Similarities between I-495 in Ma and I-287 in NY

[1995hoo]

NY city aria

Would that song that Ace Frehley covered and made famous, "New York Groove," be considered a NY city aria?

I think he just misspelled Arya, a badass character from A Song of Ice and Fire. 

I assumed he meant you're not out of New York City until the fat lady sings.

(I'm pleased someone remembered the correct name of George R.R. Martin's book series, though!)

[spooky]

Biggest similarity is probably the beach traffic.

In my experience, 495 actually doesn't get that much beach traffic. The traffic that I see on 495 is never beach traffic.

FWIW, that's not the best thread to use as a reference.

Anything by the OP of that thread should not be used as a reference.

[Alps]

Biggest similarity is probably the beach traffic.

In my experience, 495 actually doesn't get that much beach traffic. The traffic that I see on 495 is never beach traffic.

FWIW, that's not the best thread to use as a reference.

Anything by the OP of that thread should not be used as a reference.

THATS THE APO'STROPHE

[ElPanaChevere]

I-287 goes through a state that its parent doesn't even go through (New Jersey).
It's multiplexed with its parent for some distance.
It goes through mountainous terrain, if you consider it mountainous, through Northern NJ
Like someone said here previously, I-287 uses local cities for control points (Mahway, Boonton, Morristown, etc.). I-495 does what I-285 does in Atlanta, use the control city of the next interstate's control city (Worcester/Springfield, Mass. on I-90, for example).
I-287 only goes west of I-95 in NJ and NY, whereas I-495 actually continues east of I-95 and hooks up with I-195 in Wareham, Mass.
I-287 is roughly 99 miles long, whereas I-495 is 120 miles long.

I will say that they're both about the same distance away from the central city. 25-30 miles top from Boston/New York (I-495/I-287 respectively). For this reason, they're sorta represented as the outermost fringes of development thus far.

[roadman]

I-495 uses Worcester/Marlboro (signed alternately) as control cities not to direct traffic to I-90, but to direct traffic to I-290.  I-495 directly connects to I-90, but the destinations on the signs at that interchange are Albany NY and Boston.

[ElPanaChevere]

I-495 uses Worcester/Marlboro (signed alternately) as control cities not to direct traffic to I-90, but to direct traffic to I-290.  I-495 directly connects to I-90, but the destinations on the signs at that interchange are Albany NY and Boston.

I stand corrected, that's even better. I like how beltways, like I-495 and I-285 use control cities of the next freeway that it junctions with instead of cities that it personally visits. If it were me, I'd have both like "I-495 (inner loop/north) Lowell/Concord, NH, when it's just south of I-93. You satisfy the people who use the road locally and for all of those truckers/long distance travelers who just use I-495 as a mere bypass.

[bzakharin]

I will say that they're both about the same distance away from the central city. 25-30 miles top from Boston/New York (I-495/I-287 respectively). For this reason, they're sorta represented as the outermost fringes of development thus far.

At 287's eastern terminus, it is actually quite close to NYC (especially Staten Island) and there is plenty of development to the southwest of it, New Brunswick, which extends over 10 miles out from it and doesn't even touch it being the main example (there is development even further southwest, but that's arguably Philadelphia's metro vs NYC).

[ElPanaChevere]

But how far is Staten Island from Manhattan, which is considered the central city? Like 8-10 miles roughly, correct?

[SSOWorld]

But how far is Staten Island from Manhattan, which is considered the central city? Like 8-10 miles roughly, correct?

The closer you get to NYC - the more they break up the city into its boroughs.  This is true on the other side, particularly within NYC where NYCDOT takes over.

[roadman65]

I-495 uses Worcester/Marlboro (signed alternately) as control cities not to direct traffic to I-90, but to direct traffic to I-290.  I-495 directly connects to I-90, but the destinations on the signs at that interchange are Albany NY and Boston.

I stand corrected, that's even better. I like how beltways, like I-495 and I-285 use control cities of the next freeway that it junctions with instead of cities that it personally visits. If it were me, I'd have both like "I-495 (inner loop/north) Lowell/Concord, NH, when it's just south of I-93. You satisfy the people who use the road locally and for all of those truckers/long distance travelers who just use I-495 as a mere bypass.

I-287 does not use the next interstate cities as its NJ control points are Perth Amboy, Morristown, and Mahwah.  From I-78 it uses Somerville only because that is the only US 22 city that I-78 has no direct access to.

I-481 in New York State uses DeWitt instead of Watertown or Binghamton which are I-81's (the route it bypasses)control cities on both sides of Syracuse.

Only in the south and maybe some western places do they use other interstate's control points, but generally the north-east uses places along the way.

[machias]

I-495 uses Worcester/Marlboro (signed alternately) as control cities not to direct traffic to I-90, but to direct traffic to I-290.  I-495 directly connects to I-90, but the destinations on the signs at that interchange are Albany NY and Boston.

I stand corrected, that's even better. I like how beltways, like I-495 and I-285 use control cities of the next freeway that it junctions with instead of cities that it personally visits. If it were me, I'd have both like "I-495 (inner loop/north) Lowell/Concord, NH, when it's just south of I-93. You satisfy the people who use the road locally and for all of those truckers/long distance travelers who just use I-495 as a mere bypass.

I-287 does not use the next interstate cities as its NJ control points are Perth Amboy, Morristown, and Mahwah.  From I-78 it uses Somerville only because that is the only US 22 city that I-78 has no direct access to.

I-481 in New York State uses DeWitt instead of Watertown or Binghamton which are I-81's (the route it bypasses)control cities on both sides of Syracuse.

Only in the south and maybe some western places do they use other interstate's control points, but generally the north-east uses places along the way.

I-481 uses Binghamton and Oswego/Watertown (or I-90 Thruway) once you're actually on I-481 and not at the interchanges with I-81.  The pull throughs on 481 SB at Exit 3 used to say Cortland but they were changed to Binghamton when the same change was made on I-81 in Downtown Syracuse about 20 years ago.  I agree that the bypass aspects of 481 could be signed much better than it is.  I always liked the bypass around Richmond, Va. signs along I-95.

[roadman65]

There is a sign herehttps://farm9.staticflickr.com/8199/8154090898_a6c380c392_z.jpg that shows it is a bypass for I-81, but using Watertown instead of DeWitt on the main guides would be better.