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US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« on: September 28, 2020, 09:22:54 PM »

In the released AASHO database I have found 3 differing fantastical wishes for US 9.  The first two were by advocacy groups and the third was actually put forward by North Carolina:

1.  Have US 9 replace US 11 so that there would be a Montreal to the coast route
2.  Have US 9 routed to the new US route through central VA/NC (this actually became US 15)
3.  Have US 9 replace US 221 which NC was also advocating expanding to run Greenwood SC to Roanoke VA
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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 10:17:11 PM »

1. Replace what part of US 11? US 9 is Montreal to the coast. I guess you mean "Gulf Coast." New Jersey is angry at this one.
2. Now that it ends in Delaware, you could finagle it through DC as an east-west route, but yuck.
3. And how would it connect from Roanoke?

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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2020, 02:33:37 PM »

My US 9 fantasy from the 1930s would have been to not convert US 9E into US 9, but to maintain the 9E/9W split. Either that or renumber US 9W to 109.
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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2020, 06:09:26 PM »

My US 9 fantasy from the 1930s would have been to not convert US 9E into US 9, but to maintain the 9E/9W split. Either that or renumber US 9W to 109.
I mean, US 109 was originally planned for 9, and 9 was planned along 9W.

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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2020, 07:12:58 PM »

Where was that "US" 109 picture taken? It's obviously an erroneous sign of a State Highway 109 somewhere. It would have been nice if there actually was a US 109 somewhere.
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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2020, 08:42:17 PM »

The US 109 sign picture was taken in Magazine, AR.


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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2020, 02:50:01 PM »

Why is there a US 9W but not a 9E?  Personally I think having E-W splits of a route is stupid.  Perhaps US 9W should be renumbered to US 109?
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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2020, 05:09:08 PM »

There was a US 9E, but it was decommissioned in 1930, and replaced with mainline US 9. Why 9E was decommissioned but 9W was retained, I haven't got a clue.
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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2020, 08:48:47 PM »

There was a US 9E, but it was decommissioned in 1930, and replaced with mainline US 9. Why 9E was decommissioned but 9W was retained, I haven't got a clue.
The timing makes me wonder if NY's modern numbering system (which was also adopted in 1930), which uses suffixes to denote child routes, has something to do with it.
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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2020, 10:00:58 PM »

There was a US 9E, but it was decommissioned in 1930, and replaced with mainline US 9. Why 9E was decommissioned but 9W was retained, I haven't got a clue.
The timing makes me wonder if NY's modern numbering system (which was also adopted in 1930), which uses suffixes to denote child routes, has something to do with it.

Which, for me, then begs the question: why not just call it NY 9W? From what Iíve heard, a lot of the signage marks it as such anyway.
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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2020, 12:29:27 AM »

There was a US 9E, but it was decommissioned in 1930, and replaced with mainline US 9. Why 9E was decommissioned but 9W was retained, I haven't got a clue.
The timing makes me wonder if NY's modern numbering system (which was also adopted in 1930), which uses suffixes to denote child routes, has something to do with it.

Which, for me, then begs the question: why not just call it NY 9W? From what Iíve heard, a lot of the signage marks it as such anyway.
Most of the signage does not, and I think NJ would have something to say about that, not to mention the whole west side of the Hudson has a worthy US highway.

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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2020, 12:17:46 PM »

Why is there a US 9W but not a 9E?  Personally I think having E-W splits of a route is stupid.  Perhaps US 9W should be renumbered to US 109?
Well, it's not the only orphan suffix.  There's US 6N.  And the stub of US 25E in KY that extends past 25 to I-75.  And the strange situation with US 70S, US 70, US 70N in TN.
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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2020, 06:24:47 PM »

Why is there a US 9W but not a 9E?  Personally I think having E-W splits of a route is stupid.  Perhaps US 9W should be renumbered to US 109?
Well, it's not the only orphan suffix.  There's US 6N.  And the stub of US 25E in KY that extends past 25 to I-75.  And the strange situation with US 70S, US 70, US 70N in TN.
Is that actually 25E, or a 4-digit unsigned state highway?

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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2020, 08:12:47 PM »

Why is there a US 9W but not a 9E?  Personally I think having E-W splits of a route is stupid.  Perhaps US 9W should be renumbered to US 109?
Well, it's not the only orphan suffix.  There's US 6N.  And the stub of US 25E in KY that extends past 25 to I-75.  And the strange situation with US 70S, US 70, US 70N in TN.
Is that actually 25E, or a 4-digit unsigned state highway?

Actually US 25E.  Approved by AASHO in 1975.

And for the umpteenth time, in their June 30, 1975 memo to Kentucky telling them it was approved, asked Ky to get with Tennessee and renumber US 25E as 25 and drop US 25W from the system entirely.
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Re: US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2021, 02:40:00 PM »

Tennesseans are quite adjusted to their suffixes. No reason to change signage at the expense of the taxpayer and ask businesses to change their listings.
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