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[Crash_It]

^ Well obviously who cares about your experience? Obviously you're just lying or it's not important. All that matters is the good roads that do exist in some areas, which automatically makes the whole state good. Just ignore the bad ones.

This is his logic.

I wouldn't even go as far as to call his thought processes "logic" as they arbitrarily change based on what state we're talking about.

For example:
The Stadium Freeway (WIS-175) north of I-94 is quite smooth and moves well! Therefore, Wisconsin has fantastic roads! Just ignore the bad ones! (I don't have any examples of Wisconsin's bad roads off the top of my head because Wisconsin actually takes care of their roads.) Obviously, anybody who disagrees is lying with me, or their issue is not important!

I can name a few off the top of my head

WIS32 from state line to 91st then again from 75th to 60th St, then once again from 52nd St to Sheridan Rd then again after WIS 11 until it splits off in Racine. Gets bad again on the Northside of Caledonia

US12 through most of Walworth county
I894 through Milwaukee County
WIS81 west of Monroe

I could go on

Crash It, you may want to check up on your "sources" before making a statement on what is being done. According to the WisDOT site, https://projects.511wi.gov/12walworth/, US 12 in Walworth County is being resurfaced.

Well that's one, still plenty others that I've listed that aren't touched or scheduled to be touched.

Again, you are showing how lazy you are with not even looking. So let me give you actual sources. Here's the lists by region:
Southwest (inc Madison/Beloit/La Crosse/Portage/Tomah): https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/sw/default.aspx
Southeast (inc Milwaukee): https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/default.aspx
Northeast (inc Sheboygan/Green Bay/Oshkosh/Marinette): https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/ne/default.aspx
North Central (inc Wautoma/Wis Dells/Wausau/Rhinelander): https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/nc/default.aspx
Northwest (inc Eau Claire/Superior/Ashland/Black River Falls): https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/nw/default.aspx

Oh and 3 (along with the earlier US 12 I posted) of the 4 items you sited are here below:
I-894/43 Milwaukee Co - https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/894-43/default.aspx
Wis 32 Kenosha & Racine Co - https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/32alfordpark/default.aspx
Wis 32 Racine Co - https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/32caledonia/default.aspx

I think you need to quit before you really step into the shit, so deep that you'll be up to your neck in it.

I saw those SE WI projects on there already, it omits the other areas I mentioned and then it also says they're still a few years off and is only dependent on funding. So they don't even know if they can afford to do it when the time comes. There's also no mention of the pleasant prairie or south of downtown Kenosha sections as those sections are worse than the Alford Park section. I actually think that section is ok. I've mentioned that a few replies up already.

[hobsini2]

His credibility on this forum in general is shot to nothing.

There was a time when it wasn't?

I originally was going to say forum but I was being kind.

[hobsini2]

^ Well obviously who cares about your experience? Obviously you're just lying or it's not important. All that matters is the good roads that do exist in some areas, which automatically makes the whole state good. Just ignore the bad ones.

This is his logic.

I wouldn't even go as far as to call his thought processes "logic" as they arbitrarily change based on what state we're talking about.

For example:
The Stadium Freeway (WIS-175) north of I-94 is quite smooth and moves well! Therefore, Wisconsin has fantastic roads! Just ignore the bad ones! (I don't have any examples of Wisconsin's bad roads off the top of my head because Wisconsin actually takes care of their roads.) Obviously, anybody who disagrees is lying with me, or their issue is not important!

I can name a few off the top of my head

WIS32 from state line to 91st then again from 75th to 60th St, then once again from 52nd St to Sheridan Rd then again after WIS 11 until it splits off in Racine. Gets bad again on the Northside of Caledonia

US12 through most of Walworth county
I894 through Milwaukee County
WIS81 west of Monroe

I could go on

Crash It, you may want to check up on your "sources" before making a statement on what is being done. According to the WisDOT site, https://projects.511wi.gov/12walworth/, US 12 in Walworth County is being resurfaced.

Well that's one, still plenty others that I've listed that aren't touched or scheduled to be touched.

Again, you are showing how lazy you are with not even looking. So let me give you actual sources. Here's the lists by region:
Southwest (inc Madison/Beloit/La Crosse/Portage/Tomah): https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/sw/default.aspx
Southeast (inc Milwaukee): https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/default.aspx
Northeast (inc Sheboygan/Green Bay/Oshkosh/Marinette): https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/ne/default.aspx
North Central (inc Wautoma/Wis Dells/Wausau/Rhinelander): https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/nc/default.aspx
Northwest (inc Eau Claire/Superior/Ashland/Black River Falls): https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/nw/default.aspx

Oh and 3 (along with the earlier US 12 I posted) of the 4 items you sited are here below:
I-894/43 Milwaukee Co - https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/894-43/default.aspx
Wis 32 Kenosha & Racine Co - https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/32alfordpark/default.aspx
Wis 32 Racine Co - https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/32caledonia/default.aspx

I think you need to quit before you really step into the shit, so deep that you'll be up to your neck in it.

I saw those SE WI projects on there already, it omits the other areas I mentioned and then it also says they're still a few years off and is only dependent on funding. So they don't even know if they can afford to do it when the time comes. There's also no mention of the pleasant prairie or south of downtown Kenosha sections as those sections are worse than the Alford Park section. I actually think that section is ok. I've mentioned that a few replies up already.

OH...GOOD...GOD!
Just stop yourself. you sited 4 specific roadways that WisDOT has control over. I proved my responses with sources from a legitimate government website. Instead of saying, "I was mistaken" you continue to double down on your narrative without giving any sources but your experience. Don't make me pull up Google streetview on those sections you just now sited as being shit.

We can go back and forth on this. The FACT is that EVERY STATE has areas that need a lot of resurfacing. Illinois is far from being the best at it. Just admit that. That's all I ask.

[kphoger]

To be fair, they aren't actually scheduled to be touched, which is what he specifically said.

[hobsini2]

Google Streetview images:
A 2018 example of Wis 32 in the area you specifically cited. To say that this is in bad condition is greatly exaggerated.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5268176,-87.8248864,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX4mY8HJrnxIfs73wkYoujA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.534485,-87.8247894,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgKkz55ntZtsOUtaMVDnVZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.539685,-87.8246515,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFhKnDx1-lmeG2HkeMcXX2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

Now this does need attention. Wis 32 at 91st St
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.540053,-87.8246747,3a,75y,5.56h,86.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy918OiuZ1NWEQGTbyjaIzg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
But here's the rub on this. That is in the city limits of Kenosha. And that looks like it is specifically at the intersection. The surface is different away from there. Think maybe the city has something to do with this perhaps? I know at least in my suburb of Chicago, anytime work is being done on Rt 53, the village and the county are responsible for a good chunk of the cost for repairs or resurfacing. I am sure that Wisconsin has a simillar agreement with its counties and municipalities.

[hobsini2]

To be fair, they aren't actually scheduled to be touched, which is what he specifically said.

Actually, there are dates. Look towards the bottom of each page.
I-894/43 - 2023
US 12 - Late March 2022 — Fall 2023
Wis 32 - 2025

[sprjus4]

And he still cannot reply to previous arguments because he is flat out wrong and won't admit it 

[Max Rockatansky]

And he still cannot reply to previous arguments because he is flat out wrong and won't admit it 

This is Illinois, you either argue flat or you go home and film a bad driver video about nominal parking lot incursions at your apartment complex. 

[Crash_It]

Google Streetview images:
A 2018 example of Wis 32 in the area you specifically cited. To say that this is in bad condition is greatly exaggerated.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5268176,-87.8248864,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX4mY8HJrnxIfs73wkYoujA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.534485,-87.8247894,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgKkz55ntZtsOUtaMVDnVZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.539685,-87.8246515,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFhKnDx1-lmeG2HkeMcXX2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

Now this does need attention. Wis 32 at 91st St
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.540053,-87.8246747,3a,75y,5.56h,86.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy918OiuZ1NWEQGTbyjaIzg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
But here's the rub on this. That is in the city limits of Kenosha. And that looks like it is specifically at the intersection. The surface is different away from there. Think maybe the city has something to do with this perhaps? I know at least in my suburb of Chicago, anytime work is being done on Rt 53, the village and the county are responsible for a good chunk of the cost for repairs or resurfacing. I am sure that Wisconsin has a simillar agreement with its counties and municipalities.

That's 2018, this is 2023 alot can change between then and now in terms of pavement condition. I said that location at 91st was recently reconstructed and road dieted. I can provide dashcam footage of the bad sections if you want


Here's a GSV of one of the mentioned sections that looked bad even back then and is much worse now

7010 Sheridan Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/M8u2p8opt5JXfJJH9

But like I said, the dashcam footage will provide a more accurate depiction. I still have some because I just drove through the area again yesterday.

I'm not saying that Illinois is perfect, but they are most certainly better than all the surrounding states. I could cite an article backing this up too.   

[kphoger]

Results of a 2021 study by TRIP:

[Max Rockatansky]

^^^

Fake news, not a WalletHub citation.

[sprjus4]

Google Streetview images:
A 2018 example of Wis 32 in the area you specifically cited. To say that this is in bad condition is greatly exaggerated.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5268176,-87.8248864,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX4mY8HJrnxIfs73wkYoujA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.534485,-87.8247894,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgKkz55ntZtsOUtaMVDnVZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.539685,-87.8246515,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFhKnDx1-lmeG2HkeMcXX2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

Now this does need attention. Wis 32 at 91st St
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.540053,-87.8246747,3a,75y,5.56h,86.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy918OiuZ1NWEQGTbyjaIzg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
But here's the rub on this. That is in the city limits of Kenosha. And that looks like it is specifically at the intersection. The surface is different away from there. Think maybe the city has something to do with this perhaps? I know at least in my suburb of Chicago, anytime work is being done on Rt 53, the village and the county are responsible for a good chunk of the cost for repairs or resurfacing. I am sure that Wisconsin has a simillar agreement with its counties and municipalities.

That's 2018, this is 2023 alot can change between then and now in terms of pavement condition. I said that location at 91st was recently reconstructed and road dieted. I can provide dashcam footage of the bad sections if you want


Here's a GSV of one of the mentioned sections that looked bad even back then and is much worse now

7010 Sheridan Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/M8u2p8opt5JXfJJH9

But like I said, the dashcam footage will provide a more accurate depiction. I still have some because I just drove through the area again yesterday.

And yet you still won't go through the bad Illinois is examples 

Nothing here worth replying to.

I'm not saying that Illinois is perfect, but they are most certainly better than all the surrounding states. I could cite an article backing this up too.

Is it WalletHub? 

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm not saying that Illinois is perfect, but Illinois is perfect. I could cite an article backing this up too.

[hobsini2]

Google Streetview images:
A 2018 example of Wis 32 in the area you specifically cited. To say that this is in bad condition is greatly exaggerated.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5268176,-87.8248864,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX4mY8HJrnxIfs73wkYoujA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.534485,-87.8247894,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgKkz55ntZtsOUtaMVDnVZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.539685,-87.8246515,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFhKnDx1-lmeG2HkeMcXX2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

Now this does need attention. Wis 32 at 91st St
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.540053,-87.8246747,3a,75y,5.56h,86.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy918OiuZ1NWEQGTbyjaIzg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
But here's the rub on this. That is in the city limits of Kenosha. And that looks like it is specifically at the intersection. The surface is different away from there. Think maybe the city has something to do with this perhaps? I know at least in my suburb of Chicago, anytime work is being done on Rt 53, the village and the county are responsible for a good chunk of the cost for repairs or resurfacing. I am sure that Wisconsin has a simillar agreement with its counties and municipalities.

That's 2018, this is 2023 alot can change between then and now in terms of pavement condition. I said that location at 91st was recently reconstructed and road dieted. I can provide dashcam footage of the bad sections if you want


Here's a GSV of one of the mentioned sections that looked bad even back then and is much worse now

7010 Sheridan Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/M8u2p8opt5JXfJJH9

But like I said, the dashcam footage will provide a more accurate depiction. I still have some because I just drove through the area again yesterday.

I'm not saying that Illinois is perfect, but they are most certainly better than all the surrounding states. I could cite an article backing this up too.   

Crash, you take umbrage with a 2018 GSV shot but 2019 is what you just provided.   Slow Well done. And I see you did not respond to KP's chart. 

[ET21]

A Crash_It rant means one thing

[Max Rockatansky]

A Crash_It rant means one thing

A bad driving video featuring a trucker and their particular brand of "piss bottle?"

[hobsini2]

A Crash_It rant means one thing

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[hobsini2]

A Crash_It rant means one thing

A bad driving video featuring a trucker and their particular brand of "piss bottle?"

It's gotta be Tab

[kphoger]

Results of a 2021 study by TRIP:

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And I see you did not respond to KP's chart. 

You only gave him 38 minutes to reply, before calling him out?

[hobsini2]

Results of a 2021 study by TRIP:

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And I see you did not respond to KP's chart. 

You only gave him 38 minutes to reply, before calling him out?

And?

[kphoger]

Results of a 2021 study by TRIP:

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And I see you did not respond to KP's chart. 

You only gave him 38 minutes to reply, before calling him out?

And?

And...  He's probably scheduled to touch my chart in 2025.

[Max Rockatansky]

Results of a 2021 study by TRIP:

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And I see you did not respond to KP's chart. 

You only gave him 38 minutes to reply, before calling him out?

And?

And...  He's probably scheduled to touch my chart in 2025.

Give the man a break, he's trying to establish some sort of quasi-nationalism centered around Illinois.  I can't imagine fighting Wisconsin and truckers at every turn makes for a flat schedule to pencil you guys in for a reply. 

[JoePCool14]

I can't believe you all are still taking his bait. Stop responding to him, and he'll go away.

[Max Rockatansky]

I can't believe you all are still taking his bait. Stop responding to him, and he'll go away.

Ignoring the problem hasn't worked anyone on any of the highway media platforms, including here.  There was one sure fire way to make that happen, opportunity seems lost now.

[Crash_It]

Google Streetview images:
A 2018 example of Wis 32 in the area you specifically cited. To say that this is in bad condition is greatly exaggerated.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5268176,-87.8248864,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX4mY8HJrnxIfs73wkYoujA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.534485,-87.8247894,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgKkz55ntZtsOUtaMVDnVZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.539685,-87.8246515,3a,75y,353.54h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFhKnDx1-lmeG2HkeMcXX2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

Now this does need attention. Wis 32 at 91st St
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.540053,-87.8246747,3a,75y,5.56h,86.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy918OiuZ1NWEQGTbyjaIzg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
But here's the rub on this. That is in the city limits of Kenosha. And that looks like it is specifically at the intersection. The surface is different away from there. Think maybe the city has something to do with this perhaps? I know at least in my suburb of Chicago, anytime work is being done on Rt 53, the village and the county are responsible for a good chunk of the cost for repairs or resurfacing. I am sure that Wisconsin has a simillar agreement with its counties and municipalities.

That's 2018, this is 2023 alot can change between then and now in terms of pavement condition. I said that location at 91st was recently reconstructed and road dieted. I can provide dashcam footage of the bad sections if you want


Here's a GSV of one of the mentioned sections that looked bad even back then and is much worse now

7010 Sheridan Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/M8u2p8opt5JXfJJH9

But like I said, the dashcam footage will provide a more accurate depiction. I still have some because I just drove through the area again yesterday.

I'm not saying that Illinois is perfect, but they are most certainly better than all the surrounding states. I could cite an article backing this up too.   

Crash, you take umbrage with a 2018 GSV shot but 2019 is what you just provided.   Slow Well done. And I see you did not respond to KP's chart. 

Because the deterioration of the Pleasant Prairie section was apparent from 2020. The section in the 2019 GSV has been deteriorating since at least the aughts.  I saw the chart...it only takes interstates into account, I'm talking overall which means all roads maintained or overseen by the state. When I drove across WI to MN in August of 21 both I 90 and I 94 were in smooth or adequate condition. The arterials around the WI/MN line were not. 

There are sections of US51 in IL that are deteriorated too but not as bad or as long as the WIS32 sections I've mentioned.