Poor Sign Placement

[CentralCAroadgeek]

Title says it all. Basically, it would have to be a sign placed at a bad location, whether it is a tree, an overpass, or even another sign.

Here's one in Gilroy, along 101 south. This BGS would be rather hard to see because of that overpass directly in front of it. And, sorry for the crookedness of the picture.

[tdindy88]

I remember seeing a "blind child area" yellow sign with a utility pole right in front of it, making the sign itself pratically blind to you. They have fixed the problem however.

[kphoger]

Here is a location in Joppa, Illinois, where Google Maps estimates the distance between STOP sign and STOP line to be 82 feet.  The placement is due to a large gravel parking lot on the corner.  The first time I drove through the intersection, I stopped at the STOP sign, then wondered what the heck to do next.  So I drove forward to the STOP line and stopped again.

http://goo.gl/maps/gDhg

[Brian556]

Southbound SH 121 between Lewisville and Grapevine, Texas

[Scott5114]

Here is a location in Joppa, Illinois, where Google Maps estimates the distance between STOP sign and STOP line to be 82 feet.  The placement is due to a large gravel parking lot on the corner.  The first time I drove through the intersection, I stopped at the STOP sign, then wondered what the heck to do next.  So I drove forward to the STOP line and stopped again.

http://goo.gl/maps/gDhg

How I have observed this being normally resolved is by placing a small island at the corner so the stop sign can be at its expected location.

[blawp]

That road is actually called Grapevine Mills Parkway? Oh the Cronyism.

[txstateends]

That road is actually called Grapevine Mills Parkway? Oh the Cronyism.

Yes, it was changed to that when Grapevine Mills Mall was built.  Similar to "Bass Pro Drive" just to the south of that (which of course, passes by Bass Pro Shops), even though east of TX 121 it's still "Bethel Road".

[formulanone]

Those BGS' have been installed there for years, so I suppose the ever-increasing sizes of the intersections creates occasional bouts of dumb-assery such as this.

[Takumi]

Two US 1 shields are in this photo. The second one is newer and probably unnecessary.

[1995hoo]

Idiotic placement for that street sign. What good is it to people on the other street?

[roadman]

That road is actually called Grapevine Mills Parkway? Oh the Cronyism.

Yes, it was changed to that when Grapevine Mills Mall was built.  Similar to "Bass Pro Drive" just to the south of that (which of course, passes by Bass Pro Shops), even though east of TX 121 it's still "Bethel Road".

Which is how DOTs get around the long-standing AASHTO and FHWA prohibitions on supplemental guide signs for shopping centers on Interstates and freeways.  One of the early applications of this "loophole" in Massachusetts involved the then-new Independence Mall in Kingston.  The original "Community Exits" signs on MA 3 for Kingston, which were installed shortly after the mall opened, included "Independence Mall Way  3 1/2" (in 13.33/10) on one line.  As I recall (it's been awhile since I've gone down Route 3), the replacement signs put up as part of the Plymouth to Braintree MA 3 sign replacement were re-formatted so "Independence" and "Mall Way" were on two lines, and the distance was centered on the legend.

[agentsteel53]

the only thing worse than a "Walmart Ave." is a traffic light holding you up so that other traffic may exit the "Walmart Ave."

[deathtopumpkins]

That road is actually called Grapevine Mills Parkway? Oh the Cronyism.

Yes, it was changed to that when Grapevine Mills Mall was built.  Similar to "Bass Pro Drive" just to the south of that (which of course, passes by Bass Pro Shops), even though east of TX 121 it's still "Bethel Road".

Which is how DOTs get around the long-standing AASHTO and FHWA prohibitions on supplemental guide signs for shopping centers on Interstates and freeways.  One of the early applications of this "loophole" in Massachusetts involved the then-new Independence Mall in Kingston.  The original "Community Exits" signs on MA 3 for Kingston, which were installed shortly after the mall opened, included "Independence Mall Way  3 1/2" (in 13.33/10) on one line.  As I recall (it's been awhile since I've gone down Route 3), the replacement signs put up as part of the Plymouth to Braintree MA 3 sign replacement were re-formatted so "Independence" and "Mall Way" were on two lines, and the distance was centered on the legend.

I've never thought much of the reasoning behind it, but that totally makes sense! This is done all over Massachusetts to point people to malls without explicitly pointing them to the mall. The most local example I can think of is on 128 for North Shore Mall [Drive].

[us175]

That road is actually called Grapevine Mills Parkway? Oh the Cronyism.

Yes, it was changed to that when Grapevine Mills Mall was built.  Similar to "Bass Pro Drive" just to the south of that (which of course, passes by Bass Pro Shops), even though east of TX 121 it's still "Bethel Road".

Which is how DOTs get around the long-standing AASHTO and FHWA prohibitions on supplemental guide signs for shopping centers on Interstates and freeways.  One of the early applications of this "loophole" in Massachusetts involved the then-new Independence Mall in Kingston.  The original "Community Exits" signs on MA 3 for Kingston, which were installed shortly after the mall opened, included "Independence Mall Way  3 1/2" (in 13.33/10) on one line.  As I recall (it's been awhile since I've gone down Route 3), the replacement signs put up as part of the Plymouth to Braintree MA 3 sign replacement were re-formatted so "Independence" and "Mall Way" were on two lines, and the distance was centered on the legend.

I've never thought much of the reasoning behind it, but that totally makes sense! This is done all over Massachusetts to point people to malls without explicitly pointing them to the mall. The most local example I can think of is on 128 for North Shore Mall [Drive].

There are actually freeway signs around the DFW area that say
Such-and-such Mall
EXIT ___

that originally were white-on-green, but suddenly without notice, they changed to white-on-blue.  Here's one (http://goo.gl/maps/oSxkf) on I-635 WB before Preston Road (in the time just before the start of the redo of LBJ Freeway).

[Alps]

There are actually freeway signs around the DFW area that say
Such-and-such Mall
EXIT ___

that originally were white-on-green, but suddenly without notice, they changed to white-on-blue.  Here's one (http://goo.gl/maps/oSxkf) on I-635 WB before Preston Road (in the time just before the start of the redo of LBJ Freeway).

Yep, private businesses would fall under commercial/services as opposed to destination/guide.

[Scott5114]

There are actually freeway signs around the DFW area that say
Such-and-such Mall
EXIT ___

that originally were white-on-green, but suddenly without notice, they changed to white-on-blue.  Here's one (http://goo.gl/maps/oSxkf) on I-635 WB before Preston Road (in the time just before the start of the redo of LBJ Freeway).

Yep, private businesses would fall under commercial/services as opposed to destination/guide.

Casinos seem like a tricky thing to categorize. In various states, I have seen them fall under green and brown (and shown on the blue Food/Gas/Lodging logo signs, as well).

[Alps]

There are actually freeway signs around the DFW area that say
Such-and-such Mall
EXIT ___

that originally were white-on-green, but suddenly without notice, they changed to white-on-blue.  Here's one (http://goo.gl/maps/oSxkf) on I-635 WB before Preston Road (in the time just before the start of the redo of LBJ Freeway).

Yep, private businesses would fall under commercial/services as opposed to destination/guide.

Casinos seem like a tricky thing to categorize. In various states, I have seen them fall under green and brown (and shown on the blue Food/Gas/Lodging logo signs, as well).

Some agencies have tried harder than others to clarify. On the NJ Turnpike, they would go on a supplemental green sign, for example. On an NJDOT roadway, there's no set policy - Six Flags has been signed on brown, for example.

[NE2]

The Orlando-area theme parks are all on green. Universal has its own exit and Disney has several exits.

[thenetwork]

Title says it all. Basically, it would have to be a sign placed at a bad location, whether it is a tree, an overpass, or even another sign.

Here's one in Gilroy, along 101 south. This BGS would be rather hard to see because of that overpass directly in front of it. And, sorry for the crookedness of the picture.

I'd actually nominate that sign as a "worst of road signs" entry:

When I first glanced at the sign, I thought the sign was for either "152, East 10th St." or "152, 10th Street East". 
a vertical white dividing line  between 152 East and 10th St. would make the overhead more understandable as a 2-exit interchange.

[roadman]

Some agencies have tried harder than others to clarify. On the NJ Turnpike, they would go on a supplemental green sign, for example. On an NJDOT roadway, there's no set policy - Six Flags has been signed on brown, for example.

NJDOT did it right.  Even though it's a commercial business, Six Flags is still a recreational facility.  So, unless your state DOT's sign policy calls for providing only Attractions LOGO signs on Interstates and freeways (instead of text signs) for such facliities, the signing should be white on brown.

[The High Plains Traveler]

Title says it all. Basically, it would have to be a sign placed at a bad location, whether it is a tree, an overpass, or even another sign.

Here's one in Gilroy, along 101 south. This BGS would be rather hard to see because of that overpass directly in front of it. And, sorry for the crookedness of the picture.

I'd actually nominate that sign as a "worst of road signs" entry:

When I first glanced at the sign, I thought the sign was for either "152, East 10th St." or "152, 10th Street East". 
a vertical white dividing line  between 152 East and 10th St. would make the overhead more understandable as a 2-exit interchange.

Actually it's pretty accurate. It's a one-exit interchange, and the left exiting lane turns left at the bottom of the ramp onto East 152.

[PurdueBill]

This intersection in east Akron was redone into a standard T from a more channelized layout, in a strange order where the new signals were in place before the roadways were redone.  The new signal mast was put up by the city right in front of ODOT's existing cantilever for I-76.  When ODOT came around replacing the button copy with Clearview panels, they just went ahead and replaced without moving, so the new sign is still behind the mast like the old one was.  Clap clap.

[amroad17]

Saw this last Monday.  The EXIT 185 sign on WB I-64 in Cannonsburg, KY is about 150 ft down the offramp.  It is nearly even with the gore sign.  This happened after the interchange was reconstructed a few years ago. 

[Brian556]

the only thing worse than a "Walmart Ave." is a traffic light holding you up so that other traffic may exit the "Walmart Ave."

You may be joking about this, but such a sign was actually posted in Frisco, Texas. And TxDOT let it slip by; they typically do not allow this, especially considering that this is a parking lot entrance, and it should not be signed with a street sign.

[Central Avenue]

I love how they included block numbers as if the Wal-Mart parking lot entrance is a street.