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Author Topic: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties  (Read 18364 times)

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Re: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties
« Reply #125 on: January 10, 2022, 04:58:25 PM »

TX DOT should have started planning for a freeway upgrade of US-380 between Denton and McKinney back in the early 1990's. The work they're starting is more than 20 years overdue. Some of the existing 4-lane and 6-lane portions weren't upgraded from 2-lanes into that until the late 1990's going into the early 2000's. If they hadn't piddled around the freeway upgrade would have been able to follow along more of US-380. And much of the work would be finished already. The Denton and McKinney segments are going to go bending all over the place.

US-82 farther North between Gainesville and Sherman is currently threatening to turn into a similar mess. At least US-82 is limited access going thru Sherman.
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Re: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties
« Reply #126 on: January 11, 2022, 10:57:57 PM »

I'm not as worried about US 82 in Grayson County because it has a sufficient ROW footprint already as an expressway. There are driveways and grade intersections for sure west of US 75, but there are options for a remedy. TxDOT planned a little better east of Sherman and to the Lamar County line.
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Re: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties
« Reply #127 on: January 12, 2022, 02:18:56 PM »

The stretch of US-82 between US-377 (Whitesboro) and US-75 (Sherman) isn't too bad for now. The segment of US-82 between Gainesville and Whitesboro is more of a mess, particularly the area immediately East of Gainesville to the intersection with FM-678. The "US 82 Relief Route" TX DOT studied years ago had less to do with moving thru traffic on US-82 and more to do with North-South traffic on I-35.
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Re: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties
« Reply #128 on: January 12, 2022, 11:36:23 PM »

The stretch of US-82 between US-377 (Whitesboro) and US-75 (Sherman) isn't too bad for now. The segment of US-82 between Gainesville and Whitesboro is more of a mess, particularly the area immediately East of Gainesville to the intersection with FM-678. The "US 82 Relief Route" TX DOT studied years ago had less to do with moving thru traffic on US-82 and more to do with North-South traffic on I-35.


Actually the entirety of US-82 between the two ends of SH-56 (the former routing of US-82) has ROW for 2x2 mainlanes as well as through frontage roads on both sides. To be exact from the Cooke County line to the Lamar County Line. (On the west end that is about a mile past SH-56 on the east they are pretty much at the same place. ) The ROW is there even at Whitesboro HS. Some of the access will wind up changing, but the ROW is there. 

Cooke County is a different story. Likewise Lamar.
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Re: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties
« Reply #129 on: January 13, 2022, 12:01:59 AM »

That's a sort of different way of saying what I said. US-82 is a mess from Gainesville (in Cooke County) going East to the Grayson County line just West of Whitesboro. It would be much more simple to upgrade US-82 within Grayson County since all the ROW is there. Farther East into Fannin County isn't bad either. The segment of US-82 going into Paris, TX isn't nearly as upgrade-ready. But it's not nearly as much of a mess as what's going on at the East side of Gainesville. Any thru freeway upgrades of US-82 in Gainesville will likely require a new terrain freeway bypass. A partial or full loop around Gainesville will probably be the eventual outcome.
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Re: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties
« Reply #133 on: January 15, 2022, 09:32:02 PM »

There seems to be confusion here: the current construction project will widen 380 and construct 5 grade separations. It will not turn 380 into a freeway.
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Re: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties
« Reply #134 on: January 15, 2022, 09:33:52 PM »

There seems to be confusion here: the current construction project will widen 380 and construct 5 grade separations. It will not turn 380 into a freeway.

I originally thought that none of US 380 in Texas was a freeway, maybe for that instance I should've sticked to my first instinct. However, TxDOT recommends to upgrade US 380 into a freeway.
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Re: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties
« Reply #135 on: January 15, 2022, 09:39:37 PM »

^ The current project is grade separations and widening.

In the future, they recommend a full freeway.
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Re: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties
« Reply #136 on: January 16, 2022, 11:17:53 AM »

Articles are written by those w/o a construction or engineering background.  Details are sparse.   While not intimate with the area, was in Denton last spring, and evidence of growth and real estate activity was widespread.   They really should have seen this coming, years, if not three decades ago. 
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Re: DFW: US 380 freeway in Collin and Denton counties
« Reply #137 on: January 16, 2022, 02:28:17 PM »

Articles are written by those w/o a construction or engineering background.  Details are sparse.   While not intimate with the area, was in Denton last spring, and evidence of growth and real estate activity was widespread.   They really should have seen this coming, years, if not three decades ago.
If they built it 3 decades ago, it almost certainly would've been as a tollway.
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