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US 9 fantasies of the early 1930s

Started by Mapmikey, September 28, 2020, 09:22:54 PM

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Mapmikey

In the released AASHO database I have found 3 differing fantastical wishes for US 9.  The first two were by advocacy groups and the third was actually put forward by North Carolina:

1.  Have US 9 replace US 11 so that there would be a Montreal to the coast route
2.  Have US 9 routed to the new US route through central VA/NC (this actually became US 15)
3.  Have US 9 replace US 221 which NC was also advocating expanding to run Greenwood SC to Roanoke VA


Alps

1. Replace what part of US 11? US 9 is Montreal to the coast. I guess you mean "Gulf Coast." New Jersey is angry at this one.
2. Now that it ends in Delaware, you could finagle it through DC as an east-west route, but yuck.
3. And how would it connect from Roanoke?

The Ghostbuster

My US 9 fantasy from the 1930s would have been to not convert US 9E into US 9, but to maintain the 9E/9W split. Either that or renumber US 9W to 109.

Alps

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 29, 2020, 02:33:37 PM
My US 9 fantasy from the 1930s would have been to not convert US 9E into US 9, but to maintain the 9E/9W split. Either that or renumber US 9W to 109.
I mean, US 109 was originally planned for 9, and 9 was planned along 9W.

bugo


The Ghostbuster

Where was that "US" 109 picture taken? It's obviously an erroneous sign of a State Highway 109 somewhere. It would have been nice if there actually was a US 109 somewhere.

bugo

The US 109 sign picture was taken in Magazine, AR.


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kramie13

Why is there a US 9W but not a 9E?  Personally I think having E-W splits of a route is stupid.  Perhaps US 9W should be renumbered to US 109?

The Ghostbuster

There was a US 9E, but it was decommissioned in 1930, and replaced with mainline US 9. Why 9E was decommissioned but 9W was retained, I haven't got a clue.

vdeane

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 05, 2020, 05:09:08 PM
There was a US 9E, but it was decommissioned in 1930, and replaced with mainline US 9. Why 9E was decommissioned but 9W was retained, I haven't got a clue.
The timing makes me wonder if NY's modern numbering system (which was also adopted in 1930), which uses suffixes to denote child routes, has something to do with it.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

KCRoadFan

Quote from: vdeane on October 05, 2020, 08:48:47 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 05, 2020, 05:09:08 PM
There was a US 9E, but it was decommissioned in 1930, and replaced with mainline US 9. Why 9E was decommissioned but 9W was retained, I haven't got a clue.
The timing makes me wonder if NY's modern numbering system (which was also adopted in 1930), which uses suffixes to denote child routes, has something to do with it.

Which, for me, then begs the question: why not just call it NY 9W? From what I've heard, a lot of the signage marks it as such anyway.

Alps

Quote from: KCRoadFan on October 05, 2020, 10:00:58 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 05, 2020, 08:48:47 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 05, 2020, 05:09:08 PM
There was a US 9E, but it was decommissioned in 1930, and replaced with mainline US 9. Why 9E was decommissioned but 9W was retained, I haven't got a clue.
The timing makes me wonder if NY's modern numbering system (which was also adopted in 1930), which uses suffixes to denote child routes, has something to do with it.

Which, for me, then begs the question: why not just call it NY 9W? From what I've heard, a lot of the signage marks it as such anyway.
Most of the signage does not, and I think NJ would have something to say about that, not to mention the whole west side of the Hudson has a worthy US highway.

sturmde

Quote from: kramie13 on October 05, 2020, 02:50:01 PM
Why is there a US 9W but not a 9E?  Personally I think having E-W splits of a route is stupid.  Perhaps US 9W should be renumbered to US 109?
Well, it's not the only orphan suffix.  There's US 6N.  And the stub of US 25E in KY that extends past 25 to I-75.  And the strange situation with US 70S, US 70, US 70N in TN.

Alps

Quote from: sturmde on October 06, 2020, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: kramie13 on October 05, 2020, 02:50:01 PM
Why is there a US 9W but not a 9E?  Personally I think having E-W splits of a route is stupid.  Perhaps US 9W should be renumbered to US 109?
Well, it's not the only orphan suffix.  There's US 6N.  And the stub of US 25E in KY that extends past 25 to I-75.  And the strange situation with US 70S, US 70, US 70N in TN.
Is that actually 25E, or a 4-digit unsigned state highway?

Mapmikey

Quote from: Alps on October 06, 2020, 06:24:47 PM
Quote from: sturmde on October 06, 2020, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: kramie13 on October 05, 2020, 02:50:01 PM
Why is there a US 9W but not a 9E?  Personally I think having E-W splits of a route is stupid.  Perhaps US 9W should be renumbered to US 109?
Well, it's not the only orphan suffix.  There's US 6N.  And the stub of US 25E in KY that extends past 25 to I-75.  And the strange situation with US 70S, US 70, US 70N in TN.
Is that actually 25E, or a 4-digit unsigned state highway?

Actually US 25E.  Approved by AASHO in 1975.

And for the umpteenth time, in their June 30, 1975 memo to Kentucky telling them it was approved, asked Ky to get with Tennessee and renumber US 25E as 25 and drop US 25W from the system entirely.

Avalanchez71

Tennesseans are quite adjusted to their suffixes. No reason to change signage at the expense of the taxpayer and ask businesses to change their listings.



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