To big hurricanes within one month! What is going on?
Obviously you missed 2005.
Happens from time to time. Has to do with ocean currents and water temperatures. It's happened naturally from the dawn of time.
Bound to happen sooner or later, the last ten years were pretty oddly quiet.
These two major hurricanes in close proximity to eachother are tragic and damaging nonetheless, but this is certainly not unheard of. What's going on is simply weather.
Jennifer Lawrence says its Mother Nature getting even with our nation for electing Donald Trump as POTUS.
I am sure some are blaming Global Warming..... oh wait its now climate change ( I must be politically correct) and some Left Wingers are most likely blaming Bush and Rush Limbaugh for their disbelief in polar ice caps melting.
To each his own in beliefs, but IMO I say it goes in cycles over linear time. Remember each era in history has its share of something. However, in 2004 Florida got 3 hurricanes (4 if you include Ivan that hit the Panhandle which never effected the Peninsula like the other 3 did) and before that hardly anything for decades. Now 13 years later we have Irma with possible more behind her.
When dealing with nature you have to accept the inconsistency of weather and natural events as you will never find the right answer IMHO.
I heard an idiot reporter on the radio asking an expert if the Mexican earthquake was the result of climate change.
Quote from: GaryV on September 09, 2017, 06:38:27 AM
I heard an idiot reporter on the radio asking an expert if the Mexican earthquake was the result of climate change.
We live in a very political world, so even nature now is caused because of politics in many minds.
It is a big unusual that 2 consecutive large hurricanes are hitting the US. That doesn't happen too often. Irma has lucked out (as a hurricane) by spinning in open waters without anything impacting it, such as wind sheer, etc. Large hurricanes usually get hit with something that'll reduce its wind speed and break it up a little.
In the meantime, a guy in my carpool has been "studying" what can be done to these storms, like sending planes over it to drop chemicals into the hurricane to break it up. He even found something where someone patented an idea, so obviously that has to work. Why aren't we doing that stuff, he says. That's what I had to listen to on my commute this week!
Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2017, 04:30:14 AMJennifer Lawrence says its Mother Nature getting even with our nation for electing Donald Trump as POTUS.
Which is just as outlandish, bigoted and idiotic as those blaming it on Houston electing a Lesbian Mayor. The latter are rightly ostracised (and it will haunt them forever), however I doubt JLaw will get anything much beyond some laughter at her for a few days.
One of the TV weathermen–I think it was Al Roker on NBC–said hurricane development is aided by this not being an El Niño year. Something to do with wind shear in El Niño years hampering the development of the really major hurricanes.
The hurricanes can't be as a punishment for electing Trump, as Irma is hitting the Democratic area of Miami, tilting Florida's balance toward the Republicans.
Normal hurricane season, I mean nature, not politics. From 2006 to 2016, no hurricane landed in the US mainland, although Superstorm Sandy in Oct 2012 was a result of the merger of cyclone with blizzard (which is known to happen a few times in US weather history). 2004 and 2005 were the busiest hurricane seasons, esp for Florida (Wilma the strongest, Katrina's flooding New Orleans and Rita where they had Harvey last month) - total of 10 storms (5 ecah year). Not sure if Irma will make landfall on Miami, but the path crosses Tampa, becomes tropical storm over Jacksonville or Georgia, and finally a depression over Nashville. The Carolinas had Matthew land on their coasts last year, and a tropical depression last week. Florida had TS Emily and Louisiana had TS Cindy. Mexico braces itself for Katia in the northeast, meanwhile a M8.1 earthquake hit their southeast. And southern CA received rain from what was Lidia on Labor day weekend.
Quote from: Desert Man on September 09, 2017, 08:51:23 AM
Normal hurricane season, I mean nature, not politics. From 2006 to 2016, no hurricane landed in the US mainland, although Superstorm Sandy in Oct 2012 was a result of the merger of cyclone with blizzard (which is known to happen a few times in US weather history). 2004 and 2005 were the busiest hurricane seasons, esp for Florida (Wilma the strongest, Katrina's flooding New Orleans and Rita where they had Harvey last month) - total of 10 storms (5 ecah year). Not sure if Irma will make landfall on Miami, but the path crosses Tampa, becomes tropical storm over Jacksonville or Georgia, and finally a depression over Nashville. The Carolinas had Matthew land on their coasts last year, and a tropical depression last week. Florida had TS Emily and Louisiana had TS Cindy. Mexico braces itself for Katia in the northeast, meanwhile a M8.1 earthquake hit their southeast. And southern CA received rain from what was Lidia on Labor day weekend.
..and Jose is right behind Irma. But it's fine because there's no way Trump's letting Jose in. :bigass:
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Quote from: GaryV on September 09, 2017, 06:38:27 AM
I heard an idiot reporter on the radio asking an expert if the Mexican earthquake was the result of climate change.
We live in a very political world, so even nature now is caused because of politics in many minds.
What if climate change is the result of politicians' hot air? :hmmm:
Quote from: SSOWorld on September 09, 2017, 09:23:01 AM
..and Jose is right behind Irma. But it's fine because there's no way Trump's letting Jose in. :bigass:
:-D
Quote from: Brandon on September 09, 2017, 12:07:10 AM
Obviously you missed 2005.
It's not like we ran out of names for Atlantic storms and lasted until January 2006...
...oh wait, we did.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 09, 2017, 08:35:57 AM
One of the TV weathermen–I think it was Al Roker on NBC–said hurricane development is aided by this not being an El Niño year. Something to do with wind shear in El Niño years hampering the development of the really major hurricanes.
That's exactly right. I haven't heard him say that lately, but I have heard him say it and he went on to say that periods of high tropical cyclone activity, lasting years, tend to cycle with periods of low activity.
In response to some of the other posts in this thread, I haven't heard any serious meteorologists or climate scientists claim that this or any other hurricane is a result of global warming. What I have heard them say is that the intensity and size of tropical cyclones will increase, not the overall number of storms. This is actually the simplest of sciences, something we all learned in junior high school: heat is a form of energy. So when you increase the amount of heat in a system, you increase the amount of energy along with it. That energy is bound to go somewhere. This is why there is no prediction of more storms, just larger and stronger storms.
You can look at satellite pictures of major hurricanes of the past, like Camille and Andrew, and compare them to pictures of Katrina and Irma and you'll see that the strongest storms are getting larger.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 08, 2017, 11:34:39 PM
To big hurricanes within one month! What is going on?
That's really not so unusual. 2005 was even more active than this year, with so many named storms they ran out of names and had to resort to naming them with Greek letters.
We've had exceedingly active years for hurricanes as long as we've been keeping records, and I mean records of any kind at all, throughout written history. One famously active season of the rather distant past was the 1780 season, which actually helped the fledgling USA establish itself by driving away would-be invaders. The Great Hurricane of 1780 was the deadliest Atlantic cyclone of all recorded time.
Quote from: english si on September 09, 2017, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2017, 04:30:14 AMJennifer Lawrence says its Mother Nature getting even with our nation for electing Donald Trump as POTUS.
Which is just as outlandish, bigoted and idiotic as those blaming it on Houston electing a Lesbian Mayor. The latter are rightly ostracised (and it will haunt them forever), however I doubt JLaw will get anything much beyond some laughter at her for a few days.
Usually news media loves to put a mike in front of celebrities and social media grabs it. Or in some cases the news media makes a certain celebrity out to be like a spokesperson for one of the two political parties and always airing their outlandish childish remarks noted.
In general we all have our childish side and politicians and actors are no better. It just that people feel better when they say the childish stuff that their teachers and parents shamed them into saying out and about and having an audience helps with that. Heck we have that here on this forum, you have trolls on here who say childish and insulting stuff and when you have some of the other users on here encourage the troll it just makes them feel better and the ego inflates and self worship begins.
Then also you have Rush Limbaugh who says that Clinton (both hubby and wifey) and Obama came into power to want us to be poor so they can be our savior for us to make them feel important and build up their own egos at the same time.
Bottom line is if you have a following like radio and Hollywood, you can say or do the most dispicable things and be quoted on both regular and social media and be treated as an important figure in the universe for that same response that would get us lay people called names and have the word "Duh" directed to us.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on September 09, 2017, 08:35:57 AM
One of the TV weathermen–I think it was Al Roker on NBC–said hurricane development is aided by this not being an El Niño year. Something to do with wind shear in El Niño years hampering the development of the really major hurricanes.
That's exactly right. I haven't heard him say that lately, but I have heard him say it and he went on to say that periods of high tropical cyclone activity, lasting years, tend to cycle with periods of low activity.
In response to some of the other posts in this thread, I haven't heard any serious meteorologists or climate scientists claim that this or any other hurricane is a result of global warming. What I have heard them say is that the intensity and size of tropical cyclones will increase, not the overall number of storms. This is actually the simplest of sciences, something we all learned in junior high school: heat is a form of energy. So when you increase the amount of heat in a system, you increase the amount of energy along with it. That energy is bound to go somewhere. This is why there is no prediction of more storms, just larger and stronger storms.
You can look at satellite pictures of major hurricanes of the past, like Camille and Andrew, and compare them to pictures of Katrina and Irma and you'll see that the strongest storms are getting larger.
I heard a meteorologist say that future storms may be more likely to be monsters, but there may be fewer of them in total, because one larger and stronger storm can replace four smaller and weaker ones doing their job of moving heat around.
Quote from: english si on September 09, 2017, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2017, 04:30:14 AMJennifer Lawrence says its Mother Nature getting even with our nation for electing Donald Trump as POTUS.
Which is just as outlandish, bigoted and idiotic as those blaming it on Houston electing a Lesbian Mayor. The latter are rightly ostracised (and it will haunt them forever), however I doubt JLaw will get anything much beyond some laughter at her for a few days.
Some people are just insane.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2017, 04:30:14 AM
To each his own in beliefs, but IMO...
That's not how science works.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 09, 2017, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: english si on September 09, 2017, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2017, 04:30:14 AMJennifer Lawrence says its Mother Nature getting even with our nation for electing Donald Trump as POTUS.
Which is just as outlandish, bigoted and idiotic as those blaming it on Houston electing a Lesbian Mayor. The latter are rightly ostracised (and it will haunt them forever), however I doubt JLaw will get anything much beyond some laughter at her for a few days.
Some people are just insane.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man becomes king. But it's amazing to me how many folks willingly blind themselves.
Quote from: GaryV on September 09, 2017, 06:38:27 AM
I heard an idiot reporter on the radio asking an expert if the Mexican earthquake was the result of climate change.
There is no proven link between earthquakes and any human activity - except for the fact that that highest magnitudes catastrophic ones were weaker during the era of nuclear tests. It could be coincidence, but could be related.
And last NKorean test was strongest one in decades....
OK, now go ahead and blame any politician you want - North Korea is definitely a hot political topic.
Fracking has caused little rumbles.
Many old people do not want to evacuate their homes for Irma. Disney World has also closed. And, Joise is coming!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2017, 12:53:22 AM
Many old people do not want to evacuate their homes for Irma. Disney World has also closed. And, Joise is coming!
Jose is still a week away from really affecting anyone in the US. It'll be spinning about in the Atlantic much of this week.
Quote from: Rothman on September 09, 2017, 11:23:01 PM
Fracking has caused little rumbles.
Good point. I was thinking more about strong quakes, caused by plate activity, tectonic motion etc - and Oklahoma is not in that situation.
As for weaker ones... I remember we had a "quake" - low level signal - due to a planned explosion in a quarry few hundred miles away...
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2017, 12:53:22 AM
Many old people do not want to evacuate their homes for Irma. Disney World has also closed. And, Joise is coming!
Jose is still a week away from really affecting anyone in the US.
It already is. Effects from Jose are contributing to the severity of flooding in Jacksonville and points north.
I remember 2005. There was Katrina, and then I remember most of the later storms: Rita, Stan, (missed Tammy and that subtropical storm the NHC also missed), the weird hurricane Vince which went to make landfall in... Spain!, then Wilma and the end of the list, so they started using greek letters: α, β, γ, another weird storm "named" δ which hit the Canaries as it became extratropical, and hurricane ε which for some years I thought it was the last storm of the 2005 season until I started to track tropical cyclones and discovered there was yet another storm, ζ! Luckily the year ended with that storm still active, since the next one would have been η, and I wouldn't have liked to see a storm named ETA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETA_(separatist_group)) (This also explains why I ask to refrain from abbreviating both "Estimated Time of Arrival" and "Edited To Add"). 2006 turned out to be the anticlimax, but I remember Gordon.
However other basins have had crazy seasons on other years. 2013 was dull in the Atlantic, and also started slow in the Western Pacific, but from September through November it went really crazy, culminating with typhoon Haiyan and the late tropical storm that follows the big one, Podul (or "Beodeul" as I spell it, since it's a North Korean name and I apply my "One language, one translliteration" policy). The only downside is that Philippines didn't got to use it's auxiliary list (with more names, not Greek letters), they exhausted their main one (Haiyan was Yolanda, Beodeul was Zoraida, had they named another depression it would have been Alamid. Coincidentally they are using that same list this year, with Yasmin in place of Yolanda).
I was only 13 in 2005, but I'll always remember storms Epsilon and Zeta because of this XKCD comic (https://xkcd.com/1126/).
Among the celebrity birthdays I share are Hurricanes Katrina and Harvey (both making their first U.S. landfall on August 25th).
Quote from: empirestate on September 11, 2017, 07:00:22 PM
Among the celebrity birthdays I share are Hurricanes Katrina and Harvey (both making their first U.S. landfall on August 25th).
Wow, that's crazy.
Another weather-birthday coincidence is that my father's birthday is on April 3rd, and on that very day that he was celebrating his 5th birthday, was in the midst of the massive April 1974 tornado outbreak. My grandparents tell the story often that it was in the middle of the afternoon and my dad was opening his birthday presents and such, but the sky was as dark and eerie as night. Just a few miles away on the other side of Dalton, GA (where I live now, too) there was a tornado that completely leveled my great aunt's house (grandmother's sister) out in the country. There is actually video footage of that on home videos that I have been able to see. My dad and his family rode out all the storms after the birthday party in another great aunt's house close by that had a basement.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2017, 12:53:22 AM
Many old people do not want to evacuate their homes for Irma. Disney World has also closed. And, Joise is coming!
Jose is still a week away from really affecting anyone in the US.
It already is. Effects from Jose are contributing to the severity of flooding in Jacksonville and points north.
How? The storm is quite a bit aways, and outside of maybe some surf and rip current risk it shouldn't really be affecting the flooding in Jacksonville. Looks like Irma did much of the damage on top of the high tide influence. If anything, an increased flood threat from Jose surf would be concerning starting around Thursday or Friday when it gets closer to the coastline
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2017, 12:53:22 AM
Many old people do not want to evacuate their homes for Irma. Disney World has also closed. And, Joise is coming!
Jose is still a week away from really affecting anyone in the US.
It already is. Effects from Jose are contributing to the severity of flooding in Jacksonville and points north.
How? The storm is quite a bit aways, and outside of maybe some surf and rip current risk it shouldn't really be affecting the flooding in Jacksonville. Looks like Irma did much of the damage on top of the high tide influence. If anything, an increased flood threat from Jose surf would be concerning starting around Thursday or Friday when it gets closer to the coastline
Simply put, I gather its winds are pushing the Atlantic towards that part of the coast, hindering the St Johns River's attempt to drain into it.
Quote from: empirestate on September 12, 2017, 10:56:49 AM
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2017, 12:53:22 AM
Many old people do not want to evacuate their homes for Irma. Disney World has also closed. And, Joise is coming!
Jose is still a week away from really affecting anyone in the US.
It already is. Effects from Jose are contributing to the severity of flooding in Jacksonville and points north.
How? The storm is quite a bit aways, and outside of maybe some surf and rip current risk it shouldn't really be affecting the flooding in Jacksonville. Looks like Irma did much of the damage on top of the high tide influence. If anything, an increased flood threat from Jose surf would be concerning starting around Thursday or Friday when it gets closer to the coastline
Simply put, I gather its winds are pushing the Atlantic towards that part of the coast, hindering the St Johns River's attempt to drain into it.
That could be, high tide going against draining rainwater. It'll be interesting then towards the weekend when Jose is a little closer offshore to see the tidal effects
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2017, 12:53:22 AM
Many old people do not want to evacuate their homes for Irma. Disney World has also closed. And, Joise is coming!
Jose is still a week away from really affecting anyone in the US.
It already is. Effects from Jose are contributing to the severity of flooding in Jacksonville and points north.
How? The storm is quite a bit aways, and outside of maybe some surf and rip current risk it shouldn't really be affecting the flooding in Jacksonville. Looks like Irma did much of the damage on top of the high tide influence. If anything, an increased flood threat from Jose surf would be concerning starting around Thursday or Friday when it gets closer to the coastline
Simply put, I gather its winds are pushing the Atlantic towards that part of the coast, hindering the St Johns River's attempt to drain into it.
That could be, high tide going against draining rainwater. It'll be interesting then towards the weekend when Jose is a little closer offshore to see the tidal effects
Thwre was a stationary front over northern Florida before Irma. There was a lot of rain from that, coupled with the wind keeping St Johns River from draining into Atlantic.
St Johns River is tidal all the way to at least Palatka. Its a very slow moving to begin with.. Water sloshes around in the lower basin.
LGMS428
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2017, 12:53:22 AM
Many old people do not want to evacuate their homes for Irma. Disney World has also closed. And, Joise is coming!
Jose is still a week away from really affecting anyone in the US.
It already is. Effects from Jose are contributing to the severity of flooding in Jacksonville and points north.
How? The storm is quite a bit aways, and outside of maybe some surf and rip current risk it shouldn't really be affecting the flooding in Jacksonville. Looks like Irma did much of the damage on top of the high tide influence. If anything, an increased flood threat from Jose surf would be concerning starting around Thursday or Friday when it gets closer to the coastline
Simply put, I gather its winds are pushing the Atlantic towards that part of the coast, hindering the St Johns River's attempt to drain into it.
That could be, high tide going against draining rainwater. It'll be interesting then towards the weekend when Jose is a little closer offshore to see the tidal effects
Thwre was a statio ary front over northern florida before Irma. There was a lot of rain from that, coupled with the wind keeping St Johns River from draining into Atlantic.
St Johns River is tidal more all the way to at least Palatka. Its a very slow moving to begin with.. Water sloshes around in the lower basin.
Point being, it's not jut one thing (if it were, this would have been predicted with precision). But point also being, "effects from Jose are contributing..."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/hurricane-nate-makes-landfall-mouth-mississippi-river-southeastern/story?id=50339836
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/07/556334601/hurricane-nate-strengthens-as-its-eye-focuses-on-u-s-gulf-coast
Update hurricane Nate is at play here.
Nate is entering post-tropical status...the National Hurricane Center has stopped providing updates for the storm. What remains of the storm should be entering Canada late Monday night/Early Tuesday morning.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 08, 2017, 08:09:04 PM
Nate is entering post-tropical status...the National Hurricane Center has stopped providing updates for the storm. What remains of the storm should be entering Canada late Monday night/Early Tuesday morning.
Nate will make my area rain tomarow.