Unnecessarily-numbered roads

[hbelkins]

Most KY state highways with numbers > 2000

Since Kentucky uses only one signage system (although different internal classifications), unlike Virginia or West Virginia or North Carolina or Pennsylvania or South Carolina, how are you going to distinguish these state-maintained routes from others?



I'd nominate WV 55. It only has two sections that are not concurrent with other routes -- the portion between US 19 and WV 20 near Craigsville, and the very short segment that serves as a ramp from US 220/WV 28 to US 48 in Moorefield. Change the number of the westernmost portion to 141 or 411 (since it intersects WV 41) and leave the access road at Moorefield as an unnumbered ramp.

[ftballfan]

M-93! It's two different spurs in Grayling that share a number and are connected via concurrencies with M-72 and BL I-75.

M-152 and M-188 also come to mind as they're both spurs that serve very little.

M-43 has a useless concurrency with M-52 in Webberville just so M-43 could end at I-96 (This dates back to when M-52 ended at M-36 and M-47 used what is now M-52 to Webberville from Saginaw)

[silverback1065]

m 97

[Max Rockatansky]

Seems a little silly to have the CA 99 Business Loop signed on CA 204 or vice versa.

[Flint1979]

M-93! It's two different spurs in Grayling that share a number and are connected via concurrencies with M-72 and BL I-75.

M-152 and M-188 also come to mind as they're both spurs that serve very little.

M-43 has a useless concurrency with M-52 in Webberville just so M-43 could end at I-96 (This dates back to when M-52 ended at M-36 and M-47 used what is now M-52 to Webberville from Saginaw)

Some of those serve locations more than junctions with other roads like M-93 and M-188. I can't figure out what M-152's purpose really is though.

[index]

NC 400 seems unnecessary. It's an east-west route that's less than a mile long on Roanoke Island in Manteo. To my knowledge, it has no pavement markings, (although I could be wrong) and it's not even a minor arterial. Just a side street.

NC 136 is another. Again, just another side street, extremely short, and this one doesn't really service much, other than a few homes.

[Avalanchez71]

US 19W.  Here is the only portion not multiplexed with any other route number.

I'm surprised that's still around, since it's a suffixed US route. It probably served a purpose before I-26 was built.

US 19W was rendered obsolete when US 23 was moved from it to its pre-I-26 routing through Sams Gap about 1952.

US 19W is a difficult, winding, slow drive and should be downgraded to NC 36 and TN 36.

I usually disagree with this line of thinking but in this case US 19W does not really serve any town and there is little benefit to anyone with the exception of Johnson City TN to Cane River NC commuters.  SR 36 up the road should be US 23A.

[Avalanchez71]

The hidden roads in fl and ga.

They are hidden in TN and AL as well.

[Eth]

I usually disagree with this line of thinking but in this case US 19W does not really serve any town and there is little benefit to anyone with the exception of Johnson City TN to Cane River NC commuters.  SR 36 up the road should be US 23A.

(This post probably borders on fictional territory, but...)

Just for the heck of it, I plugged Johnson City to Cane River into Google Maps, and it didn't even recommend US 19W for that, instead sending me down I-26 to exit 3 and using Laurel Valley Rd/Windy Gap Rd to cut over to US 19. I don't know what quality that road is, but if it's decent enough, you could upgrade that to, say, NC 193 (maybe concurrent with US 23A over to I-26) and just eliminate US 19W outright with no replacement number.

[TheStranger]

Seems a little silly to have the CA 99 Business Loop signed on CA 204 or vice versa.

It's one of several examples in California I can think of of a business loop and a state route being signed together.  The one I'm most familiar with (besides 204) is Route 135 with Business US 101 in Santa Maria, interesting because the business route does go on a portion of former 101 not covered by 135, while 135 south of Santa Maria is also (generally) former US 101 but not part of the business route.

OTHERS:

Wasn't Route 273 in Redding once part of Business I-5?  Cahighways also mentions Route 263 in Yreka as being part of Business I-5
There are some unsigned state routes that are part of business route loops, i.e. Route 283

[kphoger]

I usually disagree with this line of thinking but in this case US 19W does not really serve any town and there is little benefit to anyone with the exception of Johnson City TN to Cane River NC commuters.  SR 36 up the road should be US 23A.

(This post probably borders on fictional territory, but...)

Just for the heck of it, I plugged Johnson City to Cane River into Google Maps, and it didn't even recommend US 19W for that, instead sending me down I-26 to exit 3 and using Laurel Valley Rd/Windy Gap Rd to cut over to US 19. I don't know what quality that road is, but if it's decent enough, you could upgrade that to, say, NC 193 (maybe concurrent with US 23A over to I-26) and just eliminate US 19W outright with no replacement number.

Avoiding Interstates is important, though, for vehicles which aren't allowed on Interstates.  Farm equipment, bicycles, etc.

[US 89]

I usually disagree with this line of thinking but in this case US 19W does not really serve any town and there is little benefit to anyone with the exception of Johnson City TN to Cane River NC commuters.  SR 36 up the road should be US 23A.

(This post probably borders on fictional territory, but...)

Just for the heck of it, I plugged Johnson City to Cane River into Google Maps, and it didn't even recommend US 19W for that, instead sending me down I-26 to exit 3 and using Laurel Valley Rd/Windy Gap Rd to cut over to US 19. I don't know what quality that road is, but if it's decent enough, you could upgrade that to, say, NC 193 (maybe concurrent with US 23A over to I-26) and just eliminate US 19W outright with no replacement number.

Avoiding Interstates is important, though, for vehicles which aren't allowed on Interstates.  Farm equipment, bicycles, etc.

I agree with you, but that logic didn't apply to everywhere in the West where interstates were built on top of US highways, which were then decommissioned.

[CNGL-Leudimin]

According to my very own definition...

Any designation that is either just a ramp, unsigned or concurrent with another route for its entire length is unnecessary for me.

... I-80 in Indiana is totally useless .

[silverback1065]

According to my very own definition...

Any designation that is either just a ramp, unsigned or concurrent with another route for its entire length is unnecessary for me.

... I-80 in Indiana is totally useless .

you're technically right, and all unsigned highways are useless, especially the ones that are cosigned with ones that are signed!

[Roadgeekteen]

According to my very own definition...

Any designation that is either just a ramp, unsigned or concurrent with another route for its entire length is unnecessary for me.

... I-80 in Indiana is totally useless .

Yes, just remove it. Awkward gap but under the aaroads rules of multiplexes it is useless.

[US 89]

According to my very own definition...

Any designation that is either just a ramp, unsigned or concurrent with another route for its entire length is unnecessary for me.

... I-80 in Indiana is totally useless .

you're technically right, and all unsigned highways are useless, especially the ones that are cosigned with ones that are signed!

What about the ones that are tangented? 

[jp the roadgeek]

According to my very own definition...

Any designation that is either just a ramp, unsigned or concurrent with another route for its entire length is unnecessary for me.

... I-80 in Indiana is totally useless .

you're technically right, and all unsigned highways are useless, especially the ones that are cosigned with ones that are signed!

What about the ones that are tangented? 

Like The Hypotenuse?

[kkt]

According to my very own definition...

Any designation that is either just a ramp, unsigned or concurrent with another route for its entire length is unnecessary for me.

... I-80 in Indiana is totally useless .

you're technically right, and all unsigned highways are useless, especially the ones that are cosigned with ones that are signed!

What about the ones that are tangented? 

[bugo]

Most of the new North Carolina interstates...42, 87, 140, 795, former 495.

[froggie]

I would like to say Vermont Route 119 at first. It's no more than 1/3 mile long. I think it only exists so that the much-longer New Hampshire Route 119 can make its connection with US Route 5 in Brattleboro, VT.

The road with the traffic lights is US Route 5. The old green bridge in the background carries VT/NH Route 119 into Hinsdale, NH.

I would keep VT 119. It's better for a route to continue at a state border with the same number than just ending at the border for no other reason than the border being there.

Yes, somebody has to be responsible for the bridge.

I know this is an old part of the thread but I wanted to respond.

As a general rule, New Hampshire is responsible for the bridges between NH and VT...and the reason for this is because New Hampshire effectively "owns" the river.  The state line is officially the mean low water mark on the Vermont side.

It's also worth noting that VT 119 does not officially exist.  It's likely signed that way for continuity with NH 119, and it's probably the town of Brattleboro that posted the signs, but it's not an actual state route...officially, the Vermont segment is a Class 2 Town Highway.

[Avalanchez71]

I usually disagree with this line of thinking but in this case US 19W does not really serve any town and there is little benefit to anyone with the exception of Johnson City TN to Cane River NC commuters.  SR 36 up the road should be US 23A.

(This post probably borders on fictional territory, but...)

Just for the heck of it, I plugged Johnson City to Cane River into Google Maps, and it didn't even recommend US 19W for that, instead sending me down I-26 to exit 3 and using Laurel Valley Rd/Windy Gap Rd to cut over to US 19. I don't know what quality that road is, but if it's decent enough, you could upgrade that to, say, NC 193 (maybe concurrent with US 23A over to I-26) and just eliminate US 19W outright with no replacement number.

Avoiding Interstates is important, though, for vehicles which aren't allowed on Interstates.  Farm equipment, bicycles, etc.

That is why the old US 23 should still be posted as such.  Tennessee does everywhere but here.

[kphoger]

aaroads rules of multiplexes ^{[citation needed]}

[Flint1979]

I've never really paid much attention to US 19 to be honest. The US 19W stretch looks pretty pointless to me and US 19E looks like a really long out of the way highway. US 11's E and W stretches look like it makes more sense to have that.

[Hurricane Rex]

I will likely post again after a research session (3rd priority after school and what I said I'd do over in Northwest):

OR 141: On city streets only and decently frequent turns.
OR 52 is less than 3 miles and heads into Idaho.
OR 8 west of Forest Grove.
OR 10.
OR 210