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Right Idea, Wrong Sign

Started by vtk, April 01, 2015, 12:16:16 AM

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vtk

Not exactly erroneous, the sign itself looks alright, the meaning is fairly obvious, but this just isn't right*:

Chestnut St & Leader St, Marion, OH


It's possible there was once (before 2007) a proper W1-7 sign there on two posts, and something happened to the left post, so they put up this W2-4 on the remaining post.

*After looking in the MUTCD for a couple minutes, I couldn't find any passage that says they can't do it this way.  Is this actually permissible?
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.


KEK Inc.

Doubtful; a sign like that is used to indicate that the road will end at a T-intersection before the fact.
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Brian556

There are several intersections like this in Double Oak, Texas. This is what happens when people who don't know much about signs are allowed to install them.


kphoger

Man, I had a few examples to post from back in Illinois, but they all seem to have been removed. One is simply no longer there, one of them is no longer a T intersection due to reconstruction, etc.
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adventurernumber1

That's like stepping into a room with toxic gas then inside the room, noticing a sign that warns you of it.  :rofl:  :pan:

I don't think I've ever seen that before..
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spooky

Saw an intersection like that where the stop sign was mounted on the opposite side of the intersection.

Sucks for the older driver at night who maybe can't see what's ahead of them very well, but knows they are supposed to stop adjacent to the stop sign.

Big John

Quote from: spooky on April 03, 2015, 10:18:51 AM
Saw an intersection like that where the stop sign was mounted on the opposite side of the intersection.

Sucks for the older driver at night who maybe can't see what's ahead of them very well, but knows they are supposed to stop adjacent to the stop sign.
example of this: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.960851,-84.548731,3a,75y,103.91h,77.21t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sbsSYFUwVdc-3NBMgBeY5qg!2e0

Scott5114


This is on a service road to OK-9 in Newcastle. I'm guessing they don't really want you to stop here; there is no cross street here, no sign in the other direction, and this is displayed right after turning onto the service road and going around a curve so you can run parallel to OK-9.
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vtk

Quote from: spooky on April 03, 2015, 10:18:51 AM
Saw an intersection like that where the stop sign was mounted on the opposite side of the intersection.

Sucks for the older driver at night who maybe can't see what's ahead of them very well, but knows they are supposed to stop adjacent to the stop sign.

I think there's one of those in Chatfield, Ohio, but GSV didn't get close enough to capture it. On a street leading east from OH 4, ending a block later: if you continue straight through the intersection, you crash into first a stop sign and then a barn.
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

kphoger

Quote from: vtk on April 03, 2015, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: spooky on April 03, 2015, 10:18:51 AM
Saw an intersection like that where the stop sign was mounted on the opposite side of the intersection.

Sucks for the older driver at night who maybe can't see what's ahead of them very well, but knows they are supposed to stop adjacent to the stop sign.

I think there's one of those in Chatfield, Ohio, but GSV didn't get close enough to capture it. On a street leading east from OH 4, ending a block later: if you continue straight through the intersection, you crash into first a stop sign and then a barn.

I see STOP signs posted on the far side of intersections all the time in Mexico. It's actually the best way to do it in some locations because the street is very narrow and there's no good place to put a sign between the pavement and the buildings, so they just mount it directly onto a building across the street. I'll dig up a GSV example in a few minutes.

My favorite one, though, is from Herrin, IL, but it appears to have been removed. It was a dead end street, and at the end of the street was a STOP sign, dead center at the terminus.
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kphoger

Quote from: kphoger on April 03, 2015, 05:27:33 PM
STOP signs posted on the far side of intersections in Mexico

As promised...

It turns out I'm having a hard time finding one that's actually mounted to a building.  I guess I forgot how many telephone poles there are in that town!

Far side - http://goo.gl/maps/sNWiz
Yield sign from the other direction as that one - http://goo.gl/maps/0DwHw
Far side, left side of the street - http://goo.gl/maps/QbTtr
Far side of a T intersection - http://goo.gl/maps/jqfi8
Far side, left side of the street - http://goo.gl/maps/TEohp
Far side of a T intersection (sort of) - http://goo.gl/maps/wTgqM
Near-side Yield and Far-side Stop, same intersection - http://goo.gl/maps/ARj4P
Far side of a T intersection - http://goo.gl/maps/qbQHy

I'm sure I could come up with more, just from this one town.
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SignGeek101

http://goo.gl/maps/UiojO

'JCT' is supposed to be used before the intersection, not at it.

freebrickproductions

Here's a similar situation in a traffic circle at a shopping center here in Huntsville:



This was put up after the shopping center decided to finally fix most of the knocked down signage in this traffic circle. The sign in the picture actually replaced a sign like this that was mounted at a 45° angle (so it was a square rather than a diamond, I can also post pictures of the sign on the other side, which is still the same). I think the only reason they decided to "fix" the signage here is because the City of Huntsville put up "end city maintenance/enter private property" signs at the entrances to this shopping center.
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Quote from: SignGeek101 on April 03, 2015, 07:12:55 PM
http://goo.gl/maps/UiojO

'JCT' is supposed to be used before the intersection, not at it.

Got one of those around here too:

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JoePCool14

Maybe the sign is assuming the light is red ahead  :bigass:

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Quote from: TrevorB on April 05, 2015, 06:43:43 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.934924,-89.988607,3a,37.9y,187.11h,82.74t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sGzz_FHRoTaqA6GK54QP_5Q!2e0

This sign was never changed when the stop sign was converted to a traffic light around 2007.

Another example of that situation: http://tinyurl.com/nfwc5ad
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kphoger

I hate these goofs. It's not a lane merge, it's a turn-only lane. Why can't Wichita seem to figure out the difference?

http://goo.gl/maps/FsuyR
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vtk

Quote from: kphoger on April 06, 2015, 02:01:26 PM
I hate these goofs. It's not a lane merge, it's a turn-only lane. Why can't Wichita seem to figure out the difference?

http://goo.gl/maps/FsuyR

It doesn't appear to be marked as a turn only lane. Taking the sign literally, I'd say it would be permitted to proceed straight through the intersection from the right lane, of course yielding to any traffic already in the other lane. But that's probably not what the city wants people to do, hence, wrong sign.
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

Big John

^^ Need to re-mark the pavement and replace the sign wit a R3-7.

briantroutman

Quote from: kphoger on April 06, 2015, 02:01:26 PM
I hate these goofs. It's not a lane merge, it's a turn-only lane. Why can't Wichita seem to figure out the difference?

http://goo.gl/maps/FsuyR

Similarly, I've seen places in California where turn only lanes are marked with the large diagonal "lane reduction"  arrows. I don't recall having encountered this elsewhere.

https://goo.gl/maps/WuUVU

JoePCool14

Something like that shown here...

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.114477,-87.848889,3a,75y,322.46h,67.39t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7UnT00dWyukDobPK6MpEPA!2e0

To the right is a lane ends sign, and if you rotate left there is a Right Turn Only lane. The entire signage here is illogical.

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jakeroot

Quote from: briantroutman on April 06, 2015, 02:15:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 06, 2015, 02:01:26 PM
I hate these goofs. It's not a lane merge, it's a turn-only lane. Why can't Wichita seem to figure out the difference?

http://goo.gl/maps/FsuyR

Similarly, I've seen places in California where turn only lanes are marked with the large diagonal "lane reduction"  arrows. I don't recall having encountered this elsewhere.

https://goo.gl/maps/WuUVU

I don't actually mind that. The DOT is basically saying "To stay on this road, merge left...otherwise, prepare to turn right".



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