For those unfamiliar, blue laws, are mostly regulations held over from Prohibition. Dry counties, no liquor sales on Sunday, etc.
Before Covid last year my wife and I stayed with friends in Mississippi. As a thanks for letting us stay I wanted to find a nice bottle of wine for them. Culture shock, having lived in both California and now Oregon, you can't buy wine in grocery stores! :-o
Bergan County, NJ is one of the more strict areas where nearly everything is closed on Sundays, including places like malls.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 03, 2021, 01:21:02 PM
For those unfamiliar, blue laws, are mostly regulations held over from Prohibition. Dry counties, no liquor sales on Sunday, etc.
Before Covid last year my wife and I stayed with friends in Mississippi. As a thanks for letting us stay I wanted to find a nice bottle of wine for them. Culture shock, having lived in both California and now Oregon, you can't buy wine in grocery stores! :-o
Heh...I live in an area where you generally won't find any alcohol in grocery stores - beer, wine or liquor! It's permitted, but the laws are so restrictive it rarely happens. Oddly though, when it is permitted, it's often more permissive than many other states, such as in your example.
That said, I've discovered this: Quite often, beer sales in grocery stores are limited to the largest brands. Their "Craft Brewery" section is Sam Adams and Blue Moon. Whereas in my local liquor stores, the craft brewery section is 1 or 2 aisles, filled with various beers from all over the state and beyond. The local wine section is the same.
NJ doesn't have dry counties, but rather dry municipalities. Again, an oddity in state law allows craft breweries and wineries to open in dry towns, which then allows guests to taste, drink, and purchase the beers and wines. What often happens is that the peole in these towns realize the sky does not fall when people can purchase alcohol in their town, and eventually they vote to allow full alcohol sales in restaurants and retail outlets.
The term "Blue Laws" is more commonly applied to those laws that prohibit actions on Sunday. Buying alcohol on Sunday is one example. They do not refer to total lack of sales (dry counties, prohibition) or regulation on where various forms of alcohol can be sold.
Granted, some alcohol regulation is rooted in religious practice. So are Blue Laws. But they are different things.
Presumably similar to NJ, you cannot buy wine or hard liquor in grocery stores in NY, only beer, which most grocery stores do have.
For a long time in Indiana, grocery stores and drug stores with liquor licenses had been trying to get rid of blue laws so they could sell on Sunday. Liquor stores opposed it, not on moral grounds, but because Sunday sales would require them to be open another day per week and grocery/drug stores would not incur additional operating costs since they were already open on Sunday.
The eventual compromise was that Sunday sales were allowed, but only Noon-8pm, so liquor stores would only have to operate one shift.
Bars and restaurants have been allowed to serve on Sunday for as long as I can remember.
I'm not aware of any counties or municipalities that are more restrictive than the state.
I remember in the summer of 1997 when I worked in Montgomery, Alabama, I was stunned that I could not buy beer on Sunday at the grocery store. No idea whether that's still the law.
Virginia is an "ABC state" for liquor–grocery stores (and 7-11 type stores) can sell beer and wine, but you must go to a state store for liquor. The ABC stores used to be closed on Sundays, but that changed some years ago, at least in certain parts of the state. The one nearest to my house is open on Sunday afternoon, though for shorter hours than is the case on other days of the week.
I don't know whether this is a state law, but I have not yet found a place (service station, car dealer, etc.) that will do the Virginia state safety inspection or emissions inspection on Sunday.
In Massachusetts, retail workers used to get time and a half on Sundays. It's currently in the process of being phased out year by year as part of the bill that is increasing the minimum wage to $15 per hour.
In terms of alcohol sales, Pennsylvania's beer sales laws always confused me. I was surprised that you couldn't buy beer at Walmart. And I know that the laws have changed somewhat, and Sheetz lobbied heavily for those changes.
As far as "closed on Sundays" laws went, for much of my youth, retail outlets were closed on Sunday in Lexington-Fayette County. However, the stores were very much open in neighboring Clark (Winchester) and Madison (Richmond) counties. If you went to a shopping center or a place like Kmart in one of those two communities, the parking lot was full of cars with Fayette County license plates.
Sunday alcohol sales are on a county-by-county basis here. There's been a bit of a controversy in my area in bordering Powell and Wolfe counties (Natural Bridge State Resort Park and the Red River Gorge National Geological Area). One of the counties allows Sunday by-the-drink sales in restaurants; one does not. Restaurants in the no-Sunday-sale county say they are being eaten alive by the competition in the neighboring county. Personally, the availability of alcohol has never mattered to me in deciding where to eat.
I don't think Texas is very strict on blue laws, meaning the general term. I personally think blue laws and dry/wet counties are two different things. Texas has a number of dry counties, and most operate the same. No booze sales at all in the county. Dallas County is dry, but you can buy a "membership" to a "club" and drink at any bar. I think Taylor County is the same way.
All retail blue laws in Texas are pretty much gone. It is still very true with car sales, but the exception is the Texas law says you have to be closed one day on the weekend. Which day that is, is up to you. Most dealerships close Sunday anyway, but you will find a few open on Sunday to get all the business (hopefully) that can't shop at the other dealerships.
Booze sales cannot happen from midnight (the time that comes a minute after 11:59 PM Saturday night) to noon Sunday, unless you are a continuously open bar (being a bar that closes at 2:00 AM Sunday morning). If you are at a Walmart or HEB after the stroke of midnight, the workers put a yellow chain over the beer/wine isle. That being said only beer/wine are sold at grocery stores and they have a dedicated isle where nothing else can be sold on it. Any restaurant/bar that opens Sunday morning cannot serve alcohol before noon, unless it is ordered with food, because that makes sense.
Does Utah still have the "Zion Curtain" ? It was a partition with frosted glass typically because the law was something to the effect of a patron wasn't to SEE the drink being poured?? Strange!
Pennsylvania's liquor control laws–at least regarding the retail sale of packaged beer and wine–have liberalized significantly over the past couple of decades.
When I was a child, wine and liquor was sold exclusively through state-run stores, and beer had to be purchased by the case from warehouse-like beer distributors. Until the early 2000s, sales were prohibited on Sundays. Additionally, small quantities of beer were available for take-out from certain licensed retailers, generally a neighborhood deli or restaurant that also sold food for take-out. It was not uncommon to see beer sales mentioned in the establishment's name–like "Bob's Hoagies and Six-Pack" .
In 2008, the state began allowing grocery stores to sell beer in six and twelve packs. Basically, it was an expansion of the previous restaurant loophole: Beer sales had to be part of a "restaurant operation" that was kept separate from the rest of the store. Stores like Wegmans, with its expansive Market Café, were already primed to start selling beer under the new regulatory regime, but even lesser stores quickly cobbled together a restaurant by adding dining tables next to their existing deli/ready-to-eat sections. Following a brief, unsuccessful experiment with state-run wine vending machines inside private grocery stores, the state began allowing grocery store wine sales in 2016 under similar terms as beer. A growing number of convenience stores have begun selling beer and wine using the same "restaurant" loophole as grocery stores.
Since the pandemic struck, some alcohol regulations have been loosened further. Dine-in foodservice has been unavailable at various points (depending on the social distancing restrictions in place at the time), but grocery store wine and beer sales have continued unabated. Restaurants have been permitted to sell mixed liquor drinks–cups as well as pitchers–as take-out. Services are even offering beer and wine delivery direct to the home.
Quote from: briantroutman on February 03, 2021, 06:48:50 PM
Pennsylvania's liquor control laws–at least regarding the retail sale of packaged beer and wine–have liberalized significantly over the past couple of decades.
When I was a child, wine and liquor was sold exclusively through state-run stores, and beer had to be purchased by the case from warehouse-like beer distributors. Until the early 2000s, sales were prohibited on Sundays. Additionally, small quantities of beer were available for take-out from certain licensed retailers, generally a neighborhood deli or restaurant that also sold food for take-out. It was not uncommon to see beer sales mentioned in the establishment's name–like "Bob's Hoagies and Six-Pack" .
In 2008, the state began allowing grocery stores to sell beer in six and twelve packs. Basically, it was an expansion of the previous restaurant loophole: Beer sales had to be part of a "restaurant operation" that was kept separate from the rest of the store. Stores like Wegmans, with its expansive Market Café, were already primed to start selling beer under the new regulatory regime, but even lesser stores quickly cobbled together a restaurant by adding dining tables next to their existing deli/ready-to-eat sections. Following a brief, unsuccessful experiment with state-run wine vending machines inside private grocery stores, the state began allowing grocery store wine sales in 2016 under similar terms as beer. A growing number of convenience stores have begun selling beer and wine using the same "restaurant" loophole as grocery stores.
Since the pandemic struck, some alcohol regulations have been loosened further. Dine-in foodservice has been unavailable at various points (depending on the social distancing restrictions in place at the time), but grocery store wine and beer sales have continued unabated. Restaurants have been permitted to sell mixed liquor drinks–cups as well as pitchers–as take-out. Services are even offering beer and wine delivery direct to the home.
Oregon has gotten a bit looser with the pandemic as well. Currently, you're able to get cocktails to-go....though I'm positive this will be temporary, especially as DUI cases likely rise.
Come to Puritanicut. Up until 2012, no statewide liquor sales on Sundays except in bars. Up until about 15 years ago, no alcohol sales were allowed in stores after 8pm, including beer in supermarkets or convenience stores. It then became 9:00; now it's 10:00, and 6:00 on Sundays. Of course, no wine in supermarkets, and you can't sell food in a liquor store. Plus, there's the archaic minimum pricing law, whic prohibits a retailer from selling more than one product in its inventory below wholesale cost. Since the pandemic hit, restaurants have been allowed to sell beer to go with meals, which is a baby step forward, but still, most will make the drive to MA, NY, or NH to stock up because CT charges higher prices and sales tax on liquor while other states do not.
Arizona used to have one which banned alcohol sales before 10 AM on Sunday's. I think it got shot down around 2010 because it interfered with people buying their stock for NFL games.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 03, 2021, 06:16:29 PM
Does Utah still have the "Zion Curtain" ? It was a partition with frosted glass typically because the law was something to the effect of a patron wasn't to SEE the drink being poured?? Strange!
A change a few years ago allowed restaurants to drop their Zion Curtain, but only if you have a "buffer zone" for a certain distance from the bar area where minors under 21 aren't allowed to sit.
Otherwise it's still required. It is dumb.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 03, 2021, 02:47:06 PM
I don't know whether this is a state law, but I have not yet found a place (service station, car dealer, etc.) that will do the Virginia state safety inspection or emissions inspection on Sunday.
State inspectors are only required Monday through Friday. Optional on weekends, and the shop I work at doesn't have its state inspectors work on Sunday, so no state inspections. Saturdays are also optional, but we usually have an inspector working every Saturday.
NJ alcohol laws can be oddly strict or lenient. Liquor sales are only permitted from 9am to 10pm. Beer/wine sales can be 24 hours a day. Most liquor stores close at 10pm, but one near me is open till 11, where one can buy just beer or wine for that final hour. Older restaurant & bar licenses allow for retail takeout, which is convenient to pick up extra beer at 1am should you desire.
Each municipality can set their own rules regarding hours of sales at restaurants and bars. The most common time is 2am, but 3am or later can be found. Atlantic City is 24 hours. A few other towns are as well but very few places take advantage of such allowances.
Within the rules are that while sales can't be below cost, bartenders are allowed to provide a drink "on the house" as long as it's not excessive. This was alluded to during the Covid restrictions, where no free drinks can be offered.
And like many other states, NJ is currently allowing restaurant and bar takeout alcohol sales including cocktails during Covid.
WA is definitely not strict. Beer and wine and is sold everywhere without restrictions, at all times of day. I found a great red blend at a Chevron in Pacific last week.
As for liquor, the only rule is that, in built-up areas, it can only be sold in larger stores. Rural areas seem to allow sales at smaller stores. I remember seeing liquor on sale at a Shell station about 25 minutes west of Aberdeen back in July. There's no large grocery stores around there, hence the exception.
Like other states, alcohol-to-go is being permitted. If it proves safe, I don't see why it wouldn't last.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 03, 2021, 07:20:20 PM
Arizona used to have one which banned alcohol sales before 10 AM on Sunday's. I think it got shot down around 2010 because it interfered with people buying their stock for NFL games.
That was the main reason, although most of us just stocked up on Saturday.
Massachusetts and Indiana used to prohibit any alcohol sales on Sunday. Indiana changed their laws to allow bars/restaurants that served food to sell alcohol on Sundays once the Colts moved to Indy in 1983.
Massachusetts took a few more years, despite the Patriots having been in the state since 1960. I'm not sure what their laws are now (my last trip there was in 1989, and it wasn't on a Sunday), but I'm sure they got tired of New Hampshire and Connecticut drawing revenue from their residents.
Quote from: US 89 on February 03, 2021, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 03, 2021, 06:16:29 PM
Does Utah still have the "Zion Curtain" ? It was a partition with frosted glass typically because the law was something to the effect of a patron wasn't to SEE the drink being poured?? Strange!
A change a few years ago allowed restaurants to drop their Zion Curtain, but only if you have a "buffer zone" for a certain distance from the bar area where minors under 21 aren't allowed to sit.
Otherwise it's still required. It is dumb.
Used to be that alcohol could not be imported into Utah from other states as well.
Quote from: Rothman on February 04, 2021, 12:20:05 AM
Quote from: US 89 on February 03, 2021, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 03, 2021, 06:16:29 PM
Does Utah still have the "Zion Curtain" ? It was a partition with frosted glass typically because the law was something to the effect of a patron wasn't to SEE the drink being poured?? Strange!
A change a few years ago allowed restaurants to drop their Zion Curtain, but only if you have a "buffer zone" for a certain distance from the bar area where minors under 21 aren't allowed to sit.
Otherwise it's still required. It is dumb.
Used to be that alcohol could not be imported into Utah from other states as well.
That is still the case, but not really enforced...cops are generally more worried about weed these days, especially now that Nevada and Colorado have both legalized.
Quote from: US 89 on February 04, 2021, 12:21:40 AM
cops are generally more worried about weed these days
Haven't heard that line in awhile!
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Quote from: 1995hoo on February 03, 2021, 02:47:06 PM
I don't know whether this is a state law, but I have not yet found a place (service station, car dealer, etc.) that will do the Virginia state safety inspection or emissions inspection on Sunday.
State inspectors are only required Monday through Friday. Optional on weekends, and the shop I work at doesn't have its state inspectors work on Sunday, so no state inspections. Saturdays are also optional, but we usually have an inspector working every Saturday.
Thanks. I don't think I've ever seen a place that doesn't do inspections on Saturday, although usually there will be only one person doing the inspections, so when he breaks for lunch, the inspections shut down for a while.
As to actual blue laws, which are about forced closing on Sundays, WV used to be by county, but the last county of significance, Mercer, abandoned its blue law in the early 90s. Most counties gave up in the 60s when the owner of a then prosperous store chain, Heck's, won a case by the owner swearing he was a member of some religion he found in an encyclopedia and celebrated Tuesday as the sabbath, Tuesday being retail's slowest day.
As to liquor, this is still in the WV Constitution
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6-46. Manufacture and sale of liquor.
The Legislature shall by appropriate legislation regulate the manufacture and sale of intoxicating liquors within the limits of this state, and any law authorizing the sale of such liquors shall forbid and penalize the consumption and the sale thereof for consumption in a saloon or other public place.
Do what? Well there is a work around. In WV anyplace that sells liquor by the drink is a "private club". Membership is $1 and you get $1 off your first drink. Back in the day, they really had a membership book you had to sign and gave out cards, I knew some traveling men who had large collections of membership cards, but they quit worrying about it back in the 80s.
The story goes that in the 50s constitutional amendments to repeal the ban on public drinking passed by large margins in northern influenced, and heavily Catholic, northern WV; but failed by equally large margins in southern WV, which is and was moreso then southern in culture, and heavily evangelical, southern WV. Marshall U, then Marshall College, is in southern WV and had been accredited as a university for decades, but renaming it had been blocked by WVU, which is located on the Pennsylvania line. So they reached a deal in 1961, Marshall was renamed Marshall U, and the ho-ha about fake "private clubs" were passed at the same time.
In December 2001, my dad and I took a trip to the village of Batopilas, in the Copper Canyon region of southern Chihuahua. Unbeknownst to us before hand, that county (municipio) was a dry county–except for the New Year's celebration. And we were there on New Year's Eve. People came from all around to drink it up that night.
The New Year's Eve festivities centered around the town square, where there was a dance. My dad and I were staying in a small hotel operated by an ex-Mafia gentleman and his wife. His two kids were in town from Chihuahua City for the holidays, and we got a ride in the back of their pickup truck down to the party that night. (It was kind of surreal, earlier, to have seen an ex-Mafia reading aloud from Tolstoy to his family in the evening, in a small village down in the canyons of the Sierra Madre.) We noticed from our spot on a park bench that the dance was guarded by armed officers. When we asked why, our hotel owners told it was to make sure nobody was dancing without having purchased a ticket. :-o The women were in their best dresses, and not a man was to be seen without a proper sombrero, boots, and big belt buckle. Norteño music pumped from the sound system in the pavilion, and children sold sweet treats for small change.
By midnight, a good many attendees had become sufficiently inebriated. Then, at the stroke of 12:00, the music was turned off, and the church bell rang at the parish nearby. Everybody stopped what they were doing and filed into the church. It was a full house, of course, with the whole town and all the visitors in attendance, and probably a third of them were milling half-drunk around behind the seats. The music for mass was provided by two saxophones tuned an excruciating half-step apart (good enough!) and a guitar. After mass, we all went back to the square, the music started up again, and the festivities resumed.
That night, there was a drunken brawl in the hallway of our hotel. At least that's what my dad told me. Even though the walls and floor were all made of concrete, and our room's thin metal door had about a ten-inch gap at the bottom, I didn't even wake up to the sound. Then, at 5am before dawn, we headed out to catch the thrice-weekly chicken bus back up north to Creel, and from there to Juárez.
My favorite weird liquor laws:
In a Kansas liquor store, prior to 2019, you could ONLY buy liquor, beer, or wine. Things like sweet & sour, margarita mix, etc. that don't have any alcohol had to be sold in a separate space with a separate entrance and cash register.
Pre-2006, all liquor poured in South Carolina had to be poured from "airplane minis".
In Oklahoma (and I think a few other states too), you cannot purchase cold beer in a liquor store.
Chris
Quote from: SP Cook on February 04, 2021, 12:09:48 PM
As to actual blue laws, which are about forced closing on Sundays, WV used to be by county, but the last county of significance, Mercer, abandoned its blue law in the early 90s. Most counties gave up in the 60s when the owner of a then prosperous store chain, Heck's, won a case by the owner swearing he was a member of some religion he found in an encyclopedia and celebrated Tuesday as the sabbath, Tuesday being retail's slowest day.
Heck's had a presence in Lexington. I wonder if they played a part in the abolition of Fayette County's Sunday closure ordinance?
I'd say Mercer County retail was getting its clock cleaned by Bluefield, Va. Even now, most of the retail is on the Virginia side of the state line.
As for cocktails to go, I will admit not understanding the reasoning behind that. Alcohol purchased by the drink individually is significantly more expensive than booze purchased in larger quantities. For the price of one beer at a bar, you can get a six-pack at retail. The bar scene, to me, is more about socializing than getting sloshed. Why not buy your own bottle of spirits and make your own mixed drinks at home, instead of paying inflated bar or lounge prices to go?
Kentucky has wet and dry counties, with local option elections being the determining factor, but it's not illegal to possess alcohol in those areas unless you have sufficient quantities to sell without a license (a/k/a bootlegging.) Personal possession and consumption is permitted. But Adam Froehlig (froggie) once said that in Mississippi, where he was stationed during his Naval career, that it's illegal there to even possess alcohol for personal use in dry counties.
Occasionally a list of those weird and oddly-specific laws will circulate online. "In Alanland, it's illegal to eat an ice cream cone while walking down the street on a Wednesday," or some such absurdities.
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 04, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
My favorite weird liquor laws:
In a Kansas liquor store, you can ONLY buy liquor, beer, or wine. Things like sweet & sour, margarita mix, etc. that don't have any alcohol have to be sold in a separate space with a separate entrance and cash register.
Huh? The liquor store I go to here in Wichita sells beer, wine, liquor,
and tonic water all in the same place, and everything gets rung up together.
Quote from: kphoger on February 04, 2021, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 04, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
My favorite weird liquor laws:
In a Kansas liquor store, you can ONLY buy liquor, beer, or wine. Things like sweet & sour, margarita mix, etc. that don't have any alcohol have to be sold in a separate space with a separate entrance and cash register.
Huh? The liquor store I go to here in Wichita sells beer, wine, liquor, and tonic water all in the same place, and everything gets rung up together.
It was the case at least when I lived there 5 years ago. They called them "Party Stores". Could be Johnson County specific? There's a reason Zing Zang Bloody Mary Mix has 1% alcohol in it so that they can sell it in the same place as the vodka.
Edit: Looks like it finally changed in 2019. (https://shawneemissionpost.com/2019/04/08/kansas-liquor-laws-changed-april-1-heres-how-several-shawnee-mission-area-cities-updated-local-ordinances-as-a-result-78208/)
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 04, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
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In Oklahoma (and I think a few other states too), you cannot purchase cold beer in a liquor store.
I can't say I've ever seen any beer (whether cold or warm) sold in a Virginia ABC store. In general, they sell only liquor and mixers, though I believe on rare occasions I've seen Virginia wine in a few ABC stores.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 04, 2021, 02:22:57 PM
"In Alanland, it's illegal to eat an ice cream cone while walking down the street on a Wednesday," or some such absurdities.
No, in Alanland, it's mandatory to eat an ice cream cone while walking down the street on a Wednesday. In Alanland, it's illegal to eat an ice cream sundae while walking down the street on a Sunday.
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 04, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
In a Kansas liquor store, prior to 2019, you could ONLY buy liquor, beer, or wine.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 04, 2021, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 04, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
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In Oklahoma (and I think a few other states too), you cannot purchase cold beer in a liquor store.
I can't say I've ever seen any beer (whether cold or warm) sold in a Virginia ABC store. In general, they sell only liquor and mixers, though I believe on rare occasions I've seen Virginia wine in a few ABC stores.
Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board stores do sell a relatively small selection of drinking paraphernalia: corkscrews, mixers, margarita salt, bottle-sized gift bags, etc. But the products which can be sold at the state stores must be fairly tightly defined by law, because the 2016 legislation that allowed grocery stores to sell wine also had language granting PLCB stores the right to sell Pennsylvania Lottery tickets.
Since just before the holiday season, I noticed that our neighborhood PLCB store has been selling a number of boxed gift sets–such as a bottle of liquor with a pair of glasses bearing the distiller's insignia. If a jurisdiction did have a "Liquor stores may sell alcohol alone and NOTHING else" law, I suppose such gift sets would be unsaleable.
In the states where liquor or wine is sold at state-controlled stores, I don't recall ever seeing beer in the product mix.
Quote from: briantroutman on February 04, 2021, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 04, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
In a Kansas liquor store, prior to 2019, you could ONLY buy liquor, beer, or wine.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 04, 2021, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 04, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
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In Oklahoma (and I think a few other states too), you cannot purchase cold beer in a liquor store.
I can't say I've ever seen any beer (whether cold or warm) sold in a Virginia ABC store. In general, they sell only liquor and mixers, though I believe on rare occasions I've seen Virginia wine in a few ABC stores.
Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board stores do sell a relatively small selection of drinking paraphernalia: corkscrews, mixers, margarita salt, bottle-sized gift bags, etc. But the products which can be sold at the state stores must be fairly tightly defined by law, because the 2016 legislation that allowed grocery stores to sell wine also had language granting PLCB stores the right to sell Pennsylvania Lottery tickets.
Since just before the holiday season, I noticed that our neighborhood PLCB store has been selling a number of boxed gift sets–such as a bottle of liquor with a pair of glasses bearing the distiller's insignia. If a jurisdiction did have a "Liquor stores may sell alcohol alone and NOTHING else" law, I suppose such gift sets would be unsaleable.
In the states where liquor or wine is sold at state-controlled stores, I don't recall ever seeing beer in the product mix.
In Oregon, liquor is sold in state run stores, though there's starting to be an increasing number also selling wine and beer.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 04, 2021, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 04, 2021, 02:22:57 PM
"In Alanland, it's illegal to eat an ice cream cone while walking down the street on a Wednesday," or some such absurdities.
No, in Alanland, it's mandatory to eat an ice cream cone while walking down the street on a Wednesday. In Alanland, it's illegal to eat an ice cream sundae while walking down the street on a Sunday.
Yep! It was codified in the so-called "Wednesdae Bans" of 2002
1 (https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1946/jul/10/ice-cream-milk), which took place in 2001 except for a brief period during 1985. One quirk of the law as stated is the ambiguity created for days falling on both Wednesday
and Sunday, which occurs once every sixth½ week according to the alancalendar
2 (https://www.alanjackson.com/tour) except where permitted by statute. Such was deftly rectified during the next session, when ambiguity itself was prohibited
in toto3 (https://oz.fandom.com/wiki/Toto), punishable by an unspecified reward or punishment.
Quote from: kphoger on February 04, 2021, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 04, 2021, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 04, 2021, 02:22:57 PM
"In Alanland, it's illegal to eat an ice cream cone while walking down the street on a Wednesday," or some such absurdities.
No, in Alanland, it's mandatory to eat an ice cream cone while walking down the street on a Wednesday. In Alanland, it's illegal to eat an ice cream sundae while walking down the street on a Sunday.
Yep! It was codified in the so-called "Wednesdae Bans" of 20021 (https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1946/jul/10/ice-cream-milk), which took place in 2001 except for a brief period during 1985. One quirk of the law as stated is the ambiguity created for days falling on both Wednesday and Sunday, which occurs once every sixth½ week according to the alancalendar2 (https://www.alanjackson.com/tour) except where permitted by statute. Such was deftly rectified during the next session, when ambiguity itself was prohibited in toto3 (https://oz.fandom.com/wiki/Toto), punishable by an unspecified reward or punishment.
You guys sure know how to kill a thread!
Quote from: renegade on February 05, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 04, 2021, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 04, 2021, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 04, 2021, 02:22:57 PM
"In Alanland, it's illegal to eat an ice cream cone while walking down the street on a Wednesday," or some such absurdities.
No, in Alanland, it's mandatory to eat an ice cream cone while walking down the street on a Wednesday. In Alanland, it's illegal to eat an ice cream sundae while walking down the street on a Sunday.
Yep! It was codified in the so-called "Wednesdae Bans" of 20021 (https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1946/jul/10/ice-cream-milk), which took place in 2001 except for a brief period during 1985. One quirk of the law as stated is the ambiguity created for days falling on both Wednesday and Sunday, which occurs once every sixth½ week according to the alancalendar2 (https://www.alanjackson.com/tour) except where permitted by statute. Such was deftly rectified during the next session, when ambiguity itself was prohibited in toto3 (https://oz.fandom.com/wiki/Toto), punishable by an unspecified reward or punishment.
You guys sure know how to kill a thread!
Killed, and revived!
Kentucky licenses commercial establishments to sell alcohol (no state ABC stores; I remember seeing "Red Dot" stores all over South Carolina when my family went on vacation there in 1979) and the liquor stores sell beer and wine, although separate licenses are required for each. Pretty much any entity can sell beer. My county went wet a couple of years ago and a grocery store, the Dollar General, and a couple of convenience stores sell beer. A neighboring county went wet and a few "beer only" stores popped up. I think wine is sold under the same license as beer.
In Michigan, off-premise sales go from 7am to 2am 7 days a week. In my small town, most (if not all) gas stations sell beer and at least two sell wine and liquor. Until fairly recently, Sunday sales didn't start until noon.
Quote from: ftballfan on February 06, 2021, 12:12:16 PM
In Michigan, off-premise sales go from 7am to 2am 7 days a week. In my small town, most (if not all) gas stations sell beer and at least two sell wine and liquor. Until fairly recently, Sunday sales didn't start until noon.
And Christmas started at noon too.
I forgot another fun one. My wife and I were flying back from my parents through Dallas and we wanted to get a Bloody Mary on our layover. It was on a Sunday, so they couldn't serve alcohol before a certain time of the day (noon?) without also ordering food. We weren't hungry as we had already had breakfast, but conveniently, the bar sold $1 bags of chips that everyone at the bar bought but half didn't even bother eating.
Chris
Arkansas has tossed most of their Blue Laws, except selling alcohol on Sunday.
Oregon MIGHT be loosening their restrictions. Last night I saw Fireball for sale at Winco. It was a 12 pack of mini bottles but first time I've seen hard alcohol being sold in a grocery store here.
South Carolina is still very strict about the alcohol. Liquor stores have to close at 7pm, and can't open at all on Sunday.
Only 13 counties of 46 allow Sunday alcohol sales. Other cities have ordinances allowing alcohol to be sold on Sundays, but there are many counties in rural SC where they put rope over the beer and wine aisles in grocery and convenience stores.
Florence County, SC just allowed Sunday alcohol sales in restaurants in 2018. You still can't buy beer in a grocery store on Sunday.
Even in Charleston, IIRC, I remember going to a couple grocery stores in the late 90s and alcohol sales weren't allowed until a certain time on Sunday, if at all.
IMO Utah wins hands down. Aren't they still 3.2?
Oklahoma just "modernized" their laws. They did away with 3.2, sales from 6a-2a, cold beer and wine can be sold anywhere now that sales alcohol, and wine is allowed in grocery stores. They allow to go sales too which I hope stays. You can get it delivered but for some reason Postmates doesn't offer that.
I do wish they would follow Nevada and allow any alcohol to be sold anywhere and 24 hours a day. I think Louisiana does that as well. I'm guessing those are the two most liberal states. I thought California was going to experiment with sales until 4am and eventually 24 hours if it went smoothly but I haven't heard anything else from that.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on February 08, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
IMO Utah wins hands down. Aren't they still 3.2?
Nope. That was finally raised to 4% by weight (5% ABV) after the 2019 legislative session.
Quote from: US 89 on February 08, 2021, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on February 08, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
IMO Utah wins hands down. Aren't they still 3.2?
Nope. That was finally raised to 4% by weight (5% ABV) after the 2019 legislative session.
Okay I haven't really paid attention. I usually go to Moab every other month and haven't bothered to look but really have been perplexed at the state own liquor store thing. So I guess there are no further states with 3.2?
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on February 08, 2021, 11:45:08 PM
Quote from: US 89 on February 08, 2021, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on February 08, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
IMO Utah wins hands down. Aren't they still 3.2?
Nope. That was finally raised to 4% by weight (5% ABV) after the 2019 legislative session.
Okay I haven't really paid attention. I usually go to Moab every other month and haven't bothered to look but really have been perplexed at the state own liquor store thing. So I guess there are no further states with 3.2?
Does Minnesota still do 3.2 sales in grocery and convenience stores?
Quote from: FightingIrish on February 09, 2021, 11:41:26 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on February 08, 2021, 11:45:08 PM
Quote from: US 89 on February 08, 2021, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on February 08, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
IMO Utah wins hands down. Aren't they still 3.2?
Nope. That was finally raised to 4% by weight (5% ABV) after the 2019 legislative session.
Okay I haven't really paid attention. I usually go to Moab every other month and haven't bothered to look but really have been perplexed at the state own liquor store thing. So I guess there are no further states with 3.2?
Does Minnesota still do 3.2 sales in grocery and convenience stores?
Looks like they are the last one remaining. Kansas was 2nd to last.
Chris
What are the numbers above? (3.2, 4, etc)
Quote from: jakeroot on February 09, 2021, 06:52:37 PM
What are the numbers above? (3.2, 4, etc)
Alcohol by volume.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 09, 2021, 07:12:44 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 09, 2021, 06:52:37 PM
What are the numbers above? (3.2, 4, etc)
Alcohol by volume.
Oh sorry, poorly worded question. But thank you for the response.
I meant to add *as it relates to laws*.
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 04, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
In a Kansas liquor store, prior to 2019, you could ONLY buy liquor, beer, or wine. Things like sweet & sour, margarita mix, etc. that don't have any alcohol had to be sold in a separate space with a separate entrance and cash register.
In Wyoming, they sell liquor in grocery stores, but only in a completely enclosed space with their own cash registers. In South Dakota we don't have any of that nonsense.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 09, 2021, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 09, 2021, 07:12:44 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 09, 2021, 06:52:37 PM
What are the numbers above? (3.2, 4, etc)
Alcohol by volume.
Oh sorry, poorly worded question. But thank you for the response.
I meant to add *as it relates to laws*.
In Minnesota, and other states prior, you can buy full strength beer at liquor stores, but only 3.2% at grocery stores or convenience stores. Obviously that limits the craft beer selections available.
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 09, 2021, 11:05:47 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 09, 2021, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 09, 2021, 07:12:44 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 09, 2021, 06:52:37 PM
What are the numbers above? (3.2, 4, etc)
Alcohol by volume.
Oh sorry, poorly worded question. But thank you for the response.
I meant to add *as it relates to laws*.
In Minnesota, and other states prior, you can buy full strength beer at liquor stores, but only 3.2% at grocery stores or convenience stores. Obviously that limits the craft beer selections available.
Chris
Oh, I see. That's kind of strange. Seems kind of confusing if you're just looking to buy *beer* but you're not really concerned with alcohol content.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on February 08, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
I do wish they would follow Nevada and allow any alcohol to be sold anywhere and 24 hours a day.
Nevada does have two (very small) dry towns though: Panaca and Alamo, both along US 93 in Lincoln County north of Las Vegas.
Quote from: Lincoln County Code
4-1-9: LOCATION OF LIQUOR ESTABLISHMENTS:
D. Town Of Alamo: It is unlawful for any licensee under the provisions of this chapter, to sell alcoholic beverages in the town limits of the town of Alamo; provided however, this restriction shall not apply to licensees or places of business selling alcoholic liquors in an approved location prior to November 25, 1985, or to licensees engaged in the business of selling alcoholic liquors in an approved location which would become a prohibited location by reason of the expansion of the town limits of Alamo.
E. Town Of Panaca: It is unlawful for any licensee under the provisions of this chapter, to sell alcoholic beverages in the town limits of the town of Panaca, or within one-half (1/2) mile of the town limits of the town of Panaca; provided however, this restriction shall not apply to licensees or places of business selling alcoholic liquors in an approved location prior to December 12, 1986, or to licensees engaged in the business of selling alcoholic liquors in an approved location which would become a prohibited location by reason of the expansion of the town limits of Panaca. (Ord. 2008-04, 12-15-2008, eff. 7-1-2009)
More famously, Boulder City was dry for several decades' worth of fatal drunk driving collisions along the Boulder Highway between there and Las Vegas. The sale of alcohol was legalized in Boulder City in 1969.
Once MN stood alone in the 3.2% department it sent off a mild embarrassment panic with some state legislators. We were also late to the game on Sunday alcohol sales (though 3.2 you could get at grocery/convenience stores was always allowed to be sold on Sundays with modified hours).
Despite our reputation as a solid blue stronghold, you'd be surprised how deep the social conservatism runs outside the metro in both parties. There's really no appetite for legalized pot in either party; for fuck's sake South Dakota was going to have us beat except for the efforts of Noem and a couple embarrassed high level SD officials to get the legalized pot vote overturned in court.
So my main takeaway from this thread so far is if you want to force change in alcohol laws get the NFL involved.
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 10, 2021, 12:06:17 PM
So my main takeaway from this thread so far is if you want to force change in alcohol laws get the NFL involved.
Or host the Olympics. The 2002 winter games had Utah relax their stringent liquor laws a bit.
Looks like Wyoming is eligible to sell Samuel Adams Utopias, which is notable for being a 25.4% alcohol by volume beer.
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/09/20/sam-adams-releases-25-4-alcohol-beer-illegal-in-15-states-but-legal-in-wyoming/
QuoteThe lack of regulation on the amount of alcohol in beer sold in Wyoming means that the new Samuel Adams "Utopias" beer is legal in the Cowboy state.
Not so in 15 other states where the 25.4% alcohol level is too high for it to be sold.
Last week, Samuel Adams' announced the latest incarnation of its "Utopias" beer will be released on Oct. 11. The special brews are released every two years and this batch, the brewery said, is made with thousands of pounds of cherries and the highly-coveted "Balaton" fruit – which is another type of cherry – and foodies love it.
The reason it's making news, however, is due to its alcohol content. At 25.4%, it's six times what the average beer holds. ...
The states which don't allow the beer include: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont and West Virginia.
Quote from: andy3175 on October 17, 2021, 11:44:25 PM
Looks like Wyoming is eligible to sell Samuel Adams Utopias, which is notable for being a 25.4% alcohol by volume beer.
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/09/20/sam-adams-releases-25-4-alcohol-beer-illegal-in-15-states-but-legal-in-wyoming/
QuoteThe lack of regulation on the amount of alcohol in beer sold in Wyoming means that the new Samuel Adams "Utopias" beer is legal in the Cowboy state.
Not so in 15 other states where the 25.4% alcohol level is too high for it to be sold.
Last week, Samuel Adams' announced the latest incarnation of its "Utopias" beer will be released on Oct. 11. The special brews are released every two years and this batch, the brewery said, is made with thousands of pounds of cherries and the highly-coveted "Balaton" fruit – which is another type of cherry – and foodies love it.
The reason it's making news, however, is due to its alcohol content. At 25.4%, it's six times what the average beer holds. ...
The states which don't allow the beer include: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont and West Virginia.
I half think Sam Adam's does this as free publicity, since they sell it every few years and the same stories are repeated every few years...with "Sam Adams" being a very relevant part of that story.
Arkansas used to be very strict, but Walmart started nibbling the edges, so to speak. Instead of closing on Sunday, they started roping off aisles in their stores (this was before the Supercenters appeared).
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 04, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
My favorite weird liquor laws:
In a Kansas liquor store, prior to 2019, you could ONLY buy liquor, beer, or wine. Things like sweet & sour, margarita mix, etc. that don't have any alcohol had to be sold in a separate space with a separate entrance and cash register.
Banks still won't allow pot sales on credit and debit cards, so one marijuana store near me has a part that just sells pot, and a separate entrance in the building to a store that sells paraphernalia, and presumably accepts plastic.
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on October 24, 2021, 02:53:44 PM
Banks still won't allow pot sales on credit and debit cards, so one marijuana store near me has a part that just sells pot, and a separate entrance in the building to a store that sells paraphernalia, and presumably accepts plastic.
This is because marijuana is still illegal at the federal level. Banks don't want to get tangled up in any legal messes that could ensue.
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on October 24, 2021, 02:53:44 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 04, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
My favorite weird liquor laws:
In a Kansas liquor store, prior to 2019, you could ONLY buy liquor, beer, or wine. Things like sweet & sour, margarita mix, etc. that don't have any alcohol had to be sold in a separate space with a separate entrance and cash register.
Banks still won't allow pot sales on credit and debit cards, so one marijuana store near me has a part that just sells pot, and a separate entrance in the building to a store that sells paraphernalia, and presumably accepts plastic.
One dispensary here will accept debit cards, but they can only run the charge in five-dollar increments, so if you're buying, say, $20.01 worth of cannabis, then they'll debit your debit card for $25 and give you $4.99 in cash.
Another uses this third-party platform called CanPay, where you provide a QR code that they can scan and then the money is directly debited from your bank account.
I don't know how either one helps get around federal banking laws, but they're a hell of a lot more convenient than carrying around cash.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 24, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on October 24, 2021, 02:53:44 PM
Banks still won't allow pot sales on credit and debit cards, so one marijuana store near me has a part that just sells pot, and a separate entrance in the building to a store that sells paraphernalia, and presumably accepts plastic.
This is because marijuana is still illegal at the federal level. Banks don't want to get tangled up in any legal messes that could ensue.
Yes and no...I've found out there are some state-chartered banks in Oklahoma that will open accounts for cannabis businesses. If the bank says "federal" or "national" in the name, though, that's a no-go.
I'd think if the weed business is cash-only, that'd be a bit dangerous for the employee designated to take the day's proceeds to the bank after closing every evening. The less cash a business has to handle through the use of plastic or electronic payment systems, the less risk involved.
Any reason these businesses couldn't use Apple Pay, Google Pay, or one of those services if they have trouble finding credit card processors?
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
I'd think if the weed business is cash-only, that'd be a bit dangerous for the employee designated to take the day's proceeds to the bank after closing every evening. The less cash a business has to handle through the use of plastic or electronic payment systems, the less risk involved.
Every dispensary I've been to in IL has had security systems that rival those in casinos.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 09:48:09 AMAny reason these businesses couldn't use Apple Pay, Google Pay, or one of those services if they have trouble finding credit card processors?
Those would still be interstate transactions.
There's also the fact that banks don't want to do business with cash-intensive businesses, since that requires mountains of paperwork to ensure both parties are compliant with anti-money laundering regulations. Of course, the only reason they are cash-intensive is because that's their only option...
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 25, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
I'd think if the weed business is cash-only, that'd be a bit dangerous for the employee designated to take the day's proceeds to the bank after closing every evening. The less cash a business has to handle through the use of plastic or electronic payment systems, the less risk involved.
Every dispensary I've been to in IL has had security systems that rival those in casinos.
But those security systems wouldn't stop someone from clubbing the courier over the head when they're getting in their vehicle to drive to the bank, or doing something to force them to stop while on the road, or waylaying them when they get to the bank to do the night deposit.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 25, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
I'd think if the weed business is cash-only, that'd be a bit dangerous for the employee designated to take the day's proceeds to the bank after closing every evening. The less cash a business has to handle through the use of plastic or electronic payment systems, the less risk involved.
Every dispensary I've been to in IL has had security systems that rival those in casinos.
But those security systems wouldn't stop someone from clubbing the courier over the head when they're getting in their vehicle to drive to the bank, or doing something to force them to stop while on the road, or waylaying them when they get to the bank to do the night deposit.
I am sure moving large amounts of cash is nothing new. Once in a while I can see armored vehicles which serve businesses, including servicing ATMs. There should be standard precautions, including a second person watching from the safety of armored cabin, having handguns ready, and what not. Much safer than using employees to handle everything, and probably comes with insurance.
Those services may be pricey, but after all that is just a cost of doing business.
Coming from someone living in an area with a high number of recreational dispensaries: robberies are very much a real threat, and they are far more prone to robberies than the average "less than $100 in register" type of business.
That said, robberies overall seem quite rare. They are often very busy, so pulling off a midday robbery would be really hard without people stepping in to stop the robbery. I can't imagine they'd lock up after a day with tons of cash on-site either.
Maybe they have a dozen different CITs throughout the day that never have enough cash to justify going full-armed robbery.
I'm not sure how those businesses work, but in many cases in other businesses, employees take the day's cash proceeds to the bank after the business closes for the day. They don't want to keep it on the premises overnight.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 09:24:54 PM
I'm not sure how those businesses work, but in many cases in other businesses, employees take the day's cash proceeds to the bank after the business closes for the day. They don't want to keep it on the premises overnight.
(a) When I said "security systems" yesterday, I meant that to include the use of security guards. Even the "mom and pop" dispensary a few blocks away has at least 2-3 visible security guards, and probably more that are out of sight.
(b) In all likelihood, the cash is deposited nightly in a bank. Businesses that are cash-intensive also have the option of arranging for Brink's or another service to pick up the cash, and some banks offer a service where the cash is considered to be "deposited" as soon as it's handed over to the service.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 25, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
I'd think if the weed business is cash-only, that'd be a bit dangerous for the employee designated to take the day's proceeds to the bank after closing every evening. The less cash a business has to handle through the use of plastic or electronic payment systems, the less risk involved.
Every dispensary I've been to in IL has had security systems that rival those in casinos.
But those security systems wouldn't stop someone from clubbing the courier over the head when they're getting in their vehicle to drive to the bank, or doing something to force them to stop while on the road, or waylaying them when they get to the bank to do the night deposit.
Now imagine how much fun a transporter (the person who delivers the product from the grow to the dispensary, and returns the cash from the dispensary to the grow) gets to have.
Here in California, the dispensaries are limited to "cash only" sales. My "to go" dispensary has an ATM on premises. Being a "Boomer Luddite," I go to my bank's ATM to withdraw cash, in order to avoid extra usage charges for using the ATM, in addition to the charges by my banking institution, prior to hitting the dispensary.
Back to the "Blue Laws." In May 2000, I took a three day road trip that involved an overnight stay in Salt Lake City. After eleven hours of driving, I settled into a hotel near the Salt Lake City airport for the evening. I was parched, and needed some beer to cool off and relax for the evening. So, I walked across the street to the Phillips 66 for a six pack of Leinenkugel Beer, a rarity in California, but apparently available in the Beehive State. I took the six pack into my room, and filled the bathroom sink with ice. Then, I put the bottles in the sink and let them get good and cold.
Then, I ordered room service for dinner. I had a beer while I was waiting for my dinner to be delivered. I had two more with my dinner. I had one more after dinner, and realized I wasn't experiencing that perfect "Four Beer Buzz." I looked at the label of my Leinenkugel and realized the beer was 3.2. So, I drank the remaining two beers quickly, and finally obtained that perfect "Four Beer Buzz." Then, I went to sleep.
The next day, I drove across four state lines, winding up in Moses Lake, Washington for the evening. I clinched I-90 in Idaho and Washington that weekend.
3.2 beer is great if taking leaks constantly is anyone's idea of a hobby or competitive sport.
Trying to wrap my head around hydration through beer...
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 25, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
I'd think if the weed business is cash-only, that'd be a bit dangerous for the employee designated to take the day's proceeds to the bank after closing every evening. The less cash a business has to handle through the use of plastic or electronic payment systems, the less risk involved.
Every dispensary I've been to in IL has had security systems that rival those in casinos.
But those security systems wouldn't stop someone from clubbing the courier over the head when they're getting in their vehicle to drive to the bank, or doing something to force them to stop while on the road, or waylaying them when they get to the bank to do the night deposit.
The best way to move large amounts of cash is via an armored truck, but that's not cheap.
Another way is to obfuscate who the carrier is. Back in the late '70s/early '80s, a good friend of mine was the manager at a multi-screen movie theater. This was before online sales, of course, and they didn't accept cards back then, so on a busy weekend day it was not unusual to have a nightly cash deposit north of $15,000 from the ticket and concession sales.
They had a bonded service that provided a courier (one of several on a rotating basis). They would attend the last showing of one of the movies. One of the management staff would find them in the back of the theater and make the cash handoff in the dark. The courier wore clothes that could conceal a couple of night deposit bags. They would then just leave with all the movie goers in a group and would then go to the secure drop area the bank had after they determined they weren't being followed. Never had a problem in the time he worked there.
Quote from: Rothman on October 27, 2021, 06:44:32 AM
Trying to wrap my head around hydration through beer...
Much safer than coffee. If you drink too much hot coffee and your belly ruptures, you risk burning your toes. Not a hazard in case of beer.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 03, 2021, 02:47:06 PM
I remember in the summer of 1997 when I worked in Montgomery, Alabama, I was stunned that I could not buy beer on Sunday at the grocery store. No idea whether that's still the law.
Depends on the county. For as long as I can remember, alcohol sales in Shelby County were not allowed on Sunday. However, alcohol sales were allowed on Sunday in Jefferson County. Shelby County voted to allow alcohol sales on Sunday about 5 years ago (like everything else, it required an amendment to the Alabama Constitution).
Quote from: kalvado on October 27, 2021, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 27, 2021, 06:44:32 AM
Trying to wrap my head around hydration through beer...
Much safer than coffee. If you drink too much hot coffee and your belly ruptures, you risk burning your toes. Not a hazard in case of beer.
Um...how 'bout neither for hydration, then? :D
Quote from: catch22 on October 27, 2021, 10:15:40 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 25, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
I'd think if the weed business is cash-only, that'd be a bit dangerous for the employee designated to take the day's proceeds to the bank after closing every evening. The less cash a business has to handle through the use of plastic or electronic payment systems, the less risk involved.
Every dispensary I've been to in IL has had security systems that rival those in casinos.
But those security systems wouldn't stop someone from clubbing the courier over the head when they're getting in their vehicle to drive to the bank, or doing something to force them to stop while on the road, or waylaying them when they get to the bank to do the night deposit.
The best way to move large amounts of cash is via an armored truck, but that's not cheap.
Another way is to obfuscate who the carrier is. Back in the late '70s/early '80s, a good friend of mine was the manager at a multi-screen movie theater. This was before online sales, of course, and they didn't accept cards back then, so on a busy weekend day it was not unusual to have a nightly cash deposit north of $15,000 from the ticket and concession sales.
They had a bonded service that provided a courier (one of several on a rotating basis). They would attend the last showing of one of the movies. One of the management staff would find them in the back of the theater and make the cash handoff in the dark. The courier wore clothes that could conceal a couple of night deposit bags. They would then just leave with all the movie goers in a group and would then go to the secure drop area the bank had after they determined they weren't being followed. Never had a problem in the time he worked there.
Of course, if the manager approached someone who
wasn't the courier, that could get interesting...
That all seems pretty convoluted. When I was managing a restaurant that regularly did $40K in sales per night, we'd have deposits of $7k-$8k regularly. We just keep them in the safe and then the armored car guys would come once a week and pick up all of the deposits. Worked fine.
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 29, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
That all seems pretty convoluted. When I was managing a restaurant that regularly did $40K in sales per night, we'd have deposits of $7k-$8k regularly. We just keep them in the safe and then the armored car guys would come once a week and pick up all of the deposits. Worked fine.
Chris
Not every business has a safe, and the presence of one is often an attraction for robbers, even if there is a sign that says that on-duty personnel do not have access to it. A would-be robber can get frustrated and injure or kill an employee if they can't get the safe open.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 29, 2021, 10:51:05 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 29, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
That all seems pretty convoluted. When I was managing a restaurant that regularly did $40K in sales per night, we'd have deposits of $7k-$8k regularly. We just keep them in the safe and then the armored car guys would come once a week and pick up all of the deposits. Worked fine.
Chris
Not every business has a safe, and the presence of one is often an attraction for robbers, even if there is a sign that says that on-duty personnel do not have access to it. A would-be robber can get frustrated and injure or kill an employee if they can't get the safe open.
I mean, what do they do what that $15k of money in the popcorn bag the movie theater BEFORE the courier comes?
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 29, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
That all seems pretty convoluted. When I was managing a restaurant that regularly did $40K in sales per night, we'd have deposits of $7k-$8k regularly. We just keep them in the safe and then the armored car guys would come once a week and pick up all of the deposits. Worked fine.
Chris
I don't disagree, but the owner (who did everything on the cheap) did not want any substantial cash left overnight, even though the place had a decent safe so this was the solution he came up with.
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 29, 2021, 10:54:45 AM
I mean, what do they do what that $15k of money in the popcorn bag the movie theater BEFORE the courier comes?
Chris
:)
It was in standard locking night deposit bags, and one of the managers would run them up to the projection room after the count (out of sight of the customers), and then at the right time walk them down via another staircase to the prearranged theater and seat.
Quote from: catch22 on October 29, 2021, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 29, 2021, 10:54:45 AM
I mean, what do they do what that $15k of money in the popcorn bag the movie theater BEFORE the courier comes?
Chris
:)
It was in standard locking night deposit bags, and one of the managers would run them up to the projection room after the count (out of sight of the customers), and then at the right time walk them down via another staircase to the prearranged theater and seat.
And were those night deposit bags in a safe? Or just loosey goosey around the theater? AKA just as or less secure than just having an armored car guy pick them up out of a safe.
Chris
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 03, 2021, 01:21:02 PM
For those unfamiliar, blue laws, are mostly regulations held over from Prohibition. Dry counties, no liquor sales on Sunday, etc.
Before Covid last year my wife and I stayed with friends in Mississippi. As a thanks for letting us stay I wanted to find a nice bottle of wine for them. Culture shock, having lived in both California and now Oregon, you can't buy wine in grocery stores! :-o
I was a kid, I remember malls were closed on Sundays until a court struck down Mississippi's blue laws.
I am not sure if anyone has posted anything about Tennessee yet, at least not anything this thorough.
Tennessee does not have even medical marijuana (we have CBD oil, but not cannabis).
Counties are dry by default. Citizens have to elect whether to allow liquor stores and liquor-by-the-drink. There are wet counties and "moist" counties (wet cities within dry counties). For example, Madison County is wet. Henderson County is "moist" (Lexington and Parker's Crossroads are wet, the rest of the county is dry). In a wet city / county, liquor is allowed, but in a dry city / county, only wine and beer. It used to be that in a dry city / county, only beer, but wine was recently allowed in dry cities and counties.
Grocery stores and Walmart can sell wine and beer due to a recent law and gas stations and tobacco stores can sell beer, just not on Sundays. All alcohol sales are prohibited on Sundays, even beer, in stores.
If liquor-by-the-drink is voted in, restaurants and bars can sell liquor, mixed drinks, and wine every day (including Sunday), but only if liquor-by-the-drink is voted in. Beer is allowed everywhere though, provided restaurants are licensed.
The strangest case in the state is Sevier County. It is dry...except Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge. Gatlinburg has always been wet as far as I know, but Pigeon Forge was until two or three years ago dry, but that recently changed. Sevierville is, as far as I know, still dry. Restaurants that would not normally operate in a dry city / county operate in Sevierville and operated in Pigeon Forge when it was dry though due to the tourism industry and them I guess thinking they could make enough from food to offset what they would not make from alcohol.
Wow that makes Oklahoma look progressive with its recent modernization.
Gatlinburg has been wet at least since Shel Silverstein wrote "A Boy Named Sue" back in the 1960s.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 04, 2022, 07:49:25 PM
Wow that makes Oklahoma look progressive with its recent modernization.
Indeed. Tennessee makes MISSISSIPPI and ARKANSAS look progressive, which is sad! :(
I hate to say this, and this may be illegal and may get me banned (I hope not), but it's the truth.
There is too much money in PHARMACEUTICALS / HOSPITALS, especially in Tennessee. Notice I differentiated that between the word "healthcare" because what we have is NOT true health care, as if we were interested in curing people, helping treating people in the interest of making them better, we would have medical marijuana. No, there is too much money in keeping them sick. Billions are made in keeping cannabis illegal here from hospitalizations and pharmaceuticals. If it were legalized, they would lose that. Not to mention private prisons. And lobbyists in Washington, DC. It's corruption to the core.
[Edited to remove discussion of a specific politician. -S.]
I am adamant about this. My mother, maternal grandmother, younger brother, and I would greatly benefit from medical marijuana. We NEED medical marijuana to help treat our illnesses! Although none of us (except maybe possibly me, I would consider moving to Orlando if it were not 801 miles and 10 hours 36 minutes from my maternal grandmother's house since Florida is a medical state and I love Florida so much from when I lived there).
I am not completely against hospitals and pharmaceuticals. They have their purpose. I have undergone a few surgeries I needed. And I have family in the medical profession. Although at the same time, when progress is suppressed due to corruption, one should be concerned.
The prevailing school of thought in Kentucky is that marijuana legalization is being opposed/suppressed by the state's flagship bourbon industry.
Here's one thing I don't understand (and this may be veering off into verboten territory) but one of the arguments I keep hearing for legalization for medicinal use is the tax revenue it would bring to the state. Wait a minute. We don't tax medicine. So if medical pharmaceuticals aren't taxed, then why should medical marijuana be taxed? Where's the fairness in that? If it's medicine, don't tax it. If it's an intoxicant, tax it like alcohol.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
The prevailing school of thought in Kentucky is that marijuana legalization is being opposed/suppressed by the state's flagship bourbon industry.
Here's one thing I don't understand (and this may be veering off into verboten territory) but one of the arguments I keep hearing for legalization for medicinal use is the tax revenue it would bring to the state. Wait a minute. We don't tax medicine. So if medical pharmaceuticals aren't taxed, then why should medical marijuana be taxed? Where's the fairness in that? If it's medicine, don't tax it. If it's an intoxicant, tax it like alcohol.
For-profit companies that have pharmacies are taxed on their profits, so allowing marijuana sales would increase business tax revenue, even if there's no tax on the sales.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
Here's one thing I don't understand (and this may be veering off into verboten territory) but one of the arguments I keep hearing for legalization for medicinal use is the tax revenue it would bring to the state. Wait a minute. We don't tax medicine. So if medical pharmaceuticals aren't taxed, then why should medical marijuana be taxed? Where's the fairness in that? If it's medicine, don't tax it. If it's an intoxicant, tax it like alcohol.
You bring up the very point. The pot people have wrapped the legalization deal in medical terms and such. Wearing lab coats and using terms like "dispensary" and selling joints in brown drug store bottles and all of this.
I personally could not care less if a person want to smoke pot all day or not (as long as they get a J O B to pay for it) but the danger in calling this stuff "medicine" is real and dangerous. I know several, highly educated, people who are convinced it cures everything from cancer to bad breath. It doesn't. It is a recreational intoxicant. If it is medicine, then so is Budweiser.
Saying otherwise prevents people from seeking out real physicians for real treatments for real illnesses.
Quote from: SP Cook on January 05, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
Here's one thing I don't understand (and this may be veering off into verboten territory) but one of the arguments I keep hearing for legalization for medicinal use is the tax revenue it would bring to the state. Wait a minute. We don't tax medicine. So if medical pharmaceuticals aren't taxed, then why should medical marijuana be taxed? Where's the fairness in that? If it's medicine, don't tax it. If it's an intoxicant, tax it like alcohol.
You bring up the very point. The pot people have wrapped the legalization deal in medical terms and such. Wearing lab coats and using terms like "dispensary" and selling joints in brown drug store bottles and all of this.
I personally could not care less if a person want to smoke pot all day or not (as long as they get a J O B to pay for it) but the danger in calling this stuff "medicine" is real and dangerous. I know several, highly educated, people who are convinced it cures everything from cancer to bad breath. It doesn't. It is a recreational intoxicant. If it is medicine, then so is Budweiser.
Saying otherwise prevents people from seeking out real physicians for real treatments for real illnesses.
I don't really know how you can make that statement. Because of our country's policy of labeling marijuana a Schedule 1 drug, we can't even really do all the studies to determine all of the medical effects. It's not that great of a leap that cannabis could have substantial medicinal properties just like a million other plants do.
Exhibit 1.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 05, 2022, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 05, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
Here's one thing I don't understand (and this may be veering off into verboten territory) but one of the arguments I keep hearing for legalization for medicinal use is the tax revenue it would bring to the state. Wait a minute. We don't tax medicine. So if medical pharmaceuticals aren't taxed, then why should medical marijuana be taxed? Where's the fairness in that? If it's medicine, don't tax it. If it's an intoxicant, tax it like alcohol.
You bring up the very point. The pot people have wrapped the legalization deal in medical terms and such. Wearing lab coats and using terms like "dispensary" and selling joints in brown drug store bottles and all of this.
I personally could not care less if a person want to smoke pot all day or not (as long as they get a J O B to pay for it) but the danger in calling this stuff "medicine" is real and dangerous. I know several, highly educated, people who are convinced it cures everything from cancer to bad breath. It doesn't. It is a recreational intoxicant. If it is medicine, then so is Budweiser.
Saying otherwise prevents people from seeking out real physicians for real treatments for real illnesses.
I don't really know how you can make that statement. Because of our country's policy of labeling marijuana a Schedule 1 drug, we can't even really do all the studies to determine all of the medical effects. It's not that great of a leap that cannabis could have substantial medicinal properties just like a million other plants do.
Millions other plants have relatively narrow acting medical properties. So do most synthetic meds, with some off-label use which may or may not be working great.
That is one thing that makes me pretty skeptical about advertised medical properties of marijuana
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on January 04, 2022, 07:08:59 PM
I am not sure if anyone has posted anything about Tennessee yet, at least not anything this thorough.
Tennessee does not have even medical marijuana (we have CBD oil, but not cannabis).
Counties are dry by default. Citizens have to elect whether to allow liquor stores and liquor-by-the-drink. There are wet counties and "moist" counties (wet cities within dry counties). For example, Madison County is wet. Henderson County is "moist" (Lexington and Parker's Crossroads are wet, the rest of the county is dry). In a wet city / county, liquor is allowed, but in a dry city / county, only wine and beer. It used to be that in a dry city / county, only beer, but wine was recently allowed in dry cities and counties.
I've always been amused that Jack Daniel's Tennessee Whiskey is made in a dry county (Moore) where it cannot legally be purchased.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 05, 2022, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on January 04, 2022, 07:08:59 PM
I am not sure if anyone has posted anything about Tennessee yet, at least not anything this thorough.
Tennessee does not have even medical marijuana (we have CBD oil, but not cannabis).
Counties are dry by default. Citizens have to elect whether to allow liquor stores and liquor-by-the-drink. There are wet counties and "moist" counties (wet cities within dry counties). For example, Madison County is wet. Henderson County is "moist" (Lexington and Parker's Crossroads are wet, the rest of the county is dry). In a wet city / county, liquor is allowed, but in a dry city / county, only wine and beer. It used to be that in a dry city / county, only beer, but wine was recently allowed in dry cities and counties.
I've always been amused that Jack Daniel's Tennessee Whiskey is made in a dry county (Moore) where it cannot legally be purchased.
Indeed. Jack Daniel's can only be purchased at the Jack Daniel's gift shop in Moore County, and only be consumed on their whiskey tasting tour.
Quote from: kalvado on January 05, 2022, 02:18:48 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 05, 2022, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 05, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
Here's one thing I don't understand (and this may be veering off into verboten territory) but one of the arguments I keep hearing for legalization for medicinal use is the tax revenue it would bring to the state. Wait a minute. We don't tax medicine. So if medical pharmaceuticals aren't taxed, then why should medical marijuana be taxed? Where's the fairness in that? If it's medicine, don't tax it. If it's an intoxicant, tax it like alcohol.
You bring up the very point. The pot people have wrapped the legalization deal in medical terms and such. Wearing lab coats and using terms like "dispensary" and selling joints in brown drug store bottles and all of this.
I personally could not care less if a person want to smoke pot all day or not (as long as they get a J O B to pay for it) but the danger in calling this stuff "medicine" is real and dangerous. I know several, highly educated, people who are convinced it cures everything from cancer to bad breath. It doesn't. It is a recreational intoxicant. If it is medicine, then so is Budweiser.
Saying otherwise prevents people from seeking out real physicians for real treatments for real illnesses.
I don't really know how you can make that statement. Because of our country's policy of labeling marijuana a Schedule 1 drug, we can't even really do all the studies to determine all of the medical effects. It's not that great of a leap that cannabis could have substantial medicinal properties just like a million other plants do.
Millions other plants have relatively narrow acting medical properties. So do most synthetic meds, with some off-label use which may or may not be working great.
That is one thing that makes me pretty skeptical about advertised medical properties of marijuana
And for the record, I am not one of those people who thinks that cannabis cures everything. But I do think you can't rule out some things saying it has no benefit unless you study it to find out.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
The prevailing school of thought in Kentucky is that marijuana legalization is being opposed/suppressed by the state's flagship bourbon industry.
Around here, the Tavern League of Wisconsin is a surprising powerful lobby against cannabis legalization. No probably about it. When they're not lobbying against more severe penalties for drunk driving, they take some time to spread FUD about legal weed. And it's not a left-right thing. The Tavern League is cozy with both parties in Wisconsin.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
Here's one thing I don't understand (and this may be veering off into verboten territory) but one of the arguments I keep hearing for legalization for medicinal use is the tax revenue it would bring to the state. Wait a minute. We don't tax medicine. So if medical pharmaceuticals aren't taxed, then why should medical marijuana be taxed? Where's the fairness in that? If it's medicine, don't tax it. If it's an intoxicant, tax it like alcohol.
That's because there's a subset of the American people that can't (won't) understand any sort of political argument that isn't based on money. Legalizing it because it's the right thing to do, or because it will offer the people more freedom, or because it will help people, aren't arguments that will actually convince anyone anymore. The people that those arguments will convince are already convinced. So you have to bring up the tax revenue thing to convince the people who don't give a damn about the well-being of others that it's a good idea.
Quote from: SP Cook on January 05, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
I personally could not care less if a person want to smoke pot all day or not (as long as they get a J O B to pay for it) but the danger in calling this stuff "medicine" is real and dangerous. I know several, highly educated, people who are convinced it cures everything from cancer to bad breath. It doesn't. It is a recreational intoxicant. If it is medicine, then so is Budweiser.
Mmmhmm. Prior to being on medical marijuana my wife had to take off so much time off from work due to chronic pain that she lost two jobs over it. Now that she's on it, she's considered a top performer at her current job.
I wonder if medical marijuana could fix your M A L F U N C T I O N I N G S P A C E B A R...
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
The prevailing school of thought in Kentucky is that marijuana legalization is being opposed/suppressed by the state's flagship bourbon industry.
Here's one thing I don't understand (and this may be veering off into verboten territory) but one of the arguments I keep hearing for legalization for medicinal use is the tax revenue it would bring to the state. Wait a minute. We don't tax medicine. So if medical pharmaceuticals aren't taxed, then why should medical marijuana be taxed? Where's the fairness in that? If it's medicine, don't tax it. If it's an intoxicant, tax it like alcohol.
In Massachusetts and Vermont, recreational marijuana is taxed (plus regular sales tax). If you have a prescription, it is not. Maine charges no weed tax but does regular sales tax for prescribed weed.
The potential fraud that may exist in that? Make of it what you will.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 05, 2022, 04:40:41 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
Here's one thing I don't understand (and this may be veering off into verboten territory) but one of the arguments I keep hearing for legalization for medicinal use is the tax revenue it would bring to the state. Wait a minute. We don't tax medicine. So if medical pharmaceuticals aren't taxed, then why should medical marijuana be taxed? Where's the fairness in that? If it's medicine, don't tax it. If it's an intoxicant, tax it like alcohol.
That's because there's a subset of the American people that can't (won't) understand any sort of political argument that isn't based on money. Legalizing it because it's the right thing to do, or because it will offer the people more freedom, or because it will help people, aren't arguments that will actually convince anyone anymore. The people that those arguments will convince are already convinced. So you have to bring up the tax revenue thing to convince the people who don't give a damn about the well-being of others that it's a good idea.
Quote from: SP Cook on January 05, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
I personally could not care less if a person want to smoke pot all day or not (as long as they get a J O B to pay for it) but the danger in calling this stuff "medicine" is real and dangerous. I know several, highly educated, people who are convinced it cures everything from cancer to bad breath. It doesn't. It is a recreational intoxicant. If it is medicine, then so is Budweiser.
Mmmhmm. Prior to being on medical marijuana my wife had to take off so much time off from work due to chronic pain that she lost two jobs over it. Now that she's on it, she's considered a top performer at her current job.
I wonder if medical marijuana could fix your M A L F U N C T I O N I N G S P A C E B A R...
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Quote from: Scott5114 on January 05, 2022, 04:40:41 PM
I wonder if medical marijuana could fix your M A L F U N C T I O N I N G S P A C E B A R...
I didn't see any formatting problems with his post. Everything looked spaced just fine.
But then I checked his post when I hit the "quote" button (I deleted his comments for this reply.) He double-spaced between sentences. It's a habit that's hard to break if you learned to type on a typewriter instead of a computer. I was one of those who was on the cusp of both technologies. I learned to type on an old manual typewriter. When I was in college, I would occasionally have to compose stories for the student newspaper on an old Compugraphic VDT and it only required a single space between sentences. It was a conscious effort not to use two spaces between sentences, as I had learned in typing class.
Kentucky's 2022 legislative session just started this week. There will be a push for both medical weed and sports betting. The horse racing industry will lobby hard against sports books, as they have against casinos in the past.
Quote from: SP Cook on January 05, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
Here's one thing I don't understand (and this may be veering off into verboten territory) but one of the arguments I keep hearing for legalization for medicinal use is the tax revenue it would bring to the state. Wait a minute. We don't tax medicine. So if medical pharmaceuticals aren't taxed, then why should medical marijuana be taxed? Where's the fairness in that? If it's medicine, don't tax it. If it's an intoxicant, tax it like alcohol.
You bring up the very point. The pot people have wrapped the legalization deal in medical terms and such. Wearing lab coats and using terms like "dispensary" and selling joints in brown drug store bottles and all of this.
I personally could not care less if a person want to smoke pot all day or not (as long as they get a J O B to pay for it) but the danger in calling this stuff "medicine" is real and dangerous. I know several, highly educated, people who are convinced it cures everything from cancer to bad breath. It doesn't. It is a recreational intoxicant. If it is medicine, then so is Budweiser.
Saying otherwise prevents people from seeking out real physicians for real treatments for real illnesses.
There are plenty of studies showing that cannabis has medical benefits for a limited number of specific medical conditions, studies that are easy to find unless you're trying not to find them.
Quote from: andy3175 on October 17, 2021, 11:44:25 PM
Looks like Wyoming is eligible to sell Samuel Adams Utopias, which is notable for being a 25.4% alcohol by volume beer.
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/09/20/sam-adams-releases-25-4-alcohol-beer-illegal-in-15-states-but-legal-in-wyoming/
QuoteThe lack of regulation on the amount of alcohol in beer sold in Wyoming means that the new Samuel Adams "Utopias" beer is legal in the Cowboy state.
Not so in 15 other states where the 25.4% alcohol level is too high for it to be sold.
Last week, Samuel Adams' announced the latest incarnation of its "Utopias" beer will be released on Oct. 11. The special brews are released every two years and this batch, the brewery said, is made with thousands of pounds of cherries and the highly-coveted "Balaton" fruit – which is another type of cherry – and foodies love it.
The reason it's making news, however, is due to its alcohol content. At 25.4%, it's six times what the average beer holds. ...
The states which don't allow the beer include: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont and West Virginia.
25.4%? That's crazy. Don't you have to distill it to make it that strong? I don't mind if they make it and sell it, but they shouldn't be calling it beer.
Any beer that you can taste the alcohol of more than the flavor is not a beer. The flavor is the main point of getting to the buzz. Otherwise we'd all just mainline Steel Reserve and end the pretense.
Quote from: Rothman on October 27, 2021, 06:44:32 AM
Trying to wrap my head around hydration through beer...
Back before purification of drinking water was understood it was very common to make "small beer" with just enough alcohol content to discourage most of the microorganisms. Everyone drank it, even young kids. It was usually about 0.5% to 2.0% alcohol. Wine-growing regions would make a low-alcohol wine instead.
Quote from: kkt on January 06, 2022, 12:01:12 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 27, 2021, 06:44:32 AM
Trying to wrap my head around hydration through beer...
Back before purification of drinking water was understood it was very common to make "small beer" with just enough alcohol content to discourage most of the microorganisms. Everyone drank it, even young kids. It was usually about 0.5% to 2.0% alcohol. Wine-growing regions would make a low-alcohol wine instead.
This ain't the Middle Ages, kkt!
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on January 04, 2022, 10:05:14 PM
I am adamant about this. My mother, maternal grandmother, younger brother, and I would greatly benefit from medical marijuana. We NEED medical marijuana to help treat our illnesses!
However, we don't actually KNOW that medical marijuana would be beneficial. Some people swear by it. But we can't really know until controlled studies can be done, just like any other medical drug. And there can't be controlled studies done as long as marijuana remains on Schedule 1. In order to get off Schedule 1, it would have to be proven beneficial. Nice little catch 22 they've got.
Quote from: Rothman on January 06, 2022, 12:07:02 AM
Quote from: kkt on January 06, 2022, 12:01:12 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 27, 2021, 06:44:32 AM
Trying to wrap my head around hydration through beer...
Back before purification of drinking water was understood it was very common to make "small beer" with just enough alcohol content to discourage most of the microorganisms. Everyone drank it, even young kids. It was usually about 0.5% to 2.0% alcohol. Wine-growing regions would make a low-alcohol wine instead.
This ain't the Middle Ages, kkt!
Effective drinking water purification wasn't really common until the late 1800s and early 1900s. So it's not as long ago as you seem to think.
Richmond, VA, didn't let grocery stores open until 11 AM or noon or thereabouts on Sundays. They couldn't make going to church mandatory, but they could make sure everything else was closed...
Quote from: kkt on January 06, 2022, 12:11:04 AM
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on January 04, 2022, 10:05:14 PM
I am adamant about this. My mother, maternal grandmother, younger brother, and I would greatly benefit from medical marijuana. We NEED medical marijuana to help treat our illnesses!
However, we don't actually KNOW that medical marijuana would be beneficial. Some people swear by it. But we can't really know until controlled studies can be done, just like any other medical drug. And there can't be controlled studies done as long as marijuana remains on Schedule 1. In order to get off Schedule 1, it would have to be proven beneficial. Nice little catch 22 they've got.
Yeah, it's too bad that controlled studies are only done in the United States and not in any of the many countries where it is legal.
Quote from: 1 on January 05, 2022, 08:40:14 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2022, 08:37:08 PM
I didn't see any formatting problems with his post. Everything looked spaced just fine.
Quote from: SP Cook on January 05, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
J O B
Honestly, that didn't even register with me because I'm so used to seeing people spell out words to emphasize them.
Perhaps that should become an entry in the "Minor Things That Bother You" thread. But it still doesn't bother me Like. Making. Every. Single. Word. Into. Its. Own. Sentence. Via. The. Use. Of. Capital. Letters. And. Periods. does. :D
Quote from: kkt on January 05, 2022, 11:54:13 PM
Quote from: andy3175 on October 17, 2021, 11:44:25 PM
Looks like Wyoming is eligible to sell Samuel Adams Utopias, which is notable for being a 25.4% alcohol by volume beer.
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/09/20/sam-adams-releases-25-4-alcohol-beer-illegal-in-15-states-but-legal-in-wyoming/
QuoteThe lack of regulation on the amount of alcohol in beer sold in Wyoming means that the new Samuel Adams "Utopias" beer is legal in the Cowboy state.
Not so in 15 other states where the 25.4% alcohol level is too high for it to be sold.
Last week, Samuel Adams' announced the latest incarnation of its "Utopias" beer will be released on Oct. 11. The special brews are released every two years and this batch, the brewery said, is made with thousands of pounds of cherries and the highly-coveted "Balaton" fruit – which is another type of cherry – and foodies love it.
The reason it's making news, however, is due to its alcohol content. At 25.4%, it's six times what the average beer holds. ...
The states which don't allow the beer include: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont and West Virginia.
25.4%? That's crazy. Don't you have to distill it to make it that strong? I don't mind if they make it and sell it, but they shouldn't be calling it beer.
They're not the only ones who do it, but when a beer that strong is sold it usually doesn't have the ABV listed on the bottle. When visiting a local brewery that had some beers like that, they explained that they're not legally allowed to advertise the ABV if it's 20% or more. We didn't get into how those ABVs get so high in the first place, but a lot of beers like those are also aged in liquor barrels, which both changes the flavor and adds a bit of ABV.
Quote from: kkt on January 06, 2022, 12:19:21 AM
Quote from: Rothman on January 06, 2022, 12:07:02 AM
Quote from: kkt on January 06, 2022, 12:01:12 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 27, 2021, 06:44:32 AM
Trying to wrap my head around hydration through beer...
Back before purification of drinking water was understood it was very common to make "small beer" with just enough alcohol content to discourage most of the microorganisms. Everyone drank it, even young kids. It was usually about 0.5% to 2.0% alcohol. Wine-growing regions would make a low-alcohol wine instead.
This ain't the Middle Ages, kkt!
Effective drinking water purification wasn't really common until the late 1800s and early 1900s. So it's not as long ago as you seem to think.
*blinks*
This ain't the Middle Ages, kkt! :D