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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #650 on: September 17, 2021, 05:26:04 PM »

If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).
I-255 and IL 255
IL 255 can't be part of I-255 because it is a spur and those have to start with an odd number.
Its pretty clear by now that the 1st Digit Even/Odd Rules for 3DIs are more like Guidelines than Rules - plenty of examples of Even and Odd 3DIs that should seemingly be the opposite value
IL 3d's roads don't have same "rules" like 3di's.




Well, there's IL 394, which should've been I-394 by now, but nothing has ever come of that.

There's a very simple and valid reason for that, actually, which is because from Sauk Trail until its Southern end, it actually has cross streets and stoplights. Only the portion North of there through the Southland Interchange is fully freeway. I'm sure if they were to upgrade the South part of it, it could be considered for Interstate designation. With that, one does wonder if they may ever convert IL 390 to an Interstate designation when it is connected to I-490 (though, it does connect to the Interstate network now via I-290, and precedent exists to designate it, even without a parent connection, see NYC and any I-x78).
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #651 on: September 17, 2021, 05:34:36 PM »

If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).
I-255 and IL 255
IL 255 can't be part of I-255 because it is a spur and those have to start with an odd number.
Its pretty clear by now that the 1st Digit Even/Odd Rules for 3DIs are more like Guidelines than Rules - plenty of examples of Even and Odd 3DIs that should seemingly be the opposite value
IL 3d's roads don't have same "rules" like 3di's.




Well, there's IL 394, which should've been I-394 by now, but nothing has ever come of that.

There's a very simple and valid reason for that, actually, which is because from Sauk Trail until its Southern end, it actually has cross streets and stoplights. Only the portion North of there through the Southland Interchange is fully freeway. I'm sure if they were to upgrade the South part of it, it could be considered for Interstate designation. With that, one does wonder if they may ever convert IL 390 to an Interstate designation when it is connected to I-490 (though, it does connect to the Interstate network now via I-290, and precedent exists to designate it, even without a parent connection, see NYC and any I-x78).

Another reason I would suggest is that the control city for 394 is Danville, and if you slap an interstate designation on 394, people might get the misconception that the road is freeway all the way to Danville, and be a bit upset when they get dumped out onto a 2-lane rural highway just north of Beecher.
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #652 on: September 17, 2021, 05:52:33 PM »

With 255 it's a hybrid a spur and belt. It ends on an NHS route with lots of 4 lane segments.
I agree on 394. Illinois 1 17 and I57 is only 2 miles longer but fewer towns and usually a better ride to the Dan Ryan a certainly now better to the tri state .


Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #653 on: September 17, 2021, 07:45:41 PM »

Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
The IL 56 Freeway to Sugar Grove that used to be the Mainline East-West Tollway…yeah it would be a short spur, but lets give it an x88 - I say I-588

Then IL 56 can be decommissioned beyond North Aurora, and just end as it crosses the Fox River and reaches IL 31
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #654 on: September 17, 2021, 11:28:45 PM »

Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
The IL 56 Freeway to Sugar Grove that used to be the Mainline East-West Tollway…yeah it would be a short spur, but lets give it an x88 - I say I-588\

Then IL 56 can be decommissioned beyond North Aurora, and just end as it crosses the Fox River and reaches IL 31

I agree on this one, but probably nothing will happen until IDOT decides what the I-80 to Peotone route will look like. They will want to connect it to the planned IL-47 north-south upgrades.

Has anyone driven through that IL47-IL56 interchange lately? Bumpy, lots of patches and the bridge beams are rusted as heck. That thing needs help.

As for the EOH, I want the tollway to get it finished all the way to IL-59, and get IDOT to finish it west of IL-59 when the Elgin Bypass comes due for its reconstruction/safety upgrades.
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #655 on: September 18, 2021, 06:26:58 PM »

With 255 it's a hybrid a spur and belt. It ends on an NHS route with lots of 4 lane segments.
I agree on 394. Illinois 1 17 and I57 is only 2 miles longer but fewer towns and usually a better ride to the Dan Ryan a certainly now better to the tri state .



Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
US 20 bypass around Rockford, west of 39, could be I-139.  I don't US 20 being upgraded further west in my lifetime.
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #656 on: September 18, 2021, 11:53:21 PM »

As for the EOH, I want the tollway to get it finished all the way to IL-59, and get IDOT to finish it west of IL-59 when the Elgin Bypass comes due for its reconstruction/safety upgrades.

Speaking of which, what is the status on this? Didn’t IDOT have a study out to redo this section a few years ago?
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #657 on: September 19, 2021, 02:46:42 PM »

Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
The IL 56 Freeway to Sugar Grove that used to be the Mainline East-West Tollway…yeah it would be a short spur, but lets give it an x88 - I say I-588

Then IL 56 can be decommissioned beyond North Aurora, and just end as it crosses the Fox River and reaches IL 31

The IL 56 Expy is not up to interstate standards (gravel shoulders) and has 1 side road (Golfview) that comes off it.  It will not be an x88 until that is taken care of.
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #658 on: September 19, 2021, 02:54:53 PM »

I drove on IL-56 highway and it would be a waste of $ to "upgrade" it. Fine as is. There is an entrance to a high end sub-division, and I see them being "NIMBY".
Only if there is need to extend limited access onto US-30, but then it is too close to I-88.
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #659 on: September 20, 2021, 09:12:44 AM »

It also likely won't be upgraded anytime soon now that it's primary usage is shifted to I-88/IL-47 unless you specifically need to get to Sugar Grove or the airport. Everyone that needs to go north to Elburn just uses 88 now with the new exit.
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IL: I-88, I-180, I-190, I-290, I-294, I-355, IL-390
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #660 on: September 20, 2021, 09:59:41 AM »

With IL-390, on the west end, I predict it will just get finished to County Farm Rd, or US-20. 2nd prediction is it will sit as is till end of time. Too many rich NIMBY's there.
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Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #661 on: October 07, 2021, 12:08:54 PM »

With 255 it's a hybrid a spur and belt. It ends on an NHS route with lots of 4 lane segments.
I agree on 394. Illinois 1 17 and I57 is only 2 miles longer but fewer towns and usually a better ride to the Dan Ryan a certainly now better to the tri state .



Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
US 20 bypass around Rockford, west of 39, could be I-139.  I don't US 20 being upgraded further west in my lifetime.
With perhaps maybe the possibility of a Galena bypass.
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