NYC Roads

[empirestate]

What's the story with the parkways in NYC? Is it the NYC Parks Dept?

No, it's always either the city or state DOT, or both (split jurisdiction). For a rundown, see p. 70 of the touring route manual.

[vdeane]

Yeah, with the expressways and surface roads, it's easy to say "all are X except for Y" (the NYSDOT surface roads are NY 895 and Rockaway Boulevard - which begs the question of why NY 878 has a gap in the first place).  Not so with the parkways!

[Alps]

Yeah, with the expressways and surface roads, it's easy to say "all are X except for Y" (the NYSDOT surface roads are NY 895 and Rockaway Boulevard - which begs the question of why NY 878 has a gap in the first place).  Not so with the parkways!

because they never redefined 878 over the existing roads! it could still be built! <s>

[roadman65]

I see in GSV that the toll booths at the Goethals Bridge have been removed.  The plaza especially the office bridge over the lanes is still up.

What other PA NYNJ crossings have gone cash less?

[NoGoodNamesAvailable]

I see in GSV that the toll booths at the Goethals Bridge have been removed.  The plaza especially the office bridge over the lanes is still up.

What other PA NYNJ crossings have gone cash less?

The Lincoln and GWB Upper level have toll booths. Everything else is cashless

[ixnay]

I see in GSV that the toll booths at the Goethals Bridge have been removed.  The plaza especially the office bridge over the lanes is still up.

What other PA NYNJ crossings have gone cash less?

The Lincoln and GWB Upper level have toll booths. Everything else is cashless

What about the Holland?

ixnay

[NoGoodNamesAvailable]

The Lincoln and GWB Upper level have toll booths. Everything else is cashless

What about the Holland?

ixnay

Holland is cashless. The toll structure has only been partially demolished, but most of the booths are removed so it's free flowing traffic into the tunnel

[ixnay]

The Lincoln and GWB Upper level have toll booths. Everything else is cashless

What about the Holland?

ixnay

Holland is cashless. The toll structure has only been partially demolished, but most of the booths are removed so it's free flowing traffic into the tunnel

I see.  The ends of the barrier were gone as of Nov. 2020, although Google Sat shows the barrier as still fully functioning.

How much lag is there usually between capturing Google Sat and GSV views when it comes to updating?

And any idea when the Lincoln and George will become fully cashless?

ixnay

[roadman65]

The Lincoln and GWB Upper level have toll booths. Everything else is cashless

What about the Holland?

ixnay

Holland is cashless. The toll structure has only been partially demolished, but most of the booths are removed so it's free flowing traffic into the tunnel

I see.  The ends of the barrier were gone as of Nov. 2020, although Google Sat shows the barrier as still fully functioning.

How much lag is there usually between capturing Google Sat and GSV views when it comes to updating?

And any idea when the Lincoln and George will become fully cashless?

ixnay

How are all the lanes on 12th Street now merging without the barrier? Remember the tunnel is only two lanes and 12th Street is super wide.

[storm2k]

The Lincoln and GWB Upper level have toll booths. Everything else is cashless

What about the Holland?

ixnay

Holland is cashless. The toll structure has only been partially demolished, but most of the booths are removed so it's free flowing traffic into the tunnel

I see.  The ends of the barrier were gone as of Nov. 2020, although Google Sat shows the barrier as still fully functioning.

How much lag is there usually between capturing Google Sat and GSV views when it comes to updating?

And any idea when the Lincoln and George will become fully cashless?

ixnay

How are all the lanes on 12th Street now merging without the barrier? Remember the tunnel is only two lanes and 12th Street is super wide.

GSV is updated as of November. Looks like they've narrowed 12th St down to around 3 lanes heading into the toll plaza. I haven't seen any plans, but I presume they'll just leave it narrowed down like that and traffic should just funnel through since there's no need to stop at a toll booth now.

[roadman65]

Someone in another thread wanted to know what state had the most/least amount of traffic signals. 

Here is what Google has to say about NYC.
How many traffic signals are there in New York City? As of June 30, 2011, there were 12,460 intersections with traffic signals citywide, including 2,820 in Manhattan, 1,605 in the Bronx, 4,371 in Brooklyn, 3,119 in Queens and 545 in Staten Island.

If any lights were added I am sure they were on Staten Island as I can't see the other boroughs expanding them in the last ten years.

[crispy93]

Someone in another thread wanted to know what state had the most/least amount of traffic signals. 

Here is what Google has to say about NYC.
How many traffic signals are there in New York City? As of June 30, 2011, there were 12,460 intersections with traffic signals citywide, including 2,820 in Manhattan, 1,605 in the Bronx, 4,371 in Brooklyn, 3,119 in Queens and 545 in Staten Island.

If any lights were added I am sure they were on Staten Island as I can't see the other boroughs expanding them in the last ten years.

I asked NYCDOT to allow right-on-red at an intersection with no cross traffic and was told no: https://goo.gl/maps/LATaVfr3DJ7qP8Xv7

When I'm driving to Long Island, the Cross Island between the Throgs Neck Bridge and the LIE is always the worst leg of the trip. It all seems to be volume getting on the LIE. Since the LIE is always backed up, and the exit from the CIP is a tight squeeze, the mainline of the CIP southbound backs up back to the bridge. I feel like extending the short deceleration lane for the queuing cars might help: https://goo.gl/maps/e62rJuEZjHFfBjpq8 Also doesn't help that half the traffic getting off do so at the very last second.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/LATaVfr3DJ7qP8Xv7

That should be a permitted turn.  Considering NY State is a Blue State with both DiBlasio and Cuomo being anti pollution, they both would push for intersections like these to RTOR to cut down on CO2 emissions.

[storm2k]

https://goo.gl/maps/LATaVfr3DJ7qP8Xv7

That should be a permitted turn.  Considering NY State is a Blue State with both DiBlasio and Cuomo being anti pollution, they both would push for intersections like these to RTOR to cut down on CO2 emissions.

NTOR is city-wide and that's likely never going to change.

[Alps]

https://goo.gl/maps/LATaVfr3DJ7qP8Xv7

That should be a permitted turn.  Considering NY State is a Blue State with both DiBlasio and Cuomo being anti pollution, they both would push for intersections like these to RTOR to cut down on CO2 emissions.

NTOR is city-wide and that's likely never going to change.

You will not see NTOR removed if there is a conflicting crosswalk.

[empirestate]

https://goo.gl/maps/LATaVfr3DJ7qP8Xv7

That should be a permitted turn.  Considering NY State is a Blue State with both DiBlasio and Cuomo being anti pollution, they both would push for intersections like these to RTOR to cut down on CO2 emissions.

NTOR is city-wide and that's likely never going to change.

Perhaps, but there are many intersections where the restriction is waived.

You will not see NTOR removed if there is a conflicting crosswalk.

That was my guess as to the reason–although it may be more accurate to say marked crosswalk, as there is an implicit unmarked crosswalk at any intersection.

[SignBridge]

No conflicting crosswalk at that intersection as there is no sidewalk on the left side of the road. Puzzling that NYC would not permit Right-on-red after stop there, or even install a right-turn green arrow.

Mayor DiBlasio is anti-traffic movement. He thinks 25 mph is a reasonable speed-limit for Queens Blvd. So maybe not so surprising at that.

[empirestate]

No conflicting crosswalk at that intersection as there is no sidewalk on the left side of the road. Puzzling that NYC would not permit Right-on-red after stop there, or even install a right-turn green arrow.

This would be a right turn on red–there is a crosswalk conflicting with that movement.

More pertinent than the crosswalk though, is that this looks to me like a fire station signal. If it's turning red then you probably do want to stop all movements, including right turns.

[vdeane]

No conflicting crosswalk at that intersection as there is no sidewalk on the left side of the road. Puzzling that NYC would not permit Right-on-red after stop there, or even install a right-turn green arrow.

This would be a right turn on red–there is a crosswalk conflicting with that movement.

More pertinent than the crosswalk though, is that this looks to me like a fire station signal. If it's turning red then you probably do want to stop all movements, including right turns.

I was wondering why that signal even exists.  There are no pedestrian signals in the area, so it clearly wasn't put in to protect that crosswalk, which is marked but uncontrolled.

[empirestate]

I was wondering why that signal even exists.  There are no pedestrian signals in the area, so it clearly wasn't put in to protect that crosswalk, which is marked but uncontrolled.

Yeah, and there are no markings for the intersection itself, and no traffic this signal could apply to if not the fire house. In fact, literally the only conflicting movement anywhere in this intersection would be right turns versus pedestrians in the crosswalk. So allowing RTOR wouldn't make sense–if it came to that, you'd just not have the signal and let it work as any other side street.

And, oh, I think we can say with utmost certainty that the political motivations of the various local officials are altogether meaningless here. :-)

[NoGoodNamesAvailable]

If any lights were added I am sure they were on Staten Island as I can't see the other boroughs expanding them in the last ten years.

Nah, there has been a fair amount of new signal installation all over the city. NYC is pretty aggressive with installing traffic signals based on pedestrian volume warrants. If you make a request to the commissioner for a signal and it meets a warrant, it's likely to be installed, although the process takes a while.

[fmendes]

Someone in another thread wanted to know what state had the most/least amount of traffic signals. 

Here is what Google has to say about NYC.
How many traffic signals are there in New York City? As of June 30, 2011, there were 12,460 intersections with traffic signals citywide, including 2,820 in Manhattan, 1,605 in the Bronx, 4,371 in Brooklyn, 3,119 in Queens and 545 in Staten Island.

If any lights were added I am sure they were on Staten Island as I can't see the other boroughs expanding them in the last ten years.

I asked NYCDOT to allow right-on-red at an intersection with no cross traffic and was told no: https://goo.gl/maps/LATaVfr3DJ7qP8Xv7

When I'm driving to Long Island, the Cross Island between the Throgs Neck Bridge and the LIE is always the worst leg of the trip. It all seems to be volume getting on the LIE. Since the LIE is always backed up, and the exit from the CIP is a tight squeeze, the mainline of the CIP southbound backs up back to the bridge. I feel like extending the short deceleration lane for the queuing cars might help: https://goo.gl/maps/e62rJuEZjHFfBjpq8 Also doesn't help that half the traffic getting off do so at the very last second.

what they should do is use the wide left hand shoulder on the ramp and make it so u can exit from the Decell lane and the Right lane making the ramp 2 lanes cause the ramp before it merges with the ramp from NB CIP goes into 2 lanes so it would make sense and would accomadate drivers merging at the very last moment

[SidS1045]

NTOR is city-wide and that's likely never going to change.

IIRC it is a state law, worded so as to prohibit right-turn-on-red unless a sign is posted permitting it, in cities of over one million population.  It was enacted in the 1930's at the request of the city council and Mayor LaGuardia and is in the state's drivers manual.

[empirestate]

IIRC it is a state law, worded so as to prohibit right-turn-on-red unless a sign is posted permitting it, in cities of over one million population.  It was enacted in the 1930's at the request of the city council and Mayor LaGuardia and is in the state's drivers manual.

There's even one further nuance, if I'm not mistaken. The state law does't directly prohibit RTOR in cities over one million, but rather empowers such cities to do so.

[vdeane]

NTOR is city-wide and that's likely never going to change.

IIRC it is a state law, worded so as to prohibit right-turn-on-red unless a sign is posted permitting it, in cities of over one million population.  It was enacted in the 1930's at the request of the city council and Mayor LaGuardia and is in the state's drivers manual.

I thought RTOR originated in the 70s oil crisis and before then was banned everywhere.  How would the legislation enabling NYC to ban it originate in the 30s?