 2023, 09:25:35 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on February 02, 2023, 05:23:22 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 01, 2023, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on February 01, 2023, 10:30:05 PM
Especially since it's the only Wisconsin State Highway that traverses the whole county from East to West vs in Lake County IL there are several choices.

I still prefer one WI-50 over the several inadequate IL routes, IL-173, IL-176, and IL-120.

It's not that they're inadequate, if people knew how to drive they would be fine, especially 176 through Ivanhoe. So many drivers are terrified of those curves and hills. WiSDOT doesn't know how to properly time and synchronize the traffic lights. You'll stop at every single light on both WIS50 and WIS31.

Sorry, but no. All three IL routes are terribly inadequate. IL-120 is partially a freeway, but it unceremoniously ends as a 2-lane in Wildwood and then proceeds to be a horrible drive westward with dozens of traffic signals, level RR crossings, etc. IL-173 and IL-176 are pretty much that way from end to end.  WI-50, OTOH isn't perfect; there are lights here and there and there's the Paddock Lake speed trap that brings a little slice of Mississippi into the north. Nor are drivers in Wisconsin in any way superior to Illinoisans. To the contrary, given the horrible lack of driving skills I see on display here on a daily basis, I actually wonder if there even is drivers' ed in Wisconsin. But I digress....

In summary, WI-50 s a lot faster and when I lived in Lake County, I'd literally drive 15-20 minutes up I-94 to catch 50 for the ride west if I had to travel somewhere like Lake Geneva or Madison or Minneapolis. It's way better than any option on the Illinois side, which is horribly lacking in decent east-west routes.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: hobsini2 on February 11, 2023, 06:22:44 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on February 01, 2023, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 29, 2023, 07:32:21 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on January 29, 2023, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 28, 2023, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 08:35:44 AM
What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

Okay. I wonder if that part of the deal fell through then. Regardless of the reason, I'm in support of WI-50 going all the way to WI-32.

Especially since it's the only Wisconsin State Highway that traverses the whole county from East to West vs in Lake County IL there are several choices.
Are we really nitpicking this? There's plenty of good roads to go east-west in Kenosha County. Hwy C, Hwy 142/S for example.  And if you really are going to nitpick the lack of roads that go east-west in Kenosha County because they don't go from end to end in the county, then you can't count Route 22, Route 60, Route 176, Route 120 and Route 132 because they aren't signed all the way to Sheridan Rd despite their roads reaching it. Only Route 137 and Route 173 do.

Also, Kenosha County at its widest going north-south is 12 miles. Lake County is 23 1/2 miles. Do see how silly your argument is?

So please stop with your Wisconsin bashing. We all know you love to jab it when you can but it gets old quick.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: SEWIGuy on February 11, 2023, 07:43:16 AM
Not only does it get old, but the "bashing" is largely over silly stuff based on whacky opinions more than anything.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: Rothman on February 11, 2023, 10:03:29 AM
At this point, I believe you're just yelling into the void...
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: GeekJedi on February 11, 2023, 12:40:40 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on January 25, 2023, 11:53:17 AM
WISDOT has an odd way of signing "TO"  each highway which is evident in Green Bay. On I-43, there is a TO Wis 32 shield on the BGS with Wis 172 and I don't think it's needed since there's many other exits that motorists are using besides the Wis 32/Ashland Ave. Yet on I-41, a TO Wis 32 shield is omitted from the Ashland Ave exit when it would be more appropriate to use since the exit is a direct connection with Wis 32. From Wis 32, the connection is signed as I-41 south.

Another place where TO signage would be useful is on I-41 south at Wis 60 where a TO Wis 164 sign would be useful since Wis 164 is close to I-41 and it's a route that many motorists would use. On Wis 164 north, there is a To I-41 sign.

In other cases, WISDOT simply co-signs a highway with another to avoid using a "To"  sign. Wis 91 is co-signed with Wis 44 to end at I-41 in Oshkosh and Wis 182 is co-signed with Wis 47 to US 51 instead of ending at the highways they run concurrent with.


They are pretty inconsistent that way. It seems that they use the "TO" signs quite a bit on routes near major highways. I could be wrong (and often am) but I wonder if the reason they didn't sign 164 at 60 is to keep the traffic level down on 164, like what they tried to do by changing the control city to Rosendale on 151 at 26. There was a lot of local pushback on the northern leg of 164, and it will be a tough battle if they ever have the need to four lane that section.

That is total wild speculation on my part though.
Title: Inconsistent “TO” Hwy Signage in Wisconsin
Post by: gr8daynegb on May 31, 2023, 07:06:03 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on January 29, 2023, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 28, 2023, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 08:35:44 AM
What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

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This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

On the Wisconsinhighways.org site, and the Wisconsin Trunkline map, it still shows Wis 158 ending east of Wis 32 at 6th Street in Kenosha. The site states that in 1958, 52nd street in Kenosha was designated as Wis 158.

Speaking of Wis 158, County S has become the better route as Kenosha County has expanded it to four lanes to I-94 while Wis 158 is still 2 lanes.


Links below:

http://www.wisconsinhighways.org/listings/WiscHwys150-159.html#STH-158

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/kenosha.pdf


The Wisconsinhighways.org page appears to be last edited in 2016.  As much as I like that page it is being more and more inaccurate. 

My own personal favorite "To" sign inconsistency is in Oconto at the former end of WI-22.  Going south they have the correct To 22 sign, going north they have the old 22 <--  sign

But if I was to nitpick in the Green Bay area would why no End 172 going eastbound, and why no End 141 at it's end south of town(used to have an end sign, replaced only with a JCT-MM).